What It Costs To Live in London

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  • Опубліковано 12 вер 2017
  • London consistently nabs a top spot on lists ranking the world’s most expensive cities. Along with rent, home prices are also on the rise and Londoners are feeling the pinch. So what does it take to get by in London? We stepped into the daily life of Aaron Christian, a freelance commercial director born and raised in the city. “The idea of attempting to own a house has become very unrealistic and I don’t think that’s really going to change so I’m definitely more open to living in another part of Europe.”
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  • @VICENews
    @VICENews  6 років тому +60

    Watch Making It: What It Costs to Live in San Francisco - bit.ly/2fjq0oD

    • @CarlosConsorcioCastellanoPerez
      @CarlosConsorcioCastellanoPerez 6 років тому +7

      VICE News
      Do mexico city

    • @patrickreylara9844
      @patrickreylara9844 6 років тому

      VICE News i

    • @nipsNgooks
      @nipsNgooks 6 років тому +4

      Can you please do Amsterdam?

    • @windmill1965
      @windmill1965 6 років тому +1

      Can you please do some cities in Asia, such as Tokyo, Shanghai and Kuala Lumpur?

    • @liamkehoe5957
      @liamkehoe5957 6 років тому +4

      Can you please do Canadian cities? Like Toronto or Ottawa? And maybe cities that are cheap and have a good progressive mindset

  • @stephaniehartland6526
    @stephaniehartland6526 6 років тому +1927

    LDN is as cheap or expensive as you want it to be. My man's eating blueberries for breakfast, donnin' regular coffees on the go, and munchin at some peng-a-leng pizza joint you won't find down Walworth Rd.
    Meanwhile I'm blaggin bargains at Icelands, Spoons down Bromley on a Friday night and home with a 3 piece from Morleys

    • @xxSylviaLuvsYouxx
      @xxSylviaLuvsYouxx 6 років тому +140

      Stephanie Hartland init, it's his lifestyle rather than London in itself.

    • @Maurazio
      @Maurazio 6 років тому +54

      he has it pretty good, probably also because he can share rent with his girlfriend and that frees up a lot of income. i guess they also buy big backs of stuff.
      But yeah, blueberries are fancy stuff.

    • @plalop
      @plalop 6 років тому +39

      :D:D:D:D I cracked at peng-a-leng

    • @chiomalala7338
      @chiomalala7338 6 років тому +34

      Maurazio It's weird that some Londoners find blueberries fancy. I'm from Glasgow and far away from a high salary yet I live in the nice area of town. Having blueberries with breakfast at least every other day is normal...it is not expensive up here. Eating out, transport and enjoying a relatively decent social life can be done in less than 20k. My biggest worry is maintaining the standard of living or lifestyle that I am accustomed to when I move to London for work next year. It will be a big adjustment for sure. London is an exciting city filled with opportunities but I don't plan on living in there for more than 3 maybe 4 years. In fact if it's not for career advancement, I wouldn't even consider it.

    • @iammustafa
      @iammustafa 6 років тому +64

      Is this English

  • @lyledeyounges1276
    @lyledeyounges1276 6 років тому +818

    I totally get it; I love London, but I also hate London. I feel poor yet still I can afford to put blueberries (rationed, obviously) on my yoghurt in the morning, I responsibly skip the coffee-to-go, and I do realise how privileged it is to even complain about that; there's just something very "Orwellian" about this way of life in the big cities now... living cramped in these small boxes, getting our rationed "super-foods" from the cabinets, going to work so we can still stay in these boxes next month, spending everything we earn to barely maintain this routine that is life in the big city. It looks really nice and all, but it's actually a very uncertain kind of existence - being one missed pay check or unforeseen expense away from a possible disaster.

    • @DancingDeity
      @DancingDeity 6 років тому +60

      LyleDeYounges Exact sentiments as a New Yorker.

    • @KoooomA
      @KoooomA 6 років тому +25

      From Londoner: absolutely right

    • @bananagumboot87
      @bananagumboot87 6 років тому +35

      You've hit the nail on the head here

    • @tornbutterfly5351
      @tornbutterfly5351 6 років тому +21

      so true ! i want to stay in london but everything is telling me to leave as soon as i can

    • @whoistlovesburbrryshouldst186
      @whoistlovesburbrryshouldst186 4 роки тому +2

      LyleDeYounges wow! Spot on mate...it’s a scary stuff. I’m definitely doing up Istanbul or other cities in Europe once I’m done with school.

  • @nurlagrande
    @nurlagrande 6 років тому +644

    Way too fucking expensive, living costs keep going up but wages aren't going up.

    • @dariopavicic8205
      @dariopavicic8205 6 років тому +21

      Trickle-down economics bro...

    • @Ultraviolet516
      @Ultraviolet516 6 років тому

      Yes you are right

    • @adelaamarante
      @adelaamarante 6 років тому +25

      Don't piss on my head and call it "trickle down".
      /s/

    • @darexinfinity
      @darexinfinity 6 років тому +1

      That's not happening just to urban areas, even the suburbs have the same issue.

    • @sean2015
      @sean2015 6 років тому +6

      Sounds kinda like America

  • @kate-px3rs
    @kate-px3rs 6 років тому +1240

    This was interesting and aesthetically pleasing

    • @mofetabionica
      @mofetabionica 6 років тому +4

      Yes, very informative too.

    • @sophiamason2365
      @sophiamason2365 6 років тому +4

      This is what we can say a complete guide for living in London, for tourist coming to London must try The taxi Company in London waterloocars.co.uk which is offering Great Prices, it will help you travel around the London in quite reasonable prices

    • @Meloncholymadness
      @Meloncholymadness 6 років тому +3

      Aesthetically pleasing how? He isn't white!?

    • @wackojacko123
      @wackojacko123 5 років тому +2

      Your face is aesthetically pleasing

    • @user-ei7ed6zy9k
      @user-ei7ed6zy9k 5 років тому

      Cringe

  • @yurifinch3096
    @yurifinch3096 6 років тому +1815

    Seems like a very charming person.

    • @eosprodromos3803
      @eosprodromos3803 6 років тому +80

      Schlomo Interracialstein england? Seems like he was born in england

    • @diegomineiro
      @diegomineiro 6 років тому +142

      You got so many things wrong in two comments that I'll take them to class to show my students. Thank you for being a live example of why education is important.

