I don't think anyone thought Arizona won that trade, Domi was already a really good player, Galchenyuk more of a system guy and quickly backslid, but he still put up a very similar statline in Arizona to what Domi put up this year, plus they got Phil Kessel out of it, who we all know is irreplaceable so long as you can afford enough hot dogs to feed him.
I feel like the sharks did not get fleeced the sharks need to win now and Karlsson is a player that will help you in the short term and I do not think Quinton byfield or Tim stutzle will compare to a healthy Erik Karlsson. The sharks then got the best trade Goodrow for a first in a deep draft the sharks get a pick that they normally would have gotten in a good year. If Meier Sorensen and suomela develop well it won't look like a bad trade. The Ottawa Senators got lucky too the sharks got very injured this season more of pure luck than a smart trade still though Ottawa got good value.
Never forget the time when Ottawa got bent over by the god himself Jeff Gorton and traded away Zib for Brassard 😂 “he is to distracted by his music career” lmaooooo
While you're right about the Granlund-Fiala trade you could have mentioned that large portion of Granlund's points came under another coach after firing Laviolette. We'll see what happens there.
I see so much Giroux in Granlund. Highly skilled not fast not great defensively. Moving him to wing with a responsible center or shelter his matchups and you have a 60-80 point player.
100% agree. Honestly, I even think Fiala would have done better under Hynes. The Predators were just discarding players and trying to plug in any piece they could find (Simmonds, Boyle, etc) to try to save Laviolette's legacy. It took them way too long to realize his actual legacy is souring locker rooms and letting a good team slip away. I'm still not convinced Hynes is a long term solution, but there was no excuse for Laviolette having the roster he did and getting that little production.
I liked pionk when he was with the rangers but we needed a big body with a great stick on defence. Troubas getting used to the system and our players. In the beginning he seemed lost. I like trouba alot he saves alot of potential goals. Gotta love the big hits and that cannon slap shot. Fun to watch
Great first year trade for Pionk for sure, but can he keep this up? This is either just a career breakout year or he’ll come back down to earth, my vote is the latter as I still don’t know if he’s capable to being an elite top pairing offensive defensemen. Certainly a top 4, but either way, still a great trade by getting Heinola in this deal. At the same time, not horrible for the rangers as they needed to accelerate the rebuild a bit and Trouba was a good pick for that, and with the emergence of Fox and D’Angelo, they don’t require him to be a high producing defensemen (even though I expect him to bounce back next season) and work on his defensive game
Neal Pionk was absolutely horrific in his own end with NY. For a short while, he played a strong offensive game, but that dried up after about a half-season. One thing of note is that Pionk has an offensize-zone start percentage over 60% this season, while, with NY it was down about 48%. This just goes to show the difference in how Maurice is using Pionk vs. how Vigneault/Quinn used him. FWIW, Trouba's offensive-zone start percentage this season was around 40% and he's been paired with below-replacement-level partners in Marc Staal, Libor Hajek and Brendan Smith. Trouba hasn't been good either - certainly well below the $8.5M cap hit - but chances are things will improve for him. It also could speak to the poor job that Quinn and Lindy Ruff are doing with NYR defense - Rangers fans have long criticized Ruff who is in charge of the defense.
I could tell Heinola was gonna be insane by the highlights they showed when he got drafted. Good skater great hockey iq and a confident kid. Reminds me of Quinn Hughes
@Devin Blackburn your definitely right I wasnt saying he was as good as Quinn although his character and confidence remind me of Quinn. No doubt Quinn is better but Heiola is gonna be a good d man
I'm a Canucks fan, when we got Miller, I was nervous because it was risky. I thought it would be a pretty even trade although I never knew we even had that goalie. Miller was incredible this year, much better than expected. And the best part is he's a two way player who played on both the powerplay and the penalty kill.
All the rangers fans coming out of the gate talking about how AWFUL Pionk was are somehow still trying to find a way to call this trade a win. Trouba had good seasons when the jets were one of the deepest teams in the league on the blue line and he had a Vezina contender bailing out his mistakes. He's not a bad defenceman, but he's probably a second pair defenseman at his peak. I'm not sure Pionk is much better than that, ill agree. But given the difference in contract + the addition of a promising defenseman in Heinola, this really doesn't seem that close.
To be fair Pionk was terrible as a Ranger, but they choose to ignore that he was a young kid forced to be a terrible teams top D-man on an AHL quality defense with an aging goaltender whose best seasons were in the rearview mirror. Pionk wasn't ready to be a #1 on such a bad team and it showed. This year, without the pressure (Morrissey was our clear number 1) Pionk came in, played his game and was a HUGE part in the Jets making the qualifying round, outplaying Morrissey on a nightly basis.
To me Trouba isnt a top end dman like everyone thinks he is. hes a solid top 4 dman with decent offensive ability but can have pretty good offensive seasons... Pionk i think is just a solid top 4 dman with ok offensive ability... but for $3 million id take pionk all day
@@phazerphred5917 dude that's exactly what I've said in Winnipeg for years. Hes not a bad defenseman by any means, but hes not top 2 guy. Morrissey just made him look that way because hes both decent offensively and so bloody underratedly fast he could beat most wingers back, also thinks the game at a high level. Dudes the most underrated defenseman in the league because he sacrifices getting points so he can always fix his d partners mistakes. I will say though I did like him paired with Trouba because Trouba was very physical and had a better shot. But I dont miss him that much honestly.
Being honest, I always felt the Weber-Subban trade was won by Montreal. As for the Trouba trade. I think he can bounce back. Trouba lost his close friend (Morrisey) and has to adjust to a brand new system. He will be better next year
As a Rangers fan that was pissed about the trade then it has gotten worse since. He got a 8 by 7 deal which he would be lucky to get 3/4 of that before the pandemic and the kicker is they gave up Pionk who had a much better season and a first for one year of control of Trouba. Jeff Gorton is a terrible GM so it’s no shock the only trades he has won is against Petey and Eugene Melynk
I never got all the hate that Rangers fans had for Pionk, but he did have problems defensively. I saw a lot of potential in him. As for Trouba, he needs to adjust to a new system, but he is definitely not worth anything near 8 million.
Agreed, also a Jets fan and have hated Trouba ever since his first trade request and arbitration. Also holding the puck behind our own net when there was time to go down the ice and score in the game that knocked us out of playoffs, one of the laziest plays I've ever seen.
As a Senators fan living in the SF Bay area, I will never forget the Erik Karlsson trade. One of my friends who was a Sharks fan brushed off the 1st round pick as a late first round pick.😁
You are totally right about that Granlund/Fiala trade, but let's not forget that there were locker room problems with Fiala. You could see that at the first 2 games Minnesota und Nashville played against each other after the trade. Johansen and Forsberg both nearly fought Fiala and they have also shouted some words to each other. While Ryan and Filip seemed to laugh about it, Fiala didn't look happy at all.
