Lovejoy in Ignoring your fans!!!
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- The band with frontman Wilbur Soot is back after a short break, and their Instagram comments are going wild! A conflict has arisen between their supporters and those who mock them! Meanwhile the band is ignoring all of it!
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To quote a man’s own words
“What’s this? The consequences of my actions?”
I feel so bad if it was Ted that directed the music video. The first two were amazing, and seeing how passionate he was in the bts, I can’t imagine having this situation happen, were you can’t put your name on your work, and have to hide any pride behind it
and even if it wasnt ted, this goes for whoever directed the video anyway
or ted has a contract with them which "forces" him to make music videos with them but made the decision not to put his name on it, because people would get mad at him
@@Nebdyr Or more the more plausible idea, he probably just did this prior to the cancellation and privately contacted them to take his name off of the project. Regardless, it's best not to speculate BC it will end up taking away from the point which is Wilbur le bad and the dumb cunt needs to provide this proof of he is "truly innocent"
"the only festival they didnt cancel" probably the only festival that didnt kick them out
Nah festivals don’t give a damn about who is playing there as long as they bring in the money. They probably did cancel on their own accord.
@@Vivienne-tf4ik oh yeah itd probably be dangerous for them to go even
I think it's because more people in Japan don't know as much about Wilbur.
Other than the music video just being in the “style” of Ted’s, he also posted something on Instagram a few months ago basically saying he directed the music video which means he most certainly directed it and wanted his name off the project
was that posted before or after the abusing came to light?
@@GmeareTed made the music video months BEFORE Wilbur admitted to the situation
I still listen to lvjy. As far as I can tell, Wilbur’s STATEMENT (not apology) said that it was consensual, and Shubble said that it wasn’t. There have been other ppl who’ve accused him of stuff, but most of those have been disproven. It’s basically a he said she said scenario and there’s no evidence for either side. Therefore I would feel neutral, but other stuff has happened recently. Shubble has been going on stream and dismissing stuff like depression and trying to kill Will’s career and basically being a horrible person (on top of supporting those who tell Will to khs and dox him). In fact, if you go online there’s more evidence to suggest that Will was the one being abused, and Shubble’s cousin confirmed that she hit him.
Whilst I don’t think ppl should be supporting Will, what Shubble has done recently is unnecessary and outright horrible imo, and therefore I don’t like or support her. Also, this should have been taken to court, not the internet, where ppl heard the original story and have completely ignored the idea of innocent until proven guilty.
I still listen to lvjy and occasionally watch old Wilbur vids bc ultimately, he’s barely gonna make anything off of it, and his career is dying anyway, the Shubble fans have already won, intentionally not listening to him to avoid him making money is kinda pointless imo
But until we have real evidence, no hate should be spread and death threats shouldn’t be sent even if there is evidence. Bit of a long rant but oh hum lol.
Oh and one more thing: for those who’ve been saying that Will’s friends would’ve supported him if he was innocent, no they almost certainly would not have. The problem with being famous online is that unproven controversy can kill your career (as shown with Will). Supporting an alleged abuser is a terrible idea, and some of his friends (like Tommy) try to avoid controversy for this reason.
Also, this argument can go either way. Why haven’t Shubble’s friends confirmed that Will bit her, as allegedly Will showed off the bruises and joked about them to their friends, yet ppl like JackManifold who have responded have said that they are shocked by the situation and that they never thought he’d do something like that.
You're still supporting him weather you think so or not watching his videos and music is still giving him money it doesn't matter how much he still Gets revenue from it also multiple said it was not consensual even he admitted to it.
@@y3wnzznn he denied it being non-consensual
I think if Ted did direct it, it was obviously made before the allegations and just hadn't been published before now. Which might also been because he was trying to get them to detach his name from it.
i don’t support wilbur but im still listening to lovejoy, like 90% of the artists i listen to (you mention kanye in the video he’s a good example) are problematic. so if i stopped listening to people just because they’re bad people i’d not listen to 90% of the best music i’ve heard
5:30 As far as I'm aware, it was consensual to a point, they had a safe word, but even when she, shubble, would use it, he would continue biting, sometimes biting harder. It honestly makes perfect sense that, in his eyes, this wasn't abusive, since the biting presumably started out being consensual and abusers, ones that are fairly mentally unstable anyways, don't normally see themselves as an abuser. And especially for people who have been victims themselves and have trauma, it could be even more difficult for an abuser to see themselves for what they've truly become.
Also by no means am I trying to justify what wilbur soot has done, in fact, I think it's gross that he used his mental instability as a way to get away with abuse, I'm only trying to explain a very possible reason behind why his "apology" said that.
