I have this same bench (the EliteFTS version), and I agree with all your points on its quality and functionality. On your observation of it contributing to the fraying of bands, I suspect it has more to do with the band rubbing against itself; the metal band pegs roll and have a smooth chrome finish, and I just don't suspect that being the source of the friction wear as much as the band is to itself.
That machine is a beast. Totally agree about the utility of a leg ext/curl in the home gym. Isolating Hammies and even more so quads is very tough to do in the home gym without that machine.
I have the lower grade EliteFTS version with is a little over $1000. Super quality and a little bit smaller footprint. Though the long pad isn't adjustable. Great review!
Brandon your the man I appreciate you taking the time to give me some specs on this unit that wasn’t listed on elitefts or Williams strength. I ended up picking up one of these units a couple months ago on fb brand new and it’s awesome if I could have something custom done to it to make it even better would be to make the butt pad adjustable for a better extension angle. This thing is a better lying leg curl then the magnum fitness commercial plate loaded unit I had before and a very humbling machine. Again appreciate the help/ work you do.
Seated leg curl and lying leg curl seem to hit hamstrings differently. I never noticed before but after having a hamstring injury this week I can tell. I feel the pain on lying curl but not seated. Makes me feel like the lying leg curl is more like a preacher curl vs the seated is more like a freeweight curl. I dunno, just rambling
Really cool piece with a nice custom touch. Looks sick in your gym! Adding a leg ext/curl combo unit in my home gym ended up being a great decision. I went with a seated style, plate loaded by Xmark. Small footprint and like you said, sometimes you just want to isolate the quads or hams and not have to do another multi joint exercise.
I was happy to see that you published a review on this one. Thanks for the honest feedback. Makes me wish I had a bigger gym but I have a good workaround right now
I already have a Rogue Rhino and tried to rig up my own versions of leg curl/extensions with various attachments trying to avoid buying another piece of equipment. It was ultimately a pain to set up and didn’t feel effective. I couldn’t justify the cost of the signature model for my needs just because of the seal row feature and customization. I was able to pick up a basic model of these during Elitefts November sales after months of over analyzing Brandon’s original video plus whatever else I could find on UA-cam, Reddit, Facebook. I’ve only had it for two weeks but I feel this is going to serve my needs very well for my one person garage gym. All of Brandon’s points are spot on (except the band color 😂) but I would choose this unit (base version) every time over other similar options.
I'm surprised I've been so good about holding off on the rhino. I really want one, but just feel like it wouldn't get used as much as the price/space it requires.
I’m liking my Xmark leg curl/extension machine which I bought this fall. $780 inc tax/delivery. Plate loaded but you can adjust it to maximize the resistance where you want it. I like lots of tension early on because that’s about where my sticking point is on squats. It’s a little awkward getting in it with my extreme setting but it works.
Do you have enough room in your basement for a 35/45 degree plate loaded leg press? Rogue makes a nice leg press, and it will be challenging for you to move the heavy unit, into your basement.
White Lion Athletics makes small black bands. Pricey unit. I wouldn’t mind a leg curl/leg extension machine but for me, it’s finding the correct piece. I have weird leg proportions and find a lot of them just don’t suit me. I stick with leg curls with bands, not great but okay with no added cost or footprint
Great video and review! There is a black band from Rogue, you just got to get stronger! Maybe a good motivation to keep using it lol From having a similar one and switching to a selectorized one, I dont know if I could ever go back to a plate loaded version like this. Only disadvantage is that the seat doesnt go up for leg extensions (not that I do leg extensions) but its helpful. What was the lead time on this piece considering custom work? You should have gone with the Sorinex one with your custom logo!
