The Missing Crash Evidence
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2024
- Massive amount of controversy surrounding the cause of this crash is circulating the aviation community. My hope is that by releasing this paramotor footage, viewers will discover what lead to the massive collapse. In the video, you’ll see the deformity of the wing.
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As a plumber of 20 years I can safely say I have know f-ing clue what’s going on… I’m just glad your alive!
Plumbing is about the maximum risk I'd ever take with my body..I'm what is know colloquially as a big pu$$y lol. I think these guys are insane..it must be genetics that allows them not to fear heights. I would cry the minute i reached 10 feet into the air.
@@stoneneils agreed, I’d panic immediately after leaving the ground
@@stoneneils See I love flying - basically anything that flies has my interest - but I don't think I'll do paramotoring. This "hanging from bunch of strings and a piece of cloth that just wants to turn into a streamer" thing just looks too dangerous.
But the interesting thing here is his wing kinda threatened to turn into a streamer (i.e. just collapsing & getting knotted) but it looks like it had mostly straightened out just before he hit the ground. Which means if he'd been a little bit higher he probably would've been able to recover... It's that thing they say about flying, that being something like 100-500 ft above the ground (can't remember the exact number) is actually more dangerous than being higher - because it's high enough that you'll likely get badly hurt (or worse) if you hit the ground, but also not high enough to give you enough time to recover if something does go wrong...
You edited the post and yet it says: know f-ing clue.
I understand why you had to censor the f.
But the know?
@@bertjesklotepino oh my gosh, your so right! I’ll get on that right away!……
Don't apologize for not immediately releasing all the footage, its a scary thing to happen and its better to focus on healing first. I'm glad you made it through!
Hmm.focus? If he did that at the very start. There be no healing. What so ever.. the review? PILOT and wing.
Ur pathetic
@@TONYPARAMOTOR you dont even know how to talk
@@TONYPARAMOTOR Are you having a stroke?
@@TONYPARAMOTOR Focus is impossible to keep 100% of the time, especially over the course of hundred's of flights. Why are you nitpicking anyways? Mistakes happen and it'd be ignorant to pretend they don't, even to people with thousands of hours are bound to miss or forget something
I’ve been flying for the past 10years and I take every single opportunity to learn from others incidents,accidents. This one showed to me a lot.( and also the scariest that I’ve ever seen) thanks for posting and I’m sure you’ll be flying sooner than expected.
Did you see Marlons crash? ua-cam.com/video/bcoRKn7BnAo/v-deo.html - heavy to watch but also a lot to learn :/
@@RIKAAR_Ambient damn crazy dude fell 500 ft and survived
@@Osamabintardinyeah really Bad luck with that safety parachute. But He survived also ❤ and recovered. He is flying again.
@@Osamabintardinno it says fell from 530 meters which is 1,739 feet. Which is even wilder
@@RIKAAR_Ambient Marlons lesson appears to be "don't do aerobatics", however it sounds like your perspective is different where you see a lesson while in the act of doing advanced aerobatics and "don't do aerobatics" is not a consideration. That perspective is skewed towards risk and you know what they say: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
General aviation is a big risk, you're in a fast moving aircraft, can't just put it down anywhere with high probability of surviving and you don't have a reserve parachute (that one airplane doesn't diminish the not having a reserve argument). Flying PPG in light / nil winds without a cloud for hundreds of miles and no aerobatics is extremely low risk, you'd have to encounter a freak external force to get hurt; like hitting another pilot or other aircraft. Then some can argue you shouldn't be flying in the first place, this way you can never get hurt. Then it's don't drive, don't go outside, put deadbolts on your bedroom door, live in a transparent bubble suit, and on.
All pilots are playing the stupid game, it's what hardness setting you want to play that gets you in big trouble.
It takes a special type of person to use something like this as a teaching experience. It'll be great to see you back in the air, Anthony!
Why would it be great? He has a wife and kid depending on him and you say it is great for him to be back in the air risking his life? His kids need a father too, only selfish men do activities like this
@@fionasmith-bz8ox You're an asshole.
@@fionasmith-bz8ox selfish is a pretty harsh word, men need activities like this to stay sane, motorcycling being a common one that people disagree with. this bloke has obviously found his passion in para-motors. thats his thing, his interest and its selfish to take that away from him with guilt trips like you've displayed. it gets to a point where grinding that 9 to 5 JUST to survive becomes mentally taxing and that doubles when you've got a family depending on you as well, like you say. its a lot of pressure especially if your the sole bread winner.
its not enough just to survive we need to live too. women that understand this are few and far between. its healthy to worry but calling him selfish isn't fair its not like hes purposely trying to die and leave his family behind. people that have hobbies that carry danger like this try as best as they can to come home, but as the saying goes "shit happens" he missed a knot.
@@jordanbyrnes7518 Fantastic reply , I agree with you 100%.
@@fionasmith-bz8ox right? He should stay at home on the couch, pouting at his mundane life clicking through all the channels of nothing on tv wondering WHY he even owns one. He should definately stay home where he belongs, dusting the shelves. Right.