No he would not. He stopped
@@ElAnimatesAtTimes Again, as far as I remember, shubble said on stream that he wouldn't always stop, and often ignored the safe word. Please feel free to watch the vod and tell me if I got anything wrong though, have a nice day!! :D
@@cubby_dragon07ggThe second vod upon Wilbur’s 30 second/1 minute long update video, Shelby said that Wilbur did stop after she said the safeword - which is confusing because it means that the crux of the issue was her lies. Likely it is backtracking to avoid legal trouble.
@@socire72 is the video posted by wilbur or shelby? if its by shelby i understand why she said it, its very low odds people are legally proven what is genuinely true.
I do agree. Typically in psychology, people who are bad people don’t see themselves as bad people. In fact a lot of bad people see themselves as good people, and when they do bad things they justify it (eg an abusive parent hitting their kids to “make them stronger” or “teach them a lesson”). Most people don’t go out thinking “hey, I’m gonna hit my partner today because I’m a bad person”. They do it because they’re angry, or they think it’s funny, or they do it not realizing it’s painful for other people, so on.
I’ve also seen people try to excuse Wilbur’s behavior with the fact that he had a troubled upbringing, but that’s absolutely not an excuse. Traumatized people become good people DESPITE being abused, not as a result. It’s very easy for abused people to become bitter about the world and selfish. I’d know, I know many of them.
I just wanted to point something out that is very crucial to this well animated video! You are true, we can’t call that an apology. He never said “sorry” or “I apologize” 😊😊
it wasnt meant to be an apology, its a statement
I thought he was sorry for being a bad boyfriend???? 💀
@@XFadedXSunX that seems like the most logical conclusion.
Shelby and Rue (Rue also said the biter was abusive towards her) were with lovejoy during the og us tour, so assuming that they're telling the truth (which I am) some of the abuse was likely happening on the tour bus, in front of the other members. They knew, and they didn't care at the time, and they don't care now :/
and zoe the trumpeter, who not only was on the tour bus with them, but was actively performing with them (granted not on the us tours, but she did literally say she was abused and bitten) :(((((((
@hlwvyn_ oh I didn't even know about that, that's even worse :(
They both have no proof
Waaaa waaa 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭mate shut up she doesn’t have proof either
@@ElAnimatesAtTimes girl... ur the one whining. just look at all the comments u made 💀
this was actually a good video it needs more views
Thanks you :D
I don’t support Wilbur but I still listen to love joy, I don’t get how people say that Shelby is the ‘real abuser’ when those people don’t have any proof and are just going off words only probably only from like one person saying these things, when a bunch of people like nihachu and I forgot who else said their own stuff on how Wilbur hurt them and manipulated them and stuff, plus there’s past evidence of Wilbur biting and stuff too and those people just don’t believe them???
“They don’t have any real proof”… same with Shubble.
Nihachu was confronted by shubble’s fans and just asked to be left alone.
Past evidence of wilbur biting actually makes his case more convincing. The biting isnt the issue, the consent is. The past evidence likely means this is a maladaptive neurological condition or involuntary tick. There’s also a chance it could be a kink. We don’t know because there’s no evidence.
Also, Shelby’s cousin accused Shelby of being abusive towards Wilbur, slapping him and verbally abusing him during an argument (literally domestic violence). Again no evidence was provided so we all should leave this alone so that no one gets affected - although i think it’s too late for that.
@@socire72 yeah (sorry idk how to respond to that there’s just lots words)
@@socire72 wouldn’t Wilbur tell everyone if it was a “involuntary tick”?
@@XavoCraft No, because this is a serious legal issue, you can’t just say things and you have to be careful. Plus I was speculating.
TYSM FOR MAKING A VIDEO ABT THIS 🙏
As someone who founded comfort on wilburs content and music including lovejoy for many years it's so sad seeing people defending him when it's extremely clear that he's a horrible person that didn't even had the audacity to apologize correctly for his actions
hes proven innocent + we already had proof + shubble us a whiny bitch who cant provide evidence
@@heartmitski "When it's extremely clear" When?? When was it ever been clear? 😭 Nobody outside knows more than half of this story! Also he denies about abusing her.
