Chinese feel American products are cheap crap too. I definitely disagree with my people since it's not the trust. If you don't like it, just don't buy it. There is no need to attack another countries because you don't like OEM parts.
@@yanghu3592 problem is most of the manufactures are now being processed over seas in China and other countries. That you can blame on America with Capitalism. But I don't like speaking politics. I work for a specific auto manufacture that their products are built over seas. The problem is not about the country but it's about specific standards that are not enforced by quality control. The result ends up with detrimental failed new components, longer diagnostic time, recalls, and expensive replacements that shouldn't be needed. In the auto industry time is money and techs don't want to invest anymore time that is needed when doing g a job. Having to repeat a repair because of a defect in the product is simply frustrating to say the least.
Thanks for the case study. I for one appreciate channels like yours to learn about common or not so common issues and how to diagnose and repair them. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with the masses and keep up the good work.
A good way to condemn the fuel pump driver module is to jumper pins 4 and 8 (ground) and jumper pins 1 and 5 (power). With the key on the fuel pump should run constant.
Thank you man! My transit is not starting correctly and not throwing a code. Dealership tells me nothing is wrong. Found online this may be the problem and here is Rich telling me that I’m not making it up. Love you man!
I wasn't aware that Dorman makes fuel pump driver modules for Ford vehicles. Another junk Dorman part, to go with their junk 6.0L diesel oil coolers, 4.6L intake manifolds..... the list goes on. The million dollar question being why did it end up with a Dorman FPDM in it, in the first place?
@@prevost8686 I generally don't like getting in jobs where Dorman parts are being supplied. I hate doing the same job more than once on the same vehicle.
Had one of those go bad on a tarus that would only work when I tapped on it with my fingers. I wasn’t working as a technician at the time but as a correctional officer. The lady was there with her kids visiting her husband and like 3 hours away from home. I diagnosed it in the parking lot luckily I had my power probe in my truck. She ubered to the dealer to get the part and I installed it when she got back.
I changed this original OEM part on my wife's 2014 Flex when it failed to start about 5 or 6 years ago. I replaced it with a Dorman from the local auto parts store. It has worked fine up until now, where it is having exactly the same symptoms as the car in this video ( starts then stalls). Just got back from the Ford dealer with the Motorcraft part, only $34 vs the Dorman which is now $56 at the auto parts store. Thank you so much for the video.
Never had an issue with a Dorman part, but I've only used a few. I remember shopping a A/C condenser for a 1991 Ford Ranger, and the best price was shockingly from the local dealer for the OEM part. Always shop around!
Thank you for the videos! My father recently sold his Flex.. was 2012 I believe... but with just over 100,000 miles several things were going wrong. He had to have the brakes worked on multiple times... they ceased on us on a 1.5 hour trip one day... Rust, oh yeah rust. Key pad door locks are nice until the pads fail and you had your keys in the car because you were out walking. lol. It was a nice ride, tons of space, but with all the weird problems popping up and Ford's track record as of lately... Glad he got rid of it. Though he bought a Suburu. WHY dad. lol
@@ekop1778 Oh don't get me wrong, Suburu's make some fine cars, and definitely will be a much more solid frame and vehicle than the Dodge. The suburu's do tend to show wear after about 10-15 years, or over 150k though.. and some things will break.. Such is the case with any car. I bought a 2006 Accord with 155k.. and while it drives nice, some plastic stuff has broken on me very quickly and the sunroof leaks, drains aren't clogged. So yeah. Good luck to you sir.
@@ekop1778 Nice deal! I had a brand new Corolla for many years, no fancy nothing, crank windows. I would probably still have it if it wasn't for crazy drivers!!
I had the same issue then I replace the original Ford module with this doorman brand and in less than 2 years it when bad. So it doesn't really matter what brand it is they all goes bad in a couple of years or moths!!!!
I own GM vehicles but I have found that most times OEM is cheaper in price then aftermarket. Anymore on my new vehicles I always just go OEM from oil and filters to brakes and everything in between.
Glad I saw this, going to get a replacement tomorrow, will NOT be a dorman, just hoping this is my trucks issue as I do NOT have the cheddar to throw and a shit ton of parts swapping or a mechanic. Thanks Bidenomics!
Thanks for posting this video. Everything in this video is EXACTLY what happened with my '14 F150. Purchased one from the Ford dealer and it was cheaper than the Dorman( a bit beefier too). Truck runs great. Thank you. I would not have thought that I would have a bad brand new part. Cleaned all my grounds before I did anything, some were pretty bad. I wonder if the bad ground connections could have contributed to the failure of the original module? I really enjoy your posts.
