Working at a meat market in small town Michigan I have customers from all age ranges refer to it as burger, Hamburg, hamburger, hamburger meat, ground beef, or by it's defining cut ("a pound of chuck, round, sirloin", etc) and it's interesting to see the overlap from generations too. It's not just seniors saying Hamburg but what would be their kids etc. We adopt a lot of the language of our parents and family and that's no more apparent than in a meat market.
The story I heard from my etymology professor in college was : Steak was more of a luxury item in Europe, especially Germany, in the 17th and 18th century. (Refrigerated shipping didn't start until the later part of 19th century.) Ground or minced beef was somewhat more affordable, so thrifty folks would take ground beef, season it and make a steak-sized patty. When the German settlers got to North America, they brought their Hamburg steak with them. Since beef was more affordable here, it became a popular dish. Someone realized sandwich-sized portions could be sold cheaply to mill and factory workers looking for a cheap meal, and hamburgers came to be.
Great comment to add my 2cts to as an European person and half German. 'Ground meat' is called 'Gehacktes' or chopped meat. Cheap Dutch beef meat is called 'German Beefsteak' which is lean beef trims chopped to mince and pressed or formed into a patty. It therefore would not be far off to say that the German influence of settlers preparing meat leftovers specifically cut to the tiniest shreds and later became ground beef to be named Hamburger as the ingredient to a beef patty...
Was just coming to say this. My family still regularly calls it "hamburger" instead of "ground beef." I don't think I've really picked up on that, but I definitely know that my parents used that terminology (mom from Chicago. Dad from Sioux Falls, for placement purposes).
"If it weren't for history everything would happen at once; if it weren't for geography everything would happen to me." This is my favourite toilet stall graffiti, which I read in a stall at the By The Way Cafe at Bloor and Brunswick in Toronto in the 1990s. Your reference to time and geography brought it to mind once again. I am a Geographer, so reference to time and space always delight me.
I'm 60 and grew up in the south... we called it either 'hamburger' or 'ground beef' interchangeably. My dad was a butcher in New Jersey and he referred to it the same way.
Maybe in your neck of the woods. I'm 52 and have only ever lived in Georgia and North Carolina. Calling ground beef "hamburger" always seemed like a thing only Yankees did.
@@JimCofer Nope... lots of *Rednecks* around here call it hamburger as well. And the South isn't limited to just GA and North Cackalacky. Just various dialects by regions.
Texas girl here and it was ground meat or hamburger. Never caused confusion. I'm and in California now and I can still get "hamburger" meat at the meat market.
I love the way Glen gives us a history lesson with each of his old cookbook shows. I have learned so much from watching. Especially about spices & sugars that are not regional to our area. Quebecois French also uses hamberger in place of ground beef in thier terminoligy.
I'm an Air Force Brat. Grew up all over the US and (in the early 50s) Canada, too. Hamburger has been my go-to term for ground beef, and was pretty much everywhere I lived.
Same here... Air Force brat... Dad was stationed at Ramore, Ontario at the radar station in '53-'55 and lived in Matheson I presume on Railway St as we rented the old Train Station... originally from Maine and always called it hamburger... Dad was originally stationed at Dow AFB late 40's early 50's...
'Hamburg' wasn't always just beef... unscrupulous storekeepers back in the day when there were actual butchers in the stores, might just toss in all the days off cuts with the beef scrap and maybe some chuck.m @@t.c.2776
Growing up in Oregon, if you were sent to the store for “hamburger” (singular) it meant ground beef. If it was plural or “a hamburger”, that meant the formed hamburger patties. My family came from the East Coast of the US, and my grandmother definitely referred to ground beef as “Hamburg”. :)
Good morning 🙏 I'm from Newfoundland. I'm in my early 40s. I know ground beef as hamburger meat l...they're interchangeable to me. I also know soft serve icecream as custard cones. I once asked the server at McDonald's for a custard cone, and he looked at me like I had 2 heads haha! It must be a generational thing lol
Lived in England for awhile, so I often add it to my shopping list as “mince”. It’s always interesting to hear different words for things in different countries, but it’s amazing how words pop up in use from different areas. Sometimes it’s because they moved from the same area, but other times it’s a different reason. Fun to find, that’s for sure.
@@DickHolman everyone I know calls ground beef “mince”. Funnily I suspect most British people would probably think of “sweet meats” if you said “minced meat”
My mother (born in 1920 in Leicestershire UK) would make a dish she called mince which was essentially a ground beef stew. She would serve it with dumplings made from Bisquick and steamed on top of the mince. To our unsophisticated palates, it was delicious!
Growing up in the Texas when we went to the store it was something along the lines of " grab me some hamburger, I'm making { spaghetti, meatloaf, etc. ...} " but we knew what was meant.
I grew up in California, my parents in Minnesota and New York. Like many here, I knew and call it hamburger. Sometimes I’ll think to myself “burger meat”. I very much enjoy your history lessons. I may not care for what you’re making, but I do enjoy the history. 🌼 PS: I’m glad I did not grow up eat “Healthful Sandwiches”. As my mother used to say; “Ish!”
Hello from Wisconsin. My grandfather was a second generation American from a German family. He and my grandmother owned a small grocery store in the '60s and '70s where he was a butcher. They always called ground beef "hamburger", and so I grew up with everybody in my family calling it hamburger. I still call it that. It's very common here. Also, regarding spices, I always wondered why my mother and both grandmothers seasoned everything with just butter, salt and pepper when there is a world of spices. And then I bought a very old cookbook in an antique store that's in German and was published in Milwaukee, WI. It is a cookbook for German immigrants to Wisconsin from around the turn of the last century. Very interesting. And the recipes recommend seasoning everything with butter, salt and pepper. So now I know. It's a very old cultural thing.
yep. I remember my grandpa going to the store to "pick up some hamburger" for my grandma. I want to say even the local grocery stores at the time labeled it as "hamburger" and not "ground beef" or "ground chuck".
