A Timber Frame for Out of the Woods Using Sketchup part 1
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- We are now working on a timber frame design for Out of the Woods using Google Sketchup. This is the first video in a series that we will be doing while I am laid up from a bad fall while working on my own timber frame. There are many ways to do this kind of thing so if your way is different then that is just fine, all that matters is that the results are correct.
On a side note my brother in law started a Go Fund Me to help cover medical bills and bills while I am not able to work. This is new territory for me and I am not good at asking people for help as many of my regular viewers know from watching this channel for over a year. You are welcome to contribute if you so desire but please do not go without to help myself and my family.
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Wonder full to here you Mr. Jim I hope recovery is going well thank you for the design tips God Bless you and your Family.Till the next one
Very excited to see the rest of this series. Very cool to do it as a collaboration.
Hello Seth
Looks like a fun build!! You are doing a super job! We are Sketchup challenged, looking forward to following along! Thanks for sharing!!
Great to have you back brother, love seeing this sketch up video.
Haha... i knew you wouldn't wait too long. Went and found something to do! I like it, great idea. You will automatically answer a whole truckload of questions about timberframing with this series. Thanks for sharing
I can't sit around too long, I'll go nuts.
TheTradesmanChannel i knew it before u said it. You're not the only one!
May God keep and your family under His watch. Heal quickly and know we are all looking forward to your barn build
Thank you Vince
Great to see your still with us jim looking foward to the sketch u
Still here
Good morning! Very imformative, thanks for sharing. Have a great day! From Galveston Texas
Good morning Rodney.
Great!!! Thanks Jim for the series.
Hello Eduardo
Jim, good to see you back in the saddle again. This will be a interesting series. Easy to do when sitting down. This is probably better than do sudoku, keep the mind active. All the best my friend, heal quickly. God bless
Thank you Tom
Hi Professor Jim, a very explanatory video well done keep them coming
Thanks Doug
Great use of sketchup to illustrate the design process of a timber frame. I am sure it's not the same as working on your timber frame, but at least it keeps the brain engaged during your injury recovery.
It really helps.
good to see you still getting after it a idle mind is a wasted one.keep your self busy Jim while your healing up never to old to learn new things.hope all is going well with the leg and stuff. rember you get there buddy
We will get there. Only 9 short weeks before I can put weight on it again.
Good to have you back Jim. It's all part of the process, designing cutting, assembling, and finishing a project. This is the bonus material you find on your DVDs and Blu Ray disks... LoL. We'll get back to the feature when the time is right.
Have a good night Jim.
Have a good one Joe.
Hey Jim! Another great video! Thanks for sharing! Love your videos!
Good morning Donnell
Good to see you back at work. Perfect opportunity to learn some new skills.
Sure is.
Keep your chin up Jim. Hope that pain stops soon.
It will, I'm only 3.5 weeks into it.
Can’t keep this man down!
Super good information of how to design a timber frame, hope your leg is healing up allright and waiting to see you on the go again... Best wishes from Sweden...
Thank you. We will have quite a few more on design.
Time is never wasted if you learn stuff! ...... That is what I tell the Mrs anyway ;0)
I agree
Excellent video, Jim. I know you'd rather be building, but this is a perfect format for your page while you recover. I just purchased a lot 2 months ago and I'm in the planning stage of my own build, so this series will be particularly useful to me. I appreciate all the great information (and awesome inspiration) I've got from your videos. Can't wait for more. Thanks so much!
Thanks Jeff
What a perfect way to spend your recoup time. Couple it with getting about a bit for exercise and your golden. Look forward to viewing more. I like to knock out a decent shed size structure. This will be helpful. Thanks.
Hope it helps you out.
I have no doubt. There are few "Tradesmen's" work ethic/quality under adverse circumstances trusted. The "North Country Folks" can work. I believe I will have something to learn.
Well this is a jewel to find! Now that I've had to cancel my April trip to TimberFrame school, I have time to fill. What better than Sketchup tutorials! I like your "from the roof down" guidance; it's a different perspective, and helpful.
You need to know your roof loads to plan what will hold it up and so on, that's why I start from the top.
it doesn't snow where I live, and the rain, of course, runs right off. Does that mean there is no live load on the roof, only dead load?
Glad to hear from you again! Can I send a check? God Bless you & your family.
