Might as well. Good thing he didn't go for the usual position and pander to American (mis)pronunciations, and if it upsets Russians, well nobody who isn't Russian cares there either.
The M2 Heavy Machinegun should get an honorable, since it first entered service in 1933 and still service, and no plans to retire it. It is also designed by John Browning.
MG42, 80+ years old and still being used today. Albeit re-chambered for NATO rounds and now called MG3. Still basically the same machine gun and still one of the very best.
The Soviets left 32,000 M1910 Maxim Guns chambered in 7.62X54R in Ukraine. They have seen quite a bit of use during the war. From holding static positions in rural areas early in the war to dual mounted guns on trucks hunting drones. In the latter role, some have been fitted with night vision & thermal scopes.
I was thinking the same. It really was missing from this list. It is probably the most prevalent 100 year old weapon still in use. It is still mounted on countless vehicles in the American military as well as in all around the world.
@@donwyoming1936 "donated" Ahh Don, you and your drugs, lol We will NEVER EVER see any of our equipment again (much of which has already been found on the black market) NOR will we ever reap the benefits of freely handing 200 billion of taxpayer dollars to a NON-Nato country that hated US VERY recently.
M1911-A1. In .45ACP. I've been associated with it for 51 years. I sleep with one by my side at night. Dad used one in WWII and as a civilian advisor and leader of special gurilla units in the Laotian Civil War. One of my brothers used one in the Vietnam War. Some of my sons from Marine Corps combat experience carry them.
The first thing that jumped into my mind when I read the title, the knife. Whether wielded in hand or mounted as a bayonette, the versatility of knives has kept them in use for millennia. Also, "technically" HMS Victory is the oldest ship still in service. I stress "technically" because Britain stretches the term "in service" considering she is in permanent dry dock.
That would be HMS Unicorn, launched in 1824 but retired from naval service in 1964. She is preserved as a museum ship in Dundee, Scotland and is still afloat.
Another great video Simon, just one thing though, HMS Victory was launched in 1765 and is still on active Royal Navy service, making it the world's oldest naval ship still in commission, with 245 years' service as of 2023.
@@SubduedRadical I guess it makes for a better video actually being able to show it in sail. Still would have been good to see the Victory get a mention though. Purely to point out its historical value. Good video none the less 😊
I read somewhere that the British Army had some old ones and millions of rounds of ammunition left so they decided to fire one gun continuously to see how long it would last. I can't remember exactly but 'a week' would not be overstating it.
If there is ever war in Germany, you will have to add the Kar89 Rifle. They are still popular as hunting weapons and there's a surprising number of them legally in civilian hands.
I visited the USS Constitution during a road trip as a child. There's nothing quite like touring an active military ship that's almost as old as the United States itself. It's a truly unparalleled experience.
Went to OCS (Officer Candidate School) in Rhode Island (US Navy) and one of the coolest things we got to do before we "graduated"/commissioned was go to Boston and get a tour (I suppose a VIP one, at that) of the USS Constitution. Was amazing, honestly. Definitely a nice break from...all the other stuff we were doing after those first two months of training, lol
My dad had a Mosin-Nagant as his service rifle in the army, because we hadn't adopted our own assault rifle yet. Even today our snipers have rifles made from those old Mosin-Nagants (with fancy new stocks, scopes, etc.) The action works, the cartridge is available and does its job, and with a good barrel and optics, it can be accurate.
@@fightline4741 Assault rifles are a thing. Specifically, a select-fire rifle chambered in an intermediate cartridge. You're confusing "assault rifle" with "assault weapon", which roughly means "any gun a politician is currently afraid of".
@@robertc.9503 no assault rifle is a made-up term by the left you go back 10 years and you say that to somebody and they will look at you like you're stupid
@@fightline4741 The term "assault rifle" has literally been around for 79 years at this point, ever since Germany introduced the SturmGewehr 44, which translates to "Assault Rifle 44". It kind of makes me wonder how old you are, if you think that 10 years ago nobody ever heard the term assault rifle... 🙄
I've been on Old Ironsides during a tour. You have no idea how small it is, it's amazing. The sides were made from Swamp Oak from the Southern US and cannonballs bounced off the sides. One sailor remarked "those sides are built of iron" hence the nickname.
It's size is also what struck me. Granted it's been many years since I've seen it but the one thing that sticks out in my memory was just how small it is.
I would like to point out that the rifle pictures at 1:29 is a Finnish M39, rebarreled and using an improved follower, better stock and sighted for a 200 grain bullet, but based on a Mosin Nagant three line rifle model 1891. I own one of those Finnish rifles. The follower assembly was made in 1906, at the Tula arsenal. I can see why most may make the mistake, but yes, totally based on the model 1891.
The last B-52 rolled off the line when JFK was still alive. Also, USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship /afloat/, Whistler's homeland has the oldest commissioned warship -- HMS Victory was launched in 1765 and is not only still a part of the Royal Navy, she's also nominally the flagship of the First Sea Lord (which is the British name for "Chief of Staff of the Navy") , but has been high and dry on blocks for a hundred years.
Yes, she's older than Old Ironsides, but she'll never float again, much less sail. So if a ship can no longer sail, can it be said to be a weapon still in use? Sure, the Constitution will never see battle again, but she's mobile.
@@allangibson8494 Heard a story that she took a U-Boat's surrender once. Can't remember the details but they just looked for the first ship with a Navy ensign on it and that happened to be the Unicorn.
2:25 The 7.62x54R is NOT rimfire, it is center fire, R for rimmed means it has an obsolete protruding rim as in the case doesn't indent inwards to allow the rim to be flush with the case like more modern rounds.
Technically true, but largely irrelevant. She's been in dry dock for over a hundred years now, after being stuck there because she was so rotten that doing anything else would have caused her to break apart 🤔
@@ChurchNietzsche She was briefly refloated in 1929, but will almost certainly never float again. Thus making her the oldest commissioned warship, tying up the oldest drydock still in active use.
Well here is couple of things that stood out. 1. 7.62X54 R is rimmed not rim-fire round. It's still a center-fire round. 2. 1911 wasn't even close to being a first self loading pistol or even the first one with the slide. Generally it's agreed that first practical self loading pistol was C93 Borchard later to be improved upon by Georg Luger. 3. Baretta 92 series took more influence from German WWII Walther P38 then 1911. Considering its one of the few pistols that doesn't sport iconic Browning's tilting barrel action like Glock does for example.
