I live in Italy 1/2 way down the Adriatic Coast, for days in advance local and national authorities had been giving out weather warnings, all weather apps were forecasting storms, heck after months of extreme heat and drought most people could not wait to get some rain, so although "tornado" are difficult to forecast THE BAD WEATHER DID NOT COME OUT OF THE BLUE!!!
💯 Some ppl act like they were totally caught off guard w/this. IMO, the crew was totally unprepped ahead of time, to help assure safety for all. Then, only thought of themselves, when it hit the fan, so to speak...
The problem here is that the storm wasn’t even really a storm, it was a squall that in it’s my a really severe weather cell and passed through quickly. The problem was almost certainly a water spout that hit the boat. The problem with waterspouts is that they can appear out of nowhere and disappear just as quickly. I’ve been on a boat in the med in Sep on mild but somewhat overcast day having lunch, when a water spout just arose about 400m from the boat. you’ve never seen 8 people move so fast to gun the engines and move. In under 5 minutes it had vanished completely.
ironically the local Sicilian TVs interviewed the fishermen of Porticello and EVERYONE knew about the weather alert. (I live in sicily) the captain would still take some precautionary measures
There you go , a reasonable question answer? Does anybody know or notice how unpredictable the weather. Even where i lived , they give out almost everyday , weather report - its usually extreme or a nice day out .
Some of these accident occure when those crews would like to impress the owner showing them they have skills to handle any situation especially you have a "unsinkable " ship...
What should make news is that BOTH partners in that fraud case that were acquitted died in the same week in “accidents” in different countries literally 1-2 days apart… now that sure as heck is a major coincidence if there ever was one!
Italian captains seem to be famed for bad captains whether its weather conditions or hitting rocks and being the first of the boat. Culpable manslaughter charges against the captain is that set of the nautical law when they save their self early before the passengers. I would never go on an Italian leisure cruise simply because they are in the news too much for abandoning ships too early before facilitating the rescue of the passengers. It’s every man for himself rule with them far too often. Sorry but facts and reports speak for themselves.
9/10 crew including the Captain and First Officer survive. 6/12 passengers survive, 6 drown including the owners' husband and his daughter. Not a good look. Best explained under oath. So were the crew at muster ready to abandon ship while the passengers were asleep? Let's not forget that no one would care if this was a 3rd world fishing boat.
In the dark it would be difficcul if not fatal to try to reenter the boat to wakeup passengers. The mistake was made earlier when not all doors were closed to seal the critical compartments. Also the kneel should have been down as a nornal docking proceedure,
Maybe because the crew work on the deck or in in cabins near the deck and all are sober and in good shape. While owners stay relaxed in the luxury cabins deeper in the boat. When the boat flipped, who was closer to exit survived.
So it seems the Yacht sunk stern (rear ) first then tipped sideways . The crew sleeping quarters are at the Bow (front) so as well as better knowledge of escape hatches, the sleeping crew would have had more time to escape as the bow was out of water when it started to sink stern first
well all that training and all those drills didn’t do much to help the chef, he’s stone cold dead There is no 30 minute or two hour safety briefing that is going to do anything to help those people caught below deck in a capsized boat with thousands of tons of water flooding in. To believe otherwise either demonstrates a total failure to understand the circumstances they faced or a remarkably low IQ.
One thing stands out and should be acknowledged: the expertise, human efforts, bravery and technical assets dedicated to the rescue efforts by the Italian Authorities should be commended. Very professional and they ‘pulled out all the stops’, even the local population were sympathetic and concerned.
yes on every big event story played out we must always praise everyone who isnt dead and deem them heros. maybe get a little hero story for one of the deceased. it is the least we can do.
When a boat heals 90 degrees as quick as it did, anyone on deck would’ve been ejected or washed into the sea. Anyone inside the vessel would’ve been injured, knocked out, wind knocked out of them, while being disoriented in darkness. Nobody is exempt from mother nature’s wrath at sea, nobody.
The Bayesian disaster In very simple terms for the layperson. This is a one in a million tragedy but we should examine the facts and learn from them. Bayesian boasts the second highest mast in the world at 75 metres on a length of 56m. She has a lifting keel to enable her to get into shallow areas. Fully down it gives a draft of 9.83m and raised a draft of 4m. A sailing yacht has a keel to counter the heeling moment generated by the power of her sail plan. I’m sorry to say that size matters to a superyacht owner and naval architects are seduced into providing solutions. As yacht size increases the resistance of the hull reduces in proportion, so less sail area is required to adequately power longer yachts. But these floating fashion items are driven by appearance and bragging rights - and you lose prestige if someone has a bigger mast than you. Always the status pecking order questions are - how big - how fast - what cost - and is it black? If you designed Bayesian with a reasonable sail area and a ‘normal’ mast she would not look impressive - which is what superyachts have to be. It may be controversial to say it but the owners of these yacht are in some way victims of their own egomania. They want the biggest. When they go to a designer he has to go along with the ideas or lose the job to someone who will simply say yes to crazy ideas because they need the work. The rich and famous are used to being in charge and have a degree of certainty about their opinions which can make them immune to good professional advice. Often they appear with their own ‘expert’ who also depends on their patronage. A yes man. I have been in this position. I took a big job thinking I could recover sensible management and control downstream. How wrong I was. The result was predictable. The stability of a yacht has to be sufficient to counter the power of the rig but, as mast heights increase, the keels can often become so deep that the places of interest are restricted hence the lifting keel solution. Stability comes from two factors - the hull form and the ballast keel which acts like a pendulum. As the yacht heels the volume of the immersed hull section produce a buoyancy force which resists heeling. Initially the keel gives little force but as the angle of heel increases ‘physics’ makes the keel contribution significant (leverage). The greater the keel length, the greater the effect. The combination of the hull buoyancy on the heeled side and the keel on the ‘windward’ side produces the force necessary to keep the yacht from capsize. If the keel of Bayesian was retracted it would lose a significant six meters of moment arm or leverage from its probable 200 tons of keel bulb. When we design yachts we calculate the stability, or righting lever, as a function of heeled ‘bouyancy’ force and the ballast moment arm combined. (the GZ) This can be plotted on a graph to show the stability at any heel angle and identifies the angle at which stability becomes negative causing the yacht to capsize. Normally an ocean yacht will experience a negative point at about 120/30 degrees of heel. With a lifting keel this point is greatly reduced maybe to less than 90 degrees. Well designed oceanic yachts over 10m with normal ballast keels generally do not capsize due to wind because the, as the yacht heels, the wind spills from the sails and the keel develops an increasing righting moment. It is mainly wave systems which produce capsizes. If Bayesian was at anchor with the keel raised and no sails set the crew would have every confidence that she could remain safe in most normal wind conditions. But its centre of gravity would be higher than if the keel was down. Every captain at this level has passed an exam on stability and would be aware of his vessels stability graph. Many years ago I sat at Cremorne and watched a spiralling williwaw race across Sydney harbour and pass through Mosman. This twister was only about 30 metres wide but it destroyed houses and overturned cars in its path. A few feet away nothing was harmed. The power inside a twister is intense and powerful with the wind is coming from every direction One problem of large rigs is windage, even with no sails. Wind pressure increases to the square. A 20mph wind gives 1lb per sq foot pressure. In a fresh gale at 40mph the wind pressure is 4.1 lb sqft . In a moderate twister of 100mph the wind pressure is 25.6 lbs sqft. Internally twisters are often in the 200mph range causing 100 lbs + sqft pressures. This was the sort of event that hit Bayesian. You cannot plan or design for this sort of event. In their write up about the yacht Peri Navi wrote - “To optimise sailing performance of the powerful Cutter Rig sail plan, Salute (later Bayesian) has modified keel and rudder lines to improve her stability in keeping with the higher centre of gravity the tall mast produces.” But this yacht had three furling sails forward and a big boom with the weight of a furled mainsail inside all above the centre of gravity. Also there were large communication domes on the spreaders. Even without sails the wind pressure coefficients for Bayesian would have been abnormally large when hit by the wind force of varying direction in a twister. Once she was knocked down beyond her stability limit with the keel up she stood no chance and, laying flat to the water, her deck openings, which are more like a hotel than a ship, would have allowed a flood of water aboard and she would founder. This would happen in a couple of minutes. The watertight bulkheads are there to control flooding in the event of collision when the yacht is upright. They have no purpose when the yacht is on its side after a knockdown. In the Bayesian case they were useless - closed or open. As Sysman correctly says the climate control system on these is so extensive that, in all probability, all hull openings would have been closed. The observation of a lightning strike can be discounted because these vessels