yep - the next test frankly should be when or if they ever get the approval for Level 3+ and that future iterative. At that point the points given go from its good enough to how was the interior comfort and time spent on the drive itself.
At 13:57 it made a major routing mistake. It should have went into the far lane to turn right but it didn't. It ended up in the left turn/straight only lane but still turned right when it shouldn't have
It’s very good. Feels like they just need some tweaks at this point. The routing issue can also be due to the maps Tesla seems to be more behind on the Google maps. Map updates have fixed multiple problems for me.
@@brandenflasch Of course it should be the goal, otherwise people will be cherry picking all day. Like of course if someone was tired, not paying attention, blind, dumb etc then they could have made the mistake. However the entire point of FSD is to be better than a human. This means it doesn't make a mistake where a human would. It shouldn't make this mistake no matter where it's driving, end of story
Most of the video discussions were nothing about the fact the car end to end drive itself at that moment. That’s how good it is. You don’t even notice.
The +5 for Capacitive wheel seems not applicable as you do not have to touch the wheel at all anymore. An input that Tesla makes irrelevant. Others get the points due to needing it. Seems like a potential +5 for NOT needing the Capacitive wheel.
Probably better to rate the required driver interaction. Of the wheel needed to be touched and it was bad that's a 1, if it requires no sunglasses that's a 2, the way Tesla handles it should be a 5.
FSD has to be 10x safer than a ‘human driver’ Presenters: - still cautious around humans, still really slow in parking lots Yeah….so…safer than a human.
Just traded in our 2018 M3 for your same model 3. We did it for the new hardware, comfort and the FSD transfer and I must say FSD is finally at a place where it feels natural and where I am excited to show to others.
One feature that would be cool is that if FSD isn't enabled and the person falls sleep that the car would automatically take over and do the emergency pull over and stuff as well, even if the person hadn't subscribed/bought FSD. Since idk what would happen if you don't have it enabled I assume you would just drive off the road today
He specifically mentioned how the amount torque required on previous cars to register hands on the wheel felt dangerous in comparison to the capacitive wheel that requires no torque.
Per the FHWA Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, Section 3B.06 White Lane Line Pavement Markings: "06. Where crossing the lane line markings is discouraged, the lane line markings shall consist of a normal width solid white line." Crossing a solid white line is discouraged, not prohibited. In other words, it is not illegal. Jordan was correct here.
Remember when you did a hands-off test and Tesla failed because it was not hands-off. You need to create a test from parking lot to parking lot. Let's see how the BMW or Lucid does with that. I start FSD 13 as soon as I get into the car. It backs me out of the garage, drives to my destination, and parks for me. When I exit the store, I can call my Tesla to pick me up, which it does autonomously. There is nothing on the market even close.
7:30 You don't even need to do the charge port, you just need to put the car in Park, accept the strike and as soon as you put it back into drive you'll have FSD again.
I've read that NHTSA doesn't allow ADAS features to do anything other than stop when driver is incapacitated or not paying attention. The idea is ADAS features need driver monitoring and if there is no monitoring, then no steering; just stopping (e.g. AEB). If some systems do pull off road with incapacitated driver then they may be avoiding NHTSA intervention until something goes wrong or someone complains.
Got a complementary month of FSD a week or two ago. This was the third free month since August. Noticed a lot of improvement in the way it drove. Acceleration from a stop more restrained, speed more in concert with surrounding traffic, rapid response to pedestrians darting out from park cars, all in all much more comfortable. The main problem, it’s still too expensive for me.
Yeah Kia and Hyundai sending you into the bushes without any warning is so true, sometimes even while the driving normally, hands on the wheel with lane keeping. It scared the sh!t out of me quite few times. Since then my hands never leave the steering wheel. I really don’t get how is this even legal as assisting driving.
In Boston, most of the issues I had were navigational mistakes. Not taking the correct ramp or street. But Boston is very challenging, even for human drivers. Good steers test for FSD
A lot like I-80 through Parleys Canyon in Utah. My '23 Y on 12.6.1 running HW3 handles it like an intuitive, competent human. I have about 6 driving hours on this recent download, and although these last few versions are a giant step forward, I did have a few glaring issues. 1) It got uncomfortably close to the vehicle in front of me in stop and go traffic a couple of times. 2) It will make a very aggressive change to a slightly more freed up lane when a line up of heavy traffic comes to an abrupt stop or slow down in front of you. I actually don't mind this behavior if it wasn't so close and so quick that I didn't have time to check what it was doing. 3) It passes parked cars/objects way too closely. My mirror couldn't have been more than a few inches away from a curbside garbage bin on one of these.