Thanks for releasing the footage - it's hard to see if there's any knot, there certainly is a minor deformation in the wing but honestly I've seen people fly wings that look 100x worse. Could it have lead to the collapse, maybe, definitely not definitively. For non-pilots, a collapse looks really horrifying but 9/10 times there is no issue, the wing reinflates, control is maintained and you fly away. In my mind the absolute number 1 contributing factor is flying full bar extremely low to the ground for no actual reason. A fully accelerated collapse is absolutely more violent and a much bigger event than a standard collapse. Look I get it, ego plays a role in decision making. I think what you're trying to do is find a single culprit for a very bad accident and that's not doable. Every accident has a series of events and decisions that lead up to it. In my mind here's the big takeaways that other pilots can learn from
- Preflight Checks should be comprehensive and exhaustive, if there was a tension knot or issue with riser configuration - this should have been caught prior to launch
- Application of speed bar increases the risk of collapse
- Accelerated Collapses are more violent/energetic
- Manuvers near the ground are inherently more risky than those done with plenty of altitude
- Failure to maintain focus (checking phones/instruments, being overstressed etc)
- Hands off the rear risers/surrendering control
Being on full bar that close to the ground with no practical reason was not a great call. Even without a pressure knot you could have hit the edge of nasty air and still taken a massive collapse. Prospective and new pilots need to hone their decision making process because a seemingly inconsequential decision can lead to a devastating cascade resulting in serious injury or worse. Be smart when you push your limits because eventually you will find that edge. I really wish you a speedy recovery and hope that you walk away from this a better and safer pilot.
Very good summary, haven't paramotor, but am a Rocket Scientist. The minor deformation of the wing, looks like it begins at the C-line attach point. The deflection is down, like pulling brake at that one point. This increase angle of attack at this part of the trailing edge of the wing. More lift on the trailing edge would tend to rotate this part up and the leading edge down in this section of the wing, reducing angle of attack in this area.
In steady state flight Paramotors are constant speed aircraft, they fly at one angle of attack and one speed. In comes the Speed Bar, which changes the angle of attack of the entire wing by stepping on the A lines and reducing their length. So now the angle of attack of the entire wing is reduced by stepping on the speed bar. Lowing the angle of attack requires more velocity to get the same amount of lift, more velocity, more drag, more power and throttle to remain in steady state flight.
So, the wing warp (minor deformation) reduces angle of attack in that area, one side of the wing. Adding maximum Speed Bar reduces angle of attack of the entire wing. Add the two together, and the stagnation point on the leading edge moved up from the inflation holes onto the leading edge fabric above the inflation hole, good by inflation, good by lift, hello ground.
Has anybody considered putting adaptive inflation holes on the leading edge so that the inflation hole can move up as angle of attack is reduced? This might stop the collapses.
I'm not a rocket scientist and I never flied a paramotor, but it really looks like you're right. The front cords or the "A" lines (I think) lost a lot of tension and then the very front of the wing collapsed downward just like if it was angled too low.
Three things that are useless to pilots: Runway behind them, altitude above them, and fuel in the fuel truck.
@@SilentGloves Well said
It looks like more of a riser twist than a knot. When the riser falls between the c and d cascades and causes a line twist that pulls the rear into undue tension. There was a cascade of events here, and each stacked up to cause the accident. God speed Anthony. Praying for your full and expeditious recovery.
Agreed. This is exactly what it looks like. Compare the risers in flight, right one has a weird twist, left is clean and straight. C lines don't line up properly in the A to D gradient as a result.
Can you explain in more detail for us beginner pilots? How would something like this happen? Could it happen without use of speed bar or fast wing?
@@Jerbrown If you store your wing with the risers loose / not attached to each other, they can end up twisting or going between lines. Can also happen between unpacking and clipping in if you are a bit careless handling the lines. I keep my risers together on a loose carabiner until it's time to clip in to the harness and clip it somewhere inside my glider bag so it can't go through lines. Can be checked by kiting the wing before flight and making sure your cascades (line groups) are all good, which is a good habit to get into. If this is indeed the cause, it could have easily been prevented by a quick kite and check as part of a preflight. This is one area that paramotoring safety can take notes from general aviation, having a solid preflight checklist that you follow every flight without fail.
It can result in a completely unflyable wing state, which is actually preferable because you know something's wrong before takeoff. Was a combination of "lucky" factors that it was flyable and didn't create noticable unusual characteristics until the collapse. Of course, being a "new" wing to him it may have been easier to notice on a wing he flies more regularly and is used to the feel of.
Some "good practice" habits that could have helped: Always kite before flight, having good altitude before doing manoeuvres on a wing you're not used to (especially ones where there is a possibiilty of collapse, like testing max speed), always fly with a reserve chute (and be ready to throw), visually check your wing soon after takeoff. These also apply to free flight, not just motor flying.
@@stephenkeen6044 Thank you. I was taught to always store the risers in a separate riser bag outside of the larger wing bag - I guess now I know why. I have the BGD Magic and it comes with a bag to store the risers separately.
Hey I always wanted to get into the sport and I was wondering whether this could have also happened with a class A or B wing and if so, whether it would have also led to a crash.
Even if a few lines snapped that would not have caused the A-line collapse you experienced. Even half a wing can be flown relatively safely. You were overspeeding with full speedbar and then experienced a frontal collapse due to too much angle of attack. You can see the a lines going slack right before the wing dips. If you´re going to test the limits of your equipment you need altitude to recover from any collapses or potentially even throw the reserve. In my opinion this was just pilot error. regardless, I hope you make a full and speedy recovery. When you do, you should maybe think about doing an SIv course to simulate and get comfortable with all the types of collapses in a supervised setting to know the limits of your equipment.
Line snapped after the collapse and reinflation. It makes sense since the tangled line was carrying disproportionately high load in that cell. Collapse itself was caused by the front left glider tucking in because the trailing edge wasn’t free and created a pitching down moment.
Too much cow bell
I agree with your assessment. It appeared to me with the slack in the lines, he may have encountered “rowdy” air immediately prior to collapse
Bro straight outta Gmod
Play stupid games…..
So impressed you didn't drop your phone. I can't even get mine out smooth conditions without fear of dropping it, and you just kept it all the way to the ground. Thanks for releasing the video! Hope your recovery goes well.
