I'm glad you mentioned the problem with hyper individualism. My first big step toward radicalization was taking a sociology class and learning that just maybe, people are (at least somewhat) a product of their environment. And that revelation kinda floored me. Cause as soon as I saw that, the world started to make more sense. I finally had a proper framework with which to understand the world and that's what so many Americans lack. They see only from their own eyes, and totally miss the big picture.
The book "Dialectical and historical materialism" by Stalin does a great job explaining how people are affected by their environment and vis versa. ua-cam.com/video/3HckrV5UCSE/v-deo.html
Right?? I know they get that suggestion all the time but dude FinBol has been doing ML stuff for just as long as the original first wave of "left tube" types. Like 6-7yrs ago.
Both BadEmpanada and TheFinnishBolshevik (as well as AzureScapegoat, MarxistPaul, Halim Alrah, and SpookyScarySocialist) would be great guests to talk about the socialist movements in their respective locations (Latin America, Scandinavia, Ireland, Middle East, and North America).
Great listen as a summary having just finished reading "Are Prisons Obsolete" by Angela Davis that loloverruled mentions and echos a lot of the same tidbits from. Especially the part about how the emergence of prisons directly corresponds to the Enlightenment's individualistic ideas, and hence penitentiary came to be a reform of capital/corporal punishment because taking away the newly 'inalienable' rights could now be a form of punishment. Furthermore Davis talks about how at this time of original institution, prisons only applied to men: since women were still excluded from these same newly endowed rights, they were still largely subject to corporal punishment but in the domestic realm by their husbands.
Thank you for this comment. I'm at the beginning of the video scrolling through the comments so I haven't heard loloverruled talk about it yet, but I've been looking for something to read to learn more about prison abolition. I read your comment, went to Google, looked up the book, and took a screenshot so I can go back and find a pdf. Thank you, comrade 😊
I heard Hakim recommend Bambu as a good left wing rapper, and I fucking love the guy now. Nice touch to see one of his album covers behind Yugops head there!
"Bail is/was created to..." is < relevant & < defensible than "Bail is [now] _used_ to..."-52:41- regardless of consensus on original ideals, ethics, goals, et cetera. In my opinion. Great stuff though, otherwise! Seriously deserving of a substantially larger listenership. **edit: fixed timestamp link time; streamlined text to fit as much as possible into space before "read more..." to maximize chances of being read by people scrolling through comments
The composer's name's Sam Kužel, u can him up on yt. His other socials are also linked in his about me page but he hasn't released the intro song on any platform yet afaik
yeah, it’s true that police are inefficient and barely catch actual terrible criminals like serial killers, domestic abusers, pedophiles, and rapists (only 1% of rapists actually get convicted) but i never hear a better alternative from abolitionists about a replacement for police besides community policing, when so often communities and families defend abusers because of their reputation in the community. many women including myself feel alienated from the abolitionist movement
I hear you. It's definitely a complicated issue. I don't think prison abolition itself is necessarily the right move because there's always going to be that small minority of people that do very Bad things and simply put we have to put them somewhere for other people's safety. However I do think we can and should reduce the prison system by a huge amount. As for policing as in the aggressive occupation of our streets I'm dead set against that for all kinds of reasons. However I don't see an alternative to maintaining police stations just like we have fire stations in order to provide emergency service and a place for people to report alleged crimes for investigation. So that's where I'm at with it. One could say I'm a prison minimalist not an abolitionist. I also want our prison to be humane so that bad behavior can actually be corrected in people not just postponed to a later date when inmate XYZ is released. No system is perfect of course and I'm sure not every human being can be rehabilitated but I believe most can and at the least we should certainly give everyone that opportunity. At least then the State can say they've done its job, they've tried to help in legitimate and sufficient ways and gave so-called offenders a viable alternative to what they were doing before.
And you're dead right abusers should never be defended and for too long they've gotten away with their crimes because their shitty families have been the ones to defend them because of their public reputations or just because. All abusers and predators should be held accountable and should have to pay a price for the choices they made. As far as I'm concerned sexual predators are some of the worst scum out there. They know exactly what they're doing and they know that it's wrong and they do it anyways. Those crimes should never go unpunished. Same for child abusers and anyone who willfully commits violence against another person who cannot defend themselves.
@@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs i agree with you about prison minimalism. there are so many people in prison for non violent crimes. we need less prison especially for women because women are usually in prison for fighting back against their attacker or abuser, but i still think there should be some form of accountability or punishment. maybe instead of police they can have social workers or psychiatrists come to the scene with police as backup. i don’t believe in rehabilitating pedophiles and rapists though. they prove time and time again that they reoffend and they know what they’re doing. the only way they could be stopped is locked away from larger society. as women we are more likely to have been SAed or know someone who has been, and the perpetrators enjoy that power trip. we are also more likely to be abused as children. leftists really need to take this into account if they want women to not feel alienated
@@bastetowl3258 yes I agree with you 100%. My principles for social safety are: -minimal detention only when necessary, but sufficient to keep genuine threats secured -humane conditions while detained for everyone -armed response ONLY if necessary; all other times use a CCR (community care rep) aka social worker -court reforms, legal reform, constitutional reform Seems simple enough. The journey to get there may be very long but laying out the details is the first step.