~Y
@@YuriSootxMariiSoot personally I think its obvious if none of his near friends defend him. I don’t think he denied abusing her, his response was basically 1:20
@@heartmitski Then that wouldn't necessarily explains why the band members would choose to stay then. If you didn't know, Joe, Ash, Mark and Leandra are still with him (unless they're like, psychopaths if allegations were true, ig)
~Y
@@YuriSootxMariiSoot cuz they're kinda as bad as him. Ofc they didn't have any abuse allegations but I heard both Ash and Mark were racist and Josh was the only non problematic one but since he chooses to stay with Wilbur and the others it doesn't make him that innocent
also I'm not 100% sure but most likely everyone has been saying that they are (I don't have twitter or anything to know if they ever tweeted something racist or whatever allegations they have) :)
I'm personally not on either side because of the lack of evidence, but I'm leaning more towards Will. It's just funny to me how a not-so-popular streamer abruptly comes out with allegations with little to no evidence to back it up. Plus, she's been accused of accusing ex's of domestic abuse. We never see Shelby with scars or bruises, but Will on the other hand is s different story. If you look closely to streams and pictures back then, he often had a lot of marks and bruises. Also, in a lot of pictures with Shelby, he seems visibly uncomfortable. And adding what Shelby's cousin said, basically stating that Shelby hit Will, I'm mostly thinking that she started this to keep light off her if Will ever came out eith allegations. I wholeheartedly believe in innocent until proven guilty, and in my opinion, more evidence is against Shelby. But again, I'm not exclusively on either side..
to be fair model buses is about lodon and boris johnson not an abusive relasonship😭still great video!! u deserve more views
Uff, I knew this was about some kind of metaphor! But still thats all I could think about :/
yeah only relevant songs are Your Sister Was Right, Losing Face (these don’t apply to Shubble though). Most of Mammalian Sighing Reflex excluding the ones about anxiety or the short ones (seemingly also contain clues about Shubble hitting Wilbur??? ‘ i stand just out of reach of your fists’ ‘hit me now before this gets too cute, dont make me beg in this hotel room’), and also Ill look Good when im sober.
@@8am_skull During an interview, the question "what are your hobbies?" was posed to Boris Johnson. It seemed that he had no hobbies at all and had to make one up on the spot, saying something like "he likes painting model of buses." Wilbur mentioned in the video that he has a bus and a bike, pointing to Boris's intentions to introduce Boris buses To London.
I would like to remind people that Shubble never said Wilbur’s name in the og video - it was WILBUR who said online that that was him and confirmed his involvement. Yes we don’t know a lot about the situation, so truth can be debated if you want. But Wilbur confirmed Shubbles words and his involvement
EDlT: I just want to say thanks for doing the video the way you did. I liked how you focused more on the affects on the Band rather than the Shubble vs Wilbur
This is true, but people were doing detective work and basically confirmed it was him. Which is what made him respond. If he hadn’t said anything we might have still known.
@@unidentifiedmogwai1321cause she literally said the certain ex boyfriend that did those is a tall british man who's also a popular content creator
@@unidentifiedmogwai1321cause she literally said the certain ex boyfriend that did those is a tall british man who's also a popular content creator
1:43 You have got to be kidding me? An “apology”? Seriously? It’s not an apology, it’s a statement.. big difference. [FYI] I’m on neither side as BOTH have little to no evidence with only half the story… Yes, half. 😮
Thank you! This video was incredibly biased
After so long, this comment's FYI managed to summarize my personal opinion on this situation.
"I want to extend my sincerest apologies for any pain that I caused"
He did apologize people just glossed over it because they wanted to be angry and not believe him, and he never said he was a good person or boyfriend, he admitted he wasn't a good boyfriend at times.
He only said the biting wasn't happening in an abusive way and was consensual, but still said sorry for any pain he caused her, when someone is trying to deflect blame, they almost always use "I'm sorry if" not "I'm sorry for" and honestly, Shelby has been pretty unhinged at times and really gives me red flags.
For now, I'm staying neutral, but I'm tired of people's arguments being "Wilbur never apologized, it wasn't sincere! He admitted to abusing her!" When he clearly says "The allegations of abuse, particularly in the form of biting deeply shocked me" and clearly apologized in the statement.
He never tried to make himself look like this perfect person who never hurt anyone and was someone to look up to, he says not to look up to him, he says in some songs he's not a good person.
I don't think he's evil, just broken, he's lost a lot and has been through horrible things.
Finally someone who actually did read the tweet and don’t just trust the “oh, he he didn’t apologise and he’s a terrible person”. I like how people say that he did a real crime, instead of, I don’t know, calling police?! Like, if these mfs have enough evidence that he did that, they probably could prove it to the judge
everyone point and laugh at the abuser apologist over here
@@DoNotTouchMyMusic I said I was staying neutral on the matter, I only pointed out that people arguing he didn't apologize and said he admitted to abusing Shelby were wrong, he said sorry for any pain he caused her, not "oh yeah I abused her guys"
@@DoNotTouchMyMusic how are they an abuser apologist?
for me, Lovejoy's music was like a drug I had to quit. Being s huge fan of Wilbur for a long time, it was a hard thing to see a person you admire be exposed as an ahole. But i still support Shelby no matter what
Wilbur and the chew toys
OMGOMGMGO THANKKK YOUUU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO BECAUSE PEOPLE DEFENDING WILBUR HAS BEEN GIVING ME A HEADACHE
First video I watched from you. Subbed!