C&Rsenal has a great video on the Mosin that shows how weird of a design it really is and how despite being really suboptimal they persist because they just doubled down and made so damn many.
Interestingly, my dad (World War II) marine hated the 1911 and claimed it was only accurate if thrown at an opponent. He swapped his for an M1 carbine the first chance he got, even though a carbine might not be the easiest weapon to deal with inside and armored vehichle.
When I was with the German army we said about the Walther P1 "8 warning shots and 1 deadly throw. More if you do an emergency disassambly." I wasn't really able to hit anything with it but it was still given one when on guard post duty in the barracks. Apparently the replacement P8 was a lot better but we never got any. We also still had the G3 instead of the G36 but I didn't mind that so much. At least I could hit something with the thing. Liked the MG3 the most out of our infantry weapons except when having to carry it around. But we were a motorized mortar campany. I mean we still had M113s which the maintance absolutely hated because of the whole inch vs. mm thing.
The M1911 was a horrible general issue pistol. Few troops could shoot it accurately enough to save their lives. That's if it didn't jam in the process. Carrying cocked & locked lead to thousands of negligent discharges over the years causing not only troops getting busted, but serious injury & death.
@@donwyoming1936 yeah I don’t know about any of that. 7 yards was what they were trained at anything past that becomes less accurate. Negligent discharge is on the user not the firearm (sans that shitty Japanese gun). I had 4 great uncles and my grandfather in WW2 none of them ever said anything bad about the 1911
@@MeatHarmonica I was an armorer for my battalion for the last 8 months of my tour in West Germany. The 1911s were just about the most reviled weapon in the armory. The officers hated trying to qualify with them. There was a reason the military went with the Beretta.
First of all, love the content. But are the audio levels on this very low? Going from other videos in my watch later queue, I can barely hear this one at the same volume.
First rifle i ever shot, still one of my favorites for no particular reason except its a hell of a round, cheap and still fun to spend. All purpose can only be ascribed to .22 and 12 gauge in the same way. Love my .308 but it hits different.
The Mighty Mosin. When you absolutely, positively need to blast one guy, light the guy next to him on fire, deafen everyone in the next room, and shatter every window in the house before using it to pole-vault out of one & escape the scene of the crime.
@b22chris No. Rimfire refers to the location of the primer, Rimmed just means it has a rim. The Mosin-Nagant shoots 7.62 by 54R, which is a rimmed, Centerfire cartridge.
One of my favorite handguns, the C96 has served in mainland China for 70 years. The new variant is albeit baded on the M712 variant, and in the 7.62x25mm tokarev round, but still serviceable. Also little side note, the Chinese also made a .45 acp variant called the Type 17. It's larger obviously, but the neat part is that the recoil was greater, so they had to fire it from the side, in what is sometimes called a 'gangster grip'.
In the backwoods of southern Indiana there is a secret stand of oak trees, named "Constitution Grove," which the US Navy maintains in order to perform future repairs to the USS Constitution.
I love my Mosin Nagant. A previous commenter is correct, it is a rimmed center fire cartridge and not a rim fire cartridge. Huge difference. When you consider that the 7.62 x 54r cartridge has the about the same performance as the American 30-06, British 303 and the 8 mm Mauser used byy the Germans, all of which are still in use today, it should not be surprising that the sturdy, well designed, Mosin Nagant is still in use.
While not as old as the Mosin or M1911, I know that the Carl Gustav Recoiless Rifle, BOFORS 40mm and the RPG-7 will continue to get use into the future.
@@Rubix003 Nope. Large anti-tank/materiel rifles existed prior to the Boys rifle, and they do not share any other similarities, with the Boys being a bolt-action and the M82 being a short-recoil semi-auto. If you want to get down to it, the great-granddaddy of all large anti-materiel rifles is the German Mauser 1918 T-Gewehr, which was fielded just before the end of WWI.
I've had an 1891, 1933, and now a 43. I replaced my 43 91/30's sights with some nice peep sights and it's a nice plinker. Shame the ammo price skyrocketed years ago.
Simo Häyhä aka The White Death .. used an Iron sight Finnish sniper variant ... he averaged 5 kills a day, and his peak was 25 ... he didn't count if they were not confirmed dead, or if others shot at them at the same time ...
I know the world's oldest commissioned naval ship is the HMS Victory, Admiral Nelson's flag ship at the battle of Trafalgar. But it is purely purely commissioned in the Royal Navy as a honourary / ceremonial title. It does not leave the historic dockyard museum in Portsmouth and has effectively been completely rebuilt through maintenance programs. But there is a interesting tour you can do of the ship for anyone who is interested.
Another interesting fact about Old Ironsides is that all her guns are very much in operational order and she is loaded with power and canon balls that can be used in those guns.
One thing the Simon doesn't get into is that many of the "newer" versions of the M1891 Mosin Nagant such as Finnish Versions, the m91/30 from Russia, etc. were first built on the original model's receivers. So, there are likely rifles still seeing action who's receivers were built in 1800's! One of my favorite rifles I own is an M1891 built by New England Westinghouse in America. it has Russian/Soviet markings as well as FInnish markings and a Finnish Civil Guard unit number on the stock!
I still remember the day it left port again in 1997… cause my family was visiting Washington DC and had planned to tour the ship that day. Honestly missing it was probably more memorable than actually touring it would have been 😂
Simon needs more weapon videos and he needs to hire these commenters. I’m quite educated in martial tools and these comments are lovely and at times beyond me.
I picked up a surplus Mosin Nagant years back. I cleaned it up, went to the range, and put the first three rounds that rifle had seen in decades into a sub 1 inch grouping at 100 yards, with the iron sites. If it ain't broke...
You had a whole PERSON??? OHHhhh, I see, you meant RIFLE. Sorry, for a second there we thought you were just a 12 year old playing video games in moms basement.
The Mosin Nagant was optimised for accuracy with the bayonet fitted. Without the bayonet, barrel resonance ruins the second shot accuracy. Lee Enfield’s have the same problem if the barrel is free floated - it needs 2lb of upforce on the muzzle to achieve best accuracy (and sporterized Lee Enfield’s are crap as a direct result). Tuned Lee Enfield’s often have a piece of card under the barrel to achieve this.
