The Hidden Antarctic History of Polynesians
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2023
- Is it possible that a Polynesian tribe existed in Antarctica? We explore the oral history of the Maori in New Zealand as recorded in a book from 1904 to find out. The early Polynesians and later Maori were expert travelers of the sea and could find land in the middle of the vast pacific ocean by following the stars and natural patterns of the earth. They no doubt knew of the giant continent to the south of them, Antarctica and traveled there on at least several occasions. It is challenging to conduct archaeological studies in Antarctica so evidence for this settlement has gone unnoticed. However the Native Maori in New Zealand, The Cook Islands, the Tonga Islands, and many more around the pacific know the truth of the antarctic history and of the early Polynesian voyages to Antarctica.
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Im maori this was a cool vid. We still have our dubble hulled waka, theyre called waka hourua. And when europeans were first exploring the sub Antarctic islands they did find maori living on enderby and auckland island. They were 'relocated' to the mainland of te waipounamu. ive hears stories of ancient explorers to Antarctica but never the actual stories so cheers for uploading e hoa
Really cool, you can be proud of your ancestors and your ethnic background,. I'm Portuguese and I see parallels with our navigation adventures and maritime wanderlust, but this is another level.
@@sirmiles1820 moriori were peaceful people until the maori tuned up and slaughtered most of them. The y had to flee to the Chatham island's.
Maori don't like the word moriori being mentioned. It null voids just on its own the hell out of there agenda.
Maori have either stolen,raped or eaten every thing they claim is there's. It's not.
There's also a document called the treaty of Waitangi they have been buisy changing.
New Zealand does not belong to the maori. We all came by sea. My white ancestors arrived here at latest 1830's.The other white side 1840's..
Great great grandfather volunteered twice for 6years in armed constabulary. Him and his captain were only ones left after 1st term. Including almost getting te kuti at ruatahuna.
Looks like world leaders are pushing for civil war
There are just as many good maori vs bad like everywhere else however.
A select few elite maori are trying to take the country using the government sensor system that hopefully the world is waking up to
@@generalmelchett2881 I'm sure you can find a link if you look hard enough, I think the NZ govt have documented it as they set up their own settlements there pretty much as soon as they'd relocated the natives. As far as I know the islands have been occupied on and off for the last so many centuries or melenia. And the tribe living there at the time of 'discovery' is Ngati Mutunga, who had settled it when taking offshore NZ islands during their time of conquest after having to leave their own lands, they had slaves from some of the conquered islands. The chiefs of the islands were named Manature and Matioro.
@@generalmelchett2881 wait all you like, I am not obligated to provide anything for you. I am not your mother. What a pathetic mentality you hold of trying to assert some sort of superior intellect over strangers on the internet. I never said any unkind or disrespectful words unto you nor claimed to hold any authority. I passed on the information passed on to me. I hold more information on the subject, but your frustrated hand has kept you from this. Much of the knowledge of my culture is passed only face to face. But by your logic it can't exist because some foreigner to my culture hasn't written it down. The stagnant nature of your energy was evident in your first words to me yet I stupidly tried to politely guide you to the answers yourself. What a disappointing interaction this has been. Kaaore te Kumara e koorero ana mo toona ake reka
Yeah man that makes sense, head down there and live in peace when Ngāi Tahu took over the south island, or earlier after the Moa hunting ended and a lot of Iwi shifted north and the Mori Ori went east to the Chathams. Peacefull and the food was plentiful, just bloody cold.
" It is a common myth that walruses are found in Antarctica.
Antarctica is in the southern hemisphere, and walrus are only found in the northern hemisphere "
He did say or Elephant seals, which we have a small number that visit New Zealand.
Elephant seals dont have tusks tho?
@@kiwihib
@@dsanson101 that's right, no tusks, unless you consider their massive teeth as tusks.
@ generalmelchett2881 😂 that sounds like what a Pakeha / Immigrant would reply , welldone 😅 bwahahahha
Im of kanaka maoli decent and since I was a child I’ve had the same reoccurring dream of returning to a land of ice mountains that fills me with reverence.
Likewise
Are you in java indonesia . We have knowledge that another one our tribes settled in java known as maoli . We are the people of hawaiki all polynesians including rapa nui and maoli . Im maori from the tribe nga puhi . Aroha nui whanau 🩵
@@lincolnmatthews8010 ehoa I think maoli are from Hawaii. I think traditionally we all called ourselves Maori or some variation of. It must be an old word as our whanaunga in the islands around Madagascar also still use the word to describe themselves! Maore, mahore, shimaore etc, but didn't know of the Maoli of Java. Nga mihi appreciate the matauranga
@@goukhanakul he matakite koe
@@damink_8508 aww who's ur tohunga in your whanau brother 💯
There are no walruses in Antartica but there are elephant seals. Unless the Polynesians adventured further north from Hawaii to the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. They are hundreds of barren, treeless rocky islands that look born from the sea. Often covered in mist and fog and in darkness half the year. Giant kelp is found there and the sea around the islands can become frozen and thus more viscus. There are icebergs as well coming from the glaciers that surround the Gulf of Alaska. I have no doubt that the Polynesians routinely sailed to Antartica from New Zealand. A more remarkable feat would be to make it to the Arctic and Alaska which is a plausable possiblity from the historic discriptions.
Yes,I agree. The furthest south Walruses occur is the North Pacific and maybe a few found themselves further south than usual so it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that early Polynesian seafarers sailed north from Hawai’i?
It's possible that they made the trip to Antarctica, but why would they "routinely" sail there? There's nothing there to make the trip worthwhile.
Do you think such expert oceanic navigators don't know the difference from north and south?
@Sindraug25 have you been lately? Or in the last 3000 yrs? Lol Minus what you've been taught.. how do you KNOW there's nothing there?
All they had to do is follow the hawaiian chain to the aleutians. I think its possible
It sounds crazy! But…
No one would have believed that they actually settled Rapa Nui or Hawaii if they weren’t still living there or hadn’t carved giant faces all over the island.
Bro Hawaiians are newer Polynesians settled by ppl nearby islands.