Thanks :)
Am I getting this correctly? Can someone explain?
1) Girl and unstable guy in a relationship.
2) Guy's love language is biting, and so they have a safe word. Girl says it started out consensual but he started ignoring the safe word, then proceeds to say that he did not ignore it. ? .
3) Mental instability happens and the guy is filthy and leaves trash around for the girl to clean up. Break up.
4) Girl sheds light on the situation. Looks very sad, says she couldn't even get herself to go to a therapist. Doesn't show any marks.
5) Guy responds by admitting to liking biting.
6) Guy's career is permanently stained and mostly ruined.
So... Why are people acting like he killed someone? Hit Shubble? I just don't understand. Most bite marks go away the same day, harder bite marks go away in a week, month at most if it's a particularly hard bite. Why are people telling Will to unalive? Can somebody just explain i can't anymore with this
Abuse is abuse, while i do agree telling him to khs is a bit extreme, we shouldnt just forgive him
@@JrwiWatcher I don't know she just acted very contradictory as I've stated already and I don't really get it I suppose. I asked for a genuine explanation tbh... Plus he said it was consensual, which is also weird
I'd like to add that she said that the biting wasn't the issue, it was the effects of his actions (treating her like a maid during his depression, dismissing her emotional needs, being overly mean to her) that hurted her. I believe people are/were very emotional by this because she said it was abuse.
Usually intentions are important for us to understand whether they meant it or not. Also, change is a factor in this. It's kinda similar to when you flirt with someone back then and were okay with them being touchy. However, change occurs and when you remember that event, you begin to feel sick about it. Would you call it harassment? (I say this because I recall it's been said the biting was/is consensual??)
I hope they're both healing and when they are in a MUCH better state, they can actually bring this to court and deal with it like adults. Them bringing this to the internet has ruined some people (people who love Wilbur or people who are anxious for Shubble).
OOP, THIS TURNED INTO A RANT HELP
THE BRITON BITER ‘0’ THATS WILD
Wow so funny /sarc
it was funny first week, can't you come up with something new?
I'm honestly not sure how to feel in the situation, it's hard to listen to an artist you know did bad stuff, but people say to me "well I listen to Michael Jackson, etc' and they done worse things" which is fair. (I know they're not the same level in music and fame) and I also want to believe the rest of the band are good people. I really love their music and in the beginning I imagined me singing it so it made it easier. But know I'm conflicted, is what Wilbur did enough for me to stop listening to a band I love when other people are listening to artists that done worse stuff?
Separate the art from the artist
The thing about michael jackson is that he’s dead and isn’t actually making money off of you listening. This guy on the other hand is still actively making music
Finally someone’s talking about this situation omggg
the way some people are supporting will saying “well shelby never provided any evidence1!11!1!!” well did wilbur provide evidence that he DIDNT abuse her other than his “apology”?? people were so quick to go back to him once they started missing his jokes and songs. like, hell, i miss the songs too. the band was amazing, his music was amazing, but that doesn’t mean i’m gonna act like he is innocent, much less a victim in this situation.
You are aware that the accuser has to bring in the evidence for an accusation. This is how it should always go, otherwise I could claim, that you did something without proof, which would not be able to be disproven, if the burden of proof laid on you. Therefore your argument is not valid and the accused is innocent, until proven guilty. Still we should be sceptic about the accused, as they could be a perpetrator, but the accusor could aswell be the real perpetrator. I wish you a nice day, Cheers.
Have you never heard of innocent until proven guilty? like even courts of law ask for evidence for any allegation at all, and if it is not provided the court will consider the person innocent. You really need to do your homework before just blatantly accusing someone of these serious charges.
Im waiting for more evidence to make a full opinion
I think both people who over defend shubble or over defend wilbur are pretty weird
PREACH MY BROTHER! PREACH!
3:10 OMG EXACTLY THE REASON WHY I STOPED LISTENING TO LOVEJOY
IN THIS CASE, YOU LITERALLY CAN'T SEPARATE THE ART FROM THE ARTIST, IF THE SONG IS LITERALLY ABOUT THE ARTIST'S EXPERIENCES 😭
5:31 very well could he be waiting for the situation to stir down. he did it with the incel saga
I personally think everything you covered in this video can be pinned down to a resolution of "who cares?". Because in this situation there's only a few groups of people that are privy to it, and they've either moved on or haven't. I'm going to kinda sloppily list some things and would love to hear your response or anyone elses to whatever I have to say. [Notes somewhat directed at the video will be in square brackets].