Also a great part with Tesla is the same car that you used (Tesla Model S Plaid) that got a 19 previously will now get the same (or around the same) result as the one you just ran. The ability to get significantly better from an update is massive. Not sure any others have gotten better from a simple software update.
I was fortunate enough to have fsd v13 on my x hw4 right before christmas and it forced me to upgrade my hw3 model 3 to a hw4 m3p before the end of the year. huge leap from v12.5
Indeed 😝 That feature (the % over speed thing) has always really confused me. I know everyone speeds at times, but I wouldn’t have thought that you would be allowed to sell a product with a setting specifically designed to let the car autonomously and intentionally break the law.
@@bear4278 Great point. At least it's not the other way around (yet): using that same logic to prevent the car from ever speeding even if the driver wants to
For the hogback sequel I would like to see speed bumps, school zone speed limits during school and when school is out, emergency vehicle lights, busy turns, etc.
Definitely this interation has shocked me. I have made multiple drives both on the freeway and around town without any need for driver intervention. hands-free is the dream. Next step will be if we will be able to do it unsupervised of course
For Seniors and the Handcapped $99/mo. to afford them safe driving is an absolute fabulous value. I bet this feature will really catch on as time goes on and needy drivers talk it up.
I bought FSD five years ago when I was 65. I didn't expect it to work for a long time but I wanted to help fund it so that it would be level 5 by the time I was 80. My mother crashed her car into a fence in her parking lot when she was in her late 80s, that was the first sign that she was developing dementia. That was it for driving for her. When I'm that age I want a few more years of independence which Level 5 will give me. Upgraded to HW4 this year as I turned 70. FSD is already a great help. Should be at least partially Level 4 in the next year or two so I have hope that they will get to Level 5 by the time I'm 80.
@@joshuarosen465 I'm 78 and still driving fine but as with all of us the day will come when we either need help driving or hand over the keys. Very interested in the new MY. Have driven all trims of the Highland and find it to be a fine car. Like you say, FSD can give drivers a few addidional years of independence. $99/mo will seem like free when that time arrives.
FSD software purchase should be transferable or stay with the original purchaser, not the car, for as long as you own a Tesla . Keeps Tesla owners in the ecosystem and is a low-cost way to do so.
I really really wish Tesla would reverse the button push direction for chill, standard, hurry. I use it on freeways as a lane-chooser. As soon as you put it in Standard (from Hurry), it leaves the left lane. It's like the button should push left for the car to go left, and push right for the car to go right. Makes much more sense.
I took my 2023 MYP through the hogback last August on vacation. I don't remember it, indicating it made it through without issues, on 12.5.6.3 (I think). Been waiting a while to see how v13.x does here!
Great video - in the UK we sit and watch in the hope some day we get this - I am 8years paid FSD for three off the five I have bought - I currently drive a Plaid X yes LHD in a RHD country 😂 it would be good to start a home to work example - so mix of town / country and motorway - it doesn’t matter if other cars score low - but it may incentivise them to do better - keep up the good work
A city streets test sooner than later would be great. Even though non-Teslas don't have the functionality, Tesla has forked with different hardware versions.
Use FSD in the desert in the middle of the day and at night. It is a total nightmare. I have had it slam on the brakes at 80mph and jerk the car into another lane when the front camera is blinded by the sun. Sometimes multiple times in an hour. It WILL change lanes into oncoming traffic during this maneuver if you’re on a two lane road. In pitch black conditions it’s nearly universally unavailable. If you manage to get it on (like when a car is behind you lighting the road) then it will trigger an audible warning almost literally every few seconds saying autopilot is degraded. It’s just an awful experience in the southwest US in the middle of the day and at night on the highways. None of these channels ever test FSD in the normal conditions of driving in the dark and in the full sun.
I had FSD trial and I had my Navigation set with HOV off. When I put it on Hurry Mode, it moved me over the 2 solid white lines and into the HOV lane. I took over and moved myself out of the HOV lane. It was a FasTrak lane where HOV isn't allowed but an actual toll road. EAP is back with FSD, it's the middle option from the Autopilot menu.
Isn't it funny how there are so little points devoted to actually doing the crucial job od driving and navigation? 😅 How did the flash become way more important than the substance? Crazy as hell (like the Consumer Reports version). I wonder why they do these things.
