The Deprogram Episode 52 - Aww shit, here we go Afghain
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2025
- Returning after popular demand - Habibi lectures by Hakim! Today we cover the killer of empires - Afghanistan and it's incredibly complicated history.
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Hell yeah, history lesson with Dr. Hakim
33:55
Hakim:That happened with a patient today
JT: Was assassinated!?
Yugo: 👻👻👻👻👻
French listener here. Thanks for the recognition of how f*cking wretched we are
Neocolonialism is not a good look
Oui truly are! William Catton Jr's book "Overshoot" explains that we are no smarter in mass than yeast in a wine vat. We will consume until we are consumed ourselves.
Remember to censor fr*nch next time!
Are there any francophone communists on youtube or anywhere else worth checking? Not affiliated with PCF, PS or LFI.
les damnes de la terre
Speaking of Rishi Sunak, his ancestors were colonial collaborators in East Africa who got booted out of those countries and ended up settling in Britain. This is also true for the other notable "Indian origin" Tory politicians like Priti Patel and Suella Braverman
Which makes it all the more ironic that Priti Patel is all about deporting people from Britain on ethnic grounds
@@tonttu7979 They firmly believe that they are British and even feel pride in the Raj
Boys we got a imperialist Mr. World right there.
as to be expected with that kind of money...
@@anmolt3840051 Then ofc you have Dinesh D'Snoozer, who feels the same kiss-ass way about the British empire.
"The worst place on earth is indeed England" Me - Hey I resent th.... *looks around*... No, actually, continue.
Im English and I hate England its fine dude. Its an empires corpse, stained with innocent blood and rotting concrete.
Its fetid, rotting in its own arrogance and superiority complex. Its Americas bootlicker, and its citizens talk about their outdated monarchy and empire like its something to be proud of and not a corpse of the past. Its an evil place thats just a shadow of itself. Its depressing
Hakim's book recommendations on the subject of Afghanistan:
"Afghanistan-Washington's Secret War" by Phillip Bonosky
"Revolutionary Afghanistan" by Beverley Male
"Afghanistan: A Cultural and Political History" by Thomas Barfield (Hakim says it's a total garbage but may contain some useful info)
"Ghost Wars" by Steve Coll (same opinion as on the previous book)
Thanks comrade
@@Sednas You're welcome!
I would love more Hakim History Episodes! The dude's an endless font of knowledge.
Also, feel free to break things up into multiple parts if there's way too much to cram into a single episode. For instance, i wouldn't mind you covering other notable periods in Afghanistan's history that you didn't cover (or had to gloss over) here.
Most of what he said was incorrect
"Dr. Menge...I mean, Dr. Hakim." 😂
German Listeners be like: 👀
The way Hakim describes Sharia sounds exactly analogous to Jewish law (Halakha). Covers every aspect of life, mostly boring things like how many times does an ox have to gore something before we call it an "ox that is liable to often gore things" etc., and has so many differing opinions on each issue that it can be hard to ever say "this is the law on this matter" sometimes.
" The only good thing about climate change is that Britain will sink into the sea "
Agreed, it´s terrible here.
OMG I JUST realized that one of my favorite songs' cover art is on the wall there, Chairman Mao by Bambu!
if you are planning on eventually doing episodes focused on all of the former Socialist states of the 20th century, I'd love to see one of the People's Republic of Congo (1969-92) I can hardly find any sources about it, but it was one of the major self-proclaimed Marxist-Leninist states in Africa at the time, along with Angola, Ethiopia and Mozambique.
also, I can't wait for a Cambodia focused episode, that one would defiantly be ... Interesting. lol.
pol pot was as communist as hitler was socialist
BTW about babies and their cries. I heard that a baby of deaf parents doesn't cry, he/she just opens his/her mouth and pretends to cry. Since mother would quite often check on them, and she can't hear his/her cry anyways.
ive never heard of this .. interestign ....
This is assuming that the baby has no other contact with other adults or people
@@sierra1513 so it's true then?
Damn, Hakim, you won my heart with your comments!) Next round of "belenkaya" on me!)) From Russia with love, comrades, пролетарский привет!