I would think it demonstrates the importance of having a lanyard so you CAN drop it and not have it interfere with control in an emergency.
first thing i did was get a case with a ring on the back. i have a loop of paracord, one end goes around my belt and the other through the phone ring. I paid too much for my phone to drop it from 3000 feet
My first solo flight I never had a lanyard for my phone. I flew a few hrs to the Humber bridge and took many videos on the way inc over the bridge. On the way back I Ran out of fuel. I panicked as it was my first real solo flight. I had no idea why the engine died. As I panicked I dropped my phone from 1000ft. It landed in a farmers field. I managed to retrieve it by getting my partner to bring my iPad and I use apple find my phone app to locate in a field. lol. Phone was undamaged and works fine. Gaggle recorded the drop.
That's a bad thing not a good thing. You should be straight on the controls and/or reserve handle.
@@mhoward181There’s a skydiving video where some dude’s phone comes out of his pocket right as he pulls his chute. They manage to find it and it had landed in thick soft grass and mud. He cleans it off and it worked fine.
Anthony, you took a risk and ate it and then doubled down by sharing this content with the world which is courageous and risky. The reward for this risk is saving the lives and well being of existing and future pilots by communicating this story as you are.
And yet he hasn't learned his lesson or adopted the responsibility of self preservation that he should naturally feel for the sake of his own children. The fool says he'll be flying again soon, which is utterly disgraceful.
You commend him for uploading this? The manchild is merely making content and has learned nothing. Again, he's a disgrace and my pity goes to the children who are unfortunate enough to reply on him.
Mistake is human and Indulgence too!
@@michaelc3977 Yup, check out Dan Gryder and the impact all the general aviation channels have had on accident rates in the past few years, it's because more and more influencers are analyzing crashes in details and trying to figure out the root cause and then figure out how to reduce risk.
@@michaelc3977 he's learning from what he did wrong, and its not like its more risky post crash, its just risky in general. maybe dont be watching dangerous content if you dont like when people risk their lives
@michaelc3977 Those with a "holier than thou" mindset are more disgraceful than this guy. Per your analysis, anyone who is injured in a car accident when they are at fault should never drive again. Either offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism if you have the knowledge and experience (which is doubtful) or keep living that pathetic life of an incel down in your mother's basement. Are you so very salty because you've never touched a woman? Is it to the point that women don't know you exist and you are getting too old to have children? I have heard AI can pretend to be a girlfriend, why don't you try it...
Well it has finally happened
Firstly I’m a big fan of the content you create and wish you a full recovery
From a pilot that’s been in the game since it’s inception I hope I can offer some words to help you analyse this incident and potentially curb some of your self defeating flying traits so you can fly another day
I don’t want to rub salt into your wounds but the writing was on the wall with this one Anthony so I won’t be sugar coating it
I can’t see a tension knot in this footage however I hope you look more internally at the error and avoid suggesting or blamming the equipment ie the slight deformation in your wing as the cause of this accident
Also why isn’t anyone openly discussing the elephant in the room here and that is the fact that you were ripping along at an unrecoverable low level (a claimed 48 miles per hour) on what appears to be full speed bar but more concerningly no hands on the brake toggles and on full revs messing around on your phone ( I’ll say herein lies the issue) and I’m seeing more and more of this complacency in the current crop of tricks for clicks pilots
It’s clear from this latest footage that your wing suffered a right side frontal deflation/collapse however I doubt that this slight deformation around the C & D line wing attachment points was the cause of the wing collapse for the following reasons
You managed to front/forward launch the wing and climb out successfully and fly hands free and gain some altitude without incident,
you also were able to use your speed bar without inducing any collapse
I’d say if the deformation was going to cause a flight issue it would probably be more stall and spin related than an asymmetric collapse as was the case with your wing and the.collapse would potentially have occurred sooner if entirely due to the deformation
I’m unsure if you identified the deformation in flight however some things you could do in the same circumstances would be to avoid using the speed bar, back the revs off and maintain fairly straight and level flight whilst descending slowly to a safe landing location to sort out your wing
Getting off the phone and paying attention to your wing and surroundings particularly whilst at low altitude and definitely at those speeds is also a safer option
I think some self reflection re flying attitude will go a long way to ensuring you have many more safe flights to look forward to if that’s what you still crave and ultimately make sure that the decision to eventually return to flying is made entirely by you without external influence because at the end of the day it’s you up there and not your viewers, so fly for the right reasons and in a manner that results in many flying years ahead
Cherish the valuable recovery time together with your family, keep your chin up soldier and please never land like that again as that one wasn’t an “Enchanted” landing
All the best, stay strong
I’d like to share this on my Facebook if that’s alright with you. It seems like a balanced and considerate perspective.
I had a similar knot when testing a newly released intermediate wing many, many years ago. Points I'd like to add, are that knots in this area are very hard to spot as they don't noticeably change the planform of the wing. In my case it was a one shot only launch with few abort options and a fairly dull day so very hard to see individual lines. I did a completely nil wind forward launch and despite the knot the wing launched successfully. My only clues during the take off run were slightly less lift than expected and a shouted warning from a fellow pilot - but not in English so I didn't know what he said. Once airborne, due to slightly less than expected lift and a less dynamic feel than I expected, I was aware something wasn't quite right and very carefully inspected the wing again but still didn't see the knot.
As it was my very first flight on this particular wing and in mildly thermic conditions it was impossible to judge whether the issue was with the wing or the conditions. I strongly suspected something wasn't right but couldn't pin it down. Whilst gliding towards the landing field I then entered a weak and smooth thermal. At this point I debated continuing straight to the bottom landing field to check what was wrong or gaining a little more height and then reassessing things. In the end I made the wrong decision and started a gentle thermalling turn whereupon the wing immediately dropped back and entered a deep stall. Given my experience, I should have trusted my judgement that something was wrong and got myself back on the ground as carefully and quickly as I could.
