@@tonydaniel8509 Absolutely, all things came into existence through Almighty God Jehovah including Jesus. By his own admission, Jesus does nothing without the Father's direction and approval. The preachers need to stop promoting Jesus to be equal with Jehovah, he isn't.
@@djparsons7363 there's 9 different Jehova names. Jireh, Nissi, Shammah, Rafa. Jesus means = Jehova has become our salvation. God became the perfect sacrifice. Every knee shall bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Be blessed in Jesus name.
@@BrentonHobson-w3r God could NEVER be the perfect sacrifice, God cannot die! That's such a ridiculous belief, trying to make Jesus into God when he is far beneath Jehovah; if Jehovah didn't resurrect Jesus he would STILL be in his tomb. There's way too much ignorance being promoted as truth, Jesus is a powerful King and Judge because Jehovah gave him that authority! (John 8:28) ..... I DO NOTHING OF MY OWN INITIATIVE; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things.
My sister is Pentecostal too, but she doesn't go to a Oneness church. I struggle to explain things like this in terms she can understand. You are a great reference for me to help show the truth. Thank you.
I have always said " he says Father ( John 11:38-39 So the people would hear him ) as an example . Luke 11:1-2 the disciples asked Jesus, teach us how to pray ? ( SAY OUR FATHER ) 🎉
Great teaching. Hopefully people grasp this. Many will argue against it without even listening. But those who have ears! They will grasp it. I’ll never forget the day God revealed to me who Jesus is. And the scripture he opened my eyes with.👍
@@compositesquare I believe he was including his angels in the conversation as they were present at creation. Job 38. Although I recognize there are other legitimate views on this. Such as the one brother Bernard leans towards. Some think the royal we, although I don’t really see any validity to that one.
@@revamp6612 "I believe he was including his angels in the conversation as they were present at creation. Job 38." Jon 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? Is Job 38:33 the same as Genesis 1:1?
Yeah , I just posted that . He says Father so the people would hear him read John 11:41-42 ...As an example ( Luke 11:1-2 the disciples asked Jesus? Teach us how to pray, Jesus said," Say Our Father ) ! God Bless Everyone In Jesus Mighty Name 🎉
This is excellent. There seems to be a shift toward more clarity in the classical "Incarnation theory". It seems using the term "identity of GOD" to equate with Logos is a more robust view of what becomes flesh as well as how the manifestation takes place. Much difficulty arises if we simply or crassly transition from John 1:1 to vs14 without considering GOD is SPIRIT and He cannot change bodily or "incarnate" as SPIRIT but to see the identity of GOD becomes one with the identity of a human is indeed consistent with other Apostolic proclamation such as Acts 2:36 and 1 Cor 15:45.
Jesus, the Son of God, prayed and received strength and help as a MAN, fully human as we are! He was subject to temptation, and all points of that as we are, yet without sin. He hungered, thirsted, grieved, got tired and angry as we do because, although He was God manifest in the flesh, He was still fully man, and needed to pray to the eternal, omnipresent Spirit of God, just as we need to now! REMEMBER, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, and every doctrine we have must first be based on that !!
1 Tim, 3:16,,,,and without controversy, GREAT is the Mystery,,,,,have faith in the Scriptures,,,do Not rely on your own earthly non-spiritual understanding,,,,,,the incarnation, We see in parts,,,,MYSTERY,. Paul spoke it as MYSTERY in several places in the New Testament ❤❤❤
@@bretmavrick-ph2ip don't leave out the rest of the verse, the mystery is explained. Great is the mystery yes, and here it is, without controversy!: 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Our LORD God Jesus Christ in the flesh form pray to the Angels according to Hebrews 1:5 as His Father while He was in the flesh form as the Son of God.
In Orthodoxy, I have never heard any notion, nor anyone speak of ‘splitting up their prayers to the godhead’…. I think when one would consider praying in that manner - runs a great risk of encountering something outside of Christianity and far from an Orthodox mind.
FWIW there is a clip of Fr Josiah Tranham criticizing Protestants for directing their prayers to Jesus as opposed to ensuring you are praying to each member of the Trinity.
@@theoracle1945 - thanks. I will go and check out the context of what he said - against what I said… and what you’ve brought to the discussion. I appreciate it.
@@CheffScott - solid points! I haven’t found the things ‘oracle’ spoke about with Fr Josiah speaking about Protestants … I also do not see His prayers to the Father as divisional either. Trust you’re well. Cuthbert!
Mr Bernard could give us your point of view on the functional subordination of the Son advocated by some trinitarians? And how this could impact the divinity of Jésus?
Jesus' humanity is our model for how to live as humans. But the Scripture also reveals that He's the One True God who revealed Himself in the flesh. It teaches us that God Himself came to save us, taking human form on earth, and declares that Jesus is the only name of the One True living God. He is the Creator. The Trinity doctrine serves as a theoretical framework designed to understand the manifestations of God throughout human history. However, we should not solely rely on it; we rely on the teachings of the Spirit. The Scripture is to be spiritually understood and discerned through the leading and teachings of the Spirit.
Thank You! So much could be said. Some things to consider....... 1. How does God see himself?..... Compared to how God has -shown/revealed himself to us? 2. Does Jesus the Christ speak/represent only himself or does Jesus the Christ (as the second Adam and 'the lamb') speak/represent all of sinful mankind? 3. Why/How is it possible that the infinite/eternal/solitary Spirit of the one God can reveal/express/manifest himself as a carnal/temporary man of flesh?....... That's the mystery! God sees himself as single, solitary, alone, by himself (some would use the word 'Yachid'). Yet the word 'Echad' is used to describe God, which also means unity. Trinitarians interpret this as a unity of 3 persons in the Godhead. OOPS! WRONG! The use of the word 'Echad' describes the single solitary God as being INCLUSIVE with his creation. He interacts and is directly involved with his creation. The one single solitary God includes mankind into his own personal eternal existence! A type of marriage/union between God and mankind. Regardless of the answers, an infinite/eternal God not only made himself vulnerable, but actually separated/sacrificed some of himself as a finite human being into our linear time........ So, we could live and exist with him.... where he is! 😱 May the Spirit of the one God (revealed, expressed, and manifest in Jesus the Christ) unify us, lead us, and guide us into all truth! 👈
God had one purpose in dwelling in His flesh: to teach mankind how to be holy, just, and sanctified. God's methods were by example,/simulate and parables giving us a total view of who He is. Follow His examples ;and you will have kept His commandments.
BY THE WAY... John 1:18 NIV No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. God bless y'all.
psalm 22. the ones whose hands have been pierced callss God the "Holy one". Isaiah calls God the Holy One of israel yet Jesus comes as The Holy One of israel(psalm 16:10-11). If you read all of psalms 22 and understand that the one praising is Jesus and the one being praised is God, look at the language he uses to describe God. "All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, 28 for dominion belongs to the Lord and he rules over the nations. 29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him- those who cannot keep themselves alive. 30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord. 31 They will proclaim his righteousness, declaring to a people yet unborn: He has done it!" Jesus is the Lord, he is both the Lord and the man christ Jesus at the same time. so no Jesus doesn't cease to exist, he has ascended up on high in his fleshly body and now seats in the throne of God. the throne of God and the lamb. God is spirit and the only visible image we will see is his son
Winner winner… chicken dinner… you’re picking up on one of the later switch ups in Oneness Pentecostalism. Where some assert the ‘sonship is done away with’… I believe Dr Bernard has stated this in his books … or something along these lines. I, do NOT ascribe to that notion in the slightest. Trust you’re well.