My family didn't buy things mail order, but every other week my parents would visit our former neighbors, who had moved about 20 miles away, and I was brought along. They played cards and I had to entertain myself. Usually I read or watched TV, but I really loved looking through their Spiegel catalogue. Later on, in college, and without a car, I ordered a lot of items from the Sears & Roebuck's catalogue because they would ship it to my dorm.
Lived in New Hampshire and grew up saying Hamburg. My grandfather's family was from Nova Scotia and moved to Maine before he was born and my grandmother was from Massachusets. My husband is from Ohio and calls it ground beef. Not sure of his family history. Thank you for the amazing trip down memory lane with the Sunday Cook Book show.
Hi Glen. I'm in my late 50's and grew up in Metro Detroit. It's hamburger here. I look forward to your videos. I watch with my laptop and my wife likes to look over my shoulder. She can't hear the audio because I'm listening with my Airpods, but she'll make comments like, "That looks good" and "That's interesting." My favorite one comes during the Old Cookbook Show, "Oh, I don't think she liked that." Thanks to You and Julie for being entertaining.
There is one cookbook I want VERY much? A church cookbook from around 1970. My gf has it. In there is a whole pile of recipies from my Relatives! Aunts, Grandmother, Cousins, etc. I never saw it, until she let me see it, last year! It was like going back in Time to my 4yr old Time, when we lived in that tiny "Station".
I'm in Texas. My mother's side of the family made a dish similar to this, except they added a layer of stewed tomatoes and didn't add milk and butter at the end. It was delicious! We called it simply "A Layer o' This & a Layer o' That". And for the record, I grew up calling it "hamburger meat".
Ground beef and hamburger have always been interchangable to me, I've lived or worked all across the US and several places in western Canada. On a hunch I just flipped through a community cookbook from a church from 2009 in my hometown in Central Illinois. I found essentially same recipe, hamburger, potatoes, onions, butter, milk with just salt & pepper for seasoning titled "Easy Hamburger Casserole".
I have come across a large portion of people who call it "Hamburger meat", including my daughter. I think she picked that up in NC. But people in KY call it that too. I usually call it hamburger.
I am 70, live in Texas, and call "ground beef" hamburger. Funny thing, you made a "Boy Scout Dinner". It's something my husband made when he was a Scout and out camping. Made me smile as all the ingredients were the same, except the milk, and it was roasted wrapped in tinfoil over hot coals in the campfire.
My daddy made this for us all the time. No milk, but a couple of packs of onion soup mix and some canned peas poured in and you had a tasty tasty meal.
Julie's comment was apt. This is a deconstructed cottage pie. Since my family has enjoyed for years what we call "camp potatoes" (which is everything here layered except the hamburger and milk), we would love this. This could be cooked in tin foil on a fire or on a barbeque. Thanks again for the method.
NW Ontario. Raised in Sault Ste. Marie. We call it ground meat. We rarely, if ever, buy beef, typically it's pork, moose, deer, elk and bison. Love Julie's sweater! Gorgeous!
My mother in law, who is 82 and grew up on a farm near Guelph, Ontario, always says "hamburg". My husband continues the tradition, which I find cute. I myself belong to the "ground beef" school of thought. Amazingly, we all get along ;)
Nice one. I did variations on this. My mum used to call it Raw Fry. And, when times got hard, the minced beef or lamb was left out. A plate of crispy, slow roasted thinly sliced potato and onions and Veg always went down very well. And there were always the crispy potatoes that stuck to the pan were wonderful.
My grandma was born in 1921 in Pennsylvania and definitely still called it hamburger in the 80s and 90s. I'm pretty sure her 90 year old sister in law still uses the term, she's also from PA.
Here in Sweden "hamburger meat" has ended up meaning horse meat. Stores would sell ground beef, ground pork, and "hamburger". It was a generic term for ground meat, but the generic term wasn't really used for beef or pork. It was the "mystery meat".
Here in western New England, it’s still homburg. Salt, pepper, butter and onions were the primary seasonings of my childhood too. Love your background info. Thanks, Glen.
Looks like a good basic recipe. I bet if you mixed a can of mushroom soup to the milk and grated some cheese over it before cooking it would be really good. When I was a kid in the 70’s my cousins made mock duck when they invited us for supper. I still remember that meal. 😮
SO I grew up in the 40's/50's in a small farming community in Southern Ontario that my father and Grandfather did all their own butchering. We always called our "ground beef" hamburg. Salt and onions were the queen of the kitchen. Thank you so much Glen for bringing back a wee bit of my childhood.
My parents were older (1934, 1949) and I do remember growing up with hamburger, also growing up we would get all diff varieties of ground beef, ground chuck was the main thing they would get.
I grew up in Fort Erie Ontario in the early 60's and have lived in rural Texas south of Dallas since the mid 80's. The food language differences between the two places is amazing. The flavours themselves are as well for that matter.
I grew up in Michigan (mother was from California). We always called it Hamburger. Over time, I started to think of Hamburger as having a higher fat content than, say, ground chuck, or ground sirloin, but a higher meat content than the "soy burger" we started buying in the early '70s, when inflation was high, and the cost of meat went up (some percentage of was soy added to the beef to extend it, and it came in 3 lb logs).
My grandmother (Scottish decent, also) cooked through the depression era and she always called it hamburg. I don't think she ever lost the thriftiness of having to live through that time. Nothing ever wasted. She even saved tin foil, wiped off wax paper for second sandwich wraps, etc 😊😊
“Mémère”! I never called my grand-mother that (although it’s a common French Canadian thing) but my American cousins did call her that, and “pépère” for my grand-father. I love seeing the word in your comment.
@@l.c.6282that custom of calling grandparents by Mémère and Pépère seems to be dwindling, especially since the awareness from the internet that there are other terms being used. I think anyway
Hello, this is the wife of pictured. I am , and my mother is from NC. She always called it hamburger meat. My husband's mother in Australia calls it minced beef. Thanks for your lovely channel. I always enjoy it!
