While I get she was making a point, comparing Dr. Ratio to Acheron was just a bad comparsion. Acheron is broken yes, but that doesnt mean Dr. Ratio is bad. Im assuming she thinks he is bad because she doesnt have units to support Dr. Ratio and I guess thats a issue when starting out. Also the point about guide videos is mostly aimed for mostly end game accounts not really for new players, there are a bunch of videos aimed at new players on what to do. Still she is just speaking her mind, so lets just disagree and move on
The joke is that she "does" have the units to help support Ratio. She just isn't putting them on his team. The thing with her "speaking her mind" is.. of course, that's fine. But she's framing it as "this is an issue in the community we need to fix." And if you're going to say something as fact without good evidence, then it's fair game to disagree with that.
12:00 this argument is shit ngl. Ratio is a limited 5* character as well. Just because we got him for free (which he will no longer be after 2.1) does not mean he is not a premium summonable character. He can and should be compared to other premium options, us getting a free copy should not change that.
Yeah I shouldve changed that to "compairing HER Ratio to Acheron is flawed". It's very fair to compare limited 5 stars. As a Jing Yuan main until Acheron came out. I know that pain well. But for "HER" specific situation. When pulling for Acheron she got curated 4 stars that work well with Acheron (Pela and Gallagher). Both Ratio and Acheron are fairly gimmicky characters that need teammates to follow that gimmick. If your getting those teammates while you pull, of course your getting a better team on. ...also she pulled Acheron's Light Cone. So comparing that to Ratio is yeahhhh.
that hex video is A bad take for because the problem is she comparing Ratio to Acheron ratio is Not a bad DPS is just Acheron is soo broken that she Stomp on ever Dps in the game but if you compare ratio to other DPS (except Acheron) he's one of the Best F2P friendly DPS because you literally get for free and Who are you going Build except for Him when you don't have any Other Dps on the Start of the game might as well build him (also that Secret Knowledge thing is Just so Funny to me) (my Wording might be all over the place im sorry)
Exactly! Just because Acheron is better than Ratio, that doesn't mean Ratio is bad. Also, comparing a free 5 Star vs a 5 Star you pulled WITH A SIGNATURE lightcone. Is insane lol
This is my problem with most casuals. They don't bother to learn the game itself then complain about why everything doesn't work well for them. Some people just maybe too addicted in gamba and that's all they care about.
See, I think the issue is "most" casuals just do whatever and just vibe. Just play the story and enjoy the characters. But this person's issue is they are trying to RUSH endgame, without even being ready to take it on. So of course thats gonna lead to fustrations.
Bro how do ppl complain about a free5* that they didn't do anything to get and when people tell f2p to build ratio and she builds ratio(probably a bad build) and uses a team with no debuffers so his fua aren't consistent then complains that he doesn't perform good cuz I'm f2p and he's shredding moc elites with minimum issues silverwolf just makes life so much easier with ratio 1 skill and you dont have to worry about missing any fua
It's just strange. Tbh different DPS have different roles. And ESPECIALLY in Star Rail you are encouraged to use different teams for different situations. (Ex. Using the MoC and PF buffs to your advantage might be better than brute force). I think you "can" compare Seele and Acheron in a "general" DPS sense. But if you wanna go in depth they both have their own strengths and weaknesses in different areas.
The HSR guidemakers are becoming more stuck up as they try to force this narrative repetitively. I already unsubscribed to some of them after fighting their own audience about Seele/JingYuan comparison to other DPS. Especially for "theorycrafters" who you would assume to be smart enough to make any character work in any instances and prove that you don't have to pull for new character every update.
@@Madcattus True like I said to someone else Aventurine is just better than Fu Xuan. They took it as me saying Fu Xuan is unplayable. No he is just slightly better for more things besides you want 2 teams and having 2 solo sustains like these would make life infinitly easier.
Actually people definitely did say you needed her lc before pivoting to it not being necessary. I get why a new player would think that means you shouldn't pull unless you can get her lc too.
My only argument there, is people were saying that BEFORE she was released. Once the general playerbase started playing her, that consensus changed. So at that point it depends who you went to for the guide.