In San Francisco and most big cities or metro areas, when leaving the city and merging onto the freeway, lane choice is critical, especially during rush hours. You will have almost no leeway to move from the wrong lane to the correct one to get on the freeway. You have to know what lane to be in at least 2 or 3 blocks before the merge. And it may take moving into a better lane but not the final one in order to be setup to move again into the final one. I'd love to see FSD handle intra-city freeway usage in which it takes me from home in the city onto a freeway and then back off the freeway and through the city again to get to my destination.
On FSD 12.6 in my CT, I noticed that it did not use the lane information that was available from the navigation system in making decisions. When it was making a left turn at freeway underpass, there were two lanes it could turn into. The left lane was for left turn only (essentially making it a U-turn maneuver), and the right lane was to go straight and enter the freeway on-ramp. It consistently would turn into the left-hand lane, causing me to have to disengage to correct. Haven't tried that with FSD 13.x yet, as the intersection was in a town I was visiting. I'll get to try again at the end of Feb. But it was a bit annoying that the car clearly had the information, but it was not being used by FSD.
If I was having a medical emergency I think it's a positive to leave me in the middle of the road. Someone might check on me, but it should unlock the doors for that to be useful. If it pulls off and gets out of the way that's great for napping I guess.
My recent road trip we also noticed the passing behavior especially with large trucks. My spouse said the Tesla was asserting dominance over the trucks 😅
And yes, I'm loving V13 on my Model Y. Next week I'll be supervising V13 on its first 300 mile round trip to a service center (minor wheel alignment and broken windshield (ouch)), and next month will be supervising FSD out to Dallas and San Diego then back to Alabama near the first of March. Did the San Diego trip last year with Autopilot, so this year should go even better.
For the suboptimal actions, call them that. In my FSD videos, i track them under a category called " still learning." These are actions that don't require a disengagement or an intervention, but the vehicle's decisions were none the less not ideal.
Great work, from my own experience with FSD13 I agree with everything you guys mentioned. Especially the speed limit adjustment as I have very similar observation on it. I would add that while lane changes are pretty good there is still room for improvement there. For example even in the Hurry mode there is no reason for the car to sit in the left lane with no cars around and I had a situation where it would decide to pass someone right before the exit and then getting stuck on left lane and not able to take the exit.
To really test FSD 13 you need to test in Manhattan. Out of Spec Dave has one test of it there, and there are several other people that have amazing Manhattan UA-cam drives. The problem I see is it may be years, or decades, before other manufactures have a car to compare with FSD. When it goes Unattended, this year or next year, the whole concept of driving will began to change and evolve.
Btw, there is still enhanced autopilot. You have to pay for FSD to get it though. If you change your settings to Adaptive Cruise and Lane centering and not FSD in your autopilot settings you get all of the features of enhanced autopilot, you just can't choose to pay for it separately without FSD anymore.
Boy you guys are very picky! Close to the line? Come on, the car drives so good. I hit the line every 3 seconds when I’m steering! lol. Great video guys. Keep up the good work! Also the Model Y is trying to save people to do a major redesign is hard. They did add fully electric back seats! Screen in the back better glass, and it’s beautiful. Franz is a great designer that made the car look amazing. I think the area below light bar looks huge because all the pics and renders are from ground level and eye height will change the dynamics.
I had my windshield washer fluid freeze up when I went from Atlanta to VT. The mechanic we took the car to (since I didn't know what the problem was) just told me to get a hair dryer to thaw it out and then put in new fluid with anti-freeze
I have a stress test driving to a parking lot on Pennsylvania St. a block north of Colfax in Denver from my home in Northglenn and until like FSD 12.6 it could never get down Pennsylvania without doing weird stops after crossing an intersection. Since that version it does it flawlessly into the parking lot at 1550 Pennsylvania St Denver CO.
I've been driving cars with lane centering for 8 years but after seeing FSD, lane centering alone seems unimpressive. Switching lanes to pass slower cars automatically is so fantastic along with all the other driving decision making capabilties is beyond belief. When perfected, this feature will surely catch on. Tesla seems to be on the right track to finally perfect self driving cars.
I feel like "never having to touch the wheel at all" should get the checkmark for "capacitive wheel". I mean, if you literally don't touch it, why does it matter how it tells if you're touching it or not?
"Once another car can do what this one can do" I don't know Jordan, it may be 5 to 7 more years until that will happen 🤣🤣 Now people can see why Elon went all in on cameras and AI, for a lot of other car companies its to little to late. A lot of them will license FSD in the future. I thin you should have deducted only 1 point. Basically you are saying the same thing, hugs the right lane to much when passing. Happened with the semi and with the later vehicle.