So much goes into the evaluation of a trade. First, there is an increasingly important issue of cap space. Then, there is the issue of control of the player received. Then there is the issue of "win now" v "build for the future". The trade can be a win-win for both teams. Most people look at "win now", but in reality the other factors need to be looked at. A few observations on the trades- Trouba was going to leave WPG anyway, they had to get something. Where WPG got fleeced was in the Hayes trade, but that was "win now". Weber holds all of the aces on NAS in this deal, which is what makes the deal really work for MTL. If Weber retires earlier, NAS is saddled with virtually all of the cap hit- an impact of perhaps $24mil+! There is also chemistry issues, which evidently played out in the NAS locker room as well. JT Miller's numbers went up b/c he was no longer getting 3rd line minutes in VAN. TBL had an embarrassment of offensive riches. While I hate the Sharks, OTT didn't even fish Hertl or Labanc out of the deal, which is why it was a good trade for SJS- and it was definitely win now mode. SJS got burned b/c they should've known EK65 was going to hold the Sharks up like DD did with the Kings.
i think Troubas play was influenced alot by all the starpower the jets have upfront and his defensepartner Morrissey. He is an ok 3 or a good 4th defenseman. Neal Pionk turned great this year however i expect him to regress a fair bit next year. The big win here in this trade is heinola
Trouba is a Great d-man. Yes he started slow but that was expected, & got even better the 2nd half. Trouba had to learn a new system, new country, new coaches, new players. People also have to look at what the NY Rangers don't have without Trouba & that's a d-man that plays a physical brand of defense which most of the NY Rangers players lack in that area except for maybe Brendan Lemuix & Ryan Lindgren yes, who is a rookie. But i do think the Rangers trade Trouba before the end of his contract, to a team of his choosing again because of ALL the good young players coming up through the ranks. I think it was a fair trade for both teams because the Rangers really only gave up pionk for trouba & The Rangers already had too many Pionks or players who are better then Pionk already & cheaper.
The only thing I don’t like about the trouba deal is the contract, he’s gotta better overall game than Neil but not going to win all of them. But also for me Ville heinola is going to be really good but if the rangers had that pick they prolly don’t take him anyway. The rangers don’t need d prospects, have way to many at that position
Bruh are you high I mean trouba can’t skate he’s as dumb as I rock and always gets beat he is a total liability and you are on something how is pionk getting pushed around like ur just making an excuse to how bad trouba is
@Patrick Donaldson it was decently close this season but in terms of general play and advanced numbers, pionk was better. you can't cherry pick a play for each guy and let that make up your mind. i could make a case that trouba blew the entire postseason for the jets in game 5 of the playoffs last year.
I’ll take Montreal getting Tatar, Suzuki, Norlinder and Leguerrier for Pacioretty all day and twice on Sunday. Tatar has similar stats to Pacioretty and Suzuki will be a better asset in the future. Don’t know about Norlinder and Leguerrier yet but they would be the cherry on top of the Suzuki and Tatar sundae.
The Rangers trade honestly worked for both teams, Trouba is a solid two way anchor and Pionk is a solid offensive defenseman that the Jets have been missing since they lost Byfuligien, it worked for both teams.
I originally thought the Granlund-Fiala trade would come out pretty even, but I agree it's been great for the Wild and underwhelming for the Preds. Another trade I was expecting to come out fairly even was O'Rielly for Sobotka, Berglund, and Thompson. Obviously, it worked out great for STL, but I expected those guy to do more in Buffalo than they have. I thought it seemed like a good move for the Sabres at the time; didn't work out so far.
Unpopular opinion: Carolina won the Skinner trade, they lucked out on not having to pay him 9 million also they drafted Pyotr Kochetkov with the second round pick that the sabres gave them who is looking like the next Bobrovsky
Not to mention Skinner refused to play D and preferred to sit in the neutral zone to try and cherry pick on breakaways. He would have been a negative influence on Svechnikov and possibly stunted his growth instead of allowing him to turn into a well rounded player. Addition by subtraction if you will.
I feel like people have Arizona penciled in as a clear winner in the Hall deal, when really Bahl is a very underrated piece, Nick Merkley was flourishing with the Devils before, and a potential top 10 pick in a very deep draft for a rental player.
Yeah Bahl is the big piece that's going to determine the winner of the trade. He's got a ton of ability in that big body, really looking forward to seeing how he translates.
Somehow the Devils lost the Weber Subban trade, and the Preds came up huge by getting picks and prospects in a cap dump that was used to make space for Duchene (we'll see if it leads to playoff success), and not paying Subban for the year he's had.
I think one of the main factors why people think the Karlsson trade is so bad is not only is he not producing like he used to in Ottawa, but he's carrying an 11 mil cap hit which kinda overlooks his point totals
The Fiala trade was the best thing to happen to the Wild in a very, very long time, although I still think Minnesota could've recouped a bit more value when it happened
To be faire, Granlund is now stuck in a really center-heavy team that has Johansen and Duchene above him in the depth chart, whereas Fiala plays for a very poor team and is close to their #1 option on the wing on PP (unless you still consider Parise to be that guy, which I don't)
I honestly think Nashville and us are pretty similar. Good defensemen, one of which is about to go in the expansion draft. Poor performing forwards in general. Aging goalies starting to fall off. And a young upcoming stud forward about to join the team
@@Thomas_Erickson You seem like a really good fan for supporting your team like that, I might not know the Wild as well as you but I believe they are 1 or 2 years removed from their cup window now, and Nashville still could have a chance this year and next. On the stats sheet I agree their offense is a bit of a letdown but they are running 4 lines that contribute so the points are more split-up. Unfortunately I don't see that with the Wild though.. I agree that Kaprizov coming over will be a big help and if Dumba can step it up you have a solid D but the rest of the line-up will need some work from Guerin this fall in order to be comparable to NSH. Lots of aging players will need replacement soon
Although I don't know if it's Recent, The Ryans Trade. Ryan Strome to The Rangers From The Oilers For Ryan Spooner. At the time, it was considered Two Lackluster Players being Traded For Each Other. Now, it Appears that Spooner is Out Of The NHL, and, Strome is Tearing It Up As A Ranger (his Chemistry with Artemi Panarin is Fabulous on The Rangers' Second Line - Which Sometimes Is As Good Or Better Than The First Line).
I'll be the first to admit I thought the Habs won in the short-term and the Preds won in the long-term. 4 years later, I can say that the Habs definitely won this one hands down. I'm not sure what happened to Subban but one thing I've noticed this year is that he has gotten SLOWWWW. Could be injury-related but his speed/agility/overall edgework has taken a noticeable decline which seriously impacted his performance as his skating was his strongest asset. As for Trouba, time will tell. I think he can bounce back but I sure hope for the Rangers' sake that he does. Top-5 paid defenceman putting up sub-30 points ain't cutting it.
When the Granlund-Fiala trade happened I felt the Preds lost the deal as they already had a logjam at centre with Johanson and Turris, then they added Duchene in free agency. I’m also biased towards Fiala because I’m Swiss lol
Fiala is a blue chip prospect. Uber talented. Anybody that knew anything, realized it wasn't close to a bad deal. It was considered a bad deal because Granlund was more established. Minnesota could have received more. Thats why it was a bad trade at THE TIME
Ngl I think almost everyone thought Mtl lost the domi trade but looking back I’m glad they decided to make that move he just needed a change of scenery
I remember being upset when Granlund got traded because I was a big fan of his, but it isn't Fiala's fault, so I've been happy when he has contributed, and now it's really good to see that he's becoming a top tier forward. Maybe we can even sign Granlund in the off-season!
Erik Karlsson had an insane 18-19, if the sharks won the cup last season it would’ve been a win-win. But it looks like falling short is going to do more than just merely tilt the trade in Ottawa’s favor. Ngl Weber-Subbam is a win-win for everyone, Nashville got the end of Subban’s prime and dealt him before he really fell hard. Montreal got the player who still holds up as better today.