NO. It's not a confusion of the two natures of Christ to say Jesus prays to Himself (given Oneness explanation). It's precisely holding the two natures equally (not confusing the two) that makes it impossible for Jesus to pray at all in Oneness theology. It is a legitimate objection to Oneness theology to say Jesus is praying to himself if He is at the same time the Father. Also, Jesus’s prayers are not JUST for exemplary purposes so that Christians will pray as he did. Jesus REALLY did pray to the Father. That's what the text says. The doctrine of thw Trinity derives from affirmation of both monotheism and Jesus/Father/Spirit distinction implied (and many times explicitly affirmed) in Scriptures.
@michaelquinones5168 yep. That's the point. Jesus, the Son who was on earth, prays to the Father in Heaven. In oneness, was God on earth on in heaven when Jesus was on earth? If God fills the whole at the same time, ehy did Jesus pray to the Father (who is himself)?
@@EthanGottfredsenThe flesh of Jesus had to pray to the spirit of God inside his flesh. The flesh is the temple of God. Flesh accesses God through prayer.
@@EthanGottfredsen not the flesh, that came through the bloodline of David through Mary. God inhabited flesh when he impregnated Mary. Isaiah 9:6 KJV For unto us a child is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace. The child named Jesus is called the Everlasting father, the Mighty God etc. meaning Jesus is God in flesh.
@@BrentonHobson-w3r you said the flesh prayed John 17. Which includes v. 5. “And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.” John 17:5
God the Father became his own Son. Jesus is the manifestation and personification of God the Father in human form. Any and all limitations that we see in Jesus are self-imposed.
@realmccoy124 it's rather simple. God is an absolute numerical one. Deut 6:4 God is a Spirit. There's only one God, the Father. God was manifest in the flesh. The Father was in Christ and he did all of the works. God the Father is the one and only true God. Therefore, God the Father became his own Son
@@Post-Trib - No. your statement is altering the text to conform with your doctrine. You are correct when you say God is One. You are correct when you say there is but one God. You are incorrect when you state, God became his own Son. Nowhere does scripture says this phraseology. The English text does not read that way… the Greek doesn’t read that way. Rabbinical scholars, Old Testament scholars, New Testament scholars… Dogmatic scholars… would likely dismiss your notion incongruent with the Canon. You’re correct when Jesus tells us that He is One with the Father. You’re correct when you say Jesus said that he manifested the One saving name… you’re correct when you say Jesus replying to the disciple’s ‘sufficeth us’ question when he said ‘When you have seen me, you have seen the Father’… You are correct when you say that Jesus says I AM. But. Nowhere does scripture say, The Father became his own Son.
Nothing hard to grapple as a trinitarian. Jesus claims the Father is in heaven. So no, we don't make it worse. And apart of that, subjection does not make another inferior. Jesus claiming not will but your will to be done, his humanity that we agree with that is suppressed by his divine nature. Jesus came to do what the Father sent him to do. One in the same, however separate.
Christ is our Father and mighty God per Isaiah 9:6, and only ONE sits on the throne per Revelation 4:2. Trinitarians err in their doctrinal beliefs because they stand upon John 3:16 when Acts 2:38 is how we are born-again, saved and filled with the Holy Ghost, which is the Spirit of Christ.
@@tobyburke8620: No, because they contradict each other. Three does not equal one, which is basic math even kids understand. Trinity doctrine is like saying I, my father and grandfather are one, which is insane and makes no sense. The Bible from the beginning in Deuteronomy 6:4 makes clear that God is one not three and Isaiah 9:6 proclaims Christ to be our "Everlasting Father,' and the mighty God and Revelation 4:2 states that only ONE sits on the throne not three. Lastly, God is a title meaning Supreme being and isn't a name, so my question to Trinitarians since they believe in three different God's would be: If Jesus Christ is the name of the Son than what are the names of the "Father" and "Holy Ghost" since they believe in three separate and distinct beings?
Sure, you could always give the mystery-talk for hard concepts. But to be textually driven is another thing. If you want to not make Jesus’s prayer passages sound like He's praying to himself, you got to demonstrate that Jesus is not the Father (the only God). For one thing, if Jesus is God and man, and he prays, it's either He's praying to himself (the humanity prays to the divine one) or He's distinct from the one he prays to.
I have never heard anyone say that jesus on earth prayed to the eternal son . Jesus is the eternal son right now and back then . "Before abraham was I AM". He prayed to the Father because He is the only Begotten son of God . This is in the Bible which i have read as a person baptized in Jesus name . You can not twist scripture to make your own opinion true it's confusing tons of young people.
@@chellerenee12 - and I haven’t met anyone to date from various denominations and in Orthodoxy … who believes how Dr Bernard stated in that particular segment. Cheers.
Dr Bernard speaks from the Protestant Fronema (mindset) - where he starts talking about explaining 1 relationship … now we have 6 relationships…. No. Actually. We don’t have to explain any thing about the godhead. Paul, who had not only the Holy Ghost (using OP terms) - he also had a great intellect AND was highly educated… well, he stated ‘Great is the mystery of godliness’ - the average lay person may or may not have all of those things to wrestle with theology. Who God is and How He does what he does for all mankind…. Really - if we can actually ‘explain it thoroughly’ … either the Scriptures, penned by Paul, lied to us … or we have lessened God’s glory with our words and changed the Faith.
Classic trinitarian mindset. “It’s too complicated so let’s believe a lie” The mystery is the incarnation. God joining himself to flesh. There’s NO mystery on how many persons are in the godhead - ONE.
"We don't have to explain any thing about the godhead." Yeah, try using that line one someone to whom you're witnessing and trying to win over to Christian theology, see how well that works for ya.
@@Justin_Time220 - Salvation is Created when the Son of God becomes the Son of the Virgin. The Mystery of the Incarnation is truly complex… to be honest - I don’t think of the godhead in terminology as ‘persons’ like many try and wrestle with… Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - One in Essence and Undivided. Actually, as a ‘classical Trinitarian’ - I am not saying believe a lie … I am warning not to rationalize one’s Christian faith to the point where you form God after the image of Man. Many OP folks speak of their Oneness Theology to Deut 6:4… but, how many of them actually examined their ‘doctrinal positions’ to that of Ancient Judaism? I have - and I have found that OP theology doesn’t align as much as they would like to believe.
@@germanwulf40 - Hey again. And. To answer your scenario based comment. I would state: There is but One God and godhead - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit… One in essence… and Undivided. The fullness of the godhead is displayed in Christ Jesus. The Righteousness of God came down and dwelt among us - for our sin and our sake… He was crucified under Pontius Pilate and died… on the 3rd day he rose again according to the Scriptures…. The nice thing about Orthodoxy - I don’t have to give them my opinion. The Church doesn’t ask for our opinions. The Constantinople Creed - succinctly informs the inquirer of the Faith.
Acts 2:41King James Version 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. trinitarian through this at me ?
Dr Bernard does a great job in explaining the Trinity in one moment… then he seems to pull away from that explanation the next. He quietly corrects some of the outlandish things OP folks say incorrectly of Oneness theology - that doesn’t align with actual Oneness theology. This made me chuckle because some folks say those things in this channel.
I just wonder how many minds Christ has in Bernard's view. It seems as if the flesh of Christ has its own functionality (mind) utterly separate from the divine. Making him more human in some cases or more divine in others than fully both.
@@isaacsandoval9316 - I have given your comment some thought over the past couple of days. This would be something we could discuss over coffee … I don’t know precisely where Dr Bernard is with some of his statements. He seems to shift towards Trinitarian occasionally… then back over to the Oneness Position. And sometimes he speaks of things I’ve never heard in the OP camp when I walked with them for 25 years. IMO - there is a shifting occurring … that, or I just never paid it any attention while immersed in the tribe mentality. Trust you’re well.