V13 seems to be getting better faster than older versions. I do wish it would adjust it's driving "tactics" based on what the driver indicates in real time. Like I would use the signal to move right out of the leftmost lane so as not to hog it. The car could then make a note of that and do the same later on. It has to manage all the other constraints too like moving out of the lane when another car comes up behind at a higher speed. But re-training based on driver input can be tricky if the driver is one of those "banzai" folks who dodge in and out of lanes just for yokks.
Regarding the offset speed, have you driven this highway before and overridden the max speed on that road? I have noticed that I have increased my max speed on roads, and later when I drive on the same road I see that the maximum speed is still set to where I had it before, even though it differs from the set max offset. I wonder if you had done this before on the highway, and that's why it was allowing higher than 35% max offset.
So glad you found it boring! :-). I would love to see a city streets test. How about from the hub to Starbucks and back. As a separate thing, can you all test Active School Zones? Of course there are several different variations.
FSD fail at 13:57, it made a major routing mistake. It should have went into the far lane to turn right but it didn't. It ended up in the left turn/straight only lane but still turned right when it shouldn't have
Hey Jordan, enjoyed the video, but I have a test for you next time you're using FSD. Background I was using FSD (HW3 Model Y) on a pseudo-highway US64 just west of Raleigh and decided to clean the windshield. As soon as I hit the washer button, the Tesla totally freaked out, everything turned red, blaring noises, scared the crap out of me.
So sad that my HWD3 is so limited, even with my Tesla Model Y car being just 1-1/2 year old and not sure I would pay the 12,000 CAD to get FSD maybe Comma AI would be much more economical, would like to see you test a Comma AI in Tesla HWD3, I believe the wring kits are now available.
Love what you are doing here. But. Always, there's a but. I think that you could start with an evaluation matrix which measures behavior against a (hypothetical) Level 4 (minimal robotaxi level) performance. Call it "Robotaxi Readiness Score", and it would be structured so that the closer FSD or Blues Clues or whatever gets to Level 4, the higher the score. What you have is close to that, but at least in this test you stuck to highway travel, instead of the whole drive. Just a thought.
Very impressive - basically a walk in the park for FSD.
yep - the next test frankly should be when or if they ever get the approval for Level 3+ and that future iterative. At that point the points given go from its good enough to how was the interior comfort and time spent on the drive itself.
At 13:57 it made a major routing mistake. It should have went into the far lane to turn right but it didn't. It ended up in the left turn/straight only lane but still turned right when it shouldn't have
@ plenty of humans would make the same mistake. I don't think absolutely perfect should be the benchmark.
It’s very good. Feels like they just need some tweaks at this point. The routing issue can also be due to the maps Tesla seems to be more behind on the Google maps. Map updates have fixed multiple problems for me.
@@brandenflasch Of course it should be the goal, otherwise people will be cherry picking all day. Like of course if someone was tired, not paying attention, blind, dumb etc then they could have made the mistake. However the entire point of FSD is to be better than a human. This means it doesn't make a mistake where a human would. It shouldn't make this mistake no matter where it's driving, end of story
Most of the video discussions were nothing about the fact the car end to end drive itself at that moment. That’s how good it is. You don’t even notice.
The +5 for Capacitive wheel seems not applicable as you do not have to touch the wheel at all anymore. An input that Tesla makes irrelevant. Others get the points due to needing it. Seems like a potential +5 for NOT needing the Capacitive wheel.
at all times is an exaggeration though and it is hardly an issue.
Make it a +5 for not needing to torque the wheel (capacitive or just not touching the wheel)
Probably better to rate the required driver interaction. Of the wheel needed to be touched and it was bad that's a 1, if it requires no sunglasses that's a 2, the way Tesla handles it should be a 5.
@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiryagree
I do NOT see a car moving slowly in a parking lot as a negative. HAHA! Come on guys. Love your stuff. Keep up the good work.
FSD has to be 10x safer than a ‘human driver’
Presenters: - still cautious around humans, still really slow in parking lots
Yeah….so…safer than a human.
Thanks for the education on crossing solid white lines! I misunderstood it and looked it up to check you, and you are (of course) correct!
Green Traffic Light chime is one of my favorite features too, for those ridiculously long lights that allow me to get lost in my thoughts.
Just traded in our 2018 M3 for your same model 3. We did it for the new hardware, comfort and the FSD transfer and I must say FSD is finally at a place where it feels natural and where I am excited to show to others.