Becoming laid up has its advantages, sometimes. This will be an interesting series to watch, Jim, because now we get to see what is behind the curtain when it comes to how to make decisions on how to draw up a set of plans. Thanks for taking the time to do the work to make it possible. One thing I wish you might add is a dotted line for the outline of the tenons so we can see how far they are in the wall posts. Thanks again!!
We can do that.
looking forward to this series.
Good morning Jim
good morning brother
keep up your spirits, I enjoyed seeing you work with a computer, love to see you making plans for the future,
Thanks Lee. I keep wanting to call you Uncle Lee as I have an uncle named Lee Eggleston.
Jim, glad to see you’re keeping your mind busy.
I have to stay busy
TheTradesmanChannel It’s good to keep busy. Prevents your wife from dragging you back up on the timberframe and dropping ya down again🤓
She could do it too.
I love this! Can't wait for the next one.
Good morning
Great content Jim. Can't wait to see this evolve. This series is a great idea!!
Hello Craig. I finally have time for design work. How've you been?
Living the dream brother! I'll PM you on FB!
Good use of time.
Nice to see you busy.
If I don't stay busy my mind focuses on negative things. I'm one of those people who need to be very busy all the time.
I sure love the youtube community. You have been in my prayers for healing. I love that you are helping another youtuber while you heal. Take care.
Thank you. I try to help others when I can, you never know when it's your turn to need help.
I know all about that this November it will be 4 years since I fell 20 feet on to frozen ground. My pelvis exploded. A friend I had helped with horse training had a construction company. He came over and helped finish my roof. Would love to come help you. I am pretty sure I told you remind me of my late best friend. Well if I can break free from ranching long enough to make to the midwest. I would like to do just that.
I appreciate it, NY would be a long haul for you. This will heal. How are you doing with your injury? I bet after this long it still hurts at times.
I still feel the hardware. The hardest part for me was staying down. With the pain meds, I wanted to do more than I should. After I had one of the screws back out a quarter inch and the doc telling me I had one chance to walk right again I weaned myself off the meds and took it easier. I still took my chainsaw and walker and cut up firewood I had bunked up. My son and one of my best friends came over and cut all of it up so I didn't do that anymore. After 3 months my doctor said I could walk and go back to work. I asked him if I needed physical therapy, he said anyone who shoes horses doesn't need physical therapy so I went back to work. The first few horses were tough. It took 11 months before I could ride again. Other than when the weather changes or when it's really cold it doesn't bother me much. After the doctor released me I think mental determination helped the most. I don't think you will have a problem there.
Yep gunna love this!!!
Good morning Drew
Great days to you ! prayers
Morning Jim.... you'll be a SketchUp master by the time you're all healed up. Nice work.
Morning John...I might take up cross stitching too.
Hey Jim, you make me laugh sometimes! You have a good sense of humor. When I broke my arm, it happen to be the arm on my drawing hand side and I couldn't draw for a long time. So I tried to draw with my left hand, but never had the patience, nor the time to actually make it work. Before I knew it, I was healed up and drawing with my right hand again. Same thing is going to happen with your leg. You're doing things and taking up time with what you have until you are all healed again, and that's a good thing. If that means cross stitching, then so be it, you'll add another talent to the list! Though, I can't see you making a video about it.
There might be some cross stitching videos...maybe I'll even do a sponge bath video.
Yeah, you just might up your subscribers by doing that. Only thing is, they may not be the ones interested in timber framing!
TheTradesmanChannel
Quilting has a "log cabin" pattern...
Real glad to see that you are going after it! Good information, keep these type vids coming. God bless.
Thank you Tom.
Hi Jim,
This is a series that I will be following. Looking forward to seeing how it comes together.
Keep busy with what you can physically do. Before you know it you will be back in your shop
I can't wait.
Good morning Jim,
I downloaded sketch up years ago and didn't have much time or patience to learn it. I'm more use to professional CAD programs like AutoCad (I learned drafting on paper) Looks like sketch up has improved, might have to try my hand at it again and follow along on your series.
I did four years of drafting...all on paper too.
Great video. Right now is more of a brain over braun period. This was good. Really cool to see modern CAD tools used on a traditional building technique.
Thank you, we have plenty left to do.
Glad to see you are staying busy or as busy as you can using your talents 💚.
excellent explanation of the process. looking forward to the next steps of the planning process. thanks.
Good morning.