@@slickrick7455 oh for sure. I don’t think there’s any doubt about it. They settled the Hawaiian Islands from Tahiti and The Marquesas Islands in the last wave of “Remote Oceania” settlement.
It’s beyond incredible. To navigate 2000 miles of open ocean in basically outrigger canoes, with livestock and families. Lol. It’s almost unbelievable.
@@free2trudge u kno ur shit
@@slickrick7455 I just did the tour at the Polynesian museum on Oahu this past February. And a luau at the cultural center. It was awesome
@@generalmelchett2881 that’s all true. And it’s all speculation without some sort of concrete evidence. But what’s so bad with fleshing out a wild speculation? I’d argue that it’s a natural and even useful product of curiosity and admiration for a thing. As long as it’s not confused with empirically established science/history, imaginative speculation can inspire the inquiry that leads to discovery.
It’s often difficult for professionals that are bound strictly by the standards of scientific proof to explore wild and “crazy” ideas. They are so immersed in teasing apart the minutia that they can’t let their imagination just run with a thing. But it’s a mistake to discourage it in anyone who can. We’re all intelligent enough to know what’s fact and what’s conjecture.
Knew a man from Tonga many years ago. He told me how his fathers read the waves: They first where taught how to distinguish between "wind-born" waves and the "coast-made" ones. Next was education about how the changing weather modifies both kinds. Last what kind of coast had created the "coast-made" ones. And psychological: All teaching ONLY was given at sea being surrounded by and experiencing it with ones whole body and mind.
Yup from the navigator islands (samoa, tonga, fiji) was the first to branch out into the now polynesia. The lapita passed the flame and im sure knowledge to us as well
The skill was called 'Fafa Konga Tahi'. The practitioner as called 'Kaivai' roughly translates to devourer of water. Kings would have them as part of the royal fleet crew. They have the ability to dip their hand into the sea water and tell which part of the ocean they were in.
@@leefua9967 Oh I've heard of _fafa konga tahi_ from a faikava I was a part of. It was one of the elder tangata'eiki there that told us of the story. Great stuff, Toko!
Also, the guy in the video mentioned _tahi fakafatu_ or the ocean/sea that is congealed. I remember hearing of that word before too. Man I wish our people kept like written records back then.
@@jaqenhghar2970 I think Tahi Fatú refers to the sea in Alaska. But I don't doubt that our ancestors also made it to Antarctica. Especially the Māori and Rarotongans. But I believe the ancestors also made the voyage to the far north. Look up the Haida tribe of Haida Gwaii who have similar cultural traditions with Hawaiʻi. The Inuits have similar tattoos to the Māori tā moko kauae. And there's a rainforest in Alaska called Tongass. Also some tribes in British Columbia and Alaska share similar motif design of the Marquesans.
@@joshmariota1046 Malo toko for the info. Yeah I heard about the _Tongass_ National Forest when I used to live in Juneau back in 1999. I also met a man from the Tlingit tribe there that said his people are related to Polynesians which I thought was bizarre, but in retrospect, makes sense.
I believe the Walrus was seen by Roratonga in what is present day Alaska. Currently a seafaring outrigger from Hawaii is voyaging around the pacific, beginning with Alaska to renew indigenous bonds! The polynesians travelled the entire Pacific
How about the entire world!
That he says it dwells in the mysterious part of the world from which their ancestors came. Their ancestors came from Taiwan and there are strong suggestions that they also came from Japan ithe Languages having a lot of similarity's, it could have been possible for their Ainu ancestors to have been in contact with Walruses in the far north of Japan or even Sibera/Kamchatka.
@@generalmelchett2881it is possible to point out valid inconsistencies without being a dick. Try it.
@@generalmelchett2881douche bag
@generalmelchett2881 Are u pressed cuz they were better seafarers than the Vikings? 🤣 There's evidence in North and South America of Polynesians reaching BOTH. Don't be stupid...
There are no walruses in the southern hemisphere. They all live in the Arctic and the high Arctic at that.
was just going to say that.
They ate em all, like the Moa bird
What, you dont believe that tiny men in underwear, floating on canoes never made it to Antarctica? I dont either😂
Pacific islanders are not tiny and didn't have underwear until white man with lightning sticks came
My great grandfather was 7.5 foot tall relation to Stephen adams he was 7 fingered man . But his father were large different muscle structure to now Stephen show the last of our great DNA
The Polynesians were crisscrossing the Pacific long ago. The proof that they visited S. America is the sweet potato found in many Polynesians cultures through trade or brought to them. Hokule'a showed that a two hulled canoe could sail up all the way to Japan and Alaska, traversing the dangerous rough open ocean waters. They proved that by knowing the stars they were able to go to and return to their points of origin.
As you stated in your video that the Maori have said that they came from a place called Hawaiki which we know as Hawai'i. I have heard of this professor at the University of Hawai'i at Hilo who brought in some Maori Elders and took them to the southernmost tip of the island, and the Maori elders chanted a chant passed down to them of how they came from a land called Hawaiki, where there were cliffs and mooring holes. Upon seeing the cliffs and mooring holes that were drilled through boulders where they could moor their canoes to, they cried as they understood that their chants were true.
Hawai'i is 2,500 miles in the middle of the ocean. A people that could navigate and traverse across the largest body of water on our planet, using only sailing canoes, thousands of miles across open ocean, without maps but using the stars, is a testament to the knowledge that many of the Polynesians had to have to do so. It is learned, it is passed down, it is through experience of doing multiple times that they were able to do so. One simply cannot just go, they must return to pass on knowledge of what was found. One cannot just simply brush it off as happenstance that the S. American theory of just floating on the currents to reach Hawaii by Kuykendall is how they populated the Pacific Ocean, one has to realize that to progress, they need to return and that they need to do it on a repeated basis.
To brush off any notion that they could not do this, is to be shortsighted in what an accomplishment they were able to do.
Wrote all that for nothing
@@footrot17 You replied for nothing.
Excellent comment 👍
@@hankakah4180 Wouldn't say nothing, your riled up lol
@@footrot17 Not me, but it obviously bothers you! What people would just ignore, you have to keep trolling! Right?
