Is Harry Potter Okay For Catholics? w/ Dr. Alex Plato
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2022
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Matt asks Dr. Plato for his take on Harry Potter? Is it really evil? Is it harmless storytelling? Matt and Alex discuss...
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In the story the magic is a genetic gift and doesn’t reside in demonic powers or anything of the sort. It is pure fantasy. The only problem is overindulgence in fantasy, which is more of a general issue that includes other things like Star Wars, Marvel, and even Tolkien. There are some people who have become invested in Wicca or whatever through overindulgence in Harry Potter fantasy but that is more so on those individuals and their problems, and is such a tiny fringe issue. It is absolutely silly to consider Harry Potter dangerous. Might as well condemn Halloween along with it. Liberal obsession with it is also annoying but reading into it too much is deranged. Demons can and will use anything to lead people to sin and self-destruction.
YEAAH I think father Ripperger and the rest of the exorcists know what they are talking about on this subject!!
WELL, THIS CAME 20 YEARS TOO LATE! Makes me furious that I was saying this for over ten years only to be mocked by the catholics with the loudest voices. (And now people listen because someone who drinks and smokes a pipe and acts stereotypically scholarly says it). I literally went through the whole etymology of each spell and name to prove it was fine and catholics would only say "you must be possessed." "you will die in your witch's cape" and "you must never read any other books." Yes, Harry Potter has value, and yes, women who read it can be "LITERATE." (Although I don't think reading Tolstoy and Dostoevsky is a requirement to recognizing this just because Jordan Peterson finally popularized them in the right wing sphere). Get back to me when another children's author makes a quintuple plot twist (Prisoner of Azkaban) and does 14 drafts of single chapters. The arrogance of comparing it to Tolkien, as if language is the only measure of quality. (It surpasses Tolkien in some areas like sympathetic character development). You are just learning about John Granger's analysis of literary alchemy, which you think is impressive because it sounds scholarly. Well, it was actually kind of superstitious. Actually J. K. Rowling's work is good because it's dynamic (due to use of mystery plot and not linear journey) and it's actually sympathetic (which engages children more than the archetypal Hobbit). J. K. Rowling's integrity always showed in her books; even before she proved that she lived them out herself, they had sincere themes. I have never seen a series so beloved and yet treated with so much prideful and unethical snobbery. God gave kids a book series that it actually good, and our society is so relativistic and stuck up that we can't admit when somebody made something really great for once?
I first started reading the Harry Potter books when my children were in Catholic elementary school. The BEST English teacher I have ever seen was reading it with her 5th graders. My next door neighbor pulled her kids out of school and began to home-school them because she didn’t want them learning about witchcraft. It seemed ridiculous to me, but I began to read the books. They were so well-written and the stories were so engaging that I understood why this amazing teacher would want to introduce them to her students! My children and I have read all the books and seen all the movies. I think the message of good conquering evil is incredibly important in this day and age. The Weasley family is the kind of family that any Catholic family should be. We need to stop looking for problems where they don’t exist and focus on addressing the real problems in our world.
Both Trent Horn and Kendra Tierney have great, reasonably responses to the weird Harry Potter fear, which I thought was exclusive to Protestants up until VERY recently!
I find the obsession with this topic strange because people who read the books as children (like me) didn't lose their faith because of them. We read them because we like stories that involve magic and fantasy, THAT'S IT. That's literally all there was to it. Reading Harry Potter isn't going to destroy a 12-year old's faith, bad role models and a poor environment for learning about the faith WILL. People who obsess over the mythical destructive effect of Harry Potter should be concentrating their efforts on providing good Catholic education for children, either by themselves or by supporting those who do. You could point to literally any novel or novel series ever written and say "this is harmful for a child's development because it distracts them from Christ". You could say it about any and all forms of entertainment. Your issue, in that case, would not be with HP, but with children indulging in far too many forms of distraction, which is a valid issue, but there's no need to single out HP to raise it. It's ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.