I think with another year and a more solid role (and a more reliable partner) Trouba will rebound. He's still young enough and he does bring a much needed physical edge. He just tried to do way too much (which is what happens with a lot of guys who start making big money - they wanna try to "justify" the contract).
I do have to say Grandlund and Fiala also changed roles drastically. As Grandlund took a much reduced role due to the JOFA line. Fiala was on a wild team that needed someone and anyone. To me as a Preds fan I think this was an even trade. However If Fiala keeps this up over the next couple of season we fumbled the bag. Big time.
I was wrong about the jets trading away trouba. The problem with Montreal Canadians trading for Shea Weber I’d still say Nashville won but that’s only cause Weber had injuries that plagued him. And Nashville did go to the cup finals as you said. Montreal has yet to make the playoffs. So I’m kinda in the middle of who won that trade. And I thought Vancouver won the JT Miller trade cause I knew they wanted to make the push. With petterson and boeser. I forgot what I thought of the fiala trade. And yeah I thought the sharks won initally but they choked and then dipped the playoffs so now the sens are like “yay”
MTL saved some serious salary on that Weber trade too. His cap hit is almost 8 yes but his actual salary from the organization dips hard every year. Made 14 mill first 2 years of that contract paid for by Nashville. MTL gets to meet floor and pay less etc
Agree. also worth mentioning that at the current time, the wild should have got a lot more for Granlund. Fiala's performance saved the trade, but a savvy GM would have gotten much more for Granlund
The thing is that all the good/bad trades , are not as simple as it might seem , u can trade a player like fiala that didnt do great in his last club, but ppl forget that if u change club its different coches, player AND atmosphere and dont forget play style , so even a really bad player can grow and become good in a different team, thats why a trade never has a sure outcome :D
One more thing worth mentioning in regards to the Weber-Subban trade: the recapture penalties. Nashville locked themselves in to $24.6 million of cap advantage when they traded Weber. The longer Weber plays, the more that advantage concentrates and potentially becomes a huge issue (perhaps apocalyptic if it goes on long enough to reach eight figures) if Weber retires early and they have to accept the penalty. Montreal won't have this issue - charts published in 2020 show the Habs' cap advantage for Weber is already low enough that they would only be on the hook for the equivalent of a league minimum contract if he retires this off-season (albeit for six years), and the advantage (and penalty) is gone by 2023. In short, if Weber retires before summer 2026, this trade becomes much, much worse for the Preds; in fact, I would argue this is already a good example of why you should just ride out one of these contracts. (Hopefully the Wild will get this message with regards to Parise, especially since they'd lock into about $19m of advantage, basically near the max amount possible, if they actually get him traded this off-season)
I think Trouba was good for us this year. He was very good defensively but he isn’t putting up the points because it is now DeAngelo and Fox quarterbacking the power play. I’m sure if they had put Trouba on the 1st power play he would have at least 45 points. Do not think he is worth that money if we don’t use him on the power play
Alec Regula for Brendan Perlini: yes, I know Regula has yet to play a game in the NHL, but it looks like he might be something special, and may just likely be on the Blackhawks’ roster during the playoffs. Perlini, on the other hand, has been struggling big time with Detroit; only putting up 4 points in 39 games
SJs trade for Karlsson in itself was really good for SJ. Their mistake was not getting a better goalie and to think their bottom 6 was remotely good enough
I loved the Trouba trade originally, idk why people say it was bad. We wouldve lost trouba soon enough anyway and Pionk was already a flashy great defender in the Rangers and now he's truely blooming with the Jets for fraction of the price tag of trouba, that alone makes it a massive Win for us. But then we also got our pick back and Heinola with that, who was the biggest steal of that draft lol.
Trouba wanted out of Winnipeg for years. The Jets weren't about to let Trouba walk out as a UFA on the end. The Jets waited to get something in return that had a potential upside. Pionk was a very pleasant surprise and Heinola is baking in the oven (AHL). The Jets got something for a very unhappy Trouba.
Fiala for Granlund feels like a salary cap trade, cause at that time, Fiala was actually earning much less than Granlund. Both teams are hard presses against the cap, but the crunch hits the Wild harder cause of the awful Suter and Parise contracts. They needed a cheaper alternative, and they felt Fiala was their guy. Granlund feels more like a costly rental for the Preds, given they were going all in while their core is still in their prime.
Trouba has been more than fine with the Rangers. He's not putting up the points he did in Winnipeg but he's been far from a disappointment. All Ranger fans knew Pionk was going to thrive.
Every defenseman looks terrible with the Rangers defensive system. I don’t blame trouba. Most defenseman who leave the rangers shine with their new team.
Nashville really hosed themselves. Fiala didn’t put up points when he was there, but his game was progressing quite well, and they refused to give him consistent top 6 minutes so he was never going to break out
@@quentinm4967 Ehh...sort of. Fiala's development had kind of stalled. He wouldn't show up on the scoresheet for weeks at a time, he rarely ever tried on defense, and his hockey sense was really lacking. That said, he was probably a casualty of not firing Laviolette sooner. There was constant talk of locker room issues for the past two years. First Fiala was blamed and sent packing, then Subban was blamed and sent packing, and then Turris was blamed...but fortunately before the Preds got rid of him they figured out maybe the coach was the problem. It wouldn't shock me at all to see Fiala turn into a big star and for the Preds to look really dumb for trading him. But I would 100% blame that on Laviolette.
Trouba really picked up his game towards the end. He also soaked up most of the ice time compared to the rest of the rangers defenseman. He was paired with a weak partner, and besides Lindgren, he’s the only physical presence in the Rangers defense. Trouba is a great player and coming to NY he had to adjust with his new role with a terrible defensive coach. He still needs more time to adjust IMO
Sure the Karlsson trade looks as great for the Sens as the Lindros and the Sundin trades turned out for the. Nordiques. How good did these turn out for Québec in the end? Just saying. ..
If you're implying Ottawa is moving that's not happening. Ottawa has a history of selling out for almost two decades. That and the NHL is not dumb and see the current "issues" in Ottawa right now have close to nothing to do with fans or their love of the team; it's the owner. That and after the Jets fiasco they'd rather not get the bad press of moving a team that's been highly successful and is currently turning a profit despite poor attendance. That and there are ownership groups in Ottawa that will gladly buy the team out of Melnyk's hands. that was not a case in Quebec City when Marcel Aubut sold the Nords in 1995. That and before we talk about the possibility of teams folding Ottawa is not even close to that situation if COVID keeps teams from playing. The teams in real risk are Florida, Arizona, Anaheim, Columbus and Winnipeg. The Sens are staying put in Ottawa and this trade will be very good for them and the city.
Weird how everyone says Trouba needs another year to settle in with the Rangers, but nothing about what Pionk can do with another year and an improved D-corps around him. 🤔
There's a difference between trade value and perception. They were considered bad trades because of their perceived value. Weber for Subban was a bad trade for the Habs because they could have received more. Same goes for Minnesota with the Fiala deal.
Yes but he also got better the 2nd half. To me i expected him to struggle the 1st half of season with his new role, new team, new coach's & new system. He brings something the Rangers lack big time in & that's a physical brand of hockey so he is highly valuable to us!