Way to go bra! These oral traditions run deeper than many can imagine. The city of Troy was found based on myths and legends, and that verification started with one small piece of pottery. Snippets of verifiable information. That's prehistory. Keep it up! Our ancestors deserve it, as do we.
Isn't a bra something that women use to hold in place their mammalian protuberances?
The wreck of ‘a ship of ancient design’ was observed on Macquarie Island when Europeans first arrived there. Such a pity that no details of that design were recorded.
I think it’s very likely that they traveled the entire pacific but I don’t think for a moment they had any reason to settle the arctic or Antarctic.
But they did so who cares what you think😂😂
@@plopdoo339 haha what ever
@@plopdoo339no physical proof of permanent settlement also nobody asked
Correct. Most maori live in warmer north island. They don't cherish the cold. Edit: they probably would have ended up in Chile trying to get home.
@@timway6839we already been to Chile….Peru and many other places too….but that’s a whole other story👌
I am surprised that you mentioned that Maori pottery had been found on Sub-Antartic Islands as NZ Maori did have pottery.
Didn't have pottery? Indeed not clay, but we made jars and vases out of our gourd the Hue. I assume they mean fragments of these Hue gourd
@@damink_8508 Thanks for your clarification. And, yes, I meant 'didn't '.
according to wikipedia, the pottery shard claim on antipodes island is unsubstantiated. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipodes_Islands
but there was a settlement on enderby island. Which is bloody amazing. Imaging coming from the tropics then going to invercargil, then asking "shall we go even further south? just to see if anything is there?" www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/places-to-go/southland/places/subantarctic-islands/auckland-islands/heritage-sites/enderby-island-maori-occupation/
@@hankovereem4078 Lapita people had pottery
How could they make pottery they hadn't invented the wheel yet
The ocean waters circle Antarctica constantly, and are uninterrupted by other land masses, so the waves are massive and currents strong. It’s a very treacherous. Still, I do love these discussions and learning the history.
There's seasons where that happens.
Have you ever looked at old maps? Some of the older maps have Antarctica on them. Way Before it was discovered. Ancient map makers would used source maps to make new maps. So people knew about a land mass there. So it’s possible people actually went there
@@Harlem1mentality The land mass was purely hypothetical owing to the postulation of the need for Earth's land mass to need to be "evenly split" between both the northern and southern hemisphere (505 of land in the north and 50% in the south) which is complete nonsense. It is due to that theory many different people to inspiration to drawing huge southern land masses on maps, they never actually knew anything was there. When Australia was discovered, it was believed that that was part of that massive landmass which is where the name Australia comes from, Terra Australis which means 'southern land'.
@@Harlem1mentality no doubt you're talking about the piri reis map which does not show antarctica. there's no evidence antarctica was actually sighted until the 1820s
@@Harlem1mentality it's highly unlikely canoes carrying men in their underwear were anywhere near Antarctica
In a world where clarity is often muddled, one might say, "In the midst of understanding, we find ourselves adrift in a sea of both profound insight and curiously empty echoes.”
The Moriori of the Chattam islands lived in these frozen places and wore seal skins , that was before European sealers killed all the seals and Māori from NZ genocided them
Are ancestors were great navigators 🙌
I could see that French Polynesia is about as close to Antarctica as anywhere else but it would go from nice and warm to really really cold. I would turn my ship back around and go back to Tahiti! Although I guess the wildlife might be more abundant around antarctic waters, but still I would think that another Polynesian island would be a better place to move to for better fishing rather than Antarctica!
Earth may have had a warmer climate at one time, so perhaps Antarctica wasn't so cold?
New Zealand Māori, my hāpu shares tales of Tūmatauenga retired to the centre of the world (Antarctica) to slay giants.
Wellfordz
We're going to tahiti, dutch????
@@brandoninhofer6592 temperatures were almost exactly the same at that time as they are now
Captain Cook visited Tahiti and got to know the people. Some time after he left Captain Wallis also visited. Having read all of Wallis's notes Cook revisited Tahiti and looked for some of the islands Wallis had described. One of them he failed to find. Then while there he asked the Head Priest/Scientist, Tupaia, if he knew of this island. Tupaia said he did and under his direction Tupaia took Cook directly to the island.
Is that the same guy who took Cook around NZ and drew a map of land for him.?
Yeah. With crosses on the map where he wanted all the KFC restaurants to be. @@artetaDagoat
Cook was a cockroach who infested the islands with disease
Why do people keep suggesting that metallurgy is a sign of higher intelligence? It's not.
Austronesians crossed the Indian Ocean from Borneo to Madagascar and Luzon to the Marianas so it's not really impossible for them to also reach Antarctica.
yes, we should love our own history and achievement, modernize it if you will be happy about it, and so on.
It is actually. There were NOT equipped to handle that kind of journey. Even if they managed to survive the cold, the storms and enormous waves in the Southern Ocean would have capsized their tiny boats. If they were heading in that direction, upon realizing th drop in temperature and the increased danger of the waters, they would have immediately retreated unless they had a death wish. No one before the Europeans ever reached the continent.
@@maozedong8370 that's true about the temperatures but not about the tiny boats. their ocean going waka hourua were as big and seaworthy as any european ship of the time.
@@eeeaten No. The Europeans had enormous ships and even though the waka were long, they still required people to row them and they were nowhere near as tall and were close to the surface of the water. That makes them an easy target for being flipped over by giant waves in the Southern Ocean.
@@maozedong8370not long waka... large double hulled waka
I don’t doubt the Polynesians explored both ends of the Pacific. Not at all.
I am not sure of Hawaiki from NZ but Havaiki from Hawaii and Savaii (if shorten of "Savaiisi'uleo") from Samoa are closely weaven together with much similarities. Sea Navigators share similar ideas about the ocean and its provision. Very fascinating!