I actually picked up a fabric white band from BoS that might solve both issues. The Sorinex one probably would have been more compact and a tad nicer in terms of having to load since it's selectorized, but I don't think it was worth the $2500 more and it has it's own issues where the whole machine can move while in use if not bolted down. I don't recall my initial timeline, but for the other pieces I was quoted 8-12 weeks and they all met or exceeded (at the time)
That's hilarious Brandon, I just purchased the sorinex leg extension/ leg curl machine 3 weeks ago and they charged me $2,000 for shipping to Seattle. They wouldn’t lower the price I assume because they are more marketable to college / high school facilities? Prime Fitness was cheaper for shipping, however the waitlist is like a year or longer. Stray dog is coming out with a leg curl/ hamstring machine in a week, but they told me that 5 weeks ago, and can’t wait any longer, although cost and shipping would be both cheaper than sorinex. I got the same color as the picture you showed red and black. I looked at all those attachments you can set up on the power rack such as the Isolater etc. but I just wasn’t sold on any of them with the resistance issues or non resistance, check out Alan Thralls video on his leg extension from Bells of Steel and you will see what I mean? Anyways good video and BTW ur video helped me get those end caps in my new barbell but I bought the specific pliers that you used, worked perfectly no issues!
Dang, yeah their shipping blows. I think part of it is like you said, they tend to do big spaces all at once so they bake everythign in. I did see yesterday Bells of Steel is coming out with a knock off version of the selectorized piece.
Maybe a 3D printed piece that slides over the existing peg and rotates with each rep would reduce the friction to stop it from fraying. Can’t tell from your video if the included peg rotates or not.
Looks like a great piece. I just use my scout hyper for leg curls and extensions. Not ideal.. stand alone piece would be great. When is the black and white theme going to creep up the stairs and wall? 🤣
Off topic but thinking of getting belt squat to add volume on leg days and not exhaust my back which after a few sets and deadlifts earlier in the week can be sore for days after. If you had to pick between Squat Max from Titan or Rogue Rhino curious which you'd buy?
So take this with a grain of salt bc I don’t like supporting Titan. Most that I’ve heard from who have used both say the feel of the squat max is superior. However most agree it’s a pain to load and set up. The rhino while easier to set up, is expensive and takes up more room. However I also think it may be more versatile. If I had to pick, I’d go rhino.
I appreciate and understand. I feel the same but due to limited space and adjustability of the load (pin on front/rear or top stressing muscles differently) and the fact that I'll probably just keep 3 45s on there and then add for heavier sets thinking Squat Max fits the small garage gym. I can see in videos the Rhino slightly pulling people forward unless perfectly setup on it. The loading is so much easier. I'm going to make some sort of 1/2 to 1 inch spacers between plates after the first 2 or 3 45s.@@BasementBrandon
You have a sharp machine there. Yeah, the Sorinex one would be great but over $3500 to your door is steep. Shipping costs kills us, $1000 to ship that's crazy. The cost of any piece is one thing but you have to add shipping onto the cost of the piece because you've got to get it to your house. There needs to be stores to walk into, buy your piece, and take it home, like a Rogue store, REP store, etc. in most major cities. Prices would be a lot lower if we removed shipping costs and free shipping costs us even more after they bake it in. I bought a similar machine from Deltech but it was $321 to my door. It's not as nice as yours but it is very well built. Honestly, I don't see how they can sell it for that price as high quality as it is. They only have 1 color though white frame and black seat. Your colors. I'm sure you've seen it. Home gym equipment has tripled in price from 10-15 years ago, got to be a ceiling where things start leveling off or coming down. Nice piece Take Care
@@BasementBrandon Very true, laser cutting your monicure on the foot plate is Wild and Sick but they would charge a fortune to do that for a person who does not do reviews. Wouldn't be worth the price. Companies do stuff for you and other reviewers that they would never do for the public. Price Gouging is alive and Well. Look at Signature Fitness racks sell for $700, same 3X3 rack with Rogue or REP is $1500-$2000.
@@bobbyhunt3009 Tbh all my custom stuff was paid for the same as anyone else, no deals here! The only exception may be the Rogue white powdercoat multigrip bar.