Pionk, McDonagh, Shattenkirk. All improved after leaving. Shattenkirk was a disappointment. Brendan Smith forgot how to hockey when he got here. Skjei has been misused, let’s see how he does in Carolina. And now Trouba... if the Devils want Lindy, I’ll gladly help move his stuff to Newark
for the fiala granlund trade' it's a good trade for both team, I mean the two players are even on talent and skill. For the stats, they are the same because it's normal to have more points with wild because you have more time on the ice with minnesota
Markstrom trade that sent Luongo back to Florida. Who would've thought Markstrom could figure it out and become one of the most underrated goalies in the league?
Shouldn't put Fiala, Granlund trade to this. I don't think Fiala is that good, Granlund is just going with some changes in his life. Fiala is having a great(ish) season but, c'moon!, of these two? Granlund is obviously the better player, and even thou Fiala is 4 years younger, Granlund also has the better future ahead of him. + Fiala has yet to prove himself, its only 1 season, not even a full season.
Ohhh man.. I kinda knew back then Ottawa won that trade! Don't get me wrong Karlsson is all star player he was always suspect defending.. and now we can clearly see it in Sharks! Plus most importantly Ottawa got Tim Stutzle.. what a player he can become!
Cheveldayoff does not get enough credit for his vision. More good deals than bad, and that includes the years when they returned to Winnipeg when he focused on stocking the cupbords in line with the Jets preconcieved draft and develop strategy. We reaped the benefits of the Evander Kane trade for about three seasons. Maybe we still are.
When that Trouba trade happened i said that Jets won because Pionk and Trouba about the same level D mens and they saved money and got Heinola in that trade. Karlsson is not the level he was in his best days but imo Ottawa should have got even moore in that trade.
I don't know, i think trouba was a fantastic trade for the rangers. As mentioned in the video, defense men aren't all about points, Trouba has much more to offer in the defensive half of the ice.
Erik Karlsson will bounce back. He also set up the best goal in Sharks history with a brilliantly subtle play. He’s had a lot of time to heal and whenever the 2020-21 season starts, we’ll all see a difference.
I mean, the trade worked out for Minnesota, but they should have got more for Granlund when they traded him. At that time, he was by far the better player.
lol trouba is such a good defenseman neal pionk literally needs a babysitter. once the rangers have a somewhat decent defenseman that can play on the left side trouba will actually be able to contribute offensively too
I remember saying the Karlsson trade was bad from the start, even if Karlsson was playing like ottowa Karlsson, he wasnt the right fit in San Jose, a team that had a number 1 offensive defenseman in Brett burns. And I thought ottowa got a steal because of it. Furthermore, considering that San Jose had to loose Pavelski to keep Karlsson, it looks even worse
It's a good trade for Ottawa, but not for that reason. They got some good draft picks that will jumpstart their future. As for San Jose, it was a good trade for them when it was made and it's still a good trade for them today. There's nothing that suggests Karlsson hasn't fit in well in San Jose, as his partnership with Burns has been great so far.
@@FunWithMemesFunWithMemesyes, that's why less than a year later, San Jose went from a cup contender to being 3rd worst in the NHL, that's what you're looking for in a good trade, right? eh, its okay, at least they have their first round pick to look forward to. Oh, wait.
@@thehoneycamper2634 The Sharks are in the same position as the Warriors in the NBA, they both had bad seasons but they'll be back in title contention in 2021.
Brandon Smith honestly, I feel like everybody won that trade. The Pens got 2 cups with Phil, and the Leafs got a lot of help in the prospect pool that is helping them now.
What about domi for galchenyuk everyone thought Arizona won but in retrospect the canadiens won
Facts
Good point, just to remind, he can only do 5 and that's it but you are absolutely right
I don't think anyone thought Arizona won that trade, Domi was already a really good player, Galchenyuk more of a system guy and quickly backslid, but he still put up a very similar statline in Arizona to what Domi put up this year, plus they got Phil Kessel out of it, who we all know is irreplaceable so long as you can afford enough hot dogs to feed him.
pretty sure no one WON ... The fact is .... Domi is probably gonna get shipped away soon since his number arnt there this year so ...
After getting fleeced in the Duchene trade Ottawa learned how to do that to other teams
I feel like the sharks did not get fleeced the sharks need to win now and Karlsson is a player that will help you in the short term and I do not think Quinton byfield or Tim stutzle will compare to a healthy Erik Karlsson. The sharks then got the best trade Goodrow for a first in a deep draft the sharks get a pick that they normally would have gotten in a good year. If Meier Sorensen and suomela develop well it won't look like a bad trade. The Ottawa Senators got lucky too the sharks got very injured this season more of pure luck than a smart trade still though Ottawa got good value.
Alexis lafreniere will be way better then erik Karlsson and Ottawa could get him in the draft.
Devin Blackburn that’s still and if and that certainly isn’t immediate. Karlsson is already there.
Ryan Aberg they won’t, you seriously think the league won’t force the wings to win the 1st pick?
Never forget the time when Ottawa got bent over by the god himself Jeff Gorton and traded away Zib for Brassard 😂 “he is to distracted by his music career” lmaooooo
While you're right about the Granlund-Fiala trade you could have mentioned that large portion of Granlund's points came under another coach after firing Laviolette. We'll see what happens there.
I see so much Giroux in Granlund. Highly skilled not fast not great defensively. Moving him to wing with a responsible center or shelter his matchups and you have a 60-80 point player.
GRANLUND IS A BUST!!!!
Jk. He is good player, hope next year is his bounce back year whether in Nashville or in another team.
I still think the trade is too early to tell. Granny is blossoming under Hynes system.
Granlund has been playing WAY much better with John Hynes
100% agree. Honestly, I even think Fiala would have done better under Hynes. The Predators were just discarding players and trying to plug in any piece they could find (Simmonds, Boyle, etc) to try to save Laviolette's legacy. It took them way too long to realize his actual legacy is souring locker rooms and letting a good team slip away. I'm still not convinced Hynes is a long term solution, but there was no excuse for Laviolette having the roster he did and getting that little production.
I don’t know how Chevy pulled that trade off, but he is an absolute genius. Pionk>>>Trouba and we ended up with Ville Hinola 😊
Daniel how I’ve been watching pionk and he’s really really good
I liked pionk when he was with the rangers but we needed a big body with a great stick on defence. Troubas getting used to the system and our players. In the beginning he seemed lost. I like trouba alot he saves alot of potential goals. Gotta love the big hits and that cannon slap shot. Fun to watch
Great first year trade for Pionk for sure, but can he keep this up? This is either just a career breakout year or he’ll come back down to earth, my vote is the latter as I still don’t know if he’s capable to being an elite top pairing offensive defensemen. Certainly a top 4, but either way, still a great trade by getting Heinola in this deal. At the same time, not horrible for the rangers as they needed to accelerate the rebuild a bit and Trouba was a good pick for that, and with the emergence of Fox and D’Angelo, they don’t require him to be a high producing defensemen (even though I expect him to bounce back next season) and work on his defensive game
Daniel Randol-Novikoff hrs gonna be a top 20 dman face it you overpayed massively for not even a top 40 defender
Neal Pionk was absolutely horrific in his own end with NY. For a short while, he played a strong offensive game, but that dried up after about a half-season.