@@isaacsandoval9316 - Oneness Pentecostalism theologically speaking - it’s like a Darwin’s grab bag … you just never know what you’re gonna get. If Christ was not truly divine … man has no hope… and if Christ was not fully human - our nature (without corruption) was not assumed… and we have not hope of salvation.
your word is you, you are your word, the spirit spoke, and the word was called the son of god, the flesh is called the son of man, and this son is the son of god who was birthed in heaven just like he said he was, you are from beneath, i am from above, jesus did not come from mary, with a nature and a body and a spirit, he came from heaven THROUGH mary, he never ever called mary his mother, or those who were supposed his brothers and sisters, for he knew where he came from, he is the ETERNAL WORD, the ETERNAL SON, this is the testimony god gave of his son, there is no human son of god, --------[ 1st corinthians 15:47, the first adam is of the earth, earthy, the second adam is the lord from heaven ],-------- do you see it yet, jesus called himself the son of man because he came to the world THROUGH a huMAN, a woMAN, thus son of MAN, the WORD is the son of god and the MAN was birthed when the spirit spoke the word who created it all, john the baptist said of him, there is a MAN that was before me, A MAN, but john was born before jesus was, and yet john said there is a MAN that was before me, the greatest miracle of mankind and you people are missing it, your following men, and not the ETERNAL WORD WHO IS THE SON OF GOD, your word is eternal as long as you live, the word of god is eternal as long as he lives, and he is eternal life, so thats gonna be a long long time my friends, and you are missing it all with your carnal minds, jesus is god, for he is the word of god, and god is his word, jsut think about that people, the spirit has a son, an eternal son called the word of god, amen and amen, he thath hath an ear, HEAR.
As the JWs have lessened the Divinity of Christ… is the goal of Oneness Pentecostalism to lessen His Humanity… because it really seems like many struggle with the Mystery of the Incarnation.
Do you have a comment on the substance of this Bible study? You seem determined to leave comments under every pro-Oneness presentation, but you don't stay around long enough to defend your presuppositions.
@@davidcoleman5860 - Hi again. Interesting. Sometimes comments disappear - I suppose. IDK. If I am aware that someone has said something to me - I do try and reply. Unless it is just nonsense. But. You don’t strike me as someone who is nonsensical.
After listening to this a second time, it sounds to me like Dr. Bernard is being challenged by the trinitarian view, rather than challenging those trinitarians and critics. If a bible teacher really wants to seek the truth of the mystery of the Godhead, why not just TRUST us all to the Holy Spirit in us? Why continue to push this doctrinal point and cause more confusion than revelation. It says a lot when a christian believers love to put other christian believers in a separate camp. It creates an us-versus-them drama. How about ignoring the 'Oneness' and 'Trinitarian' definitions, and just call us all Bible believers. The bible speaks for itself, it is the Holy Word and man cannot condense it to his own personal revelation. In fact, every Christian believer I've met would talk about God's goodness and mercy, they never needed to identify themselves as as 'Trinitarian'. They would identify themselves as a Christian, love people, believe scripture, and believe in God's grace, and His Son Jesus Christ. There were no arguments. Either people believe in God's plan of salvation, or they don't. I've never heard a christian who is struggling with trials, say, I'm a trinitarian, would you pray for me? Or I'm Oneness, would you pray for me? If any man needs to boast, shouldn't it be "Christ in us" where we give God the glory? He defines us, not the other way around.
Keep thinking about it. Use logic and true reasoning. You're almost there but are just shooting past the mark. I don't choose to argue the theology because the way it was translated into English leaves massive room for debate. Once the Greek or Hebrew root words are explored for their original meanings, the overall logic and reasoning gets even stronger. Of course Jesus didn't pray to himself on multiple occasions. In today's society if someone were talking to themselves we'd call them crazy. And of course Jesus didn't praise himself when he was baptized. And while in the mortal state Jesus cried out "My God my God, why hast thou forsaken me?". Common sense and pure logic, aside from confirmation given to the heart from the Holy Ghost certainly indicates they are multiple people and not one. One thing presented here that is really true is that the philosophy of the trinity really does make this subject worse to try and understand. Follow your heart. Merge your heart and your brain and it will come to the honest seeker.
If trinity is true, Then Where in the bible says GOD is PRAYING to another God? Son God praying to Father God? In this case, the trinity claim is umbiblical
Out the gate - what you have written here and calling it the trinity … IS NOT even close to what the Dogma of the Church states. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. One in Essence and Undivided. There is no subordination … perhaps you should study the Constantinople Creed with Scripture reference. It clearly states the Church’s teaching. It defends both the Humanity and Divinity of Jesus Christ. What you present here is not in the mind of the Church and has never been a part of her teachings.
It is simple yet not believed even by oneness Pentecostals. Jesus prayed because he was a man and a real human being who relied on God for everything. Look at what Peter the man with the keys said about Jesus in Acts 2:22.Not one single word from his mouth ( the man given the keys mind you)that said Jesus had a dual nature or a god man yet even more powerful not one time Peter said Jesus is God..
@@realmccoy124 you said that you believe Jesus was a real human being.You should have stopped but you go on to say to deny his “ divinity” is another belief system? Well then you would not agree with what Peter said about Jesus in Acts 2:22,Acts 10:38
@@Wheelcooldiecast-u8n - The Church has always taught, preserved, and defended Christ God’s humanity and Divinity. If he is Not Fully Human AND Fully God… then the cosmos has not been reconciled back to her Creator. If Christ God had not assumed our Nature, without corruption, then we have no way of escape - we cannot be fully human ourselves. The Church hasn’t changed her teachings, though there have been several movements where people have attempted to innovate the Faith given once by the Apostles. There is only One Church and repository of Truth.. offshoots are in a sea of Heterodoxy.
Question is can you refute it??? I’ve listened to a few of Mr Burgos videos I haven’t found one that cannot be countered. Speaking of scared. I have a few questions that many trinitarians will side step or run from. Are you brave enough to answer straight forward? How many spirits is God. Is God 1 spirit, 2 spirits or 3 spirits. According to scripture?
There is only four possible reason why Jesus prayed to the father, 1) He is not the Father and the Holy Spirit 2) The Bible is mistranslated (wrong) 3) He forgot He is also the father himself 4) or the doctrine of the trinity is correct If he prayed to the father and he himself is the father, he is having a delusion and hallucination or he is trying to mock you. If he prayed to the father because of his physical human body, does it mean he has a separate soul and spirit as human? This will raise a philosophical question asking what happens to that in the resurrection. The Bible is either wrong or misinterpreted when it says, there was a voice from heaven saying, this is my son, and the holy spirit in a form of dove comes down to Jesus in the day of his baptism. The story teller didn't anticipate that a critical thinker would argue that yeah, the father shout from heaven and flew down to earth in a form of dove while his human body is Jesus on the water, it sounds like a trinity.
Or you misunderstand the human body. James 2: 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. The body dies the spirit goes on. Body and spirit are 2 separate things. Your body is not your spirit and your spirit is not your body. Now in like fashion if you have an equal member of the trinity praying to another saying not my will but your will be done. Doesn’t that indicate 2 separate wills disqualifying equality??? To further verify my point what does Jesus say? Matt 26: 41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. ⬆️⬆️⬆️🤔🤔🤔
@@revamp6612 yeah that's a very good point to discuss which opposes oneness. why does he pray to somebody? That's not my problem but a person who believes oneness must deal with the fact that a person or deity that is talking to himself must be a derange, or that person must be talking somebody or a separate entity. When it come to equality JW are happy with the phrase that says "my father is greater than me" well, that's not my problem.
@@hombrepobre9646 I’d be careful how you address God. When God said “let there be light” who was he talking too? When he said “let there be a firmament” who was he talking too? Just some food for thought. The previous position I posted does not in any way go against oneness.