That unit is a Tank. It may be large and heavy but it will for sure last as long as you have your basement gym and your kids have their basement gym and your kids kids have their garage gym. Haha
I can only imagine 50 years from now when I'm gone and someone comes across all this black/white equipment with a naked squatter on it and asking themselves WTF is this.
Maybe get some black pvc from Home Depot to slip over the band pegs and just let them spin ? Just first thing off the top of my head which is usually all I ever get out of it 😂
I've never liked the add ons for benches like that, but have not used the IM one, but have heard good things about it. I have a super heavy duty WS adjustable bench that I love so to go that route I'd have to buy the bench and attachment, so $700 and not customized.
Thanks for this review. You should source your own bands. “Basement Bands”...so the lightest one is all white, add black stripes for the next couple, then the heaviest could be all black-the death trooper band. Merry Christmas
@BasementBrandon how does it compare to best conventional? Should see how much of a difference there is after a training block sometime if you have no comps coming up, could be fun
Home gym? A home gym leg extension is the flimsy one that you didn’t put on your bench right that came from Walmart. It’s probably made by Marcy. This is more of a commercial piece.
If anyone is in search for one, lmk…I am moving and need to sell mine -North Carolina/ research triangle area (same color scheme but with elitefts logo). Great unit and awesome review. Sad to see it go
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Have this too, love it! Only change I would make is making the band pegs all rolling to reduce band wear and tear
I just ordered some fabric bands. Will let you know.
I have this same bench (the EliteFTS version), and I agree with all your points on its quality and functionality. On your observation of it contributing to the fraying of bands, I suspect it has more to do with the band rubbing against itself; the metal band pegs roll and have a smooth chrome finish, and I just don't suspect that being the source of the friction wear as much as the band is to itself.
Could be! I just ordered a fabric band, we will see!
That machine is a beast. Totally agree about the utility of a leg ext/curl in the home gym. Isolating Hammies and even more so quads is very tough to do in the home gym without that machine.
Now only if I could command them to grow!
Have to watch again to count how many times you said "massive unit." Great review as always, B!
My youtube videos are just vessels for my potty mouth.
I have the lower grade EliteFTS version with is a little over $1000. Super quality and a little bit smaller footprint. Though the long pad isn't adjustable. Great review!
Yeah I have the same one it’s very nice
Same here. Very glad I purchased it, even with limited space in the home gym
Prob a good way to go, I don't find I adjust mine!
Brandon your the man I appreciate you taking the time to give me some specs on this unit that wasn’t listed on elitefts or Williams strength. I ended up picking up one of these units a couple months ago on fb brand new and it’s awesome if I could have something custom done to it to make it even better would be to make the butt pad adjustable for a better extension angle. This thing is a better lying leg curl then the magnum fitness commercial plate loaded unit I had before and a very humbling machine. Again appreciate the help/ work you do.
Awesome to hear, I recall you getting a pretty sweet deal!
Nicely done. I like the band feature and seal row capability.
Thanks for taking a look!
Seated leg curl and lying leg curl seem to hit hamstrings differently.
I never noticed before but after having a hamstring injury this week I can tell. I feel the pain on lying curl but not seated.
Makes me feel like the lying leg curl is more like a preacher curl vs the seated is more like a freeweight curl.
I dunno, just rambling
Interesting point!
Really cool piece with a nice custom touch. Looks sick in your gym! Adding a leg ext/curl combo unit in my home gym ended up being a great decision. I went with a seated style, plate loaded by Xmark. Small footprint and like you said, sometimes you just want to isolate the quads or hams and not have to do another multi joint exercise.
I prob would have gone a similar route if I wasn't so set on making everything match and overdone
@@BasementBrandon I totally get it. Sometimes I end up upgrading and spending more in the long run 😆
You can also put weight plates on the lever pegs. It shifts the weight further away and increases resistance at the end of the movement
Interesting
I was happy to see that you published a review on this one. Thanks for the honest feedback. Makes me wish I had a bigger gym but I have a good workaround right now
Thaks Kurtis! Appreciate it. You're a much smarter fellow than I, so I know you'd come up with something sweet.