In the past I have bought a lot of dorman parts but recently with my 2013 Ford flex going on my 4th Fuel pump module at the time a purchasing each one Dorman was the only part I could get , most recently 2 days ago I bought the fifth 1 not a Dorman but a ACDelco & it started and Seems to me be running better than normal , start easier has more power , When it comes to this part spend the extra money I never had the option before but I definitely was not gonna put a fifth doorman module in it
Although not a failure from using it (yet), Dorman makes a universal, no programming required Fuel Pump Flow Control Module for 07-13 GM pickups/SUVs. We had a customer bring in a 2010 5.3 and he installed a Dorman FPFCM in it since his failed. GM's requires the dealer to program it as its a new one is blank. He put it in and truck wouldn't run...so he dropped it off to have it programmed. All it needed was the one or two 20amp fuses that always blow when the OE FPFCM fails (aka corrosion on the inside from water intrusion). I spotted the Dorman unit under the truck to the tech, he checked the fuses (they were blown), put two in it and boom fired right up. So customer never even checked to see if he had a good fuse, and then failed to even realize that the Dorman FPFCM was "ready to use" out of the box.
nice job. i, like most would be completely lost. ya seemed to have known before you even checked to verify the problem. sure miss that extra cam lobe on the front of the chevy 350 camshaft. that just kept the fuel pumping, all by itself.
I've only used a handful of Dorman parts that weren't complete crap. I just swapped out a Dorman cam sensor on a Jeep Wrangler that kept setting intermittent circuit codes. Put a Mopar part on, problem solved
I get that you don’t like Dorman because they’re not OEM and made in Chee-na, but remember that at some point someone had to replace the OEM module because that original part broke too. It could just be that something else is causing the module(s) to break after some time. Perhaps look into what can be causing those modules to go bad instead of assuming it’s because it’s a Dorman. I’m not defending Dorman, just trying to get to a possible root cause in case it happens a third time.
People can take away whatever they want from this video but don't shoot the messenger draw up your own opinion and don't attack me or critique me on what my opinion is just tell me what yours is but you don't need to tell me what you think about mine
I had asked you a question on a previous video about my 2017 f150 3.5 eco. It was slow to start after it had been warmed up and then turned off for 30 minutes to a few hours. Sometimes it would not even start on the first start cycle, but would start immediately on the second cycle. Always started fine while cold. Seems i had one or more bad port injectors that were leaking down while the engine was hot. I don't have a way to test them so i replaced all 6. Problem solved. Seems like a rare problem and just figured i would share in case you or anybody else runs into this problem. My tuner might have killed them by increasing the duty cycle too much, but who really knows.
Any ideas to solve the problem with poor quality parts ? I used to save OE boxes to show customers that their domestic cars had replacement parts from China, Thailand, Mexico and Vietnam. Same went for Toyota and Volvo. I don’t know how to stem the flow of piss poor parts. I’m tired of doing quality control for all these brands. I think you even mentioned an OE Ford alternator that you finally fixed with an AZ brand.
I'd love to put OEM parts in everything I fix. Would make my job a hell of a lot easier. Problem is I don't get to make that call. I've had rotors so bad I've had to cut them out of the box. Shop doesn't care.
Think im running across this now...came in with this symptoms, original ford module, a replace it woth a dorman with no change. Jump the connector and it runs... Think its worth a go?
Man, I've always said it and I'll keep saying it. "I'd rather buy a used OEM part than a new ChiComm part." Things I've had bad experience with aftermarket new vs used. that I've then replaced with used OEM and never had problems with again, and sold the car long afterward and still with no issue. especially when you're tight on a budget and can't buy new original parts. For example: Fuel pump, starter motor, alternator and or a/c compressor. just to name a few.
After putting cheap parts store alternators in the police department cars and everyone coming back with battery light on we told the depart to stop being cheap and get oem
This is the problem we are now facing more and more. Cheap aftermarket junk that don't work from the get go. I use fo think dorman was decent at one point. I use to replace those plastic intakes on ford crown vics and town cars with their products. But now just about everything I see that comes from them I try to stay away from. Earlier this year I had a customer bring his own cheap china made no name post o2 sensor. I shouldn't of installed it but I did. Right off the bat, error code for 02 sensor. To make long story short I end up buying a Denso 02 sensor and it fixed the problem. I think I need to make a video about this...took slot of time to troubleshoot the issue.
Well that was an interesting one. I just don't understand how these dorman parts are sold and why people keep buying them especially if a large percentage of them don't seem to work AT ALL
I hate using Dorman also but what does it say about OEM part lasting only 8 years or less. Any idea how long that Dorman module has been on there ? I’m driving a 99 Accord I bought new. 227k on it with very few replacement parts on it. A lot has changed in parts quality in last 22 years. And it has not been for the better. I do remember when Dorman as well as a lot of aftermarket brands would “meet or exceed” original equipment. Substandard parts like these can cause a lot of doubt in your diagnostic capabilities. Keep up your great “No holds barred” videos. The truth hurts a lot with the parts situation these days. Del
I have been troubleshooting a no start on my 2015 F150. Code P025A. At FPCM pin 1 has 12v. Pin 5 has zero volts. I bought a new FPCM from Ford dealer and installed same symptoms. I back probed pin 5 on connector and I unplugged connector check pin on side that plugs into module pin is good not pushed back or loose. I have continuity from pin / module side to back side where I'm backprobed, I checked that to verify that my meter lead is making connection. For ground I ran a wire to battery neg cable and even tried at pin 4. Still not measuring any voltage with new FPCM. I thought maybe the new FPCM was bad. I'm measuring at pin 5 while someone is starting the truck for me. I unplugged to connector and check continuity between pin 5 and 8 and it is .5 ohms. At this point I'm not sure if I have a bad fuel pump loading it down and the new FPCM is bad. My next thought was to drop the gas tank and unplug power connector from the fuel pump and measure the voltage at the fuel pump. I wanted to see what your thoughts on this were. My local Ford dealer told me it will be 30 - 40 days before they can get to it so if I end up taking it to shop I will have to try and fine another shop that can get to it sooner.