are grounded and any damage from a strike would have caused a slow sinking at worst - not a capsize and founder. The individuals within a professional crew with sailing experience may have sensed the wind and motion of the vessel changing and quickly reacted to instinctively save themselves in the seconds they had. My guess is that some were already on deck alarmed by the general conditions.The guests would have found themselves totally disoriented in flooding cabins, in darkness with the walls, doors and passageways at ninety degrees to the norm. Everything loose, including the people, would fall across the accommodation. They had practically no chance because it would be completely beyond their experience. The crew would have been unable to be of any help due to the speed of the unexpected event. I have been a professional yacht designer and builder for fifty years specialising in lifting keel yachts. My son, a professional navigator, was Third Officer on a ketch superyacht with masts 100m tall; a yacht so big, at 88metres, that it was almost beyond human handling even with the machinery on board. But of course it is the biggest and most expensive’ etc etc. His previous 73m power boat had 23 crew. The crew on the 88m ketch, which has all the complexities of the power superyacht and then this enormous rig to handle, had only 18 crew due to the shape of the vessel restricting accommodation. What we have here is a one off accident which is a wake up call to an industry where common sense has departed as yachts get more silly in size and design. In summary Bayesian was caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. A freak accident which the designers and crew would have little chance to predict. If the keel had been down she may have survived the knock down. But the crew would have experience of her basic stability which would be adequate for normal conditions. Any enquiry must examine the design factors such as the keel design and the stability vanishing point in the condition she was at the time of the accident; keel up, tank loadings and rig factors for windage (WPC) and centre of gravity etc. And a calculation of the wind force required to heel the boat to 90 degrees in the condition at the time of the accident. The news hounds will pick on any obvious sensational line of inquiry and any credible or incredible accusation. The fact is that normal storms are predictable to some extent but waterspouts and their paths are not. The boat was average for its type and suffered from ‘tallest mast’ syndrome. Sadly, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. You cannot plan or design for this sort of event. Blaming the builder is somewhat like blaming a ski manufacturer for deaths in an avalanche. My best mate died in one while attempting a dangerous black run in Verbier simply for bragging rights. He ignored common sense. All forms of transport have had these unpredictable one off events leading to changes of regulations and professional practice. Titanic, Boeing, 1955 Le Mans, the 1952 Farnborough crash, the 1979 Fastnet - all have made a difference and these events all came unpredicted and out of the blue often at a time of complacency. Chris Freer - yacht designer - Lagos Portugal August 2024
Thank you for your very informative and expert input. Every word you said, is logical and makes100% sense. Someone in authority should print your comment out and use it as a guideline for the investigation. Some comments on here are not worth reading. Thank you Chris
Wow, very informative comment...I'm from the UK, but I do not know much about sailing, but clearly their are many factors to this. I am a bit of an conspiracy theorist lol, but it's good to take in information like this 💯
@@tilelemwansathere are many people in this world who do risk their lives to save others. Some even lose their lives saving others. Unfortunately, there are also a lot of people in this world who are selfish and do little or nothing to help others. There’s a difference between survival and being selfish.
Being blown overboard by a tornado is NOT "abandoning ship." Why do so many people think this was the equivalent of an elementary school fire drill with everyone filing out in neat lines?
@@DanBrown96 I don't think that's your job if you are cabin crew or a waiter get real, a billionaire is dead so if they can blame it on some plebs, absolutely disgusting
Rough seas vs a waterspout passing over your craft. No comparison. Windy day vs driving into the funnel of an F 0-1 tornado. No comparison. Even if the crew was slack, this is scapegoating on an unbelievable level. For shame...!! 😮🙄😧
I've seen a waterspout in the distance from the deck of my little sailboat. Enough to make your guts liquefly. I've also see where one hit Hornby Island and tore 100' fir trees out by the roots.
If the chef was the first person found outside the boat, how come he was not in the life raft with the rest of the crew? Did he drown? His death puzzles.
I believe he was found outside the vessel at the bottom of the ocean. Most likely meaning he was probably close to escaping the flooding vessel, maybe escaping as it was already sinking and couldn’t make it to the surface before drowning. JMO.
I highly doubt it. These crews are usually from many different parts of the world. As the chef goes, that is one of the crew that is actually elevated over the others. Highly respected due to their talent and experience. JMO.
The storm was raging for at least an hour before it sank and dragged the anchor for 30 minutes . It then started sinking for 6 minutes not 30 seconds Look at the weather on the videos all the fishermen cancelled there trips out because of the weather . Why were they not woken up ? Only the crew can explain that and if they are leaving they may never know .
Basically, they thought it is just a storm, easy to handle, let them sleep. But called the crew on deck since had to deal with anchor dragging and probably preparing to start engine and moving.
Let's see now...the crew were on deck at 5:30 am putting away the cushions in the wind & rain so the wealthy passengers, snuggled in their cozy beds, wouldn't get their designer duds damp when they got up and came out on deck, when out of the blue the universe exploded in their faces. I'll bet the mast collapsed the waterspout and its millions of gallons of water in turn collapsed onto the boat, and down she went. You can't build a boat to withstand that. A huge torrent of water would have carried every thing moveable and jammed it in the corridors. The crew would have been completely, utterly, totally helpless in the malestrom. They probably couldn't even control their arms and legs. Mouths and noses full of water, they would not have been able to call out and they wouldn't be heard if they could. FLEEING??? They found themselves thrown off the boat--several of them grievously injured and one killed smashing into things in the process--unlike the people trapped below. The automatic liferaft did its automatic thing. The idea that the crew could do ANYTHING voluntarily inside a waterspout is preposterous. 19 waterspouts went through the area that day. Rich people are going to muster 19 times through the night on a luxury cruise on the one-in-a-billion chance a waterspout might hit the boat? Wealthy passengers are going to put up with having the boat sealed up in the humid heat every night that a one-in-a-billion weather incident might happen? Not going to happen. This was a horrible freak accident, like being killed in your bed by a falling meteor. It's idiotic to try to blame the crew.
there is something more to it than meets the eye . They are also providing jobs and paying them well . the crew knew what their job is before joining in , 🤡 .
Lots of British people commenting on what they would do 99 percent have never been in a tornado,earthquake Or even Caught in a rip current We lived a sheltered life growing up In the U.K. All bets are off when you end up in one It’s an assault on your senses I have been in 2 large earthquakes And other nationalities noticed just how freaked out I was I told them we don’t have this stuff except in movies
So true, when its pitch dark, you can't see your hand in frot of your face, disoriented and not even sure which way is up, boat mostly under water anyway. Easy to think you could do something, truth is totaly different when in the situation.
They were below deck in their cabins asleep when she quickly capsized and hadn't had time to understand what was happening in an air bubble with the way going to the top deck underwater. The reason five of the dead were found together in a single cabin was because in the limited time they had left to live with no escape possible, it’s human nature to want to be with your loved ones and friends huddled together; countless ancient grave sites have found people huddled together in their final moments knowing the end was near. The military trains on helicopter crashes at sea in the dark, in a small space and upside down, yet trained young soldiers drown. These people were mostly old and had been asleep and not prepared.
It was a private ship .. not affiliated to any nation or public service! Why this poor captain or crew should sacrifice his/her life to save a millionaire. Would any ultra rich even bother for their crew.
I agree!!!! I bet the Captain was well aware of the coming of proposed poor weather in the area, as fishermen were. I reckon the billionaire tycoon pushed for sailing etc. because how dare he have to cancel social champagne and ruin his reputation over a little wind and rain! People seem to forget how pushy, demanding and entitled people with money tend to be. The captain, employed by the tycoon, has no way out of doing what he says. He can suggest not sailing etc. but ultimately he doesn’t want fired and sued for ruining the man’s cabin dining plans. People are also forgetting that if a boat tips, there’s no way he’s getting down to warn people or they are getting out anyway. Captain shouldn’t be blamed!!!
Is all the hard work by.the rescue workers being acknowledged by anyone? They are what I call real heroes not like some cricketer who if they score 100 runs is considered a hero. The same goes for a lot of sportsmen.
The crew were all awake and able to get off fast after a sudden and unexpected tornado. They also got 6 others off and should be applauded for that not judged because of a freak weather incident.
It never entered my mind that crew shouldn't save themselves first and naturally........ I don't understand why a crew member can be doubted for surviving, they weren't bodyguards, i know I wouldn't have hesitated to save myself and I'd hope my loved ones would do the same. Huge sadness for those who died.