@@allangibson8494 Huh. Fascinating. Sold the Nagant ages ago, but ... As luck would have it, an old smle just fell into my lap. I'll have to check that out. Thanks!
Thinking the same, bit of an audio difference between the main video and the sponsor plug. Can only imagine what adds would be like too if I didn't pay for UA-cam
The Mosin Nagant dates from 1891. Military issue telescopic sights date from WW1 - because the rifles weren’t accurate enough or long ranged enough to need them before that.
Please make a part 2. We need the inclusion of the m2 .50 cal machine gun, the ppsh, and the probably the m16 lineage of rifles. Been in service for over 60 years
Which sort of explains its presence in the videogame Fallout 4, where it is lodged *above* Boston Harbor. 😁The one ship I have boarded in real life *and* in a simulation. Funnily enough the game makes a big deal of the Freedom Trail too, but doesn't show the Constitution as being along it.
I’ll always remember the USS Constitution from an 80s GI Joe cartoon where Cobra had a weapon that would disable all electrical functions on opposing ships and only the Constitution was able to get in range to attack.
You forgot the the Browning M2 aka Maduse it was adopted in in 1929 and is still is active service with militaries around the world to this day and has done so with little to no change to its design
The weird thing about modern warfare is that the combination of body armor and and the vulnerability of armored personnel carriers to anti tank missiles makes large caliber bolt action rifles not as obsolete as they used to be.
The British 'Gimpy' General Purpose Machine gun has been in service since 1958 and after being temporarily replaced it has been reintroduced since 2019. I had a friend at boarding school who was British and his father was in the RAF seconded to USAF to fly B52s. He lived in Nebraska for a few years. My friend said they often flew across the Atlantic with certain brands of US foods in the bomb bays that couldn't be bought in the UK at the time. 😉
Oh boy Simon. You forgot the Maxim machine gun on your list. Make sure you get it in your next one. It predates the mosin by 8 years and is also still in use around the world
The top picture inthe thumbnail is labelled “1882”, 8 years before the first mosin-nagant was issued. It depicts a scoped rifle, and the Red Army did not equip rifles with scopes until the 1930s. The soldier firing it is wearing a pilotka (cap) which was not issued until the beginning of the Great Patriotic War.
Compare to other older rifles use in WWI and WWII, the interesting part of the Mosin is the more logistic aspect. Unlike the older weapons such as the Lee Enfield, Karabiner 98K or Arisaka Type 99, their old cartridges are not use in the military anymore but the 7.62x54mmR is still being manufactured and use in modern Russian weapons such as the PKM series machine guns, Dragunov SVD, SV-98 sniper rifles, etc. This means the Mosin as well as other older WWI and WWII Russian weapons use in Ukraine such as the SVT rifle, DP28 light machine gun, RP46 machine gun, Winchester Model 1895 and the PM M1910 machine gun can use the 7.62x54mmR, still making them viable weapons. Plus they are fighting the Russians meanings they can use the same ammunition supply, simplifying the logistics even further.
Admiral Lord Nelson's flagship at Trafalgar, HMS Victory, is the oldest commissioned ship in the world. It is in drydock in Portsmouth. The USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned ship afloat. It is based at the Charlestown Naval Yard in Boston.
Mosin Nagant *had to be* first on this list. Even the Brown Bess wasn't in service for 130 years. As far as I know, no other weapon since the introduction of gunpowder to the West has a longer service life. And I own one: it's heavy, but accurate enough and reliable enough to serve second-line troops even today. Yes, it lacks ammunition capacity (the SMLE had double the capacity just two years later), yes it's slow(ish) to reload, yes, it's long and ungainly (especially with bayonet fixed, and the zero changes very significantly without bayonet -- and these are *always* zeroed with bayonet as they come from the arsenals or out of surplus crates). But it's got power equal to a 7.62x51 NATO, can be tuned to reliably hit targets the size of a couple men out to 900+ meters, and as you said, it just f***ing works. Mine came from the Izhevsk arsenal in 1942 and almost certainly saw service on the front lines turning Hitler's troops away from Stalingrad. Thumbs up for the Mosin Nagant!
Re US M1911/1911A1 vs M1917 S&W and Colt .45 ACP revolvers: "inaccurate"? NOPE. Gen Mark Clark cited the M1917's excellent accuracy as his reason for declining a 1911 and keeping his M1917 through WWII. Lest you presume that I'm down on the 1911, I'm more like down WITH it, having earned my Distinguished Pistol badge with the rack grade 1911A1s issued during that period, and carried a highly refined 1911 on duty under my other (law enf) hat. As well, that is, as the 1917's descendant, the S&W M625-8 JM. So as far as love/hate and the .45 ACP go, I'm pretty much ambivalent. And don't forget that wondrous invention, the .45 Auto Rim cartridge.
I have a few of the firearms you feature as well as several lever actions older than that and a couple of Remington Rolling Blocks. All work just fine for what you want them to do. My old Sharps will still ring steel at 1,000 yrds long before the modern bolt actions and new cartridges were invented. As for the 1911, you don't know how a semi-automatic pistol feels "right" in your hand until you handle one of Mr. Brownings handguns. I still like my older revolvers, though. I bought my first Mosin for $69 out of a barrel at the lgs. Great rifle. Even took a whitetail with it.
Fun fact: You can join the US Navy as a forest ranger, because the Navy owns a white oak forest solely in order to source new timber for the Constitution's maintenance.
If you were going to include a browning design it probably would have been a better choice to pick the Browning M2 Machine gun since that isn't just still in military service it is the DEFAULT heavy machine gun for all branches of the United States Armed Forces.
An idea for a movie. Aliens disable all modern tecnology, and the Constitution is the only ship available to go somewhere in the world to retrieve a macguffin capable of push the alliens back
Fantastic list! There'll be are some great additions to the list in further comments. Perhaps Simon's great capitalist heart may look at doing a 'Commenter edition' video using said suggestions. Here's two for you: 1. The Black Dragon artillery (as covered on Megaprojects), and 2. The Olympias. The Olympias is a bit of a reach for this list. Launched in 1987, it is a commissioned ship in the Hellenic navy. HOWEVER. Its a recreation of... an Athenian trireme. The same type as ones that fought in the Persian Wars of 483BC. Made using (as close as possible to) period accurate methods and yes, it has eyes on it as well... as the 200kg bronze battering ram. Much like the USS Constitution, its used as a parade ship only. Though unlike the Constitution, it has never fired in anger... Greek fire or otherwise!