@@FordBossMe thanks for the information I will check it this afternoon. I checked the 12v pin 1 to grnd with key on and had it. I did not check it will starting I only checked pin 5 will starting. If my 12v supply is good with load (headligh) then I will drop the tank next. If supply is not good I will work my way back thru fuse, relay back to battery. I watched your other videos about the fuse relocation, my 2015 has the fuse panel on passenger side behind battery has the bigger style fuse. You gave me good information to help me check my wiring. Pin 3 with key on has 11v the diagram shows that going to pcm.
@@FordBossMe I did the load test like you said with the headlight and it lights the headlight. I also measured the voltage at the headlight with key on and it was 12v. I unplugged the connector from the fuel pump and measured while starting and no voltage. I unplugged fuel driver control module and checked wires between it and fuel pump and I have continuity. It appears the new fuel driver control module is bad / no output voltage on pin 5 to fuel pump. Wiring diagram shows pin 3 & 7 on fuel driver control module going to pcm. Should Measure anything there when starting? I ordered the Ancel PB 100 that you did a video on to power pin like you did. Your videos are great, you are good at explaining and sharing your knowledge
Yep problem stated on the front, Made In China. Broke my hear when I received new flowmaster super 10s Wed, just to open the box and see made in China. I sent them back
I believe in a 2012 Fusion it is in the trunk on the left side behind the trunk material it's hidden back behind it on the side left rear in the trunk pull the material away from the left side of the car and the trunk and it's back there
I refuse to use Dorman parts. Period. But to play devil's advocate, we may not know the whole story. May have been out of town and the Dorman part may have been the only one available to the mechanic at the time to get that customer on the road. I've run into situations like this a time or two...but I DO EXPLAIN it may be a one-way part home.
I only use dorman when no other options exist. Dorman almost always requires some modification too, and then you pray it lasts long enough to justify the hassle......
@@FordBossMe thanks went to autozone, no fault codes, alternator running perfect abd battery is good. Think I'm going to order an oem and hope it's simply throughing a bad code.
@@FordBossMe I was referring to the fuse box causing it, I'm going through something similar my radiator fans won't shut off overheating the relays, and then I get the code that says lost communication with fuel pump module, I was just wondering if it was because those fans were stuck open
Hi Rich. I have a 2013 Ford Flex SE and it has no belly pan installed on it (part DA8Z-9910494-B). Do you feel I need to install one? NOTE: I live in Arizona. Thanks for all you do for everyone 🇺🇸
I mean if it's just a protective cover no I don't think you need to install it but it is what it is if you want extra protection it will help retain heat more so that is kind of a downfall
I love watching your videos. I’m also a Ford tech myself but I have an issue with my 07 Ford Explorer 4.0 with a crank no start issue. Replaced crank sensor and fuel pump, fuel rail pressure sensor. Sucky part is when it’s at work it won’t give me the problem so I can’t hook up the IDS. Would this be also a problem with this explorer? All parts replaced is motorcraft parts.
Let me do some digging around make sure you remind me to check into this or reach back out to me and remind me you're waiting please there's so many people that ask me questions I'm going to ask one of the older guys at the shop that actually owns one of these
@@FordBossMe thank you Boss!! Even the guys tell me that’s it’s my PCM but it’s on back order and I don’t have PCM codes. I’ll probably pop the fuel line open when it cranks and no start and see if I have fuel coming out. Probably it’s a bad batch of motorcraft fuel pumps
MAY DAY MAY DAY, MAN DOWN 2014 Focus SE 2.0 code P00c6. Don't know if it's FPDM or low pressure fuel pump. Disconnected high pressure fuel pump and barely any gas came from the line. Can you help troubleshoot?
Well it's probably time for the fuel pump driver module to be replaced anyway and it's under the back seat on the passenger side there's two black plastic tabs underneath the edge of it that slide forward and release the tension on the front of the seat change it anyway it sold it needs to be changed and you have nothing to lose by doing it Chances are if you are getting some fuel it's probably the fuel pump but I would start with the fuel pump driver module anyway anytime I do a fuel pump I do the fuel pump driver module as well
@@FordBossMe Thank you for the response and the insight. Since itstill hasn't started after changing the FPDM I'm left to drop the tank and install new fuel pump. 🤞🤞🤞 That it works. I was just rereading your comment. I'm not getting any fuel at the high pressure fuel pump. Is it likely that is the low pressure pump that isn't working or could it possibly be something else?
Check your grounds everywhere on the vehicle, check your connections at the battery make sure nothing's touching or corroded Are you able to obtain any codes from the vehicle at all?
