No oil rings and valve seals! How bad will oil consumption be?
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High oil consumption is highly practical. The car changes the oil while you drive as long as you top up regularly. Just change the filter occasionally. :P
That's like my old Ford, the rear main is blown, so it uses about a quart of oil per 10 gallons of gas, so I fill it up on oil every time I get gas
that's a good one 😂
@@williamletts9487 that’s when you shop for oil at the dollar store 😆
@@chincemagnet sadly no, I still run full synthetic
Don’t forget the benefits of upper cylinder lubrication.
Thanks to BMI Russian for always reposting in english and keeping us entertained!
Yes, truly. Can't be said enough, many thanks BMI without you many of us would have never discovered this awesome channel
What's Russian for "hella fun"? 11:00
Yes thank you BMI!!
What's amazingly funny they burn a tank of oil in a day
Everyone else: 💀
Thank you bmi! I love these guys!
The smoke will be worse when you back off the throttle, (on over-run) as a vacuum is created in the cylinders, pulling in oil down the valve stems and up past the rings. :-)
Hey man odd question, but based on this, is this why they recommend varying loads while breaking in a generator? I am trying to figure out the most effective way to break in engines so they last longer, i am wondering if they rings will seal better.
@@SkylineFinesse yes it will help break in
@@SkylineFinesse on a diesel generator the worst that can happen is not building enough cylinder pressure.
If you want to break it in correctly, you need a pretty good load. Approximately 80% of the maximum load. Just keep an eye on the temps.
What help rings to seal is cylinder pressure, so high RPM with not enough load is the worst. Same problem on gasoline engines, but on diesel engine, if you don't break it in correctly the first time, you can glue your rings in place, and you will basically ruin the engine. (it's called coking the rings, and you will have black/white smoke and wet staking)
Don't forget to make an oil change including the filter pretty soon in the life of the engine.
@@Leroys_Stuff thank you
@@Fabien2626 thank you for the advice it is much appreciated
The holes in the ozone has been fixed by Garage 54 using a thickcloud of oily smoke. Thanks guys
Hahahahaahahah:)
😂😂😂😂😂
In Russia you don't open holes in ozone, holes in ozone opens you
Yes that and melting Antarctica
I knew there would be a climate based comment. I wonder if volcanoes have to go through emissions too.
Oh cool! You guys built a mosquito fogger for the rural areas to use. I'm sure the country folks will appreciate it. 😎
The knocking you heard after removing the rings is probably "piston slap", when the piston is bouncing off the cylinder wall...
Exactly
Pistons slap with rings too.
Yes I taught same, but then I got it.
Oil rings lubricates cylinders. But without oil in all place it start to knock?
Hello Garage 54 team! Nice test😃
Now summer is almost gone for my video idea, but I haven't got answer earlier. I"ll keep sending this message to new videos too, till I got answered😉
Try to make a anfibio car?
Weld many propellos to drive shaft, so own engine will work on water too😂 If using samara, it is easier to use outboard motor👍
I am doing same to my Samara, when it is too rusty after few years😅
Please, do not make Titanic 2😅 Use some arm floats👍
Greetings from Finland from Lada fan... What a car! So reliable and cheap to use!
Using Ladas from year -07! Using Samara and rare model in Finland➡Granta😎
@@mikeznel6048 of course they do! o_O But they're definitely gonna slap a lot more without them! XD
@@henrironkko8708 you should put this on the main thread, not mine!
Haha, my ol' ferd ain't had rings n seals fur years! It was so bad I named er after a forest fire in a town called slave Lake!
😲FAN MOMENT sry
OMFG the legend BURNOOUT MASTER 👍🏻
Legend
Peg you dont need oil rings or blown seals haha
ayeeee, peg. good to see you're a world traveler.
I hated my old ferd. But I have to give it to her, she lasted pretty long, even running on practically no oil!