Seems like being able to leave from the parking spot as well as not having to disengage at the mid point. +1 for each.
Looks like you did give it +1 for end to end on the spreadsheet.
One feature that would be cool is that if FSD isn't enabled and the person falls sleep that the car would automatically take over and do the emergency pull over and stuff as well, even if the person hadn't subscribed/bought FSD. Since idk what would happen if you don't have it enabled I assume you would just drive off the road today
Thanks, now my wife demands that FSD drive the car when she is in it😳🤯
MY ‘25
Why is a capacitive wheel valuable?
Specifying tech rather than function seems like a bad metric.
He specifically mentioned how the amount torque required on previous cars to register hands on the wheel felt dangerous in comparison to the capacitive wheel that requires no torque.
Per the FHWA Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, Section 3B.06 White Lane Line Pavement Markings:
"06. Where crossing the lane line markings is discouraged, the lane line markings shall consist of a normal width solid white line."
Crossing a solid white line is discouraged, not prohibited. In other words, it is not illegal. Jordan was correct here.
Thanks for looking that up so I didn't have to
Note that if you come and drive in Europe, the rules are different, is not allowed to cross it, in general.
Remember when you did a hands-off test and Tesla failed because it was not hands-off. You need to create a test from parking lot to parking lot. Let's see how the BMW or Lucid does with that.
I start FSD 13 as soon as I get into the car. It backs me out of the garage, drives to my destination, and parks for me. When I exit the store, I can call my Tesla to pick me up, which it does autonomously.
There is nothing on the market even close.
7:30 You don't even need to do the charge port, you just need to put the car in Park, accept the strike and as soon as you put it back into drive you'll have FSD again.
V13 is amazing I noticed huge improvements on my car it now drives better than me
amazing test, they did so much improvement
That was impressive. Stopping on the highway was a bit unsettling for the passenger. Thank you for sharing.
Best car ever considering the price!
+points for starting from your parking spot? +points for a zero intervention drive? +points for not feeling like a robot driving?
He did give 1 pt for human like driving.
Update the spreadsheet Jordan! You should know we're impatient AF and want to know the end result while we watch the entire video. lol
It's updated. Not the total but there is the 2025 Tesla Model 3 (FSD Beta) Sheet. Spoiler: The total score is 34
Real time update: it was just added to the totals
I literally drive 2 miles last year. My car drove over 10,000
FSD has come a long way! You should repeat this test with a HW3 car to compare.
Awesome guys. Keep doing what you do!!
I've read that NHTSA doesn't allow ADAS features to do anything other than stop when driver is incapacitated or not paying attention. The idea is ADAS features need driver monitoring and if there is no monitoring, then no steering; just stopping (e.g. AEB). If some systems do pull off road with incapacitated driver then they may be avoiding NHTSA intervention until something goes wrong or someone complains.
Seems like you should add points for starting in the parking lot
It did signal during the lane merge...@16:11
lol nice bromance with naming off the version number together hehe
Got a complementary month of FSD a week or two ago. This was the third free month since August. Noticed a lot of improvement in the way it drove. Acceleration from a stop more restrained, speed more in concert with surrounding traffic, rapid response to pedestrians darting out from park cars, all in all much more comfortable. The main problem, it’s still too expensive for me.
Yeah Kia and Hyundai sending you into the bushes without any warning is so true, sometimes even while the driving normally, hands on the wheel with lane keeping. It scared the sh!t out of me quite few times. Since then my hands never leave the steering wheel. I really don’t get how is this even legal as assisting driving.
In Boston, most of the issues I had were navigational mistakes. Not taking the correct ramp or street. But Boston is very challenging, even for human drivers. Good steers test for FSD
A lot like I-80 through Parleys Canyon in Utah. My '23 Y on 12.6.1 running HW3 handles it like an intuitive, competent human. I have about 6 driving hours on this recent download, and although these last few versions are a giant step forward, I did have a few glaring issues. 1) It got uncomfortably close to the vehicle in front of me in stop and go traffic a couple of times. 2) It will make a very aggressive change to a slightly more freed up lane when a line up of heavy traffic comes to an abrupt stop or slow down in front of you. I actually don't mind this behavior if it wasn't so close and so quick that I didn't have time to check what it was doing. 3) It passes parked cars/objects way too closely. My mirror couldn't have been more than a few inches away from a curbside garbage bin on one of these.
Would be interested to see how a Comma AI does in this test
Way too easy for current FSD. Hopefully you come up with a more challenging course
The video I've been dying to see! Love it!