I already have a Rogue Rhino and tried to rig up my own versions of leg curl/extensions with various attachments trying to avoid buying another piece of equipment. It was ultimately a pain to set up and didn’t feel effective. I couldn’t justify the cost of the signature model for my needs just because of the seal row feature and customization. I was able to pick up a basic model of these during Elitefts November sales after months of over analyzing Brandon’s original video plus whatever else I could find on UA-cam, Reddit, Facebook. I’ve only had it for two weeks but I feel this is going to serve my needs very well for my one person garage gym. All of Brandon’s points are spot on (except the band color 😂) but I would choose this unit (base version) every time over other similar options.
I'm surprised I've been so good about holding off on the rhino. I really want one, but just feel like it wouldn't get used as much as the price/space it requires.
Perhaps consider using a 12” band that only uses the last two band pegs, depending on the distance between those points.
Someone mentioned a fabric band, going to give that a go first!
I’m liking my Xmark leg curl/extension machine which I bought this fall. $780 inc tax/delivery. Plate loaded but you can adjust it to maximize the resistance where you want it. I like lots of tension early on because that’s about where my sticking point is on squats. It’s a little awkward getting in it with my extreme setting but it works.
is this the machine above
@@stefanomancini6569No the XMARK is a seated machine.
Somone else mentioned they like theirs as well.
Ever think about using an extension cable attached from a low pull to even out the strength curve?
Seems like more of a hassle tbh !
Have you looked at any equipment from bolt fitness? I saw they have a cable stack leg extension leg curl for 2600 shipping included. It looks nice!
I haven't heard good things about their shipping or CS.
Do you have enough room in your basement for a 35/45 degree plate loaded leg press? Rogue makes a nice leg press, and it will be challenging for you to move the heavy unit, into your basement.
There's room, getting it down would require disassembly however. I'm not sure I'd want to give up the footprint and price for one though.
White Lion Athletics makes small black bands. Pricey unit. I wouldn’t mind a leg curl/leg extension machine but for me, it’s finding the correct piece. I have weird leg proportions and find a lot of them just don’t suit me. I stick with leg curls with bands, not great but okay with no added cost or footprint
Yeah prob better off saving the money!
Great video and review! There is a black band from Rogue, you just got to get stronger! Maybe a good motivation to keep using it lol From having a similar one and switching to a selectorized one, I dont know if I could ever go back to a plate loaded version like this. Only disadvantage is that the seat doesnt go up for leg extensions (not that I do leg extensions) but its helpful. What was the lead time on this piece considering custom work? You should have gone with the Sorinex one with your custom logo!
I actually picked up a fabric white band from BoS that might solve both issues. The Sorinex one probably would have been more compact and a tad nicer in terms of having to load since it's selectorized, but I don't think it was worth the $2500 more and it has it's own issues where the whole machine can move while in use if not bolted down. I don't recall my initial timeline, but for the other pieces I was quoted 8-12 weeks and they all met or exceeded (at the time)
I’ve always loved that beast but never realized just how big it was until this video. Use at 2x weekly seems like enough
I need to make it a point to hit them hammys more!
That's hilarious Brandon, I just purchased the sorinex leg extension/ leg curl machine 3 weeks ago and they charged me $2,000 for shipping to Seattle. They wouldn’t lower the price I assume because they are more marketable to college / high school facilities? Prime Fitness was cheaper for shipping, however the waitlist is like a year or longer. Stray dog is coming out with a leg curl/ hamstring machine in a week, but they told me that 5 weeks ago, and can’t wait any longer, although cost and shipping would be both cheaper than sorinex. I got the same color as the picture you showed red and black. I looked at all those attachments you can set up on the power rack such as the Isolater etc. but I just wasn’t sold on any of them with the resistance issues or non resistance, check out Alan Thralls video on his leg extension from Bells of Steel and you will see what I mean? Anyways good video and BTW ur video helped me get those end caps in my new barbell but I bought the specific pliers that you used, worked perfectly no issues!
