Likely a coronal mass ejection (CME). Jerry Grover examines evidence for this in “Calendars and Chronology of the Book of Mormon” which you can read for free as a PDF
There was no mention of a star in the New Testament until the wisemen came 1-2 years later. The record of the star was to the nephites. Wouldn’t it be possible that the wisemen of the East were nephites. That was their sign. And from the east was representative of a righteous place, which would have been the promised land. It would have taken about that time length to travel to Jerusalem. They would have understood the ways of the Jews, with gold, frankincense and myrrh. Everything fits to have it be the nephites.
@@jesshawkins6496 v14 is exactly the verse I feel verifies the theory. It's a little too on the nose to specify 'wise men.' Plus, 'glad tidings of great joy' echos Luke 2:10. Helaman: And angels did appear unto men, wise men, and did declare unto them glad tidings of great joy; thus in this year the scriptures began to be fulfilled. Luke: And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Always good to learn new perspectives. It is often difficult to separate literal vs figurative and symbolic when reading the scriptures. For example, I think there is a literal star that appeared, but in Matthew 2:9, after they met with Herod, it says, "the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was." I have often wondered if it is an angel at this point that is leading them, and if an angel appeared when the star did before they started their journey to herald Christ's birth.
I love this topic, and its one of my pet peeves that we as "the true church" still buy into so many of these false traditions. Im sure youll bring it up in part two, but i cringe when the mean 'ol inkeeper is mentioned in Christmas devotional talks. Even the great James E Talmage got that wrong in Jesus the Christ - an inkeeper is never mentioned in the scriptures! I hope you talk.a bit about the shephards too. Lots of cool stuff in this topic.
I've always thought that there could have been a kilonova (small super nova) that was executed just as the sun would have been setting, or it could have been a small cloud of space dust that would come in at the same time. It just depends on what the earth went though all those years ago.
Wow! Grinch/Scrooge, thanks for ruining Christmas for me!! Just Kidding. Actually very fascinating. A reminder that so much of what we accept in news and especially history is wrong when we get the real story. Modern LDS culture and history we accept as facts isn't immune from this either. Thanks Bruce and Kevin. I always want to know the truth. Not biased accounts or even deceit of the victors. It is actually hard to find or distinguish.
For me, there are 3 categories of Christmas songs: 1. Holy, worshipful songs that declare the divinity of the Savior and His birth. (Silent Night, Joy to the World, etc) 2. Silly, but harmless songs more about the season, nothing to do with the gospel. (Jingle Bells, Rudolf the Red Nose Reindeer, etc) 3. Evil, horrible songs that lie about the divine birth of Jesus Christ. Topping this list is “Do You Hear What I Hear?” Jesus’ birth was NOT whispered by the night wind, a little lamb did NOT hear it, the little lamb did NOT tell a shepherd boy, the boy did NOT tell the mighty king and the mighty king absolutely did NOT tell the people everywhere to bring Jesus silver and gold and promise that Jesus will bring us goodness and light. That entire song is an absolute lie and it will not be played in my home. It is mockery.
To me, song #3 above is symbolic of how all creation rejoiced at the birth of the Creator, and it expresses hope that all people will one day worship that King.
119 ministries also did a good documentary on this subject called The Christmas question? I’ll put link below❤ ua-cam.com/video/Yei17uJeKuw/v-deo.htmlsi=NhGrL8JEDyH3iKjg
I hate to be a negative Nancy, but what is the point of this conversation? Seriously. I’ll go home and swap out my A frame manger with a shelf in a cave. Everything else had a , probably, maybe might of, could of attached to it. That does not mean it’s correct. That falls into the category of we don’t know. Who cares what lit the sky, how people traveled across the desert, or if a carpenter handled wood or stone. None of this qualifies as false traditions that need any correction.
Or how about we stop guessing and trying to fit a “naturalistic” and secular view into things that are clearly super natural… at least super natural to us…. It’s ok to not have an answer or be able to explain everything away…
Kevin! We finally see your face! You are one of the UA-cam personalities that I truly, truly respect. Thank you for all your insights over the years!
What was it that lit up the sky on the American continent at the birth of Christ? That made a day and a night and day as one day?
Likely a coronal mass ejection (CME). Jerry Grover examines evidence for this in “Calendars and Chronology of the Book of Mormon” which you can read for free as a PDF
There was no mention of a star in the New Testament until the wisemen came 1-2 years later. The record of the star was to the nephites. Wouldn’t it be possible that the wisemen of the East were nephites. That was their sign. And from the east was representative of a righteous place, which would have been the promised land. It would have taken about that time length to travel to Jerusalem. They would have understood the ways of the Jews, with gold, frankincense and myrrh. Everything fits to have it be the nephites.
