Debunked: 12 People In The Bible Claim Jesus Is God (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- A graphic circulated on social media about how 12 different people in the Bible call Jesus God. In this video, which is part 2 in the series, that claim will be examined and proven to be false. Even in the strongest Trinitarian verses, the Father is called God (not the Son), at least 7 times.
Verses: Luke 2:11; John 1:1; 1 John 5:20; John 9:35-38; John 20:28
Teacher: Johnny Barnes
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In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with the trinity, and Jesus was the trinity. Jesus was in the beginning with the trinity. Trinitarian nonsense!
Yehshua is not Elohim….. for sure! He is the Son of Yah!
It is a pity that millions of Jewish and Muslim don’t accept Yehshua as the Messiah just because Christianity has taught that He is Elohim Himself…….. when we explain to them that it is not the true, then they get another perspective about Yehshua and it seems that it is easier for them to believe in their Messiah.
Muslims believe that Jesus is the messiah and he’s going to come back and save the world from the anti christ. Muslims also believe many Christians will be deceived by the Anti christ cause he will claim to be Jesus and claim to be God and rule over the people in a kind of pharaonic style. Until of course the real Jesus the true messiah comes back takes away injustice, defeats the anti christ or dijjal (Islamic name for anti christ), restores peace in the world and prays with the Muslims affirming he was but a wonderful messenger peace and blessings be upon him, of god. Hope this helps ❤.
God does not have a beginning. Jesus’s name was given to him. We are the word of God. Was spelled this way, word and they changed it to Word. God is found in unapproachable light. God is a spirit. The trinity is not taught or explained anywhere in the Bible. Jesus said no man has seen God ever. Jesus said that he has a God 40 plus times.
Some bibles, and manuscripts translate John 1:1 correctly; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and what God was, the Word was.
Translating "The word was God" is not incorrect, rather it is literally what the Greek text says. The Greek text says, "και θεός ην ο λόγος." In this sentence, since the word is the subject with the article and God isn't, then the word goes first. Then, there is the aorist active indicative 3rd person singular of είμι. Therefore translating "and the word was God" is one hundred percent literal to the text, therefore it cannot be understood as incorrect. I do however agree that your supplied translation translated the idea of the statement better, because since a predicate nominative is present, then it seems that the Word is being given the quality of God and who he is. In this interpretation, it is very plausable to go with "and what God was the Word was."
@@jeremiahreese6396 Dan Wallace says it should be The Word was Divine, because it does not say The Word was The God. The text actually says The Word was with The God and GOD was The Word.
Otherwise you are saying Jesus is what he is with, which is a contradiction.
@@ArtorGrael no, because of the predicate nominative, logos should come before theos in the sentence since logos is the one with the article not theos.
@@jeremiahreese6396This is a helpful way to understand this sentence, thank you for explaining!
If Jesus is 'God', who is his God (John 20 :17; Rev 3 :12).
John 17.3, Rev 1.5-6, also.
Jerimiah 32:27 “Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?” Jesus became flesh, did you want him to be an atheist? Why would the Father not be his God while He took on flesh? John 20:17, Notice how He says my Father, your Father and my God, your God. Why wouldn’t he just say our Father/our God? Jesus is showing the Father is his Father/ his God in a unique sense from us. Jesus is the Son of God by nature, we become sons of God through faith in Christ and adopt the sonship Jesus has eternally had with the Father.
@@codered6717: Unfortunately, people in Bible times didn't talk the way you would like them to. Your spin on John 20 :17 doesn't cut it. But what about the glorified Jesus in heaven itself, where he refers to his God repeatedly in Rev 3 :12.
And how do you explain the hundreds of verses that differentiate Jesus from God(not the Father, but God).
@@JosephSmith-ph4xrit works fine there is clearly a distinction, you just want it to mean something else. Do understand Jesus is the word made flesh, fully divine and fully human? Again when Jesus took on a flesh did you want him to be atheist ?