    • @WillieMeze
      @WillieMeze 6 років тому +25

      diegomineiro I'm going to sufficate from laphter 😂😂😂

    • @hitlermugabetashtwin
      @hitlermugabetashtwin 6 років тому +82

      If a person was born on the land, he is still a person. One of the dumbest arguments out there, fucking race obsessed weirdos.

    • @P.a.r.a.d.o.x
      @P.a.r.a.d.o.x 6 років тому +1

      nice try.

  • @TheDemonMonk13
    @TheDemonMonk13 6 років тому +1401

    Omg those spots he went to straight hipster level over 90000

    • @morb0yo
      @morb0yo 6 років тому +61

      Motor williams That's become the average central London café contrary to your opinion mate.

    • @grhyservondub
      @grhyservondub 6 років тому +95

      Motor williams that's just a regular place in London you uncultured hick

    • @davilip
      @davilip 6 років тому +93

      Unnecessary levels of aggression

    • @TheDemonMonk13
      @TheDemonMonk13 6 років тому +29

      I appreciate how I triggered 2 of the 3 people who replied don't be an upset hipster it's just the internet but if it's a way you can blow off steam from your shitty life do you😇

    • @TheDemonMonk13
      @TheDemonMonk13 6 років тому +5

      Ross Gannon yea I think his level of aggression is very low he seems weak so his power level is waaaaayyy below 90000

  • @thisisowen
    @thisisowen 6 років тому +149

    I'm a US citizen who got to visit London for the first time ever a few years ago, and while I have never been a fan of so called "city life", I can definitely understand the attraction with London. It didn't feel like all the other cities I'd seen in the States, being surrounded by such rich history and older architecture was amazing and the fact that you can easily walk and take public transit makes it even better. Being on foot gives you a much better sense of the city than just sitting in a car. I would certainly love to go back sometime.

    • @andreiplane8380
      @andreiplane8380 4 роки тому +14

      Yeah, only London but the rest of the UK doesn't have good public transport.

    • @irrelevance3859
      @irrelevance3859 3 роки тому +6

      @@andreiplane8380 agreed. They only really fund Londons public transit. The rest of the UK (especially up North even the big cities) the buses are pretty bad and not simple to use at all. Don't get me started on the train system.

    • @andreiplane8380
      @andreiplane8380 3 роки тому +2

      @@irrelevance3859 Yeah, also don't forget public transportation here is pretty expensive as well imo. 😂

  • @kamelarosa
    @kamelarosa 6 років тому +649

    Advice for going to the cinemas in the uk buy your tickets which are usually £4.00 and before you go in go to pound land and stuff it in your bag

    • @hitlermugabetashtwin
      @hitlermugabetashtwin 6 років тому +45

      Things like this make me jealous of women's bags. My girlfriend sneaks cider into any situation that it would be even remotely appropriate to do so.

    • @darexinfinity
      @darexinfinity 6 років тому +25

      I assume Pound Land is some place to get food?

    • @xxSylviaLuvsYouxx
      @xxSylviaLuvsYouxx 6 років тому

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @graceallen7542
      @graceallen7542 6 років тому +110

      Cinema ticket for £4??? Are you mad? Idk where you're going to but they're at least £10

    • @GamerMythic
      @GamerMythic 6 років тому +7

      NefertitiArtakmar Nebetia £4 ticket??? I want to be at the cinemas you go to lol

  • @CarlDillynson
    @CarlDillynson 5 років тому +116

    That breakfast bowl looks like something you’d see in Black Mirror

    • @TheMohamedhema1000
      @TheMohamedhema1000 5 років тому +1

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @nayomi477
      @nayomi477 2 роки тому +3

      Moral of the story: don’t put grapes in yogurt

  • @Minimal444
    @Minimal444 4 роки тому +188

    I don't understand people who spend 2-3 pounds every day for a cup of coffee valued at around 15-20 cents.

    • @johnjordan8022
      @johnjordan8022 4 роки тому +3

      Maximal : Interesting acknowledgement,...that means we spend about 25 pounds. Not per day,...per cup ! I know I slam 2 to 3 cups a day sometimes more depending on the temperature.

    • @westernalliance796
      @westernalliance796 4 роки тому +1

      Do you drink coffee?

    • @Minimal444
      @Minimal444 4 роки тому +6

      @@westernalliance796 I do, make it myself every morning.

    • @bahenbihen
      @bahenbihen 4 роки тому +3

      As I'm not from the UK this absolutely shocked me! 3£ for a coffee? I spend 8 kuna which is roughly 1 post-Brexit pound

    • @AndrewLaMonica1
      @AndrewLaMonica1 4 роки тому +1

      And always when yo uget coffee you have to get three so you are paying for gas or wasting 15 minutes of your time getting there plus 15 minutes to get it so 30 minutes compared to making it what takes 3 minutes

  • @MrVaageHoivik
    @MrVaageHoivik 6 років тому +113

    The color correction is too much in my opinion. Just look at how pale it made the banana and grapes look.

  • @cossiewill9503
    @cossiewill9503 6 років тому +285

    He mentions "Driving" to the cinema and parking, yet you don't explorer how much the cost of a car/insurance/road tax is.

    • @officialgazj
      @officialgazj 6 років тому +10

      All of those 3 are roughly the same throughout the country though, so won't really be any different living in London.
      Road Tax is the same rate throughout the whole country, and depends on car emissions, so gets complicated as theirs many possibilities

    • @Tuncapoo
      @Tuncapoo 6 років тому +23

      When it comes to London, there's no point to having a car, if you're aiming to save big

    • @coolerking7427
      @coolerking7427 6 років тому +5

      Why drive there. Take an Uber or public transit.

    • @antwto8784
      @antwto8784 6 років тому +20

      No idea why he drives there but takes the train/tube everywhere else

    • @orenda3696
      @orenda3696 6 років тому +5

      He might have been using ZipCar.

  • @brookeb7646
    @brookeb7646 6 років тому +41

    80 POUNDS PER MONTH ON TRANSPORT ARE U JOKING? MORE LIKE 120

  • @zumblrvlogs1381
    @zumblrvlogs1381 5 років тому +37

    I’ve visited London 3 times. I’m from the US. It’s a lovely city. One of the times I went I found my absolute favorite place which is the Cotswolds especially Lacock and Castle Comb. And Ireland and Scotland were a hoot too. Amazing countries and cities

  • @tcl40brw
    @tcl40brw 6 років тому +134

    All sounded so achievable up until “yeah I don’t really drink”...