Loving this one thanks for sharing very information blessed love to all knowledge is power hopefully everyone pays attention keep up the good work 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Why leave paradise only to freeze your arse off
Why does mankind do most things...Curiosity and cos they can ♥
Although I’m an Aussie I’ve spent nearly 40 years working in construction with the wonderful folks of the pacific nations. I’ve heard about this before. I’ll ask my Tongan e hoa tonight when we start our shift. No walrus in the southern hemisphere btw. Probably talking about elephant seals…
an elephant seal with false teeth 😆
It could be possible that the places referred to in this video wasn’t Antarctica or the surrounding islands at all but rather Alaska or the eastern edge of Siberia. Think about it a journey from Hawaii up there isn’t out of the realm of possibility considering the distances and dangerous waters the Polynesians have traveled in and the fact the story mention’s walruses which aren’t found in the southern hemisphere. Just something to think about.
G'day mate, Pacific Islander here... Often thought about Islanders ability to store adipose fat... Got me thinking about the adaptation to survive harsh cold conditions. Food for thought
@@harrisonngchok3503 a good point mate! I’m a tall skinny white dude and my Tongan bro keeps feeding me boil ups sweet potato and kumara (hope I spelt it right?) and despite the fact that it was freezing at work today and I grew up in the Victorian alps I’m the one wearing about 20 layers of clothes and he’s wearing a shirt with a singlet under it and nothing else even though he grew up in the tropics…
I am Tahiti, Māori mix, Born in Honolulu Hawaii. I like the video. Thank you.
unless you speak your mother tongue you're just American
ouch @@AlhamdulilJesus
@@AlhamdulilJesus Who said? Show where did you get that nonsense. from...
Bro this was an VERY thought provoking vid. Well done sir
GREAT VIDEO! My dad is Hawaiian royalty and my mom comes from Sinclairs and Vikings, world sailors that already discovered the world before Columbus. Everybody was traveling all over for tens of thousands of years, but the narrative they give us in America is this one directional migration out of africa.
Nobody was travelling all over the world for tens of thousands of years
Sure he is 😂 what’s his name? I know most Ali’i royalty ohanas
There are no Walruses in the southern hemisphere. They must have made it north of Hawaii to the Aleutian islands.
I don’t think so there is some many land mass and larger tides
maybe different walrus? extinct? we don't know.
@@werren894Nope. They are all in the high arctic.
Likely elephant seal
America
Walruses dont live in Antartica (only the Artic) so what animal are they looking at. The seals there don't have any tusks.
Good point
How do you know were you there in the 1700 😂😂
They lie, end of story
They wuz mariners and sheeeeeeit
While you here stories of the last Migration to Aotearoa and. believe the stories of the Maori never arrived till the 1300 well that's wrong it says the last Migration because the Maori have been back and forwards to Aotearoa for thousands of years, meaning these islands were lived on by generation upon generations of Maori cause of our relationship with all islands and these were far off families going for visits like going on a holiday and coming back home Aotearoa,One such story that Aotearoa was empty and the locals had abandoned here and this is going back few thousand years because of the Mega tsunami that hit the Whole West Coast of Aotearoa, the Burkle comet impact and the Maori had to repopulate these islands over 5000 yrs ago
the native people of the tip of South America could also have accidentally discovered Antarctica when fishing in the open seas
Possibly, but that stretch of sea is insanely dangerous.
I’m half Maori from New Zealand, I have trace Native American DNA from some time over 1000 years ago.
@@reimer0015the Incan king Tupac set out on a great expedition to explore the seas to the west of his empire and supposedly got half way to Australia before turning back. The people of Rapa Nui also travelled to mainland South America.
You don't actually sail 1000km while going to catch a fish
@@generalmelchett2881 generalbullshit shuuuuuush 🤣🤣😂😂
I just found this video and it's great. It is great example of why the Polynesian Voyaging Society is doing with the sailing of Hawaiian canoes to see the range of travel that Polynesians can do. It's great for all those of Pacific Island descent that it is possible. I believe the current trek of the society was in Alaska recently.
I love how yall just put a picture of steven adams with a white beard on the thumbnail.🤣😂
You’re amazing man thank u💪🏼🙏🏼
given south America, Patagonia and Tierra del feugo to be precise have high snow covered mountains icy conditions and possible icebergs to, considering there are large glaciers coming down to the sea in places, it may be that what the Maori are describing is the South West Coast of South America, given that there is an archipelago of Islands arching upward from Antarctica top the southern tip of cape of Good Hope.
We went to all those places too mate👍
@@razbishara6491I know that Polynesians had visited the Inca empire further to the northwest on the South American continent but I had no idea they reached the lands of Tierra del Fuego
I think that it’s far more likely a voyage from Hawaii to either Alaska or the eastern edge of Siberia is what’s being referred to in this story since the story mentioned walruses and none live in the southern hemisphere
@@rubinortiz2311 ahhhh you could be right there too!
@@rubinortiz2311 The walruses came from North Of Japan when our ancestors lived there.
Thanks for putting out content you are very professional and well spoken it is very much appreciated in this realm of the same shit regurgitated over and over
I'm pretty sure the Polynesians didn't have plastic sheets laying around
Im a maori . In my life i have heard my people talk some crap . But this one takes the cake 😮
Excellent Video. Thank you.
If Polynesians landed inAntarctica, they turned their ships northward and searched for green coasts.
Yeah no. While it probably could have been a cool thing to see, Antarctica was NEVER settled by ANY human. No evidence exists for any kind of settlement and if the region was too cold for even the Europeans to set up colonies with their thick winter clothes and more cold adapted traits, Maori whom are used to warm climate conditions definitely would have not survived. They may have realized Antarctica was there even if it is unlikely, but they NEVER explored or settled there.
Recent studies show they did actually travel there physically.
@@jonjon1842 No studies have shown that. What exactly do you gain from lying?
warm climate? lol have you even been to Aotearoa? Compared to the other island groups, it's a freezer! Some plants like the breadfruit which are abundant in other island nations don't grow there because it's too cold of a climate.
@@jaqenhghar2970 Are you seriously trying to compare New Zealand with Antarctica in terms of climate? Get a f*cking grip man.
I just discoveredd your channel very interesting. I subscribed.
“ Tahi Fatu “ means, Thick Ocean ! This is Ordinary Every Day Polynesia Language !