With hands already on the brakes and fully alert to the possibility something was wrong I recognised the deep stall and was able to immediately go into active recovery mode. Due to the knot, the wing refused to recover until I'd tried every deep stall recovery method in the book. During these attempts to force the wing into forward flight the knot became visible to me especially when was diving in front. When above, it was invisible but when diving you could clearly see the section of the wing that was holding back due to the drag. Every time I pendulumed back underneath it simply resumed the deep stalled state. It only recovered once the knot came out which was just in time for me to land safely.
The key lessons I took from my experience were to check as carefully as you can on launch (which I had done but still didn't spot the issue), and if you even suspect you have an issue, head straight to the landing field with as few and as gentle control inputs as you can. If you have the height, try to actively recover but also keep a constant check on altitude needed to deploy your reserve. Don't get fixated on recovery and miss your chance to deploy your reserve successfully. With hindsight I've also considered whether big knots near the centre of a wing might be one of the very few situations where a reserve deployment whilst the wing is still flying straight and level are worth considering. With large centrally located knots, at any point the wing may enter an irrecoverable state and you don't want that to happen at low altitude.
I also completely agree with @justfly1644 comments above with regards the elephant in the room and that incidents such as these should be discussed openly to help everyone avoid the pain and trauma they so often result in.
Thank you so very much for sharing and best wishes for your recovery.
JUSTIFY. PUBLISH THAT BOOK YOU WROTE AND THEN GET A LIFE
Hey Anthony, thank you so much for releasing the footage, allowing all of us to learn and increase our awareness.
The deformation looked small at the beginning, easy to miss. Get well and up in the sky soon! all the best to you and thanks again for sharing this so openly!
Thanks for sharing the additional footage, Anthony. The deformed wing is very clear but I'm still having trouble understanding the exact point of failure. One thing is for sure: as a future pilot I will take wing inspection very seriously.
I hope you have a smooth and speedy recovery.
It's the thing keeping you in the air. Please do take it seriously on preflight!
There is no single "point of failure". The tension knot is certainly a thing, however it's just one factor. Maybe it ultimately caused the collapse, maybe not. The proximity to the ground is what ultimately caused the resultant unpleasant outcome. If he'd been 500' higher, he'd have likely been able to recover or toss the laundry.
I guess what made me respond to your comment is the logic that taking wing inspection very seriously would solve this.
But it's the low altitude that really made this a crash and not just a scare.
@@asksteevsthere is no tension knot anywhere in the footage.
@@asksteevs "I guess what made me respond to your comment is the logic that taking wing inspection very seriously would solve this."
That's not what I was saying at all, and I'm fully aware the cause of the collapse is entirely independent from the reason for the accident.
I can see deformation from 6.32, but no idea whats causing it. Useful lesson to look up and check the wing for any sign of deformation after takeoff.
at 4:44 you can clearly see he's siting in a lawn chair with a lawn mower attached to it and using a parachute as a wing. Thats the biggest problem
@@DG-kr8pt LOL
Thank you for taking the time to help us all be better pilots, so many great camera angles and information to digest. Wishing you the best recovery and looking forward to seeing you back in the air again!
im not into this hobby, but came across these videos. crazy how quick shit can go wrong. wishing for a speedy recovery. glad you survived and had the balls to share with the internet.
So glad you are safe And will come out on top again! Sending well wishes for a successful and speedy recovery! Thanks for the video!
Too many gadgets, too little piloting. Wishing you a full recovery.
Wow! So glad you are alive and have a supportive family. Bless you all! That's a tube I'm gonna have to watch again.
Studied carefully frame by frame and I see ZERO tension knot and I’ve had several over the last 15 years so I know what I’m looking for.
The trailing edge is obviously deformed just past center right.I saw it over an over.
can't really see any knot either, but it's not as if the 360 cam is sharp enough to show a knot in the upper canopy. But the wing is clearly deformed, so there has to be a knot somewhere
@@leonardparapente9807 yup
Or it was trimmed wrong as you definitely cant see a tension know
@@Adrenalinspunk it could be a possibility... but thay will be easily checkable and I m sure we would hear of it if it was the case.
Ive never flown anything in my life but saw a short of you on fb reels buddy thats gotta be one of the scariest things ive ever seen. Thank god your alive hope you can get back up there soon.
thank you for your transparency. Your transparency can and will save lives.
seeing your update give me great relief and makes me so happy! ❤🎉 stay strong in these difficult times anthony.
and stop crashing for christ sake! 🙏
I can see the deformation on the wing, but still struggling to see the actual knot that's causing it. If someone can clearly see it, do you mind giving a timestamp and describing where you see the knot please?
Same here, not seeing video proof of a tension knot. BGD has already decided to call it a tension knot.
Starting to doubt there was a tension knot. And usually the wing will fly in a way that would give you indication that something is off if one was present.
4:00 brake line is over another line. Putting constant pressure on brake line. At 3:57 you can see the other side of the glider which is what it is supposed to look like.
@@pg_jem that's what I see too
@@SMarti018 Actually, if you pause it around 4:03 or 4:04, it looks like the brake toggle is threaded through some riser lines - which isn't really my understanding of a "tension knot," but could certainly cause some issues
Anthony, I don't follow you but I heard about this. I'm super happy that you survived. I hope you feel better soon brother. God Bless you, your family, and all the paramotor flyers out there.
Brother, you are alive. That is the most important part of all of this. With that said, being able to watch the video helps everyone. Thank you!
Incredible and super valuable footage (and lessons) - THANK YOU for your courage in sharing.
Extremely happy to see you survived this, I hope you make a full recovery swiftly
Thank you. 🙏🏻
Thank you YT for recommending this video and squashing any thoughts I had of ever paramotoring.