To the best of my knowledge, there is no such cartridge as the 50 MBG. The 50 BMG for 50 caliber Browning Machine Gun. Just like the 45 ACP is the 45 Colt Automatic Pistol. I've always felt the Short Magazine Lee-Enfield, SMLE was a much better rifle than the Mosin-Nagant. With the Ishapore 2A1 variant still in limited service to this day, I'd think the Enfield should have been given at least an honorable mention.
Some custom 1911’s go for much more than $5,000. A stock, over the counter Model typical runs $500 to $1,200. A decent high-end model starts at $2,300 or more. A 1911 from Ed Brown, Les Baer or Wilson Combat will cost $3,000 to $5,000 for base models without any special custom work.
The Winchester’s in the Russo Turkish war really had almost no role in the siege of Plevna often sited as the impetus for nation’s adopting repeaters. It was really good use of the Martini Henry that made the difference. The latest C&Rsenal Peabody Martini episode goes into detail. But the repeaters are sexier and Russia needed a better reason than good defenders and poor tactics.
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Simon being almost completely formal.... it's a little strange after watching Brain Blaze ❤️😂
Bro, the audio is so low its almost inaudible on max volume.
vols terrible low as usual you really need fix that soon
11:11 The B52 can do 8,800 Miles, that sure a hell doesn't equal 14.16 Kilometres ??????????????
@@justinpyle3415 Yes, audio is low. Please fix this Team 👍
there's no way to pronounce Mosin Nagant that people won't be angry about. So Simon decided to anger everyone.
Might as well. Good thing he didn't go for the usual position and pander to American (mis)pronunciations, and if it upsets Russians, well nobody who isn't Russian cares there either.
There is though and the way he said it was wrong…😂
Moist nugget
@@bensmith4563 moistend nougat
Or call it by it's most fitting nickname- The Garbage Rod
2:27: The 7.62x54mmR is NOT a rimfire cartridge. Its rimmed, but its a centerfire cartridge with a discrete primer.
Come on, this is UA-cam, not a documentary.
Sure is, but in Simon's defense, he's only reading a script and the vast majority couldn't tell the difference in a 7.62r to a 7.92. Cheers
Blame the ignorant American researchers and scriptwriters and editors. Simon just reads the scriptsl
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They can't be American, we probably own more Mosins than Russia now. I've owned 3 over the years.
@@Hillbilly001So I can question everything what he is reading?
The M2 Heavy Machinegun should get an honorable, since it first entered service in 1933 and still service, and no plans to retire it. It is also designed by John Browning.
The humble "rock" (sometimes called a "stone") is perhaps the oldest weapon still in use today.
also, the human fist lol
And Mr. Stick
@@The_Blazement Evolution says were currently on the mk800,000,000 fist. Still in use today.
The rock. Popular not just with the hairless great ape but several other enhabitants of Sols 3rd planet.
One must not forget the humble hand grenade.
Remember, when the pin has been pulled, Mr hand grenade is not your friend.
MG42, 80+ years old and still being used today. Albeit re-chambered for NATO rounds and now called MG3. Still basically the same machine gun and still one of the very best.
I wish cold Duty would add the
MG3 to Modern Warfare 2
Bad Company 2 had an absolutely wicked MG3
The Maxim machine gun is still being used in Ukraine.
The Soviets left 32,000 M1910 Maxim Guns chambered in 7.62X54R in Ukraine. They have seen quite a bit of use during the war. From holding static positions in rural areas early in the war to dual mounted guns on trucks hunting drones. In the latter role, some have been fitted with night vision & thermal scopes.
Hitlers buzzsaw did not and will ot disappoint... First use at the alliedes, than for the allieds.
Just like hitlers V-rocket programme
The M-2 browning.50 machine gun . Is over 100 years old, was the main stay of WW2 combat on land,air and sea. And is still feared today
I was thinking the same. It really was missing from this list. It is probably the most prevalent 100 year old weapon still in use. It is still mounted on countless vehicles in the American military as well as in all around the world.
Almost every US vehicle donated to Ukraine comes with an M2 mounted. The old girl is still chugging away with no sign of stopping.
@@donwyoming1936 "donated" Ahh Don, you and your drugs, lol We will NEVER EVER see any of our equipment again (much of which has already been found on the black market) NOR will we ever reap the benefits of freely handing 200 billion of taxpayer dollars to a NON-Nato country that hated US VERY recently.
@@donwyoming1936 Hey! "Old girl"? Have some respect for your Ma Deuce.
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@@ilearnedsomethingnewtoday6193 Simon did a video on that alone! It was longer than this one!
Gotta loves Simon's ability to pronounce words.
"ability"
he is british, what do you expect
Listen to the casual criminalist or decoding the unknown and you’ll really see him get out to the test 😂
I said the same thing is that how people in Europe say Mosin-Nagant but I guess not
@@armybrother81 I limit myself to 12 channels per host.
M1911-A1. In .45ACP. I've been associated with it for 51 years. I sleep with one by my side at night. Dad used one in WWII and as a civilian advisor and leader of special gurilla units in the Laotian Civil War. One of my brothers used one in the Vietnam War. Some of my sons from Marine Corps combat experience carry them.
My friend carried one at his gay marriage
The first thing that jumped into my mind when I read the title, the knife. Whether wielded in hand or mounted as a bayonette, the versatility of knives has kept them in use for millennia.
Also, "technically" HMS Victory is the oldest ship still in service. I stress "technically" because Britain stretches the term "in service" considering she is in permanent dry dock.
Yes. ... but Simon uses the term "Ship Still Afloat" ... drydock, is not floating
I'm a caveman when it comes to weapons. My brain immediately said, "Big Stick."
@Unknown I believe a "big stick" could also be called a bat, baton, staff, etc.
That would be HMS Unicorn, launched in 1824 but retired from naval service in 1964.
She is preserved as a museum ship in Dundee, Scotland and is still afloat.
@@Ninja_Geek Yes, the humble but highly effective Big Stick has had many forms. 👌
Another great video Simon, just one thing though, HMS Victory was launched in 1765 and is still on active Royal Navy service, making it the world's oldest naval ship still in commission, with 245 years' service as of 2023.
However she is permanently in Dry Dock
@@ZAV1944 irrelevant. She’s still commissioned.
@@blackadder8691 True, but he did say "afloat".