@@revamp6612 he even said, let us made man in our image, that was a trinitarian view, very good you're leaving deception. God is talking with each other according to trinity.
Jesus speaking in John 8:40... "yet you seek to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I have heard FROM GOD." Jesus was a man... he was the last Adam. What was Adam? A man who was the son of God (Luke 3:38). Read Romans 5:11-19. They don't show you these scriptures in Oneness churches. Jesus was in no way God himself. The Father and the Father alone is God.
If there is any uncertainty about Jesus’ identity you should look at John 8:58: “Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” That is present tense in speaking of existence more than 2000 years earlier, claiming a kind of transcendence over time that could only be true of God. “I Am” is the same expression in the greek Septuagint expression God used “I Am who I Am” found in Ex. 3:14. Jesus is claiming not only to be eternal but also to be the God who appeared to Moses at the burning bush. His opponents understood his meaning immediately and tried to stone him to death.
@@kevinsmith5775Hi Kevin. I appreciate your answer, but I don't believe that's what these scriptures are referring to. Most of the contention that takes place throughout the gospels is whether or not Jesus is truly the Messiah. This is what the religious groups kept denying, even despite everything that Jesus was doing before their own eyes. They were doing all they could to deny him, so they could use their OT laws to justify killing him. As in saying that he was just a mere man, and not anyone who could speak "as God." You know... a prophet. It never had anything to do with him being God. That was never the narrative. Read John 20:31 to see for yourself.
@@charlestiraco8634there is no denying that Jesus was a man, but to suggest that’s all he was is not in alignment with the NT. Hebrews 2:5 shows in detail the ontological measure explaining Jesus’ becoming lower than the angles for the purpose of his atonement for our sins. If he had to become lower than the angles, that implies one must of been higher to begin with. There was only one higher than the angels, that of course being YHWH. John 1:14, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16. Scripture explains his deity and who he was.
Explain how God manifested in the flesh while on earth and was sitting on the throne at the same time and is also the Holy Spirit all at the same time they may all equal one but they are still 3
They are 3, but not 3 beings or persons. 3 manifestations of one God. Because God is infinite He can manifest Himself infinitely in ways that would not be possible for other beings.
@@EthanGottfredsen in a sense, yes. Pretty sure any Christian would have to agree with that statement. Whether you are trinitarian or oneness, You believe that Jesus is God, and that the Father is God. So yes, the one God is talking to the one God. A lot of the differences in my opinion are a bit semantic in how we conceptualize or understand this truth.
Trinitarians are wrong, Jesus is not God, there is no trinity, it's a pagan doctrine not a Bible teaching. Jesus is subservient to his Father in every respect, only the Father controls and sends Holy Spirit.
@@djparsons7363 - because viewing Jesus Christ as only a good man … or a man that is infused with God’s spirit. Or that he is a created being, like an angel… lessening who He is… and making Him into something He is not… is NOT the Christian faith. Unless we see him as the only begotten Son of the Father - begotten not made… Unless we understand that the Father Son and Holy Spirit are One in Essence and Undivided…. We are not talking Christianity. The Faith has preserved this and has defended this over the ages. So how one believes matters.
@@realmccoy124 Begotten MEANS made: "To procreate or generate" is the definition. Jesus is the "only begotten" Son of God which means he is the first and only direct creation by Jehovah. Then Jesus was used as the Master Worker" in creating everything else. (Proverbs 8:30) Maybe you aren't talking Christianity but I'm telling you what the Scriptures say, not what some pagan church tells you. Jesus was 100% human but sinless, exactly what the Bible says he was. (Philippians 2:7) No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and BECAME HUMAN. Your false religion will face destruction for preaching lies.
@@djparsons7363 - I’m sure Bishop Arius felt the same way you do about the Church when he was given the boot with the doctrine he had came up with and was rejected. You can call me a pagan all you want. I don’t seek your approval…. And I don’t need your opinion to be validated.
@@rksamuels I grew up in the UPCI and was lied to for years about what Trinitarians believe. Thank the Triune God that he opened my eyes when I was 37 and saved me from this heresy!
Just more complicating people again. There is no conundrum. And forget critics, stop looking for them around every bush. Trust GOD! It would seem that this is dividing brethren, turning each group away from each other, and for what? Are these 'doubtful disputations'? Does it make us better christians, or does it create spiritual pride? The title of this podcast says "Why did Jesus Pray to His Father? Where in scripture and the gospels does it ask us this question? John 17 speaks for itself. The Son of God prays to His Father. These verses don't ask us, the reader, to try to dissect God's nature. It reveals the beautiful prayer between Jesus and the Father. Wouldn't it be nice if theologians just allowed to accept by faith what is written? The pronouns speak for themselves: John 17 used "I", "you", "us" and "them". Verse 24: "Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, whih thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world". Verses 21, 22, 23: "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hath sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be one, even as we are one; I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that hou hast sent me, and hast loved them; as thou hast loved me". I don't know the answer as to why Jesus prayed to His Father, but the WORD says He did, and that is all I need to know.
Solid comment again Jackie. The Son, prayed to the Father… why would that be a problem to any Christian? I think we see a group of people on one side, who are lessening the Deity of Christ - and causing him to be less than Fully God and Fully Man… this would be Unitarianism … and then we have the JWs stating he was a created being, and not begotten before all ages… I think there are some folks who identify as Oneness Pentecostals - but they are the type who would like to lessen Christ’s humanity…. Dr Bernard does seem to call them out…. Trust you are well.
The flesh (son) cried out to the Spirit in Him (father), just as He said to His disciples, "the father IN me doeth the works".
This Biblical doctrine set me free from the Catholic Trinidadian religion .. THANK YOU JESUS 🙌
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Trinitarian *
Trinidad is a country. 😆
There is one God and his name is Jesus.
Almighty God's name is Jehovah, Jesus is the created Son of God, far inferior to his father. You believe lies.
Inferior?
@@tonydaniel8509 Absolutely, all things came into existence through Almighty God Jehovah including Jesus. By his own admission, Jesus does nothing without the Father's direction and approval. The preachers need to stop promoting Jesus to be equal with Jehovah, he isn't.
@@djparsons7363 there's 9 different Jehova names. Jireh, Nissi, Shammah, Rafa. Jesus means = Jehova has become our salvation. God became the perfect sacrifice. Every knee shall bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Be blessed in Jesus name.
@@BrentonHobson-w3r God could NEVER be the perfect sacrifice, God cannot die! That's such a ridiculous belief, trying to make Jesus into God when he is far beneath Jehovah; if Jehovah didn't resurrect Jesus he would STILL be in his tomb. There's way too much ignorance being promoted as truth, Jesus is a powerful King and Judge because Jehovah gave him that authority!
(John 8:28) ..... I DO NOTHING OF MY OWN INITIATIVE; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things.
Jesus I just can’t find the right words to explain just how much these videos mean to me… hallelujah 🙌🏻 Jesus!!
My sister is Pentecostal too, but she doesn't go to a Oneness church. I struggle to explain things like this in terms she can understand. You are a great reference for me to help show the truth. Thank you.
There isn't any truth coming from Pentecostals.
Excellent teaching!
I have always said " he says Father ( John 11:38-39 So the people would hear him ) as an example . Luke 11:1-2 the disciples asked Jesus, teach us how to pray ? ( SAY OUR FATHER ) 🎉
Dr David Bernard is the BEST Oneness Theologian EVER! 💥💯
I also graduated at the top of my HS class…. 1 of 6!
Thanks for both of you. GOD bless you and this ministry.
Amen, good teaching.
Amen! Greatly explained! God bless you!
Great teaching. Hopefully people grasp this. Many will argue against it without even listening. But those who have ears! They will grasp it. I’ll never forget the day God revealed to me who Jesus is. And the scripture he opened my eyes with.👍
Who is talking to who in Genesis 1:26?