Dang, yeah their shipping blows. I think part of it is like you said, they tend to do big spaces all at once so they bake everythign in. I did see yesterday Bells of Steel is coming out with a knock off version of the selectorized piece.
Maybe a 3D printed piece that slides over the existing peg and rotates with each rep would reduce the friction to stop it from fraying. Can’t tell from your video if the included peg rotates or not.
They do but not smooth. I have since ordered a fabric type band, will see how it goes!
Looks like a great piece. I just use my scout hyper for leg curls and extensions. Not ideal.. stand alone piece would be great. When is the black and white theme going to creep up the stairs and wall? 🤣
The theme must stay in the basement per the wifey.
@@BasementBrandon 😅 fair
Off topic but thinking of getting belt squat to add volume on leg days and not exhaust my back which after a few sets and deadlifts earlier in the week can be sore for days after. If you had to pick between Squat Max from Titan or Rogue Rhino curious which you'd buy?
So take this with a grain of salt bc I don’t like supporting Titan. Most that I’ve heard from who have used both say the feel of the squat max is superior. However most agree it’s a pain to load and set up. The rhino while easier to set up, is expensive and takes up more room. However I also think it may be more versatile. If I had to pick, I’d go rhino.
I appreciate and understand. I feel the same but due to limited space and adjustability of the load (pin on front/rear or top stressing muscles differently) and the fact that I'll probably just keep 3 45s on there and then add for heavier sets thinking Squat Max fits the small garage gym. I can see in videos the Rhino slightly pulling people forward unless perfectly setup on it. The loading is so much easier. I'm going to make some sort of 1/2 to 1 inch spacers between plates after the first 2 or 3 45s.@@BasementBrandon
Would you get less band wear if you used the rogue mini bands and only put it in the two front most pins?
Not sure TBH. Someone mentioned there are fabric bands, so I ordered some to give a go.
You have a sharp machine there.
Yeah, the Sorinex one would be great but over $3500 to your door is steep. Shipping costs kills us, $1000 to ship that's crazy.
The cost of any piece is one thing but you have to add shipping onto the cost of the piece because you've got to get it to your house. There needs to be stores to walk into, buy your piece, and take it home, like a Rogue store, REP store, etc. in most major cities. Prices would be a lot lower if we removed shipping costs and free shipping costs us even more after they bake it in.
I bought a similar machine from Deltech but it was $321 to my door. It's not as nice as yours but it is very well built. Honestly, I don't see how they can sell it for that price as high quality as it is. They only have 1 color though white frame and black seat. Your colors. I'm sure you've seen it.
Home gym equipment has tripled in price from 10-15 years ago, got to be a ceiling where things start leveling off or coming down.
Nice piece
Take Care
There will never be more that one or 2 show rooms for a company that won’t cost you shipping . It’s a pipe dream
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Yeah, you are right
Never gonna happen
The profit their making off of shipping costs keeps CEO's pocket full
At least these days more companies are offering premium products with some customization options so have a bit more choice.
@@BasementBrandon
Very true, laser cutting your monicure on the foot plate is Wild and Sick but they would charge a fortune to do that for a person who does not do reviews.
Wouldn't be worth the price.
Companies do stuff for you and other reviewers that they would never do for the public. Price Gouging is alive and Well.
Look at Signature Fitness racks sell for $700, same 3X3 rack with Rogue or REP is $1500-$2000.
@@bobbyhunt3009 Tbh all my custom stuff was paid for the same as anyone else, no deals here! The only exception may be the Rogue white powdercoat multigrip bar.