I won't go so far as to say we shouldn't have any prisons at all I won't call myself a prison abolitionist, just for the simple fact of there are some legit evildoers that need to have a place to be held when they're caught and held accountable for whatever their actual crime is, but we in the US definitely need to undo about a good 90-95% of this prison industrial complex cuz it is just absolutely unnecessary and about as destructive and harmful as you'd expect. Not to mention the conditions of most state prisons in this country are deplorable. Some federal ones too. The overcrowding at some of them is at 2 to 3 times their initial capacity. If anyone wants to be shocked and enraged watch the related video on empire files by abby martin that discusses some of the issues we face with this incredibly anti-life intentionally barbaric system these savages in high public office have created for us. A good friend of mine lost 18 years to an absolutely immoral law that was passed in the state of California in 1996 and he's far from the only one that was caught up in its long evil dragnet. Still on the books by the way. I don't know if they're still using it to steal decades out of people's lives over nothing but the fact that it has yet to be abolished in this state as well as the others that it's clones exist in, is really a mind blow to me. I wouldn't put anything past these sociopaths who get elected but I'm surprised more human rights groups and more Justice coalitions haven't tried to get it overturned by forcing it up through the higher courts. Then again maybe they have and they failed I don't yet know. My contempt for the amoral people who get elected here is only exceeded by my contempt for the many amoral people (imo) who seem to ascend to judgeships and prosecutorships. Not saying there should be no laws and no consequences whatsoever but the US always seems to take the sadism of a system to its extreme conclusion and I'm just tired of it. I see no reason why detention facility shouldn't be humane, rehabilitative and helpful. You can still serve time and receive consequences without being treated like an animal and intentionally harmed or neglected. Don't get me wrong, there are a few evil people that I'll admit probably deserve to suffer a whole hell of a lot, but when we allow that attitude to be the common standard that applies to every inmate even those that are in for relatively minor offenses then we're just justifying abuse and cruelty and that's wrong. Unfortunately the natural barbarism that seems to be so much in the water here that chiefly affects those with great power along with those in the public who blindly follow them, clearly results in this being a foreign concept to them.
That's partly why people use abolition. It of course will be coopted, as Foucault would say, but the point that it's not possible to make it palatable is why it's a good idea, at least for me. Don't want centrists and right ghouls to make it more a systemic implementation.
@@joeiechristiansantana9641 Others can see it I'm guessing? It says 4 replies but only displays three. After this it will be 5 total replies, only 4 showing up to me.
_”Hi, I’m Alex Loloverruledman. Did you know that you have rights? The Communist Manifesto says you do. And so do I”_
Better Call Alex Loloverruledman
JT has officially reached prestige Leftist status
So strange hearing that music right away rather than after 5+ minutes of inane banter. Give the hogs what they want dammit.
I just don't know if I can't go on without a weekly story about fondling old man balls
@Mara Bumbuc but I need hakim ball based content
Hear hear! More inane banter dammit!
@@JFKdied2 we need more hakim balls stories.
I'm glad you mentioned the problem with hyper individualism. My first big step toward radicalization was taking a sociology class and learning that just maybe, people are (at least somewhat) a product of their environment. And that revelation kinda floored me. Cause as soon as I saw that, the world started to make more sense. I finally had a proper framework with which to understand the world and that's what so many Americans lack. They see only from their own eyes, and totally miss the big picture.
its all about keeping up the facade that poor americans are just temporarily inconvenienced millionaires
The book "Dialectical and historical materialism" by Stalin does a great job explaining how people are affected by their environment and vis versa.
ua-cam.com/video/3HckrV5UCSE/v-deo.html
let me guess you are somewhat stupid? im flabbergasted by the obv. stuff american found now. lol
Yall should have a episode with TheFinnishBolshevik.
Right?? I know they get that suggestion all the time but dude FinBol has been doing ML stuff for just as long as the original first wave of "left tube" types. Like 6-7yrs ago.
And bad empanada
Both BadEmpanada and TheFinnishBolshevik (as well as AzureScapegoat, MarxistPaul, Halim Alrah, and SpookyScarySocialist) would be great guests to talk about the socialist movements in their respective locations (Latin America, Scandinavia, Ireland, Middle East, and North America).
finbol discord logs
@@Ajente02 Bad Empanada is Aussie
Communist Saul Goodman
_"My boss accused me of time stealing! I better call Communist Saul!"_
@@deptusmechanikus7362 Communist Saul would help you sue the boss for stealing your surplus value.
