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22LR CZ 457 PRECISION BARREL HEAD TO HEAD
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- Today we pit the two most popular drop in barrels for the 22lr CZ 457 head to head. We shoot these at 100 yards on paper for groups with three different lots of Eley Match.
Worst lot is removed from averages but the other two count.
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Everyone needs to hit the like button it will let UA-cam know how much all his hard work means to all of us thank you
Thanks Mark
Nice comparison, would like to see you also through in the stock CZ MTR barrel in this comparison. As always great shooting and lekker to watch. After market barrels is not always available in the rest of the world. Keep going we really like your stuff.
That is coming
I like the camera view of the targets better than the scope view. As always great video. I would like to see how the MTR barrel stacks up.
Me too
Well send the check to..... lmao. Just messing around. That test is coming
Great video Buddy , killer editing
Thanks brother
Good comparison, Josh. Both shooters for sure. Im loving my Lilja barrel.
They both did really well
Love your set up and expert shooting. I wish I was your age again and shooting at your level.
Great video you convinced me to stick to my factory 24"
Cz lux barrel.
Always enjoy your content. Keep up the great work!
Using the your performance results certainly helps me to understand what I witness with my performance results. Thank you.
Great stuff as always... still amazes me how finnicky the LR is when lot numbers make a fair difference at 100yds
Always enjoy these head-to-head videos. It really helps me to see what is possible and what isn't so possible.
Keep the videos coming!
I'll vote again today (Sunday 30th)
Thanks kent
Great work as always, your videos are a welcome break from work.
Thanks
Hey Josh!! That’s a good idea to have both barrels, Maybe the one would perform better than the other weather wise and Lott wise. Best off both worlds..
your videos makes a lot of sense!!
Thanks Brother 👊🏻
Thanks
Your videos are becoming more informative and meaningful, and editing is now level pro. Look at the videos from the beginning and you will see how much you have progressed in everything. Keep it up!
Thanks, yeah I try not to watch my first videos lol
@@PursuitofAccuracy 😅
@@PursuitofAccuracy 😂🤣 Like anything we do it only gets better with time.👏🏻
I've been shooting in the cold the past couple of months. What has helped me is keeping the ammo a bit warm. I keep mine in sorted ammo boxes with hand warmer packets on top of the ammo.
My temps average 32 degrees.
My rifle does not like match at all. The rim thickness and the lube in the cold sticks in the chamber. Rws Rifle match shoots much better in the cold. Lube is similar to CenterX.
Interesting video.
Awesome. I actually have had very few issues in the cold with the match but i know what you mean about the cold and the lube
Wow! That's some good shooting at 100 in the cold. I was hung up on Bartlein chambering in a Benz chamber, but I guess they know what they are doing. The Lilja showed less lot sensitivity. But all in all too close to call. $100 less gives my nod to the Lilja. But I too would like to see the MTR barrel. with the same lot testing.
Yeah interesting results. Will be testing the mtr very soon......just need to pick its opponent
@@PursuitofAccuracy lija barrel seems to be the least fussy from your test. Run them both with Eley match. Great videos I’ve watched them from the start. They helped me build my first rifle original 457 synthetic now completely decked out with the Mtr barrel in a MDT chassis can’t wait for the cold to break so we can get back out and run it over the chrono. SD on Eley is crazy compared SK plus or SK match. We got the same results from the Tika and CZ with Eley. Rim fire is way more of a challenge than center fire because can’t control the quality of the ammunition. Keep them coming!!
Josh, nice barrel review the only thing missing was the factory MTR........
Its coming
It would be interesting to redo a test like this at some point where you swap the barrels on these two chassis to see how much the results are barrels related vs all the other variables
One you declare a winner setup from this series it would be cool to do a vs your Varmint MTR with its best lot against the winner with its best lot
Good shooting and comparison. I would pay big $$ to see what the stock CZ 20” MTR barrel would do.
If you’re willing to pay big money to see what it will do then why not go buy one and find out? Keep us posted
Yes
i think there is a video about that right in this channel
Add the MTR barrel!
I do have one but I’m not as good a shoot as Josh. So would like to see his head to head results
Thanks for the info on different barrels. I'm looking at building another 457 and all of your testing sure helps me with which way to go.