    • @bakar2134
      @bakar2134 3 роки тому +3

      Hes pakistani innit

  • @joebazooks
    @joebazooks 6 років тому +535

    that pepperoni thin crust pizza looked so fucking tasty

  • @tiffanyrodriguez9336
    @tiffanyrodriguez9336 5 років тому +37

    As a teacher in NYC, Aaron's income and rent were shocking! I'm about to hop on a plane...

    • @zatarawood3588
      @zatarawood3588 3 роки тому +10

      Dont. You have higher salary in the US and have cheaper costs in almost all places apart form NY where I see funnily enough where you are from. Seriously though US has much higher wages on average and much lower costs so you have far better standards of living which makes sense as the US is far more productive as an economy than the UK which is only getting worse.

    • @gayleralan
      @gayleralan 3 роки тому +10

      @@zatarawood3588 but what if she gets ill? or needs medication? Also the food in the US is produced in a nuclear power plants and all they eat is pills. I went to America, only place cool was NYC

    • @noahremnek3615
      @noahremnek3615 2 роки тому +3

      @@gayleralan She is a teacher so she is probably on public healthcare.

    • @bigshotaviation8570
      @bigshotaviation8570 Рік тому

      @@gayleralan You don’t have to eat fast food in america, just drive right by like I do.

  • @davidbell1676
    @davidbell1676 4 роки тому +73

    How much does weekly sunshine cost? haven't seen much of it like the white bananas and white grapes do they have the same issue.

  • @omarmanutd
    @omarmanutd 4 роки тому +34

    1:59 “£4.50 which is ridiculously cheap”
    *laughs in Cardiff”

  • @adashvids
    @adashvids 4 роки тому +6

    Great video, lots of insightful content cramped into a few minutes without making it feel rushed, while being aesthetically filmed and beautifully narrated. 👌

  • @peteradaniel
    @peteradaniel 4 роки тому +8

    I think what people don’t realise is £40,000 per year is in the upper tax bracket. He’s wealthy and he lives with his girlfriend. 35,000 is average but most people are on roughly 20-25. So that rent is harsh for people in low earners which is what increasing number of people are. Wages have been stagnant here for the last 25 years but the cost of living has spiralled.

  • @jimsccmp
    @jimsccmp 6 років тому +3

    I love all the stats you guys put in the videos great job!

  • @AIChromaVisions
    @AIChromaVisions 5 років тому +2

    please do more these vice! I really enjoy watching them

  • @jalewoo
    @jalewoo 6 років тому

    Loving this series so far.

  • @CHAS1422
    @CHAS1422 6 років тому +146

    Aaron seems like a cool person for London. I'd buy him a beer.

    • @sharr630
      @sharr630 6 років тому +59

      He doesn't drink.

    • @kartipac7668
      @kartipac7668 5 років тому +8

      hip Asian guy

    • @bobbysamra9588
      @bobbysamra9588 4 роки тому +1

      Kart ipac gay

    • @erick07cas
      @erick07cas 4 роки тому +1

      U offend the MUCH more edgy and actually cool people I'm sure there are in london, this lame is a scary ass sheep incarcerated by the modern world of complacency. Cool.. LMAO

    • @AC-ny1di
      @AC-ny1di 4 роки тому

      Who controlled the pricing?
      An uprising surely one day
      It's insane.
      Who is responsible,
      some Business body
      it's not the government

  • @aforex8589
    @aforex8589 6 років тому +64

    I’ve just moved to Auckland from London, same wage, same role & the cost of living is 50% cheaper here. Move & experience life!

    • @JohnDoe-pe7ql
      @JohnDoe-pe7ql 6 років тому +10

      I'm from Auckland and i'm thinking of moving to London to join my friends, idk I hear my friends are constantly broke, exhausted, trolled and overworked........hmmm do i really want this?

    • @yourguy382
      @yourguy382 6 років тому +28

      Dead city in comparison, though.

    • @TheRomaEdition
      @TheRomaEdition 5 років тому +4

      My friend (a Chinese guy) worked 6 years in Aukland. Now he's back to Shanghai because after 6 years you feel lack of movement there.

    • @KabzieMusic
      @KabzieMusic 4 роки тому +8

      Austrailia has nice weather and good food but that gets old really fast. Plus aside from Asia and NZ, your really isolated. TV is garbage too.

    • @winstonsmith2079
      @winstonsmith2079 4 роки тому

      The 2018 Mercer Quality of Living Survey had Auckland at #3 behind Vienna and Zurich.

  • @luismarques6658
    @luismarques6658 6 років тому +21

    You should do an episode about Lisbon, where the average rent is 830€, in a country where the net average income per person is about 10,530 € which gives about 877 € per month..

    • @slupo14
      @slupo14 4 роки тому +12

      @NEARMUSICBEATS DRUMKITS & SAMPLES He meant, 10,530€/year. Can you see the problem? xD you have 47€ a month to do everything else!

    • @MrNicofranks
      @MrNicofranks 3 роки тому

      lol

  • @IsaacOrson
    @IsaacOrson 6 років тому +550

    How is it rare to be born and raised in one of the biggest cities in the world?

    • @IsaacOrson
      @IsaacOrson 6 років тому +38

      I was born and raised in London too, and I left when I was older. People who leave when they are older are still born and raised there, unless they left when they were still children. His statement was just a bit confusing.

    • @augustvonmackensen7273
      @augustvonmackensen7273 6 років тому +8

      What tomster said
      The Brits are leaving for Aus/NZ and they are replacing them with non British people.

    • @cxmpieav1789
      @cxmpieav1789 6 років тому +70

      if you're born there & you dont end up making a lot of money you get stomped out by pricing increase

    • @NotQuiteFirst
      @NotQuiteFirst 6 років тому +60

      It's like that, I'm one of the very few of my friends who was born and raised in London. I was out with some friends recently who all happened to be French/Spanish/etc, and it was like I was the exotic foreigner because I was actually from the area that we were in

    • @kizzthis9983
      @kizzthis9983 6 років тому +4

      Big sh*t. what? He owns the f*ckin city just because he's born there?