This podcast is dedicated to the brave fighters of the Mujahideen.
hahahahah lol
And 20ist assassinated Afghani leaders.
The most intelligent podcast in the world. Thank you for all you do ❤
Interesting, some overlap (and contradictions as well) with what Vijay Prishad said about the party in Afghanistan. He would actually be a great guest for the show.
To say that I like the music at the end is an understatement. вот ты сидишь думаешь про афган, а в следующую секунду включается этот кустурица, а ты превращаешься в плохого танцора индийских танцев. name the song please. and how great that you called Semin - because now I have new favorite channels
It’s been a very long day out here too, I also wanna use my lungs like a baby getting her first shots.
Congrats JT!
Just as im drinking lesgooooooo
Dankjewel kameraden!
nog n Nederlandse kameraad! ✊❤
@@brammeijer5411 vrede land en brood kameraad! ✊️
@@stella_h2o320 inderdaad! ✊sfsn
Kameraden ✊
Great episode. I wonder if you guys could do a segment on the Sino-Soviet split?
Workers of the world, awaken!
Break your chains, demand your rights.
All the wealth you make is taken
B y exploiting parasites.
Shall you kneel in deep submission
From your cradles to your graves?
Is the height of your ambition
To be good and willing slaves?
Arise, ye prisoners of starvation!
Fight for your own emancipation;
Arise, ye slaves of ev’ry nation, in One Union Grand.
Our little ones for bread are crying;
And millions are from hunger dying;
The end the means is justifying,
‘Tis the final stand.
If the workers take a notion,
They can stop all speeding trains;
Every ship upon the ocean
They can tie with mighty chains;
Every wheel in the creation,
Every mine and every mill,
Fleets and armies of the nation,
Will at their command stand still.
Arise, ye prisoners of starvation!
Fight for your own emancipation;
Arise, ye slaves of ev’ry nation, in One Union Grand.
Our little ones for bread are crying;
And millions are from hunger dying;
The end the means is justifying,
‘Tis the final stand.
Join the union, fellow workers,
Men and women, side by side;
We will crush the greedy shirkers
Like a sweeping, surging tide;
For united we are standing,
But divided we will fall;
Let this be our understanding-
“All for one and one for all.”
Arise, ye prisoners of starvation!
Fight for your own emancipation;
Arise, ye slaves of ev’ry nation, in One Union Grand.
Our little ones for bread are crying;
And millions are from hunger dying;
The end the means is justifying,
‘Tis the final stand.
Workers of the world, awaken!
Rise in all your splendid might;
Take the wealth that you are making -
It belongs to you by right.
No one for bread will be crying,
We’ll have freedom, love and health,
When the grand red flag is flying
In the Worker’s commonwealth.
Cool
Based and Wobblie-pilled
Certified Bill Haywood moment.
What is this (I assume) song?
Did you boys discussed communist children books series "Dunno on the moon" or "Dunno in Sun City"? Could turn out to be very funny and educational episode for everyone
Heya boys! All the best to you ^^
Mongolia next? Thanks for the great info about Afghanistan
a couple important timestamps: 42:25 and 43:35
Thank you for educating us, comrade Hakim.
Fantastic episode as always boys, please do either China or Albania next
Yugopnik's statement about America being in Afghanistan for the opium is actually probably pretty accurate. Shortly after we invaded Afghanistan was when Purdue Pharma began pushing oxycontin and then a few years later everyone was addicted
Every military action for "freedom" always results in a very happy corporate board
ate engerland
luv communizums
simple as
yo holy shit, they got famous Iraqi leftist youtuber Hakim on the (de)Program, i wonder how the other Iraqi leftist youtuber Hakim would feel about this
Yes!! Love these!!! Would love to listen to an episode on Mexico or China!
I love Hakim's parenting suggestions LMAO
The Handmaid’s Tale book is really good, many critical differences from the TV show
I hear black people aren’t considered at all and are only mentioned as an afterthought in the addendum
1:01:00 just gonna go ahead and save that time stamp
and i liked this lecture-type episode make more
Fun fact from a psych major: we know about the 5 day baby thing because of some mishaps in Russian orphanages.