I agree with the original comment writer. The chef was just doing his job and the young girl was on the yatch with her parents, enjoying a summer holiday!
@@olirc Because the girl was almost a child - I have a daughter too -and the chef was just there to make a living. The other victims were middle-aged people with a lot of money and power who were responsible for organising the trip. I don't mean they needed to die because of that, of course not. But I grieve a bit less for them
If “below deck” & the likes are anything to go by, I am 99% sure the guests would not have been briefed on emergency protocols. Being in a natural disaster is terrifying, people react in unpredictable ways. Regardless there is ALWAYS one person responsible for the safety of every soul on board any transport (boat, ship, plane etc.) THE CAPTAIN. He either needs to have been very prescriptive about whose responsibility it was to alert passengers & crew. I am a sailor & a certified Rescue Diver. This won’t take as long as the recent Brazilian airline disaster to get answers, once they salvage Her I am sure a variety of specialists from Italy & UK will figure it out. With regard to drugs or alcohol testing, that can be done by hair follicle up to 90 days after consumption. I would be requesting those warrants now. It doesn’t mean to say that alcohol would be permissible for some members of the crew - it depends on their rota etc. I hope the Bayesian owner doesn’t try to actually rebuild & sail her again. He probably just wants to know who to sue & make sure his insurance pays out. Yeah, I’m cynical, it’s just one view of what we can all agree is a tragedy. I guess I’m mostly sad that vessels sink all the time, but it takes rich people on a cruise after a GIANT fraud case is dropped…. & the co-defendant has already died, to garner so much news coverage. I could go all ‘conspiracy theory’ & suggest it was planned…..
The owner is dead, along with his daughter. His wife got out so presumably she would inherit the yacht. She probably wants nothing to do with yachts ever again after losing her husband and daughter. The only question is whether it's worth salvaging and repairing it to sell. I imagine the resale price for a yacht that sank and killed it's owner would be a lot lower than the price new.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 I think everyone is keen to get the yacht out of the water to help avoid being sued with massive bills. It sounds like the ship builder company is very keen to bring the boat up , so they can prove it was human error
Of course it’s not an accident! Those clever 15 survivors conjured up a tornado in the middle of the night and sank the boat. Problem is, as usual they left behind a witness, the captain of the boat moored ahead of the Beyesian, who weathered and witnessed the same storm, so I guess that kind of kills off all the childish stupid conspiracies? Yes?
@@rayray8687 We're talking about professionals here. The storm was the perfect opportunity, those people were already deleted they didn't drowned and the autopsies will prove it. The captain and the survivors are in on it.
Grilled ,grilled don,t you mean questioned , and from what i understand is the liferaft inflated after the yacht sunk due to its hydrostatique couplings opening and that the crew and guests on the deck were thrown into the water when the yacht was knocked down by the weather.
The Captain is from New Zealand, you bet Italian officials are not going to go easy on him they will put him in prison for decades, this boat was Italian designed and built and considered unsinkable, they will blame him for leaving the hatches open and blame him for all those deaths, they will go harder on him then they did Amanda Knox
@@lindadoughty9252 Amanda Marie Knox (born July 9, 1987) is an American author, activist, and journalist. She spent almost four years incarcerated in Italy after her wrongful conviction in the 2007 murder of Meredith Kercher, a fellow exchange student, with whom she shared an apartment in Perugia, Italy.
The captain was where exactly when this tragedy was going to happen, and when it happened? Apparently he was safe, and away from the sunken boat. 1 anchor might not have been enough to be dropped, so a boat only equipped with 1 anchor is the builder's fault! No redirection of water happened, and again builder's fault.
What ever happened to that saying….batten down the hatches ? Would you not always have a watch on duty especially at night checking the weather. Seems like the crew acted like guests and not crew. What a bunch of misfits!
They may been given "orders " from someone else . Also the owners party were offshore earlier in the evening for dinner and drinks which could have been spiked . Yes it's a conspiracy theory but this whole thing is very suspicious. It's such a sad situation for all those involved 😢
Foolish grilling of people in peril and an impossible situation. Once the boat flips over there is the warning. It sunk so fast its a wonder 15 people made it.
The CREW SAVED THEMSELVES!!! Reminds me of the CRUISE SHIP CREW OFF SOUTH AFRICA some years back!!! They left those passengers while they jumped into lifeboats also!!
From what we have heard so far it seems the crew never got the chance to warn the passengers because the vessel went from a manageable 20 degree list in the violently strong wind to a 90 degree list so suddenly when the downburst hit and they were cast into the sea. The passengers are unlikely to have slept through the vessel being at 20 degrees and we can see that one with her baby was sufficiently concerned to make her way to an exit in time, which saved their lives, an instinctive reaction that the other passengers did not have in time. It is becoming clear that the protestations of the yacht designer that the 75 metre mast was a safe idea are a desperate attempt to duck the blame, because it so very clearly wasn't.
Italian news showed the inside of the ship. It had a very narrow spiral staircase which only one person at a time could get up. It had so many heavy luxurious designer furnishings and heavy marble statues that weighed the ship down. That's why those ships should have more simple furniture bolted to the floor.
@@soloroy6020 According to news reports, the tender hatch was not closed properly, allowing water to pour into the vessel. I'm sure that was part of what the investigators were asking the Captain and First Mate.
If … there is other involved as a severe thunderstorm ; with its unpredictable forces and phenomena at play … it was a high end pro operation. Doors are not locked, rather blocked from the outside ( I.e furniture) to leave no traces for investigators . Since 4 bodies were found all in one cabin -left side - they must have been forced in there first … to than block the door from the outside. the one blocking doors could well… not have made it out & away in measured time => escaping the strong down pull of the current a sinking vessel causes- …far enough… This is hypotheses not even theory… we do not know … and it’s very understandable that people scratch their heads and say „ this is fishy“ due to the court case prior and several unusual connections. The thunderstorm was predicted days before … The place : 50 metres depth not far from shore! This is huge…
Not a story, yet. The police are always going to have to investigate whether people could have averted the disaster or saved more lives in an event like this. The fact the police are asking these questions means nothing in itself.
The fact that the owners co-defendant in the trial case was hit by a car and killed while bicycling ads a little more strength behind the idea that this could be homicide
when a tornado hits you, everything happens lightning fast, and you don't have time for anything. However, in the end they managed to save the lives of many.
If it sank in one minute, they might not have had time to do more than escape! This seems like rich people being jealous that poor people have something they lost. Their lives!
The captain must have looked at the weather forecast but there was no mention of an approaching tornado cell. Otherwise, he would have retracted the yacht's long keel and headed for the save port of Porticello.
On deck , wearing her life vest and Holding her baby . The woman wasn't an idiot so she and her baby survived . Her billionaire husband thought he was invincible
@@jimmyfaulkner5746 that was not his wife. The woman/her husband/baby - all 3 got thrown off the deck into the sea, along with the crew, that’s why they survived.
Not strange at all …the crew were the only ones aboard who practiced emergency procedures. Ask any yacht owners if they practice drills at all. You will find out the real reason for such a tragedy. Yep, the captain and crew will make great scapegoats.
@@garytobin5120 Yet they failed to prep properly for the storm... Nor brought life vests to the passengers, when the storm was obviously no rain shower...& get them moving to evacuate.
Have to wait for the facts but IF she was dragging anchor and out of control for few minutes one would have thought muster passengers on deck with life jackets
@@supertuscans9512 You believe they’ll return, if found the least bit at fault? Like us giving Border ppl a court date as we give free rides all over America...🙄😂🤮
If they are required for a criminal prosecution they are not going to have any choice as they will be extradited. You can bet your house on the fact that these are highly trained professional crew who don’t come from some third world, basket case country.
First off - there IS NO SHIP that is un-sinkable. This one was thought to be and it went under in what…. 2 minutes ? Now they want to find someone to blame for it, so they want to roast the crew. Now I would imagine that the reason all but one of the crew survived is simply because they were all on deck trying to wrap the ship up when Mother Nature came through with a point to make. So if anyone has to be blamed, blame her. You see, there were other ships and boats around…. One close enough that he picked up survivors. He didn’t sink. He wasn’t even scathed, yet he rode the same storm out. Why is this one might ask ? Maybe because he never spit in Mother Nature’s face by declaring his vessel more powerful than her. You must remember, the Titanic was declared un-sinkable and she never completed her maiden voyage. Every ship ever declared un-sinkable rests on the bottom today. The builder painted a target on that boat with his boasting, so blame him for giving all of those people a false sense of security. There IS NO FKN BOAT that cannot be sunk.