  • @MrMentalz2
    @MrMentalz2 4 роки тому +30

    I really felt that when he said “owning a place in London is becoming highly unrealistic.” A lot of my mates who used to live in London now own properties outside of it. E.g. I got a mate who now lives in Kent, another in Cornwall. Etc.. I live on the outskirts of London but the cost just keeps rising 😞 idk how they are going to sort things out.

  • @100Mmore
    @100Mmore 6 років тому +4

    great video, please make for other major cities!

  • @maxxes
    @maxxes 6 років тому +3

    This was actually a really good episode for ONCE Vice.

  • @phatasticmeemo
    @phatasticmeemo 5 років тому +3

    Please do more of these. It’s very interesting to see the small snippet of lives of those in other metropolis compared to the ones here in the US.

  • @thegoodrefugee8354
    @thegoodrefugee8354 3 роки тому +4

    He brought a smile to my face, I'm guessing he's from south india cuz he gives that kinda vibe.

  • @scarahpurr
    @scarahpurr 6 років тому +41

    This is true of many people trying to make it in London, I believe. Everyone gets priced out!

    • @ifb6368
      @ifb6368 4 роки тому +2

      @NEARMUSICBEATS Going to Uni is kind of the norm now. If you don't go to Uni nowadays, good luck getting a job that pays north of £20k when you leave.

    • @ifb6368
      @ifb6368 4 роки тому +1

      @NEARMUSICBEATS Around 50% of all UK Citizens go onto higher education, so it's pretty much the norm. The people who don't go to Uni here usually end up going straight into work or apprenticeships. Only about 20% of people don't do either.

  • @robshin8078
    @robshin8078 6 років тому

    Hey Vice, I really like this series. Look forward to seeing more.

  • @geewiz8253
    @geewiz8253 6 років тому

    Viceland: you always create great work. Thanks

  • @veroblossom7906
    @veroblossom7906 4 роки тому +14

    You should have said that your transportation expense is not so much as you are around Central London... Otherwise, its much more, and it also adds if its rush hour. If you live outside London, rent is cheaper, but transportation is extremely expensive.

    • @smadm2437
      @smadm2437 4 роки тому +1

      Yep. £80 a month is very little for most Londoners!

  • @conphzhi
    @conphzhi 6 років тому +8

    Do one on Vancouver!!

  • @rayblade6383
    @rayblade6383 5 років тому

    Yet again more amazing content from Vice....

  • @TheKennyboy92
    @TheKennyboy92 6 років тому +1

    I love these videos you should defo do one on Dublin, rent has gotten so dear in the past few years.

  • @GeorgeJewitt
    @GeorgeJewitt 6 років тому +66

    I share a flat 5 mins from the City of London with 3 other people all bills incl and can walk to work for £650pcm (I admit that is probably double the price of something similar elsewhere in the country) But supermarkets are no more expensive than the rest of the country, (nor is much else these days...unfortunately).
    If you dont shop at a whole foods store, buy a coffee from a wanky independent place for £4 on the way to and from work and make your own meals more often than eating out then you can live very comfortably on your own. You can even afford more than one holiday and a gym membership. You could probably even support one more person with that lifestyle on the average UK salary - which I am starting on.
    Yes it is more expensive and yes you probably also need a degree and some work experience but it isn't as terrible as people think. The prices are a natural result of the capital being a place of high demand and concentration for jobs that happen to have high salaries. If people could get the same opportunities and lifestyle elsewhere in the country, they would live there (and increasingly they are!).

    • @OkamiVIEW
      @OkamiVIEW 6 років тому +3

      "remember, be fine with what you got and don´t complain because you always could have it worse"

    • @bobblue_west
      @bobblue_west 6 років тому

      (If you dont shop at a whole foods store, buy a coffee from a wanky independent place for £4 ) SO AGREE! Yet all these London vloggers are buying 3.50 jam donuts to go with their 5 quid coffee. Jam donuts used to be the cheapo treat for 60p.

    • @blablablabla1111111
      @blablablabla1111111 6 років тому +8

      I agree, you can live cheap in London. Getting on the housing ladder is different story altogether...

    • @chiomalala7338
      @chiomalala7338 6 років тому +1

      George Jewitt Damn £650pcm including bills for 5 mins walk away from Central!!!! 😲😲 How did you manage that? Any advise for new graduate making a move to London from Glasgow for work? Please tell 😄

    • @GeorgeJewitt
      @GeorgeJewitt 6 років тому +1

      EvanChi Alaa SpareRoom - i got quite lucky too but there are definitely options.

  • @illuminatiCorgi
    @illuminatiCorgi 6 років тому +270

    That must be the whitest breakfast I've ever seen. Was it photo shopped?

    • @Jobe-13
      @Jobe-13 5 років тому

      Mark Sneddon ikr 😂

    • @AC-ny1di
      @AC-ny1di 4 роки тому

      Who controlled the pricing?
      An uprising surely one day
      It's insane.
      Who is responsible,
      some Business body
      it's not the government

    • @alimag515
      @alimag515 4 роки тому +2

      it’s the filter

    • @colinf03
      @colinf03 4 роки тому

      Just like that in the uk

    • @danijelcerkic273
      @danijelcerkic273 3 роки тому

      I am surenit was locally shopped.

  • @Ricky911_
    @Ricky911_ 4 роки тому +3

    I'm from Uxbridge on the far outskirts of London. I don't think that the cost of living was as high, back when I used to live there, than Central London itself. The guy in the video is probably from the part of East London close to the centre but where I am from, Uxbridge, the town was basically the end of the underground metropolitan line. It would have been nice of they had compared the cost if living on the outskirts too

  • @MrSergiodasilva
    @MrSergiodasilva 2 роки тому +7

    Lived in London in the early 2000's. Was there 4 years of my life, at the time I was really young and had a good time, things weren't as expensive as they are now though. Couldn't see myself living there now, if you want to experience "real England" London is no the place to go.

  • @alicen2610
    @alicen2610 6 років тому +3

    London is expensive but New York is worse. The food at the grocery is like 2-3 times as much as what it costs in London. Maybe eating out is about the same. Rent, as shown in the video is FAR higher, especially for a 1 bedroom or studio. London's tube is a bit more expensive, and it stands out in that regard among major cities, but is much more pleasant (though it has its own issues and is also overcrowded during rush hour). New York may be better if you're in a field that pays a high salary (you will earn quite a bit more in those jobs in NY) but if you're making $60k or less, London is probably more affordable (between the 2).