55:47 Honest question: wouldn't they take that kind of anti-religious measures in order to disempower patriarchal tribe/clan leaders who (just like the old Orthodox Church during the Russian Revolution) joined reactionary forces against the socialist government? Because from that perspective it could be explained (and somewhat kind of justified).
58:33 Funily enough, the Afghan socialist experiment sounds a lot like the right-wing propagandists sell how any socialist revolution is: top-down urban elites throwing a coup d'etat, imposing measures against the popular masses through violence, implementing collectivization through force, etc. But this is particularly funny because the Afghan socialist experiment is the example on how to NOT do a socialist revolution (unlike the many other socialist experiences of the 20th century - with maybe the only other exception being Cambodia).
Love the lecture series. Can you do something on chinese communism and how it has to changed to what it has become today?
You guys should do one on China
Very nice and informative episode 😁
literally playing Metal Gear Phantom Pain. I accidentally pick up some politics idea about the Soviet in Afghanistan. Thanks Hakim for making understand deeper.
Canada has province's not states, but yes please do one on Canada we just got a new king.⚰️🦎
It'd be great if they had a Marxist from here on sometime. I'm sure they'd all have great reactions being told about the stuff Doug Ford has been up to
Hey guys recommend y'all reviewing Soviet book for children or movie "Dunno on the moon" it's very interesting how it shows capitalist society
At 38:30 hakim mentions about lenin and antifactionalism. What's that about and where can i read it?
He refers to the banning of fractions in the 10th Congress of the Russian Communist Party (Bolshevik) in 1921. You can read the full resolution in the MIA, as _"On Party Unity"_ (dated 16 March 1921).
It was basically a measure to ensure unity of action during the critical moments of the Russian Civil War, in the context of several fractional struggles inside the party hindering the discussions and decisionmaking process. Some Marxists, especially Trotskyists, argue this measure was temporary and especific for the conditions of the Civil War (and show as proof the tolerance of fractions in the party between 1917-1921, and after that between 1923-1927), while many others, especially Marxist-Leninists, defend antifractionalism as a core principle of any vanguard party (going even further to say that Lenin himself defended this).
Honestly, it is difficult for me to follow Hakim at times. Sometimes I want an explanation of a subject/concept without the incessant debunking side notes. Other than that, I deeply appreciate you all- your content is gold.
Amazing episode! Cover the 2 US backed coupes in Greece!
As an American who is fond of the taste of H, it mostly comes from south of the border, but some comes from much farther south or from SE Asia, or from domestic-made fentanyl derivatives mixed in various diliutants.
(Note bene: my information is at least 3 years out of date)
Don't forget to pick up "Greybeard" by Brian Aldiss. It predates "Children of Men" by P.D. James.
Cheers
Hope Afghanistan returns to a new Golden Age
well, i mean, religious fundamentalists' opinions ARE less worthy than ours because we believe in and go by dialectical materialism and science and proven things and they just go by whatever their holy books and priests say. we don't have to be like elitist atheists but we don't have to pander to the religious ones either and we can't let them have their islamic or christian republics and laws, especially not here in the balkans. faith is a personal thing, people can believe in whatever they want and celebrate whatever they want (i also like and celebrate the holidays but don't believe in the religion and am a marxist) but they can't group into teams like soccer fans, fight each other, and demand laws according to their religion, especially not in multicultural regions. and anything that contributes to that is a no and can't be allowed.
Agree, while there must be compromise during the transition to a secular socialist state, there must be a limit where religion should be present in the public even as early as these stages.
@@minhducnguyen9276 yeah, i mean we still have secular states officially, but different right-wing nationalist and religious factions always push for laws and other stuff according to religion and it should be pandered to. that doesn't mean they are less worthy than us as people but their opinions definitely are and we shouldn't go back as a society but move forward.
@@helenahrebeljanoviccipras Yeah. Right wings nationalist and religious fundamentalists are way past that point to be tolerable. They must always be criminalized.