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr It has to do with Christ’s relationship to His Father. Even though Christ is the eternal God Himself incarnate, He is still a different person from the Father. As a man and as man’s representative (Son of Man), Jesus’ person was dependent on the Father and, like us, looked to the Father for strength, guidance, wisdom, etc. Therefore, God the Father was the God of Jesus. The Father is the God of the Son, but it doesn’t imply inferiority, only a difference in roles.
Yes, "God" in John 1:1c is qualitative. Even Trinitarian Greek scholars such as Daniel Wallace will agree. Some render it "Goddish" or "God-like".
I need you guys to do debates! I would love to see one. I'm a simpleton and i need to intellectuals to go at it for me to get a better picture.
Thomas praised God that Jesus was alive. Thomas doubted Jesus when he said that he would die, and be raised from the dead on the third day. Doubting Thomas, anyone ever heard that before technically Thomas called Jesus a liar, and did not believe what Jesus said, and when he seen that Jesus, his friend, his teacher was alive he praise God first, and then Jesus had Thomas touch him not to show that he was God, but to show that Jesus, his friend, his teacher is truly alive. It’s not a coming out as God moment folks..
Error in teaching combined with error in translation.
@@aaronsanchez3141 Very true. Their Godman is more important than the truth.
Jacob made a similar statement to Esau "I have seen the face of God"
@@ArtorGrael Does it mean He seen God’s face? I think there’s a term for that personification. Jesus says no man has seen God. And the Bible says God is a Spirit. Do you think that God has a face?
But calling God "love" or calling God "light" is not the same as calling love "God" or calling light "God" right?
It doesn't say "God is the word" or "God is sound".
Doesn't this make a difference?
I appreciate your comment. Yes, this statement is correct: "But calling God "love" or calling God "light" is not the same as calling love "God" or calling light "God" right?"
But I'm saying Trinitarians are trying to introduce equality in the phrase the Word was God, such that the Word = God. If it's equality, then it is the same either way you render it: the Word = God, or God = the Word. My point is that it should not be understood as the Word = God, because to be consistent that would mean God = light, or light = God. Which we know is not true, God is not equal to light, he is more than just light. We should not be trying to make equality out of this particular grammatical construction in John.
Stting aside 'logos theology' look up how the rest of John uses logos, It is to mean a message. The message is God, God is the message.
@@biblicalunitarian I appreciate your answer. But to be completely honest, you did not quite answer me questioning if "God is ..." or "... is God" truely IS the same?
Because for example: "The car is red" or "Red is the car" mean completely different things (unless you speak English like Yoda haha).
But perhaps it's my fault that I did not fully understand your answer.
But I do get it from the video, your comment + the comment below from @artorgrael, and it makes sense to me, that the Word means "the Teachings" or "The message".
Also, I wonder which word for God was being used here?
I know there are so many titles for God, the Godly, divinity, etc. Could it perhaps be I wonder, that it says: The Word/Teaching was Godly/divine?
I have been a Christian since I got baptised in 2016 and I have ALWAYS struggled a with the trinity and that Jesus is God.
It just doesn't make any logical sense to me in many different ways.
That's why I find your channel to be very informative, so thank you!
God bless!
No I do not think "God is..." or "...is God" are saying the same thing, in english. But if they are a statement of equality, like The Father = God and God = the Father, I do think those are interchangeable and mean the same thing in a sense.
Yes, please continue searching out the truth, once I saw the truth of Unitarianism, it became so clear all throughout the Bible. Even if you don't become Unitarian, I appreciate your search of the truth. One thing that became crystal clear to me, was that I began seeing that God is distinguished from Jesus everywhere in the New Testament. Why does Paul introduce every letter with "God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ"? God is just the Father, clearly, to Paul.
@@biblicalunitarian You're totally right, ... is ... can indeed be a statement of equality! Like your example.
So you're basically saying that "the Word was God" is NOT an equality statement. And if it was an equality statement, then why doesn't it say "and the Word IS God"?
Yeah I always noticed it too, here and there, but lately I've been noticing a LOT of things in scripture that seem to contradict the trinity. Thanks for your encouragement, I will try to get to the bottom of this, always in search of Truth and not what's convenient, which is difficult for us all sometimes.