No Mystery Here !!!
I'm starting to think Polynesians and Native Americans are connected somewhere bc they were both all over the place but never got in contact until Peru I'm SA native btw
Hey bro the evolution of the northwest pasific coast 10,000 years is a good video Ancient America's 👍
Polynesians and Native Americans are connected.
Nice Fantasy Story, Though !!!
I am maori i did my ancestral research that lead me to search for hawaiki and i believe we come from voyagers who left antartica once a tropical place which changed due to the shift of continents they needed to voyage due to ice and freezing over of lands moving up from the further eastern part of antarica moving up through and around polynesian triangle i believe if we could scientifically study antartica we would find where polynesians started their migration from however due to western and eastern views they refuse to help study antartica because it will unravel the fact polynesian people are antartic people
antarctica has been frozen solid for millions of years. so no. polynesian people are from polynesia - the tropical islands of the pacific. from samoa/tonga, and from the western pacific before that.
This just blew my mind and I can’t wait to get more info on research and breakthroughs on the Antarctic mainland
there are no breakthroughs here, there's no evidence to support the hypothesis that polynesians reached antarctica.
@@eeeaten Says who? Incel
If the Maori did indeed settle some Antarctic islands, how would they build boats, considering they have no threes on them? It's plausible that they may have ventured quite far South though.
You show pottery saying it’s Māori. Māori didn’t fire pottery. Your research is bad
I just finished watching another UA-camr talking about the native Americans and Polynesians and how they met early before any foreigners came to AOTEAROA and their chapter in the story. He talks about Maori, tahitians,Tongans, Hawaiians and cook Islanders(possible more) and how they have strong similarities in features, techniques, interests and traditions to each other and to foreign natives like native Americans, Egyptians, Aztec and some Asians 💯
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you!
what confuses me the most is how the maori never settled Australia..
They may have landed and traded in Australia multiple times. But the Aboriginal/Torres Straight Islanders were already there. The Polynesian islands were first inhabited a long time after Australia.
There may have been settlements, however the east coast where they would likely have been has suffered great genocide. They'd have just been considered 'Abo'
there is some evidence maori reached australia, eg the dark point adze found in nsw but made from norfolk island basalt. no secure date or stratigraphic position but evidence nonetheless.
Some Sulawesi people traded with abos way before Europeans
they are now
Unlikely of any concerted canoe trips to Antarctica, they would have frozen to death, especially coming from the warmer tropical climates. More critical; is why they never made it Australia?, it is after all the big southern continent close to NZ. But no, no recorded evidence of anything.
They must have ages ago then when the southern continent had greenery this would have been 15 000 yrs ago when the Northern hemisphere had frozen over Canada and New York was frozen too and Antarctica had vegetation the super continent Zeallandia was a natural land bridge which connected Oz NZ Antarctica and South America aswel as Tongan 😀 trench , and the the rest of Polynesian islands, and through our geneology charts there HAVE been migrations to Antarctica, this would have to have been done during the Summer Months
Well whanau never lived in Oz, Aborigines were already there, just shows you the skill involved by the Captain of the Waka and well NZ has always been the Home of the Maori 👍
Polynesians were frequent travelers to Australia and the americas😂 keep your white theories to yourself.
@@shaneheu-5782 Are you an idi0t or just completely devoid of any scientific knowledge? It is well known that Antarctica has been frozen for over 40 million years. Antarctica has been a frozen wasteland 38 million years before the human species even existed. To say it was green 15,000 years ago is beyond ludicrous.
there is some evidence polynesians reached australia, eg the dark point adze found in nsw but made from norfolk island basalt.
Very interesting story, totally possible that happen, glad i disovered your channel.
I'm from the ngarouru west coast tribe on my mother's side, and from the east coast on my father's side of the family I just find it ironic and a heavy coincidence that you specifically talked brought that up 💙🖖
Six seals (Pinnipeds) species live in the Antarctic ~ Ross ,Weddel,Crabeater,Leopard, Fur, Elephant ~
Good comment 👍 none of them have tusks either !
Polynesians have ancestry to the Phoenicians (1500 - 300 BC) i think this is why we were seafarers, we used the sea to trade with other people around a lot of areas typically around the mediterranean area.
no they don't, that is made up fantasy nonsense. the ancestors of polynesians are from the western pacific. about 80% austronesian and 20% papuan/melanesian.
Don't relate us to those dirty wogs lol.
Troll
you don't know the meaning of troll, troll Is someone behind their devices commenting on peoples posts saying nasty things, these people are usually narcissist. I know one when I see one.
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@@rog3785 research: Monica Matamua DNA results
Very interesting, alot to think about
Amazing 👏
You are a good storyteller.
Right 😂 now Polynesian are from Antarctica 😅
I've seen old maps from 13 14 and 1500s. Some of which depicted Antarctica as "magellanica" and showed people there with red hair and riding on animals. Same maps depict africans in correctly also crocodiles. Depicted native Americans and other peoples in the correct areas. So the fact Antarctica was shown with people, as well as no ice. Is telling
Antarctica hasn't been ice free for millions of years. Greenland however was mainly ice free 415,000 yrs ago.
Are you confused ?
@@edwardfletcher7790there are findings that there is a huge green forest and lake beneath the Antarctic ice. There are even legends of a giant hole that goes into the center of the earth.. look up General Bird from the U.S. NAVY. He’s stated several times even mentions it in his diary.
you're probably talking about the piri reis map, which does not show antarctica. there's no evidence antarctica was sighted until the 1820s.
@@eeeaten All those old maps show gigantic sea monsters too 😂 lol
@@eeeatenactually, there are maps from the 1500s that show Antarctica. Some Turkish explorer drew a map and even states in it that he copied the land mass from a even older map. But hey, modern science says so many things aren't possible buuuut, the as a Maori, I don't think it was Antarctica they went to. The logistics and keeping warm alone would make it treacherous at best.