@@compositesquare God. According to the scripture. “And God Said”
@@revamp6612 But who is God talking to?
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
@@compositesquare I believe he was including his angels in the conversation as they were present at creation. Job 38.
Although I recognize there are other legitimate views on this. Such as the one brother Bernard leans towards. Some think the royal we, although I don’t really see any validity to that one.
@@revamp6612 "I believe he was including his angels in the conversation as they were present at creation. Job 38."
Jon 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
Is Job 38:33 the same as Genesis 1:1?
Amen, God bless you. Loving you from Rwanda, Africa
Great teaching. Amen.
Excelént teachings, God bless!!
The end is Jesus is the father. Jesus showing us how to pray to the father example
Yeah , I just posted that . He says Father so the people would hear him read John 11:41-42 ...As an example ( Luke 11:1-2 the disciples asked Jesus? Teach us how to pray, Jesus said," Say Our Father ) ! God Bless Everyone In Jesus Mighty Name 🎉
WOW! That was awesome!
This is excellent. There seems to be a shift toward more clarity in the classical "Incarnation theory". It seems using the term "identity of GOD" to equate with Logos is a more robust view of what becomes flesh as well as how the manifestation takes place. Much difficulty arises if we simply or crassly transition from John 1:1 to vs14 without considering GOD is SPIRIT and He cannot change bodily or "incarnate" as SPIRIT but to see the identity of GOD becomes one with the identity of a human is indeed consistent with other Apostolic proclamation such as Acts 2:36 and 1 Cor 15:45.
O You who hear prayer, To You all flesh will come (Psalm 65:2) Jesus as Flesh (Human) prayed to his Divinity
Perfect statement on the subject !
So the Human prayer John 17:5?
That is, he prayed to himself?
Very helpful,, thank. You
Jesus, the Son of God, prayed and received strength and help as a MAN, fully human as we are! He was subject to temptation, and all points of that as we are, yet without sin. He hungered, thirsted, grieved, got tired and angry as we do because, although He was God manifest in the flesh, He was still fully man, and needed to pray to the eternal, omnipresent Spirit of God, just as we need to now! REMEMBER, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, and every doctrine we have must first be based on that !!
Thank you Jésus.
1 Tim, 3:16,,,,and without controversy, GREAT is the Mystery,,,,,have faith in the Scriptures,,,do Not rely on your own earthly non-spiritual understanding,,,,,,the incarnation, We see in parts,,,,MYSTERY,. Paul spoke it as MYSTERY in several places in the New Testament ❤❤❤
@@bretmavrick-ph2ip don't leave out the rest of the verse, the mystery is explained. Great is the mystery yes, and here it is, without controversy!:
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Amen 🙏🏻
Can you set up a playlist with the entire early church history until present day
Oneness is a revelation
Our LORD God Jesus Christ in the flesh form pray to the Angels according to Hebrews 1:5 as His Father while He was in the flesh form as the Son of God.
In Orthodoxy, I have never heard any notion, nor anyone speak of ‘splitting up their prayers to the godhead’…. I think when one would consider praying in that manner - runs a great risk of encountering something outside of Christianity and far from an Orthodox mind.
FWIW there is a clip of Fr Josiah Tranham criticizing Protestants for directing their prayers to Jesus as opposed to ensuring you are praying to each member of the Trinity.
@@theoracle1945 - thanks. I will go and check out the context of what he said - against what I said… and what you’ve brought to the discussion. I appreciate it.
@@CheffScott - solid points! I haven’t found the things ‘oracle’ spoke about with Fr Josiah speaking about Protestants … I also do not see His prayers to the Father as divisional either. Trust you’re well. Cuthbert!
Mr Bernard could give us your point of view on the functional subordination of the Son advocated by some trinitarians? And how this could impact the divinity of Jésus?
Jesus' humanity is our model for how to live as humans. But the Scripture also reveals that He's the One True God who revealed Himself in the flesh. It teaches us that God Himself came to save us, taking human form on earth, and declares that Jesus is the only name of the One True living God. He is the Creator. The Trinity doctrine serves as a theoretical framework designed to understand the manifestations of God throughout human history. However, we should not solely rely on it; we rely on the teachings of the Spirit. The Scripture is to be spiritually understood and discerned through the leading and teachings of the Spirit.
Thank You! So much could be said. Some things to consider.......
1. How does God see himself?..... Compared to how God has -shown/revealed himself to us?
2. Does Jesus the Christ speak/represent only himself or does Jesus the Christ (as the second Adam and 'the lamb') speak/represent all of sinful mankind?
3. Why/How is it possible that the infinite/eternal/solitary Spirit of the one God can reveal/express/manifest himself as a carnal/temporary man of flesh?....... That's the mystery!
God sees himself as single, solitary, alone, by himself (some would use the word 'Yachid'). Yet the word 'Echad' is used to describe God, which also means unity. Trinitarians interpret this as a unity of 3 persons in the Godhead. OOPS! WRONG! The use of the word 'Echad' describes the single solitary God as being INCLUSIVE with his creation. He interacts and is directly involved with his creation. The one single solitary God includes mankind into his own personal eternal existence! A type of marriage/union between God and mankind.
Regardless of the answers, an infinite/eternal God not only made himself vulnerable, but actually separated/sacrificed some of himself as a finite human being into our linear time........ So, we could live and exist with him.... where he is! 😱
May the Spirit of the one God (revealed, expressed, and manifest in Jesus the Christ) unify us, lead us, and guide us into all truth! 👈
Will said you can.t get more. Clearer
So the physical body of Jesus prayed to the soul of Jesus?
God had one purpose in dwelling in His flesh: to teach mankind how to be holy, just, and sanctified. God's methods were by example,/simulate and parables giving us a total view of who He is. Follow His examples ;and you will have kept His commandments.
Actually he assumed our nature, without corruption, that we may be saved… just as we assume his nature that through theosis, we become fully human.
There is only one God and Jesus Christ is his name. Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 9:6 & Revelation 4:2.
John 14:28
5:32 👏👍
BY THE WAY...
John 1:18 NIV
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
God bless y'all.
How is it now in heaven, how is the son and the father together? Does Jesus ceases to exist as being son and returned to being God the Father?
psalm 22. the ones whose hands have been pierced callss God the "Holy one". Isaiah calls God the Holy One of israel yet Jesus comes as The Holy One of israel(psalm 16:10-11). If you read all of psalms 22 and understand that the one praising is Jesus and the one being praised is God, look at the language he uses to describe God. "All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him-
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!" Jesus is the Lord, he is both the Lord and the man christ Jesus at the same time.
so no Jesus doesn't cease to exist, he has ascended up on high in his fleshly body and now seats in the throne of God. the throne of God and the lamb. God is spirit and the only visible image we will see is his son
Winner winner… chicken dinner… you’re picking up on one of the later switch ups in Oneness Pentecostalism. Where some assert the ‘sonship is done away with’… I believe Dr Bernard has stated this in his books … or something along these lines. I, do NOT ascribe to that notion in the slightest. Trust you’re well.
NO. It's not a confusion of the two natures of Christ to say Jesus prays to Himself (given Oneness explanation).
It's precisely holding the two natures equally (not confusing the two) that makes it impossible for Jesus to pray at all in Oneness theology.
It is a legitimate objection to Oneness theology to say Jesus is praying to himself if He is at the same time the Father.
Also, Jesus’s prayers are not JUST for exemplary purposes so that Christians will pray as he did. Jesus REALLY did pray to the Father. That's what the text says. The doctrine of thw Trinity derives from affirmation of both monotheism and Jesus/Father/Spirit distinction implied (and many times explicitly affirmed) in Scriptures.