Please, No drug orr Alkohol Test? And allowrd to leave country? Plus 5 we're found in one room although Press we're telling for two days, search for missing persons is going on. Was Doors locked or why could they Not come Up?
The insurance companies will blame the captain, he was probably getting jet skis and other toys ready for the morning, so everything was open aft. Unlike a commercial vessel. a yacht does not require a first mate. The captain does everything. The First Mate would be in charge of all the preparation for the owners the next day. The captain would be only concerned about the safety of the ship and the navigation of the ship. He will be blamed for everything so the insurance companies will be off the hook. What lawyer does he have as opposed to what lawyers do the insurance agencies have? What a joke making the captain scapegoat.
If you are after actual news on what could've happened and actual fact as well as learning a little more about how yachts work I suggest that the majority (not all, as there are some people on here, who know a thing or two) look at proper Yacht channels. ESYman for instance. I have a family member who works on super yachts, we can track their movements even down to the detail of whether the captain has brought the anchor down. I can tell you that on the night in question, the systems showed that the boat had very little time from onset to sink! It must've been absolute hell for them all! What is being missed is that the crew have given statements, many are seriously injured. The statements confirm that the Captain called all hands on deck as a storm was driving in, the Crew were all on deck battening down everything that could be hoisted up, thrown open and be a danger as they did that the boat heeled 20 degrees, within a few minutes it heeled again and they were ALL thrown off into the sea together with the other guests who were on the deck. The boat is capable to withstanding bad weather so this was an ordinary exercise they would've practiced and also handled many times. You would not have got guests out of bed just for a storm because they would be put into a dangerous situation. The boat was capable of taking in water in two section before guests & crew would leave the ship - and the Captain would be in complete control. This went down so quickly there was no time, no one could've envisaged it. This boat has also sailed the Atlantic Ocean before, so a storm would've been quite within their capabilities, however as it was noted a conical shaped "tornado" was witnessed by many hit the boat - they stood no chance! Interested in the facts not fiction, please read decent publications from people who have walked the walk and have decades of l. super yacht experience. eSYSman for instance.
Noooo. How would they be able to warn them when they almost died themselves ?!? Also the crew were likely awake preparing for the next day and cleaning up, that's the only reason they were up at the time
The VIP pax were obviuosly not warned of the imminent storm,,, & why would a mother , Mrs Angela Bacares , go up on deck without her daughter if they were all in danger ?? As a daughter of a ships' Capt ( Cargo Vessels ) ,,, all I know is that the Capt is responsible for his passengers & crew at all times,,, ,, he is in charge.., not the yacht owner,,, or do rich VIPS not wished to be disturbed ,,, even tho their lives might be in danger ? Many questions to answer ,,,, very sad & tragic event . RIP to all those lost at sea.
An excellent report. Clear and organized reporting that laid out a timeline of the events. Not unlike the submersible tragedy last year, the story keeps unfolding with one unfathomable mistake and tragedy after another. From design, ego and now the Captain's neglect this was a disaster just waiting for its time. I'm so sad for the innocents that were lost along with their potential futures. Can't seem to stop these billionaires and their selfish, wasteful toys
"crew to be grilled other whether they warned passengers" "other" ? - Is it so difficult to find journalists that can write English and check before publishing?
It was a freak act of nature and probably took everyone by surprise. The crew would've had to wake the passengers and get them on deck etc, but nature doesn't wait around!! Would there have been an inquest if the people on board were not millionaires??
Crew seems to have shirked their responsibilities, for sure. Yet, being allowed to leave the country? Wow. Such a tragic screw up, all around here. Glad the wife is going to pay to bring up the Bayesian.😔
@@supertuscans9512 Of course...that’s what she pays her insurance co for. To take care of things when needed. *IF covered for sinking...* 🤔 Her premiums will also skyrocket after it, too. If they don’t drop her. Not that she won’t be able to afford it. Just the way it works.
No it doesn’t work like car insurance, ‘her’ premiums won’t increase in isolation. if it’s a bad year for Marine Insurance, Insurance will go up across the globe.
I live in Italy 1/2 way down the Adriatic Coast, for days in advance local and national authorities had been giving out weather warnings, all weather apps were forecasting storms, heck after months of extreme heat and drought most people could not wait to get some rain, so although "tornado" are difficult to forecast THE BAD WEATHER DID NOT COME OUT OF THE BLUE!!!
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Some ppl act like they were totally caught off guard w/this.
IMO, the crew was totally unprepped ahead of time, to help assure safety for all.
Then, only thought of themselves, when it hit the fan, so to speak...
The problem here is that the storm wasn’t even really a storm, it was a squall that in it’s my a really severe weather cell and passed through quickly. The problem was almost certainly a water spout that hit the boat. The problem with waterspouts is that they can appear out of nowhere and disappear just as quickly. I’ve been on a boat in the med in Sep on mild but somewhat overcast day having lunch, when a water spout just arose about 400m from the boat. you’ve never seen 8 people move so fast to gun the engines and move. In under 5 minutes it had vanished completely.
ironically the local Sicilian TVs interviewed the fishermen of Porticello and EVERYONE knew about the weather alert. (I live in sicily) the captain would still take some precautionary measures
There you go , a reasonable question answer? Does anybody know or notice how unpredictable the weather. Even where i lived , they give out almost everyday , weather report - its usually extreme or a nice day out .
Some of these accident occure when those crews would like to impress the owner showing them they have skills to handle any situation especially you have a "unsinkable " ship...
What should make news is that BOTH partners in that fraud case that were acquitted died in the same week in “accidents” in different countries literally 1-2 days apart… now that sure as heck is a major coincidence if there ever was one!
Yes that tornado over the water was created just to kill him.
@@liveformybabies1190what tornado
@@Mr.Thomas_Anderson 🤣🤣🤣
Italian captains seem to be famed for bad captains whether its weather conditions or hitting rocks and being the first of the boat. Culpable manslaughter charges against the captain is that set of the nautical law when they save their self early before the passengers. I would never go on an Italian leisure cruise simply because they are in the news too much for abandoning ships too early before facilitating the rescue of the passengers. It’s every man for himself rule with them far too often. Sorry but facts and reports speak for themselves.
@@Mr.Thomas_AndersonThe one in every weather press report
9/10 crew including the Captain and First Officer survive. 6/12 passengers survive, 6 drown including the owners' husband and his daughter. Not a good look. Best explained under oath. So were the crew at muster ready to abandon ship while the passengers were asleep? Let's not forget that no one would care if this was a 3rd world fishing boat.
If it were a 3rd world fishing boat it wouldn’t be very unusual or newsworthy.
In the dark it would be difficcul if not fatal to try to reenter the boat to wakeup passengers. The mistake was made earlier when not all doors were closed to seal the critical compartments. Also the kneel should have been down as a nornal docking proceedure,
Maybe because the crew work on the deck or in in cabins near the deck and all are sober and in good shape.
While owners stay relaxed in the luxury cabins deeper in the boat.
When the boat flipped, who was closer to exit survived.
So it seems the Yacht sunk stern (rear ) first then tipped sideways . The crew sleeping quarters are at the Bow (front) so as well as better knowledge of escape hatches, the sleeping crew would have had more time to escape as the bow was out of water when it started to sink stern first
well all that training and all those drills didn’t do much to help the chef, he’s stone cold dead
There is no 30 minute or two hour safety briefing that is going to do anything to help those people caught below deck in a capsized boat with thousands of tons of water flooding in. To believe otherwise either demonstrates a total failure to understand the circumstances they faced or a remarkably low IQ.
One thing stands out and should be acknowledged: the expertise, human efforts, bravery and technical assets dedicated to the rescue efforts by the Italian Authorities should be commended.
Very professional and they ‘pulled out all the stops’, even the local population were sympathetic and concerned.
I agree.
I have made a comment about the Italians.
The survivors, were rescued by a fisherman
yes on every big event story played out we must always praise everyone who isnt dead and deem them heros. maybe get a little hero story for one of the deceased. it is the least we can do.
When a boat heals 90 degrees as quick as it did, anyone on deck would’ve been ejected or washed into the sea. Anyone inside the vessel would’ve been injured, knocked out, wind knocked out of them, while being disoriented in darkness. Nobody is exempt from mother nature’s wrath at sea, nobody.