My sister in law came from a mom who was widowed very young so she worked long hours to support 5 kids. One of the dishes my sister in law made was scalloped potatoes with hot dogs. And funnily enough it was good.
Growing up in Detroit it was called hamburger in the grocery stores and it is what we ate too. You might see packages of ground chuck next to packages of ground hamburger, which I understood to simply have a higher fat content than ground chuck or ground round that was sold and it was significantly cheeper too. When I moved 2 hours north to Bay City in the 90s, they called it hamburg. "We went to McDonald's for hamburgs last night." Same state, two different words for the same thing. The smaller grocery stores sold ground hamburg meat. I never could get used to that. Also, in Michigan we say "going to the grocery store" or "going to the store." I've noticed writers of movies and TV shows taking place in Michigan, always get it wrong, when they say "going to the supermarket"or " going to the market". I have never heard anyone say "going to the market" in Michigan. That drives me crazy.
Otn Manitoba , Canada (Winnipeg, Gimli) we ' go to town " or ' go to the store" too and everywhere, here understands what you mean. Unless it's Costco! 😂
Greetings, Sunday morning folks! Where I grew up in Nebraska, we bought and cooked with hamburger The Better Homes & Gardens cookbook (red and white plaid ring binder cover) had a cottage pie recipe called Hamburger Pie, a childhood favorite.
Kansas here, mom from Missouri. We called it hamburger. I saw this recipe and had to try it. We're having a big cold front move through, and this just sounded fantastic. I made it tonight using my great aunt's vintage baking dish, and oh my gosh! This tastes exactly like my grandmother's cooking. I had tears. Thank you so much for everything you both do to share these gems. ❤
Thanks for this, Glenn. This escalloped hamburger is very similar to a dish I grew up on, depression food that came from my father’s family, farmers near Petrolia ON. This is the first time I’m seeing it outside my family. We did it with layers in a pot, water rather than milk, and cooked on the stovetop with a lid on. It was served with ketchup or HP sauce.
Born in 1972 in Michigan. To me, it’s always hamburg. I buy hamburg buns, eat cheeseburgs, etc. This has changed with younger generations. My husband, who grew up in Florida, was baffled by this usage when we got together. 😂
My grandparents always bought hamburg, and we would come over for hamburgs cooked on the barbecue on sundees (Sundays) . They lived in Pete-a-bur (Peterborough)
My mother from Pennsylvania Dutch country always used the word Hamburg for both ground beef and ground meat of another source such as pork or lamb. Mike in South Carolina
I love that the phone numbers had 1 or 2 digits. I remember my grandmother’s phone number in a small Massachusetts town, had 4 digits. No need to dial the exchange if you wanted to contact someone in the area.
In my 63 years here in Buffalo, NY, I've only met two people who said "Hamburg " when talking about ground beef. They're older than me (a little) and came from North Tonawanda, the suburb in Niagara county. Off Topic: if any one wants grapenuts cereal and lives close enough to Buffalo, Tops Markets has it in North Buffalo. Thanks for another interesting video, Glen!
Lived the 1st 14 yrs in Saskatchewan--with relatives in Alberta and BC. My hubby is Ottawa born and raised. That's we are. Hamburger is the meat you buy, hamburgers are what you make. I've never heard anyone say, "Im making hamburger tonight." ... meat is singular, the hot sandwich is plural, yes? 😁
I'm almost 77 and was raised in western Maryland on a farm. No spices either other than salt - and I actually don't remember pepper - though it was probably on the table. I still use only a tiny bit of pepper, but do use garlic and onion powder. I am a product of my upbringing. As an Army vet and then a military wife I was introduced to all kinds of cooking and spices -- but still go back to the country ways.
Glen & Friends Cooking's latest episode of the Old Cookbook Show. Glen takes us on a journey back to 1936 with a recreation of the Escalloped Hamburg recipe from the "Golden Jubilee Recipes 1886 to 1936" cookbook, courtesy of the Ladies Aid Society of the Poplar Hill Church of Christ in Ontario. Glen begins the episode by providing historical context, giving us insight into the community church cookbook and its significance in preserving culinary traditions of the era. The focus on baking and sweets, alongside glimpses into local businesses, sets the stage for a delightful culinary adventure. The recipe itself, Escalloped Hamburg, is simple yet intriguing. Glen meticulously layers hamburg steak with thin slices of raw potatoes and finely chopped onions, seasoned with salt and pepper, and dotted with butter. The alternating layers build anticipation for the final dish. As Glen expertly assembles the ingredients, his attention to detail and passion for historical cooking shines through. The addition of milk to moisten the dish before baking adds a comforting touch, reminiscent of home-cooked meals from yesteryears. Once the Escalloped Hamburg is assembled, Glen guides us through the baking process, emphasizing the importance of a moderately hot oven for optimal results. The anticipation builds as the aroma fills the kitchen, transporting us back to rural Ontario in the 1930s. Upon tasting the finished dish, Glen's & Julia's enthusiasm is palpable. The combination of tender hamburg steak, perfectly cooked potatoes, and onions infused with buttery goodness evokes nostalgia for simpler times. The flavors harmonize beautifully, showcasing the culinary prowess of 1930s home cooks. In conclusion, Glen & Friends Cooking's recreation of the Escalloped Hamburg recipe is a testament to the enduring appeal of vintage cooking. Through meticulous research and culinary skill, Glen brings history to life, inviting us to savor the flavors of a bygone era. Whether you're a history buff or a food enthusiast, this episode is sure to captivate and inspire.
You are right about getting spices, But few had checks. Money orders were so much more common. Other than that I still love your banter about the environment surrounding the times the recipes were created. Mike in South Carolina. Born in Canada.
My grandmother, who was born and grew up in eastern Washington and later moved to southern Idaho, always called it hamburg. And it meant what we often call ground beef now, although we usually call it hamburger in our family.