He chose to stay with Kim in this timeline
I hope you guys become bigger than joe rogan.
Inshallah
One day
@@bullymaguire1087 it’ll happen
Here's the highlight of my whole week.
I literally listened to it an hour after it came out 😂
Great listen as a summary having just finished reading "Are Prisons Obsolete" by Angela Davis that loloverruled mentions and echos a lot of the same tidbits from. Especially the part about how the emergence of prisons directly corresponds to the Enlightenment's individualistic ideas, and hence penitentiary came to be a reform of capital/corporal punishment because taking away the newly 'inalienable' rights could now be a form of punishment. Furthermore Davis talks about how at this time of original institution, prisons only applied to men: since women were still excluded from these same newly endowed rights, they were still largely subject to corporal punishment but in the domestic realm by their husbands.
Thank you for this comment. I'm at the beginning of the video scrolling through the comments so I haven't heard loloverruled talk about it yet, but I've been looking for something to read to learn more about prison abolition. I read your comment, went to Google, looked up the book, and took a screenshot so I can go back and find a pdf. Thank you, comrade 😊
I once again get to scratch my deprogram itch!
Absolutely fantastic conversation. I think he should be a regular consultant!
Martin Luther King once said "I have a dream" and one of my dreams is to open a private prison. /s
Best english speaking rad left show. Sounds so fun chatting with you dudes and getting friendly burned
Absolutely Amazing Episode Comrades!! Helped me with something thats been on my mind so Thanks.
It's here boys, sneaked out of the gulag just to listen to this.
I miss Hakim; is there some major public health emergency going on in Iraq?
Oh buddy.
brother there is always a major public health emergency going on in iraq
With that video, perhaps you could try making the title "The CIA are noble defenders of democracy". Surely they couldn't complain about that?
lets go!!!! my favorite propogandists are at it again! keep it up boys
NFT, musk name yup we found a degenerate
This was a really good episode. The guest was great.
I heard Hakim recommend Bambu as a good left wing rapper, and I fucking love the guy now. Nice touch to see one of his album covers behind Yugops head there!
Yay! New episode!
I genuinely wanna know what bs the government has about J.T. in that bigger FOIA paperwork 😂 I imagine some of that stuff would be comedic
There is an fascinating rev left radio episode that talks about the brutality of prisons told from comrade inmate
Thanks for that segment at the end, I'm prison abolition pilled now
great ep
"Bail is/was created to..." is < relevant & < defensible than "Bail is [now] _used_ to..."-52:41- regardless of consensus on original ideals, ethics, goals, et cetera. In my opinion.
Great stuff though, otherwise! Seriously deserving of a substantially larger listenership.
**edit: fixed timestamp link time; streamlined text to fit as much as possible into space before "read more..." to maximize chances of being read by people scrolling through comments
Yay! I am he to be programmed by the smartest guys on the internet's!
Fuck yeah, love loloverruled
no hakim again 😢
Too busy fondling old men's balls (for medical reasons, of course).
Winter is the best ❄ 😍
Love these kids 💚
Communism
will win!
@@Dysfunctionality15 inshallah
Commie Goodman 🇺🇲🦅🔥🔥
Love yall
I miss comrade Bay Area 415.
I just watched that cia video recently and I got 2 separate warnings I had 2 accept b4 watching
AGGGGGHHHH LOL OVERRULED????
What's the Deprogram's music called? Can the musician/s be SoundClouded (or whatever)?
I think they mentioned in w previous stream that it's original.
@@CripplingDuality they also said they'll release the full version eventually.
I'm still waiting
The composer's name's Sam Kužel, u can him up on yt. His other socials are also linked in his about me page but he hasn't released the intro song on any platform yet afaik
Quick question to thé deprogram : how do you chose your guests ?
1:05:25 who is that? I can't make out the name to look him up
Alec Karakatsanis :)
@@hoagielamp6543 Thanking ye muchly :)
yeah, it’s true that police are inefficient and barely catch actual terrible criminals like serial killers, domestic abusers, pedophiles, and rapists (only 1% of rapists actually get convicted) but i never hear a better alternative from abolitionists about a replacement for police besides community policing, when so often communities and families defend abusers because of their reputation in the community. many women including myself feel alienated from the abolitionist movement
I hear you. It's definitely a complicated issue. I don't think prison abolition itself is necessarily the right move because there's always going to be that small minority of people that do very Bad things and simply put we have to put them somewhere for other people's safety. However I do think we can and should reduce the prison system by a huge amount. As for policing as in the aggressive occupation of our streets I'm dead set against that for all kinds of reasons. However I don't see an alternative to maintaining police stations just like we have fire stations in order to provide emergency service and a place for people to report alleged crimes for investigation. So that's where I'm at with it.