Thanks
Be careful ordering direct from Bartlein. Their customer service is terrible. I ordered one from them. It was damaged and they accused me of doing it and then wanted me to pay to have it fixed. It is a nice scam them have going on. Unless you are a big name shooter like Josh they don’t care about your business. You might have better chances ordering from 419 if you would rather have one, but Lilja performance is way better and their customer service is definitely better. You actually get replies from the owners with Lilja.
The pursuit of accuracy ….. it can be a mystery. Keep up the good videos Sir .
Thanks
Josh, you're the man!! I too would like to see how the factory MTR barrel does with its favorite lot of ammo. Hey friends, don't forget to vote at the Gundies..
Thanks Terry! That test is coming
My Lilja in my 457 seems to love everything i run through it...
Thanks for the great videosJosh. Interesting. Informative. And entertaining. 👍 would like to see a video on techniques. Triggers. Grip. Breathing. For us novices. Cheers 👍
Video editing on this was pretty cool. Don’t think I’ve seen anything like it. I about lost it when the orange neon was tracing the ares. Great job!
Haha thanks
Great work as always Josh. Would love to see the same test using CZ 20inch MTR barrel to compare with this test.
Its in the queue
It should be mentioned that the Bartlein is a Cut rifled Barrel and Lilja is a Button Rifled Barrel. In F Class rifles i prefer to use Cut rifled barrels and that's pretty much the norm. As far as Button Rifled Barrels go i don't think you can go wrong with either a Lilja or Benchmark and Lilja barrels have the best hand lap and polish i have ever seen. Button rifled barrels have to be stress relieved after being rifled because of the stress of pulling or pushing a button bown the barrel to create the rifling and there is no stress to the barrel while being Cut rifled. I would like to see maybe the same test after the barrels were cryo-treated to see if there were any change to either one. So, you were actually testing more than you thought were. Thanks for your hard work.
Awesome and thanks for the info Mark!
Interesting video
I picked up two boxes of the eley match to try out. So far RWS has performed the best for me in my Vudoo.
Rws r50 is really good ammo
Thank you for video. I am trying to decide which barrel and would like to see Lilja compared to CZ457 match at 100yds as they are the options here. I know this was for aftermarket barrels - non the less like to have seen CZ barrel comparism. Hopefully next time.
In the works sir
Great shooting! Love watching! God bless!
Great job Josh... thanks
I just shot my rifles favorite lot of eley match out of my Douglas barrel Time Precision BR rifle. It was 30 deg but 6 groups averaged .64.i was surprised it held up in the cold.I'll be out tomorrow again and see what I can do in my 40x and Martini MK2
Awesome man
Is that the 1:14 twist Douglas?
@@Jeff-mv4yy it's 1-16.i have another Schuetzen rifle with the same barrel that also shoots very well . I have only shot groups out to 200 yd though with both of them.
@@leadisgood 200 is as far as I can go. Can I ask who fit your Douglas barrel? Did it come from Time precision with the Douglas? I've been thinking about the Douglas 1:14 for my CZ 457, I just don't know where to take it to get the barrel fit and chamber headspaced .
@@Jeff-mv4yy Gorham built it.
From Killough shooting sports.
Time action no longer available.
It's awkward to use and there are better out there
I am not an Eley fan. I have a 455 action with a match chamber Benchmark 2 grove barrel and a John Langley 1.5 oz trigger benchrest rifle that absolutely hates any Eley I have ever fed it, including their black box match AND their Tenex ammo. However feed it some Lapua Midas Plus or Federal Ultramatch, and you’re looking at consistent .300 to .450 at 100 years on a calm day. The best Eley did was .682.
Most excellent comparison Josh 👍
Thank you
Great presentation 👍
Looking forward to seeing more head to heads with up north air gunner, I’m a huge fx impact m3 fan but its just not on this level yet. Lovely setups and some top
Shooting 👍
Thanks Sam
I want all 22 caliber lovers to raise there guns tomorrow. This day will. Only come 1 time in your lives. 2/2/22. YEAH BOY!!!!
Nice
BTW my Bergara does not like any Eley. It loves Center-X and SK Biathlon. The Biathlon works very well in cold weather. Have no been able to find out anything about it's chamber other than it head spaces perfectly. I was disappointed initially with it's accuracy, but the steel barrel finally broke in. I was going to fit a Shilen Ratchet. No need now as it shoots in the low 2's at 50. 100 yds = 1/2 moa groups.
Thats awesome
Good shooting thanks for the barrel comparison.