@@FordBossMe I found it, white wire in harness near alternator power was cut and arking to motor. The codes were P0020 p0010 p0034 p00c1 p0141 p0135 p0155 p0161 p0245 p0645 p0443 p053a p145e Thanks man!
I saw some comments made by Dorman Corporate on Videos. They made a joke, they said you should be lucky we don't make tires :lol:. They will send you free replacements
Gotta big question. I'm not a fire guy but I found a 08 Taurus X SEL AWD with 190k miles. He wants $1600. Good car or should I pass. It looks amazing. Thanks
You don't really see them anymore I will check out the trans real good and make sure there's no wheel bearing sounds growling coming from the wheel bearings
@@johnpeters9793 I've done both ways. I thought of doing it myself. The only thing is when the dealer or someone else does it they can see more stuff than me laying on the ground. Also I live in an apartment but that doesn't matter cause other people do stuff.
@@johnpeters9793 that's interesting, Never thought to use waterless car wash under the vehicle. Your right about Ford Boss checking the other pins. Yeah I always do treat my car with extra care and detail.
Thanx for reply retired gm tech my sister has 2010 e3500 v8 gas went through this two years ago pump first then realized module bad now dead no fuel put new module in nothing getting it towed to my shop probably fuel pump just wondering if there was underlying issue I will continue on
Things have been improving too. I remember when Made In Japan meant it was crap. Now Japan makes some of the best in the world. I expect China will get there too. Then prices will rise and cheap stuff will be made somewhere else.
I've been sending parts back that are made in China, no thanks, I'll spend a little more for made in USA, if that's not available then Japan or Taiwan.
Note to self: Spend the extra money to avoid cheap China crap!
The surprising thing is the doorman was $53 and the OEM Ford one was $42
@@FordBossMe now that's a slap in the face! That usually doesnt happen!
Why is Dorman so awful? Some of their exclusive parts are really good ideas, but the parts are junk.
Chinese feel American products are cheap crap too. I definitely disagree with my people since it's not the trust. If you don't like it, just don't buy it. There is no need to attack another countries because you don't like OEM parts.
@@yanghu3592 problem is most of the manufactures are now being processed over seas in China and other countries. That you can blame on America with Capitalism. But I don't like speaking politics. I work for a specific auto manufacture that their products are built over seas. The problem is not about the country but it's about specific standards that are not enforced by quality control. The result ends up with detrimental failed new components, longer diagnostic time, recalls, and expensive replacements that shouldn't be needed. In the auto industry time is money and techs don't want to invest anymore time that is needed when doing g a job. Having to repeat a repair because of a defect in the product is simply frustrating to say the least.
And I thought going to a 4yr university to become a RN was rough on the brain cells. My hats off to you Tech folks
Thanks for the case study.
I for one appreciate channels like yours to learn about common or not so common issues and how to diagnose and repair them.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with the masses and keep up the good work.
Even just working on my own vehicles, I've been burned by Dorman a few times. Their slogan should be "Almost as good as the real thing"
The cheap, not-so-cheap ‘wallet with wings’ strikes again… Another OEM part is lower priced than aftermarket!!
A good way to condemn the fuel pump driver module is to jumper pins 4 and 8 (ground) and jumper pins 1 and 5 (power). With the key on the fuel pump should run constant.
Thank you man! My transit is not starting correctly and not throwing a code. Dealership tells me nothing is wrong. Found online this may be the problem and here is Rich telling me that I’m not making it up. Love you man!
I wasn't aware that Dorman makes fuel pump driver modules for Ford vehicles. Another junk Dorman part, to go with their junk 6.0L diesel oil coolers, 4.6L intake manifolds..... the list goes on. The million dollar question being why did it end up with a Dorman FPDM in it, in the first place?
Dorman also supplies a lot of stuff for NAPA and Advance Auto with their private label on the parts. NAPA Solutions is Dorman garbage.
@@prevost8686 I generally don't like getting in jobs where Dorman parts are being supplied. I hate doing the same job more than once on the same vehicle.
Had one of those go bad on a tarus that would only work when I tapped on it with my fingers. I wasn’t working as a technician at the time but as a correctional officer. The lady was there with her kids visiting her husband and like 3 hours away from home. I diagnosed it in the parking lot luckily I had my power probe in my truck. She ubered to the dealer to get the part and I installed it when she got back.
Very nice indeed great work
Sometimes doorman is the only option, but if there is something higher quality I always recommend that
I changed this original OEM part on my wife's 2014 Flex when it failed to start about 5 or 6 years ago. I replaced it with a Dorman from the local auto parts store. It has worked fine up until now, where it is having exactly the same symptoms as the car in this video ( starts then stalls). Just got back from the Ford dealer with the Motorcraft part, only $34 vs the Dorman which is now $56 at the auto parts store. Thank you so much for the video.
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Never had an issue with a Dorman part, but I've only used a few. I remember shopping a A/C condenser for a 1991 Ford Ranger, and the best price was shockingly from the local dealer for the OEM part. Always shop around!
