@@Kaiju_V A mí no me agrada el trabajo de Naoki Tate... Quizá en otras series funcionará ... Pero en capitulos donde no tiene el tiempo suficiente no deberían ponerlo
I hope so, as far as I see it, the animation team for episode 129 is going to be average. However based on how much time each episode is (1 minute), we can infer that by episode 130 is the last and only one minute left. I really really really hope in episode 130, the final fight's animation and art quality can be at its peak by the best animators. That one minute is going to feel intense! I also hope for an excellent storyboard, but still, I don't want to get my hopes up too much also.
Look Tate is not a bad animator. I heard people saying that they dislike the character art, but I don’t see a problem with it. Everything in this is so fluid and goes together so well. It’s one thing to say that it’s not your cup of tea but to say he’s a bad animator is foolish and uneducated
+Banksenx I don't particularly see the appeal of saying something fluid is automatically good. I like Tate, not because his necessarily fluid, but because he has an interesting sense of timing and dynamism to his animation and drawings on a whole;
@@muricaneagle666 but dragonball did started as a comedy and db is also a cartoon Well in the mind of westerns fans over the top detailed art=animation Since fluid/stretch (which an animation suppose to do) according to ur logic is "bad"
I just would like to help people understand, animation is mixing both art and movement you can't have one without the other, saying tate's art is bad makes him a shit animator is somewhat of a valid criticism but my problem is that I'm unable to find legitamently terrible art from him, maybe a little wonky art but not terrible like people started to say, lots of these insults are just bandwagonned opinions if you want to see the opposite of Tate look at Masahiro Shimanuki with bad movement and great art and most people will say 10/10, like idiots
DenZi Guy It takes far more talent to have good art and good animation than it is to have decent animation with garbage art. It’s pretty stupid and silly to say his art isn’t trash when every fan artist is better than him lol. I can understand the in between frames, but his garbage stillframes have no excuse.
Don't Bother that is something that I hate when people say "decent animation" there isn't that many people you can name that have better movement than him on the show, and also his still frames are not garbage with the lack of time he decides to make movement the priority as oppose to art there are plenty of examples of him with good art and animation, just look at Buu vs Basil he is perfectly capable. Lack of time doesn't warrant anyone to call someones art or animation garbage. (Sorry for sending a paragraph)
I am not Tate's biggest fan: I like the animation in terms of flow of the movements, but I think he ends up sacrificing too much details in terms of artwork.
+Simon D. Liebert I often hear this mis-conception, and although you could say it may have been true for his most rushed work on the series, like, when episodes were literally falling apart, Tate's character art isn't a result of him sacrificing detail for movement. Its more, he approaches his artwork with the view of how his artwork would best serve to enhance his movement.
+Frizen Again, not exactly. Say your an animator, that wants to make an extremely complex cut where the characters morph, say when they're doing a mid-air flip to the ground. The first thing you would consider is the shapes necessary to make the spin as effective as possible, you'd then only draw what was needed to achieve that best possible result. In this situation, adding excessive detail, would only hinder the exaggeration, so you simply wouldn't include those extra details, since they would only harm your work. That's kind of what I mean when I say his artwork is done in service of his animation.
+Frizen Again, a lot of those changes in art style are necessary, because the sort of movement I'm describing isn't supported by the character designs(which are stiff and rigid, and don't really support one single approach to animation). So deviating from them is absolutely necessary to portray the type of movement I'm describing. I would say the new movie designs would far better support different animators approach to animation, in comparison to the current designs. I would say, that if Tate were to animate on the movie, his style wouldn't be as at odds as it is with Supers designs.
@@jazzmazz9214 you were right. too bad Tate himself didn't animate as much as I would've liked. Broly repeatedly beating on Freeza was pretty fun at least lol
0:58, 0:59,1:04,1:19 da igual donde paréis la escena, Tate es el peor animador de la historia, hace daño a los ojos ver esto. 2:16 y aquí claramente está animado por Tu yong-ce, es que es increíble la diferencia de calidad. Cómo puede haber gente que defienda a Tate?
ANIME mean ANIMATION in japanese language. Anime is a cartoon, but with unique characteristic (for japanese anime) artstyle. Sometimes Tate artstyle is.. weird in Dragon Ball, because this series has a characteristic anime artstyle.
He’s getting nerfed by yamamuro though so he cannot do whatever he want but if it was a one piece episode that would’ve been very cool in the next movie i’ll sure get an good highlight ´cause the style of the guy who’s supervising the movie as a more soft and less complicated charadesign
It's quite sad that western fanbase thinks that over detailed art=animation (Which is not true) Squish stretch fluid that's what an animation suppose to do And by way art and animation are different
The special thing about Naomi Tate is that his animation is just smooth and has clean frames
Triggered SpongeBob SquarePants Yu naoki*
Pharaoh M whoops mispelled it
The Blue transformation by Yong Ce-Yu was godly!