So is it only possible for Jesus to pray in twoness theology or threeness theology?
@michaelquinones5168 yep. That's the point. Jesus, the Son who was on earth, prays to the Father in Heaven.
In oneness, was God on earth on in heaven when Jesus was on earth? If God fills the whole at the same time, ehy did Jesus pray to the Father (who is himself)?
6:39 - _"Jesus is a man praying to God."_
Actually, "the man Christ Jesus" is *God* manifested in genuine human form *praying to God.*
8:21 - _"Do we say Jesus prayed to himself? No."_
If Jesus was not praying to himself, then he was praying to someone else or something else. So Dr. Bernard is simply wrong.
When Jesus was on earth, manifested in genuine human form, he was also in heaven. *So yes, Jesus prayed to **_himself._* And no wonder...
JOHN 2:19 (KJV)
_Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days _*_*I*_*_ will raise it up._
That's Jesus, promising he would die *_and_** raise **_himself_** from the dead.*
Now you have six relationships to explain..😅 man, he snapped on the Trinys 😂
My my God
@@daviddonnelly426 who is praying in John 17?
@@EthanGottfredsenThe flesh of Jesus had to pray to the spirit of God inside his flesh. The flesh is the temple of God.
Flesh accesses God through prayer.
@@BrentonHobson-w3r so according to that explanation the flesh existed with the the spirit prior to creation… that’s your belief?
@@EthanGottfredsen not the flesh, that came through the bloodline of David through Mary. God inhabited flesh when he impregnated Mary.
Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
The child named Jesus is called the Everlasting father, the Mighty God etc. meaning Jesus is God in flesh.
@@BrentonHobson-w3r you said the flesh prayed John 17. Which includes v. 5.
“And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.”
John 17:5
God the Father became his own Son. Jesus is the manifestation and personification of God the Father in human form.
Any and all limitations that we see in Jesus are self-imposed.
Since you wanna pull from the Sola Scriptura camp… where is there a verse that says, ‘God the Father Became his own Son’?
@realmccoy124 it's rather simple. God is an absolute numerical one. Deut 6:4
God is a Spirit. There's only one God, the Father. God was manifest in the flesh. The Father was in Christ and he did all of the works.
God the Father is the one and only true God. Therefore, God the Father became his own Son
@@Post-Trib - you’re referencing Aleph, Chet, and Daled then?
@@realmccoy124 No. All of those statements are found in scripture
@@Post-Trib - No. your statement is altering the text to conform with your doctrine. You are correct when you say God is One. You are correct when you say there is but one God. You are incorrect when you state, God became his own Son. Nowhere does scripture says this phraseology. The English text does not read that way… the Greek doesn’t read that way. Rabbinical scholars, Old Testament scholars, New Testament scholars… Dogmatic scholars… would likely dismiss your notion incongruent with the Canon. You’re correct when Jesus tells us that He is One with the Father. You’re correct when you say Jesus said that he manifested the One saving name… you’re correct when you say Jesus replying to the disciple’s ‘sufficeth us’ question when he said ‘When you have seen me, you have seen the Father’… You are correct when you say that Jesus says I AM. But. Nowhere does scripture say, The Father became his own Son.
Nothing hard to grapple as a trinitarian. Jesus claims the Father is in heaven. So no, we don't make it worse. And apart of that, subjection does not make another inferior. Jesus claiming not will but your will to be done, his humanity that we agree with that is suppressed by his divine nature. Jesus came to do what the Father sent him to do. One in the same, however separate.
Who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
Christ is our Father and mighty God per Isaiah 9:6, and only ONE sits on the throne per Revelation 4:2. Trinitarians err in their doctrinal beliefs because they stand upon John 3:16 when Acts 2:38 is how we are born-again, saved and filled with the Holy Ghost, which is the Spirit of Christ.
Is it possible to believe or explain the Godhead as 3 separate persons/entities and be monotheistic at the same time?
@@tobyburke8620: No, because they contradict each other. Three does not equal one, which is basic math even kids understand. Trinity doctrine is like saying I, my father and grandfather are one, which is insane and makes no sense. The Bible from the beginning in Deuteronomy 6:4 makes clear that God is one not three and Isaiah 9:6 proclaims Christ to be our "Everlasting Father,' and the mighty God and Revelation 4:2 states that only ONE sits on the throne not three. Lastly, God is a title meaning Supreme being and isn't a name, so my question to Trinitarians since they believe in three different God's would be: If Jesus Christ is the name of the Son than what are the names of the "Father" and "Holy Ghost" since they believe in three separate and distinct beings?
@derekbaker777 proud of you Derek of Fall River 😊
Sure, you could always give the mystery-talk for hard concepts. But to be textually driven is another thing.
If you want to not make Jesus’s prayer passages sound like He's praying to himself, you got to demonstrate that Jesus is not the Father (the only God). For one thing, if Jesus is God and man, and he prays, it's either He's praying to himself (the humanity prays to the divine one) or He's distinct from the one he prays to.
I have never heard anyone say that jesus on earth prayed to the eternal son . Jesus is the eternal son right now and back then . "Before abraham was I AM". He prayed to the Father because He is the only Begotten son of God . This is in the Bible which i have read as a person baptized in Jesus name . You can not twist scripture to make your own opinion true it's confusing tons of young people.
You misunderstood. He didn't say we believe that Jesus prayed to the eternal son. You need to rewatch
@@chellerenee12 - and I haven’t met anyone to date from various denominations and in Orthodoxy … who believes how Dr Bernard stated in that particular segment. Cheers.
@chellerenee12 I didn't misunderstand I know the point he's trying and I think it's ridiculous
Dr Bernard speaks from the Protestant Fronema (mindset) - where he starts talking about explaining 1 relationship … now we have 6 relationships…. No. Actually. We don’t have to explain any thing about the godhead. Paul, who had not only the Holy Ghost (using OP terms) - he also had a great intellect AND was highly educated… well, he stated ‘Great is the mystery of godliness’ - the average lay person may or may not have all of those things to wrestle with theology. Who God is and How He does what he does for all mankind…. Really - if we can actually ‘explain it thoroughly’ … either the Scriptures, penned by Paul, lied to us … or we have lessened God’s glory with our words and changed the Faith.
Classic trinitarian mindset. “It’s too complicated so let’s believe a lie” The mystery is the incarnation. God joining himself to flesh. There’s NO mystery on how many persons are in the godhead - ONE.
"We don't have to explain any thing about the godhead." Yeah, try using that line one someone to whom you're witnessing and trying to win over to Christian theology, see how well that works for ya.
@@germanwulf40 I could keep going 😉
@@Justin_Time220 - Salvation is Created when the Son of God becomes the Son of the Virgin. The Mystery of the Incarnation is truly complex… to be honest - I don’t think of the godhead in terminology as ‘persons’ like many try and wrestle with… Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - One in Essence and Undivided. Actually, as a ‘classical Trinitarian’ - I am not saying believe a lie … I am warning not to rationalize one’s Christian faith to the point where you form God after the image of Man. Many OP folks speak of their Oneness Theology to Deut 6:4… but, how many of them actually examined their ‘doctrinal positions’ to that of Ancient Judaism? I have - and I have found that OP theology doesn’t align as much as they would like to believe.
@@germanwulf40 - Hey again. And. To answer your scenario based comment. I would state: There is but One God and godhead - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit… One in essence… and Undivided. The fullness of the godhead is displayed in Christ Jesus. The Righteousness of God came down and dwelt among us - for our sin and our sake… He was crucified under Pontius Pilate and died… on the 3rd day he rose again according to the Scriptures….
The nice thing about Orthodoxy - I don’t have to give them my opinion. The Church doesn’t ask for our opinions. The Constantinople Creed - succinctly informs the inquirer of the Faith.