The definition of when things get sideways.....
The Bayesian disaster In very simple terms for the layperson.
This is a one in a million tragedy but we should examine the facts and learn from them.
Bayesian boasts the second highest mast in the world at 75 metres on a length of 56m. She has a lifting keel to enable her to get into shallow areas. Fully down it gives a draft of 9.83m and raised a draft of 4m. A sailing yacht has a keel to counter the heeling moment generated by the power of her sail plan.
I’m sorry to say that size matters to a superyacht owner and naval architects are seduced into providing solutions. As yacht size increases the resistance of the hull reduces in proportion, so less sail area is required to adequately power longer yachts. But these floating fashion items are driven by appearance and bragging rights - and you lose prestige if someone has a bigger mast than you. Always the status pecking order questions are - how big - how fast - what cost - and is it black? If you designed Bayesian with a reasonable sail area and a ‘normal’ mast she would not look impressive - which is what superyachts have to be.
It may be controversial to say it but the owners of these yacht are in some way victims of their own egomania. They want the biggest. When they go to a designer he has to go along with the ideas or lose the job to someone who will simply say yes to crazy ideas because they need the work. The rich and famous are used to being in charge and have a degree of certainty about their opinions which can make them immune to good professional advice. Often they appear with their own ‘expert’ who also depends on their patronage. A yes man. I have been in this position. I took a big job thinking I could recover sensible management and control downstream. How wrong I was. The result was predictable.
The stability of a yacht has to be sufficient to counter the power of the rig but, as mast heights increase, the keels can often become so deep that the places of interest are restricted hence the lifting keel solution. Stability comes from two factors - the hull form and the ballast keel which acts like a pendulum. As the yacht heels the volume of the immersed hull section produce a buoyancy force which resists heeling. Initially the keel gives little force but as the angle of heel increases ‘physics’ makes the keel contribution significant (leverage). The greater the keel length, the greater the effect. The combination of the hull buoyancy on the heeled side and the keel on the ‘windward’ side produces the force necessary to keep the yacht from capsize. If the keel of Bayesian was retracted it would lose a significant six meters of moment arm or leverage from its probable 200 tons of keel bulb.
When we design yachts we calculate the stability, or righting lever, as a function of heeled ‘bouyancy’ force and the ballast moment arm combined. (the GZ) This can be plotted on a graph to show the stability at any heel angle and identifies the angle at which stability becomes negative causing the yacht to capsize. Normally an ocean yacht will experience a negative point at about 120/30 degrees of heel. With a lifting keel this point is greatly reduced maybe to less than 90 degrees.
Well designed oceanic yachts over 10m with normal ballast keels generally do not capsize due to wind because the, as the yacht heels, the wind spills from the sails and the keel develops an increasing righting moment. It is mainly wave systems which produce capsizes.
If Bayesian was at anchor with the keel raised and no sails set the crew would have every confidence that she could remain safe in most normal wind conditions. But its centre of gravity would be higher than if the keel was down. Every captain at this level has passed an exam on stability and would be aware of his vessels stability graph.
Many years ago I sat at Cremorne and watched a spiralling williwaw race across Sydney harbour and pass through Mosman. This twister was only about 30 metres wide but it destroyed houses and overturned cars in its path. A few feet away nothing was harmed. The power inside a twister is intense and powerful with the wind is coming from every direction
One problem of large rigs is windage, even with no sails. Wind pressure increases to the square. A 20mph wind gives 1lb per sq foot pressure. In a fresh gale at 40mph the wind pressure is 4.1 lb sqft . In a moderate twister of 100mph the wind pressure is 25.6 lbs sqft. Internally twisters are often in the 200mph range causing 100 lbs + sqft pressures. This was the sort of event that hit Bayesian. You cannot plan or design for this sort of event.
In their write up about the yacht Peri Navi wrote - “To optimise sailing performance of the powerful Cutter Rig sail plan, Salute (later Bayesian) has modified keel and rudder lines to improve her stability in keeping with the higher centre of gravity the tall mast produces.”
But this yacht had three furling sails forward and a big boom with the weight of a furled mainsail inside all above the centre of gravity. Also there were large communication domes on the spreaders. Even without sails the wind pressure coefficients for Bayesian would have been abnormally large when hit by the wind force of varying direction in a twister. Once she was knocked down beyond her stability limit with the keel up she stood no chance and, laying flat to the water, her deck openings, which are more like a hotel than a ship, would have allowed a flood of water aboard and she would founder. This would happen in a couple of minutes. The watertight bulkheads are there to control flooding in the event of collision when the yacht is upright. They have no purpose when the yacht is on its side after a knockdown. In the Bayesian case they were useless - closed or open. As Sysman correctly says the climate control system on these is so extensive that, in all probability, all hull openings would have been closed.
The observation of a lightning strike can be discounted because these vessels are grounded and any damage from a strike would have caused a slow sinking at worst - not a capsize and founder.
The individuals within a professional crew with sailing experience may have sensed the wind and motion of the vessel changing and quickly reacted to instinctively save themselves in the seconds they had. My guess is that some were already on deck alarmed by the general conditions.The guests would have found themselves totally disoriented in flooding cabins, in darkness with the walls, doors and passageways at ninety degrees to the norm. Everything loose, including the people, would fall across the accommodation. They had practically no chance because it would be completely beyond their experience. The crew would have been unable to be of any help due to the speed of the unexpected event.
I have been a professional yacht designer and builder for fifty years specialising in lifting keel yachts. My son, a professional navigator, was Third Officer on a ketch superyacht with masts 100m tall; a yacht so big, at 88metres, that it was almost beyond human handling even with the machinery on board. But of course it is the biggest and most expensive’ etc etc. His previous 73m power boat had 23 crew. The crew on the 88m ketch, which has all the complexities of the power superyacht and then this enormous rig to handle, had only 18 crew due to the shape of the vessel restricting accommodation.
What we have here is a one off accident which is a wake up call to an industry where common sense has departed as yachts get more silly in size and design.
In summary Bayesian was caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. A freak accident which the designers and crew would have little chance to predict. If the keel had been down she may have survived the knock down. But the crew would have experience of her basic stability which would be adequate for normal conditions.
Any enquiry must examine the design factors such as the keel design and the stability vanishing point in the condition she was at the time of the accident; keel up, tank loadings and rig factors for windage (WPC) and centre of gravity etc. And a calculation of the wind force required to heel the boat to 90 degrees in the condition at the time of the accident.
The news hounds will pick on any obvious sensational line of inquiry and any credible or incredible accusation. The fact is that normal storms are predictable to some extent but waterspouts and their paths are not. The boat was average for its type and suffered from ‘tallest mast’ syndrome. Sadly, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. You cannot plan or design for this sort of event. Blaming the builder is somewhat like blaming a ski manufacturer for deaths in an avalanche. My best mate died in one while attempting a dangerous black run in Verbier simply for bragging rights. He ignored common sense.
All forms of transport have had these unpredictable one off events leading to changes of regulations and professional practice. Titanic, Boeing, 1955 Le Mans, the 1952 Farnborough crash, the 1979 Fastnet - all have made a difference and these events all came unpredicted and out of the blue often at a time of complacency.
Chris Freer - yacht designer - Lagos Portugal August 2024
Thank you for your very informative and expert input. Every word you said, is logical and makes100% sense. Someone in authority should print your comment out and use it as a guideline for the investigation.
Some comments on here are not worth reading.
Thank you Chris
No one is reading all that crap. What a waste of time.
Wow, very informative comment...I'm from the UK, but I do not know much about sailing, but clearly their are many factors to this. I am a bit of an conspiracy theorist lol, but it's good to take in information like this 💯
Enlightening, thank you
@@OngoGablogian185 rude
If the people on board weren't who they are, would they give so much coverage to it?
So what? This reporting can be a useful tool for future events, regardless of "class." Don't be so cynical. People lost their lives.
@ThisFoolishLife yes, it was a ship that was built to withstand ocean voyage and should not have sunk like this
Of course not, lmfao.
Probably not
And then blame innocent people for saving their own lives
You are not supposed to abandon ship leaving others to perish unless you are physically evacuating someone.
How dare the crew survive
@@danieljeffreycooper4882 How dare they not prep properly for the incoming storm they knew about for days.
@@tilelemwansaHe’s being sarcastic.
@@tilelemwansathere are many people in this world who do risk their lives to save others. Some even lose their lives saving others. Unfortunately, there are also a lot of people in this world who are selfish and do little or nothing to help others. There’s a difference between survival and being selfish.