  • @sarunasj1463
    @sarunasj1463 6 років тому +8

    A lot of people living in London making half of what this guy is... those people are "making it".
    This guy is living a comfortable life. If you want to show the cost of living in different cities - at least have a constant set of variables to compare...

  • @robertmic5804
    @robertmic5804 6 років тому +2

    Nice one !! Please make video about coast of living in Vilnius city. You will surely be surprised :) !

  • @jamieguthrie1760
    @jamieguthrie1760 4 роки тому +104

    @1:19 - what sort of Londoner presses the door button on the tube?!

    • @SFledz
      @SFledz 4 роки тому +6

      I know right?! Rookie error.

    • @noahreddie6580
      @noahreddie6580 4 роки тому +2

      What a weirdo

    • @xiangyuxu6029
      @xiangyuxu6029 4 роки тому +2

      might be DLR

    • @dommoore
      @dommoore 4 роки тому +3

      @@xiangyuxu6029 He's at Bow Road, no DLR. That makes him a class A clown

    • @marmitechickenlegs8331
      @marmitechickenlegs8331 4 роки тому +1

      @Hafsa Ali I think he is tryna say " if the doors open automatically, why press?"

  • @abdixsimplix2582
    @abdixsimplix2582 3 роки тому +5

    When I hear £1400 for a one-bedroom room, this makes me shocked. I lives in a small municipality until two years ago, and I paid 450 € per month for a house with three bedrooms, a kitchen, a garage, a bathroom and a living room. Before you start asking how, I lived in a place where there's literally nothing, a tiny place of nearly 13000 people in which anyone could notice what I used to do.

    • @Mark-iq7eh
      @Mark-iq7eh 2 роки тому

      Council tax and water rates ,gas and electricity on top plus parking

  • @vanessamachin1651
    @vanessamachin1651 6 років тому +12

    please do one of these for glasgow!!

  • @jckblck
    @jckblck 6 років тому +131

    "East London" is a bit vague. Show us on a map, I'd guess it's out past Shoreditch towards Stratford, which, untill the Olympics, was a bit of a dump. My family is from Muswell Hill/Alexandra Palace, silly prices that way.

    • @mastchekm1923
      @mastchekm1923 6 років тому +7

      I'm from Barnet and I wished I lived in Muswell hill ):

    • @jckblck
      @jckblck 6 років тому

      Mastchek M me too!!!! I live and work in MK, but growing up was Queens Woods and Barnet Woods, and the shops and church at Muswell. Love it.

    • @DSQueenie
      @DSQueenie 6 років тому +14

      That cinema was in Stepney Green I think.

    • @ThatAMGMusic
      @ThatAMGMusic 6 років тому

      Crouch End :-)

    • @HenrikeHernandes
      @HenrikeHernandes 6 років тому +10

      Oi don’t chat about the ends like that

  • @RheaToraskar
    @RheaToraskar 4 роки тому +5

    It's so uncommon to find people who have been raised and stayed in London

  • @goxdie000
    @goxdie000 6 років тому +7

    Watching this series really makes me LOVE living in Mexico City as an entrepreneur. Me and my housemates pay roughly 1000 USD per month for a 5 bedroom house in a nice neighborhood, one block away from metro and metrobus stations. There's cheap food, cheap public transportation (although crowded), loads of museums and there's always something to do. About crime, I've never been robbed. There have been a few robberies at restaurants this year, but nothing like crime rates in Chicago, DC or Detroit.

  • @emileguertin
    @emileguertin 4 роки тому +36

    Didn't even mention the tax this dude will be paying. That will chop off maybe 25-30% overall straight away.

    • @cammiehalliday757
      @cammiehalliday757 4 роки тому +1

      @WalnutCSGO Technically the NHS isn't free we pay tax which goes towards it

    • @huzi37709
      @huzi37709 3 роки тому +1

      @@cammiehalliday757 Still way cheaper than American healthcare

    • @Dymitri-Babushka.
      @Dymitri-Babushka. 3 роки тому

      Where is your face mask

  • @braziltokyoschool
    @braziltokyoschool 5 років тому

    Amazing video #thanks

  • @cloudypalms3803
    @cloudypalms3803 3 роки тому

    I find it interesting to see so many people say London is expensive. The only things that can be seen as expensive are rent, travel and possibly restaurants depending on where you go. Personally, most people I know that lived outside of London and live below the midlands/south of England, pay about £650 pm for a room plus bills. They drive a car, which they had to buy, insure, pay for petrol and pay parking costs. Restaurants are the same price pretty much. I actually calculated it was cheaper for me to live in London than anywhere else in the south of England.
    To put this into perspective , I'll give you a breakdown:
    Rents for living in zone 3 over a 5 year period (2015-2019) all in modern well-maintained shared houses and including bills and cleaning products - £325 pcm , £350 pcm, £500 pcm.
    Travel card zone 1-3 about £135 pcm (probably gone up now)
    Food, phone bill, misc expenses and going out/eating out expenses - same as anywhere in the South of England unless you decided to go to really posh places or you drink a lot of alcohol. For example, a pint is about £5 (but in South of England you would expect about £4 anyway), cocktails in central London could be £8-15, a posh meal out with 3 courses could be £35-50.
    For all my my time in London I bought pretty much all my lunches out and ate out 2-3 times a week for dinner or equivalent in takeaway. I pretty much lived on under £1000 when I calculated it, I was surprised how little I was spending. The BIG thing you need to do is make sure you get the ideal location of your rental property, I got such low rents because I researched areas, decided how long I would be happy for my commute to be, and acted quickly when I saw a room I wanted to rent so I could get the low rents. I also must say that my rooms that were around the £300 mark were tiny one beds, but I lived in a house with 2 lounges, a big kitchen and a garden at that time, and only shared with 3 others.

  • @skyhigh335
    @skyhigh335 4 роки тому +7

    New York City (as expensive as it is), the cost of living has dramatically increased in recent in years

  • @flippz100
    @flippz100 3 роки тому +3

    I like him, real simple and chilled out guy - 1 like !!

  • @repairdrive
    @repairdrive 6 років тому

    GOOD NEW SERIES! Chicago next? 😊

  • @jojomaniakos_
    @jojomaniakos_ 4 роки тому

    Nice one, Vice. Do the same for Dublin!