One could say I'm a prison minimalist not an abolitionist. I also want our prison to be humane so that bad behavior can actually be corrected in people not just postponed to a later date when inmate XYZ is released. No system is perfect of course and I'm sure not every human being can be rehabilitated but I believe most can and at the least we should certainly give everyone that opportunity. At least then the State can say they've done its job, they've tried to help in legitimate and sufficient ways and gave so-called offenders a viable alternative to what they were doing before.
And you're dead right abusers should never be defended and for too long they've gotten away with their crimes because their shitty families have been the ones to defend them because of their public reputations or just because. All abusers and predators should be held accountable and should have to pay a price for the choices they made. As far as I'm concerned sexual predators are some of the worst scum out there. They know exactly what they're doing and they know that it's wrong and they do it anyways. Those crimes should never go unpunished. Same for child abusers and anyone who willfully commits violence against another person who cannot defend themselves.
What's the source on the 1% stat? I know it is low, but it being that low is a little too crazy
@@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs i agree with you about prison minimalism. there are so many people in prison for non violent crimes. we need less prison especially for women because women are usually in prison for fighting back against their attacker or abuser, but i still think there should be some form of accountability or punishment. maybe instead of police they can have social workers or psychiatrists come to the scene with police as backup. i don’t believe in rehabilitating pedophiles and rapists though. they prove time and time again that they reoffend and they know what they’re doing. the only way they could be stopped is locked away from larger society. as women we are more likely to have been SAed or know someone who has been, and the perpetrators enjoy that power trip. we are also more likely to be abused as children. leftists really need to take this into account if they want women to not feel alienated
@@bastetowl3258 yes I agree with you 100%.
My principles for social safety are:
-minimal detention only when necessary, but sufficient to keep genuine threats secured
-humane conditions while detained for everyone
-armed response ONLY if necessary; all other times use a CCR (community care rep) aka social worker
-court reforms, legal reform, constitutional reform
Seems simple enough. The journey to get there may be very long but laying out the details is the first step.
No way
I won't go so far as to say we shouldn't have any prisons at all I won't call myself a prison abolitionist, just for the simple fact of there are some legit evildoers that need to have a place to be held when they're caught and held accountable for whatever their actual crime is, but we in the US definitely need to undo about a good 90-95% of this prison industrial complex cuz it is just absolutely unnecessary and about as destructive and harmful as you'd expect. Not to mention the conditions of most state prisons in this country are deplorable. Some federal ones too. The overcrowding at some of them is at 2 to 3 times their initial capacity. If anyone wants to be shocked and enraged watch the related video on empire files by abby martin that discusses some of the issues we face with this incredibly anti-life intentionally barbaric system these savages in high public office have created for us. A good friend of mine lost 18 years to an absolutely immoral law that was passed in the state of California in 1996 and he's far from the only one that was caught up in its long evil dragnet. Still on the books by the way. I don't know if they're still using it to steal decades out of people's lives over nothing but the fact that it has yet to be abolished in this state as well as the others that it's clones exist in, is really a mind blow to me. I wouldn't put anything past these sociopaths who get elected but I'm surprised more human rights groups and more Justice coalitions haven't tried to get it overturned by forcing it up through the higher courts. Then again maybe they have and they failed I don't yet know. My contempt for the amoral people who get elected here is only exceeded by my contempt for the many amoral people (imo) who seem to ascend to judgeships and prosecutorships.
Not saying there should be no laws and no consequences whatsoever but the US always seems to take the sadism of a system to its extreme conclusion and I'm just tired of it.
I see no reason why detention facility shouldn't be humane, rehabilitative and helpful. You can still serve time and receive consequences without being treated like an animal and intentionally harmed or neglected. Don't get me wrong, there are a few evil people that I'll admit probably deserve to suffer a whole hell of a lot, but when we allow that attitude to be the common standard that applies to every inmate even those that are in for relatively minor offenses then we're just justifying abuse and cruelty and that's wrong.
Unfortunately the natural barbarism that seems to be so much in the water here that chiefly affects those with great power along with those in the public who blindly follow them, clearly results in this being a foreign concept to them.
That's partly why people use abolition.
It of course will be coopted, as Foucault would say, but the point that it's not possible to make it palatable is why it's a good idea, at least for me. Don't want centrists and right ghouls to make it more a systemic implementation.
ua-cam.com/video/-EtoQoZm8mc/v-deo.html
@@joeiechristiansantana9641 did you also reply first? Because I can't see that one for some reason
@@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs Yes, but eh, I probably said something banned there.
@@joeiechristiansantana9641
Others can see it I'm guessing? It says 4 replies but only displays three.
After this it will be 5 total replies, only 4 showing up to me.
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@@supernsansa yes
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