But like how new is really new? Like 3 day until her banner end or some? Cuz like if that “new” player account has going for a week, i swear on my fkin bloodline they can GUARANTEED any character E0S1. I dont get why people talking like new player doesnt have like 50k Jades to spend for free.
I think she meant acorn's technique allows you to insta kill small mobs so it saves time farming and in simulated universe so according to hex thats her utility oustide of dps
I can see that yeah. But nothing about that is in active battle. Saving time from random battles is nice. But at the most your just saving time. For example, one of her big evidence points was MoC. Acheron killing small mobs isnt a utility that can work here.
@@MeteorFalcon yes i didn't see her original vid so i didn't know what context she was saying "utility outside of dps" so I'd just assumed that was about killing small mobs 😮💨
also i skip Acheron for this reason I don't like Acheron because She's too Broken i don't to bench my other DPS because of her I love my unit and i like using them
For us new players it was real hard to build ratio because to build him properly we needed to kill that bug boss for the weekly materials.. Also that mission will be a pain without Acheron, cause of those enemy bugs flying around.. Without her you can’t one shot them.. I feel bad for those who couldn’t get her and have to deal with everything enemy walking around
@@bachtran1735 Can’t be running around with a “rent” character lol that would be amazing if Hoyo lets you do that… and if you reach that boss, let’s say at a high world level he is a pain just like Phantylia.
I think shes right...for ratio to work u need debuffing characters without it how can he be f2p friendly at the start of the game.He is a good character from mid game. and without relics debuffs wont land so till trailblaze 50 no relics of 5 star quality
Can someone tell me what the "Secret Knowledge" is?
Smth from sumeru idk
While I get she was making a point, comparing Dr. Ratio to Acheron was just a bad comparsion. Acheron is broken yes, but that doesnt mean Dr. Ratio is bad. Im assuming she thinks he is bad because she doesnt have units to support Dr. Ratio and I guess thats a issue when starting out. Also the point about guide videos is mostly aimed for mostly end game accounts not really for new players, there are a bunch of videos aimed at new players on what to do. Still she is just speaking her mind, so lets just disagree and move on
The joke is that she "does" have the units to help support Ratio. She just isn't putting them on his team.
The thing with her "speaking her mind" is.. of course, that's fine. But she's framing it as "this is an issue in the community we need to fix."
And if you're going to say something as fact without good evidence, then it's fair game to disagree with that.
12:00 this argument is shit ngl. Ratio is a limited 5* character as well. Just because we got him for free (which he will no longer be after 2.1) does not mean he is not a premium summonable character. He can and should be compared to other premium options, us getting a free copy should not change that.
Yeah I shouldve changed that to "compairing HER Ratio to Acheron is flawed".
It's very fair to compare limited 5 stars. As a Jing Yuan main until Acheron came out. I know that pain well.
But for "HER" specific situation. When pulling for Acheron she got curated 4 stars that work well with Acheron (Pela and Gallagher).
Both Ratio and Acheron are fairly gimmicky characters that need teammates to follow that gimmick. If your getting those teammates while you pull, of course your getting a better team on.
...also she pulled Acheron's Light Cone. So comparing that to Ratio is yeahhhh.
@@MeteorFalcon now that i agree with
that hex video is A bad take for because the problem is she comparing Ratio to Acheron
ratio is Not a bad DPS is just Acheron is soo broken that she Stomp on ever Dps in the game
but if you compare ratio to other DPS (except Acheron) he's one of the Best F2P friendly DPS because you literally get for free and Who are you going Build except for Him when you don't have any Other Dps on the Start of the game
might as well build him
(also that Secret Knowledge thing is Just so Funny to me)
(my Wording might be all over the place im sorry)
Exactly!
Just because Acheron is better than Ratio, that doesn't mean Ratio is bad.
Also, comparing a free 5 Star vs a 5 Star you pulled WITH A SIGNATURE lightcone. Is insane lol
This is my problem with most casuals. They don't bother to learn the game itself then complain about why everything doesn't work well for them. Some people just maybe too addicted in gamba and that's all they care about.
See, I think the issue is "most" casuals just do whatever and just vibe. Just play the story and enjoy the characters.
