New AUDI A3 Sportback 2020 - night POV test drive & REVIEW (S Line 35 TFSI 150 HP)

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  • Опубліковано 3 гру 2024

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  • @nicholasmantia5031
    @nicholasmantia5031 4 роки тому +34

    That is the best looking underground parking garage I've ever seen!! Emaculate!!!

  • @magnusm8779
    @magnusm8779 4 роки тому +15

    This one long ambient light stripe makes it look so elegant

  • @Charlie7829
    @Charlie7829 4 роки тому +4

    Blue and black line. Beautiful.

  • @wipeout456
    @wipeout456 4 роки тому +13

    Amazing car, I’ll be getting the same spec as this one in November but in mythos black with automatic gearbox + comfort and sound pack included!

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +4

      Nice, great spec I’m a big fan of mythos black😀
      What do you get in comfor and sound pack?

    • @wipeout456
      @wipeout456 4 роки тому +6

      crospotter13 me too! Love that stealth look, was thinking about an Edition 1 spec but was too expensive. With the pack, You get heated front seats, reversing camera, parking assist plus (parks the car for you) and bang & olufsen sound system. Definitely worth it, it’s £1200 though

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +6

      Those are some awesome options, exactly what this test car needed.
      B&O is very expsnsive option by itself, so it’s fair price for all those features together (when you compare it to the price if you pick one by one)
      Enjoy the new car when it arrives 😎👌

    • @blixerie9317
      @blixerie9317 6 місяців тому

      @@wipeout456do you still like the car? 😃

  • @Kevin_VER
    @Kevin_VER 3 роки тому +1

    I test drive the black one S-Line today with the 6 speed manual, it had 9000km on it.
    Such a very very nice car, it looks amazing in oerson

  • @Ben-qe8ju
    @Ben-qe8ju 3 роки тому +7

    Big fan. Can’t wait to get mine (almost identical to this one but with the auto gearbox) delivered in October. Do these have fake exhaust noise pumped into the cabin? Also, I’ve heard a few reviewers questioning the quality of some materials, but having sat in one, all I can say is they’re nuts. Their standard baseline must be a Bentley.
    Keep up the good videos.

  • @FlyingScud
    @FlyingScud 4 роки тому +18

    Certainly looks better with the all-black trim. Very over-styled otherwise.

  • @VineV-Dutch
    @VineV-Dutch 3 роки тому

    Favourite colour is always green. We also use it in ships. It's proven this is the most comfortable for your eyes and is the best colour for your eyes to adept from the outside view to your instruments, with are closer to your eyes.

  • @franciscodacosta6372
    @franciscodacosta6372 4 роки тому +5

    Nice video, zagreb looks amazing!

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks and thanks :)
      It’s really a nice scenery, and new video with interesting new Mercedes also night POV coming in a about a week time so stay tuned 😀

  • @murat7570
    @murat7570 4 роки тому +5

    I really like your videos and your voice sounds so sympatic bro. I really like to listen to your voice.

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +1

      Haha thank you mate :) there will be many more night POV videos to come so stay tuned 😀 Facelifted E-Class video night POV just went live yesterday ✌️😀

    • @murat7570
      @murat7570 4 роки тому +1

      @@crospotter13 already watched it brother 😂

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +1

      @@murat7570 haha cool thanks :) POV day video coming tomorrow of that E-Class, and hope to have more new cars on a test soon, and will do my MINI Cooper 2019 POV video with new GoPro in a week or two so see you there :)

    • @murat7570
      @murat7570 4 роки тому +1

      @@crospotter13 i am looking forward foe those videos. And do you know when the next audi video is coming ? I love audis 😁

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +1

      @@murat7570 I hope to get the A3 Sedan from the official dealership in a month or two, and also my friend's new Q3 Sportback will also be one of the upcoming videos, probably next month :)

  • @paralelmind
    @paralelmind 3 роки тому +3

    nice ambient lights!
    how is the cabin noise compared to A4 B9?
    And drive feeling (considering that A3 has no multi link suspension in front)?