Being blown overboard by a tornado is NOT "abandoning ship." Why do so many people think this was the equivalent of an elementary school fire drill with everyone filing out in neat lines?
What a romantic notion that crew act like Navy Seals in an almost upside down luxury yacht.
...during a tornado.
By "Navy Seals", you mean telling everyone to put their life vests on and be prepared to abandon ship? So.....THEIR JOBS??
@@DanBrown96 I don't think that's your job if you are cabin crew or a waiter get real, a billionaire is dead so if they can blame it on some plebs, absolutely disgusting
And that the passengers had somehow failed to notice this
@@nala7658The passengers below deck, we're led to believe, were all asleep.
Odd that, if they were in a severe storm 😐
Rough seas vs a waterspout passing over your craft.
No comparison.
Windy day vs driving into the funnel of an F 0-1 tornado.
No comparison.
Even if the crew was slack, this is scapegoating on an unbelievable level.
For shame...!! 😮🙄😧
I've seen a waterspout in the distance from the deck of my little sailboat. Enough to make your guts liquefly. I've also see where one hit Hornby Island and tore 100' fir trees out by the roots.
Anyone else smelling that.....
Anchovies......
@will7its
Go sniff out the patents he and his also recently deceased business partners had to make majority back door obsolete
@will7its
Intelligence tech devises back doors***
@@codswallop164 I dont know what are you trying to say???
Look into the dead millionaires business partners and AI tech.
My comments disappear if is say more.
If the chef was the first person found outside the boat, how come he was not in the life raft with the rest of the crew? Did he drown? His death puzzles.
I believe he was found outside the vessel at the bottom of the ocean. Most likely meaning he was probably close to escaping the flooding vessel, maybe escaping as it was already sinking and couldn’t make it to the surface before drowning. JMO.
Perhaps the crew looked down on the chef!
If they did it is disgusting! It is strange that he was the only crew member who died.
I highly doubt it. These crews are usually from many different parts of the world. As the chef goes, that is one of the crew that is actually elevated over the others. Highly respected due to their talent and experience. JMO.
Possibly he tried to reach the others in their cabins but was unable to.
Whites first!!!
The storm was raging for at least an hour before it sank and dragged the anchor for 30 minutes .
It then started sinking for 6 minutes not 30 seconds
Look at the weather on the videos all the fishermen cancelled there trips out because of the weather .
Why were they not woken up ?
Only the crew can explain that and if they are leaving they may never know .
Basically, they thought it is just a storm, easy to handle, let them sleep. But called the crew on deck since had to deal with anchor dragging and probably preparing to start engine and moving.
@@dmitripogosian5084make sense
The boat was designed to handle the storm, you could sail the oceans with it, this was supposed to be nothing.
@@chudchadanstud I wonder what happened then
@@ImmersedInGod Keel was up. A short keel, a long mast and a lot of wind is a recipe for disaster. Basically heeling happens.
Let's see now...the crew were on deck at 5:30 am putting away the cushions in the wind & rain so the wealthy passengers, snuggled in their cozy beds, wouldn't get their designer duds damp when they got up and came out on deck, when out of the blue the universe exploded in their faces. I'll bet the mast collapsed the waterspout and its millions of gallons of water in turn collapsed onto the boat, and down she went. You can't build a boat to withstand that. A huge torrent of water would have carried every thing moveable and jammed it in the corridors. The crew would have been completely, utterly, totally helpless in the malestrom. They probably couldn't even control their arms and legs. Mouths and noses full of water, they would not have been able to call out and they wouldn't be heard if they could. FLEEING??? They found themselves thrown off the boat--several of them grievously injured and one killed smashing into things in the process--unlike the people trapped below. The automatic liferaft did its automatic thing. The idea that the crew could do ANYTHING voluntarily inside a waterspout is preposterous. 19 waterspouts went through the area that day. Rich people are going to muster 19 times through the night on a luxury cruise on the one-in-a-billion chance a waterspout might hit the boat? Wealthy passengers are going to put up with having the boat sealed up in the humid heat every night that a one-in-a-billion weather incident might happen? Not going to happen. This was a horrible freak accident, like being killed in your bed by a falling meteor. It's idiotic to try to blame the crew.
Indeed.
there is something more to it than meets the eye . They are also providing jobs and paying them well . the crew knew what their job is before joining in , 🤡 .
Good points!
@@cb8597-q6l They are also providing jobs and paying them well . the crew knew what their job is before joining in , 🤡 .
@@ziggystardust3060I said the WATERSPOUT collapsed, not the mast.
Lots of British people commenting on what they would do
99 percent have never been in a tornado,earthquake
Or even Caught in a rip current
We lived a sheltered life growing up
In the U.K.
All bets are off when you end up in one
It’s an assault on your senses
I have been in 2 large earthquakes
And other nationalities noticed just how freaked out I was
I told them we don’t have this stuff except in movies
Must be a liberal 😂
We are an island alot of us sail so pipe down the insults .
I've been in a hurricane and tornados. Never want to be in anything like those again.
@@matthewkirkland6497wtf are you talking about? I’m a liberal. How many lives have you saved?
So true, when its pitch dark, you can't see your hand in frot of your face, disoriented and not even sure which way is up, boat mostly under water anyway. Easy to think you could do something, truth is totaly different when in the situation.
They were below deck in their cabins asleep when she quickly capsized and hadn't had time to understand what was happening in an air bubble with the way going to the top deck underwater. The reason five of the dead were found together in a single cabin was because in the limited time they had left to live with no escape possible, it’s human nature to want to be with your loved ones and friends huddled together; countless ancient grave sites have found people huddled together in their final moments knowing the end was near. The military trains on helicopter crashes at sea in the dark, in a small space and upside down, yet trained young soldiers drown. These people were mostly old and had been asleep and not prepared.
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It was a private ship .. not affiliated to any nation or public service! Why this poor captain or crew should sacrifice his/her life to save a millionaire. Would any ultra rich even bother for their crew.
How do you know all these facts lol?
I agree!!!! I bet the Captain was well aware of the coming of proposed poor weather in the area, as fishermen were. I reckon the billionaire tycoon pushed for sailing etc. because how dare he have to cancel social champagne and ruin his reputation over a little wind and rain! People seem to forget how pushy, demanding and entitled people with money tend to be. The captain, employed by the tycoon, has no way out of doing what he says. He can suggest not sailing etc. but ultimately he doesn’t want fired and sued for ruining the man’s cabin dining plans. People are also forgetting that if a boat tips, there’s no way he’s getting down to warn people or they are getting out anyway. Captain shouldn’t be blamed!!!
Is all the hard work by.the rescue workers being acknowledged by anyone?
They are what I call real heroes not like some cricketer who if they score 100 runs is considered a hero. The same goes for a lot of sportsmen.
after the candlelit vigil they are going to praise the rescue services.
The crew were all awake and able to get off fast after a sudden and unexpected tornado. They also got 6 others off and should be applauded for that not judged because of a freak weather incident.
Who were the other six?
Were they linked to the 9 billion write down?
No one is blaming them for the bad weather.
Maybe the crew were all awake, because they had duties to perform, they were not on vacation, they were working.
@@Gailey379 exactly the crew are often treated like slaves on those private yachts
@@fishmonger6879 wonder how much they paid someone to take em all out.
It never entered my mind that crew shouldn't save themselves first and naturally........ I don't understand why a crew member can be doubted for surviving, they weren't bodyguards, i know I wouldn't have hesitated to save myself and I'd hope my loved ones would do the same. Huge sadness for those who died.
So are policemen who run away at the signs of trouble saving themselves
Thank you for the update. Sad this happened. Keep up the good work!
I feel sorry for the chef and the 18 year old girl
Very selective. Any reason why?
I agree with the original comment writer. The chef was just doing his job and the young girl was on the yatch with her parents, enjoying a summer holiday!
@@olirc Because the girl was almost a child - I have a daughter too -and the chef was just there to make a living. The other victims were middle-aged people with a lot of money and power who were responsible for organising the trip. I don't mean they needed to die because of that, of course not. But I grieve a bit less for them
I also feel bad for the chefs family and wish the owners insurance policy could help them out a little.
Weird comment..
If “below deck” & the likes are anything to go by, I am 99% sure the guests would not have been briefed on emergency protocols. Being in a natural disaster is terrifying, people react in unpredictable ways. Regardless there is ALWAYS one person responsible for the safety of every soul on board any transport (boat, ship, plane etc.) THE CAPTAIN. He either needs to have been very prescriptive about whose responsibility it was to alert passengers & crew.