One thing of note is that Pionk has an offensize-zone start percentage over 60% this season, while, with NY it was down about 48%. This just goes to show the difference in how Maurice is using Pionk vs. how Vigneault/Quinn used him.
FWIW, Trouba's offensive-zone start percentage this season was around 40% and he's been paired with below-replacement-level partners in Marc Staal, Libor Hajek and Brendan Smith. Trouba hasn't been good either - certainly well below the $8.5M cap hit - but chances are things will improve for him.
It also could speak to the poor job that Quinn and Lindy Ruff are doing with NYR defense - Rangers fans have long criticized Ruff who is in charge of the defense.
The matt duchene trade saved Joe Sakic’s job
I could tell Heinola was gonna be insane by the highlights they showed when he got drafted. Good skater great hockey iq and a confident kid. Reminds me of Quinn Hughes
as a jets fan, heinolas skating was honestly his biggest weakness lol, I love him too, but its about his brain not his feet
yep
LUKE HILL ehh Jets fan! Me too :)
i met him and hes funny as hell
@Devin Blackburn your definitely right I wasnt saying he was as good as Quinn although his character and confidence remind me of Quinn. No doubt Quinn is better but Heiola is gonna be a good d man
The lightning traded the pick to the devils and they only get it this years if the canucks win the play in series vs the wild
I'm a Canucks fan, when we got Miller, I was nervous because it was risky. I thought it would be a pretty even trade although I never knew we even had that goalie. Miller was incredible this year, much better than expected. And the best part is he's a two way player who played on both the powerplay and the penalty kill.
All the rangers fans coming out of the gate talking about how AWFUL Pionk was are somehow still trying to find a way to call this trade a win. Trouba had good seasons when the jets were one of the deepest teams in the league on the blue line and he had a Vezina contender bailing out his mistakes. He's not a bad defenceman, but he's probably a second pair defenseman at his peak. I'm not sure Pionk is much better than that, ill agree. But given the difference in contract + the addition of a promising defenseman in Heinola, this really doesn't seem that close.
Pionk was always considered solid in my opinion...trouba brings a bit more physicality which we need. Like what him and Lindgren brings
I really only liked the trade was because of his physicallity but pionk i liked alot. But yea hes def a 2 pair or 3 depending on quinnys choice.
To be fair Pionk was terrible as a Ranger, but they choose to ignore that he was a young kid forced to be a terrible teams top D-man on an AHL quality defense with an aging goaltender whose best seasons were in the rearview mirror. Pionk wasn't ready to be a #1 on such a bad team and it showed. This year, without the pressure (Morrissey was our clear number 1) Pionk came in, played his game and was a HUGE part in the Jets making the qualifying round, outplaying Morrissey on a nightly basis.
NYR wins by drafting Lafreniere
@@bponcho414 Which has literally nothing to do with this trade lol
Rangers really screwed up that contract with trouba
The dude can’t skate while I watch him idk man he seems terrible
Indeed
To me Trouba isnt a top end dman like everyone thinks he is. hes a solid top 4 dman with decent offensive ability but can have pretty good offensive seasons... Pionk i think is just a solid top 4 dman with ok offensive ability... but for $3 million id take pionk all day
@@phazerphred5917 dude that's exactly what I've said in Winnipeg for years. Hes not a bad defenseman by any means, but hes not top 2 guy. Morrissey just made him look that way because hes both decent offensively and so bloody underratedly fast he could beat most wingers back, also thinks the game at a high level. Dudes the most underrated defenseman in the league because he sacrifices getting points so he can always fix his d partners mistakes. I will say though I did like him paired with Trouba because Trouba was very physical and had a better shot. But I dont miss him that much honestly.
Yeah. Always been very overrated. Merely a 2nd pair guy.
Being honest, I always felt the Weber-Subban trade was won by Montreal.
As for the Trouba trade. I think he can bounce back. Trouba lost his close friend (Morrisey) and has to adjust to a brand new system. He will be better next year
Arjun Akella and isn’t as good and doesn’t even play for the team anymore
As a Rangers fan that was pissed about the trade then it has gotten worse since. He got a 8 by 7 deal which he would be lucky to get 3/4 of that before the pandemic and the kicker is they gave up Pionk who had a much better season and a first for one year of control of Trouba. Jeff Gorton is a terrible GM so it’s no shock the only trades he has won is against Petey and Eugene Melynk
@@abakella he is already on the way down though
Same, I always saw the Habs as the win. For me, Weber is just a better player period.
@@blondedzero Weber is a pylon and if you don't see that you're not watchin closely enough
I love Pionk.🥰 and time be quite honest I’m a Jets fan and I hated Trouba
I never got all the hate that Rangers fans had for Pionk, but he did have problems defensively. I saw a lot of potential in him. As for Trouba, he needs to adjust to a new system, but he is definitely not worth anything near 8 million.
Agreed, also a Jets fan and have hated Trouba ever since his first trade request and arbitration. Also holding the puck behind our own net when there was time to go down the ice and score in the game that knocked us out of playoffs, one of the laziest plays I've ever seen.
As a Senators fan living in the SF Bay area, I will never forget the Erik Karlsson trade. One of my friends who was a Sharks fan brushed off the 1st round pick as a late first round pick.😁
You are totally right about that Granlund/Fiala trade, but let's not forget that there were locker room problems with Fiala. You could see that at the first 2 games Minnesota und Nashville played against each other after the trade. Johansen and Forsberg both nearly fought Fiala and they have also shouted some words to each other. While Ryan and Filip seemed to laugh about it, Fiala didn't look happy at all.
So much goes into the evaluation of a trade. First, there is an increasingly important issue of cap space. Then, there is the issue of control of the player received. Then there is the issue of "win now" v "build for the future". The trade can be a win-win for both teams. Most people look at "win now", but in reality the other factors need to be looked at. A few observations on the trades- Trouba was going to leave WPG anyway, they had to get something. Where WPG got fleeced was in the Hayes trade, but that was "win now". Weber holds all of the aces on NAS in this deal, which is what makes the deal really work for MTL. If Weber retires earlier, NAS is saddled with virtually all of the cap hit- an impact of perhaps $24mil+! There is also chemistry issues, which evidently played out in the NAS locker room as well. JT Miller's numbers went up b/c he was no longer getting 3rd line minutes in VAN. TBL had an embarrassment of offensive riches. While I hate the Sharks, OTT didn't even fish Hertl or Labanc out of the deal, which is why it was a good trade for SJS- and it was definitely win now mode. SJS got burned b/c they should've known EK65 was going to hold the Sharks up like DD did with the Kings.
As a Jets fan im glad we traded trouba and that was a great trade
I was so happy when we did because I never liked Trouba.
i agree.... hes very overated... he has one 50 point season and everyone thinks hes a top 5 dman in the league
He’s a great d man. One good season from pionk means nothing. Trouba is much better
i think Troubas play was influenced alot by all the starpower the jets have upfront and his defensepartner Morrissey. He is an ok 3 or a good 4th defenseman. Neal Pionk turned great this year however i expect him to regress a fair bit next year. The big win here in this trade is heinola
Trouba is a Great d-man. Yes he started slow but that was expected, & got even better the 2nd half. Trouba had to learn a new system, new country, new coaches, new players. People also have to look at what the NY Rangers don't have without Trouba & that's a d-man that plays a physical brand of defense which most of the NY Rangers players lack in that area except for maybe Brendan Lemuix & Ryan Lindgren yes, who is a rookie. But i do think the Rangers trade Trouba before the end of his contract, to a team of his choosing again because of ALL the good young players coming up through the ranks. I think it was a fair trade for both teams because the Rangers really only gave up pionk for trouba & The Rangers already had too many Pionks or players who are better then Pionk already & cheaper.