Also a great part with Tesla is the same car that you used (Tesla Model S Plaid) that got a 19 previously will now get the same (or around the same) result as the one you just ran. The ability to get significantly better from an update is massive. Not sure any others have gotten better from a simple software update.
Openpilot certainly does.
@@ericanderson1753openpilot is an open-source accessory, not a feature of the car developed by the manufacturer. Not the same thing.
Didn’t the 90’s Mercury Sable start the whole light bar craze?
End to end should be +5
Tesla first introduced end to end highway with V12.5.6.4 back in October. V13 was not the first end to end highway release.
I was fortunate enough to have fsd v13 on my x hw4 right before christmas and it forced me to upgrade my hw3 model 3 to a hw4 m3p before the end of the year. huge leap from v12.5
24/25 model 3 performance is incredible. Probably the best sedan ever
Already have the wolfbox- ordered on black Friday. Thing is a beast and useful.
"Officer, I wasn't speeding, I swear. The car was speeding!"
Indeed 😝
That feature (the % over speed thing) has always really confused me.
I know everyone speeds at times, but I wouldn’t have thought that you would be allowed to sell a product with a setting specifically designed to let the car autonomously and intentionally break the law.
@@bear4278 Great point. At least it's not the other way around (yet): using that same logic to prevent the car from ever speeding even if the driver wants to
For the hogback sequel I would like to see speed bumps, school zone speed limits during school and when school is out, emergency vehicle lights, busy turns, etc.
Definitely this interation has shocked me.
I have made multiple drives both on the freeway and around town without any need for driver intervention. hands-free is the dream. Next step will be if we will be able to do it unsupervised of course
For Seniors and the Handcapped $99/mo. to afford them safe driving is an absolute fabulous value. I bet this feature will really catch on as time goes on and needy drivers talk it up.
I bought FSD five years ago when I was 65. I didn't expect it to work for a long time but I wanted to help fund it so that it would be level 5 by the time I was 80. My mother crashed her car into a fence in her parking lot when she was in her late 80s, that was the first sign that she was developing dementia. That was it for driving for her. When I'm that age I want a few more years of independence which Level 5 will give me. Upgraded to HW4 this year as I turned 70. FSD is already a great help. Should be at least partially Level 4 in the next year or two so I have hope that they will get to Level 5 by the time I'm 80.
@@joshuarosen465 I'm 78 and still driving fine but as with all of us the day will come when we either need help driving or hand over the keys. Very interested in the new MY. Have driven all trims of the Highland and find it to be a fine car. Like you say, FSD can give drivers a few addidional years of independence. $99/mo will seem like free when that time arrives.
FSD software purchase should be transferable or stay with the original purchaser, not the car, for as long as you own a Tesla . Keeps Tesla owners in the ecosystem and is a low-cost way to do so.
On your spreadsheet, you should document which revision of the FSD/Autopilot is being evaluated, not just the year and model of the car.
I really really wish Tesla would reverse the button push direction for chill, standard, hurry. I use it on freeways as a lane-chooser. As soon as you put it in Standard (from Hurry), it leaves the left lane. It's like the button should push left for the car to go left, and push right for the car to go right. Makes much more sense.
I took my 2023 MYP through the hogback last August on vacation. I don't remember it, indicating it made it through without issues, on 12.5.6.3 (I think). Been waiting a while to see how v13.x does here!
Great video - in the UK we sit and watch in the hope some day we get this - I am 8years paid FSD for three off the five I have bought - I currently drive a Plaid X yes LHD in a RHD country 😂 it would be good to start a home to work example - so mix of town / country and motorway - it doesn’t matter if other cars score low - but it may incentivise them to do better - keep up the good work
It did not cross a solid line without signaling!
A city streets test sooner than later would be great. Even though non-Teslas don't have the functionality, Tesla has forked with different hardware versions.
Use FSD in the desert in the middle of the day and at night. It is a total nightmare. I have had it slam on the brakes at 80mph and jerk the car into another lane when the front camera is blinded by the sun. Sometimes multiple times in an hour. It WILL change lanes into oncoming traffic during this maneuver if you’re on a two lane road.
In pitch black conditions it’s nearly universally unavailable. If you manage to get it on (like when a car is behind you lighting the road) then it will trigger an audible warning almost literally every few seconds saying autopilot is degraded.
It’s just an awful experience in the southwest US in the middle of the day and at night on the highways.
None of these channels ever test FSD in the normal conditions of driving in the dark and in the full sun.
Not one adrenaline rush as the car drove!