We are just happy you are alive! That could have been so much worse.
I'll be praying for your recovery man.
Stay strong!
Thank you very much! I appreciate it. I believe that all the prayers are helping me to recover at a very fast rate. Doctors have even said it's miraculous. I appreciate your support.
@@AnthonyVella 🥰
@@AnthonyVella I am another stranger on the internet but I am really really happy to hear that you are making a fast recovery.. keep on shining light man..
I’m sure this footages is going viral, thanks for sharing.
I’m a bit surprised that there’s not much attention for the most important lesson: don’t fly and push limits at low altitude! Do the same thing at 1200 ft and there is time to reset the wing or throw a reserve.
Wishing u a speedy recovery! That was scary to watch. Lots of positive thoughts going to u and ur wife. Y'all both a have a lot to go thru for a bit so I'm wishing u both good luck.
This video will save lives. Glad you’re pulling through.
So glad you doing better so glad you are still here 🤟💯⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐👍👍🙏
Hello thank god you are ok and will recover. I have not flown or been around collapsible wing aircraft I fly conventional aircraft but have always been fascinated by paragliders as they seem like the closest to pure flying that can be done. I was observing just as a basic observation which iam sure that you have already decided is that when pushing any aircraft to the limits altitude is your friend we would always do practice stalls at least 3500 agl. That would have given some altitude for recovery and or e shute deployment. You are doing a great service to show your accident and discuss it to aid other pilots .Again so happy you are ok and recovering look forward to new videos down the road.
One huge elephant in the room nobody is mentioning. This wing is totally unsuitable for paramotoring, it's a performance paragliding wing that has much too narrow an aspect ratio, a paramotor wing should be twice as thick as this at least in it's aspect ratio, as such it would be very resistant to collapse in this way and this accident would not of happened.
accroding to manufacturer`s website - The LUNA 3 (one used by pilot) is a reflex paramotor wing for intermediate and advanced pilots. It has a very high top speed and a wide speed range.
You don't need to release anything! Thank you for sharing, but most importantly, we are praying for your recovery!
Praying does nothing. You don't have mental telepathy powers.
@@RustyCyler How do you know he doesn’t????
@@chamales3 No one has mental telepathy powers because no one has ever proved it.
Bro, regardless of any speculation or other rediculousness ... I'm so happy you are ok. Get better soon!! Can't wait to fly with you.
brother I feel i speak for everyone when I say, we're all so glad you've been able to pull through this. Such a scary experience and god bless you and you family.
glad youre alive man. hope you have a full recovery
I don’t mean to throw shade but something for newer pilots to think about.
I just can’t help but think all that time adjusting the go pro could have been used to check the actual import things.
I flew my paraglider with a chase Cam one time and it got tangled up in the lines after I launched, and I have not filmed any fly since then nothing bad happened and it didn’t before my glider at all, but I saw the dangers of trying to record my flying and immediately stopped.
So glad to see you’re on your way to recovery!!
I like how well you have everything documented. It will help others learn. I’m glad you’re safe 🙏
He was in fact.... Not safe. He broke his back and elbow and almost died.
So, my friend, Frank and I went to El Paso to visit Anthony this last weekend. We had a chance to get the wing out of his garage and untangle it. We found a single broken line precisely where you see the arrow at minute mark five minutes. It appears that that broken line may have been present at the time he took off based on what I’m seeing here. I initially thought it somehow broke during or at the time of the accident, but now I’m wondering if maybe he had a broken line all along. Not sure.
Please show photos
That’s dangerous sport. If one line breaks you plummet to the floor. Even at higher altitude wouldn’t have mattered. This type of spin would have caused the reserve right underneath the wing. Not enough time to recover.
Complete nonsense if you know anything about the sport. There's ample evidence showing you can love several lines without issue and still fly and land.
Damn that was crazy. Glad your still with us!
I think it is important to make sure we are not drawing a false conclusion to protect BGD... I may have missed it, but not at any point can I locate the Tension Knot, please correct me if I am wrong ... I do not like how quickly BGD came out and confirmed it as a "Tension Knot" ... Based on what ?
I'm thinking the same
Don't get the quickness to attack the manufacturer, especially in a case where the victim stated himself it wasn't the manufacturer. I don't care personally about BGDs reputation, but it's interesting to me what's going on. We don't immediately jump to blame Honda or Chevy when someone has a car crash. Not saying they are or aren't responsible, but the reaction of the community has been interesting to see.
Edit: lemme add, however, that I fail to see the knot they are talking about as well, though the deformation is clear to anyone with eyeballbits.
@@MillionYearProgram42 We can't blame or absolve them too quickly. The company has a vested interest to absolve themselves, its not sinister, its business. Their opinion is biased, tho that doesnt make them wrong. Sometimes people are quick to blame themselves as well. I do think that BGD will be doing 'damage control', and likely reviewing that wing for themselves, a LOT. Of course, if they DO change the glider after this incident, it could be construed as the notice of a design error. Regardless the end outcome, this is bad PR for everyone involved and I hate to see it. Lest I forget to mention, poor Anthony is suffering and I hope he heals quickly.
I think the knot might be too far off to be visible on camera. However you clearly see the wing not having the right shape, being pulled down and showing a big crease. There is something wrong somewhere on the central C/D lines. what more proof do you need ?
@@MillionYearProgram42 I agree to a point, What I want to hear from any Manufacturer that is producing a product that can kill you is simple, "We will review the incident, Our clients safety is our number one concern"... That is not what happened, It was Open and close, "It was a tension Knot" not good at all, not the response I want to hear ..... But of course this is only my opinion ..