The grandkids in the family are always surprised at how much I use hamburger patties in all kinds of dishes. Growing up in the 70s I remember my dad saying dinner would be Burgers - for us that always meant home grilled burgers in buns with potato chips. McDonalds was a long long drive away. A&W Root Beer drive in was an annual adventure as it was on the other side of the city.
You brought back memories of my mom!! She had a recipe she called "burger rice stew"... ground beef with diced carrots and peas, served on a bed of rice. As kids we would drown it in ketchup.
My family goes back to 1630 in Massachusetts. I grew up with Hamburg and Frankfurters, rather than ground beef and hot dogs. A dinner staple was “Baked Hamburg”, which was Hamburg pressed down into a brownie pan, brushed with yellow mustard, a layer of sliced onion, and finally salt and pepper. Baked until medium well, then cut into squares and served along potato and veg. Also, we had both “hot dogs” and “frankfurters”. “Hot dog” was fried or grilled frankfurter(never boiled or steamed), served on a bun. “Frankfurters” were boiled frankfurters served with sour kraut, or even cooked in the sour kraut in a pot on the stove. No bun. Finally, frank and beans were served with canned brown bread rather than with hot dog buns and we often had it on the traditional Saturday night supper.
I grew up calling it hamburger (southern Ontario). My husband is English and calls it mince. I make a variation of this recipe (which we called Mom's casserole), the variation being that we layer it meat/potatoes/onions/tomato soup (undiluted). I still use the same casserole dish that my mom used - talk about taking me back to my childhood in the 60's!
I live in the desert southwest of the United States, and my mother and grandmother both used the terms ground beef and hamburger interchangeably. FYI: My grandmother was born in 1906, and my mother was born in 1934.
I'm 60 and have lived my whole life in Mississauga, Ontario, just outside of Toronto. My mom always called it hamburg. That included the beef itself as well as the sandwich. One of my dad's favourites on our rare restaurant visits was the hot hamburg, an open faced hamburger with bread instead of a bun and covered in gravy and usually served with mashed potatoes and peas. I think Glen made it on the channel a year or two ago.
I also grew up in Southern Ontario and remember my parents, who would be over 100, refer to it as hamburg meat. We also didn't do spices. My father's family was convinced that spices would give us ulcers. Horseradish was ok. That was probably because the Woodman's horseradish farm was his backyard when he was a kid.
As a child in the 70s here in BC, I always heard it referred to as hamburger by my family. 'Hamburger gravy' over rice or mashed potatoes with peas on the side was a treat.
I grew up in New Hampshire, we always referred to ground beef as hamburger. My mom was a very plain cook and my dad was a meat and potatoes person. Salt, pepper and butter were about all the seasonings we had until I was old enough to do some of the cooking. When I was out on my own, I really started trying new spices.
I live in central Texas but I grew up with a very British mother. She called it hamburger, I call it hamburger. The grocery stores call it ground beef.
I'm from southern Ontario too, so I definitely grew up hearing hamburg or hamburger to mean ground beef. I don't think I ever heard my grandma say ground beef. And spot on about spicing. My grandma only knew two spices... Salt and pepper. Maybe paprika for special occasions.
I love the food history with your recipes, Glen.
Working at a meat market in small town Michigan I have customers from all age ranges refer to it as burger, Hamburg, hamburger, hamburger meat, ground beef, or by it's defining cut ("a pound of chuck, round, sirloin", etc) and it's interesting to see the overlap from generations too. It's not just seniors saying Hamburg but what would be their kids etc. We adopt a lot of the language of our parents and family and that's no more apparent than in a meat market.
The story I heard from my etymology professor in college was : Steak was more of a luxury item in Europe, especially Germany, in the 17th and 18th century. (Refrigerated shipping didn't start until the later part of 19th century.) Ground or minced beef was somewhat more affordable, so thrifty folks would take ground beef, season it and make a steak-sized patty. When the German settlers got to North America, they brought their Hamburg steak with them. Since beef was more affordable here, it became a popular dish. Someone realized sandwich-sized portions could be sold cheaply to mill and factory workers looking for a cheap meal, and hamburgers came to be.
Great comment to add my 2cts to as an European person and half German.
'Ground meat' is called 'Gehacktes' or chopped meat. Cheap Dutch beef meat is called 'German Beefsteak' which is lean beef trims chopped to mince and pressed or formed into a patty.
It therefore would not be far off to say that the German influence of settlers preparing meat leftovers specifically cut to the tiniest shreds and later became ground beef to be named Hamburger as the ingredient to a beef patty...
"Hamburger Helper" is in present day parlance, "Ground Beef Glow Up" 🙂
BWAHAHAHAHA!
Winner, winner, Hamburg dinner
Was just coming to say this.
My family still regularly calls it "hamburger" instead of "ground beef." I don't think I've really picked up on that, but I definitely know that my parents used that terminology (mom from Chicago. Dad from Sioux Falls, for placement purposes).
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True, we called it that because everybody did: even marketing.
"If it weren't for history everything would happen at once; if it weren't for geography everything would happen to me."
This is my favourite toilet stall graffiti, which I read in a stall at the By The Way Cafe at Bloor and Brunswick in Toronto in the 1990s. Your reference to time and geography brought it to mind once again. I am a Geographer, so reference to time and space always delight me.
I'm 60 and grew up in the south... we called it either 'hamburger' or 'ground beef' interchangeably.
My dad was a butcher in New Jersey and he referred to it the same way.
Maybe in your neck of the woods. I'm 52 and have only ever lived in Georgia and North Carolina. Calling ground beef "hamburger" always seemed like a thing only Yankees did.
@@JimCofer Nope... lots of *Rednecks* around here call it hamburger as well. And the South isn't limited to just GA and North Cackalacky.
Just various dialects by regions.
I’m 64. My parents came from Miami Florida and used the terms interchangeably. My wife and I both grew up in the mid antlantic and do the same thing.
Texas girl here and it was ground meat or hamburger. Never caused confusion. I'm and in California now and I can still get "hamburger" meat at the meat market.