I had FSD trial and I had my Navigation set with HOV off. When I put it on Hurry Mode, it moved me over the 2 solid white lines and into the HOV lane. I took over and moved myself out of the HOV lane. It was a FasTrak lane where HOV isn't allowed but an actual toll road. EAP is back with FSD, it's the middle option from the Autopilot menu.
Isn't it funny how there are so little points devoted to actually doing the crucial job od driving and navigation? 😅 How did the flash become way more important than the substance? Crazy as hell (like the Consumer Reports version). I wonder why they do these things.
In San Francisco and most big cities or metro areas, when leaving the city and merging onto the freeway, lane choice is critical, especially during rush hours. You will have almost no leeway to move from the wrong lane to the correct one to get on the freeway. You have to know what lane to be in at least 2 or 3 blocks before the merge. And it may take moving into a better lane but not the final one in order to be setup to move again into the final one. I'd love to see FSD handle intra-city freeway usage in which it takes me from home in the city onto a freeway and then back off the freeway and through the city again to get to my destination.
On FSD 12.6 in my CT, I noticed that it did not use the lane information that was available from the navigation system in making decisions. When it was making a left turn at freeway underpass, there were two lanes it could turn into. The left lane was for left turn only (essentially making it a U-turn maneuver), and the right lane was to go straight and enter the freeway on-ramp. It consistently would turn into the left-hand lane, causing me to have to disengage to correct. Haven't tried that with FSD 13.x yet, as the intersection was in a town I was visiting. I'll get to try again at the end of Feb. But it was a bit annoying that the car clearly had the information, but it was not being used by FSD.
If I was having a medical emergency I think it's a positive to leave me in the middle of the road. Someone might check on me, but it should unlock the doors for that to be useful.
If it pulls off and gets out of the way that's great for napping I guess.
Disagree strongly. I want the car as far away from high-speed traffic as possible.
Thanks for sharing. You will be able to set up the whole test route with waypoints.
end to end is so much better than the old autopilot even on my hardware 3 car
My recent road trip we also noticed the passing behavior especially with large trucks. My spouse said the Tesla was asserting dominance over the trucks 😅
And yes, I'm loving V13 on my Model Y. Next week I'll be supervising V13 on its first 300 mile round trip to a service center (minor wheel alignment and broken windshield (ouch)), and next month will be supervising FSD out to Dallas and San Diego then back to Alabama near the first of March. Did the San Diego trip last year with Autopilot, so this year should go even better.
For the suboptimal actions, call them that. In my FSD videos, i track them under a category called " still learning." These are actions that don't require a disengagement or an intervention, but the vehicle's decisions were none the less not ideal.
Can someone in their area PLEASE lend them their car with Comma 3X and Openpilot?
Openpilot works really great on the Tesla Model 3. Would be great to see them trying Openpilot.
Great work, from my own experience with FSD13 I agree with everything you guys mentioned. Especially the speed limit adjustment as I have very similar observation on it. I would add that while lane changes are pretty good there is still room for improvement there. For example even in the Hurry mode there is no reason for the car to sit in the left lane with no cars around and I had a situation where it would decide to pass someone right before the exit and then getting stuck on left lane and not able to take the exit.
You can change the driving mode with the right thumb wheel. Push the thumb wheel left or right to move between chill, standard, and hurry.
Just here to see it handle Floyd Hill.
Update: it handled it
Lucid may have got many negative points if you judge it like this tesla. Too harsh and double standard.
Glad you pointed out the lane centering issues - I thought maybe it was just my car. Needs to work on the ‘scooch’ around semis for sure
To really test FSD 13 you need to test in Manhattan. Out of Spec Dave has one test of it there, and there are several other people that have amazing Manhattan UA-cam drives. The problem I see is it may be years, or decades, before other manufactures have a car to compare with FSD. When it goes Unattended, this year or next year, the whole concept of driving will began to change and evolve.
Btw, there is still enhanced autopilot. You have to pay for FSD to get it though. If you change your settings to Adaptive Cruise and Lane centering and not FSD in your autopilot settings you get all of the features of enhanced autopilot, you just can't choose to pay for it separately without FSD anymore.
Boy you guys are very picky! Close to the line? Come on, the car drives so good. I hit the line every 3 seconds when I’m steering! lol. Great video guys. Keep up the good work! Also the Model Y is trying to save people to do a major redesign is hard. They did add fully electric back seats! Screen in the back better glass, and it’s beautiful. Franz is a great designer that made the car look amazing. I think the area below light bar looks huge because all the pics and renders are from ground level and eye height will change the dynamics.
should ya link the out of spec testing channel in the description ?