Thank you for making this a learning opportunity despite everything you and your family is going through. I don’t see a knot myself but all I can do is take your and BGD word for it. The deformation is there so no denying that much. Personally, I’ll be sticking with Dudek and ozone but this has at least cleared the air for BGD as user error. I know each circumstance and glider is very different but after seeing the same root cause and type of collapse- the ozone in aviators video recovered so much faster. Different scenario, aspect ratio, etc, I get it- but going to stick with what I know. Regardless we should all be reminded using bar low is only for those crazy racing pilots competing over water lol
pilot imput has a huge impact also, unfortunately a collapse at full speed 75km/h is pretty violent for sure, but Anthony doesn't release the speed bar after the collapse, leading to more violent reactions that if he did release it. The crash might not have been avoidable from so low however... with no brakes in hand !
of all the plane crash footage ive seen, this just completely shocked me to my core. The way that, in less than a second, you went from flying, to falling is just unbelievable. Truly one of the scariest things ive ever seen. Hope you have a speedy recovery mate, that looked awful.
Thanks for the video and I hope you recover soon
Really appreciate the uploads, extremely terrifying to see. Been watching videos of this sport for a few weeks now and was getting excited at the idea of learning. Obviously this is extremely worrying but only a reinforcement of how things can go wrong even for thr experienced pilot. Is this something that could have been spotted earlier and landed to fix the problem? I don't really understand what I am looking at yet but once I do how would I spot this after takeoff? Thank you and hofully you make a fast recovery. X
it's a random gust of wind. you can't predict it and it will kill you. There's a reason these amazingly talented guys keep crashing: because random wind cannot be outskilled or outplanned. You are putting your life into the hands of random wind gusts. Very dumb imo.
@@artbyrobot1It won’t kill you if you have enough altitude to recover. Random wind can absolutely be outplanned. If he was a higher up he would have had plenty of time to recover or throw emergency chute. That’s what it’s for. He put himself at more risk by flying so low.
Thank you for sharing so we can all learn and be safer! God speed your recovery.
My armchair analysis says the riser looks janky / twisted. In other words, I think the riser went between the lines at some point before clip-in. Can see the C line maillon doesn't line up in the A to D gradient as it should. Looks like that caused some of the lines to hook up on each other as a secondary effect. Combination caused that side of the glider to be "pulled" in causing front to tuck more easily.
Hey man, glad you're okay and hoping for a speedy recovery
damn that’s so terrifying to watch.
appreciate you for giving us the additional video. get well soon anthony! stay strong! 💪🏻
Wow.. I sent that finger loop design in the handle to OZONE 2 years ago and they never made it. Glad to see someone finally did. Also glad you are still alive. Did you reveal all your boldly damages somewhere? guessing broken arm and bruised ribs?
That’s super interesting. You could have patented your idea. In a future video, I’ll share all of the injuries sustained.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery my man 🙏🏻
Props for posting. If you’re gonna push the envelope having altitude and paying full attention helps prevent stuff like this
I'm noticing two separate things that may have contributed.
Firstly, as everyone else noticed, there is a very obvious deformity on the wing on the right side. This is present during inflation (which is why the wing yawed to the right). To me, this looks like the C lines are shorter here, pulling the material down. If there is a tension knot, it's on the C line cascade - and we just cannot see it due to the lower res of the 360 cam - and the fact that they are unsheathed - making them harder to see. Furthermore, the distortion introduced by the 360 cam can cause weird artifacts like a splitting of the image where it is stitching edges of video together.
The second thing I notice, is the speedbar setup itself; The lines aren't being routed through their proper pulleys on the harness, and instead, are run directly to the clips on the risers (I assume to save time?). I've never done this - so I'm not sure it makes a big difference in the actual function - HOWEVER - the lengths of the speedbar lines themselves seem to be quite different. This is important, because towards the end of the video, you can see that the right side pulleys are much closer together than the left side (by a couple of inches at least - see 6:59). This means that the right side was more accelerated than the left side. Combine that with the deformity in the wing on that same side, and I think those two issues compounding on one another is what caused the leading edge to frontal.
As for what was causing the bunching of the fabric, I just can't see what it is. It's definitely SOMETHING. Hopefully it wasn't a repaired line or anything like that...
Anthony - heal up fast!
Yep, both the wing deformity and the speed bar. I missed the part about the routing lines and the pulleys being closer on the right side. So, it's three things adding up to reduce the angle of attack on the right side. Deformity + speed bar + non-symmetric speed bar rigging. And doing all of this in the death zone altitude. Not high enough for the wing to recover or use a reserve chute, and too high from the ground to crash with no vertical velocity.
I noticed that too, at #03:17 it looks like the C line has more tension on the middle of the right side than the Bs.
Thanks for sharing. It must stir up alot of emotional responses. Your very strong to approach this as early as you have. And im sure all the community commends you for doing so. We could have waited, but the conspiracy theorists may have got out of hand. What everyone can see is a few errors from your side, which im sure its hard to admit being experienced. However we all get a little complacent now and again. Height, phone, brakes etc, you know the deal. But there is an obvious deformation of the wing. No one can deny that. Where that is is likely/possibly from a few scenarios. Riser through/twist, knot further up line. I couldn't and wouldn't like to guess, because thats what it would be, just a guess. The only way would have been an immediate inspection of the wing after impact (but then that could have changed configuration upon imact. Did anyone else fly the wing just before you that had no knots or deformation? Going trim open and full speed bar with a rear deformation is unfortunately high risk of an incident and wing acting out of its normal flight configuration, thats a no brainer(even in paragliding) your taught to be aware of an increased risk of frontal collapse and be ready to come off bar immediately and catch with brake inputs where needed. Where you at full bar and pullys hitting against eachother? I ask as manuals do say pushing bar pressure beyond its intended purpose can cause a wing to act out of configuration. Ive been reading all the comments and therw are some awsome and supportive people out there, but unfortunately social media has many idiots. There are glass half full types, and doom and gloom types. The gloom types want a reason to hate, to find a reason for anything to hate on a brand because they fly another. Or a blame culture within them that everything is someone else's fault but their own. I love the way you have owned this situation with dignity and openness and hopefully we all can learn for this tragic event, and im sure your situation will save lives. Infact im certain of that. Big kudos to you brother, stay strong and quick recovery. And i hope you see your kids very soon. Positive vibes your way from Wales. Uk❤
Wish you all the best man, speedy recovery.