  • @timwhite3906
    @timwhite3906 6 років тому +36

    Please do a making it about Moscow

  • @Arturo_S3
    @Arturo_S3 6 років тому +127

    80£ for a transport card in London??? It's just 20€ in Madrid and it includes everything and everywhere...

    • @susomedin5770
      @susomedin5770 6 років тому +1

      arturoicetre
      Y muchos idiotas se quejan

    • @Arturo_S3
      @Arturo_S3 6 років тому

      Suso Medin pues si... Yo la unica queja que tengo es la conexion con la periferia pero el precio y servicio como tal es estupendo y moderno no como los buses de zaragoza que se caen a pedazos

    • @susomedin5770
      @susomedin5770 6 років тому

      arturoicetre
      Sea cual sea el nivel de Zaragoza no será tan malo en transporte público como Londres y muchos otros lugares del mundo.

    • @kr0pp
      @kr0pp 6 років тому +12

      €0 in Tallinn

    • @jake42731
      @jake42731 6 років тому +24

      Its not 80£, it is per journey, bus is 1.5 per ride, train is between 2-8 pounds, a lot of people spend 10 pounds a day just for train.

  • @whitestork9595
    @whitestork9595 6 років тому

    Great video

  • @Rocket33r
    @Rocket33r 5 років тому +3

    Man, I used to follow this guy's channel with his brother. It is/was called IndividualismUK. Nice call back!

  • @JagjeetSingh-dw9qc
    @JagjeetSingh-dw9qc 6 років тому +227

    Half these comments are about "how many racists are in the comment section", but ive seen maybe 2 racist comments after endless scrolling....

    • @BlackWolf9988
      @BlackWolf9988 6 років тому

      Jag Singh ikr

    • @OkamiVIEW
      @OkamiVIEW 6 років тому +8

      Due to the filter systems and moderators. I guess its a little bit delayed.

    • @takod323
      @takod323 6 років тому

      this

    • @deaf-tomcat
      @deaf-tomcat 6 років тому +22

      Has anyone who's made this comment realized that they might not see the aforementioned comments because people reported them? Like, you were a day late to this video, right? Did it never occur to you that the comments might be deleted and or reported? Js, no hate.

    • @TheNeverposts
      @TheNeverposts 6 років тому +1

      two too many

  • @arslanilyas5320
    @arslanilyas5320 4 роки тому +5

    I live in Manchester , the weather is not that good but cost living is a lot cheaper.
    1 bedroom apartment around £500-£600 not as busy as London.
    Anyone looking to move should think about Manchester.

    • @c3realK1ll4h
      @c3realK1ll4h 4 роки тому +1

      NEARMUSICBEATS not expensive, he means a whole apartment, in London you would pay £1200 per month

    • @triptinath7021
      @triptinath7021 3 роки тому +1

      I have heard Manchester is very racist. No hate to you though, just what I've heard.

  • @PipinhoSnow
    @PipinhoSnow 6 років тому

    Good topic.

  • @tibineagu
    @tibineagu 5 років тому +1

    2:20 That's *Crate Brewery & Pizza* in Hackney Wick. Love this place!

  • @by9917
    @by9917 6 років тому +8

    That is crazy expensive!! A 1BR appt. is more than I spend for a 3BR house counting all taxes, insurance and utilities. I'm not in a dump either, full brick, ceramic tile, granite, 3 car garage, nice location, only 3 miles to work and good neighborhood. Yet pay is low for all those expenses.

    • @vxxvxxvxx
      @vxxvxxvxx 6 років тому +2

      sounds nice. Where are you from?

    • @chigasaki06
      @chigasaki06 6 років тому +1

      Somewhere in the south probably.

    • @yaxl
      @yaxl 6 років тому +1

      in LDN, people would rent a frickin mattress in someone's livingroom and not feel ripped off at all

    • @WillieMeze
      @WillieMeze 6 років тому +1

      B Y He lives in the middle of the city though, not that bad, Seattle, Wa studios I've seen at $2000-$3000 a month

    • @WillieMeze
      @WillieMeze 6 років тому

      Yaxley NYC too

  • @catipolanco
    @catipolanco 6 років тому +26

    East and central London are one thing, and south London, another completely different thing. London is a very segmented city with big differences between social classes, this guy looks like from middle class , which means buy in the most expensive supermarkets, live in the most expensive area of the city and going for a drink in gentrified places.

    • @SM-ly5tf
      @SM-ly5tf 5 років тому

      Ever heard of Newham??

    • @gisar.6539
      @gisar.6539 5 років тому +1

      Search up white city, latimer road, Ladbroke Grove and Acton. Also search up opportunity areas in London and see the plans that are in store. You'd be surprised.

    • @gisar.6539
      @gisar.6539 5 років тому

      Unless you live in central London, all areas are the same

    • @ifb6368
      @ifb6368 4 роки тому

      @@gisar.6539 Other areas of london are vastly different. West London is generally much more modern and better funded than East and South London. I would go so far as to say that most people living in East and South London aren't actually living in London.

    • @aduraedosa
      @aduraedosa 3 роки тому +1

      @@ifb6368 yeah no

  • @joseluisgaytan4642
    @joseluisgaytan4642 6 років тому

    Love it! Make more videos like this... I would love to see "making it in Berlin"

  • @nataliajagielska8871
    @nataliajagielska8871 6 років тому +1

    As a British resident I can say that the living costs are similar/same in Manchester City Centre (its not London exclusive), save for cheaper house rents.

  • @PonchoANS7
    @PonchoANS7 6 років тому +7

    Pretty interesting. I'd like to see something like ths for a cheaper country or city.

  • @mailwoy3348
    @mailwoy3348 6 років тому +7

    I would like to point out that vice have misconstrued the healthcare part. On 40k a year he would be paying about £318 a month in national insurance (about $391) on top of his taxes (which i believe would be about £5,700 a year or ($585 a month).
    I dont know what taxes are like state by state in the US but the idea that healthcare is "free" in the UK is abit of a lie (although i am very glad we in the UK have the NHS and not the US style system as in the UK, those on low income dont pay any national insurance or at least pay very little)

    • @patrickxoconnor
      @patrickxoconnor 5 років тому +1

      He’d be paying almost $11,000 a year ($916/month) in taxes if he lived in New York and would get much less for it. He pay’s less in taxes than an American would pay in Health insurance alone and get’s everything from Unemployment, Disability & Illness benefits to the State pension and the NHS.