Thanks
Great comparison, I'm currently using an ibi that shoots really well but was considering the Lilja for a little more weight, guess ill be looking at the bartlein as well, thanks for the great vids!
Thanks
Great video, keep up the good work.
Match barrel vs. non-match barrel, and both shot really well. Looks like a rematch to seal the deal…lol. Oh, and then throw the FX in the mix.🤦🏼
Lol
that fist edit was smooth lol
Thanks. Everyone now and again I like to geek out on the editing lol
Nice video. Would be interesting to have a wind meter in the video with the shots on target video to see wind impact on the groups. Target #19 & #20 on Bartlein card looks like RT to LFT wind causing bullet jump up.
We have a IBI barrel on the way for a CZ 455.. can’t wait to test it
Heck yeah
Great stuff pretty darn good shooting
Thank you sir
Interesting outcome was banking on Lilja out in front by a good bit. Might be interesting to re compare after finding each preferred lot I know more testing blah blah blah but that is the pursuit of accuracy. Great vid mate now get rid of the scruff and get to school.
Haha thanks
I’d take the Lija because of being able to set headspace
Very good video josh, 👍
Great video Josh! If you compared these to a stock CZ barrel in similar length and chamber, are there measurable improvements?
Great question! That interests me too.
Looks like there is a lot of interest in it.
Will see if I can get the stock mtr barrel tested
In addition to the comparison of the base line 100m groups, I would love to see a comparison at 200 or 300m
Time for a trip to the range to get the data on the stock barrel i have .. prefit barrel will happen shortly after it arrives
And I would like to see a comparison of factory CZ barrels, heavy profile and standard/light, which goes to the basic Synthetic version, for example. Of course, if there are conditions and opportunities for something like that. 🤓
Josh, as you can see, you don't have to worry about topics for future videos. 😂
@@ledeni012 topics no, ammo yes lol
Try a Lothar Walther barrel for the CZ.BTW Cold temps really affect groups. I always heat up my ammo if I am trying to shoot groups in cold temps.
It's interesting that they call it Lilja because the name is Finnish and they pronounce it Lee L-yuh. J is often pronounce as a Yuh in those countries.
I am honestly looking better and better with my christensen arms. it shoots better then I can with cci standard velocity
Great video! Thanks
Thanks
Great video! As long as we're all asking for comparisons, I'd like to see a comparison of the CZ fluted 20" MTR barrel (long range precision model) versus the Unfluted CZ MTR barrel. I wonder if the fluting makes the barrel more temperature sensitive.
That model is discontinued
@@PursuitofAccuracy Which one?
👍🏻 I would be interested in seeing the MTR vs drop in vs stock barrel. I have been thinking about getting the new VPT MTR. It’s about $200 more than the old version, but that’s how much it would have cost to get the cheek riser added to the fixed stock anyway.
Thanks for this informative post. Very interested in which barrels work best in a CZ 457. Blessings
Hey Josh, I’d love to see if you could shrink those groups using a barrel tuner like EC Tuner. Great video. Thanks.
May play with a tuner this month
Thanks for the content. I’m not man enough to shoot in the cold. 😂
Lol
Great videos, how about something doing rim thickness and weight sorting. Just a thought you've done the rest . Keep it up
Would love to see how an MPA heavy match barrel performs for you when you get a chance to try some others. I've got a 24" one for benchrest and it performs just as well as the Lilja, it seems to be a barrel everyone online overlooks for some reason.
Will see about getting one
Very good test. I would like to see a rematch at 70 degrees. Not sure how much the Lilja barrel cost, i've seen you shoot awesome groups with the Lilja barrel, that's my choice for now. Now go have some hot chocolate and warm up.
Yeah they will be retested in warmer conditions for sure
Can you do a MTR barrel vs aftermarket barrel accuracy comparison?
Its in the queue
Good video, I’d like to see it with different ammo. I find SK standard plus shoots better in the cold.
Thats interesting because I found lapua and sk to fall off for me in cold weather
I would like to hear any feedback on the discontinued CZ 457 long range Precision model whether good or bad thanks for your help
The rifle is fine but the stock wasnt a good seller
Great video josh! I also would like to see how the 20 inch MTR barrel would compare to these.
That is coming
I've got a Precision Chassis MTR with a 16" barrel and shoot Eley Tenex, only modification to the rifle is a timney trigger and I'll get .55" groups at 100 yards with the stock 16" mtr barrel.