This is a great video, good job. Just really want to point this out since this is a very maori centered subject and maybe there isnt much illustration depicting ancient seafaring maori ppl but at the 8 min mark that illustration is actually uniquely to hawaiian.
well maybe we as a people need inspire our kids into becoming artists and scientists rather than football and rugby players to entertain the masses? Maybe then, we'd have a plethora of arts covering Maori, Samoan, Tongan, Hawaiian, Rarotongan, Rapa Nui, Tahitian, Tokelauan, Tuvaluan, Hivan, Pa'umotuan, Rurutuan, Mangarevan, and other island groups I can't think of now.
Awesome thanks for the intresting information 👍Northwest pasific coast history10,000 years of evolution is a pretty interesting video as well
There was an article that I read a couple years back, that mentioned a discovery of a wooden boat (looked like a canoe) that was found in the artic. Might of been antarctica I dont remember clearly.
Not the Antarctic.
Obviously Polynesians are the greatest navigators ever, they discovered every rock in the Pacific- BUT how did they know the shape of NZ is a fish and a canoe?
You can only see that from the air.
I have always wondered about that, they even knew the bottom island as the anchor of the canoe, and the North Island is a stingray and it is shaped as one, they also say lake Taupo is the heart, and where Wellington is, is the head. The South Island is actually shaped like a canoe. How did they know the whole shape without maps?
Appreciate the knowledge.. hope we can make a team to finally rest are case
how would that work
We still have those waka today one would be found in waitangi behind a hotel or down the bottm of the museum and marae but the actual marae the locals use is down past the bridge near the beach
Beyond Rapa could mean South America, where you find Patagonia, with Glaciers on the sea and mountains that Pearce the Sky's. The Animal that dives to great depths is obviously a Sperm Whale. I do wonder if infact this story came from a whaling ship by Polynesian crew that had already traveled on such ships by 1904. Otherwise there is the small genetic link between the Polynesians and South Americans. And the Kumara, and the Mythology of Maui where he visited the Mountains in the East. It seems to me much more likely than Antarctica.
@robintamihere4550Members of my whanau took part in the Geno project through National Geographic and it was discovered that we had traces of ancient Egyptian and Persian dna. This dna was specific to a period between 1000-5000 years ago. Then we discovered Monica Matamua's story and her dna results were similar. FYI..there's no direct family connection between us and Monica so that was an interesting discovery for us.
I'm currently looking into this.
@robintamihere4550 Very interesting! Food for thought
Yeah thats plausable for sure. The ancient tales spoke of the 'White Whale' used for navigation in harsh ocean currents where they hunted, and the 'White Dolphin' for calm currents. They would summon them by imitating the call of their young in distress and then follow them along the safer path. Maybe a whte humpback whale? The kumara is an interesting one, it arrived in polynesia by atleast 1000ad. Maori had winter clothing from dog and seal fur too so I doubt polynesians would avoid a cold expedition if they had a good reason to risk it, but who knows haha
Patagonian Indians may have accidently washed up in Antarctica, and then...never made it back...because they werent skilled navigators. You can imagine Maori sailors accidently finding Antarctica, making it back to NZ using their navigation skills, and then others hearing the word that there is a landmass far to south making subsequent trips. But then these later Moari adventureres to Antarctica would figure out that the new landmass was (a)useless for agriculture...but great as a temporary base for whaling, and for hunting those funny big fat dog like mammals that live in the water (ie seals). But the Moari would have lacked the infrastructure to support temporary bases like that. Nor would they have the time to evolve an eskimo type lifestyle to permanently live off sea mammals, and nothing but sea mammals, on a coastal polar tundra the way the Inuit do on the opposite side of the world. So its hard to imagine a Moari colonization of Antarctica amounting to much of historic significance.
Not to mention houses/shelters - what would they use?
I suppose they could make something out of seal skins and bones, but no wood for fire to cook anything...
I have similar thoughts.
I don't deny they could have made expeditions. Would have been good whaling and sealing. Especially over summer when the 24/7 hours of sunlight.
But settling there would have been a lot harder. No trees for shelter fire wood or repairs on boats. No flax for rope or sails. You couldn't maintain a settlement.
More like a trip down to the supermarket.
@@matthoward9860 true, I suppose they could bring extra supplies and take shelter in their boat.
I saw the lack of shelter as being a really difficult obstacle to overcome. How do set up a camp with just snow and ice?
Unless you make an igloo, or perhaps use stones to make buildings, could roof them with animal skins (I don't think there has ever been any evidence of stone buildings).
Just seems extremely unlikely given the evidence and knowing what Antarctica is like. And why ho all that way, with all those risks, for some whales and seals when there are plenty around anyway. There were still tons and tons of seals and whales in New Zealand when the Europeans arrived, why would Maori or Polynesians need to go all the way to Antarctica?
On top of that, there are also the subantarctic islands south of New Zealand with oodles of seals.
We are missing a motive in this mystery
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Places like Auckland island and others are believable. However settlements in Antarctica...
The first nation people of Alaska and Canada had hundreds of generations to learn how to survive in the Arctic climate. All the way back from their ancestors that crossed the ice bridge from current day Russia to North America in the ice age. They would also have access to drift wood and large mammals because they are part of the north American continent.
People from the tropics of the pacific are not from that background. They wouldn't have that experience/knowledge to survive in an arctic climate from just arriving there eg. Build igloos and burn seal fat etc.
I don't doubt their sailing and navigation ablities. But settling Antarctic is hardcore man.
@@matthoward9860 that's what I was thinking. It is really implausible
However, I was thinking of how it could be possible, and what they would have to do to accomplish that.
It is theoretically possible, somehow, maybe, but there is no evidence for it and it is extremely unlikely that they would be able to even have a camp there, and there is also no need or motivation for them to do so, as far as I can see.
Maori did have dogskin cloaks and made insulated capes for cold weather, and rain capes, so they definitely adapted to cold weather, although Antarctica is something else, even in summer.