1. Vote with your viewership: You have proven that you are morally superior (huzzah) so instead of giving your attention (which is your one monetizable resource in this industry) you could just move on, or you could go on listening whatever the world's yours innit. Because hate comments still count as engagement and drive the group to newer audiences. [Furthermore creating a video in order to take advantage of an increase in searches the band will be getting from the start of the tour somewhat removes whatever moral highground you had amassed from said public disapproval].
2. Who is this video for: Let's be real, everyone seeing this video is either still a fan or was at one point to the degree that they kinda know all of this already and have moved on. So with that dichotomy (which i think is reasonable), I just wonder what the purpose of this video is, because it either is to; convince current fans that they are wrong, farm clicks, or to just make an opinion piece [which you are completely entitled to do] however since it's kind of just a piece that spouts the same opinion that can be found in quite easily elsewhere, that reason doesn't really provide validation.
3. Nitpicks with the video: Insinuating that if "I'll Look Good When I'm Sober" was a good song by your metric {I personally enjoy it for example}, then it would be price enough for the world to forgive the allegations was funny.
I really hope my tone comes across correctly I tried my best :D
Reason for this video was honestly to get this topic out of my system and hopefully do so for everyone else :)
@@8am_skull Fair enough, honestly it can be exhausting just seeing people throw the same shit at the wall for months so i see where you’re coming from
No Skull that is NOT what Model Buses is about.
Still subbing.
welp, time to go on another EVIDENCE HUNTING SPREE BC I CANT TAKE ANY OF THIS SERIOUSLY AAAAA
saw a comment w how wilburs fans defend him, shelby's fans call him nicknames etc. making it so none of this is seriously taken. cuz truly, none of this feels real, no one can believe either side well enough to make a clear decision.
3:42 that song is kind of weird and ironic? now let me tell you that *slaps a piece of paper on the table* What's this, the consequences of my actions, now?
subbed, good criticism ofc, good video
even if he wasn’t abusive the response is so weird? no actual apology and the band isn’t saying anything?? if he isn’t abusive there’s something else going on clearly
Also there was another girl that had arguably worst allegations (more manipulation, potential SA) and he never responded to that
this is so underrated bro its so good
So true!!!!
dude i love your vids!
Thx mate :3
Well, it seems to me that any adult will say regarding the Shelby and Wilbur accusations that the whole situation is fucking crap. The prosecutor has no evidence regarding the entire situation, and Shelby's accusations are quite serious, but for this case to be worth anything, there must be substantial evidence, and not empty chatter on streams. And I like how people simply ignore the fact that William’s tweet is not an apology, but a position regarding the situation, but people on Twitter got so angry that they just gave up on the accused. regarding niachu's opinions, I'm not sure because I didn't fully understand the whole situation, however, she just said "well, he treated me badly" and no specifics. Regarding minx, I’m also not completely sure of the situation, however, if I’m not mistaken, her moment in her career is not very convenient and, in principle, she is a very dubious character at that time, but I cannot be precise. In the end, we still have nothing! only two dubious people who do not say anything specific. according to Shelby's stories, their friends saw that Wilbur treated her very badly and they can confirm this, so WHERE THEY ARE, not one of the people in their company spoke out about this situation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. ((it is important to understand that they directly interacted with them and if they really confirm that willam relates to shelby as she described, then this would be a real significant thing regarding the accusations)). If people read william’s tweet without anger and calmly (like adequate people) maybe people would look at the situation differently, and not throw shit at them and pointlessly shout “he literally confirmed this in a tweet, Willbur should be cancelled!” It’s a pity that people on Twitter have a large portion of brainless people , if they even hear something wrong, they will immediately start canceling and throwing tomatoes at the person.
Thought of the text: THE UNPROVED ACCUSATIONS REMAINS THE UNPROVED ACCUSATIONS(sorry for the text, I used a translator)
How u gonna be calling people brainless with these takes 💀
“Always believe the victim until it’s someone who has some sort of fame” -You, probably
many of the nibbler's old friends have made statements saying that they support shelby (philza, ranboo, etc) which means that they do believe shelby. considering that they were behind the scenes and would have seen what was going on and that nobody is jumping to his defense is pretty telling. all of his friends that didn't make a statement simply abandoned him and refuse to mention him by name like hes fucking voldemort, which again, seems like they know something about the situation that makes them not want to talk to/about him or defend him.
for someone accusing people of being brainless, it's clear you're haven't thought very hard about this.