El mejor trabajo de Naoki Tate en la serie si dejamos de lado el especial de 1 hora, y sobre Tu Yong-Ce... Magistral, como siempre
Un Wey Sin Vida Social :'v este capitulo es horrible
ayudenme a llegar a los 300 subs No , es buenísimo .
@@Kaiju_V A mí no me agrada el trabajo de Naoki Tate... Quizá en otras series funcionará ... Pero en capitulos donde no tiene el tiempo suficiente no deberían ponerlo
Cómo les puede gustar este animador, es horrible, son pocas veces las que hace un buen trabajo en db, debería seguir en otros animes
En mi opinión me gustó más su trabajo en Buu vs Basil
This is epic
imagine tu yong ce and Naoki Tate working with yuya Takahashi and naotoshi shida!
Gamer_ 267 pretty sure it'll happen in episode 130
I hope so, as far as I see it, the animation team for episode 129 is going to be average. However based on how much time each episode is (1 minute), we can infer that by episode 130 is the last and only one minute left. I really really really hope in episode 130, the final fight's animation and art quality can be at its peak by the best animators. That one minute is going to feel intense! I also hope for an excellent storyboard, but still, I don't want to get my hopes up too much also.
It happened in 110
Kou Music 129 had Karasawa and Nii, how is that average?
Gamer_ 267 TBH it's either Tate and Takahashi or it's Shida. Shida's style doesn't really work with other people's.
Look Tate is not a bad animator. I heard people saying that they dislike the character art, but I don’t see a problem with it. Everything in this is so fluid and goes together so well. It’s one thing to say that it’s not your cup of tea but to say he’s a bad animator is foolish and uneducated
Banksenx
This is NOT fluid animation lol. Go watch Fate/Apocrypha
+Banksenx
I don't particularly see the appeal of saying something fluid is automatically good. I like Tate, not because his necessarily fluid, but because he has an interesting sense of timing and dynamism to his animation and drawings on a whole;
@@muricaneagle666 but dragonball did started as a comedy and db is also a cartoon
Well in the mind of westerns fans over the top detailed art=animation
Since fluid/stretch (which an animation suppose to do) according to ur logic is "bad"
@@dontbother9473 that's not fluid that's call animation over CG
Hamza Mansoor
Fate apocrypha is far more fluid than this shit could ever be.
I just would like to help people understand, animation is mixing both art and movement you can't have one without the other, saying tate's art is bad makes him a shit animator is somewhat of a valid criticism but my problem is that I'm unable to find legitamently terrible art from him, maybe a little wonky art but not terrible like people started to say, lots of these insults are just bandwagonned opinions if you want to see the opposite of Tate look at Masahiro Shimanuki with bad movement and great art and most people will say 10/10, like idiots
Than make masahino shimanuki draw over naoki tate’s animation to keep the good art and good animation
Like Naotoshi Shida + Yuya Takahashi = Good art and animation
Please kill me yeah but Shida already has good art
DenZi Guy
It takes far more talent to have good art and good animation than it is to have decent animation with garbage art. It’s pretty stupid and silly to say his art isn’t trash when every fan artist is better than him lol. I can understand the in between frames, but his garbage stillframes have no excuse.
Don't Bother that is something that I hate when people say "decent animation" there isn't that many people you can name that have better movement than him on the show, and also his still frames are not garbage with the lack of time he decides to make movement the priority as oppose to art there are plenty of examples of him with good art and animation, just look at Buu vs Basil he is perfectly capable. Lack of time doesn't warrant anyone to call someones art or animation garbage. (Sorry for sending a paragraph)
I LIKE NAOKI TATE AND TU YONG CE .
絵よりも魅せ方重視の作画、結構好き
No será el mejor animando pero si el mejor haciendo esos movimientos tan chingones
*dibujando*
0:39 かっこよくてすこ
Tate handles movement beautifully.
And no, there's nothing wrong with the art. It's clean and consistent where it needs to be (i.e. low action shots).
La verdad no me quejo, es demasiado fluido y el dibujo no luce mal en general
2:26 dadadadadadadadada WTF ;-;
They Make a perfect duo...
I see a lot of negative comments here. How sad
I am not Tate's biggest fan: I like the animation in terms of flow of the movements, but I think he ends up sacrificing too much details in terms of artwork.
+Simon D. Liebert
I often hear this mis-conception, and although you could say it may have been true for his most rushed work on the series, like, when episodes were literally falling apart, Tate's character art isn't a result of him sacrificing detail for movement. Its more, he approaches his artwork with the view of how his artwork would best serve to enhance his movement.