How, or why, they would get to Antarctica to do anything is beyond me. Interesting to think about though
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I think it is possible Polynesians arrived in Antarctica, they were pretty complex people. Seems unlikely they settled there I'd say. Some rationale:
Polynesians were masters of the sea. Sir Peter Buck described them as the 'Vikings of the Sunrise'. They used an early navigational sextant [a 'Tanawa'], had huge double-hulled craft, were crewed by men and women [for seeding new lands], and made clothing from fibres, feathers and furs, and also made footwear. For example, winter footwear was made from scraped flax, padded or double-padded with raupo [similar to cat-tails], and then giant sandals over the top. They made leggings of harakeke, with padding of dried grasses and raupo wrapped beneath. They made winter cloaks out of dog and seal skin lined with feathers with ties to cinch it tighter, and used woven thatch-like capes to keep out heavy rain. They even fashioned hats called 'potae' which was a helmet-shaped flax hat with ear flaps and a peaked ridge along the top.
It is said that some Ancient Maori called the currents of the Pacific Ocean 'The Long Tides'. For example, the Southern Equatorial Current was referred to as 'Te Tai Mahunui', and the West Wind Drift 'Te Tai Ara Roa'. To sail The Long Tides was reffered to as 'Riding The Whale', because ancient Maori used the feeding and breeding patterns of the 'White Whale' and 'White Dolphin' to show them how to safely navigate across the Pacific, and avoid the dreaded 'Octopus'[giant deadly Pacific whirlpools]. Each waka [twin-hulled timber sea-craft] had 88 men and women in each hull, sat in pairs, with 40 on each side, plus 4 general helpers. One crew of 88 paddled or took up the sail with the whale, and the other crew of 88 followed the dolphin; the crew changing when their designated guide appeared. One crew worked the day, the other working through the night. The dolphin ran in calm waters with undisturbed currents, and the whale hunted turbulent waters where tides would meet and be chaotic. The captain followed the whales through disturbed currents to keep the waka from being destroyed in the whirlpools. To summon the whale for navigation, the captain would craft a simple trumpet from harakeke called an 'oaro' to mimic the call of a baby whale in distress. The dolphin was called by the capatin by pressing their mouth against the submerged oar and making a distress call of their young, sending the vibrations into the sea and sometime throwing crushed mussels into the water. These tides took them between New Zealand, Easter Island, South America and who knows where else.
Polynesians were excellent sailors and navigators. There’s no good evidence they reached or even saw Antarctica.
@@eeeaten Yeah they were. Not all of Antarctica is covered in ice, even Byrds Operation Highjump footage clearly showed that, however I'm dubious about how they'd get through the surface ice, but perhaps it has passage from time to time. Unsure.
'Good evidence' is subjective. Not everybody sees oration as valid. This isn't an academic resource, nor is it scholarly reference material. So why bother? Well, the utility in these discussions etc for me is to entertain ideas without accepting them, in order to see if patterns emerge across a much broader base of investigation. My main interests are really global cataclysm, ancient megaliths, human origins, depth psychology and the occult. The mysteries of the pacific and the mysteries of Antarctica come up non-stop. If you are a proponent of the Electric Universe model, and of crustal displacement theory (which I am), some of the legends handed down over the ages in Polynesia line up remarkably with modern dating of timelines of ancient global events. Quotes like "angry stars gathered close to the moon to give birth to the Tides of Choas, the dreaded Deluge". The stars moving in the sky before the deluge is a bad, bad sign. I wanna drink it all in. Im not a Sagan guy but 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' is a wise viewpoint for Antarctica, the place is enigmatic. Thank you for reading my essay haha.
@@animusrex883 you obviously believe all manner of irrational nonsense. The interpretation about Polynesians seeing Antarctica is from Percy smith, pakeha ethnographer and well known embellisher. No Polynesians in Antarctica.
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@KimberlyQue-fv7geMan Fr this account is on every video about Polynesians arguing in the comments
I thought this was an actual history channel until I heard "Ruins in Antarctica", then I saw your other content.
Antarctica has been frozen solid since the Miocene Epoch. What would your hypothetical civilization live on? Building materials? Fuel?
Channels like this just feed into fantasy and mislead folks from actual historical discoveries...
Whale, seal and penguin?
European maps from the 1500s shows the area where Antarctica is as a green land..yet it says Antarctica was founded in the 1800s.
@@originalclaymoreboy728 no they don't.
food: seals, fish, penguins etc, fuel: blubber, driftwood, Materials: packed ice.
Hypothetically they could survive the same way as the Inuit as far as I can tell.
but yeah, idk why they would want to.
@@cabudagavin3896 The inuit survived on large quantities of driftwood too. None of that in Antarctica.
Im a Maori from Taranaki but live in Tauranga now, anyway i liked the video bro, have a look for a doco made in nz about the red hared giants skeletons and 2000 year old stone walls scattered around the Waipua forest up north and the Taupo wall, Its called skeletons in the cubboard or closet, its a 2 part doco but you could revisit this for another video perhaps? would love to see it if so haha
So there were other races living here,..Urukehu which were of the Patupaiarehe both had white hair and paleskin, and short...and the Tuurehu who were the Red haired paleskin and tall and fiery, the Hakuturi,Ponaturi and a few others but this is where the pakeha put there claimss in 😂 because they have white skin so that be there point across that Europeans were here earlier, GOOD TRY BUT NO , they are FULL blooded Maori and whakapapa to Maui,Tunui te ika and Hine kohunui, mythical legends of Te whanau o Ranginui the Sky children and that's how there eyes are blue, like the sky and hair white like the clouds.. ... ANOTHER thing is our geneology whakapapa is very complex and this was spoken of by historians well known...... SO all Pacific families with hierarchy ALL have there whakapapa and when it is related to Maori they tell well we all seem to know of and how we relate,so the American Native Indian would relate a story of people living in the mountains Giants with red hair the same race who live here and this is The Ring of Fire and we ARE all linked JUST LIKE THE PAKEHA.But Aotearoa was and is OUR land which God brought us here
@shaneheu-5782 it's good to hear this bro thanks for the insight I'm always curiously learning more as I age about our mean aotearoa
@@Vinkabbeats whereabouts in Taranaki is home brother I'm from Waitara 😎🫶
That vid has been proven to be incorrect many times by maori and white people. Its a propaganda video trying to justify that maori weren't there first
@shaneheu-5782 are you shane who works on an oil rig and holidays in bali?