stop being delulu pls
@@rommie8907 regarding Wilbur's streaming partners and his friends, what do you think they should have said? Streaming for these people is a job, they work with an audience and if they say something that does not coincide with the opinion of their audience, it can ruin their career (example - wilbur soot). + none of them said that they knew anything specific about this whole situation. Basically, the streamers’ position was “support the victims,” which is a neutral, correct position for a media person, because it applies not only to a certain situation, but to all similar ones. and again, these people hardly know anything specific that happened in their relationship and now what do we do? will we now accept as evidence the opinions of media people whose job is literally not to lose viewers, but rather to increase them? where are the photographs, where are the phone calls? The meaning of the text: PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ON THE INTERNET ARE NOT EVIDENCE :/
(Yes, I know that in any case they communicated behind the scenes, but it also works the other way. How do you know that they all stopped communicating? m? maybe they still communicate behind the scenes? and the fact is that this is all their PERSONAL. and they can say whatever they want on screens to people, but do something completely different in real life, which is normal, because they are people just like us and they have their own personal lives and things that they can hide if they want. Meaning of the mini text: PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN THINGS THAT THEY CAN HIDE FROM SOCIETY AND THIS IS NORMAL, SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY REALLY STOP COMMUNICATING?)
and basically the relationship between wilbur and shellby is their own business. which should not concern us, and if a person really broke the law and did something terrible, then this should be resolved not through streams and stupid accusations, but through... the police! otherwise shellby looks stupid to me personally ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯
Hey, One of the Wilbur supporters... not as in loving on his alleged abusive behaviours, but kind of supporting him cause he's a human after all. He has made some bad stuff like everyone is hearing right now..
and i know that those are bad and crimes, but he can recover and he could and should that's the only thing i am rooting for because he has mental health issues a long time ago and these are the bad and criminal reflections of his own self...wanting power. He can change and needs to change because his songs are what changed me during COVID too.
FYI : Not making an excuse if he has mental health issues so the abuse is reasonable... i am saying he has mental health issues and he's done the wrong, i know it's bad and he is facing the "consequences of his actions" but everyone needs a chance and a change and i don't wanna see a fellow human crippling around in depression, starving to death and trying to get a bit of the attention from the crowd... so i am rooting for it all to be better. (And he should absolutely need to make an ACTUAL apology).
uhh i'd reckon he has hardly gotten the consequences of his actions besides backlash, he should have served actual prison time for abuse yet that did not happen for one reason or another. I feel like the argument of supporting somebody because they are human is quite stupid. People should hold others accountable for their actions, i'm not just gonna support an abuser because he claimed to have therapy, he still did bad stuff and that doesn't fix anything. These people should not have fans.
@@Dlemetry I am supporting in a way of "he has done stuff that is bad and i acknowledge that... but everyone does the bad once every time of their lives, and Wilbur is an alcoholic, i am rooting for him to get better and not the current state of wil, who isn't apologising, and the abuser Wil.
i hate and i am disgusted at Wil being an abuser and not saying sorry purely.. but i don't want him to not be happy and i know that he's an abuser but he can change his ways
Im a supporter too. Shelbys entire allegations sounded like throwing anything possible and hoping something to stick to hurt a guy that dumped her.
Consented to the biting, he abused me, i had bites all up and down my arms and when the fans checked and found no marks - she tells her fans to block them.
Where are the bites? Blockes them.
Can you give us proof? I dont need proof.
Idk.. sketchy is the least id call her.
What he did wasn't just 'some bad stuff', he abvsed Niki, Shelby, Rue, Zoe and abused and sa'd Alice. He isn't just a person who needs help and 'recover', he's an abvser and a sxual assaulter.
the comments on these posts are the funniest things ever. i love our community sometimes, makes me giggle
it is so weird and always bothered me how Will just seemed to vanish and the band are acting like nothing ever happened, just smiling and continuing on, it just makes u left confused like so we are just gonna never resolve this or have it addressed? 😭and none of his past friends are ever mentioning him at all and acting like he doesnt exist so its hard to know whats happening, and I feel so bad for them after how close they all were. I hope love joy dont just escape from it and wait for people to forget which I doubt they will. Even if will apologised, just saying that and ignoring everything else felt odd
for the majority, having him simply cease to exist in publicity is the best thing for everyone
all just dont care, dont think about it. shelby has a larger support group cuz of the allegations and dude is off the face of the internet in recent times. leave the demon to its demons
ROAR mentioned!!!!!!!!
Can’t wait for LOVEJOY concert
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!
1:07 PLS MAKE HIM >_<
btw wilbur was proven innocent
1:38 its not an apology, its a statement
Source for Wilburs innocent?
There isnt although, there isnt a statement to prove anyones persepective besides its there personal life anywas.@@GoodOldKaleb
Hellooooooo?
Real
hello again lol, totally agree
This video could've been 5 minutes if he talked faster and didn't repeat himself.
mate i get that you don't like them but and if you don't like them please stop making content about them. youre just giving them more of a platform, just ignore them, its better for everyone
1:06 reminded me of an awful nightmare I once had, in which it was just a normal day at school, I had English class first, but there was a foreign substitute teacher, and it turned out that it was the biter 💀💀 I immediately woke up, scared 😔
So basically I gave you PTSD...
