Reverse Engineering the John Coltrane Pentatonic
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- Today we take a detailed exploration - of what chord possibilities we can blend with the John Coltrane Pentatonic
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These are great exercises, particularly if you buy the PDF (about the price of a good cup of coffee, if you can find such a thing!) I found that it helps to think of the interval structure of the scale. Remember that Minor pentatonic (or the relative major pentatonic) can be constructed as a sequence of fourths round the cycle. For example, D minor pentatonic starting from the A, is A, D, G, C, F - reordered becomes the familiar D, F, G, A, C i.e. 1, b3, 4, 5, b7. In this scale, each interval is a perfect fourth.
But what about the Coltrane pentatonic? If you take D minor Coltrane, the notes are D, E, F, A, B - starting from the F, the intervals are augmented fourth (tritone), then perfect fourths, i.e. F, B, E, A, D with a minor third D to F to return you to F. So what? Well this means that you can use your knowledge of the cycle of fourths to play in a Coltrane pentatonic, remembering that going up from F is a tritone (to B) and down from F is a minor third (to D). This interval structure remains the same in any key! If you look at some of the great patterns that Nick provides in his pdf, you can generate them by using this knowledge of fourths rather than trying to think of them as digital patterns, as many people have been taught. Just find the minor third in the key e.g. G in the key of E minor Pentatonic, then every other fourth interval is perfect except the movement from G. Descending patterns use cycle of fifths. Try it on a zig-zag pattern. This way instead of trying to memorise patterns, use your knowledge of intervals to generate multiple patterns, starting from the ones provided by Nick. And once again, this works in any key!
Happy improvising!
Using this pentatonic on 'Round Midnight is a great way to get into the sounds. The song is a real melodic minor playground.
i think you are my favorite channel!you give a fresh perspective on concepts that people suspected were out there but no one could exhibit like you do thank you!
At about 5.10 you say that A#(Bb) is the Root ... but in fact it is the major 3rd of the F#7 chord
Thanks, Jazz Duets! I LOVE this topic!!!!!!! Sounds so otherworldly...
Another great tutorial, loving this channel everyday...
First. To the best music education channel on UA-cam.
Great video! Your channel is helping me a lot!
Stunningly beautiful !
Gracias Nick, siempre estimulando el intelecto.
that D7#9+5 is terrific
I didn’t know you’re in Argentina! Cool!
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What a great video and lesson, thx a lot!
Error! 5.06 I should have said say F# is the ROOT of F#7
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Buenísimo el canal man, me gustó el video de las escalas menores y como aplicarlas. Saludos desde Pergamino.
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Another one from Argentina here, but living in Los Angeles. It is good to see we all practice with a termo and mate on our side. Your videos are fantastic. May you explain more in detail how you find the different chords. I still do not understand how you arrive to the first group of chords on the Coltrane C minor Pentatonic
Coltrane pentatonic is a japanese scale or even a Maj7#11 chord.
If you take the 6 grade as the root.
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Bro! you are drinking Mate like me every morning practicing with your videos..greetings from Berlin from an Argentinian
nice hapas guitar you've got xD dude no way that I found you random at a jazz video
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Excelente 👍 video muy didáctico y educativo, gracias
Saludos mr. Nick!.
Quiero felicitarte por tus videos. Me parecen excelentes. En cuanto a la superposición de estructuras sobre diferentes situaciones armónicas me parece más simple pensarlo al revés, es decir dejar el bajo fijo, y mover la superestructura (en este caso la pentatonica de Coltrane). Eso facilita la comprensión de fórmulas para la utilización posterior del elemento. Por ej: para un Fmaj7, utilizamos la pentatonica en cuestión desde el VI grado. O para un Fm7b5 desde el bIII.
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Hola! Vivís en Córdoba, Argentina? Amo tus videos, muchas gracias !
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A lot people hear this but really dont know where this fits in a real musical setting. One way to approach is to think in terms of re-harmonizing the dominant chord. In other words, the D minor pentatonic scale naturally fits over G7 (or G9 or G13). Since I play a chord instrument, I would often play a Dmi7, Bmi7b5 or Fma7b5, over the G7. These chords are relativistic because they contain the same notes. If you platy these chords in a particular sequence it gives movement to that basic dominant chord (G7). Again this is one example and a basic one at that. Play guitar I can visualize all this from playing chord forms an chord solos.. (Wes Montgomery is certainly one the great masters of this technique.)
Master muchas gracias por la data .
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Nick ___, Luv it ! ( preferring the Scale degrees / rather than the 'Tabs, which, after following, are easily forgotten. 'Scale degrees' can be put anywhere.) lol
Yep! Notes are more important than where you stick your fingers to get then.