But this person's issue is they are trying to RUSH endgame, without even being ready to take it on. So of course thats gonna lead to fustrations.
Bro how do ppl complain about a free5* that they didn't do anything to get and when people tell f2p to build ratio and she builds ratio(probably a bad build) and uses a team with no debuffers so his fua aren't consistent then complains that he doesn't perform good cuz I'm f2p and he's shredding moc elites with minimum issues silverwolf just makes life so much easier with ratio 1 skill and you dont have to worry about missing any fua
0 Examples and 0 Explaining is the TLDR for her takes pretty much
Finally someone with common sense. Do you also agree that comparing Seele to Acheron is also not good?
It's just strange. Tbh different DPS have different roles.
And ESPECIALLY in Star Rail you are encouraged to use different teams for different situations. (Ex. Using the MoC and PF buffs to your advantage might be better than brute force).
I think you "can" compare Seele and Acheron in a "general" DPS sense. But if you wanna go in depth they both have their own strengths and weaknesses in different areas.
@@MeteorFalcon Exactly! However whenever I see Seele being compared to Acheron. It is just a comparison of their highest instance of damage.
The HSR guidemakers are becoming more stuck up as they try to force this narrative repetitively. I already unsubscribed to some of them after fighting their own audience about Seele/JingYuan comparison to other DPS. Especially for "theorycrafters" who you would assume to be smart enough to make any character work in any instances and prove that you don't have to pull for new character every update.
@@Madcattus True like I said to someone else Aventurine is just better than Fu Xuan. They took it as me saying Fu Xuan is unplayable. No he is just slightly better for more things besides you want 2 teams and having 2 solo sustains like these would make life infinitly easier.
Actually people definitely did say you needed her lc before pivoting to it not being necessary. I get why a new player would think that means you shouldn't pull unless you can get her lc too.
My only argument there, is people were saying that BEFORE she was released. Once the general playerbase started playing her, that consensus changed.
So at that point it depends who you went to for the guide.
But like how new is really new? Like 3 day until her banner end or some? Cuz like if that “new” player account has going for a week, i swear on my fkin bloodline they can GUARANTEED any character E0S1. I dont get why people talking like new player doesnt have like 50k Jades to spend for free.
I think she meant acorn's technique allows you to insta kill small mobs so it saves time farming and in simulated universe so according to hex thats her utility oustide of dps
I can see that yeah. But nothing about that is in active battle. Saving time from random battles is nice. But at the most your just saving time.
For example, one of her big evidence points was MoC. Acheron killing small mobs isnt a utility that can work here.
@@MeteorFalcon yes i didn't see her original vid so i didn't know what context she was saying "utility outside of dps" so I'd just assumed that was about killing small mobs 😮💨
@@maingrader4434 Nah your good, its honestly the best guess. And I didn't even think about it lol
also i skip Acheron for this reason I don't like Acheron because She's too Broken i don't to bench my other DPS because of her
I love my unit and i like using them
For us new players it was real hard to build ratio because to build him properly we needed to kill that bug boss for the weekly materials.. Also that mission will be a pain without Acheron, cause of those enemy bugs flying around.. Without her you can’t one shot them.. I feel bad for those who couldn’t get her and have to deal with everything enemy walking around
You can just fight the Bug for the weekly mats without killing it in the story, that's s function Star Rail let's you do for building purposes.
You can, well, “rent” a strong character from your friendlist to do the boss? I think most people know this but…
@@bachtran1735 Can’t be running around with a “rent” character lol that would be amazing if Hoyo lets you do that… and if you reach that boss, let’s say at a high world level he is a pain just like Phantylia.
I think shes right...for ratio to work u need debuffing characters without it how can he be f2p friendly at the start of the game.He is a good character from mid game.
and without relics debuffs wont land so till trailblaze 50 no relics of 5 star quality
Enemies have much lower eff res at lower world levels so you aint cooking.
@@kazekori9593 no I know some people who started recently and they have stopped using ratio..even I couldn't believe at first
@@akshithsateesh4078 thats probably cos acheron steals all of ratio's good supports.
everything you said applies to Acheron aswell
This also applies to Acheron but in terms of Nihility teammates.
Debuffs aren't super hard to come by. It just depends on what you pull.