Hahahahaha. Sounds as dogmatic as any traditional religion. Omg, you guys have zero self awareness.
The episode pattern is based on the prime 13, not every 26th episode!
Yo, did I hear Hakim make a Gundam reference?
Blame it on the misfortune of your birth!
Lovely
Episode 78 on Syria would be nice ♥️🇸🇾
I wish they make one about Syria
Пролетарии всех стран соединяйтесь!
I feel like it was a little thin on the diffences between Khalq and parcham. and indeed underestimates support for the DRA in the countryside. Particularly held by the Khalq. but tremendous work as always. constructive critiques only
Can you elaborate on the difference
Sudan or Iraq would be interesting to do.
if it's pronounced "Yvonne-iss-stahn," then why do we put a G in the name?
Like, obviously the power of religion particularly as a tool of colonialism should be curtailed, but beyond that anti-theism makes no sense in socialist praxis. Secular governance and education are not incompatible with freedom of religion
Another fantastic episode, and another fantastic example of how the left can actually do useful self critizism.
❤
do one about gergia my rbainsell nationalism wont alowm me to to order this episode
Guys, please call 'What is politics' on your podcast. Talk to him about hierarchy and the left-right divide. He has excellent clarity on this
ua-cam.com/users/WHATISPOLITICS69
@@tggames3417 That is an inaccurate oversimplification of what he said. He said it started off as a people's revolution but ended up as a one-party system which is not democratic. The whole point is that, as long as there is strict hierarchy and consolidation of power, the centers of power can be highjacked by power-hungry sociopaths who will use it to further consolidate power and capital and hoard resources for themselves. The more power, capital and decision-making ability is distributed equitably, the more difficult this becomes
@@paranoah1925 Damn guess I'll revisit the video and keep this in mind. I must of miss understood lol 😂 😂
my apologies
@@tggames3417 Yeah, his videos are sometimes so information dense, i have to go back several times
Disappointed in this video, Hakim clearly didn’t research the situation in Afghanistan well and its politics, history or culture. At times Hakim also touts blatant western propaganda against the pdpa, which is directly contradicted with documented historical and archival footage, etc. There are a plethora of incorrect information stated by Hakim, too much to actually mention as it’s in almost every second sentence, but I have listed a few.
Reminder that the Soviet Army was invited into Afghanistan by it's sovereign government; drunks that they were..
Good thing [redacted] would later kick their asses and the US military’s ass later on and sent them packing and taking over.
@@h.t.awesome3822 I guess.. I mean the Soviets should have just helped from the outside. The US never had good intentions there..
@@joshuamarx8209 To be fair, from what is described in the video, the afghani communist party were incompetent by themselves, this was a lost cause to begin with.
@@minhducnguyen9276 well yes doing nation states under global capitalist terms was always doomed to fail.
@@minhducnguyen9276 yep, and the red army used the same strategy as the US did in our country (Vietnam) and we all know how that strategy ended
The disavowal of state atheism is incredibly disappointing and surprising. Why allow reactionary idealism have such a major opening to maintain itself? Opium of the people and all that.
Your description of how the socialists treated Islam perfectly encapsulates the problem with vanguardism. We need a more anarchic approach here. Go read Malatesta or Berkman.
Hey Hakim, just an aside:
I know this will probably have a different connotation in Arabic, but the term ‘Afghani’ in English is considered a pejorative.
Maybe for the Brits, in the states many Afghans identify as Afghani.
Isn't that just how an Afghan citizen/national is called?
@@Ajente02 No, Afghan or sometimes Afghanistani.
@@ghettoguero2396 There it is: Afghan. Disproved your own bullshit point Lmao.
I'm proud of my state of California for giving awards to the Afghani Women's Freedom Association.
do this but for North Korea
They briefly looked at it in the Korean War episode, which adds a lot of the context as to why North Korea has developed the way it is, and how they were fucked over by the US and South Korea.
I nominate Albania. It's always a mystery to me because even between socialists they are rarely mentioned even when talking about Hoxha anti revisionism
I appreciate this content