I have been following your progress on the shop for months. I am in process of starting a new small sugar house for our family. We have a lot of white pine and hemlock and poplar on our place that are at the stage they need to be harvested or they are going to become problems. I am planning on a building about 10'x14' because we have a small evaporator just for our family use. I am quite interested in your planning process on Sketchup. It looks like I might even be able to figure it out from the looks of it. By the way, still praying for your speedy recovery.
Thank you Robert. If you have the timber available go a little bigger, it never hurts and you'll thank yourself later.
I chose that size because of the specialty of the use of the place, our evaporator is a small 2'x5' one that handles about 150-200 taps. Plus it seemed to me to be a manageable size to work on. We have a small dairy goat herd and I am starting a meat goat herd as well. So we plan to build a bigger barn in the future (near future hopefully). I believe I have most of the timber needed for both projects, about 12-13 acres and 10 of it is wooded.
That is excellent. Sounds like you picked the perfect size then. You will really enjoy the timber framing. It gets into your soul.
hope your feeling much better jim
Getting better every day.
When the body needs rest and repair, the mind needs other ventures.
Good work. Nice comment that you can do 2D is Sketchup. You are correct that for many designs 3D is not worth all of the effort. You do loose the "Walk Thru" and Walk around. Thank You for your help.
We'll do the 3d of this one as soon as I learn it. Have a great morning.
I look forward to these videos jim. And to learning how to use sketch up. I purchased a cad program and havent had the time ro figure it out yet. This looks way less complex. Hope the pain level is low and you heal up good and proper. Like I said before don't rush it because it will cause problems later I know from experience.
Hey Paul, yesterday I had a doc appointment and the surgeon torture tested his work. If I could have kicked him I would have, still feeling it today.
Got some spare time on your hands you may as well exercise the mind it was very interesting to see how sketch up works I’ve been thinking about trying my hand at it also keep your spirits up before you know it you’ll be back at it
That's the idea, just trying to stay busy.
All good stuff Jim... Looking forward to the rest of the series and seeing Nathen's building progress. Best wishes for a speedy recovery buddy were all behind ya
Thanks Vinny.
Hi Jim. Great series. Look6forwzrd to it. If you have any influence with Nathan he may reconsider hemlock. I have been in a couple houses and boy do they check and move. You are right cut all at once and get assembled. Hope you are healing well.
Nathan has his timber already. White pine or Doug fir is my first choice.
Good Jim. I should have a plan somewhere besides my head but that's where mine is!
Mine too Tim, I never did this for my build.
TheTradesmanChannel might be a good exercise in the program (to get it printed out on paper for "art" on the shop wall as well).
Good video Jim keep them coming
Good morning Jay
I've done stuff like you're doing the hard way, w/ the cheap program, "Paint" that came w/ my new computer. I've done a lot of it by sketching on boards and legal pads. CAD programs can be good too. If you really want to get complicated you can do a side elevation, front and back elevation, top and bottom elevations. Also, quarter views and detail views ect. The drying time is not always 1" per year as you said because some years are hotter or wetter.
Great stuff Jimmy..you made this look easy..quick recovery bud..God's speed.
Thanks Frankie
this will be a good series, have tried sketch up before and never got the hang of it, thats what happens when your old. might try it again sometime
I'm just learning it.
After I retired from UPS I went back to college for 2 years and learned AUTO CAD, I was 57 at the time never to old to learn. Try again you can pick it up.
Nice one Jim. I enjoyed that. Some great tutorial videos on sketch up on UA-cam Jim that you may as well check out while you are recovering. Stop your head getting bored. Ask the best, Pete UK.
Good morning Pete
Jim: Your off to a good start. When you get used to the push/pull feature you will be able to extrude/stretch the surfaces in the third plane. I would start with the plan view and stretch the posts up to the required length. Now you have 3/D model of the posts. Then draw a girt in plan just outside the posts; in 3/D select the top and pull up 6". Extend the cut line of the tenon across; then select the small top of the tenon and push it down. Rotate the model and repeat on the bottom of the tenon. When complete on both ends make it a component and name it. You will only have to draw a common timber once then you can copy and move them into place as a component. I use a different program and have only smidgen more experience than you on sketch-up. But Mike Dillon and others could talk you through it on Skype. the old guy Bert
Thank you Bert. I'll get better at it.
I agree
What I’ve been needing. Wife and I are in the beginning stages, for planing a laundry room with a second full bathroom edition. Look forward to see how you do it.