I wonder how much "adult language" gets filtered out during the English translation. 😎
I hear him say “BLIN” all the time which is like says shoot instead of shit but for the Russian for bitch “blyat”, blin means pancakes btw
Suka Blyat blyat blyat
I still remember a few episodes ago when so withing crazy happened and he said "Muzza Fukka" 😂
I am not a profficient Russian speaker or anything but I think Vlad's language is rather clean. I don't think I've heard a lot of Ebots or Cukas or Blyats. I second the blin, which is kind of like "flip" or "shoot" as described before.
It's not "manly" for Russian men to swear. Fedor Emilienenko, a very famous Russian fighter, is a very good example of this.
As a Russian speaker I can say his language is not to bad there are some "bad words" but it's really just the regular Russian dude speaking
That’s a Lada smoke!
Don't breath this!
*audience groans*
@c3h8O That is the question!
@@operator8014 why
@operator8014 please tell me this is a "will it blend" reference
So Russian cars do have valve seals? Their tanks don’t🤓
@Mona Torkia The industrial version of the v55 engines do have valve seals. I guess for army use it's acceptional to use oil. Cost & simple production are the reason I guess. If they want smoke, they can inject extra fuel into the exhaust. So that's not the reason.
@@Werkplaatsvlog fancy seeing you here milo
Neither do their ships.
Do the old Soviet cars have a catalytic converters?
@Mona Torkia Yes, I had a tough time finding it, but I did find on Wikipedia that the catalytic converter was added in the 90s to the Lada. Thanks.
Removing the oil rings creating piston slap, that’s the knocking it was making at start up…The piston was free to bounce off the cylinder wall with the removal of the oil rings…
Was thinking the same. Thanks for posting!
Congratulations! You just made an 84 Honda Civic! 🤣🤣🤣
My 1985 VW also loves to smoke like that if I let it idle after starting.
This comment is underrated 😂
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@@ItsIdaho That thing was insane. Smoked at least as much as the lada here... And something really peculiar resulted from it... I'm assuming it was diamond, no other realistic explanation... But after enough oil burned in it, it appears the carbon on the valve faces changed over time... I've seen it in very small quantities, usually on the exhaust valve, but this was *caked* and I was unable to even chip it. Looked like fine packed snow. Thick coating... Could have used it for grinding metal if you put it in a drill.
I lost the valve that I took out in a move (it eventually burned not one but two), and have never seen it anywhere else. Web came up empty last time I looked, or my fu sucks lol.
I would love to see someone reproduce it but I'm thinking it will take a while to form. Longer than anyone is willing to wait lol
Many many miles. 20, 30k?
Best comment yet
I'm glad countries all over use the phrase about giving something the "beans."
Maybe its just the translator
It’s just the translator using colloquial English
I heard him say " Holy cow"
I know I love it. Haha we are going to give it the beans. Lol that's awesome.
when the students get on the road they'll see a whole lot of interesting stuff :DDD
so let's get them acclimated :DD
Some racing engines, especially in motorcycles,were never fitted with oil control rings for lower internal friction. Because the tolerances were so tight on the engines not much oil was burned. Honda rc166 is an example
Considering the amazing RPM the RC166 worked at (which was even higher in the 50 twin and the125 five) and how tiny each piston was, I wonder if the physical properties of the oil - and the tiny tolerances of these engines - slowed its capacity to react to the temporary vacuum produced on the overrun. Certainly videos of these engines being warmed up by blipping the throttle do show a puff of smoke every time the throttle is released, but only when the engine has some warmth into it, suggesting that the higher viscosity of the cold oil prevents it from being drawn up into the combustion chambers. At any rate the smoking is never remotely comparable to Vlad's Lada.
@@CaptHollister being racing engines, it's probably fuel smoke you're looking at- them being tuned so rich for racing.
These guys are incredible fabricators. They’d probably make really good money in the US. I’ve learned a lot, just wish I had their skills.
@sw4gr1d 0
That says more about you than him. Greetings Europe
@@Rossiya_Serbs_are_with_you. just as long as it’s not China
"I'm feeling much better, no cough from the virus, ha ha" 20 min later "Give it some more smoke"
Virus is from poison or external distress like pollution or electromagnetic frequencies (5g), not a sickness from people
@@Nubsanders 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Nubsanders 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I've been working on this experiment myself.... My 2008 Saab 9-3 2.0 valve seals from the factory were literally junk... It's a nice veil of smoke though if someone's tailgating you early in the morning after startup
More like the turbo is gone bad.