    • @mailwoy3348
      @mailwoy3348 5 років тому

      ForeverFeel1ng like I said, I’m glad we have our system and not the US’s. I was just making the point that health care isn’t free in the UK, nor should it be viewed as such by those who use it.
      We should treat the NHS as a privilege, and not simply something that is at our dispense for free whenever we need. Maybe then people would stop missing GP appointments (£216m per year lost)

  • @HShango
    @HShango 6 років тому +177

    I'm a born bred brit/londoner as well, i live in central london to and i only pay £532 pm to live so yh, i spend about £30 for groceries (since i'm a singleton) and also paying bills etc is quite cheap, doing all the fun stuff in london is quite cheap and affordable, it's just some areas of london are hugely expensive to live in, for example central london borough islington is expensive to buy a house or a flat there because the demand is huge there and in other places of central london, go to greater london, the flats and houses are slightly cheaper, but still expensive. Also i'm from islington, born and raised there my whole life, i can never see my self without london to be honest, london is a part of who i am.

    • @mastchekm1923
      @mastchekm1923 6 років тому +5

      The only part of central London you must be talking about is Knightsbridge and you must be wealthy af to live there

    • @grime_garage
      @grime_garage 6 років тому +4

      Moses Jonson
      Its affordable because your single.
      further more £30 a week for groceries is cheap. its clear you're not shopping at waitrose or marks n spencers.
      25 years ago as a child we moved from Holloway to Enfield as we climbed up the social ladder now the 4 bed maisonette I grew up in is worth 1 million and Enfield ( excusing the town) is no longer middle class.
      Highbury was always expensive especially where the famous glass house is

    • @DieselMofujohn
      @DieselMofujohn 6 років тому +51

      How are you paying 532 a month in central London? you wont even find a room for that much

    • @kitlee2224
      @kitlee2224 6 років тому +11

      rah i want to live in an islington flat for £530 a month is it a counsel flat?

    • @klarapuss3232
      @klarapuss3232 6 років тому +19

      Must be a council flat.

  • @benlawrence309
    @benlawrence309 6 років тому +12

    Good video, But you have only taken one person in there 30s, who realy has only experienced working in London for 20 years or so, and vice only shows one changing area the cost of living. Vice should have found some one from the baby booms chenoration 1945-1963 as that would have shown a larger perspective of changes in meny areas, e.g. Culture, social and business.

    • @caracara300
      @caracara300 6 років тому

      Ben Lawrence I don't think he is in his 30s

  • @kitlee2224
    @kitlee2224 6 років тому +54

    obviously you cant diss the guy, but by renting a 1 bedroom flat in east london he is fueling the cities hyper inflation, this just means that, despite the east end of london having an average income lower then the national average, housing prices and commodity prices are going up, £1400 a month is ridiculously expensive. i know this is over the top, but i googled the location of his coffee shop which is think is safe to assume is near his flat and found out it is in Bow E3, which is crazy considering e3 is in tower hamlets, a borough packed to the brim with crime, and counsel flats, most of which are becoming impossible to acquire for the working class majority in tower hamlets and the rest of east london because people like this guy who are holding down what me and my family would consider to be a HUGE income are moving into the area and consolidating the huge rise in housing price, but again it isnt his fault, the government arnt doing enough to stop the issue. sorry for the rant

    • @annapoorna.r
      @annapoorna.r 6 років тому +5

      Kit Lee I know landlords in E12 charging 1200 (no bills included) for a nasty bed bug infested 1bed flat. People are desperate & they take whatever they are offered :(

    • @artofelm2335
      @artofelm2335 6 років тому +4

      The cinema he goes to is in E1. Which is also considered Tower Hamlets. London is packed with crime and council flats next to very expensive apartments. That's just how it is. :) £1400 isn't the problem, someone will always be able to afford it.

    • @sharr630
      @sharr630 6 років тому

      I have a friend who lives in Canary Wharf with her boyfriend and they own their flat. They pay $1300 for a one-bedroom.

    • @bellemermaidTV
      @bellemermaidTV 6 років тому

      #gentrification

    • @antwto8784
      @antwto8784 6 років тому

      Sophia Harrison if they own their flat... why are they paying rent??

  • @emilyr5442
    @emilyr5442 6 років тому +51

    Slowly saying goodbye to my dreams of living in the UK

    • @kitlee2224
      @kitlee2224 6 років тому +1

      slowly? in the last 20 years the borough i live in (hackney) is still one of the cheapest inner city boroughs, still has western europes highest rae of STD, still has the hihgest rate of murder in london but the prices have gone up by 753%, hackney definitely isnt a shit hole like it was when i was born here 24 years ago, but to think an area boasting such undesirable traits would be one of the cheapest, not the most expensive

    • @DSQueenie
      @DSQueenie 6 років тому +17

      Nah don't say that. If you don't mind having flat mates then it's possible on £14k, I did it. You just don't have any fun money.

    • @antwto8784
      @antwto8784 6 років тому +3

      Just visit

    • @Nekronomikn
      @Nekronomikn 5 років тому +1

      Yeah don't bother living in London, try another part of UK...like Kent? Either way that's expensive too but still.a lot cheaper. I was born and raised in London but moved out 10 years ago. London is a dump unless you can afford to live in the rich areas. And the cost of living there is getting ridiculous and not even worth it. The economy is bad and prices are high.

    • @roberttausig9170
      @roberttausig9170 4 роки тому

      Honestly, I've visited London, and I don't understand the hype around it. It has nice parts, but so do other cities.
      After Brexit, you would not want to live in the UK anyway.

  • @SkinnyEMedia
    @SkinnyEMedia 3 роки тому

    I’d certainly love to live near Twickenham near BSkyB or Lambeth which isn’t too far from Ninja Tune or the BBFC HQ but still...blimey! Too bloody expensive!

  • @EoinDM
    @EoinDM 6 років тому +6

    I expected it to be a lot more expensive actually!

  • @aryniris
    @aryniris 5 років тому +4

    Do Making It in New York City!! ♥♥

  • @stevebren88
    @stevebren88 4 роки тому +9

    You can live in London "cheaper" i.e get a a 2 bed apartment for £1500 a month, but its not the London international people are thinking of. London is huge. These place people are talking about in the comments are in sh*tty areas, far from the "city center". Its like saying you live in New York ( when you actually live on the very southern tip of Staten Island.. )

    • @jamieguthrie1760
      @jamieguthrie1760 4 роки тому +6

      Exactly. The disappointment on a dreamy newcomer's face when they see their 'swish studio apartment with vista views' on the outskirts of Stratford for the first time. Nice.