I love the way Glen gives us a history lesson with each of his old cookbook shows. I have learned so much from watching. Especially about spices & sugars that are not regional to our area. Quebecois French also uses hamberger in place of ground beef in thier terminoligy.
Hamburger it was/is.
I'm an Air Force Brat. Grew up all over the US and (in the early 50s) Canada, too. Hamburger has been my go-to term for ground beef, and was pretty much everywhere I lived.
Same here... Air Force brat... Dad was stationed at Ramore, Ontario at the radar station in '53-'55 and lived in Matheson I presume on Railway St as we rented the old Train Station... originally from Maine and always called it hamburger... Dad was originally stationed at Dow AFB late 40's early 50's...
'Hamburg' wasn't always just beef... unscrupulous storekeepers back in the day when there were actual butchers in the stores, might just toss in all the days off cuts with the beef scrap and maybe some chuck.m @@t.c.2776
This hamburg discussion reminds me of Upton Sinclair's novel The Jungle.
Growing up in Oregon, if you were sent to the store for “hamburger” (singular) it meant ground beef. If it was plural or “a hamburger”, that meant the formed hamburger patties. My family came from the East Coast of the US, and my grandmother definitely referred to ground beef as “Hamburg”. :)
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I'm from Newfoundland. I'm in my early 40s. I know ground beef as hamburger meat l...they're interchangeable to me.
I also know soft serve icecream as custard cones. I once asked the server at McDonald's for a custard cone, and he looked at me like I had 2 heads haha! It must be a generational thing lol
Lived in England for awhile, so I often add it to my shopping list as “mince”. It’s always interesting to hear different words for things in different countries, but it’s amazing how words pop up in use from different areas. Sometimes it’s because they moved from the same area, but other times it’s a different reason. Fun to find, that’s for sure.
Strictly, 'minced (meat)', but language is fluid. :)
@@DickHolman everyone I know calls ground beef “mince”. Funnily I suspect most British people would probably think of “sweet meats” if you said “minced meat”
My mother (born in 1920 in Leicestershire UK) would make a dish she called mince which was essentially a ground beef stew. She would serve it with dumplings made from Bisquick and steamed on top of the mince. To our unsophisticated palates, it was delicious!
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It was my job to wind the handle on the mincer for Mum. :)
In New Zealand we call it "mince" as well.
Growing up in the Texas when we went to the store it was something along the lines of " grab me some hamburger, I'm making { spaghetti, meatloaf, etc. ...} " but we knew what was meant.
My mom’s family was from Pennsylvania and that is how she referred to ground beef, as well.
Yeah, we’d say something along those lines… hamburger meat. My mom was from Ohio/West Virginia area.
Some here in Illinois
Same in my area of West Virginia
My family in Minnesota usually just called it burger.
The shopping list would say, "2# burger."
I grew up in California, my parents in Minnesota and New York. Like many here, I knew and call it hamburger. Sometimes I’ll think to myself “burger meat”.
I very much enjoy your history lessons. I may not care for what you’re making, but I do enjoy the history. 🌼
PS: I’m glad I did not grow up eat “Healthful Sandwiches”. As my mother used to say; “Ish!”
Hello from Wisconsin. My grandfather was a second generation American from a German family. He and my grandmother owned a small grocery store in the '60s and '70s where he was a butcher. They always called ground beef "hamburger", and so I grew up with everybody in my family calling it hamburger. I still call it that. It's very common here.
Also, regarding spices, I always wondered why my mother and both grandmothers seasoned everything with just butter, salt and pepper when there is a world of spices. And then I bought a very old cookbook in an antique store that's in German and was published in Milwaukee, WI. It is a cookbook for German immigrants to Wisconsin from around the turn of the last century. Very interesting. And the recipes recommend seasoning everything with butter, salt and pepper. So now I know. It's a very old cultural thing.
yep. I remember my grandpa going to the store to "pick up some hamburger" for my grandma. I want to say even the local grocery stores at the time labeled it as "hamburger" and not "ground beef" or "ground chuck".
Southwest Ohio here. You can definitely use hamburger to refer to ground beef. Hamburg would probably get you some looks.
Mail order was the way to shop for many things. I spent alot of time leafing through the 2.5 inch thick Sears&Roebuck catalog.
As a child the Christmas Sears catalogue was especially exciting..so many goodies..
I worked for Sears Catalog in the late 70's taking orders over the phone.
That Wish Book was a house staple for generations.
@@janetmoore1124 Yes..the Wish book..I forgot the name☺️
My family didn't buy things mail order, but every other week my parents would visit our former neighbors, who had moved about 20 miles away, and I was brought along. They played cards and I had to entertain myself. Usually I read or watched TV, but I really loved looking through their Spiegel catalogue. Later on, in college, and without a car, I ordered a lot of items from the Sears & Roebuck's catalogue because they would ship it to my dorm.
Lived in New Hampshire and grew up saying Hamburg. My grandfather's family was from Nova Scotia and moved to Maine before he was born and my grandmother was from Massachusets. My husband is from Ohio and calls it ground beef. Not sure of his family history. Thank you for the amazing trip down memory lane with the Sunday Cook Book show.
Thanks Glen. My Dad still calls it Hamburg. He’s 89. ✌🏻😊
Hi Glen. I'm in my late 50's and grew up in Metro Detroit. It's hamburger here. I look forward to your videos. I watch with my laptop and my wife likes to look over my shoulder. She can't hear the audio because I'm listening with my Airpods, but she'll make comments like, "That looks good" and "That's interesting." My favorite one comes during the Old Cookbook Show, "Oh, I don't think she liked that." Thanks to You and Julie for being entertaining.
There is one cookbook I want VERY much? A church cookbook from around 1970. My gf has it. In there is a whole pile of recipies from my Relatives! Aunts, Grandmother, Cousins, etc. I never saw it, until she let me see it, last year! It was like going back in Time to my 4yr old Time, when we lived in that tiny "Station".
I hope you at least make copies..