Im from Argentina too
I said it, and I repeat it: best music tutorial channel in the whole youtube. Gracias totales
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I imagine that DEFAB is a cousin of the standard Pentatonic Twins: Major and Minor.
EFGBC, ABCEF, and BCDFG also have their own charming melodic appeal😊
THIS makes the Pentatonic expansion Excercises Pdf + Playalongs come into my brain and ears and piano. THANKS. Going backward can really show the way, for me.
PLUS the fact that WISE ONE is so wonderful.
Bflat on Fsharp altered is the third not the root,right?
@W 9797 oops Thanks. Don't know how that happened!
5:06 Bb is the root? or the 3rd of F#7alt?
Hi Nick, are you living in Buenos Aires?
amazing. not enough hours in a day,!!!
Jazz duets vos vivís en Alta Gracia?
Mankind has only 12 notes, but takes a lifetime to master them. Thanks for video.
Mikael Raymond - May I say that mankind has more than 12 notes? More like Western music has 12 notes. Many non-Western musical scales have micro tones in addition to the Western chromatic scale, Indian and African scales for example. I think this is what makes music so interesting. Ragas have some cool micro tones, probably why the Beatles explored Eastern music. This is just a privileged conversation so just an opinion. Let the music play 😀 🎶🎵🎵👶
Frank Jahloh You’re absolutely right about the micro tonal system. My little comment was more a philosophical one rather than a rhetorical one. Maybe it takes two lifetime to master the micro tonal system. 😄👍
Mikael Raymond Thanks for your cool response. I checked out your link and it seems you play guitar and bass which I think is just awesome. I dug your funky stuff on the guitar. I play funky grooves myself; guitar, bass and keys. You know what, it would be cool to collaborate as I think our styles will dovetail nicely. It is just a suggestion.
Hi,
interesting video, just a question: why the pdf cost 5$ about 6 maouth ago and now 12,95$? Is it improved?
Coltrane was a genius
Hi! Nice to meet you! I am from Argentina! Córdoba! I play the trumpet, study jazz and have a UA-cam Channel! I would Love to meet you any time! 😚🤗😎
can it be called "Melodic minor Pentatonic" ?
Its in fact a melodic form from the melodic minor, and all the chords from that scale. Because of that this pentatonic works on those chords.
here you have another comment congratulating you for being argentinian (?) patriotismo nivel youtube
If you're in the continent you should come visit Mexico!
Did anyone noticed at 7:20 and 8:00 he did rubato 😂😂
1:05 5:50 6:15
I need a chart of chord types and how the Coltrane pentatonic related to them.
The famous Indian classic scale “Raaga”
It just from the Dorian mode. But it isn't the Dorian sound.
Also fits perfectly into Melodic Minor in a different way than Dorian.
Exactly Melodic minor scale is different motion in ascending and descending. If you talk about upward motion in Melodic minor is possible but When it's downward motion in scale turn into Aeolian scale.
이거나저거나이구아나 not in jazz- melodic minor (also called Jazz minor)is used interchangeably with dorian (tension )but mostly for altered dominant sounds. Ascending and descending are the same. Jazz duets should do a video on this...classical vs. Jazz treatment of Mel. Minor. Can anybody site any big pop songs where the strict Mel min up/ nat. Min down rule is used? Besides of course Christmas carols like Carols of the Bells or Greensleevs.
So... the Coltrane Pentatonic is... the Major Blues Scale, but omitting the 3rd...?
What accent is that?
Has anyone ever told you, speak like Roddy Mcdowall? You must come from an area similar to his in England.
Indian raag shivranjani
The so-called "Coltrane pentatonic" is nothing other than the melodic minor scale with two less notes (4 and 7).
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1 2 b3 4 5 6 7 / melodic minor
1 2 b3 - 5 6 - / "Coltrane pentatonic"
If another note is removed (the 2) a minor arpeggio 6 is formed
1 - b3 - 5 6 - / minor arpeggio 6
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It is commonly used:
Applied on minor chords from the root
Applied to minor chords 7 b5 from the 3rd note
Applied on major chords from the 6th note, the Lydian mode is formed
Applied on dominant chords from the 5th note, the Mixolydian mode is formed
Applied on dominant chords one step above from the root, the Altered scale is formed
Doesn’t sound so good over major seven flat five.
i understand this simply as the melodic minor scale (and chords). but why don't you ever just say that?
Because it's also the 1st 5 notes of the Dorian Mode. It's also a Minor Pentatonic with a flattened 5th, if you start on the 2nd note. Plus he and Coltrane throw it around almost everywhere in many different contexts.