@@SubduedRadical I guess it makes for a better video actually being able to show it in sail. Still would have been good to see the Victory get a mention though. Purely to point out its historical value. Good video none the less 😊
The armour and weapons of the Swiss guard of the Vatican date to the 1500’s, allegedly.
The Maxim machine gun has been in use since 1886. Now that’s a machine worthy of being on this list.
Right? My favorite version of it is the dual maxim with red dot optics featured on Brandon Herreras 'weird guns in Ukraine' video.
I read somewhere that the British Army had some old ones and millions of rounds of ammunition left so they decided to fire one gun continuously to see how long it would last. I can't remember exactly but 'a week' would not be overstating it.
0:34 m991 Mosin-Nagant rifle
4:08 sponsorship
5:22 Colt M1911 pistol
9:05 B-52 stratofortress
12:34 old ironsides USS Constitution
You got the rest?
If there is ever war in Germany, you will have to add the Kar89 Rifle. They are still popular as hunting weapons and there's a surprising number of them legally in civilian hands.
The pistol being shot at 6:23 isn't a m1911. It's a Browning high-power.
Oh... No blades were talked about.
I visited the USS Constitution during a road trip as a child. There's nothing quite like touring an active military ship that's almost as old as the United States itself. It's a truly unparalleled experience.
Went to OCS (Officer Candidate School) in Rhode Island (US Navy) and one of the coolest things we got to do before we "graduated"/commissioned was go to Boston and get a tour (I suppose a VIP one, at that) of the USS Constitution. Was amazing, honestly. Definitely a nice break from...all the other stuff we were doing after those first two months of training, lol
Its a standard field trip in NE Connecticut; pretty cool.
You should try HMS victory, it's even older and still in service. Once again, @sideprojects was wrong
@@SomeGuyCalledJ But does she still sail? The Constitution does on occasion.
My dad had a Mosin-Nagant as his service rifle in the army, because we hadn't adopted our own assault rifle yet. Even today our snipers have rifles made from those old Mosin-Nagants (with fancy new stocks, scopes, etc.) The action works, the cartridge is available and does its job, and with a good barrel and optics, it can be accurate.
my dad had one for moose hunting.
Good luck adopting that assault rifle let me know when you find one because they don't exist
@@fightline4741 Assault rifles are a thing. Specifically, a select-fire rifle chambered in an intermediate cartridge.
You're confusing "assault rifle" with "assault weapon", which roughly means "any gun a politician is currently afraid of".
@@robertc.9503 no assault rifle is a made-up term by the left you go back 10 years and you say that to somebody and they will look at you like you're stupid
@@fightline4741 The term "assault rifle" has literally been around for 79 years at this point, ever since Germany introduced the SturmGewehr 44, which translates to "Assault Rifle 44".
It kind of makes me wonder how old you are, if you think that 10 years ago nobody ever heard the term assault rifle...
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I've been on Old Ironsides during a tour. You have no idea how small it is, it's amazing. The sides were made from Swamp Oak from the Southern US and cannonballs bounced off the sides. One sailor remarked "those sides are built of iron" hence the nickname.
It's size is also what struck me. Granted it's been many years since I've seen it but the one thing that sticks out in my memory was just how small it is.
I would like to point out that the rifle pictures at 1:29 is a Finnish M39, rebarreled and using an improved follower, better stock and sighted for a 200 grain bullet, but based on a Mosin Nagant three line rifle model 1891. I own one of those Finnish rifles. The follower assembly was made in 1906, at the Tula arsenal. I can see why most may make the mistake, but yes, totally based on the model 1891.
The last B-52 rolled off the line when JFK was still alive. Also, USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship /afloat/, Whistler's homeland has the oldest commissioned warship -- HMS Victory was launched in 1765 and is not only still a part of the Royal Navy, she's also nominally the flagship of the First Sea Lord (which is the British name for "Chief of Staff of the Navy") , but has been high and dry on blocks for a hundred years.
Yes, she's older than Old Ironsides, but she'll never float again, much less sail. So if a ship can no longer sail, can it be said to be a weapon still in use? Sure, the Constitution will never see battle again, but she's mobile.
HMS Unicorn (1824) is still afloat but was retired from navy service in 1964.
Dry dock for how long 🤣 HMS Victory is in dry dock being restored.
@@allangibson8494 Heard a story that she took a U-Boat's surrender once. Can't remember the details but they just looked for the first ship with a Navy ensign on it and that happened to be the Unicorn.
I actually carry a Colt .45 with me everyday when I'm not at work. It's an amazing pistol that just works and still looks damn fine as well.
2:25 The 7.62x54R is NOT rimfire, it is center fire, R for rimmed means it has an obsolete protruding rim as in the case doesn't indent inwards to allow the rim to be flush with the case like more modern rounds.
I own an M39 Finnish Mosin Nagant. This rifle is a tack driver using surplus Russian ammo. Next to my Swedish Mauser M38 it is my favorite rifle.
I believe HMS Victory is still the flagship of the Royal Navy. It was launched in 1765.
I was going to say that, she is still a commissioned ship in the Royal Navy.
Technically true, but largely irrelevant. She's been in dry dock for over a hundred years now, after being stuck there because she was so rotten that doing anything else would have caused her to break apart 🤔
Does she float? When was the last time she floated?
@@ChurchNietzsche She was briefly refloated in 1929, but will almost certainly never float again. Thus making her the oldest commissioned warship, tying up the oldest drydock still in active use.
@@tehfiredog Yeah, but it’s not very likely that Old Ironsides will go out to battle any time soon either …
Well here is couple of things that stood out.
1. 7.62X54 R is rimmed not rim-fire round. It's still a center-fire round.
2. 1911 wasn't even close to being a first self loading pistol or even the first one with the slide. Generally it's agreed that first practical self loading pistol was C93 Borchard later to be improved upon by Georg Luger.
3. Baretta 92 series took more influence from German WWII Walther P38 then 1911. Considering its one of the few pistols that doesn't sport iconic Browning's tilting barrel action like Glock does for example.
C&Rsenal has a great video on the Mosin that shows how weird of a design it really is and how despite being really suboptimal they persist because they just doubled down and made so damn many.
thats literally every russian weapon in existence.
this video is unwatchable without closed captions. There's no volume except for ads.