Hey Josh
Nice shooting Mate Very hard to see any real difference , considering the cold weather conditions all are better than good groups at 100 yards , it will be interesting to see the MTR barrel in the mix , I have been trying to find a Lilja barrel over here and can’t find a local supplier , I have tried contacting Lilja directly with no luck so I was wondering if with your contacts maybe you could put me on the right track , Thanks Mate Steve .
Im not sure if they ship internationally. They are pretty much selling out barrels once they are made
When i get back in late march if you dont have one i can help get you one as long as I can ship a barrel to Aus
Man your Davie Crocket 😂
Lol thanks, i think
30’s would be down right balmy here in Ohio! 😀
Love my my 22” IBI. Shoots just a tad over 1/2 MOA out to 125 so far. Stays clean, loves Center-X and SK Long Range. Hope you have a chance to test that as well someday.
Haha yeah 30 degrees is too cold for us here in NC
Love my 457 on a boyds at one with
Althon 5x34x50 glass. Hey do you sale any promo merch? Stickers etc.
Is there any chance you would do a short glass comparison between the ares etr, cronus and the tract toric.
It would be extremely hard to show on camera but will see what I can do
@@PursuitofAccuracy that would be awesome but i completely understand it would be hard to show on camera. What’s your favorite of the 3.
@@traviswoodmansee7857 the cronus and tract are close.
Cronus has a little more internal elevation travel
Tract has better glass
Both reticles are good, really depends what you value more.
The Filthy rich kids that win a lot of Tournaments here at my location buy anywhere from 3 to 5 Custom barrels for their rigs if the same make and they extensively test each, selects one, and sells the rest. These guys are precision bench rest shooters, i got some of their reject barrels and its very accurate. And i know people who get either their
Reject barrels or reject Guns and they have been either winning or performing very well on tounaments outside of these filthy rich kid’s tournament events. i guess what im trying to imply as what others have said before Is that no when it comes to the finer details, no 2 barrels are the same. Even if you have 2 identical premium barrels one is just going to be better than the other. If you are going to buy just one, a little luck and and a prayer Is involved to get a good barrel or rig.😁
Something I'm curious to see someone else test because 1 time and 2 money: barrel length.
Is a super short barrel as accurate or more accurate than a long barrel? I'm not sure what pistol you would use to test this without an SBR but I won't tell on you.
The benchrest guys have super long barrels relative to the caliber. Other guys deliberately cut barrels to 5" to keep cheap hv ammo subsonic in suppressed builds. If the bullets are going the same speed from the same twist rate barrels despite the barrels being different lengths, what's the point of the extra weight and increased potential to move the barrel with the bullet in it during the shot?
Guess it comes down to who has one in stock lol!
Yes exactly haha
Josh, great channel I’m loving it! Now what is the acutual difference between custom barrels and the standard CZ barrels?
Like most things its really just chamber and attention to overall detail of the machining
How about the proof cfw barrel 😁
I see that you shoot a lot of Eley. Have you ever thought about doing these videos with SK Rifle Match @ 50 yrds. My MTR shoots it really well. keep up the good work
I also shoot sk and lapua but the eley is my preferred ammo.
You can find lots of any ammo that will shoot well in nearly any rifle, trick is finding what you want to run because of the benefits of that ammo; availability, price, consistency, visibility etc
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thanks for the quick response. I did find a video of you shooting SK Rifle Match. I just think the reamers used on the CZ's respond really well to SK. But everyone must do what's good for them. I really enjoy your videos.
@@fredericktodd5789 thanks for watching. No wrong answers with ammo
Why does the bolt handle on the Lilja barrel's action jump up after every shot?
@@mikemcallister5287 it's under tension that's relieved by releasing the sear. It's pretty common
Awesome Clip. Wish you would have added a crono measurement. My Bartlein shot 50fps slower than the Lilja and changed the performance of a lot of rounds. Hope you redo the rest when it warms up. Add the FPS measurements and include the MTR. Maybe I missed it but what Lilja chamber did the barrel have, 2 or 3? Great video!
Its the lilja 3. Wow 50 fps is quite the difference. The lilja and bartlein shoot those lots around 1100 -1110 fps
Interesting that the 6182 lot was way left on both barrels/guns.