I know there hasn't been any hard evidence to prove Wilbur actually guilty and honestly I'd maybe believe that Shelby was just trying to end his career because of their failed relationship (I don't even like her content to begin with and was a huge fan of Will for some time) IF it was the only instance of him displaying this alleged abusive behaviors. But, to be honest, if you watch back some of his own videos or the ones he collaborated in, listen to his own lyrics and analize it - the pieces come together worryingly good. There are many expamples of him being irrationally agressive and dominant in situations where it wasn't needed, he would scream and punch stuff if something didn't go his way, he would push and hit other people he recorded with "for fun", shout at them and make them visibly uncomfortable. I always took it as an act, a persona he used to get more views, to make better content but the red flags were there all along. And also just listen to Mammalian Sighing Relfex and focus on the lyrics, for me it was clear after hearing that album (even though it was before Shubble's stream) that it's a story about an unhealthy, abusive relationship from the perspective of the abuser. It's a little healing to know (if you assume what he says through those songs is genuine) that he seems to feel bad about it and that it may come from a place of bad mental state but it still doesn't excuse hurting someone. People sending Wilbur and his fan death threats and making him look like a literal monster annoy me but not as much as people who mindlessly defend him. There's clearly something to the accusations he's received even if it's been inflated by trauma and hatred of his alleged victims, I don't think that many people would speak up about it after Shelby's statement if it was just some ellaborate plan to lower his views.
That's not what the word "Ignorant" means
Thee videos are still happening really
literally, after the allegations, i noticed how so many of the songs , even my favourite lovejoy song "Call me what you'd like" is so ironic and has some hypocritical things sung in the lyrics... it's honestly sickening
Ive never heard of the band your talking about but this is the most annoying take ive ever seen.
I feel bad for will's band members
i don't support wilbur, and idk if i should "pirate" lovejoy songs (i used to listen to them back in 2021 but now i don't anymore)
Best way to do so, I do that with other bands like msi (cuz the guy is a kid diddler) but if you genuinely want to, listen to lyrics videos posted by other people :)
Does anyone here listen to the Beatles Guns & Roses or Rammstein? Great, so why dont you expect a statement by the terrible people in that group too, before you continue listening to them? Separate the art from the artist, please. I'm not saying ignore it, you can gladly hate wilbur, but the band has nothing to do with that. This is Wilburs persobal problem, not the band's
Its always "support the victem" untill the victem is a man.
Seriously!? I didn’t exactly know what happened to Lovejoy after this, but they should’ve left Wilbur. If they wanted to continue their music careers, they should’ve done music without him! They’re decent musicians, I’m sure people would still support them if they didn’t support their feral dog of a frontman!
also he was fired by his therapist because he lied to her too much so like...he didnt even go to therapy for that long lol
Fired? This can happen!
yes. shelby talked about how he was fired for lying too much to his therapist. and you reslly gotta do something for your therapist to let you go...they dont do that easily. and now he either has a new therapist or none at all but either way, he hasnt been in therapy for long and his last one wasnt helping if he were lying so much. but his friends and bandmates dont care because they want him to get back to work and make them more money.
and yes it Can happen for you to get fired but its not easy or common. therapist dont just Do That. at least from what i know. the only person i know who was ever fired by a therapist was my dad who is diagnosed with NPD. other than him, it had never happened to anyone around me or me.
@@charlieisacastlebut how does she know
@@FatimaAdam-d1o the yt community is pretty small and everyone is friends with each other. she is still friends with most british creators and even went to the new years party for 2024 after they had broken up. so yk people know each other and talk about stuff and it somehow reaches you. imagine an office with ur coworkers but like online fjdkdmnd
Okay sorry, but I have to say something controversial about this...
I don't think Runaway is actually that good
Dam, great video bro. Fucking hate what these assholes did but your pull in great analytic, keep doing what you do bud
I don't agree with a lot of the shit u said, but u also gave GREAT criticism
im def subbing :D
Ehhhh, thank you...?
This is the weirdest comment Ive ever seen.
Tbh, I don't know if I should be neutral or WSS. Shelby never provided any evidence nor did Wilbur... Regardless of sides you're taking and no matter what kind of tone you speak in, if you ask her for evidence you would get blocked.
Should we really trust her to fullest?