    • @3rni3PL
      @3rni3PL 4 роки тому +3

      Yes, I can agree with that statement - Living "in" Chicago for example, would cost you a ton of money, yet as these docs go, these people are on the outskirts, working a professional job, yet not at the CEO level, and at the same time, barely making it??? That sort of confuses me, and at the same time, it makes sense - Even at a salary range of 120k with two individuals, you can barely scrape together the 2 bedroom apartment, and then to add to it, - the monthly expenses. You have to be extremely rich, pulling in a grand a day, to "actually live" in the places these folks are talking about...

  • @soniachowdhury1882
    @soniachowdhury1882 6 років тому

    Excellent series. Please cover all big cities in the world: NYC, Shanghai, Dubai, Mumbai, Singapore, Berlin etc.

  • @abdullahamir2940
    @abdullahamir2940 Рік тому +1

    We want another season for these series. Do Post covid living conditions

  • @noleftturnunstoned
    @noleftturnunstoned 6 років тому +3

    London isn't really that expensive. It obviously can be as expensive as you want it to be, but I found even drinking out and going to restaurants it was surprisingly affordable.

    • @seyab6567
      @seyab6567 5 років тому

      noleftturnunstoned dude i'm thinking about moving to london but from what i've read or heard about london till now is that it is very expensive. Can an average guy with an average incoming make it in London ?

    • @QuestForGood
      @QuestForGood 10 місяців тому

      @@seyab6567 What do you consider an average income?

  • @SeaJayBelfast
    @SeaJayBelfast 6 років тому +11

    40k is dogshit for inner London

    • @PodcastCentral333
      @PodcastCentral333 3 роки тому

      east London is not inner London dumby

    • @SeaJayBelfast
      @SeaJayBelfast 3 роки тому

      @@PodcastCentral333 East London is hardly cheap, mate. Cheaper but certainly not cheap.

  • @robbo777cricket
    @robbo777cricket 6 років тому +1

    given that you went to the Genesis cinema he probably lives in Bow, Whitechapel or Bethnal. Its a lifestyle-you put up with expense or spend £5k a year commuting into London. I'm lucky in that I was born in London and my mum and dad made a killing off their house in Dulwich and helped me to buy a flat in Bow, if that hadn't happened however I don't think i'd live in London especially not in zone 2. (my flat is in a fairly dodgy bit of Bow)

  • @sarahs.8269
    @sarahs.8269 6 років тому

    £60/w for groceries if you go to local sainsbury yeah probably, where everything is at least 30% more expensive. But the month ticket price is reasonable compared to Aberdeen, Scotland, where we pay £60 a month just for a few buses

  • @hi2978
    @hi2978 4 роки тому +7

    As someone who's lived in New York, this doesn't seem that expensive. I will say that cities can make or break you and you just have to know when and how to spend your money.

  • @danielgallagher4884
    @danielgallagher4884 3 роки тому +5

    His apartment and style is like an MacBook commercial

  • @gotanygrapes831
    @gotanygrapes831 3 роки тому +2

    My dude has swagger. Mad respect.

  • @angusmeigh5141
    @angusmeigh5141 3 роки тому +1

    There some cheap parts of London like Plumstead. And Harold Hill estate in Romford in the far east of London.

  • @RuRaynor
    @RuRaynor 5 років тому +3

    When I graduated in 2013 and got a job in zone one straight away, my take home pay was £750! I survived by never drinking booze and not eating 2 days a week.
    Never again.

    • @Jordandacosta25
      @Jordandacosta25 2 роки тому +1

      £750 a week in zone 1? That must be illegal unless you was doing only 2-3 days a week work

    • @RuRaynor
      @RuRaynor Рік тому

      @@Jordandacosta25 I started out working 3 days a week and then switched to 4 a couple of months later

  • @linglee5759
    @linglee5759 4 роки тому +6

    Is not worth living in London unless you make min £65k. I had hardly any money left over on that. Make £110k now and just got on property ladder

  • @estebanpardiez7964
    @estebanpardiez7964 6 років тому

    I love his backpack! Anyone knows what brand is it?

  • @sorcus2144
    @sorcus2144 4 роки тому +2

    He went to Genesis cinema, that place is a shithole in Stepney Green, I used to get tickets for around £2 before and even now it’s anywhere from £6-12, there’s literally a Tesco Metro right next door where you can get cheap snacks and only cough up £10 or so for a night out depending on the tickets and what room you go to in the cinema

  • @mubinvali2309
    @mubinvali2309 4 роки тому +2

    My costs (East London)
    1 bed flat - £1050 pcm
    Gas + electric: £40 pcm
    Diesel: £60 pcm
    Internet + mobile phone: £33 pcm
    Insurance (various): £60 pcm
    Groceries: £180 pcm
    Yearly renewals:
    Car insurance: £1800
    Road tax: £20
    Car service: £90/£200 (minor/major)
    Council tax: £785
    You can do a lot more with your money than this video suggests. Just be smarter than this guy with your money.

    • @mubinvali2309
      @mubinvali2309 4 роки тому

      @NEARMUSICBEATS single person, all appliances on A+ energy rating. Plus I work 6am - 6pm. Only using boiler for a shower and electricity for netflix.

  • @alexfryer4921
    @alexfryer4921 6 років тому +5

    I lived in London on a relatively paid job, similar salary. I house shared in a house with 12 bedrooms - TWELVE. And some had two people so fluctuated between 12 and 18 people. The rent was 650£ a month just for my room and I still had a 30min commute to work. Had to leave after 6 months as working a full time job and living in what was pretty much a hostel without management was too much.
    God knows how this guy is saving for a wedding.

  • @that_wavey_akh8699
    @that_wavey_akh8699 4 роки тому

    It all comes down to how close you live to central London any area within zones 1-2 are always expensive most areas further away tend to be cheaper

    • @ekaterinastaneva9922
      @ekaterinastaneva9922 2 роки тому

      A bit cheaper. Zone 4 here - £1375 a month, probably have more space then him but also crazy expensive transport, which compensates