God bless you, greetings!
I think if you compare the syntax of John 20:28 with Rev 4:11 it shows that in John, two people are being addressed (see 1 Chr 29:20).
It shows 1 is being addressed.
Do you think that this form is also correct: "Jesus was a God ". I would like to more about this . Thanks
No, if it should say and the Word was a god, then the Greek should say, "και θεόν ην ο λόγος." In this instance, it would be translated "and the word was a god" because God is not only in that text lacking an article, it also is in the accusative case. However, the real Greek text of John 1:1c says, "και θεός ην ο λόγος." Here, there are two subjects: God and the Word. In this text, Christ is not being reduced to being merely a god, rather he is being said to have all the fullness and qualities of the one and only true God. Please don't degrade Jesus by calling him merely a god.
@@jeremiahreese6396 The Sadhidsi Coptic translation, the earliest trans of the NT uses "a". That language has a indefinite article while Greek does not.
There’s my things to look at that reveal Jesus is God like what he did and said that only God could have done. One thing is forgiving people their sins, which is why it’s stated that only God could forgive sins. He said if you believe not that I am he you shall die in your sins. Which is what God stated in the scriptures. It’s also written that he made himself God, which makes sense because Paul stated that before he was manifested in the flesh that he was in the form of God, John states the same. He also applies the verse from scripture that God said of himself that every knee would bow to him, directly towards Jesus. Which would be a blasphemous thing to do if Jesus wasn’t God. Same thing with creation, stating it was made by him and John also saying that the world was made by him. If that’s true then Jesus is God, because God stated in Isaiah that he alone by himself created the world and everything in it. You have Jesus calling himself the alpha and omega and also the first and the last and that’s what God called himself in scripture. You also have the prophecies that God said what he would do being done by Jesus. So there’s more than enough evidence written to show that Jesus is God. So for anyone denying that is either twisting the word or ignoring many things written which show it
Trinitarians are twisting the word and ignoring the facts. There is only one God, Yahweh. John 17.3.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 👍
@@MichaelTheophilus906 do u ignore all the chapters before this showing Christ deity ? John 17 is a prayer from Jesus to the father John 17:1-2 “These words spake Jesus and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.” Do you think getting to John 17:3 you’re supposed to assume what Jesus said as excluding him from being one with the Father? The Father glorifies the Son and the Son glorifies the Father, would you prefer Jesus glorifies the Father by calling him a false God? Jesus is praying and glorifying the Father who is the one true God but that doesn’t exclude Jesus or the Holy Spirit, not a problem to trinitarians. Jesus is addressing the Father being the one true God because that’s what he truly is, yet we know from the same Bible that the true God exist as more than one person. The trinity is the only true God and each person of the trinity is the only true God. The 3 persons can be addressed as the only true God both individually or collectively. John 17:5 “And now. O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” Who can have the glory of God before the world, give eternal life and not be God?
@@codered6717 you said..... "we know from the same Bible that the true God exist as more than one person. The trinity is the only true God "
Really? is the trinity God. So there are four members, father son HG and trinity...? its a quartet and not a trio? Yes I know im in your face!
Didnt Jesus say "glorify them " and "may they be one in us as we are one? About his followers (us by extrapolation) In other words we are in the godhead too?
Can you not see in your words above ... ."As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he (Jesus) should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him (us).”
GIVEN him power.!! Thats like when Jesus sends out the 70 and "gives them power to heal sick, drive out evil and FORGIVE SINS." Note the word "GIVEN."
Same as Jesus according to Peter is raised and MADE LORD AND ANOINTED. And Jesus said to his followers when he later appeared to them,..... "I have been GIVEN POWER and authority in all heaven and earth! (thats just like Joseph was raised and given all power and authority over Pharaohs kingdom. And Joseph wasnt Pharaoh... WHY JOSEPH WASNT EVEN AN EGYPTIAN!! So in that foreshadow we see a servant being given power by one higher. No need to already be king, or God.)