Hi Jim, Sketchup skills coming right along. Good job. Michael
Thanks Michael, your mini cast making is pretty good too.
Always wanted to be a doctor, pay is better too!
They better be making big bucks for the cost of them!
Oh yeah, sticker shock when you see those ER bills. Might try to follow along to improve my SketchUp skills. Mk
Wow, that really helped me to understand what you have been saying through all of your previous videos. Looking forward to more.
Excellent.
Good use of your down time. Marrying old tech with new tech. I find Sketch up endlessly frustrating, probably because I don't use it much and I'm not accustomed to it, or any other design software. You seem to have a pretty good grip on it. Nice to see you looking forward!
I'm still learning, I have to figure out the 3d part.
Good to see you back again Jim. Are you going to give us a cross section of what your mortise and tendon look like
Going to cover every joint in the structure.
Great job of explaining and designing 💚Wyoming.
Thanks Don
Great design! Nathan is gonna like that. 👍🏻
He better
Just a reminder to work with free weights to keep your hands and arms in condition while your leg is mending.
Unless otherwise advised, keeping the good parts working leaves less to recondition when you're back up on both butt-kickers.
I keep a set by the bed. Makes a difference.
Very good, I've been there a time or six.
You sound like you have.
Or varying resistance bands.
Had those in the hospital
This is excellent. I had considered putting off doing my timber frame for another year, but this is making me itch to do it sooner. I look forward to seeing the next one. I hope you are healing ok and not in too much pain man!
Evening young man glad to see your keeping the grey matter going . I don't have a clue here don't have a computer or much experience on one apart from fixing cars but that's all,I'll have to ask what you are doing here and how but I'll follow along and see if it makes sense to this old git lol . Love to your good lady and the family take care buddy .dont forget if you want to chat it still stands 👴🏻🔨🔨👍
Thanks David. I'll drop you a line soon.
TheTradesmanChannel no worries if and when you feel like it
Glad to see you’re doing something cool JIM. Before I retired I worked with an architect in Los Angeles named Frank Geary. My title was virtual architect. We worked with a really high powered CAD system 3-D modeler called Catia. We also use the system called rhinoceros which is far less expensive and easier to use. I never use sketch up. After watching you here I think I’m going to download it because it sure looks quick and easy. I worked on A couple really cool projects One was called Disney concert hall in Los Angeles. Another cool one was Experience music Project in Seattle. I worked on a bunch more but those were a couple of my favoritess. They’re both on the Internet if you want to look.
That is neat.
So glad to see your back at it one way or another. -Will
Getting there, this one is boring...just not the same.
Jim, Do you think I could use Sketchup to design my truck bed camper blueprints? Im looking to add a 12" subfloor to my truck bed with hinged storage compartments and drawers. Or is this software more for structure drawings? Thanks -Will
You can use it for just about anything.
TheTradesmanChannel Awesome! Ill have to look into it - Will
It's free which is a help
I really need to figure out skethup, i always get frustrated with it and use my drafting board
Great job looking fwd to load calcs to see how that works
That will keep your brain exercised Fixed it lol good catch auto correct must have had some demons to get rid of
I need it Mike.
Surely not 'exorcised' otherwise you will need a 'Sky pilot' to exorcise you. If you need one of them I recommend you hide your moonshine and children ;-) when they visit. Devils are demons to deal to, absolutely hellish, prime suspect for me would be that 'COW'. Looks delicious. PS - I think Mike meant 'exercised'.
Donald MacRae thinking nearly the same thing, ha ha ha.
Thank you Thomas. Humor is a helpful thing in times as these, hopefully Jim gets a chuckle or two, now and then in the weeks to come.
Humor is the best remedy in all hard times.
Great stuff Jim, I'm getting flashbacks of structural engineering at uni, except we didnt have load calculators, just a pencil a butt load of paper and a building standard, kinda makes me wanna dust off fusion360 and have a play
Go for it Tim
Morning Jim.
Good morning Bob
Good morning Bob. The pain has been nasty the last few days so I've Bern quiet.
Sorry to hear that, I hope it gets better for you soon. It's understandable you've been quiet, just get some rest and focus on healing; we ain't going anywhere. Just wanted to touch base. I have no idea where my earlier post went. lol
Nice video , Jim. I'm glad you have something to keep your mind busy. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the series. Are those load calculators part of your drafting program or a separate app?
Seperate app, actually on a forum.