The only thing I don’t like about the trouba deal is the contract, he’s gotta better overall game than Neil but not going to win all of them. But also for me Ville heinola is going to be really good but if the rangers had that pick they prolly don’t take him anyway. The rangers don’t need d prospects, have way to many at that position
Legit trouba can’t play defense like are you watching the same game as me
Bruh are you high I mean trouba can’t skate he’s as dumb as I rock and always gets beat he is a total liability and you are on something how is pionk getting pushed around like ur just making an excuse to how bad trouba is
Kg Mikey what are you talking about
@Patrick Donaldson it was decently close this season but in terms of general play and advanced numbers, pionk was better. you can't cherry pick a play for each guy and let that make up your mind. i could make a case that trouba blew the entire postseason for the jets in game 5 of the playoffs last year.
Patrick Donaldson ya but he’s better on offence and defence they only thing trouba has over pionk is his physicality
Such a good trade for the jets
I’ll take Montreal getting Tatar, Suzuki, Norlinder and Leguerrier for Pacioretty all day and twice on Sunday. Tatar has similar stats to Pacioretty and Suzuki will be a better asset in the future. Don’t know about Norlinder and Leguerrier yet but they would be the cherry on top of the Suzuki and Tatar sundae.
The Rangers trade honestly worked for both teams, Trouba is a solid two way anchor and Pionk is a solid offensive defenseman that the Jets have been missing since they lost Byfuligien, it worked for both teams.
we’ll see
Idk man but I will respect ur opinion
I love your channel and ur quizzes keep it up👍👍❤️
I originally thought the Granlund-Fiala trade would come out pretty even, but I agree it's been great for the Wild and underwhelming for the Preds.
Another trade I was expecting to come out fairly even was O'Rielly for Sobotka, Berglund, and Thompson. Obviously, it worked out great for STL, but I expected those guy to do more in Buffalo than they have. I thought it seemed like a good move for the Sabres at the time; didn't work out so far.
Unpopular opinion: Carolina won the Skinner trade, they lucked out on not having to pay him 9 million also they drafted Pyotr Kochetkov with the second round pick that the sabres gave them who is looking like the next Bobrovsky
They still could have gotten more for him
They should’ve got way more and would’ve been better off using him as a self rental if not.
Not to mention Skinner refused to play D and preferred to sit in the neutral zone to try and cherry pick on breakaways. He would have been a negative influence on Svechnikov and possibly stunted his growth instead of allowing him to turn into a well rounded player. Addition by subtraction if you will.
"the next bobrovsky" so you mean a goaltender who never has two good seasons in a row? Give me a break, Bobrovsky is and will be over hyped.
Love this vid make a part two!
I feel like people have Arizona penciled in as a clear winner in the Hall deal, when really Bahl is a very underrated piece, Nick Merkley was flourishing with the Devils before, and a potential top 10 pick in a very deep draft for a rental player.
IF Hall signs with the Yotes it’s a much closer trade
If he walks .. the yotes got fleeced 😂
As someone who lives in Ottawa and sees a ton of 67s games bahl is a beast
Yeah Bahl is the big piece that's going to determine the winner of the trade. He's got a ton of ability in that big body, really looking forward to seeing how he translates.
Somehow the Devils lost the Weber Subban trade, and the Preds came up huge by getting picks and prospects in a cap dump that was used to make space for Duchene (we'll see if it leads to playoff success), and not paying Subban for the year he's had.
I think one of the main factors why people think the Karlsson trade is so bad is not only is he not producing like he used to in Ottawa, but he's carrying an 11 mil cap hit which kinda overlooks his point totals
The Fiala trade was the best thing to happen to the Wild in a very, very long time, although I still think Minnesota could've recouped a bit more value when it happened
You missed the fact Tampa traded that 1st round pick for Blake Coleman.
There definitely hasn't been enough time to judge how that trade panned out.
that one was actually very good for Tampa. Its not easy to get that much quality with so low salary.
Yeah that doesnt belong anywhere on this list. Hes played like 15 games for them ...
To be faire, Granlund is now stuck in a really center-heavy team that has Johansen and Duchene above him in the depth chart, whereas Fiala plays for a very poor team and is close to their #1 option on the wing on PP (unless you still consider Parise to be that guy, which I don't)
I honestly think Nashville and us are pretty similar. Good defensemen, one of which is about to go in the expansion draft. Poor performing forwards in general. Aging goalies starting to fall off. And a young upcoming stud forward about to join the team
@@Thomas_Erickson You seem like a really good fan for supporting your team like that, I might not know the Wild as well as you but I believe they are 1 or 2 years removed from their cup window now, and Nashville still could have a chance this year and next. On the stats sheet I agree their offense is a bit of a letdown but they are running 4 lines that contribute so the points are more split-up. Unfortunately I don't see that with the Wild though.. I agree that Kaprizov coming over will be a big help and if Dumba can step it up you have a solid D but the rest of the line-up will need some work from Guerin this fall in order to be comparable to NSH. Lots of aging players will need replacement soon
Although I don't know if it's Recent, The Ryans Trade. Ryan Strome to The Rangers From The Oilers For Ryan Spooner. At the time, it was considered Two Lackluster Players being Traded For Each Other. Now, it Appears that Spooner is Out Of The NHL, and, Strome is Tearing It Up As A Ranger (his Chemistry with Artemi Panarin is Fabulous on The Rangers' Second Line - Which Sometimes Is As Good Or Better Than The First Line).
in terms of personality and character, leadership qualities etc, I'd take Weber over Subban any day, and I like Subban but he's no Shea Weber
I'll be the first to admit I thought the Habs won in the short-term and the Preds won in the long-term. 4 years later, I can say that the Habs definitely won this one hands down. I'm not sure what happened to Subban but one thing I've noticed this year is that he has gotten SLOWWWW. Could be injury-related but his speed/agility/overall edgework has taken a noticeable decline which seriously impacted his performance as his skating was his strongest asset.
As for Trouba, time will tell. I think he can bounce back but I sure hope for the Rangers' sake that he does. Top-5 paid defenceman putting up sub-30 points ain't cutting it.
When the Granlund-Fiala trade happened I felt the Preds lost the deal as they already had a logjam at centre with Johanson and Turris, then they added Duchene in free agency. I’m also biased towards Fiala because I’m Swiss lol
yeah
Fiala is a blue chip prospect. Uber talented. Anybody that knew anything, realized it wasn't close to a bad deal. It was considered a bad deal because Granlund was more established. Minnesota could have received more. Thats why it was a bad trade at THE TIME
Nobody talks about the absolute steal of a trade with the Wings snagging Robby Fabbri from the Blues for a 4th liner we got off waivers.
Ngl I think almost everyone thought Mtl lost the domi trade but looking back I’m glad they decided to make that move he just needed a change of scenery
true
I will say i was pissed cuz i liked Chucky..but sure as hell am a HUGE fan of that trade now.