Acts 2:41King James Version
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. trinitarian through this at me ?
Dr Bernard does a great job in explaining the Trinity in one moment… then he seems to pull away from that explanation the next. He quietly corrects some of the outlandish things OP folks say incorrectly of Oneness theology - that doesn’t align with actual Oneness theology. This made me chuckle because some folks say those things in this channel.
I just wonder how many minds Christ has in Bernard's view. It seems as if the flesh of Christ has its own functionality (mind) utterly separate from the divine. Making him more human in some cases or more divine in others than fully both.
@@isaacsandoval9316 - I have given your comment some thought over the past couple of days. This would be something we could discuss over coffee … I don’t know precisely where Dr Bernard is with some of his statements. He seems to shift towards Trinitarian occasionally… then back over to the Oneness Position. And sometimes he speaks of things I’ve never heard in the OP camp when I walked with them for 25 years. IMO - there is a shifting occurring … that, or I just never paid it any attention while immersed in the tribe mentality. Trust you’re well.
@@realmccoy124 it's very Nestorian they make the 1 person of Jesus Into 2 essentially.
@@isaacsandoval9316 - Oneness Pentecostalism theologically speaking - it’s like a Darwin’s grab bag … you just never know what you’re gonna get. If Christ was not truly divine … man has no hope… and if Christ was not fully human - our nature (without corruption) was not assumed… and we have not hope of salvation.
your word is you, you are your word, the spirit spoke, and the word was called the son of god, the flesh is called the son of man, and this son is the son of god who was birthed in heaven just like he said he was, you are from beneath, i am from above, jesus did not come from mary, with a nature and a body and a spirit, he came from heaven THROUGH mary, he never ever called mary his mother, or those who were supposed his brothers and sisters, for he knew where he came from, he is the ETERNAL WORD, the ETERNAL SON, this is the testimony god gave of his son, there is no human son of god, --------[ 1st corinthians 15:47, the first adam is of the earth, earthy, the second adam is the lord from heaven ],-------- do you see it yet, jesus called himself the son of man because he came to the world THROUGH a huMAN, a woMAN, thus son of MAN, the WORD is the son of god and the MAN was birthed when the spirit spoke the word who created it all, john the baptist said of him, there is a MAN that was before me, A MAN, but john was born before jesus was, and yet john said there is a MAN that was before me, the greatest miracle of mankind and you people are missing it, your following men, and not the ETERNAL WORD WHO IS THE SON OF GOD, your word is eternal as long as you live, the word of god is eternal as long as he lives, and he is eternal life, so thats gonna be a long long time my friends, and you are missing it all with your carnal minds, jesus is god, for he is the word of god, and god is his word, jsut think about that people, the spirit has a son, an eternal son called the word of god, amen and amen, he thath hath an ear, HEAR.
As the JWs have lessened the Divinity of Christ… is the goal of Oneness Pentecostalism to lessen His Humanity… because it really seems like many struggle with the Mystery of the Incarnation.
Do you have a comment on the substance of this Bible study? You seem determined to leave comments under every pro-Oneness presentation, but you don't stay around long enough to defend your presuppositions.
@@davidcoleman5860 - actually. I think I do hang around to defend my positions and presuppositions.
@@realmccoy124 Not to me, you don't. I've attempted to interact with you several times, and when the rubber hits the pavement, you disappear.
@@davidcoleman5860 - Hi again. Interesting. Sometimes comments disappear - I suppose. IDK. If I am aware that someone has said something to me - I do try and reply. Unless it is just nonsense. But. You don’t strike me as someone who is nonsensical.
After listening to this a second time, it sounds to me like Dr. Bernard is being challenged by the trinitarian view, rather than challenging those trinitarians and critics. If a bible teacher really wants to seek the truth of the mystery of the Godhead, why not just TRUST us all to the Holy Spirit in us? Why continue to push this doctrinal point and cause more confusion than revelation. It says a lot when a christian believers love to put other christian believers in a separate camp. It creates an us-versus-them drama.
How about ignoring the 'Oneness' and 'Trinitarian' definitions, and just call us all Bible believers. The bible speaks for itself, it is the Holy Word and man cannot condense it to his own personal revelation. In fact, every Christian believer I've met would talk about God's goodness and mercy, they never needed to identify themselves as as 'Trinitarian'. They would identify themselves as a Christian, love people, believe scripture, and believe in God's grace, and His Son Jesus Christ. There were no arguments. Either people believe in God's plan of salvation, or they don't. I've never heard a christian who is struggling with trials, say, I'm a trinitarian, would you pray for me? Or I'm Oneness, would you pray for me? If any man needs to boast, shouldn't it be "Christ in us" where we give God the glory? He defines us, not the other way around.
Keep thinking about it. Use logic and true reasoning. You're almost there but are just shooting past the mark. I don't choose to argue the theology because the way it was translated into English leaves massive room for debate. Once the Greek or Hebrew root words are explored for their original meanings, the overall logic and reasoning gets even stronger. Of course Jesus didn't pray to himself on multiple occasions. In today's society if someone were talking to themselves we'd call them crazy. And of course Jesus didn't praise himself when he was baptized. And while in the mortal state Jesus cried out "My God my God, why hast thou forsaken me?". Common sense and pure logic, aside from confirmation given to the heart from the Holy Ghost certainly indicates they are multiple people and not one. One thing presented here that is really true is that the philosophy of the trinity really does make this subject worse to try and understand. Follow your heart. Merge your heart and your brain and it will come to the honest seeker.
If trinity is true, Then Where in the bible says GOD is PRAYING to another God? Son God praying to Father God? In this case, the trinity claim is umbiblical
@@wevenlabesig9218 Jesus prayed to the Father in John 17.
Out the gate - what you have written here and calling it the trinity … IS NOT even close to what the Dogma of the Church states. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. One in Essence and Undivided. There is no subordination … perhaps you should study the Constantinople Creed with Scripture reference. It clearly states the Church’s teaching. It defends both the Humanity and Divinity of Jesus Christ. What you present here is not in the mind of the Church and has never been a part of her teachings.
Amen
This guy is making it really hard on himself
It is simple yet not believed even by oneness Pentecostals. Jesus prayed because he was a man and a real human being who relied on God for everything. Look at what Peter the man with the keys said about Jesus in Acts 2:22.Not one single word from his mouth ( the man given the keys mind you)that said Jesus had a dual nature or a god man yet even more powerful not one time Peter said Jesus is God..
I agree that Jesus was a real human being. But to deny his divinity, well - that results in an entirely other belief system.
@@realmccoy124 you said that you believe Jesus was a real human being.You should have stopped but you go on to say to deny his “ divinity” is another belief system? Well then you would not agree with what Peter said about Jesus in Acts 2:22,Acts 10:38
@@Wheelcooldiecast-u8n - The Church has always taught, preserved, and defended Christ God’s humanity and Divinity. If he is Not Fully Human AND Fully God… then the cosmos has not been reconciled back to her Creator. If Christ God had not assumed our Nature, without corruption, then we have no way of escape - we cannot be fully human ourselves. The Church hasn’t changed her teachings, though there have been several movements where people have attempted to innovate the Faith given once by the Apostles. There is only One Church and repository of Truth.. offshoots are in a sea of Heterodoxy.
Dr Michael Burgoss refutes all this nonsense and has challenged David Bernard to debate many times and he’s too scared.
Question is can you refute it??? I’ve listened to a few of Mr Burgos videos I haven’t found one that cannot be countered. Speaking of scared. I have a few questions that many trinitarians will side step or run from. Are you brave enough to answer straight forward?
How many spirits is God. Is God 1 spirit, 2 spirits or 3 spirits. According to scripture?
Jesus prayed to his Father because that's who his Father was!! Jesus Father was God and his mother was Mary... not too, hard to figure out...