Interestingly, my dad (World War II) marine hated the 1911 and claimed it was only accurate if thrown at an opponent. He swapped his for an M1 carbine the first chance he got, even though a carbine might not be the easiest weapon to deal with inside and armored vehichle.
Some people just don’t shoot pistols well and that’s ok.
When I was with the German army we said about the Walther P1 "8 warning shots and 1 deadly throw. More if you do an emergency disassambly."
I wasn't really able to hit anything with it but it was still given one when on guard post duty in the barracks.
Apparently the replacement P8 was a lot better but we never got any. We also still had the G3 instead of the G36 but I didn't mind that so much. At least I could hit something with the thing.
Liked the MG3 the most out of our infantry weapons except when having to carry it around.
But we were a motorized mortar campany. I mean we still had M113s which the maintance absolutely hated because of the whole inch vs. mm thing.
The M1911 was a horrible general issue pistol. Few troops could shoot it accurately enough to save their lives. That's if it didn't jam in the process. Carrying cocked & locked lead to thousands of negligent discharges over the years causing not only troops getting busted, but serious injury & death.
@@donwyoming1936 yeah I don’t know about any of that. 7 yards was what they were trained at anything past that becomes less accurate. Negligent discharge is on the user not the firearm (sans that shitty Japanese gun). I had 4 great uncles and my grandfather in WW2 none of them ever said anything bad about the 1911
@@MeatHarmonica I was an armorer for my battalion for the last 8 months of my tour in West Germany. The 1911s were just about the most reviled weapon in the armory. The officers hated trying to qualify with them. There was a reason the military went with the Beretta.
First of all, love the content.
But are the audio levels on this very low?
Going from other videos in my watch later queue, I can barely hear this one at the same volume.
Same here. It's not first time too, audio level being too different from video to video and even within video from sponsor spot to rest of the video.
0:40 - Chapter 1 - M1891 Mosin nagant rifle
4:10 - Mid roll ads
5:25 - Chapter 2 - Colt M1911 Pistol
9:10 - Chapter 3 - B52 stratofortress
12:40 - Chapter 4 - Old ironsides USS constitution
First rifle i ever shot, still one of my favorites for no particular reason except its a hell of a round, cheap and still fun to spend. All purpose can only be ascribed to .22 and 12 gauge in the same way. Love my .308 but it hits different.
The Mighty Mosin.
When you absolutely, positively need to blast one guy, light the guy next to him on fire, deafen everyone in the next room, and shatter every window in the house before using it to pole-vault out of one & escape the scene of the crime.
2:26 it's just a rimmed cartridge, not a rimfire.
What’s the difference?
Is rimmed cartridge for revolvers?
@b22chris No. Rimfire refers to the location of the primer, Rimmed just means it has a rim. The Mosin-Nagant shoots 7.62 by 54R, which is a rimmed, Centerfire cartridge.
@@Reldez_1 gotcha. Appreciate the explanation friend
One of my favorite handguns, the C96 has served in mainland China for 70 years. The new variant is albeit baded on the M712 variant, and in the 7.62x25mm tokarev round, but still serviceable. Also little side note, the Chinese also made a .45 acp variant called the Type 17. It's larger obviously, but the neat part is that the recoil was greater, so they had to fire it from the side, in what is sometimes called a 'gangster grip'.
Do not forget the FN High Power was also based on a Browning design and variants are still being produced today.
In the backwoods of southern Indiana there is a secret stand of oak trees, named "Constitution Grove," which the US Navy maintains in order to perform future repairs to the USS Constitution.
I love my Mosin Nagant. A previous commenter is correct, it is a rimmed center fire cartridge and not a rim fire cartridge. Huge difference. When you consider that the 7.62 x 54r cartridge has the about the same performance as the American 30-06, British 303 and the 8 mm Mauser used byy the Germans, all of which are still in use today, it should not be surprising that the sturdy, well designed, Mosin Nagant is still in use.
While not as old as the Mosin or M1911, I know that the Carl Gustav Recoiless Rifle, BOFORS 40mm and the RPG-7 will continue to get use into the future.
The WW2 Boys Rifle is the grandfather of the Barrett M82.
@@Rubix003 Nope. Large anti-tank/materiel rifles existed prior to the Boys rifle, and they do not share any other similarities, with the Boys being a bolt-action and the M82 being a short-recoil semi-auto. If you want to get down to it, the great-granddaddy of all large anti-materiel rifles is the German Mauser 1918 T-Gewehr, which was fielded just before the end of WWI.
@@robertc.9503 Barret states that the Boys Rifle is literally the inspiration for the M82. Its on their website. It's also in the manual.
My dad had a flag flown on the USS Constitution for me for my birthday when I was a kid. I’ve always loved that ship.
You know the Mosin-Nagant has to be on this list! I have one myself 😁
I've had an 1891, 1933, and now a 43. I replaced my 43 91/30's sights with some nice peep sights and it's a nice plinker. Shame the ammo price skyrocketed years ago.
Only one?! 😆
@@TheAtomicSpoon Dude, I have a '39 Izzy with cheap glass that I get consistent sub 2 MOA with. Treat them right, you have more than a "plinker"
Good deer hunting rifle
Among my Mosins I have a Westing House model with SN marking and M39 SKY model...
Simo Häyhä aka The White Death .. used an Iron sight Finnish sniper variant ... he averaged 5 kills a day, and his peak was 25 ... he didn't count if they were not confirmed dead, or if others shot at them at the same time ...
He was using M28 variant.
I know the world's oldest commissioned naval ship is the HMS Victory, Admiral Nelson's flag ship at the battle of Trafalgar. But it is purely purely commissioned in the Royal Navy as a honourary / ceremonial title.
It does not leave the historic dockyard museum in Portsmouth and has effectively been completely rebuilt through maintenance programs.
But there is a interesting tour you can do of the ship for anyone who is interested.
The mosin nagant was produced by Remington arms for a short time. I don't think Russia ever took delivery since they never paid Remington.
Another interesting fact about Old Ironsides is that all her guns are very much in operational order and she is loaded with power and canon balls that can be used in those guns.
One thing the Simon doesn't get into is that many of the "newer" versions of the M1891 Mosin Nagant such as Finnish Versions, the m91/30 from Russia, etc. were first built on the original model's receivers. So, there are likely rifles still seeing action who's receivers were built in 1800's! One of my favorite rifles I own is an M1891 built by New England Westinghouse in America. it has Russian/Soviet markings as well as FInnish markings and a Finnish Civil Guard unit number on the stock!