@@ken440”I’m in your face” like calm down buddy lol pretty sure you’re a troll, you know I don’t think the trinity is another person in the Godhead, it’s to describe the triune nature of God. Hebrews 2:9 “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”Philippians 2:6-7 “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.” Did any of those people receive worship like Jesus ? God the Father sends God the Son who, while remaining fully divine, also takes on a complete human nature as the Messiah, Jesus Christ. He comes lowly as a servant and faces the humiliation of the cross. Jesus, in His humanity as the Messiah, the suffering servant, is then granted heavenly glory that we who are in Him can one day share after our own days of humble suffering, that doesn’t make us the Godhead. “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” What glory did Jesus have before the world ? Hebrews 1:3 “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.” Isaiah 42:8 “I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.” In acts 2:36 made means appointed not created
My brother, what are looking for to make you understand? The Bible has told you in John 1:1 and 20:28 that Lord Jesus is God. What will make you understand rather than blinding yourself refusing to believe. You are making things up and nothing will convince you because you put your own interpretation. Your way of interpretation in John 1:1 is wrong. This verse actually shows you that there are Two Persons here being indicated; God the Father and God the Son. The Word is Lord Jesus Christ who is God the Son. The was with God who is the Father, and the Word was God who is God the Son. The Third Person is the Holy Spirit who is not mentioned here. So there are Three Persons in One God. Don't confuse yourself my friend because you're making yourself blind when the answer is clear. Stop making your own interpretation from your head
What does it matter? The church is made up of people who believe Jesus is the Christ. It doesn’t matter if Jesus is God or not.
Please help me :
Show me a scripture that shows God is three persons but one God.
Show me a verse that talks about God the Son or God the Holy Ghost.
Show me a verse where people pray to God the Holy Ghost.
I rebuke you brother, I read the bible cover to cover and the poor pro trinitarian translations, In NT contradicts the OT and the first Commandment, there's a lot of confusion due to poor translation. Do yourself a favor and it might save you, read their REV Bible with commentary and the original text Greek in Bible Hub, even Jesus explicitly states in John 17:3 God is the only true God. The trinity is a tradition that promotes idolatry.
Jesus is god. But not the one true and most high God who alone is Yah the father.
Trinitarian scholars agree that John 1 does not show , teach , explain a trinity. Google it.
Even if Jesus had said word-for-word "I am the Lord God Almighty", -Biblical- Unitarians would explain it away...: _"Oh, that's just the Lord God Almighty speaking through a created human being."_
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The man Christ Jesus is not a _creation_ created by the Father. The man Christ Jesus is the genuinely human _manifestation_ of the Father himself.
*1 TIMOTHY 3:16 (KJV)*
And without controversy *great* is the *mystery* of godliness: *GOD was manifest in the flesh,* justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
God was justified?
Compare that passage to Romans 8
Romans 8: 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
Now do you see why this is the mystery of godliness? Jesus os the firstborn of many brethren, the first to be justified and glorified.
@@Eclectifying _>>> "God was justified?"_
Yes, God was justified - i.e., shown to be righteous. He delivered on his promise to lay down his own life for us, which he did by "coming down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and manifesting _himself_ on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son. And after he shed his blood and died on the cross, he delivered on his promise to raise _himself_ from the dead (John 2:19), and now gives eternal life to all who believe on _him_ ...the loving, self-sacrificing, and only true God, whose name is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
@@euston2216 >and manifesting himself on earth in genuine human form, as his own Son
um... that doesnt sound like a son to me
@@euston2216 You don't believe God laid down his life you believe God the Son did. That is only one person of the God. The other two did not. So you are misleading.
Remember Lord Jesus was true God and true Man. He had two natures and when He refers to Himself as Son of Man, He is referring to His nature
And when was the Two Natures doctrine introduced?
It never was . Man made it up
Jesus spoke both according to the flesh and the spirit
"son of Man" is a reference to Daniel, the son of Man comes before the true God, his Father--the Ancient of Days. Read a little slower please in Daniel.
@@marktravis5162 Jesus was human on earth . If he was divine , how did he die . Since you say Jesus was was fully man and fully divine , how did he die .