~M
Please don't take Wilbur's side, Shelby wasn't the only one who was abvsed, Niki, Rue, Alice and Zoe also came out with their stories, and minx talked about her experiences with him as well. In his streams, he was laughing while talking about him hitting Techno in his cancerous arm, he's pushed Tommy down stairs, when Niki went to his house in 2020, on stream she talked about him leaving bruises when biting her, he casually talked about picking Niki up and throwing her to 'assert dominance'. He isn't a good person.
Neither have evidence, that's true. But the issue was consent-- something that literally cannot be proven. It's best to be neutral, or at least just move on. This controversy should've been handled in private, instead of put out to involve hundreds or thousands of parasocial teenagers.
i never got the hype around Lovejoy and their music.
Hyde you talk like Alan from smiling friends
This was meant to say why not Hyde but I can’t edit my comment
...dude what is this...
A video criticizing a comment war, who's comment section turned into a warzone
you talk like alen from smilling frineds
I lost faith in this generation of humanity, so judgemental fyi wilbur is innocent🙄😒
1:07 now I have even more of a reason to not sub!
HI STRAWBERRI !! (Your so real for that)
@@RenVentsALot yoooooo hellooooooo
Good? I don't think anyone wants you, someone who is obsessed with an abuser, as a subscriber. Also, the Brighton biter comments are funny - get over it.
I went to the tour it was fucking amazing. Best night of my life and Wilbur was so nice. I've been watching him and listening to Lovejoy's music for years and. Shubble's bullshit story won't change my opinion on Wibur. She literally decided to do this after her merch company went broke, she needed money to pay the rent and I don't blame her for needing money, I blame her for ruining his career over trivialities such as Wilbur's love language. Also model buses isn't about abuse it's about Boris johnson and concrete is about a guy being harrassed by a drunk woman.
the fact that you make a video 😭 istg sss obsess over wilbur more than wss… many of you say “wss dni” yet yall don’t realise it works the same way. (you saying don’t send out death threats is hilarious because it’s not the wss sending death threats, it’s sss.) you need to actually research proof before making all these videos or just start going after wilbur because shelby and the sss doesn’t have *any* proof, but wilbur(wss) does. about the part where she has to “hide the bites/bruises” she said she has sensitive skin i’m pretty sure, and she mentioned she couldn’t cover it with makeup or anything. she wears/wore revealing clothes, which would definitely show her bruises if she has any (which she doesn’t/didnt!) shovel at first said it wasn’t consensual and now she’s saying it was consensual and she “never said otherwise”. (changing up her story multiple times) the “apology” was not an apology, it was a response/statement. he never admitted to abuse or anything, he said he may have been a sh!tty boyfriend, but never admitted to abuse or anything. if anything, he said he was deeply shocked at the allegations against him, and that if he had been sh!tty he has gotten therapy. another thing; he was grieving his best friend’s death at the time, you can’t blame him from being distant, not talking to her, etc. if you look on pictures with shovel, he’s fake smiling or forcing a smile. he also has bruises himself on many of them, none even visible on her. wss has tons of evidence that he’s innocent and etc etc, that i will not be talking about (it’s all over twt, tiktok and other platforms)
He can make a video about his opinion if he wants as much as you get to talk about yours
@@vitasomething it’s words shortened and stuff to make it easier e.g. wth is what the hell and dni is do not interact. yes its just words but it can be easier to shorten it, like nicknames.
Move on, nerd
My brother in christ, you are defending him in the comments!
Bro is perchance a Wilbur Stan
@@holynootnootyou can't just say perchance😒
@@8am_skullyou shoulda said "grrrr... YES I AM A NERD! bookworm, im studious! from my cerebral cortex to my gluteus! back in kindergarten, i aced my college entrance exam! now im no rocket scientist- oh wait, i am!"
@@8am_skull
Ya gotta milk it cause you cant make anything interesting 😂😂
lead biter 🤣
If the music hits (which in my opinion it does), then listen to it. The pennies the band gets from streaming means basically nothing. If you are so concerned about “supporting” an abuser, download it, burn it on CD, and buy second hand. Don’t let people choose what music you can and can not listen to.
(not really a response to the video, didn’t feel like watching it) 🫃
Brighton Biter and Band (SKULL)
Wilbur and the Chew Toys (@holynootnoot)
Nibbler Soot and the Chewed-up Band (@Bulbrey_Bez0s)
Bite the DJ (Reference to their first name)
(I'll edit the comment for each name I think of/find in the comments)
CRYING
@@Bulbrey_Bez0s if you got an idea, I'll add it to the comment
@@davidharrison2666 OH I GOT WAY TOO MANY-
*ahem*
Snapping Turtle and the fish
The drawer that always pinches your table and the others (idk how I hit this one)
And my personal favorite Nibbler soot and the chewed up band.
There. Added it (ngl as soon as I read it it became my fav too lmao)
@@davidharrison2666 I came up with it at the top of my head 😭