This has been my assumption. Samuel and Nephi disappear from the land. I suspect they might have decided to take a long journey westward.
I've wondered this myself, especially considering Helamen 16:13-14.
@@jesshawkins6496 v14 is exactly the verse I feel verifies the theory. It's a little too on the nose to specify 'wise men.' Plus, 'glad tidings of great joy' echos Luke 2:10.
Helaman: And angels did appear unto men, wise men, and did declare unto them glad tidings of great joy; thus in this year the scriptures began to be fulfilled.
Luke: And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Always good to learn new perspectives. It is often difficult to separate literal vs figurative and symbolic when reading the scriptures. For example, I think there is a literal star that appeared, but in Matthew 2:9, after they met with Herod, it says, "the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was." I have often wondered if it is an angel at this point that is leading them, and if an angel appeared when the star did before they started their journey to herald Christ's birth.
It’s Matthew 2:9
Thanks! Not sure how I overlooked such an obvious mistake. 😅 @vanessadurst669
I love this topic, and its one of my pet peeves that we as "the true church" still buy into so many of these false traditions.
Im sure youll bring it up in part two, but i cringe when the mean 'ol inkeeper is mentioned in Christmas devotional talks. Even the great James E Talmage got that wrong in Jesus the Christ - an inkeeper is never mentioned in the scriptures!
I hope you talk.a bit about the shephards too. Lots of cool stuff in this topic.
Interesting to know that Jesus was not a carpenter, but a mason.
False traditions on keeping the Sabbath day holy is a must
Huh?
Suggesting a future topic, I’m guessing
@@mattburton4392correct
maybe you should tune in to some general conferences for that information, not a UA-camr
I've always thought that there could have been a kilonova (small super nova) that was executed just as the sun would have been setting, or it could have been a small cloud of space dust that would come in at the same time. It just depends on what the earth went though all those years ago.
Wow! Grinch/Scrooge, thanks for ruining Christmas for me!!
Just Kidding. Actually very fascinating. A reminder that so much of what we accept in news and especially history is wrong when we get the real story.
Modern LDS culture and history we accept as facts isn't immune from this either. Thanks Bruce and Kevin. I always want to know the truth. Not biased accounts or even deceit of the victors. It is actually hard to find or distinguish.
Navigation by stars Im sure the wise men used!
For me, there are 3 categories of Christmas songs:
1. Holy, worshipful songs that declare the divinity of the Savior and His birth. (Silent Night, Joy to the World, etc)
2. Silly, but harmless songs more about the season, nothing to do with the gospel. (Jingle Bells, Rudolf the Red Nose Reindeer, etc)
3. Evil, horrible songs that lie about the divine birth of Jesus Christ. Topping this list is “Do You Hear What I Hear?” Jesus’ birth was NOT whispered by the night wind, a little lamb did NOT hear it, the little lamb did NOT tell a shepherd boy, the boy did NOT tell the mighty king and the mighty king absolutely did NOT tell the people everywhere to bring Jesus silver and gold and promise that Jesus will bring us goodness and light.
That entire song is an absolute lie and it will not be played in my home. It is mockery.
To me, song #3 above is symbolic of how all creation rejoiced at the birth of the Creator, and it expresses hope that all people will one day worship that King.
What are your thoughts about mormon doctrine
Very informative
Exactly right!
119 ministries also did a good documentary on this subject called The Christmas question? I’ll put link below❤
ua-cam.com/video/Yei17uJeKuw/v-deo.htmlsi=NhGrL8JEDyH3iKjg
I watched this on your suggestion.
It was very educational and worthwhile. Thank you for sharing.
My own inspiration on the star is that it was the city of Enoch here to celebrate the birth of the Savior
I hate to be a negative Nancy, but what is the point of this conversation? Seriously. I’ll go home and swap out my A frame manger with a shelf in a cave.
Everything else had a , probably, maybe might of, could of attached to it. That does not mean it’s correct. That falls into the category of we don’t know.
Who cares what lit the sky, how people traveled across the desert, or if a carpenter handled wood or stone.
None of this qualifies as false traditions that need any correction.
I found this very interesting. The story of JESUS'S birth should be told correctly. i love listening to Bruce Porter.
We speculate about things. As we do not have definite answers. Faith is what we need.
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Palestine? Never knew it was called Palestine. 11:30
Do you watch the Ben shapiro show.
Or how about we stop guessing and trying to fit a “naturalistic” and secular view into things that are clearly super natural… at least super natural to us…. It’s ok to not have an answer or be able to explain everything away…
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