The description could have been Fiordland... or, as an outside chance, the Auckland Islands... a very impressive feat!
I do think theres a ancient connection witth the Inuit and the Polynesian people of the pacific..The Kaitaia carving unearthed in new Zealand looks similar to the carvings from the natives that live through out Alaska and down through Canada..
there's no secure evidence of polynesians in the americas before columbus
This makes sense. The walruses that were recorded were probavly from the aleutian ilands up now rth in alaska
The Southern Ocean - possible. Antarctica itself - unlikely. Those waters are terribly dangerous, freezing, stormy, unpredictable. What landmasses there are are barren like Macquerie. Why exactly would the Maori sailors risk going though that? Likely head back to their homeland.
Why are these pseudohistory channel so calming even if they're peppered with bs? I can see why people can be fooled to believe these channels count as factual.
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Tonga 🇹🇴 is a neighbouring island in the pacific. Idk if you mixed the two but in cook islands , our trip to NZ ,the end of polynesia we lost a canoe to nz, 6 made it , 1 went missing. But we believe we were experts that we missed nz and found another island either being your theory or Australia 🇦🇺. Cheers bro from cook island
To me it sounds like they encountered the kinda crappy sub-antarctic islands like South Georgia and the little seamounts that stick up.
The sea ice is also clearly a big part of it, and its worth noting that these are really old stories so the ice may have been forming or extending at different latitudes back then.
there's no evidence they reached those places
The Polynesians did not know how to condense water from saltwater, they didn't even have plastic so what would they have used? You just made that up
Out of all of Polynesia Tongans where the greatest warriors / sea travelers
will you stop with the whole superiority complex?
Fact is by all means not superiority
Hell the F**k they're Not.
fascinating
If they got to 500 miles of Antarctica. There is no doubt in my mind that they could have reached Antarctica or at least they got so close to it that they could observe the environment from the sea and lived to tell the tales.
Very unlikely
How did they survive the trip there?? The waters down there are deadly rough...
In our culture we karakia (incantations/prayer) before we do anything with nature and all things rather, because we connect back to the land, air and sea which would've help them abit but they could also read the elements? Western technology still can't figure it out to this day
They were very clever and extremely tough people.
Changing history for gain,
Thanks, nteresting
I jst wanted to ask wea u got th foto ov tht family frm?
I've a theory, which is not getting much traction 😞In the New Zealand High Commission in London there is a huge totem pole. Of course we usually associate Totem Poles with the Pacific Northwest. They are a tradition in some areas of the PPacific
What’s your theory? You didn’t say.
@chieftama1825 kook a doodle dooo 🐓
Walrus or Sea-Elephant... you are aware that these 2 are completely different animals?
Great video we do need to keep in mind that the ocean waters were much lower then they are today.
no they weren't, they were almost exactly the same as they are today.
I heard that just after fishing up the north island they took off to 😊antarctica but found it to cold so headed back home after stopping in the chatham islands for refreshments
yeah none of that is true
Dude, the closest people to Antarctica were the Fueguinos of South America, not the Polynesians. Besides that, the southernmost islands of Oceania, such as Macquarie Island and Campbell Island were inhabited until the Europeans arrived. Your entire video is based on fallacies lol
The new theory is South American Natives are polynesian.
Chickens in South and North America are Polynesian chicken. The Polynesian Yam is a South American yam. Don’t let the colonization limit you from the truth. The world started in the PACIFIC. In times of Pangaea. Which is why you need to teach starting from the deep end to debunk any other hallucinations.
Where did you go to school bro?
You don't get Walrus in the Antarctic 😂
Te-Au-Tanga-Nuku, Tangiia Nui, Kupe, Toi, Te-Tua-Tarangi, Karika, and many more Cook Islands ancestors explored the South Pole seas. Thus we have words for snow (Kiona) and some animals which they had come across during their voyage. According to our Polynesian history, Samoa and Marquesas Islands were one of the 1st Islands colonised by our Maori Ancestors eventually spreading out towards Tahiti, Hawaii, Cook Islands and eventually the last major migration was Aotearoa (New Zealand)
there's no evidence of polynesians in antarctica, and the difficulty getting there makes it very unlikely they got there.
@eeeaten plus they didn't have clothing for the below zero Temps the never had footware they would freeze to death imagine the night's in antarctic sitting in an out rigger
It's possible. The Maori once had a settlement on Aukland Island, so they could have traveled further south.
no evidence for it, too hard to get there.
@@eeeaten No evidence yet. Before Europeans reached Antarctica, the Maori described geologic features of a land to the South. When Europeans reached Antarctica, they found those features as described. So how did the Maori know?
@@michaelvonblucherafaltona1994 none of that is true
There are many many inaccuracies and mistakes here. Besides numerous stretches in logic in what those tales mean exactly, there are also no walruses in the southern hemisphere. And the marakai-hau in Maori folklore is not anything like a walrus. It doesn't even have a pair of tusks, that is a misrepresentation. I also highly doubt the Maori would have had any reason to go to Antarctica or go southwards. The sub-Antarctic islands where the Maori could presumably have used as stopping points don't have any evidence of Polynesian settlement.
?? you're right about the walrus but maori/polynesian voyagers obviously went south or they wouldn't have discovered new zealand and the chatham islands. there is evidence in the auckland islands, nearly 500km south of the south island of nz. regardless i agree - polynesians most likely did not reach or even see antarctica.
3.30 the walrus.... doesn't it lives on the Northern Hemisphere? Just asking. By the way, I think Patagonia is also closer to the Antarctic
If true that there was no walrus in Antarctica the Polynesians nevertheless ventured as far as Alaska and may well have gotten the myth of tusked creatures from their northern compatriots: don't underestimate the prowess of the greatest mariners that ever lived!
nope. the most reasonable explanation is that they didn't mean walrus.
Lots of good stuff in your video bro. Thanks 🥝🇳🇿😎
they didn't even have a word for Ice back then. Could be legend or could be an actual voyage, however nothing signficant will come out of it either way