@AnthonyVella any chance of releasing the actual 360 footage so we can crop and pan to look for issues?
Thank you for sharing, awesome power to your swift healing sir you have my positive thoughts.
Thanks for sharing. Heal up!
Man is a legend for still thinking about his channel and subscribers/fans
The ultimate goal is that this video search the flying community. My hope is that it will prevent someone else from experiencing a serious injury or death.
Trying to figure out this crash reminds me of trying to figure out how the Jacob Trever crash. But honestly thanks for posting this, Its gotta take courage that I dont come close to having. very glad you are alive
Me watching this with absolutely no idea how paramotors work: *yep, it definitely collapsed*
Man this is hard to watch… I genuinely hope you are ok and recovering well. I doubt this was saveable given the nature of the lines letting go but a real lesson for you YT paramotor pilots is put your f@cking phones away! On the phone and low will never help you in a situation where speedy inputs could literally save your life. Appreciate the share, this is a video every ppg guy could learn from.
Good thing we get updates cause this is pretty deadly and we want to make sure your good
Attempting to go as fast as possible, very low AGL, hands off the controls. I pray for a speedy recovery for the sake of your family, but this crash was simply a case of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
There are some wrinkles on the RH-side console already at 3:24 and at 4:12 and further. IMHO that was the major technical cause of collapse (besides the extreme flying conditions). I suspect the inner-right D line was short by some reason. BTW, this could be also a partial reason of the twisted take-off (besides the possible uneven pull).
I suggest to check the lines and the risers (best if those are still attached to the PM). Look how neat are the left risers at 4:08 compared to the twisted right ones at 4:09. But more likely the D line.
Best recovery!
Dude, good luck healing! You have clearly have good people around you! Remember that you’re blessed, the next day is the next battle
Thank you very much! I am so fortunate to have survived.
Damn. Nice job editing. Glad I didn’t delete that footage accidentally.
Dang man, that looks like it effing hurt. The best thing you can do is learn as much as you can from the entire situation. In the end you’ll be a better pilot and hopefully save someone else from a similar situation.
Besides all valid observations sofar, I was also wondering if the knots at your steering handles show some loosening?
Hi man, just discovered your video. I hope you are doing allright. I fell trough a glass roof with a 12M height. I know how you feel, what a facking miracle is it that we are both alive. Thank god! I wish you the best! I hope to see your updates fast, stay strong❤
Thank you very much, and I am happy to hear that you survived your fall. That sounds terrifying. I appreciate it reading your comment.
Your a tough dude Be proud. Not many can have such a amazing story.
Mercy! Nothing to apologize for. You are outstanding for releasing what you have already. Please get well soon!
Watching on the small screen on my phone , I just couldn’t see a knot. The wing looked deformed slightly in a few frames but not bad. Sure wouldn’t have guessed such a violent collapse even with speed bar. Don’t beat yourself up trying to second guess. Get better soon!!!
This is a lesson in why flying low level with full speed bar, distracted, with your hands off the brakes is a recipe for disaster. I don’t see a deformity but if there was one, adding speed bar was the wrong way to address it..This is a frontal collapse that’s accelerated by having the speed bar buried to its limit. The only time I ever use my speedbar is in emergencies and it’s usually in combination with big ears so the remaining glider is heavily loaded. Every inch of speedbar you use increases your risk for a radical frontal… full speed bar close to the ground is never a good idea.. if you want to fly faster, buy a smaller glider and let increased wing loading take care of the speed, not reducing the angle of attack on a ram air wing that relies on internal pressure keeping it over your head! One small turbulent pocket of air near the ground is all it takes to ruin your day! Stay off your speedbar people and quit flying wings with reflex if you value your life… yes they fly fast but when things go bad, they go really bad really quickly. Best of wishes in your recovery and thankfully you’re still alive!
Of all the posts on here, this reply is the most inaccurate analysis of what is occurring in this video aswell as your analysis on how to fly paragliders for reflex gliders. These type of comments scream Dell Schanze. Are you trolling?
@@charleskilchrist3215 it doesn’t take a rocket scientist or dell schanze to figure out how dangerous these wings are. 90% of the recent paramotor deaths can be directly attributed to flying reflex wings that are often times unrecoverable, hence the non-existent classification of such wings in reflex. My analysis is spot on…you’re just mad because you’re a believer in these death traps… how many more people need to die before people realize that reflex gliders without certification are dangerous? anytime you accelerate a ram air wing by decreasing the angle of attack and placing the load on the front 1/3 of the wing your risk of taking a huge unrecoverable frontal collapse is significantly increased. It appears as though they are more collapse resistant and they are because the wing loading is so high in the front but once you take a frontal it’s so dynamic and the trimmers keep you stuck in reflex so recovery takes much much longer and the collapse is usually much larger… you fly what you wish but don’t pretend like there isn’t more risk when companies can’t even get them safety certified in reflex.