+Frizen
Again, not exactly. Say your an animator, that wants to make an extremely complex cut where the characters morph, say when they're doing a mid-air flip to the ground. The first thing you would consider is the shapes necessary to make the spin as effective as possible, you'd then only draw what was needed to achieve that best possible result. In this situation, adding excessive detail, would only hinder the exaggeration, so you simply wouldn't include those extra details, since they would only harm your work.
That's kind of what I mean when I say his artwork is done in service of his animation.
+Frizen
Again, a lot of those changes in art style are necessary, because the sort of movement I'm describing isn't supported by the character designs(which are stiff and rigid, and don't really support one single approach to animation). So deviating from them is absolutely necessary to portray the type of movement I'm describing.
I would say the new movie designs would far better support different animators approach to animation, in comparison to the current designs. I would say, that if Tate were to animate on the movie, his style wouldn't be as at odds as it is with Supers designs.
@@jazzmazz9214 you were right. too bad Tate himself didn't animate as much as I would've liked. Broly repeatedly beating on Freeza was pretty fun at least lol
To yung CE and Naoki Tate together then naotoshi Shida and yuya Takahashi together
What is the music they use while they fighting.
The arms holy shit
やはり高橋優也さんのが一番な気がする
Damn do you appreciate other work
0:58, 0:59,1:04,1:19 da igual donde paréis la escena, Tate es el peor animador de la historia, hace daño a los ojos ver esto. 2:16 y aquí claramente está animado por Tu yong-ce, es que es increíble la diferencia de calidad. Cómo puede haber gente que defienda a Tate?
El diseñador es diferente del animador.
今でもあれなとこあるけどこの人だいぶうまくなりましたね！
つぶあん いやこの人は元々上手いよ、Zの頃からいるし、神作画描いてたりしてるし。
つぶあん
この人が書いたＧＴはうまいですよ！かなり！
多分時間がないんだと思います！
竹花治樹 というより原画やってますからね。この方が一番輝くのが原画です。
Same guy from Epiosde 5
Ok
Yeah you are dumb.
The fighting and the angles look good but the character drawing looks so bad
Draco Malfoy How do they look bad?
ikr tate ruined this ep
Hadi Alhaj Yahya Not really, Tate's animation enhanced the experience and Tu Yong Ce made perfect particle effects.
You ignorant peasants need a dose of animeajay
Meet Lawf Excuse me?
They look like puppets fighting
Tanto que espere esta pelea.. Que dibujos horribles Tate
MrTermi Blas Casco Los dibujos no definen la calidad de la animación , a pesar de los dibujos fuera de modelo la animación sigue siendo buena.
GONZALO ROJAS si tienes razón, pero ten en cuenta que la gente quiere de ambos, tanto calidad de dibujo como de animación
@@fonzoro8896 Si bien la animacion es genial y se siente ese impacto que caracteriza a Tate, es para mi bastante incomodo sus dibujos
@@2n237 Te duele que no me gusten sus dibujos?
@@2n237 Parece que si te duele xD
戦っているシーンはまあまあひどいけどね
竹花治樹 別にあれは動きを重視してるためわざと崩す技法です。
芝居とは
僕には楽しようとしているのではと疑いもあるんですけどね！
あと超ではその技法が多い気もします。Ｚでは見たことがない、、、、ただの勘違いだといいですけど
竹花治樹 ドラゴンボール超だけでなく、最近のアニメにはこのような技法結構見られます。僕の中で好きなのは、高橋さんと志田さんです。
竹花治樹 別に昔の映画やアニメにもある技法ですからね。セル画だからあまりきにならないところもありますからね。この技法はセル画と相性が良いですからね。
zの方が日常とか糞だけどね
Worst animator for Dragon ball Super, Tate is more good for cartoons. Only blue transformation is good.
Jacob Right, cause this isn't a cartoon, right?
ANIME mean ANIMATION in japanese language. Anime is a cartoon, but with unique characteristic (for japanese anime) artstyle. Sometimes Tate artstyle is.. weird in Dragon Ball, because this series has a characteristic anime artstyle.
He’s getting nerfed by yamamuro though so he cannot do whatever he want but if it was a one piece episode that would’ve been very cool in the next movie i’ll sure get an good highlight ´cause the style of the guy who’s supervising the movie as a more soft and less complicated charadesign
Jacob No , the animation is very good .
Jakub Stasiak LOL you sound stupid. Anime means cartoon.
Bad style not adapted to DBS disliked it alot
The man in the Iron Mask ignorant
The man in the Iron Mask No
It's quite sad that western fanbase thinks that over detailed art=animation (Which is not true)
Squish stretch fluid that's what an animation suppose to do
And by way art and animation are different