  • @wiseman9395
    @wiseman9395 4 роки тому +5

    Love it great video, im with on the wheels my favourite also for the A3 .same inside with the blue trim lightning, what a smooth ride .look forward to the next 1👍

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Thanks:) yeah these wheels look so awesome on the car, and ride is actually still smooth 😀

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Daytime POV also coming 😀

    • @wiseman9395
      @wiseman9395 4 роки тому

      @@crospotter13 that's great thanks alot👍

    • @wiseman9395
      @wiseman9395 4 роки тому +1

      @@crospotter13 yeah the rs6 and wheels are my all time favourites, smooth ride and sound great for a 1.5👍thanks again

  • @icejumperke
    @icejumperke 3 роки тому +1

    I ordered a white A3 S-Line 2021, I’ll have it in June/July, but you’re making me impatient with this video 😂 Nice!
    PS: Thank you for always using your indicator. Too many people nowadays don’t even remember they have one in their car 🙄👊

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks and congrats on your purchase 😀😀

    • @icejumperke
      @icejumperke 3 роки тому

      @@crospotter13 Thank you very much! Let’s hope I have a bit more luck with this one 😫

  • @pablofernandez925
    @pablofernandez925 4 роки тому +3

    I prefer the double exhaust pipe on the left side of the S-Line from previous generation, it makes the car look way more sporty than this generation's exhaust pipe, which is black and doesn't stand out so much

    • @groundhoppingwlkp3622
      @groundhoppingwlkp3622 2 роки тому

      Nowadays you have to buy S3 (4 pipes) or even RS (2 big pipes) to get real exhaust. Or you just can buy base model without that fake exhaust (it looks cool to IMO).

  • @ronaldofabio261
    @ronaldofabio261 4 роки тому +3

    Magnificent car!

  • @jms.99
    @jms.99 2 роки тому

    Finally they changed the interiors... especially the air vents and the NAV(they really looked like still on early 2010's

  • @klasok210
    @klasok210 4 роки тому +11

    At Russia we like 2.0 TFSI, and 1.4 TFSI soso.... And it's very pity to lose 1.8TFSI and 2.0TFSI in A3 2020 (

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +2

      True. I still hope to get something between this 150 HP and the new S3 as the gap between those 2 is huge

  • @Charlie7829
    @Charlie7829 4 роки тому +6

    How is the performance of this 150cv???
    dont you think it'd be better with 160/170?

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +1

      I think it's decent really, but I would love to see the 2.0 TSI 190 cv in this car

  • @LaurentiuBrumar-kl9xv
    @LaurentiuBrumar-kl9xv 29 днів тому +1

    Mulțumesc 🙂🙂🙂

  • @aymanmohamed9124
    @aymanmohamed9124 2 роки тому +2

    Nice video! Do you get any lights if you haven’t got the ambient light pack?

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  2 роки тому +1

      thanks:)
      Not so sure about that, apart from screens maybe footwell lights? But not sure if they come as standard. My suggestion is to spec the ambient light pack as it's not that expensive and it makes the interior look so nice during the night

  • @watopin
    @watopin 4 роки тому +24

    your home town is so beautiful

  • @jamessutterby4827
    @jamessutterby4827 3 роки тому +1

    Looks remarkably like the new golf 8

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  3 роки тому

      similar pattern but this is more user friendly - better controls for AC and better infotainment

  • @EverythingCarsandMoreECAM
    @EverythingCarsandMoreECAM 4 роки тому +2

    Very very good video love it at night

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Thank you very much, me too, ambient lights are so cool 😎😀

  • @timbermaniac5766
    @timbermaniac5766 4 роки тому +3

    Is there a reason why the centre of the steering wheel is circular whereas early reviews showed a more rectangular centre?

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      yeah I also thought about that, not sure the steering wheel ended up being different and more similar to the one the previous gen

  • @irmscher9
    @irmscher9 4 роки тому +2

    I like previous gen A3 much better to be honest.

  • @veem2676
    @veem2676 4 роки тому +4

    Do you get ambient lighting in the footwell too? I see there is an option but can't see it in on in the footwell

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      there is but as I understood it's always white. And contour and the panel on the dashboard as well as the part where there's a wireless charger in the middle that's where you can change various colors (30 options)

  • @shkelzensamahodaj5389
    @shkelzensamahodaj5389 4 роки тому +2

    Odlican video

  • @srillers6538
    @srillers6538 4 роки тому +3

    I will buy this car in few months ;) Thx for the review. Sry for my english i from France

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Nice congrats :) which spec will you go for? Color ?

    • @srillers6538
      @srillers6538 4 роки тому +1

      @@crospotter13 S line , 35 TFSI s tronic, dark blue .
      With almost all options ;)
      I litteraly loves the new version, old version didn't please me.