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i've been searching for videos such as this issue,
thanks a lot sir,
now i got another clue as to where to look
Thanks for video helped diagnose my flex. The most important part is shooting the pins.
That is the only crank no start concern with the flex. Been doing these for years.
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Thank you Hector Homie for that one, you nailed it!
Dorman = we accept all the parts that failed all the other suppliers tests and have no chance of passing beyond it “looks” ok
Thank you for the videos! My father recently sold his Flex.. was 2012 I believe... but with just over 100,000 miles several things were going wrong. He had to have the brakes worked on multiple times... they ceased on us on a 1.5 hour trip one day... Rust, oh yeah rust. Key pad door locks are nice until the pads fail and you had your keys in the car because you were out walking. lol. It was a nice ride, tons of space, but with all the weird problems popping up and Ford's track record as of lately... Glad he got rid of it. Though he bought a Suburu. WHY dad. lol
@@ekop1778 Oh don't get me wrong, Suburu's make some fine cars, and definitely will be a much more solid frame and vehicle than the Dodge. The suburu's do tend to show wear after about 10-15 years, or over 150k though.. and some things will break.. Such is the case with any car. I bought a 2006 Accord with 155k.. and while it drives nice, some plastic stuff has broken on me very quickly and the sunroof leaks, drains aren't clogged. So yeah. Good luck to you sir.
@@ekop1778 Nice deal! I had a brand new Corolla for many years, no fancy nothing, crank windows. I would probably still have it if it wasn't for crazy drivers!!
I had the same issue then I replace the original Ford module with this doorman brand and in less than 2 years it when bad. So it doesn't really matter what brand it is they all goes bad in a couple of years or moths!!!!
I own GM vehicles but I have found that most times OEM is cheaper in price then aftermarket. Anymore on my new vehicles I always just go OEM from oil and filters to brakes and everything in between.
Glad I saw this, going to get a replacement tomorrow, will NOT be a dorman, just hoping this is my trucks issue as I do NOT have the cheddar to throw and a shit ton of parts swapping or a mechanic. Thanks Bidenomics!
Xcellent video!!! ...had same problem with wifes 2014 Flex...no start ...but replaced original module with new Ford parts only ...
Thanks for posting this video.
Everything in this video is EXACTLY what happened with my '14 F150.
Purchased one from the Ford dealer and it was cheaper than the Dorman( a bit beefier too).
Truck runs great. Thank you. I would not have thought that I would have a bad brand new part.
Cleaned all my grounds before I did anything, some were pretty bad. I wonder if the bad ground connections could have contributed to the failure of the original module?
I really enjoy your posts.
Yes bad grounds can contribute to modules going out
In the past I have bought a lot of dorman parts but recently with my 2013 Ford flex going on my 4th Fuel pump module at the time a purchasing each one Dorman was the only part I could get , most recently 2 days ago I bought the fifth 1 not a Dorman but a ACDelco & it started and Seems to me be running better than normal , start easier has more power , When it comes to this part spend the extra money I never had the option before but I definitely was not gonna put a fifth doorman module in it
Thank you boss man. i wish you made this video before I spent a shit load of money… but thanks. My flex aint actin up no more.
Although not a failure from using it (yet), Dorman makes a universal, no programming required Fuel Pump Flow Control Module for 07-13 GM pickups/SUVs. We had a customer bring in a 2010 5.3 and he installed a Dorman FPFCM in it since his failed. GM's requires the dealer to program it as its a new one is blank.
He put it in and truck wouldn't run...so he dropped it off to have it programmed. All it needed was the one or two 20amp fuses that always blow when the OE FPFCM fails (aka corrosion on the inside from water intrusion). I spotted the Dorman unit under the truck to the tech, he checked the fuses (they were blown), put two in it and boom fired right up. So customer never even checked to see if he had a good fuse, and then failed to even realize that the Dorman FPFCM was "ready to use" out of the box.
I saw that too often back in the day, people think they are saving money using aftermarket parts and end up spending 2-3 times what they should have.
nice job. i, like most would be completely lost. ya seemed to have known before you even checked to verify the problem. sure miss that extra cam lobe on the front of the chevy 350 camshaft. that just kept the fuel pumping, all by itself.
Almost like he diagnosed it before making the video. Hmmm
I've only used a handful of Dorman parts that weren't complete crap. I just swapped out a Dorman cam sensor on a Jeep Wrangler that kept setting intermittent circuit codes. Put a Mopar part on, problem solved
I get that you don’t like Dorman because they’re not OEM and made in Chee-na, but remember that at some point someone had to replace the OEM module because that original part broke too. It could just be that something else is causing the module(s) to break after some time. Perhaps look into what can be causing those modules to go bad instead of assuming it’s because it’s a Dorman. I’m not defending Dorman, just trying to get to a possible root cause in case it happens a third time.
People can take away whatever they want from this video but don't shoot the messenger draw up your own opinion and don't attack me or critique me on what my opinion is just tell me what yours is but you don't need to tell me what you think about mine
@@FordBossMe Typical technician. Hate anything not OEM, replace parts only and not get to the possible root cause of a symptom.
@@FordBossMe Did you even read what he said?