I am a sailor & a certified Rescue Diver. This won’t take as long as the recent Brazilian airline disaster to get answers, once they salvage Her I am sure a variety of specialists from Italy & UK will figure it out.
With regard to drugs or alcohol testing, that can be done by hair follicle up to 90 days after consumption. I would be requesting those warrants now. It doesn’t mean to say that alcohol would be permissible for some members of the crew - it depends on their rota etc.
I hope the Bayesian owner doesn’t try to actually rebuild & sail her again. He probably just wants to know who to sue & make sure his insurance pays out.
Yeah, I’m cynical, it’s just one view of what we can all agree is a tragedy. I guess I’m mostly sad that vessels sink all the time, but it takes rich people on a cruise after a GIANT fraud case is dropped…. & the co-defendant has already died, to garner so much news coverage. I could go all ‘conspiracy theory’ & suggest it was planned…..
The owner is dead, along with his daughter. His wife got out so presumably she would inherit the yacht. She probably wants nothing to do with yachts ever again after losing her husband and daughter. The only question is whether it's worth salvaging and repairing it to sell. I imagine the resale price for a yacht that sank and killed it's owner would be a lot lower than the price new.
Hmmmm true.. I smell a rat.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 I think everyone is keen to get the yacht out of the water to help avoid being sued with massive bills. It sounds like the ship builder company is very keen to bring the boat up , so they can prove it was human error
Suggest it was planned by who?
Get a life
Definitely not an accident.
No of course not, it was a SMERSH operation and the yacht was sunk by four torpedoes fired from a nuclear submarine located in the Baring Sea.
@@supertuscans9512 4 nuclear missiles .....nice
@@fredkite9330 Man can....
Of course it’s not an accident! Those clever 15 survivors conjured up a tornado in the middle of the night and sank the boat. Problem is, as usual they left behind a witness, the captain of the boat moored ahead of the Beyesian, who weathered and witnessed the same storm, so I guess that kind of kills off all the childish stupid conspiracies? Yes?
@@rayray8687 We're talking about professionals here. The storm was the perfect opportunity, those people were already deleted they didn't drowned and the autopsies will prove it. The captain and the survivors are in on it.
Grilled ,grilled don,t you mean questioned , and from what i understand is the liferaft inflated after the yacht sunk due to its hydrostatique couplings opening and that the crew and guests on the deck were thrown into the water when the yacht was knocked down by the weather.
The Captain is from New Zealand, you bet Italian officials are not going to go easy on him they will put him in prison for decades, this boat was Italian designed and built and considered unsinkable, they will blame him for leaving the hatches open and blame him for all those deaths, they will go harder on him then they did Amanda Knox
@@ytzpilotAgree, but American Amanda Knox's case, was in Portugal, not Italy
@@lindadoughty9252 nope Amanda Knox was absolutely in Italy, check your facts
@@ytzpilot Portugal
@@lindadoughty9252 Amanda Marie Knox (born July 9, 1987) is an American author, activist, and journalist. She spent almost four years incarcerated in Italy after her wrongful conviction in the 2007 murder of Meredith Kercher, a fellow exchange student, with whom she shared an apartment in Perugia, Italy.
The captain was where exactly when this tragedy was going to happen, and when it happened?
Apparently he was safe, and away from the sunken boat.
1 anchor might not have been enough to be dropped, so a boat only equipped with 1 anchor is the builder's fault!
No redirection of water happened, and again builder's fault.
Who writes these thumbnails? Grilled ‘other’ whether ? Spellcheck!
No one writes them they are generated by AI. It’s no different to your satnav or Alexa mishearing what you’ve said.
Me thinks there's more to this than meets the eye. Look into the intelligence links of both deceased partners.
11billion aren’t peanuts
The captain & crew need to be held accountable. Vile behaviour
Go play with traffic 😂
@@jimmyfaulkner5746 go play with yachts in a water spout
The Sun, nice content bro
5am water spout? Seems like a hex was put on Mr. Lynch's head.
They sacrificed the chef too.
What ever happened to that saying….batten down the hatches ? Would you not always have a watch on duty especially at night checking the weather. Seems like the crew acted like guests and not crew. What a bunch of misfits!
Be careful what you say, I know some of the crew, including Ricky, the chef who drowned.
They may been given "orders " from someone else . Also the owners party were offshore earlier in the evening for dinner and drinks which could have been spiked . Yes it's a conspiracy theory but this whole thing is very suspicious. It's such a sad situation for all those involved 😢
Surprisingly this is the clearest most concise eloquent report of this event across the media so far 👏
Foolish grilling of people in peril and an impossible situation. Once the boat flips over there is the warning. It sunk so fast its a wonder 15 people made it.
The CREW SAVED THEMSELVES!!! Reminds me of the CRUISE SHIP CREW OFF SOUTH AFRICA some years back!!! They left those passengers while they jumped into lifeboats also!!
Stay off ships labelled unsinkable. They all go down.
Let me guess. They are going to say that the communication system "malfunctioned" and they "fell asleep."
He was assassinated.
Crew left before guests
@@jaymontange8260 crew got thrown off deck into the water, the guests down below were trapped.
Left??? If a tornado hit you, you'd "leave" too.
Blame the crew for the storm. Only the rich people
Yes, rich people bullying again.
Very Fishy Case!
This is no accident!!!! Look who made it out and who didn’t!!! The captain is solely responsible, he should prosecuted and sent to prison!!!
Exactly! Something seems fishy!
Let the crew leave ???
What ????
The tech billionaire kinda looks like the scientist Homelander killed in the basement.
From what we have heard so far it seems the crew never got the chance to warn the passengers because the vessel went from a manageable 20 degree list in the violently strong wind to a 90 degree list so suddenly when the downburst hit and they were cast into the sea.
The passengers are unlikely to have slept through the vessel being at 20 degrees and we can see that one with her baby was sufficiently concerned to make her way to an exit in time, which saved their lives, an instinctive reaction that the other passengers did not have in time. It is becoming clear that the protestations of the yacht designer that the 75 metre mast was a safe idea are a desperate attempt to duck the blame, because it so very clearly wasn't.
a pile of filthy rich people died while young poor crew members survived? What's the issue?
Were the Doors locked or why could they not come upstairs?
I still don't understand why she sunk so quickly. For sure the hatches were all closed and the air-conditioning was running.
Italian news showed the inside of the ship. It had a very narrow spiral staircase which only one person at a time could get up. It had so many heavy luxurious designer furnishings and heavy marble statues that weighed the ship down. That's why those ships should have more simple furniture bolted to the floor.
@@soloroy6020 According to news reports, the tender hatch was not closed properly, allowing water to pour into the vessel. I'm sure that was part of what the investigators were asking the Captain and First Mate.
If … there is other involved as a severe thunderstorm ; with its unpredictable forces and phenomena at play … it was a high end pro operation.
Doors are not locked, rather blocked from the outside ( I.e furniture) to leave no traces for investigators . Since 4 bodies were found all in one cabin -left side - they must have been forced in there first … to than block the door from the outside.
the one blocking doors could well… not have made it out & away in measured time => escaping the strong down pull of the current a sinking vessel causes- …far enough… This is hypotheses not even theory… we do not know … and it’s very understandable that people scratch their heads and say „ this is fishy“ due to the court case prior and several unusual connections.
The thunderstorm was predicted days before …
The place : 50 metres depth not far from shore! This is huge…
Not a story, yet. The police are always going to have to investigate whether people could have averted the disaster or saved more lives in an event like this. The fact the police are asking these questions means nothing in itself.
The fact that the owners co-defendant in the trial case was hit by a car and killed while bicycling ads a little more strength behind the idea that this could be homicide
God bless all 😢❤
If the lower deck had flooded quickly it could be the lives on the lower deck had already been lost before the yacht was evacuated.
Greetings from Canada thanks for sharing this video
when a tornado hits you, everything happens lightning fast, and you don't have time for anything.
However, in the end they managed to save the lives of many.
SAD😢😢
Absolutely disturbing on the crew!!!! N
If it sank in one minute, they might not have had time to do more than escape! This seems like rich people being jealous that poor people have something they lost. Their lives!
Very concise reporting
The law of the sea is to save yourself when a ship goes down.
The captain must have looked at the weather forecast but there was no mention of an approaching tornado cell. Otherwise, he would have retracted the yacht's long keel and headed for the save port of Porticello.