I remember being upset when Granlund got traded because I was a big fan of his, but it isn't Fiala's fault, so I've been happy when he has contributed, and now it's really good to see that he's becoming a top tier forward. Maybe we can even sign Granlund in the off-season!
Good video content-now a subscriber-keep it coming.
Everyone was wrong about the Neal Lucic trade. Actually turned out pretty even for both sides.
Love your channel
Erik Karlsson had an insane 18-19, if the sharks won the cup last season it would’ve been a win-win. But it looks like falling short is going to do more than just merely tilt the trade in Ottawa’s favor. Ngl Weber-Subbam is a win-win for everyone, Nashville got the end of Subban’s prime and dealt him before he really fell hard. Montreal got the player who still holds up as better today.
I think with another year and a more solid role (and a more reliable partner) Trouba will rebound. He's still young enough and he does bring a much needed physical edge. He just tried to do way too much (which is what happens with a lot of guys who start making big money - they wanna try to "justify" the contract).
I do have to say Grandlund and Fiala also changed roles drastically. As Grandlund took a much reduced role due to the JOFA line. Fiala was on a wild team that needed someone and anyone. To me as a Preds fan I think this was an even trade. However If Fiala keeps this up over the next couple of season we fumbled the bag. Big time.
I was wrong about the jets trading away trouba. The problem with Montreal Canadians trading for Shea Weber I’d still say Nashville won but that’s only cause Weber had injuries that plagued him. And Nashville did go to the cup finals as you said. Montreal has yet to make the playoffs. So I’m kinda in the middle of who won that trade. And I thought Vancouver won the JT Miller trade cause I knew they wanted to make the push. With petterson and boeser. I forgot what I thought of the fiala trade. And yeah I thought the sharks won initally but they choked and then dipped the playoffs so now the sens are like “yay”
MTL saved some serious salary on that Weber trade too. His cap hit is almost 8 yes but his actual salary from the organization dips hard every year. Made 14 mill first 2 years of that contract paid for by Nashville. MTL gets to meet floor and pay less etc
just watched your video on the rangers future. Can you do something similar to the habs? I think they have a VERY bright future
yeah but granlund would have been better in Wild than Fiala. Granlund just hasn’t found a strong fit in Preds.
Agree. also worth mentioning that at the current time, the wild should have got a lot more for Granlund. Fiala's performance saved the trade, but a savvy GM would have gotten much more for Granlund
@taylorgordon93 *At the time
The thing is that all the good/bad trades , are not as simple as it might seem , u can trade a player like fiala that didnt do great in his last club, but ppl forget that if u change club its different coches, player AND atmosphere and dont forget play style , so even a really bad player can grow and become good in a different team, thats why a trade never has a sure outcome :D
at that time I knew pionk was better and I was so upset when he got traded for trouba. In the back of mind I knew Winnipeg got lucky.
One more thing worth mentioning in regards to the Weber-Subban trade: the recapture penalties. Nashville locked themselves in to $24.6 million of cap advantage when they traded Weber. The longer Weber plays, the more that advantage concentrates and potentially becomes a huge issue (perhaps apocalyptic if it goes on long enough to reach eight figures) if Weber retires early and they have to accept the penalty.
Montreal won't have this issue - charts published in 2020 show the Habs' cap advantage for Weber is already low enough that they would only be on the hook for the equivalent of a league minimum contract if he retires this off-season (albeit for six years), and the advantage (and penalty) is gone by 2023.
In short, if Weber retires before summer 2026, this trade becomes much, much worse for the Preds; in fact, I would argue this is already a good example of why you should just ride out one of these contracts. (Hopefully the Wild will get this message with regards to Parise, especially since they'd lock into about $19m of advantage, basically near the max amount possible, if they actually get him traded this off-season)
(I’m an NYR fan) Trouba doesn’t play on the 1st power play unit, but I’m pretty sure Pionk does with WPG, so that is why he has less points
huge trade by Minnesota to get Fiala. he’s gonna lead the Wild’s offence in the next couple seasons. (if he resigns)
I think Trouba was good for us this year. He was very good defensively but he isn’t putting up the points because it is now DeAngelo and Fox quarterbacking the power play. I’m sure if they had put Trouba on the 1st power play he would have at least 45 points. Do not think he is worth that money if we don’t use him on the power play
he doesn’t look like he is worth the money
Trouba sucked
Bruh are you seeing him skate he looks like he has bricks under his feet
there were rumours in the 2016 draft that montreal offered pk for draisaitl and i wanted it so bad but ive never been more happy to be wrong
Fiala was a good fantasy pick up this year 🤘🏻
Alec Regula for Brendan Perlini: yes, I know Regula has yet to play a game in the NHL, but it looks like he might be something special, and may just likely be on the Blackhawks’ roster during the playoffs. Perlini, on the other hand, has been struggling big time with Detroit; only putting up 4 points in 39 games
can you do a video about predictions for the nhl awards? personally i have josi for norris panarin for hart and hellyebuck for vezina, to name a few
SJs trade for Karlsson in itself was really good for SJ. Their mistake was not getting a better goalie and to think their bottom 6 was remotely good enough
I do think at the time of the fiala-granlund trade the wild could of got more in return. Be it a pick or prospect
About the Fiala Granlund trade, they were right when they said it was a bad trade, but not for the Wild, it was aweful for the Preds
love the video idea, keep up the good content
it is a good idea
I loved the Trouba trade originally, idk why people say it was bad. We wouldve lost trouba soon enough anyway and Pionk was already a flashy great defender in the Rangers and now he's truely blooming with the Jets for fraction of the price tag of trouba, that alone makes it a massive Win for us. But then we also got our pick back and Heinola with that, who was the biggest steal of that draft lol.
Trouba wanted out of Winnipeg for years. The Jets weren't about to let Trouba walk out as a UFA on the end. The Jets waited to get something in return that had a potential upside. Pionk was a very pleasant surprise and Heinola is baking in the oven (AHL). The Jets got something for a very unhappy Trouba.
Thoughts on the Johansson/Jones trade from a few years ago?
Fiala for Granlund feels like a salary cap trade, cause at that time, Fiala was actually earning much less than Granlund. Both teams are hard presses against the cap, but the crunch hits the Wild harder cause of the awful Suter and Parise contracts. They needed a cheaper alternative, and they felt Fiala was their guy. Granlund feels more like a costly rental for the Preds, given they were going all in while their core is still in their prime.
6:38 Math error: 52+72=124. Also, I checked his stats and Weber had 75 assists, which explains where the 127 came from.
Trouba has been more than fine with the Rangers. He's not putting up the points he did in Winnipeg but he's been far from a disappointment. All Ranger fans knew Pionk was going to thrive.
You should do videos on the best playoffs series of each round in the past decade to gear up for the upcoming playoffs.
Every defenseman looks terrible with the Rangers defensive system. I don’t blame trouba. Most defenseman who leave the rangers shine with their new team.
Fiala was a steal, no cap. He is one of the best minnesota players
definitely
Nashville really hosed themselves. Fiala didn’t put up points when he was there, but his game was progressing quite well, and they refused to give him consistent top 6 minutes so he was never going to break out
@@quentinm4967 Ehh...sort of. Fiala's development had kind of stalled. He wouldn't show up on the scoresheet for weeks at a time, he rarely ever tried on defense, and his hockey sense was really lacking. That said, he was probably a casualty of not firing Laviolette sooner. There was constant talk of locker room issues for the past two years. First Fiala was blamed and sent packing, then Subban was blamed and sent packing, and then Turris was blamed...but fortunately before the Preds got rid of him they figured out maybe the coach was the problem. It wouldn't shock me at all to see Fiala turn into a big star and for the Preds to look really dumb for trading him. But I would 100% blame that on Laviolette.