I still remember the day it left port again in 1997… cause my family was visiting Washington DC and had planned to tour the ship that day. Honestly missing it was probably more memorable than actually touring it would have been 😂
Simon needs more weapon videos and he needs to hire these commenters. I’m quite educated in martial tools and these comments are lovely and at times beyond me.
simon turn the volume up
I picked up a surplus Mosin Nagant years back. I cleaned it up, went to the range, and put the first three rounds that rifle had seen in decades into a sub 1 inch grouping at 100 yards, with the iron sites. If it ain't broke...
As an elisted tanker ('75-79), the M1911 was my, and and all tankers, standard sidearm.
The oldest human weapons still in use are hands and rocks
Tree branches too.
I bet a screaming toddler is as painful to the first parents as my toddler's use of it against me today.
It should be considered a war crime.
Dont forget the good old club... Caveman smash!
Don’t think a hand is classified as a weapon unless you classify anything as weapons. Or if you’re trained like mma fighter or soldiers.
@@jaimevalencia6271 fun fact, all cavemen did MMA
Had a Nagant sniper back in the day. One perfectly adequate weapon. Decent scope and pretty bloody accurate on a cold barrel. No complaints.
You had a whole PERSON??? OHHhhh, I see, you meant RIFLE. Sorry, for a second there we thought you were just a 12 year old playing video games in moms basement.
The Mosin Nagant was optimised for accuracy with the bayonet fitted. Without the bayonet, barrel resonance ruins the second shot accuracy.
Lee Enfield’s have the same problem if the barrel is free floated - it needs 2lb of upforce on the muzzle to achieve best accuracy (and sporterized Lee Enfield’s are crap as a direct result). Tuned Lee Enfield’s often have a piece of card under the barrel to achieve this.
@@allangibson8494 Huh. Fascinating. Sold the Nagant ages ago, but ... As luck would have it, an old smle just fell into my lap. I'll have to check that out. Thanks!
It’s pronounced “Moist Nugget”. That, or “Garbage Rod”
Youve seen the TFB videos then?
@@Silverhornet81 those nicknames have been around for a lot longer than real life Archer avatar has been using them
Fun fact about the B52. It has out lasted the bombers that were introduced to replace it!
The audio is quite low on this video, apart from the Wondrium bit.
Thinking the same, bit of an audio difference between the main video and the sponsor plug. Can only imagine what adds would be like too if I didn't pay for UA-cam
If you find one with little welds filling 2 holes on the opposite of the ejection port, you found a sniper version. Buy it.
The Mosin Nagant dates from 1891.
Military issue telescopic sights date from WW1 - because the rifles weren’t accurate enough or long ranged enough to need them before that.
Please make a part 2. We need the inclusion of the m2 .50 cal machine gun, the ppsh, and the probably the m16 lineage of rifles. Been in service for over 60 years
Old Ironsides frequently docks in Boston in the summers and I've visited it a couple times in the freedom trail. It's a very unique experience.
Which sort of explains its presence in the videogame Fallout 4, where it is lodged *above* Boston Harbor. 😁The one ship I have boarded in real life *and* in a simulation. Funnily enough the game makes a big deal of the Freedom Trail too, but doesn't show the Constitution as being along it.
I’ll always remember the USS Constitution from an 80s GI Joe cartoon where Cobra had a weapon that would disable all electrical functions on opposing ships and only the Constitution was able to get in range to attack.
I love my Mosin. Made in 1943 for Stalingrad and was used in the soviet army until 1970. It sat in a sportingoods store until I picked it up in 2006.
You forgot the the Browning M2 aka Maduse it was adopted in in 1929 and is still is active service with militaries around the world to this day and has done so with little to no change to its design
Minor mistake, the 7.62X54R was not rim-fire but the cartridge did have a rim, it was/is centerfire.
great video but your audio is a little low
Agreed. Had to turn on the CC for this one. Simon, tell those hamsters to run faster so the microphones have more power.
Cabot guns are works of art and can go for hundreds of thousands. The time traveler is a favorite of mine.
00:01 ...My guess is Mosin?
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But Idk. My Drill Instructors taught us that our mind is our best weapon.
Audio is scuffed, seems to be missing the higher frequencies. It's like I'm listening to it through a wall.
I’m reference to the Mosin-Nagants 7.62x54mm R cartridge: the R stands for “rimmed” not rimfire. Rimfire is a different kind of cartridge ignition
Simon would narrate the back of a cereal box if he could get paid for it.
My dad was a B52 mechanic, those things are massive so cool to see them as a kid
The weird thing about modern warfare is that the combination of body armor and and the vulnerability of armored personnel carriers to anti tank missiles makes large caliber bolt action rifles not as obsolete as they used to be.
The British 'Gimpy' General Purpose Machine gun has been in service since 1958 and after being temporarily replaced it has been reintroduced since 2019.
I had a friend at boarding school who was British and his father was in the RAF seconded to USAF to fly B52s. He lived in Nebraska for a few years. My friend said they often flew across the Atlantic with certain brands of US foods in the bomb bays that couldn't be bought in the UK at the time. 😉
Browning's designs still used today. 1911, M2 Ma Deuce and others. Also pretty much every pistol uses Browning tilting action.
Oh boy Simon. You forgot the Maxim machine gun on your list. Make sure you get it in your next one. It predates the mosin by 8 years and is also still in use around the world
An entire video dedicated to the adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
As of 2014 Canada still used the Lee Enfield in the Arctic as it is resistant to freezing
The top picture inthe thumbnail is labelled “1882”, 8 years before the first mosin-nagant was issued. It depicts a scoped rifle, and the Red Army did not equip rifles with scopes until the 1930s. The soldier firing it is wearing a pilotka (cap) which was not issued until the beginning of the Great Patriotic War.
The 7.62x54R used by the M91/30 is rimmed, but not rimfire
Compare to other older rifles use in WWI and WWII, the interesting part of the Mosin is the more logistic aspect. Unlike the older weapons such as the Lee Enfield, Karabiner 98K or Arisaka Type 99, their old cartridges are not use in the military anymore but the 7.62x54mmR is still being manufactured and use in modern Russian weapons such as the PKM series machine guns, Dragunov SVD, SV-98 sniper rifles, etc. This means the Mosin as well as other older WWI and WWII Russian weapons use in Ukraine such as the SVT rifle, DP28 light machine gun, RP46 machine gun, Winchester Model 1895 and the PM M1910 machine gun can use the 7.62x54mmR, still making them viable weapons. Plus they are fighting the Russians meanings they can use the same ammunition supply, simplifying the logistics even further.