I'm in Texas. My mother's side of the family made a dish similar to this, except they added a layer of stewed tomatoes and didn't add milk and butter at the end. It was delicious! We called it simply "A Layer o' This & a Layer o' That". And for the record, I grew up calling it "hamburger meat".
Ground beef and hamburger have always been interchangable to me, I've lived or worked all across the US and several places in western Canada. On a hunch I just flipped through a community cookbook from a church from 2009 in my hometown in Central Illinois. I found essentially same recipe, hamburger, potatoes, onions, butter, milk with just salt & pepper for seasoning titled "Easy Hamburger Casserole".
I’m from Kentucky and I have always used hamburger.
I have come across a large portion of people who call it "Hamburger meat", including my daughter. I think she picked that up in NC. But people in KY call it that too. I usually call it hamburger.
Will I enjoy the old recipes, what I love is you placing it all into context. Keep up the excellent work
I am 70, live in Texas, and call "ground beef" hamburger. Funny thing, you made a "Boy Scout Dinner". It's something my husband made when he was a Scout and out camping. Made me smile as all the ingredients were the same, except the milk, and it was roasted wrapped in tinfoil over hot coals in the campfire.
My daddy made this for us all the time. No milk, but a couple of packs of onion soup mix and some canned peas poured in and you had a tasty tasty meal.
My mom definitely calls it hamburg! She just turned 84 last week, and lived all her life in western Pennsylvania
Julie's comment was apt. This is a deconstructed cottage pie. Since my family has enjoyed for years what we call "camp potatoes" (which is everything here layered except the hamburger and milk), we would love this. This could be cooked in tin foil on a fire or on a barbeque. Thanks again for the method.
NW Ontario. Raised in Sault Ste. Marie. We call it ground meat. We rarely, if ever, buy beef, typically it's pork, moose, deer, elk and bison. Love Julie's sweater! Gorgeous!
Hey Glen, here in south central Kentucky its always been hamburger meat if you are buying it at the grocery. Thanks for all the great content.
My mother in law, who is 82 and grew up on a farm near Guelph, Ontario, always says "hamburg". My husband continues the tradition, which I find cute. I myself belong to the "ground beef" school of thought. Amazingly, we all get along ;)
Nice one. I did variations on this. My mum used to call it Raw Fry. And, when times got hard, the minced beef or lamb was left out. A plate of crispy, slow roasted thinly sliced potato and onions and Veg always went down very well. And there were always the crispy potatoes that stuck to the pan were wonderful.
That’s an interesting reference. What area is your family from?
Plymouth, Devon. In the UK.
My grandma was born in 1921 in Pennsylvania and definitely still called it hamburger in the 80s and 90s. I'm pretty sure her 90 year old sister in law still uses the term, she's also from PA.
Here in Sweden "hamburger meat" has ended up meaning horse meat. Stores would sell ground beef, ground pork, and "hamburger". It was a generic term for ground meat, but the generic term wasn't really used for beef or pork.
It was the "mystery meat".
I grew up in the 50's in LA California, and ground horsemeat was common in butcher shops.
Very interesting!
Here in western New England, it’s still homburg. Salt, pepper, butter and onions were the primary seasonings of my childhood too. Love your background info. Thanks, Glen.
Looks like a good basic recipe. I bet if you mixed a can of mushroom soup to the milk and grated some cheese over it before cooking it would be really good. When I was a kid in the 70’s my cousins made mock duck when they invited us for supper. I still remember that meal. 😮
And a couple of shakes of Worchestershire sauce.
@@dianebourne6297 Yes, Worcestershire sauce was exactly what I was thinking too!
A can of mushroom soup was the glue that made up many of my casserole favs.
SO I grew up in the 40's/50's in a small farming community in Southern Ontario that my father and Grandfather did all their own butchering. We always called our "ground beef" hamburg. Salt and onions were the queen of the kitchen. Thank you so much Glen for bringing back a wee bit of my childhood.
Sounds like kids would like it. Simple, non-spicy, no mystery ingredients. Just the kind of thing our grandchildren would eat with no complaining.
My parents were older (1934, 1949) and I do remember growing up with hamburger, also growing up we would get all diff varieties of ground beef, ground chuck was the main thing they would get.
😂😂 I love the explanation of ordering from a catalog! Makes me feel ancient, but I loved it!
I grew up in Fort Erie Ontario in the early 60's and have lived in rural Texas south of Dallas since the mid 80's. The food language differences between the two places is amazing. The flavours themselves are as well for that matter.
I look forward to watching your history lesson of recipes!
I grew up in Michigan (mother was from California). We always called it Hamburger. Over time, I started to think of Hamburger as having a higher fat content than, say, ground chuck, or ground sirloin, but a higher meat content than the "soy burger" we started buying in the early '70s, when inflation was high, and the cost of meat went up (some percentage of was soy added to the beef to extend it, and it came in 3 lb logs).
I'm 30 years old, from Ohio in the U.S.
My grandmother called it hamburg. Thanks for making me think of my grandma, Glen. ❤
Love your videos.
We call it chopped meat like my mother (b. 1928) and grandmother (b. 1900) did here in NY. Great videos as always.
My mother's family called it chopped meat too. Her father had a butcher shop in a suburb of NYC.
Yes! Was looking for the NYC/Westchester County people.
It sort of comes out like, "chop meat," though🙂
My grandmother (Scottish decent, also) cooked through the depression era and she always called it hamburg. I don't think she ever lost the thriftiness of having to live through that time. Nothing ever wasted. She even saved tin foil, wiped off wax paper for second sandwich wraps, etc 😊😊
Hearing “hamburg” again makes me smile; that’s what my Memere called it when I’d visit her in “Little Canada” in Lowell, Mass.
“Mémère”! I never called my grand-mother that (although it’s a common French Canadian thing) but my American cousins did call her that, and “pépère” for my grand-father. I love seeing the word in your comment.
@@l.c.6282that custom of calling grandparents by Mémère and Pépère seems to be dwindling, especially since the awareness from the internet that there are other terms being used. I think anyway
Glen I'm from Connecticut, US and me and my family have always called it hamburger.