I don't do paramotoring, but as an automobile driver/boater/bicyclist/etc. I can definitely say the phone should have stayed in a pocket the whole trip. Monkeying with a phone in one hand doesn't help when all of a sudden a hazard arises.
thanks for the additional video. That looks like a giant tumor in the Near the center on the D row.
get well Anthony
faaaauurrrrrkkkkk mate you got balls of steel, hopefully you physically and mentally recover. the ptsd you could get from this would be crazy
For sure! I'm already having nightmares from this. But I'm betting that it'll get better with time. Thanks for your well wishes!
I’m not sure what I’m looking at when you pause the video. If there’s a tension knot I’m not sure what I’m missing from the video. It’s scary that the wing can collapse like that!
I thank you for putting out this video. It is my hope that we can understand what happened and what caused the collapse so as to avoid future accidents and crashes.
Your accident is devastating, but I realize it could have been much worse. I’m glad it wasn’t.
God speed in your healing. God bless
ANTHONY At 6:58 your right split A mallions are not the same height & also not close together, looks like the single line A is hung up, look at your left A mallions- same height & closer together as they should be.
also your right speed bar pulleys by your thumb & phone, are closer together than your left pulleys are IMHO. my thoughts & prayers are with you 🙏✌GOD speed on your recovery.
I think this guy is on to it. Something goes wrong with the right A's right when he pushes full speed bar, and the collapse happens very soon after. A problem with the A's is more consistent with massive assymetric collapse than trailing edge deformation due to a tension knot in the C or D's.
@@rowansinton2915 The trailing edge deformation on the right side also would tend to reduce the angle of attack, adding to the asymmetric speed bar.
Something looks off @ 4:00. Thank you for posting this... It helps us all learn. I still think going for a speed record so low was the ultimate beginning problem though.
Too bold, going full out so low. 200m above and you could have wiped your pants and be done. Hope you recover quickly!
Dude it’s all good you alive and hope you have. Speedy recovery hope this video shows anyone that can fix or get info about the incident so it won’t happen again
Thank you! The ultimate goal for sharing this video is that it prevent someone from being seriously hurt or killed.
I did only manage to see the video once, I am super happy that you survived. Could not see the tension knot, but it seems to be further out in the lines, as the deflection seems to be a section of a c line, haven’t checked the line diagram.. I only free fly so my comments is based on that. I would never ever place the brakes in their magnets and then push full speed bar close to ground. A little turbulence would be game over… the wing needs several seconds to recover, as written in the wings test, seconds you don’t have close to ground. Height=safety in our sport. But as i said, I only fly engine less. Take care and hope you manage to recover.
The wing is deformed on the side if the collapse but I see no knot. But there must be some line shortening of some cause which pretty surely was the cause when flown to the edge of its capacity - Peter from Sweden
Welcome to the club of broken bone.. I hope you will have a nice recovery.. ! If I have to make a little point to suggest you another important thing is never leave your brake handle, keep in one hand both of them. It would not make a difference in this case but is very importan expecially after take off or when close to the ground.. hope you will make it back on your feet
Dude, just heal up! Don't rush anything. We're praying for you.
When you reversed the footage I thought you got out of it for a second. I’m glad you’re alive my friend.
Haha! I wish! That would have been awesome if I had a reverse-time button. Would have come in handy! lol. Thank's for reaching out and take care. 😊
From launch there was a crinkle in your wing the entire time on the right side which appeared to slightly deform your wing which appeared to input a minor deflection of the trailing edge. When your wing collapsed it appeared that it started right in the area where that crinkle in your wing was. It's very hard to see the actual connection points to the wing though so it's hard to tell what was actually causing that crinkle possible a line twist.
Well as someone who works in the medical industry…I can confidently say that I have no idea what the hell happened to your paramotor but I’m glad to hear you’re okay!
4:15 the deformation is quite visible. The problem must be somewhere really close to the wing since it is affecting basically attachment points d3, d4, e3 and e4 (clearly d3 and d4 but e3 and e4 are question marks here since the deformation makes it impossible to identify that clearly if those are also affected or not) of the wing. Those are connected with DM2 to DR1 and if there would be something wrong with the DR1 it should also affect to DM1 and therefore to attachment points d1, d2, e1 and e2 as well but those seem to be clear of deformation. So there is something weird going on with DM2 or even closer to the wing which is not clearly visible in the video. Line plan can be found from the manual which is available at BGD's Luna 3 product specific page's download section.
Ive worked for american airlines, rockwell international. And now the FAA as a ac mechanic A&P ive learned over the years a lot of people in aviation are snakes. You're a good man with a beautiful wife sounds like some are jealous of your talent as a pilo, youe ability to communicate. Your a rare breed
A tension knot in the upper cascade is hard to spot. This happened to me one time before. While I was reverse kiting my wing just before take off, I saw a deformity of the undersurface similar to the one in this video. I couldn't see any problems with the lines from my view. When I put the wing down and examined the upper cascade I found the knot. I was thinking this is so easy to miss if I didn't have enough wind to kite my wing that day.
Is this the Glider you were using a few weeks ago when you with the tree on landing , with the right side. It looks to be like it is. In that video you hit the tree at 10:55. Would that have anything to do with this?
I think my last comment got taken down because it had an imgur link in it. I was just saying to look at the deformation on the trailing edge at 6m 43s. Not sure if that's because brake was being pulled but it looks maybe a little sketchy for traveling at 50 mph. Wish you a speedy recovery, and thanks for sharing your experience.
i'm new in this and not english fluent, but i can see that at 4:00 one line is going across others, and then at 4:10 it seems to go back to its intended place but i guess it just displaced the knot up to the chute? (again sorry if i use the wrong terms, i'm trying to learn)
There were a few things that I saw as an instructor. It was more than just the lines. But at this point the only thing that matters is he's ok. And recovery is remarkable with the help of his doctors, family, and friends.
1/ from your experience anthony.how you set up the speedbar line. is this the proper way to do this.how do you know if the distance between the two lines are exact?