I had asked you a question on a previous video about my 2017 f150 3.5 eco. It was slow to start after it had been warmed up and then turned off for 30 minutes to a few hours. Sometimes it would not even start on the first start cycle, but would start immediately on the second cycle. Always started fine while cold. Seems i had one or more bad port injectors that were leaking down while the engine was hot. I don't have a way to test them so i replaced all 6. Problem solved. Seems like a rare problem and just figured i would share in case you or anybody else runs into this problem. My tuner might have killed them by increasing the duty cycle too much, but who really knows.
Thanks alot. The new module fixed me up.
At our shop at work they put one in a Ford truck,,, didn’t make it across the parking lot,,, so I made sure a oem got installed!
Any ideas to solve the problem with poor quality parts ? I used to save OE boxes to show customers that their domestic cars had replacement parts from China, Thailand, Mexico and Vietnam. Same went for Toyota and Volvo.
I don’t know how to stem the flow of piss poor parts. I’m tired of doing quality control for all these brands. I think you even mentioned an OE Ford alternator that you finally fixed with an AZ brand.
What's funny is that on several occasions, the OEM part is actually cheaper than aftermarket. For example, FL820S is cheaper than the Fram.
I'd love to put OEM parts in everything I fix. Would make my job a hell of a lot easier. Problem is I don't get to make that call. I've had rotors so bad I've had to cut them out of the box. Shop doesn't care.
Nice information, I never have a problem with motocraft electric parts, they have good quality.. blessings.
I remember when Dorman was decent. Last few time I bought Dorman it has been junk.
Ford flex It's one of the best of ford products
Not sure if you ever checked out south main auto on here, but he does not like dorman either. Even non electronic dorman parts suck!
I really don't care for anything Dorman honestly I'm just like him on that
Yeah their door handles break off in your hand after about a week.
@@aberobinson1 a week wow you got lucky.. unfortunately you went past the warranty
Dorman LOL Ask South Main Auto about that brand !
Wow ..... Great fix Homie!!!!!
No Dorman parts allowed on my vehicles (Thanks, Eric O. !!)
Think im running across this now...came in with this symptoms, original ford module, a replace it woth a dorman with no change. Jump the connector and it runs... Think its worth a go?
Man, I've always said it and I'll keep saying it. "I'd rather buy a used OEM part than a new ChiComm part."
Things I've had bad experience with aftermarket new vs used. that I've then replaced with used OEM and never had problems with again, and sold the car long afterward and still with no issue. especially when you're tight on a budget and can't buy new original parts.
For example: Fuel pump, starter motor, alternator and or a/c compressor. just to name a few.
I only use ford only parts. My sister got stranded because of a Dorman part.
This is why I buy all OEM electrical parts from dealer even though a lot of those are made in China, Japan, or Mexico!
I have a P025A on a 2019 fiesta but I can't locate the fuel pump driver module. Any ideas? thanks
I think you just solved my issue🎉
Cheap parts = Thumb a ride
After putting cheap parts store alternators in the police department cars and everyone coming back with battery light on we told the depart to stop being cheap and get oem
This is the problem we are now facing more and more. Cheap aftermarket junk that don't work from the get go.
I use fo think dorman was decent at one point. I use to replace those plastic intakes on ford crown vics and town cars with their products. But now just about everything I see that comes from them I try to stay away from.
Earlier this year I had a customer bring his own cheap china made no name post o2 sensor. I shouldn't of installed it but I did. Right off the bat, error code for 02 sensor. To make long story short I end up buying a Denso 02 sensor and it fixed the problem.
I think I need to make a video about this...took slot of time to troubleshoot the issue.
Where is this module located on a 2009 Escape XLT?
Nice work Rich..
Tyvm
Well that was an interesting one. I just don't understand how these dorman parts are sold and why people keep buying them especially if a large percentage of them don't seem to work AT ALL
Just crazy how that works
Great stuff!
That dorman bug strikes again.
nice info great content
I hate using Dorman also but what does it say about OEM part lasting only 8 years or less. Any idea how long that Dorman module has been on there ?
I’m driving a 99 Accord I bought new. 227k on it with very few replacement parts on it.
A lot has changed in parts quality in last 22 years. And it has not been for the better. I do remember when Dorman as well as a lot of aftermarket brands would “meet or exceed” original equipment.
Substandard parts like these can cause a lot of doubt in your diagnostic capabilities.
Keep up your great “No holds barred” videos. The truth hurts a lot with the parts situation these days.
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I have been troubleshooting a no start on my 2015 F150. Code P025A. At FPCM pin 1 has 12v. Pin 5 has zero volts. I bought a new FPCM from Ford dealer and installed same symptoms. I back probed pin 5 on connector and I unplugged connector check pin on side that plugs into module pin is good not pushed back or loose. I have continuity from pin / module side to back side where I'm backprobed, I checked that to verify that my meter lead is making connection. For ground I ran a wire to battery neg cable and even tried at pin 4. Still not measuring any voltage with new FPCM. I thought maybe the new FPCM was bad. I'm measuring at pin 5 while someone is starting the truck for me. I unplugged to connector and check continuity between pin 5 and 8 and it is .5 ohms. At this point I'm not sure if I have a bad fuel pump loading it down and the new FPCM is bad. My next thought was to drop the gas tank and unplug power connector from the fuel pump and measure the voltage at the fuel pump. I wanted to see what your thoughts on this were. My local Ford dealer told me it will be 30 - 40 days before they can get to it so if I end up taking it to shop I will have to try and fine another shop that can get to it sooner.