Hello, this is the wife of pictured. I am , and my mother is from NC. She always called it hamburger meat. My husband's mother in Australia calls it minced beef. Thanks for your lovely channel. I always enjoy it!
My sister in law came from a mom who was widowed very young so she worked long hours to support 5 kids. One of the dishes my sister in law made was scalloped potatoes with hot dogs. And funnily enough it was good.
Growing up in Detroit it was called hamburger in the grocery stores and it is what we ate too. You might see packages of ground chuck next to packages of ground hamburger, which I understood to simply have a higher fat content than ground chuck or ground round that was sold and it was significantly cheeper too. When I moved 2 hours north to Bay City in the 90s, they called it hamburg. "We went to McDonald's for hamburgs last night." Same state, two different words for the same thing. The smaller grocery stores sold ground hamburg meat. I never could get used to that. Also, in Michigan we say "going to the grocery store" or "going to the store." I've noticed writers of movies and TV shows taking place in Michigan, always get it wrong, when they say "going to the supermarket"or " going to the market". I have never heard anyone say "going to the market" in Michigan. That drives me crazy.
Otn Manitoba , Canada (Winnipeg, Gimli) we ' go to town " or ' go to the store" too and everywhere, here understands what you mean. Unless it's Costco! 😂
Can of cream of mushroom soup. Mmmmm so good. Escallop potatoes!
You all in the comments are such treasures! It's like talking to my aunts and uncles.
Growing up in the seventies here in Ohio USA we called it hamburger. Today ground beef.
Hii Glen, Poplar Hill is to the north west of London Ontario. I remember going to family picnics there in the 1950"s. Love your show.
Essentially what Mom used to make every two weeks or so going on 60 years ago from Tennessee....
Greetings, Sunday morning folks! Where I grew up in Nebraska, we bought and cooked with hamburger The Better Homes & Gardens cookbook (red and white plaid ring binder cover) had a cottage pie recipe called Hamburger Pie, a childhood favorite.
That was an excellent cookbook back in the 70's.
Kansas here, mom from Missouri. We called it hamburger. I saw this recipe and had to try it.
We're having a big cold front move through, and this just sounded fantastic. I made it tonight using my great aunt's vintage baking dish, and oh my gosh! This tastes exactly like my grandmother's cooking. I had tears.
Thank you so much for everything you both do to share these gems. ❤
Maritimes - NB - here. I'm 48 and it's been "Hamburg" or "Hamburger" all my life. I still remember how my mom would say Hamburg too.
I love simple recipes like this! We always called (and still do) ground beef hamburg or hamburger.
I grew up in southern Ohio, my dad's family was from Kentucky. We always called it hamburger. Now living in northern Ohio, hear both up here.
Thanks for this, Glenn. This escalloped hamburger is very similar to a dish I grew up on, depression food that came from my father’s family, farmers near Petrolia ON. This is the first time I’m seeing it outside my family. We did it with layers in a pot, water rather than milk, and cooked on the stovetop with a lid on. It was served with ketchup or HP sauce.
Born in 1972 in Michigan. To me, it’s always hamburg. I buy hamburg buns, eat cheeseburgs, etc. This has changed with younger generations. My husband, who grew up in Florida, was baffled by this usage when we got together. 😂
My 91-year-old grandmother, who's lived in Chicago for her whole life, absolutely still calls ground beef "hamburger," so I've grown used to it!
My great grandmother, grandmother, and mother both called it hamburg. I was born in 71
In northern California.....
My grandparents always bought hamburg, and we would come over for hamburgs cooked on the barbecue on sundees (Sundays) . They lived in Pete-a-bur (Peterborough)
My Dad grew up in Missouri and Mom in Minnesota, I grew up in the Central Valley of California and we always called ground beef hamburger.
I'm totally digging the single and double digit phone numbers.
My mother from Pennsylvania Dutch country always used the word Hamburg for both ground beef and ground meat of another source such as pork or lamb.
Mike in South Carolina
Growing up in southwest Nebraska in 70s and 80s most of my family called it hamburger rather than ground beef. I still do it now and then
I’m from Iowa. We still call it hamburger. As a kid I was told in school we called it that because it started in Hamburg.
I love that the phone numbers had 1 or 2 digits. I remember my grandmother’s phone number in a small Massachusetts town, had 4 digits. No need to dial the exchange if you wanted to contact someone in the area.
In my 63 years here in Buffalo, NY, I've only met two people who said "Hamburg " when talking about ground beef. They're older than me (a little) and came from North Tonawanda, the suburb in Niagara county. Off Topic: if any one wants grapenuts cereal and lives close enough to Buffalo, Tops Markets has it in North Buffalo. Thanks for another interesting video, Glen!
Growing up in Iowa, and certainly still in my family, it's hamburger.
Lived the 1st 14 yrs in Saskatchewan--with relatives in Alberta and BC. My hubby is Ottawa born and raised. That's we are. Hamburger is the meat you buy, hamburgers are what you make.
I've never heard anyone say, "Im making hamburger tonight." ... meat is singular, the hot sandwich is plural, yes? 😁
My mother was born in 1935, grew up in northwestern Pennsylvania, near Lake Erie, and she occasionally called ground beef hamburger.
In Minnesota it’s hot dish and growing up in the 70sit was hamburger, now it’s ground beef in ads but I still write hamburger on the grocery list
I'm almost 77 and was raised in western Maryland on a farm. No spices either other than salt - and I actually don't remember pepper - though it was probably on the table. I still use only a tiny bit of pepper, but do use garlic and onion powder. I am a product of my upbringing. As an Army vet and then a military wife I was introduced to all kinds of cooking and spices -- but still go back to the country ways.
This is standard comfort food. Probably we’ve all had this more often than not.