Admiral Lord Nelson's flagship at Trafalgar, HMS Victory, is the oldest commissioned ship in the world. It is in drydock in Portsmouth.
The USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned ship afloat. It is based at the Charlestown Naval Yard in Boston.
Mosin Nagant *had to be* first on this list. Even the Brown Bess wasn't in service for 130 years. As far as I know, no other weapon since the introduction of gunpowder to the West has a longer service life.
And I own one: it's heavy, but accurate enough and reliable enough to serve second-line troops even today. Yes, it lacks ammunition capacity (the SMLE had double the capacity just two years later), yes it's slow(ish) to reload, yes, it's long and ungainly (especially with bayonet fixed, and the zero changes very significantly without bayonet -- and these are *always* zeroed with bayonet as they come from the arsenals or out of surplus crates). But it's got power equal to a 7.62x51 NATO, can be tuned to reliably hit targets the size of a couple men out to 900+ meters, and as you said, it just f***ing works. Mine came from the Izhevsk arsenal in 1942 and almost certainly saw service on the front lines turning Hitler's troops away from Stalingrad. Thumbs up for the Mosin Nagant!
Re US M1911/1911A1 vs M1917 S&W and Colt .45 ACP revolvers: "inaccurate"? NOPE.
Gen Mark Clark cited the M1917's excellent accuracy as his reason for declining a 1911 and keeping his M1917 through WWII. Lest you presume that I'm down on the 1911, I'm more like down WITH it, having earned my Distinguished Pistol badge with the rack grade 1911A1s issued during that period, and carried a highly refined 1911 on duty under my other (law enf) hat. As well, that is, as the 1917's descendant, the S&W M625-8 JM. So as far as love/hate and the .45 ACP go, I'm pretty much ambivalent. And don't forget that wondrous invention, the .45 Auto Rim cartridge.
I'm surprised the Maxim wasn't on the list. It was invented nearly a decade before the Mosin and is ALSO being used today in the Ukraine conflict.
Some numbers of Maxims will still be floating around in Russia/CIS for another 100 years.
I have a few of the firearms you feature as well as several lever actions older than that and a couple of Remington Rolling Blocks. All work just fine for what you want them to do. My old Sharps will still ring steel at 1,000 yrds long before the modern bolt actions and new cartridges were invented. As for the 1911, you don't know how a semi-automatic pistol feels "right" in your hand until you handle one of Mr. Brownings handguns. I still like my older revolvers, though. I bought my first Mosin for $69 out of a barrel at the lgs. Great rifle. Even took a whitetail with it.
The B-52's band is about as old too. Lol..... And still going as well!
Love shack baby!
that story about old ironsides brought a tear to my eye.
You should do a Sideprojects episode on the Chassepot French army rifle. Millions were made for various countries (I have one in my attic).
Is this video even quieter than usual? I know some of his channels have terrible audio balance, but this seems worse than normal...
Indeed, it is quieter than usual. So was the CasCrim on Jared from Subway. I thought it was just me!!
Fun fact: You can join the US Navy as a forest ranger, because the Navy owns a white oak forest solely in order to source new timber for the Constitution's maintenance.
Canadian rangers were still using lee enfield rifles up until 2017… only reason they stopped was because there was little no replacement parts left
I loved my Nagant. Made in 1917, had the royal crest on it. I sold it years ago.
Smokeless powder, modern projectile and reliable weapons system equals timeless effectiveness
Also Häiyä used an mp as well
If you were going to include a browning design it probably would have been a better choice to pick the Browning M2 Machine gun since that isn't just still in military service it is the DEFAULT heavy machine gun for all branches of the United States Armed Forces.
B.a.r browning automatic rifle
An idea for a movie. Aliens disable all modern tecnology, and the Constitution is the only ship available to go somewhere in the world to retrieve a macguffin capable of push the alliens back
Despite several attempts by AF Public affairs to find them, there has never been a grandfather-father-son aircrew on the B-52.
Got to see a B-52 and some other beauties at “Wings Over the Rockies” aviation and space museum in Denver. Truly….massive aircraft.
Fantastic list!
There'll be are some great additions to the list in further comments. Perhaps Simon's great capitalist heart may look at doing a 'Commenter edition' video using said suggestions.
Here's two for you:
1. The Black Dragon artillery (as covered on Megaprojects), and
2. The Olympias.
The Olympias is a bit of a reach for this list. Launched in 1987, it is a commissioned ship in the Hellenic navy. HOWEVER. Its a recreation of... an Athenian trireme. The same type as ones that fought in the Persian Wars of 483BC. Made using (as close as possible to) period accurate methods and yes, it has eyes on it as well... as the 200kg bronze battering ram.
Much like the USS Constitution, its used as a parade ship only. Though unlike the Constitution, it has never fired in anger... Greek fire or otherwise!
Here in America you can buy a Mosin-Nagant for about $100. Lots of gun stores keep them stacked in garbage cans.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no such cartridge as the 50 MBG. The 50 BMG for 50 caliber Browning Machine Gun. Just like the 45 ACP is the 45 Colt Automatic Pistol. I've always felt the Short Magazine Lee-Enfield, SMLE was a much better rifle than the Mosin-Nagant. With the Ishapore 2A1 variant still in limited service to this day, I'd think the Enfield should have been given at least an honorable mention.
Yeah i laughed at the 50 MBG… another guy acting like a know-it-all but sounds like another phony armchair historian 😂
I know it doesn't count but knowledge is the oldest weapon still being used today.
Some custom 1911’s go for much more than $5,000. A stock, over the counter Model typical runs $500 to $1,200. A decent high-end model starts at $2,300 or more. A 1911 from Ed Brown, Les Baer or Wilson Combat will cost $3,000 to $5,000 for base models without any special custom work.
The Winchester’s in the Russo Turkish war really had almost no role in the siege of Plevna often sited as the impetus for nation’s adopting repeaters. It was really good use of the Martini Henry that made the difference. The latest C&Rsenal Peabody Martini episode goes into detail. But the repeaters are sexier and Russia needed a better reason than good defenders and poor tactics.