@@eurobeatmachinist732 BULL
I love this channel, you said it in the intro, "We all know the theory but we've never seen it in practice". These videos should be taught to every mechanic to produce QUALITY mechanics that LOVE their job.
That's a Lada work these guys are doing here, lol, after all these years you guys still amaze me, keep-up the good work, and thanks for sharing.
Still not as bad as Master Milo’s tank….
Lol?Its tank...
Yeah, compare V12 diesel to gasoline lada
guys its a joke
Milo's tank needed the injectors working on, but even then the exhaust cleared at higher revs.
Garage 54 show that while the styling of the car may be a joke Lada's are brutally tough.
@@NJPurling Yeah nothing cant beat old Lada also iam curious what happend when they drive next 50 Km and add oil too probablly spark plugns not working well.
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When you pulled the oil rings off, it would have been a great time to find a compression ring that would fit that groove. The extra compression and vacuum wi
The extra compression while accelerating and vacuum with the throttle lifted would have been a good show also. The valve stem seals usually are more noticeable after an engine is idled for a few minutes and then accelerated as at a red light. I have a Six cylinder Lycoming aircraft engine on an airboat. Most aircraft engines are built without valve stem seals, but they don't sit around at red lights either. I love the shows, you guys must stay up most of the night to think of new stuff to try. Great show keep them coming.
I'd be interested to see if doing this to a diesel would cause a runaway... considering one of the most common reasons why they do is due to excessive oil consumption...
They already did that
@@rome5628 They did add oil into a diesel manually by putting a hose with an oil bottle onto the intake. That’s something else from removing the oil retain rings
Just put premix in the case lol
@@billbergen9169 That'd do it lol
Oil coming by worn out oil ring that let pass more than expected wouldn't cause a runaway diesel, it is just not enough. Contrary to a destroyed turbo that has dramatic leaking seal which is the most common cause to runaway.
"That's a Lada smoke!!!" :P
Haha 😄 🤣
In Soviet Russia Lada smokes you.
I've tested this too. My snowblower has no oil ring or valve seals. It burns about as much oil as it does fuel, maybe even a bit more.
Just like my toyota tercel, i gotta top up the oil twice per everytime i gas up XD
It looks like 2 employees doing camera +1 assistant, feels like he's also talking to them. That sparkplug moment.
We drilled a hole into the exhaust manifold and fitted a copper tube. Then ran a hose to the wiper fluid container and used diesel instead of wiper fluid. Then when driving the car and giving it some diesel with use of the wiper fluid lever it smoked so much through the tail pipe. We did use a V6 though.
My 2001 Cadillac Deville Northstar engine with 166k miles, had a blown head gasket. The number one cylinder was leaking exhaust into the coolant system. One of the 4 bolts around the cylinder, threads were stripped out. The number cylinder was also raw. So I removed the piston and horn it out. I decided to rebuild the engine because all the compression rings were loose. I could not get the pistons to go back in with the new oil control rings. So I put 4 piston back in without oil control rings and 4 with old oil control rings. Until I found this video. I didn't think anyone had ever done this before. I'm going to upload a video to show if any smoke come out the tail pipe.
Now as the oil control rings are removed, it pretty much behaves similarily to an Audi 1.8/2.0 TFSI ^^
I had a couple of cars in the 80's that used to smoke worse than this Lada and they just had worn piston rings! It used to be quite common to see a bunch of cars smoking like steam trains back then, and as for the lorries! Mental dense black clouds used to belch out of those and I remember buses being one of those smokers! My sister loved the smell of the diesel smoke though!
The car is admittedly not new. I'm glad he said that i would have never known.