There is only four possible reason why Jesus prayed to the father,
1) He is not the Father and the Holy Spirit
2) The Bible is mistranslated (wrong)
3) He forgot He is also the father himself
4) or the doctrine of the trinity is correct
If he prayed to the father and he himself is the father, he is having a delusion and hallucination or he is trying to mock you.
If he prayed to the father because of his physical human body, does it mean he has a separate soul and spirit as human? This will raise a philosophical question asking what happens to that in the resurrection.
The Bible is either wrong or misinterpreted when it says, there was a voice from heaven saying, this is my son, and the holy spirit in a form of dove comes down to Jesus in the day of his baptism.
The story teller didn't anticipate that a critical thinker would argue that yeah, the father shout from heaven and flew down to earth in a form of dove while his human body is Jesus on the water, it sounds like a trinity.
Interesting perspective. Trust you’re well.
Or you misunderstand the human body.
James 2: 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
The body dies the spirit goes on. Body and spirit are 2 separate things.
Your body is not your spirit and your spirit is not your body.
Now in like fashion if you have an equal member of the trinity praying to another saying not my will but your will be done. Doesn’t that indicate 2 separate wills disqualifying equality???
To further verify my point what does Jesus say?
Matt 26: 41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
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@@revamp6612 yeah that's a very good point to discuss which opposes oneness. why does he pray to somebody? That's not my problem but a person who believes oneness must deal with the fact that a person or deity that is talking to himself must be a derange, or that person must be talking somebody or a separate entity.
When it come to equality JW are happy with the phrase that says "my father is greater than me" well, that's not my problem.
@@hombrepobre9646 I’d be careful how you address God.
When God said “let there be light” who was he talking too?
When he said “let there be a firmament” who was he talking too?
Just some food for thought.
The previous position I posted does not in any way go against oneness.
@@revamp6612 he even said, let us made man in our image, that was a trinitarian view, very good you're leaving deception. God is talking with each other according to trinity.
Jesus speaking in John 8:40... "yet you seek to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I have heard FROM GOD."
Jesus was a man... he was the last Adam. What was Adam? A man who was the son of God (Luke 3:38). Read Romans 5:11-19. They don't show you these scriptures in Oneness churches. Jesus was in no way God himself. The Father and the Father alone is God.
If there is any uncertainty about Jesus’ identity you should look at John 8:58: “Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” That is present tense in speaking of existence more than 2000 years earlier, claiming a kind of transcendence over time that could only be true of God. “I Am” is the same expression in the greek Septuagint expression God used “I Am who I Am” found in Ex. 3:14. Jesus is claiming not only to be eternal but also to be the God who appeared to Moses at the burning bush. His opponents understood his meaning immediately and tried to stone him to death.
@@kevinsmith5775Hi Kevin. I appreciate your answer, but I don't believe that's what these scriptures are referring to. Most of the contention that takes place throughout the gospels is whether or not Jesus is truly the Messiah. This is what the religious groups kept denying, even despite everything that Jesus was doing before their own eyes. They were doing all they could to deny him, so they could use their OT laws to justify killing him. As in saying that he was just a mere man, and not anyone who could speak "as God." You know... a prophet. It never had anything to do with him being God. That was never the narrative. Read John 20:31 to see for yourself.
@@charlestiraco8634John 20:31 revealed nothing contrary to what I referred to.
@@charlestiraco8634there is no denying that Jesus was a man, but to suggest that’s all he was is not in alignment with the NT. Hebrews 2:5 shows in detail the ontological measure explaining Jesus’ becoming lower than the angles for the purpose of his atonement for our sins. If he had to become lower than the angles, that implies one must of been higher to begin with. There was only one higher than the angels, that of course being YHWH. John 1:14, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16. Scripture explains his deity and who he was.
Please explain John 20:28. A direct response would be nice, not a work around like many do.
Explain how God manifested in the flesh while on earth and was sitting on the throne at the same time and is also the Holy Spirit all at the same time they may all equal one but they are still 3
They are 3, but not 3 beings or persons. 3 manifestations of one God. Because God is infinite He can manifest Himself infinitely in ways that would not be possible for other beings.
@@LarryMonteforte so was God talking to himself in John 17?
@@EthanGottfredsen in a sense, yes. Pretty sure any Christian would have to agree with that statement. Whether you are trinitarian or oneness, You believe that Jesus is God, and that the Father is God. So yes, the one God is talking to the one God. A lot of the differences in my opinion are a bit semantic in how we conceptualize or understand this truth.
Trinitarians are wrong, Jesus is not God, there is no trinity, it's a pagan doctrine not a Bible teaching. Jesus is subservient to his Father in every respect, only the Father controls and sends Holy Spirit.
And you coming from either the JWs or the Unitarian camp here?
@@realmccoy124 Why should it matter?
@@djparsons7363 - because viewing Jesus Christ as only a good man … or a man that is infused with God’s spirit. Or that he is a created being, like an angel… lessening who He is… and making Him into something He is not… is NOT the Christian faith. Unless we see him as the only begotten Son of the Father - begotten not made… Unless we understand that the Father Son and Holy Spirit are One in Essence and Undivided…. We are not talking Christianity. The Faith has preserved this and has defended this over the ages.
So how one believes matters.
@@realmccoy124 Begotten MEANS made: "To procreate or generate" is the definition. Jesus is the "only begotten" Son of God which means he is the first and only direct creation by Jehovah. Then Jesus was used as the Master Worker" in creating everything else. (Proverbs 8:30)
Maybe you aren't talking Christianity but I'm telling you what the Scriptures say, not what some pagan church tells you.
Jesus was 100% human but sinless, exactly what the Bible says he was. (Philippians 2:7) No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and BECAME HUMAN.
Your false religion will face destruction for preaching lies.
@@djparsons7363 - I’m sure Bishop Arius felt the same way you do about the Church when he was given the boot with the doctrine he had came up with and was rejected. You can call me a pagan all you want. I don’t seek your approval…. And I don’t need your opinion to be validated.
This was a horrible explanation of the trinity.
@@rksamuels I grew up in the UPCI and was lied to for years about what Trinitarians believe. Thank the Triune God that he opened my eyes when I was 37 and saved me from this heresy!
Because it is not an accurate representation of the Trinity. It’s almost criminal how it is conveniently misrepresented constantly.
Just more complicating people again. There is no conundrum. And forget critics, stop looking for them around every bush. Trust GOD! It would seem that this is dividing brethren, turning each group away from each other, and for what? Are these 'doubtful disputations'? Does it make us better christians, or does it create spiritual pride?
The title of this podcast says "Why did Jesus Pray to His Father? Where in scripture and the gospels does it ask us this question? John 17 speaks for itself. The Son of God prays to His Father. These verses don't ask us, the reader, to try to dissect God's nature. It reveals the beautiful prayer between Jesus and the Father. Wouldn't it be nice if theologians just allowed to accept by faith what is written? The pronouns speak for themselves: John 17 used "I", "you", "us" and "them". Verse 24: "Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, whih thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world".
Verses 21, 22, 23: "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hath sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be one, even as we are one; I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that hou hast sent me, and hast loved them; as thou hast loved me". I don't know the answer as to why Jesus prayed to His Father, but the WORD says He did, and that is all I need to know.
Solid comment again Jackie. The Son, prayed to the Father… why would that be a problem to any Christian? I think we see a group of people on one side, who are lessening the Deity of Christ - and causing him to be less than Fully God and Fully Man… this would be Unitarianism … and then we have the JWs stating he was a created being, and not begotten before all ages… I think there are some folks who identify as Oneness Pentecostals - but they are the type who would like to lessen Christ’s humanity…. Dr Bernard does seem to call them out….
Trust you are well.