Black micro mini bands from WSBB, would match perfectly!
I just ordered some fabric ones from BoS, will report back!
Was just looking at elite fts’ today perfect timing
I think they're running a holiday sale as well
That unit is a Tank. It may be large and heavy but it will for sure last as long as you have your basement gym and your kids have their basement gym and your kids kids have their garage gym. Haha
I can only imagine 50 years from now when I'm gone and someone comes across all this black/white equipment with a naked squatter on it and asking themselves WTF is this.
@@BasementBrandon haha. Naked squatter.
Maybe get some black pvc from Home Depot to slip over the band pegs and just let them spin ? Just first thing off the top of my head which is usually all I ever get out of it 😂
Just got in a white fabric band, will see how it holds!
@@BasementBrandonlet's see an update with the fabric bands. Unless I missed it.
@@intrnal I may have mentioned it in passing in another video, but they've worked out great.
@@BasementBrandon thanks
Hello Brandon by any chance do you know what's the pad width is?
Which one?
@@BasementBrandon for the booty seat please.
@@BasementBrandon What's pad width that you sit on?
@@MetalsForBrunch 20”
@@BasementBrandon thank you sire
I want this
Get bells to send you their new one.
This reminds me of the Bolt Fitness Supply Raider
I worry about seated leg extensions that aren't tall
@@BasementBrandon i Agree... you and Shaq's worries are real.
All of my EliteFTS bands are black😊
Prob been awhle since I bought them lol
Any cheap leg curl machine you can recommend
It's all 2nd hand feedback, so prob not the best person to ask! Some comments I've seen here have other options.
I have the Ironmaster Super Bench Pro V2 with leg curl/leg extension attachment. Works great, stores vertical, and way cheaper than this.
I've never liked the add ons for benches like that, but have not used the IM one, but have heard good things about it. I have a super heavy duty WS adjustable bench that I love so to go that route I'd have to buy the bench and attachment, so $700 and not customized.
Bells of steel has fabric bands, and theirs that size are white.
I was not aware of this. Going to check it out.
Also if you're interested Westside Barbell has black micro bands that should be around the same resistance as the orange ones.
Beautiful piece.
Thanks, I work out. What do you think about the leg curl though?
@@BasementBrandon I was talking about the bench. You are in great shape too, haha
I definitely think people want more and more customization, colors and logos especially
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Thanks for this review.
You should source your own bands. “Basement Bands”...so the lightest one is all white, add black stripes for the next couple, then the heaviest could be all black-the death trooper band.
Merry Christmas
Def would be cool!
I have the opportunity to buy a used one of these for peanuts, but I just do not have the space. 😭
Maybe just buy and resell to make some easy money
Have you ever done a block of sumo deadlift for fun or to try it out?
I actually learned to deadlift by pulling sumo. Didn't start pulling conventional until I was about 30.
@BasementBrandon how does it compare to best conventional? Should see how much of a difference there is after a training block sometime if you have no comps coming up, could be fun
@@patricknolan1991 it's been about 10 years and I'd need to do a shit ton of hip mobility to get back at it 😅
@@BasementBrandon 🤣🤣🤣
I received mine today
Thoughts?
Its funny that they allow a different company to sell their product under a different name.
A lot of companies offer white label services.
They prob move enough where it makes sense. WS tended to focus on facilities in the past where EliteFTS was more individual.
Home gym? A home gym leg extension is the flimsy one that you didn’t put on your bench right that came from Walmart. It’s probably made by Marcy. This is more of a commercial piece.
the lines are more blurred these days my friend.
Your the better brother for sure
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If anyone is in search for one, lmk…I am moving and need to sell mine -North Carolina/ research triangle area (same color scheme but with elitefts logo). Great unit and awesome review. Sad to see it go
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1600 wow
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It's nice but too expensive for the regular customer....
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I think I’m going to go with legend Ghd instead of elitefts Ghd
Nice.