Deepest sympathies to all the victims and their families 😔💔
Why did Mike Lynch's wife survive and her husband and daughter did not? Where was she at the time of the sinking?
On deck , wearing her life vest and Holding her baby . The woman wasn't an idiot so she and her baby survived . Her billionaire husband thought he was invincible
@@jimmyfaulkner5746don't think that was his wife with baby?
@@scotland5370 that's what the telly said
@@jimmyfaulkner5746 that was not his wife. The woman/her husband/baby - all 3 got thrown off the deck into the sea, along with the crew, that’s why they survived.
Great reporting.
Strange, that all Crew got Out ...
Not strange at all …the crew were the only ones aboard who practiced emergency procedures. Ask any yacht owners if they practice drills at all. You will find out the real reason for such a tragedy. Yep, the captain and crew will make great scapegoats.
One the chef passed on.
All? Are you certain?
@@garytobin5120 Yet they failed to prep properly for the storm...
Nor brought life vests to the passengers, when the storm was obviously no rain shower...& get them moving to evacuate.
@@Lorraine-p4rguess why
Why did crew leave first?
I have a huge problem with the staff. Its there responsibility to have owner and the guests to get to safety and or life raft.
HAARP nuffsed
This will be on "unsolved crimes" for the next 20 years.
How would they warn them? Literally sank in seconds and turned 90°. The chef didn't even make it and he was crew.
Just because someone is being paid doesn't make it their responsibility when a black swan event happens. They weren't body guards as far as I know.
Have to wait for the facts but IF she was dragging anchor and out of control for few minutes one would have thought muster passengers on deck with life jackets
Crew def failed there, big time.
No one should be allowed to leave.
Mind boggling....
That’s absurd the enquiry may take at least 5 years to conclude.
@@supertuscans9512 You believe they’ll return, if found the least bit at fault?
Like us giving Border ppl a court date as we give free rides all over America...🙄😂🤮
You were there right.....lol
If they are required for a criminal prosecution they are not going to have any choice as they will be extradited. You can bet your house on the fact that these are highly trained professional crew who don’t come from some third world, basket case country.
First off - there IS NO SHIP that is un-sinkable. This one was thought to be and it went under in what…. 2 minutes ? Now they want to find someone to blame for it, so they want to roast the crew. Now I would imagine that the reason all but one of the crew survived is simply because they were all on deck trying to wrap the ship up when Mother Nature came through with a point to make. So if anyone has to be blamed, blame her. You see, there were other ships and boats around…. One close enough that he picked up survivors. He didn’t sink. He wasn’t even scathed, yet he rode the same storm out. Why is this one might ask ? Maybe because he never spit in Mother Nature’s face by declaring his vessel more powerful than her. You must remember, the Titanic was declared un-sinkable and she never completed her maiden voyage. Every ship ever declared un-sinkable rests on the bottom today. The builder painted a target on that boat with his boasting, so blame him for giving all of those people a false sense of security. There IS NO FKN BOAT that cannot be sunk.
Only because they were rich. The poor wouldn't get this attention
Please, No drug orr Alkohol Test? And allowrd to leave country? Plus 5 we're found in one room although Press we're telling for two days, search for missing persons is going on. Was Doors locked or why could they Not come Up?
Reading this gave me 2 strokes.
😂😂😂😂@@susivarga7303
The insurance companies will blame the captain, he was probably getting jet skis and other toys ready for the morning, so everything was open aft. Unlike a commercial vessel. a yacht does not require a first mate. The captain does everything. The First Mate would be in charge of all the preparation for the owners the next day. The captain would be only concerned about the safety of the ship and the navigation of the ship. He will be blamed for everything so the insurance companies will be off the hook. What lawyer does he have as opposed to what lawyers do the insurance agencies have? What a joke making the captain scapegoat.
If you are after actual news on what could've happened and actual fact as well as learning a little more about how yachts work I suggest that the majority (not all, as there are some people on here, who know a thing or two) look at proper Yacht channels. ESYman for instance. I have a family member who works on super yachts, we can track their movements even down to the detail of whether the captain has brought the anchor down. I can tell you that on the night in question, the systems showed that the boat had very little time from onset to sink! It must've been absolute hell for them all! What is being missed is that the crew have given statements, many are seriously injured. The statements confirm that the Captain called all hands on deck as a storm was driving in, the Crew were all on deck battening down everything that could be hoisted up, thrown open and be a danger as they did that the boat heeled 20 degrees, within a few minutes it heeled again and they were ALL thrown off into the sea together with the other guests who were on the deck. The boat is capable to withstanding bad weather so this was an ordinary exercise they would've practiced and also handled many times. You would not have got guests out of bed just for a storm because they would be put into a dangerous situation. The boat was capable of taking in water in two section before guests & crew would leave the ship - and the Captain would be in complete control. This went down so quickly there was no time, no one could've envisaged it. This boat has also sailed the Atlantic Ocean before, so a storm would've been quite within their capabilities, however as it was noted a conical shaped "tornado" was witnessed by many hit the boat - they stood no chance! Interested in the facts not fiction, please read decent publications from people who have walked the walk and have decades of l. super yacht experience. eSYSman for instance.
Noooo. How would they be able to warn them when they almost died themselves ?!? Also the crew were likely awake preparing for the next day and cleaning up, that's the only reason they were up at the time
The captain & crew are hideous
People are speculating about what happened
Perhaps the owner gave the captain certain instructions!
The VIP pax were obviuosly not warned of the imminent storm,,, & why would a mother , Mrs Angela Bacares , go up on deck without her daughter if they were all in danger ??
As a daughter of a ships' Capt ( Cargo Vessels ) ,,, all I know is that the Capt is responsible
for his passengers & crew at all times,,, ,, he is in charge.., not the yacht owner,,,
or do rich VIPS not wished to be disturbed ,,, even tho their lives might be in danger ?
Many questions to answer ,,,, very sad & tragic event . RIP to all those lost at sea.
An excellent report. Clear and organized reporting that laid out a timeline of the events. Not unlike the submersible tragedy last year, the story keeps unfolding with one unfathomable mistake and tragedy after another.
From design, ego and now the Captain's neglect this was a disaster just waiting for its time.
I'm so sad for the innocents that were lost along with their potential futures. Can't seem to stop these billionaires and their selfish, wasteful toys
Yacht tragedy crew to be grilled other whether they warned passengers before fleeing. Journalism is on its knees.
"crew to be grilled other whether they warned passengers"
"other" ? - Is it so difficult to find journalists that can write English and check before publishing?
Why was the keel raised ? ?
In a situation like this the poorer people are more likely to survive but then get the blame for not dying with the rich.
It's beginning to look like a `Herald of Free Enterprise' style lash-up...
The crew and captain survived?
What is that title 😭?
how come no one is solving this? i thought the internet is undefeated!
Whatever happened to proof reading?
It was a freak act of nature and probably took everyone by surprise. The crew would've had to wake the passengers and get them on deck etc, but nature doesn't wait around!! Would there have been an inquest if the people on board were not millionaires??
Mostly...it's best to escape than to hide.
Captains do not go down with the ship, nor are they the last man to leave .. At the 1st sign of trouble .... Everyone for themselves !!!!
I agree 100%, the captain is the last one off.
I thought crews priority was to ensure the safety of the passengers, obviouly not in this case...no one saw the water spout approaching? mmmmm....
Soo many experts in the comment section..no one knows what it was like unless they were there at the time..remember that.
You cant warn if the ship already on its side and that should be enough warning. Assuming that it cane as a complete surprise.
The passengers below deck, we're led to believe, were all asleep.
Odd that, if the boat hit a severe storm 😐
Crew seems to have shirked their responsibilities, for sure.
Yet, being allowed to leave the country?
Wow.
Such a tragic screw up, all around here.
Glad the wife is going to pay to bring up the Bayesian.😔
Insurance will pay for it.
@@supertuscans9512 Of course...that’s what she pays her insurance co for.
To take care of things when needed. *IF covered for sinking...* 🤔
Her premiums will also skyrocket after it, too. If they don’t drop her.
Not that she won’t be able to afford it.
Just the way it works.
No it doesn’t work like car insurance, ‘her’ premiums won’t increase in isolation. if it’s a bad year for Marine Insurance, Insurance will go up across the globe.
@@supertuscans9512 Well lets hope she’s covered for this ‘event.’
I’m sure she’ll do it, regardless.
Did they warn the passengers before the hit took place, or were they always to be collateral damage.