When I was a kid I had a 87 Ford escort, after sitting overnight when I start the engine there would be thick white smoke out the tall pipe. For 5 minutes it would smoke out the whole neighborhood. Nobody could see within a square block. I finally get rid of it when the clutch went.😁
sounds like fun to rev shit out of it to produce even more smoke
I am reminded about my first car, an old Lada Riva. The cylinder head spent time in the bath being cleaned before I took it to have the valve seals replaced.
The rattling you are getting from the engine after removing the piston rings will be piston slap because the pistons are now lose in the cylinders
Somehow this doesn't sound right but I don't have a better explanation lol
It would seem to me that the pistons would still move laterally unrestricted regardless of the presence of the rings... And should glide vertically just the same...?
Shrug. Explanation would be good haha
@@MadScientist267 the pistons will effectively be wobbling as they go up and down the cylinder walls because the piston rings are not present to hold the pistons steady the pistons will still go up and down but will just be wobbling as they do so that is why they call it piston slap because the pistons are effectively slapping the cylinder walls hence the rattling noise
Thanks, that makes some sense...
@@Pwills Ah ok so they are providing a stabilizing/damping effect
@@MadScientist267 yes amongst sealing the cylinders for compression they do also help with stabilisation I'm not very good at explaining things
My older brother had an old Harley and was going to put rings in it. What he got was an oil ring missing replaced with a compression ring. He put it together and yes the cylinder with a normal ring rather than an oil ring did smoke some. He rode it a long time that way.
Thank you for this frame size, that fits all my screen. Its not that often
I love how they did most of it inside, I hope the shop is well ventilated
If you ever was in any bigger city I have bad news for you then.
@@PREDATEURLT I've been to Manhattan, im pretty sure the air there is worse than smoking
@@optionalcoast7478 Yeah, and you can't ventilate whole city.
@@PREDATEURLT I mean I avoid cities also
Wow, you've done more miles in the making of this video than my car has done in 9 years.
Is it broken? That's like 25 miles.
I once totally blotted out the A1 with smoke from my Austin A40.
Similar with a diesel Merc E220cdi
I did similar with a MK1 MX5. It burned about a litre of oil in 40 miles.
Ahhhh, the good old days.
interesting and useful to know when to replace oil rings and valve seals
They invented a Oil Holic lada, how wonderful. Still a nice and educational video
America: we must reduce emissions, full electric!
Russia: we’ll be removing the valve seals and oil rings. “I’ll be giving it some beans”
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"Up yours, Greta!"
G54.....one of the most awesome channels on youtube. Don't ever stop coming up with the goofiest automotive shenanigans ever!!!
I mean if it was walking 50ks or driving that Lada. I'm driving the mosquito control Lada.
What about walking 50km or driving behind it
I once had a Honda with about 300,000 miles on the original engine. It used about a quart of oil a week, but it just kept on going and going. The valve stem seals were shot and it just wasn't worth fixing, so, kept driving. Summertime smoke show was amazing lol.
I had a lawnmower that smoked worse than that lol
Looked like the thumbnail, dead serious.
Reminds me of my first car, used to use tons of oil smoke like a trooper, but on the up side I always got nice Christmas cards from Castrol 😁
I got a good challenge for ya, if that Lada Engine is a cross flow head, reverse the flow and put the carb on the driver's side and exhaust on the passenger side.
Lmao man!!
It's not. intake and exhaust holes are next to eachother. exhaust mainfold is directly below intake
@@lordred7462 yeah that sucks, I was hoping it would be like a pinto motor and be a cross flow head
@@ericblack1477 it's not. have one lada samara on restoration, engine is on table in parts. Incredible simple engine, 4 cylinder, 4 stroke, 8 valves OHC carburated engine.
@@lordred7462 I used to build pinto Engines for racing, 2000cc and 2300cc. Lada engine almost looks like it was modeled after the pinto engines. the 2.0 pinto engine I was able to get them to push around 280hp. I'm willing to bet them Lada engines can do the same.
G54 is the most entertaining yt car channel, bar-none
I would love to see y’all take an engine cam weld bigger cam lobes on it to see if it would work.
Or jb weld
This is actually pretty common in racing. In karts some people would weld then regrind their cams to get the perfect lift on the valves. This was before you could buy anything you wanted over the internet and had to make things yourself. My father had a machine shop and they would blueprint kart motors all the time
Just grind the base circle down.
glad you are doing better.