Ahh. The Forestry forum you've talked about?
Yessir
Just think, no hay cutting on 4th of July. Enjoy some iced tea and a shady lawn chair, maybe take in the parade.
There is that.
Ripper mate. Next.
Good morning
Jim, how hard/easy is sketch up to use/learn?
Not bad so far. I'll know better by the time we get to the end of this project.
Dear Jim,
I didn't expect this but am pleasantly surprised as this topic is most relevant to building construction plans. I've been looking here & there for something like this but sadly to no avail as I run Imacs only. Plenty for Microsoft based computers but nothing to my knowledge for Apple. Short of running Parallel with Linux, I am stumped (pun unintentional!). The other thing my feeble brain cannot cope with are Imperial measurements either & most books are equally published using almost exclusively Imperial. Any suggestions my dear friend??? Kind regards.
I'm sure you can get Sketchup for your Mac. It's a Google software that's free. It can do metric as well.
Yes there is SketchUp for Mac. Pricey = $700.00
Dear Jim,
Thank you very much for your courteous reply; just as Michael Kroeger said it's only a mere $695 only. I thought I had already consulted Google in the past as I do an extensive every so often for 3D software ( construction/building) & have never come across a free Mac version. I'll keep looking & see if there a Linux version available. Will let you know. Kind regards.
Dear Michael,
Thank you very much for keeping me informed. Indeed as you rightly said & I went onto their website; one needs to part exchange one's wife for the privilege of getting it. Too high a price for me; will look for some alternatives. Kind regards.
Dilip: A free one for Mac is called Blender. Pretty good, you might like it. M
By timberlocking you mean that theres housing and use screws at 45 angle or some kind of simpson thing?
Yes. Timberlocs are a special timber lag made for this kind of work.
Good stuff. Is the load calculator part of sketchup?
It is not. The one we will use is on The Forestry Forum.
Good morning Jim. Just checked my email and not sure what time it is in your part of the world. It's 13:37 here (near York) on Tuesday afternoon. The sun is out and I'm sat at my computer about to start some alterations to some drawings for a client. How's the leg, still painful? Or is it just that ache that never send to go away?
Pain is getting better everyday. Hopefully I'll be back at it by mid fall.
Hello!
Nice layout! Is Sketchup you use a free option or under subscription plan? Thank you!
Paul
This version is free as well as the Timber Framing extensions. The paid version is $600 but offers a lot.
TheTradesmanChannel Thank you! Appreciate! Gob bless you and your family!
Thank you Paul, have a good evening.
Hey Jim, heard you talking about hemlock in the video. Would the same advice go for White Oak? I'm working on a 3 year timeframe to cut/store and raise. Ideally, I'd like to make the cuts, stick it, store it in pole barn until raising? Do you think that would work, or do you thnk I should use a different wood like EWP or SYP? Thanks in advance.
Use the oak but invest in some big ratchet straps and bind your stacks with them to help keep them from moving on you. Also seal up the end grains, that will help a lot.
Do you mean actually assemble the bents and then bind them? Or just bind the stacks to help prevent twisting?
Just bind the stacks. Make sure to sticker vertically and horizontally though.
Yes sir. Hope you're feeling better. Just watched your... I fell through the hole hospital video. Horrible thought, but you should kinda' consider yourself lucky?
You’re too smart for me, I’m lost.
It'll come together
Have you seen or used the Timber Framing Extensions for SketchUp (extensions.sketchup.com/pl/content/timber-framing-extensions)? There's a bunch of timber framing specific features and it allows you to generate really nice shop drawings. They were developed by Clark Bremer and are free. I've been playing around with them myself doing some design work on personal projects. There's also a nice instruction pamphlet available from the Timber Framers Guild - I think it costs $20 or so, but it's basically a donation to the guild.
I will check that out, thank you for the information.
Is the load calculator a website?
Yes, it is on a website and I will show it on the next one.
Does Nathan know if it's eastern or western hemlock?
Eastern
What do you mean by "timber locked them?"
Timberlocs are a special timber lag designed for log and timber work.
That's what I thought I remembered but it's been years since I came across their website. Why did you choose to use timberlocs? Just added insurance? Or as a way to use slightly smaller timbers?
Used them where I wasn't able to use tenons. They hold very well.
what version of Sketchup is this
2017
btw I'm Troutbum58
Ok cool. Another Jim, the world needs more of us. You been on any long rides lately?