Imo the Miller trade is still a pretty even trade, Tampas gonna get a top 15 pick in a stacked draft class, plus a third
Trouba really picked up his game towards the end. He also soaked up most of the ice time compared to the rest of the rangers defenseman. He was paired with a weak partner, and besides Lindgren, he’s the only physical presence in the Rangers defense. Trouba is a great player and coming to NY he had to adjust with his new role with a terrible defensive coach. He still needs more time to adjust IMO
Sure the Karlsson trade looks as great for the Sens as the Lindros and the Sundin trades turned out for the. Nordiques. How good did these turn out for Québec in the end? Just saying. ..
If you're implying Ottawa is moving that's not happening. Ottawa has a history of selling out for almost two decades. That and the NHL is not dumb and see the current "issues" in Ottawa right now have close to nothing to do with fans or their love of the team; it's the owner. That and after the Jets fiasco they'd rather not get the bad press of moving a team that's been highly successful and is currently turning a profit despite poor attendance. That and there are ownership groups in Ottawa that will gladly buy the team out of Melnyk's hands. that was not a case in Quebec City when Marcel Aubut sold the Nords in 1995.
That and before we talk about the possibility of teams folding Ottawa is not even close to that situation if COVID keeps teams from playing. The teams in real risk are Florida, Arizona, Anaheim, Columbus and Winnipeg. The Sens are staying put in Ottawa and this trade will be very good for them and the city.
The franchise that traded Lindros became a dynasty for years.
Weird how everyone says Trouba needs another year to settle in with the Rangers, but nothing about what Pionk can do with another year and an improved D-corps around him. 🤔
There's a difference between trade value and perception. They were considered bad trades because of their perceived value. Weber for Subban was a bad trade for the Habs because they could have received more. Same goes for Minnesota with the Fiala deal.
Trouba looked bad this season because of Ruff. Every player who leaves his teams improves
Yes but he also got better the 2nd half. To me i expected him to struggle the 1st half of season with his new role, new team, new coach's & new system. He brings something the Rangers lack big time in & that's a physical brand of hockey so he is highly valuable to us!
Pionk, McDonagh, Shattenkirk. All improved after leaving. Shattenkirk was a disappointment. Brendan Smith forgot how to hockey when he got here. Skjei has been misused, let’s see how he does in Carolina. And now Trouba... if the Devils want Lindy, I’ll gladly help move his stuff to Newark
for the fiala granlund trade' it's a good trade for both team, I mean the two players are even on talent and skill. For the stats, they are the same because it's normal to have more points with wild because you have more time on the ice with minnesota
Markstrom trade that sent Luongo back to Florida. Who would've thought Markstrom could figure it out and become one of the most underrated goalies in the league?
Vancouver hasn't made the playoffs yet! so the conditional 1st pick is still undetermined
I think you should Ev included the flames- hurricanes trade. I'm a flames fan and I think flames won that but people thought Carolina won.
what were the assets?
Neal-Lucic trade?? Help us a little my man
Shouldn't put Fiala, Granlund trade to this. I don't think Fiala is that good, Granlund is just going with some changes in his life.
Fiala is having a great(ish) season but, c'moon!, of these two? Granlund is obviously the better player, and even thou Fiala
is 4 years younger, Granlund also has the better future ahead of him. + Fiala has yet to prove himself, its only 1 season,
not even a full season.
Ohhh man.. I kinda knew back then Ottawa won that trade! Don't get me wrong Karlsson is all star player he was always suspect defending.. and now we can clearly see it in Sharks! Plus most importantly Ottawa got Tim Stutzle.. what a player he can become!
Cheveldayoff does not get enough credit for his vision. More good deals than bad, and that includes the years when they returned to Winnipeg when he focused on stocking the cupbords in line with the Jets preconcieved draft and develop strategy. We reaped the benefits of the Evander Kane trade for about three seasons. Maybe we still are.
Quinn was a Defensive-Minded Type Head Coach with The NYRs, so, I'm not so sure Trouba played his best as a result
When that Trouba trade happened i said that Jets won because Pionk and Trouba about the same level D mens and they saved money and got Heinola in that trade.
Karlsson is not the level he was in his best days but imo Ottawa should have got even moore in that trade.
Nice video!!
true but you haven’t even watched the video yet because it just released
9:57 NHL20 franchise mode belike
Patch for Tatar and Susuki
Pacioretty looks like Mr. Bean
I don't know, i think trouba was a fantastic trade for the rangers. As mentioned in the video, defense men aren't all about points, Trouba has much more to offer in the defensive half of the ice.
Erik Karlsson will bounce back. He also set up the best goal in Sharks history with a brilliantly subtle play. He’s had a lot of time to heal and whenever the 2020-21 season starts, we’ll all see a difference.
No he won’t
I mean, the trade worked out for Minnesota, but they should have got more for Granlund when they traded him. At that time, he was by far the better player.
You should do trade trees!
Nice thumbnail 👍
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lol trouba is such a good defenseman neal pionk literally needs a babysitter. once the rangers have a somewhat decent defenseman that can play on the left side trouba will actually be able to contribute offensively too
That dramatic pause at 8:03 had me going back to make sure I wasn’t just high
I like the new background music
The trade I want hopefully transpire NYRangers getting No1., Alexis Lafreniere. Let'sGoRangers!
I remember saying the Karlsson trade was bad from the start, even if Karlsson was playing like ottowa Karlsson, he wasnt the right fit in San Jose, a team that had a number 1 offensive defenseman in Brett burns. And I thought ottowa got a steal because of it. Furthermore, considering that San Jose had to loose Pavelski to keep Karlsson, it looks even worse
It's a good trade for Ottawa, but not for that reason. They got some good draft picks that will jumpstart their future.
As for San Jose, it was a good trade for them when it was made and it's still a good trade for them today. There's nothing that suggests Karlsson hasn't fit in well in San Jose, as his partnership with Burns has been great so far.
Fun With Memes lmao
@@gimmick7389 It's true
@@FunWithMemesFunWithMemesyes, that's why less than a year later, San Jose went from a cup contender to being 3rd worst in the NHL, that's what you're looking for in a good trade, right? eh, its okay, at least they have their first round pick to look forward to. Oh, wait.
@@thehoneycamper2634 The Sharks are in the same position as the Warriors in the NBA, they both had bad seasons but they'll be back in title contention in 2021.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Phil Kessel trade to Pittsburg
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Brandon Smith honestly, I feel like everybody won that trade. The Pens got 2 cups with Phil, and the Leafs got a lot of help in the prospect pool that is helping them now.
Master of 4 Strings Well it also got them Andersen
How bout Kubalik trade to Chicago? He went there from LA for 5th round pick. Scored 30 goals, ťhat seems like steal for me
Was definitely a steal, but nobody said that the kings getting a 5th was a steal. Not really the point of the video I guess
I saw some comments saying something like “free pick for kings” etc because Kubalik played in Swiss league. But I get your point
NJ gets the Vancouver 1st as a part of the Blake Coleman trade