What about a snow injection manifold?
Or a water spray into the upper exhaust headers to create a steam machine?
Welcome back. Glad to hear you are feeling well again
"Some engine builder you are." Lmao
In the days of yorn a common advice to check engine condition was to coast down a long hill then look in the mirror at the bottom as you hit the accelerator. Volvo pushrod engines could however smoke badly in such cases but still run fine for years, the real killer of the Volvo pushrods was too cold thermostats, people would put 82c thermostats and think it was good for the engine, there was even 78c thermostats available for the B16.
That spark plug looks like it's from a trabant. (because it has a two stroke engine)
That's what I was thinking, that spark plug would have been alright in one 😅.
I have to say that is pretty economical with oil burning... My ex car was eating much more than this and behind me nothing was easy to see torugh the fog.... This is a freacking tuff car. Lada never dies! Especially when you try to kill her
Rule of thumb in USA difference of min-max is 1 QT on cars and light duty trucks and 1 gal on commercial type heavy duty trucks like tractor trailers and big diesels
Leave an oil slick on the track for students to test skid control.👍🏻
The shape of that car is so cool, I love it.
Removing valve stem seals can vary between engines as to smoke. Aussie Valiant Hemi sixes would give a big cloud on starting only when the seals were buggered, fine while driving though. Their valve stem seals are different than most though.
Hey, got a video idea for you guys:
Instead of a using a normal steering wheel, replace it with a "Tilt/push wheel".
In doing so, replacing the rotary action of a normal steering wheel with a push/pull action.
I'd love to see how this works, and if it'd be best with a 1:1 ratio, or something else.
Thanks guys.
Nah, the push/pull should be for accelerator and forward/reverse like the forward controls on an outboard motor boat.
You could use a stick, like in a boat.
I see oil smoke coming across the Bering Strait into Alaska ;) Great vids!!!
This is the moment I realized my RV doesn't have oil rings anymore
What I noticed when I had bad valve seals was smoke during deacceleration and downshifting when there is higher cylinder vacuum.
Rollin' oil
Do it again, but this time with a Diesel car! LOL
"Oh shit! Why won't it stop?!"
this is great as a reference for diagnosis.
We had 71 Chevy Nova, 230 6 cylinder . Old lady owned it so it was carboned up and smoked. We revved it up and poured a quart of ATF down the carb in an attempt to crystallize the carbon deposit and it would blow off. We took it for run down the highway to clear it out and it smoked so bad the police pulled us over ! Lol
Video idea:
Steel pistons
Why?
Lower heat conductivity but also higher thermal stability.
Engine would have hot spots but lower conductivity so would it transfer heat to charge fast enough for it to knock?
If it does knock, how long does it survive?
Haven't most engines used steel pistons anyway or is it only cast iron/aluminum?
Yes, a considerable amount of newer diesel engines do use steel pistons to handle the extreme heat and pressure they now produce
@@floridianrailauto9032 mostly cast, forged or hypereutectic aluminium because it's heat conductivity is over 200 W/(mK) so it stays cold enough to retain strength and is light enough to reduce inertia.
Aluminium is less dense and less strong so thicker section also allows the aluminium piston to sustain more bending moment when accelerating rapidly.
There are a very few applications for steel pistons. Malhe came up with steel diesel pistons a while ago but never heard of them again.
@@ElectronsOnly hmm.. , don't know much about diesels, should look into them. 🤷🏻♂️
N63 owners already know what's up
I have an idea! See if you can cut a cylinder head in half and run on half the cylinders. Might be fun!!
When turbo seals go out it smokes even more. The oil that's supposed to run into the bearing runs straight into the exhaust and the turbo eventually burns up. We had sparks shooting out of the exhaust and rolled into a gas station with a huge wave of oil smoke behind us to buy 4 quarts of oil. We got home with no oil on the dipstick and it still isn't locked up no clue how.