Glen & Friends Cooking's latest episode of the Old Cookbook Show. Glen takes us on a journey back to 1936 with a recreation of the Escalloped Hamburg recipe from the "Golden Jubilee Recipes 1886 to 1936" cookbook, courtesy of the Ladies Aid Society of the Poplar Hill Church of Christ in Ontario.
Glen begins the episode by providing historical context, giving us insight into the community church cookbook and its significance in preserving culinary traditions of the era. The focus on baking and sweets, alongside glimpses into local businesses, sets the stage for a delightful culinary adventure.
The recipe itself, Escalloped Hamburg, is simple yet intriguing. Glen meticulously layers hamburg steak with thin slices of raw potatoes and finely chopped onions, seasoned with salt and pepper, and dotted with butter. The alternating layers build anticipation for the final dish.
As Glen expertly assembles the ingredients, his attention to detail and passion for historical cooking shines through. The addition of milk to moisten the dish before baking adds a comforting touch, reminiscent of home-cooked meals from yesteryears.
Once the Escalloped Hamburg is assembled, Glen guides us through the baking process, emphasizing the importance of a moderately hot oven for optimal results. The anticipation builds as the aroma fills the kitchen, transporting us back to rural Ontario in the 1930s.
Upon tasting the finished dish, Glen's & Julia's enthusiasm is palpable. The combination of tender hamburg steak, perfectly cooked potatoes, and onions infused with buttery goodness evokes nostalgia for simpler times. The flavors harmonize beautifully, showcasing the culinary prowess of 1930s home cooks.
In conclusion, Glen & Friends Cooking's recreation of the Escalloped Hamburg recipe is a testament to the enduring appeal of vintage cooking. Through meticulous research and culinary skill, Glen brings history to life, inviting us to savor the flavors of a bygone era. Whether you're a history buff or a food enthusiast, this episode is sure to captivate and inspire.
Excellent
You are right about getting spices, But few had checks. Money orders were so much more common. Other than that I still love your banter about the environment surrounding the times the recipes were created. Mike in South Carolina. Born in Canada.
My grandmother, who was born and grew up in eastern Washington and later moved to southern Idaho, always called it hamburg. And it meant what we often call ground beef now, although we usually call it hamburger in our family.
My favorite part of the presentation, even if I don’t care for the recipe.
The grandkids in the family are always surprised at how much I use hamburger patties in all kinds of dishes. Growing up in the 70s I remember my dad saying dinner would be Burgers - for us that always meant home grilled burgers in buns with potato chips. McDonalds was a long long drive away. A&W Root Beer drive in was an annual adventure as it was on the other side of the city.
You brought back memories of my mom!! She had a recipe she called "burger rice stew"... ground beef with diced carrots and peas, served on a bed of rice. As kids we would drown it in ketchup.
My family goes back to 1630 in Massachusetts. I grew up with Hamburg and Frankfurters, rather than ground beef and hot dogs. A dinner staple was “Baked Hamburg”, which was Hamburg pressed down into a brownie pan, brushed with yellow mustard, a layer of sliced onion, and finally salt and pepper. Baked until medium well, then cut into squares and served along potato and veg.
Also, we had both “hot dogs” and “frankfurters”. “Hot dog” was fried or grilled frankfurter(never boiled or steamed), served on a bun. “Frankfurters” were boiled frankfurters served with sour kraut, or even cooked in the sour kraut in a pot on the stove. No bun.
Finally, frank and beans were served with canned brown bread rather than with hot dog buns and we often had it on the traditional Saturday night supper.
My husband's paternal grandmother lived in Erie PA and always called it Hamburg.
I grew up calling it hamburger (southern Ontario). My husband is English and calls it mince. I make a variation of this recipe (which we called Mom's casserole), the variation being that we layer it meat/potatoes/onions/tomato soup (undiluted). I still use the same casserole dish that my mom used - talk about taking me back to my childhood in the 60's!
Love the two digit phone numbers in the cookbook
I live in the desert southwest of the United States, and my mother and grandmother both used the terms ground beef and hamburger interchangeably. FYI: My grandmother was born in 1906, and my mother was born in 1934.
I love salt and pepper as the main seasonings. Along with onions, celery, and carrots there are a plethora of dishes you can make.
I grew up in Missouri and we always called it “hamburger”, as in “would you thaw some hamburger tonight? I’m going to make a meatloaf”.
I'm 60 and have lived my whole life in Mississauga, Ontario, just outside of Toronto. My mom always called it hamburg. That included the beef itself as well as the sandwich. One of my dad's favourites on our rare restaurant visits was the hot hamburg, an open faced hamburger with bread instead of a bun and covered in gravy and usually served with mashed potatoes and peas. I think Glen made it on the channel a year or two ago.
I also grew up in Southern Ontario and remember my parents, who would be over 100, refer to it as hamburg meat. We also didn't do spices. My father's family was convinced that spices would give us ulcers. Horseradish was ok. That was probably because the Woodman's horseradish farm was his backyard when he was a kid.
As a child in the 70s here in BC, I always heard it referred to as hamburger by my family. 'Hamburger gravy' over rice or mashed potatoes with peas on the side was a treat.
I'm from Gananoque, Ontario and we always said hamburger.
I grew up in New Hampshire, we always referred to ground beef as hamburger. My mom was a very plain cook and my dad was a meat and potatoes person. Salt, pepper and butter were about all the seasonings we had until I was old enough to do some of the cooking. When I was out on my own, I really started trying new spices.
I live in Missouri and in my family it was just "hamburger" for spaghetti, meatloaf or hamburgers. Love this recipe, it will be on my cook list.
My mom grew up in northern Minnesota and she always called it hamburger and called this type of recipe a casserole or hot dish.
I live in central Texas but I grew up with a very British mother. She called it hamburger, I call it hamburger. The grocery stores call it ground beef.
I'm from southern Ontario too, so I definitely grew up hearing hamburg or hamburger to mean ground beef. I don't think I ever heard my grandma say ground beef.
And spot on about spicing. My grandma only knew two spices... Salt and pepper. Maybe paprika for special occasions.