Load test your supply line to the fuel pump driver module, make sure it will light a headlight with key on
Load test the ground and power ckt to complete the ckt for this light
@@FordBossMe thanks for the information I will check it this afternoon. I checked the 12v pin 1 to grnd with key on and had it. I did not check it will starting I only checked pin 5 will starting. If my 12v supply is good with load (headligh) then I will drop the tank next. If supply is not good I will work my way back thru fuse, relay back to battery. I watched your other videos about the fuse relocation, my 2015 has the fuse panel on passenger side behind battery has the bigger style fuse. You gave me good information to help me check my wiring. Pin 3 with key on has 11v the diagram shows that going to pcm.
@@FordBossMe I did the load test like you said with the headlight and it lights the headlight. I also measured the voltage at the headlight with key on and it was 12v. I unplugged the connector from the fuel pump and measured while starting and no voltage. I unplugged fuel driver control module and checked wires between it and fuel pump and I have continuity. It appears the new fuel driver control module is bad / no output voltage on pin 5 to fuel pump. Wiring diagram shows pin 3 & 7 on fuel driver control module going to pcm. Should Measure anything there when starting? I ordered the Ancel PB 100 that you did a video on to power pin like you did. Your videos are great, you are good at explaining and sharing your knowledge
Yep problem stated on the front, Made In China. Broke my hear when I received new flowmaster super 10s Wed, just to open the box and see made in China. I sent them back
The Ford Fuel Pump module likely made in CHINA as well. Same issue with taurus and explorer.
At Ford, quality is Job 1.
Where was that part made again? I didn’t catch what you said. Haha
Been bitten by Dorman crap before. Never again.
where is the fuel control module in a 2012 Ford Fusion SEl 3.0 flex
I believe in a 2012 Fusion it is in the trunk on the left side behind the trunk material it's hidden back behind it on the side left rear in the trunk pull the material away from the left side of the car and the trunk and it's back there
I refuse to use Dorman parts. Period. But to play devil's advocate, we may not know the whole story. May have been out of town and the Dorman part may have been the only one available to the mechanic at the time to get that customer on the road. I've run into situations like this a time or two...but I DO EXPLAIN it may be a one-way part home.
I only use dorman when no other options exist. Dorman almost always requires some modification too, and then you pray it lasts long enough to justify the hassle......
The only good thing Dorman produces are singles piece lugnuts.
Replaced mine started right up but now my battery light is on. Code reader shows no codes
You're going to have to get the charging system diagnosed
@@FordBossMe thanks went to autozone, no fault codes, alternator running perfect abd battery is good. Think I'm going to order an oem and hope it's simply throughing a bad code.
Bet they bought it at NAPA.
Dorman is getting bad dude. Like Leroy Brown bad.
What caused the pin 1 the fuse box to short it out, I'm going through that same kind of issue with my 13 fusion 1.6
It was a cheap part that went out on its own
Nothing caused it, it's a junk part from New
@@FordBossMe I was referring to the fuse box causing it, I'm going through something similar my radiator fans won't shut off overheating the relays, and then I get the code that says lost communication with fuel pump module, I was just wondering if it was because those fans were stuck open
I always try to buy OE or OEM...
Doorman sucks... Great video
Hi Rich. I have a 2013 Ford Flex SE and it has no belly pan installed on it (part DA8Z-9910494-B). Do you feel I need to install one? NOTE: I live in Arizona. Thanks for all you do for everyone 🇺🇸
I mean if it's just a protective cover no I don't think you need to install it but it is what it is if you want extra protection it will help retain heat more so that is kind of a downfall
I love watching your videos. I’m also a Ford tech myself but I have an issue with my 07 Ford Explorer 4.0 with a crank no start issue. Replaced crank sensor and fuel pump, fuel rail pressure sensor. Sucky part is when it’s at work it won’t give me the problem so I can’t hook up the IDS. Would this be also a problem with this explorer? All parts replaced is motorcraft parts.
Let me do some digging around make sure you remind me to check into this or reach back out to me and remind me you're waiting please there's so many people that ask me questions I'm going to ask one of the older guys at the shop that actually owns one of these
My first thought is a connection problem somewhere or the computer itself but let me do some more digging
@@FordBossMe thank you Boss!! Even the guys tell me that’s it’s my PCM but it’s on back order and I don’t have PCM codes. I’ll probably pop the fuel line open when it cranks and no start and see if I have fuel coming out. Probably it’s a bad batch of motorcraft fuel pumps
@@FordBossMe I’m just wondering if I do get a used fuel pump module is it plug and play or do I need to use the IDS to program it?
Modules and lots of stuff , go Ford only.