I love how the green car is indoors. Im sure the shop fan is on
watching u since 1 year watched all your videos always wait to see u so much from pk :)
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Here in Britain, the worst cars you see on the road for leaving plumes of thick blue and black smoke are ‘05 and ‘06 Ford Mondeo and Ford S-Max. As well as the occasional Vauxhall Zafira.
I would like to see some thicker oil. Or some stop leak or some stop smoke oil additives to see if it would help at all
I used to have a car that used about 1qt (a less than 1L) of oil between oil changes (3000 miles or about 5000km) but it would go through 1qt of oil during one track day event. Never saw it smoke, but I was paying attention to what was in front of me rather than behind most of the time. Anyway, the reason I say that is that how the car is driven has a huge effect on how much oil it uses. This particular car had kind of a high rpm engine (7500rpm redline) so most of the time on the track was spent between 6000-7000rpm.
I want to see a 16 valve engine running on only 8 valves and then compare the power loss and fuel consumption.
Yes!
I did that with my 1991 Honda Civic. A little more low-end torque and a huge loss at higher rpm. Fuel economy is hard to accurately measure, but it seemed to help.
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Depends which valves, pick all of them to be exhaust or all intakes and the power loss will be 100% and the fuel consumption will be zero. :-/ :-)
My brothers Prius used so much oil that he would come back with nothing on the dipstick after a day out. We never changed the oil only kept topping it off and changed the filter.
Yes we were VERY worried about you here in the States.
Without the wiggly piston ring, or the "oil spreader" ring I think the cylinder was hitting metal cylinder wall. That last ring is made for wiping the oil evenly across the walls
How about taking a V-8 powered car and removing one piston at a time to see how many you can remove and still drive the car.
Most cars are approximately 1L from min to max. (5l total capacity)
Ho' dup! Do you still have the turbo ZR in the thumbnail?! Looks super minty clean!
Why is this russian genleman and the boys so popular in Europe? Becauce their friendly attitude and fun experiments. We love Vlad and the boys.
You guys are flipping awesome 👏 !!! All of you guys videos are super interesting and fun to watch!, keep up the great content 🤟
Drove a farm truck back in the day that smoked a little less than this did
The car seems to be using an inordinate amount of engine oil.
Perhaps it would be beneficial to replace the drain-plug with a wine bottle cork?
Another directly relevant suggestion:
Would it improve matters to engineer a mechanism that would triple or quadruple the speed of the windshield wipers?
My first car smoked like that, got to the stage that I was putting old sump-drainings back in, it used so much.
I'm interested in it's fuel consumption and power output now it's burning oil.
It sounded livelier without the rings. The carby can be tuned to compensate for oil.
Is the Lada using less petrol because it's burning oil?
Could a catalyst and dpf filter catch all of these emissions?
Looking forward to more Lada madness!!!
Thanks Garage54
of course not. catalyst and especially dpf will be very quickly clogged with carbon gunk and engine will stall.
Well! Now I know why my old 1998 Toyota Camry used to smoke, a lot, upon starting, and why the thing would eat a bottle of oil per week. Obviously it wasn't this dramatic, and it didn't smoke while driving. I'd say at least one of the valve seals was faulty.
The Land Rover in the thumbnail was a jeep in Ireland, in Galway that had a run away.
Wow Garage 54 you don't need click bait thumbnails
Try same experiment with a DIESEL vehicles 🙏
Someone likes runaway engines lol
@@nobodynoone2500 They already did
So when driving, you stop at a garage, and ask them to fill the oil and check the petrol.
I see quite a few vehicles that smoke like that, some even worse, that they make an effective smoke screen if you drive behind them.
I know an older man who owned a old well worn LaSalle when in high school in the 40's. He would stop into a service station with a 5 gallon bucket and ask for oil. The attendant would ask what type, and he would reply "drain", the used oil from oil changes.
That Freelander run away video that the picture is from was here in Ireland. Up mayo In the all Ireland final 😂😂😂
You should do an experiment, on how long an engine last, if you feed sandblower sand on it when it runs.
You should slowly pour a cup of water into the carb while the revs were up to see if it would clean the plugs..