I dont know anything of the occult, so someone could put occult references and symbolism in stuff and id have no idea. It seems like people are sneaking the occult in everything these days, and i have no idea. This video may have brushed aside others arguments, but their arguments werent very credible themselves.
Yes, Harry Potter is incredibly well written, INCREDIBLY. But it's not superior to Tolkien. I mean, she's created an amazing world and it WILL go down as one of the greats. But Tolkien created 5 languages. He created this long and extensive, world history. They are in similar leagues of world building and creativity, good character design, good storytelling, but yes, Tolkien is higher.
The irony with the Christian opposition to the Potter books is that Rowling wrote the story as a clever Christian allegory. In fact, she went to great lengths to downplay her own Christian faith because she felt that reading her Potter narrative as a Christian allegory would spoil the storyline. The bitter irony is that dense Christians who have missed the obvious imagery and play on words have been some of her most fierce opponents.
I feel like there's way more important things to discuss
An ex-Satanist spoke at Ave Maria University some years ago, and said he had interacted with the demon who worked through Rowling to write the books, and that the spells are demonic curses.
I'd highly recommend that you listen to what Fr Ripperger has to say about Harry Potter. As an exorcist he really knows just how dangerous it is. I've read all the books and loved the movies but after hearing what he had to say my eyes were opened. Worth a listen.
I know if someone who got into witchcraft after reading Tolkien. Literally anything can be a door.
Harry Potter is a book with true black magic and children have been possessed after using those spells... I recomend you the book of Gabrielle Kuby "Harry Potter - Good or Evil". Joseph Ratzinger told in a letter to Kuby: "It is good that you explain the facts of Harry Potter, because this is a subtle seduction, which has deeply unnoticed and direct effects in undermining the soul of Christianity before it can really grow properly."
Thanks for this! I didn’t grow up in a Catholic home, although I was being sent to a Catholic school when it was popular. I was pretty lost and didn’t know what to believe… Harry Potter was like a whole new world to escape into when I was confused and, honestly, hurting for a lack of answers. I eventually delved into witchcraft, but to me there was absolutely no connection to Harry Potter. My interest was piqued about it when I first read about it in a Teen Vogue magazine - a little interview with a young woman who practiced Wicca. Anyway praise God I eventually logic-ed my way out of that with the help of my now-husband 🥰but even to this day, I love Harry Potter. We just finished binge watching the movies again after not having read or watched for years. Having said all that… I will not let my children read or watch HP until they are much older. I want their Catholic worldview solidified before they delve into that world ☺️
I grew up with Harry Potter, I watched all the movies and read all the books, played the games on PS. It's just fiction like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Narnia. Some Catholics are not okay with Harry Potter but they love Lord of the Rings and Narnia which also have fantasy characters who are witches and wizards. Wizardry is a very British thing, it's part of its culture, and of course almost everybody knows Merlin and King Arthur.
The depiction of magic is up in the air. On one hand it’s not expressly demonic but on the other, many exorcists have warned against it.
I’ve been a potter fan for ages. Glad to see other Catholics speak of it as what it is: a fun series with a depth that goes beyond the magical and fantastical surface.
And then there’s the fact that “fantasy” is a is a subset of literature. Would those who denigrate Harry Potter treat Beowulf the same? Chaucer’s The Canterbury Tales the same?
I read the books a long time ago, but my take on it was the exact opposite: the books are absolutely devoid of compassion. In Rowling's world, characters are born either good or bad, and they pretty much just stay that way forever. There's not really an impulse to try to teach or rehabilitate sinners, sort to speak, but their only strategy to deal with evil is to just kill them all. Even though it's clear that Voldemort and others came to be evil due to the discrimination and cruelty in which they grew up, nobody cares about those issues at all. There's a group of elite people, who aren't good because they learned to be so but because it is in their blood, and they are also talented by nature, and what they do isn't try to make the world a better place, but only stay close to each other to defend their own interests, accumulating secrets and power, while looking with utmost contempt at the rest of the world, slytherin, muggles, elves, etc. And they never look at themselves and think they are actually guilty of anything, but blame it all on those other evil guys. I don't know, I just don't see anything Christian about it.