Was the dorman part replaced in video already a replacement?
Yes
They said they only had the part on the vehicle for one year before it went out again
I always pass on dorman parts my rule is dorman and electrical don't mix🤣.
MAY DAY MAY DAY, MAN DOWN
2014 Focus SE 2.0
code P00c6. Don't know if it's FPDM or low pressure fuel pump. Disconnected high pressure fuel pump and barely any gas came from the line.
Can you help troubleshoot?
Well it's probably time for the fuel pump driver module to be replaced anyway and it's under the back seat on the passenger side there's two black plastic tabs underneath the edge of it that slide forward and release the tension on the front of the seat change it anyway it sold it needs to be changed and you have nothing to lose by doing it
Chances are if you are getting some fuel it's probably the fuel pump but I would start with the fuel pump driver module anyway anytime I do a fuel pump I do the fuel pump driver module as well
@@FordBossMe Thank you for the response and the insight. Since itstill hasn't started after changing the FPDM I'm left to drop the tank and install new fuel pump. 🤞🤞🤞 That it works.
I was just rereading your comment. I'm not getting any fuel at the high pressure fuel pump. Is it likely that is the low pressure pump that isn't working or could it possibly be something else?
I replaced this part and it still won’t start
Help 2010 taurus SHO pcm fuse blowing ever seen that and know of a consistent cause?
Check your grounds everywhere on the vehicle, check your connections at the battery make sure nothing's touching or corroded
Are you able to obtain any codes from the vehicle at all?
@@FordBossMe I found it, white wire in harness near alternator power was cut and arking to motor.
The codes were P0020 p0010 p0034 p00c1 p0141 p0135 p0155 p0161 p0245 p0645 p0443 p053a p145e
Thanks man!
I’m from🇳🇿 even I no about dorman quality
Dorman strikes again
Did that dorman unit even have the aluminum heat sink like a Ford unit?
No
I am thinking of buying a used Ford Edge is there a best year or problems to watch out for ? Thanks FBM
The newest one you can find with a good maintenance where all the problems have been worked out within your price range
Use OEM especially if it's a pain in the ass job. Lol. My wife's 09 Impala is great example of that!😆
A pain in the ass job and a Chevy impala three words come to mind. Blend door actuator. If you know what I mean I feel your pain lol
How long was the Dorman in the vehicle
One year
Why they go replace the durable Ford OEM with cheapie Dorman in the first place
I take it your dealership had the module in stock? If so, can I assume the module is a common problem?
Yes
@ 4:29 stain on back seat. Biohazard
Does that module have to be programmed?
No
Thanks
Yeah not something to replace with a Dorman part.
I saw some comments made by Dorman Corporate on Videos. They made a joke, they said you should be lucky we don't make tires :lol:. They will send you free replacements
Gotta big question. I'm not a fire guy but I found a 08 Taurus X SEL AWD with 190k miles. He wants $1600. Good car or should I pass. It looks amazing. Thanks
Take it
@@wst8340 anything to watch out for with the trans?
You don't really see them anymore I will check out the trans real good and make sure there's no wheel bearing sounds growling coming from the wheel bearings
Yeah take it out and drive it get it hot make sure it's not slipping or revving up in gear make sure nothing's leaking around the transmission
@@FordBossMe thanks man, really appreciate it. I'm 48 and this might be the second Ford I've ever owned. Really like what your doing, keep it up!
Question, when the Ford dealership does an oil change do they use bottles or is it bulk?
Bulk unless requested
@@FordBossMe Thank you
@@johnpeters9793 I prefer bottles, more accurate measuring In my personal opinion
@@johnpeters9793 I've done both ways. I thought of doing it myself. The only thing is when the dealer or someone else does it they can see more stuff than me laying on the ground. Also I live in an apartment but that doesn't matter cause other people do stuff.
@@johnpeters9793 that's interesting, Never thought to use waterless car wash under the vehicle. Your right about Ford Boss checking the other pins. Yeah I always do treat my car with extra care and detail.
I agree dorman is as bad as borgwarner my question is why did original module die si dorman was put in
I'm in the original module was old you can't expect a driver module to last the entirety of the vehicle forever
Thanx for reply retired gm tech my sister has 2010 e3500 v8 gas went through this two years ago pump first then realized module bad now dead no fuel put new module in nothing getting it towed to my shop probably fuel pump just wondering if there was underlying issue I will continue on
Plot twist: Both parts are made by the same supplier! Jk
China makes good stuff, too, like iphones. We just want cheap stuff and not OEM, which is probably still made in China.
Things have been improving too.
I remember when Made In Japan meant it was crap. Now Japan makes some of the best in the world. I expect China will get there too. Then prices will rise and cheap stuff will be made somewhere else.
@@TheBandit7613 no China will never change they corner the market on cheap junkie crap
The start and Die feature is real lame. Is there better quality product other than the Dorman?
For what?
@@FordBossMe for the fuel pump relay, I just put in another Dorman today :/
I've been sending parts back that are made in China, no thanks, I'll spend a little more for made in USA, if that's not available then Japan or Taiwan.