So glad you guys have a separate channel for testing 🎉
Those alloy wheels look so much better than the black. FSD is interesting of a fashion...
I had my windshield washer fluid freeze up when I went from Atlanta to VT. The mechanic we took the car to (since I didn't know what the problem was) just told me to get a hair dryer to thaw it out and then put in new fluid with anti-freeze
I have a stress test driving to a parking lot on Pennsylvania St. a block north of Colfax in Denver from my home in Northglenn and until like FSD 12.6 it could never get down Pennsylvania without doing weird stops after crossing an intersection. Since that version it does it flawlessly into the parking lot at 1550 Pennsylvania St Denver CO.
I've been driving cars with lane centering for 8 years but after seeing FSD, lane centering alone seems unimpressive. Switching lanes to pass slower cars automatically is so fantastic along with all the other driving decision making capabilties is beyond belief. When perfected, this feature will surely catch on. Tesla seems to be on the right track to finally perfect self driving cars.
I feel like "never having to touch the wheel at all" should get the checkmark for "capacitive wheel". I mean, if you literally don't touch it, why does it matter how it tells if you're touching it or not?
Now hit Texas Roadhouse ( on Kyle’s dime of course)
Subscriptions are a revenue stream. Referral points used to pay subscriptions negates that.
"Once another car can do what this one can do" I don't know Jordan, it may be 5 to 7 more years until that will happen 🤣🤣
Now people can see why Elon went all in on cameras and AI, for a lot of other car companies its to little to late. A lot of them will license FSD in the future.
I thin you should have deducted only 1 point. Basically you are saying the same thing, hugs the right lane to much when passing. Happened with the semi and with the later vehicle.
Very nice !!!!!
This whole scoring system is so skewed. What you just drove was in a different dimension entirely. Should not be bunched up on the same score board.
V13 seems to be getting better faster than older versions. I do wish it would adjust it's driving "tactics" based on what the driver indicates in real time. Like I would use the signal to move right out of the leftmost lane so as not to hog it. The car could then make a note of that and do the same later on. It has to manage all the other constraints too like moving out of the lane when another car comes up behind at a higher speed. But re-training based on driver input can be tricky if the driver is one of those "banzai" folks who dodge in and out of lanes just for yokks.
Regarding the offset speed, have you driven this highway before and overridden the max speed on that road? I have noticed that I have increased my max speed on roads, and later when I drive on the same road I see that the maximum speed is still set to where I had it before, even though it differs from the set max offset. I wonder if you had done this before on the highway, and that's why it was allowing higher than 35% max offset.
Full FSD not available in other countries
Unfortunately... 😮💨😮💨😮💨
So glad you found it boring! :-). I would love to see a city streets test. How about from the hub to Starbucks and back. As a separate thing, can you all test Active School Zones? Of course there are several different variations.
Finally!
Hey, if i were you i would put the link of your new channel in the description of this video!
About to say the same thing. They should put all their channels in all descriptions.
excellent
FSD fail at 13:57, it made a major routing mistake. It should have went into the far lane to turn right but it didn't. It ended up in the left turn/straight only lane but still turned right when it shouldn't have
Mines still on 12.5 really wanting that update
Hey Jordan, enjoyed the video, but I have a test for you next time you're using FSD. Background I was using FSD (HW3 Model Y) on a pseudo-highway US64 just west of Raleigh and decided to clean the windshield. As soon as I hit the washer button, the Tesla totally freaked out, everything turned red, blaring noises, scared the crap out of me.
Yes, you blinded it. I have had this happen as well. It makes sense, the car cannot see.
On FSD, just let the car control the wipers.
Wish Kyle was here to see this!
So sad that my HWD3 is so limited, even with my Tesla Model Y car being just 1-1/2 year old and not sure I would pay the 12,000 CAD to get FSD maybe Comma AI would be much more economical, would like to see you test a Comma AI in Tesla HWD3, I believe the wring kits are now available.
Wow. Rough times for competitors.
Love to see VW ID.4/Buzz
Love what you are doing here. But. Always, there's a but.
I think that you could start with an evaluation matrix which measures behavior against a (hypothetical) Level 4 (minimal robotaxi level) performance. Call it "Robotaxi Readiness Score", and it would be structured so that the closer FSD or Blues Clues or whatever gets to Level 4, the higher the score.
What you have is close to that, but at least in this test you stuck to highway travel, instead of the whole drive.
Just a thought.