Yeah i thought so as well but ive seen poi shift like that with different ammo quite a lot
Hi, love the video's I was watching the video with the barrel change to a lilja. Where did you get that Torque wrench you used, I must have one. cheers mate
I believe i got it from a local lowes
I contacted Bartlein and I was told that they no longer are producing the CZ 457 Barrels ☹️
Thats a bummer
Great video Josh. I like the Lilja barrels, but I also like the Bartlein barrels. Just one thing, does the Bartlein barrel come with shims like the Lilja barrel?
No it does not
@@PursuitofAccuracy I wonder how well the stock mtr barrel would stack up against the Lilja and the Bartlein barrel? Since that is all I have right now, I need to shoot better than the stock barrel, before I can replace my barrel, with a Lilja.
Have you noticed the bolt handle moves as you fire a round?
Yes there is tension thats released by releasing the firing pin which lets it drop free. Its a normal occurence on most bolts
So the Bartlein with the Bentz chamber shot a bit better than the Lilja with the match chamber. I have been obsessing over whether to get a MTR, Match, or Bentz chambered barrel. Seems too close to call at least from these two barrels. Thanks.
Yeah. Id still lean to the match chamber
@@PursuitofAccuracy See my comment on the Lilja versus the CZ MTR. Now I'm really confused....
@@cacinaz8802 im always going to want a match chamber over a bentz chamber for a bolt gun.
For semi auto im going bentz.
Occassionally a bentz chambered barrel will outshoot a match chambered barrel but its not the norm
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thanks. Very helpful. It makes sense to go with a Bentz for a semi-auto because it helps prevent FTF (feed or eject) issues no doubt.
@@cacinaz8802 yes sir exactly
Good video Josh, it gives me a better idea where I am going to spend my investment
Awesome
Any chance unless I missed it of you doing a comparison of the targets you shot with the 100% stock factory rifles vs the fully upgraded rifles?
Im not sure that video ever was made. I was upgrading my cz as i went. Will try and get something like that done though
How about LW barrel? I preordered one and waited more than three month.
Josh I have to ask which barrel shot better between the lilja 419 and the 3 groove from lilja? I know they are both great barrels I’m wondering which one you like better 3 groove are 5?
I prefer the new lilja 3
IS 22" to long for a 10/22? Them CZ, they come like that besides the barrel or are the stocks aftermarket too? Heard of Lilja, the other Bartlein do they make it for a 10/22?
22" be fine for a 10/22
Hi Josh, what is your scope cant? I got an Atlas BT72 and a Area 419 Arca clamp. It’s a new rifle! I’m wanting to shoot longer distances now. I’m running 35 MOA of cant right now. I’m also shopping for a new scope. So I don’t have to guess on the scope mounts, I’m curious as to how you set up your Tract. If that’s secret sauce, I understand. Thanks
No secret sauce. Its a 50 moa rail which allows me to zero at 50 still.
I run low rings or the current mount is a 0 moa 1.27" height cantilever spuhr.
Hope that helps.
Also dont try to run a 50 moa rail unless your scope has 100+ moa internal travel
Whatever happened to the IBI Barrel?
Do you prefer a match chamber with a match barrel? Is it a must?
I got CZ 457 varmint I don’t think it comes with match chamber.
Its not necessary
Do you have to shim the bartlein barrel or is it just drop in?
💯
Wow this was a good video for dispelling what I thought was going to happen. I’m kind of blown away that the Bartlein with a looser chamber still shot with (and slightly more) the lilja. Any theory here for what’s driving this?
Barrel better on the Bartlein? Chamber tightness worth less emphasis than initially thought? Something else?
Was trying to get a lilja barrel for the next build…might have to reevaluate now if it means I get just as good of groups and don’t have to headspace the Bartlein.
Would you do a Cz sporter weight barrel like say an American or Synthetic? Also do you ever shoot with a suppressor?
I dont typically run any cans as ive seen them hurt accuracy.
Will see if I can find a sporter
I have looked on the F3R Machine web site and that looks like a 1.50″ height 34 mm one-piece cantilever scope mount, correct?
For the tract im using a spuhr mount currently to get a lower cantilever but yes f3r offers a 1.5" cantilever
I’m trying to figure out which CZ 457 to buy. I only have access to 200yd range maximum but mostly the range I will be at most often is 100yds. Can you offer any guidance on which model? Shooting paper and steel only no hunting. Thanks for any advice, Paul.
Honestly get the one that catches your eye the most. They are all great rifles
Can an unfired cartridge be ejected from the Bartlien?
Yes