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +2

      @@srillers6538 beautifl spec and awesome engine choice:) You will love it, it's a real pleasure to drive

    • @redfox8027
      @redfox8027 4 роки тому +1

      Thats funny at the end of the year i am going to buy the exact same spec

    • @srillers6538
      @srillers6538 4 роки тому

      @@redfox8027 Haha ;) Lets go, we gonna have the same car specs

  • @JOHNNYK202
    @JOHNNYK202 3 роки тому +1

    Beautiful car that puts the Golf's design to shame.

  • @simoneloria5542
    @simoneloria5542 3 роки тому +1

    Hi, One question... the footlight still active during the driving? Are present only in the front? Are only white?Thank

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  3 роки тому

      Only white, present while driving, can be turned off if you don’t like it

    • @simoneloria5542
      @simoneloria5542 3 роки тому

      @@crospotter13 in your video are turned off?

  • @zanea6820
    @zanea6820 4 роки тому +1

    which one is more quiet and has a more comfortable suspension, golf or this

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Well Audi is a bit better to drive, this one had Sport suspension as it’s the S Line, and Golf that I drove had standard one. If you want most comfortable ride best option is to go for DCC with adaptive dampers and then in Comfort mode you get the smoothest ride (but that’s also the most expensive option).
      What I liked about the Golf are ergonomic seats with massage though...

  • @SchlechteBewertung
    @SchlechteBewertung 3 роки тому +1

    Hows the Manual Transmission? Sporty or rather "Digital"

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  3 роки тому +1

      Sporty and very sharp, would recommend it

    • @SchlechteBewertung
      @SchlechteBewertung 3 роки тому

      @@crospotter13 thanks for the Quick Response!

  • @taygunterzici8318
    @taygunterzici8318 2 роки тому

    Mercedes a class , bmw 1 series and audi a3 which one don you prefer

  • @draganjeremija9920
    @draganjeremija9920 3 роки тому +1

    Prijatelju, kakva mu je zvučna izolacija na velikim brzinama, vozim civic, odličan je ali uši otpadaju kad krene preko 110 i dalje

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  3 роки тому +1

      pozdrav, izolacija dosta dobra, ima čak tri gumene zaštite kod vrata za dodatno smanjenje buke. Imam video sa autoceste pa možeš pogledati i to: ua-cam.com/video/oxNXT9KKDGg/v-deo.html

    • @borisnjers
      @borisnjers 2 роки тому

      Problem je sto ce audi nakon 4-5 godina poceti da se kvari kao blesav pogotovo mali motor sa turbom dok ce civic da ti ide do iznemoglosti. Mozda vrijedi taj mali ekstra zvuk sa autoputa.

  • @CyberThunder1995
    @CyberThunder1995 3 роки тому +1

    Hallo Bro... A3 Sedan Or Sportback for young driver ???

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  3 роки тому +2

      Hello, I prefer Sportback and I think visibility (rear window) is better on Sportback so would choose Sportback

  • @serkan0332
    @serkan0332 4 роки тому +1

    Awesome my fav RS3

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Reveal of that one should be also soo. 🏁😀
      Glad you like the new A3 😀

    • @EverythingCarsandMoreECAM
      @EverythingCarsandMoreECAM 4 роки тому

      crospotter13 I have an rs3 video m.ua-cam.com/video/c5oZgcNcGcU/v-deo.html

  • @williamliu6855
    @williamliu6855 4 роки тому +1

    How would u compare this to 1 series and a class? Would u say it the best all rounder

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Hello:)
      So this is my verdict: haven’t driven the 1 Series as BMW here in Croatia doesn’t give cars for test :/ so cant’t say anaything about it. Hope I will get the 1 Series via different source in a month time and will know better then.
      Speaking of the A-Class, I think it’s got more tech in terms of infotainment and screens, but overall build quality is better here I would say. Also, I prefer the seating position and drive feel in Audi so my favorite in class currently is Audi 😀

    • @williamliu6855
      @williamliu6855 4 роки тому +1

      crospotter13 thx for the reply

  • @sunnybeachwalks4k2022
    @sunnybeachwalks4k2022 4 роки тому +1

    Nice video beautiful city

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Thanks :) many new videos coming 😎😀

  • @ChrisFromBesak
    @ChrisFromBesak 4 роки тому +2

    Très silencieuse ! Nice 👍🏻

  • @joey634
    @joey634 4 роки тому +1

    Nice car, not available in Philippine

  • @qualitylolz2339
    @qualitylolz2339 4 роки тому +1

    What lighting pack is that ? Standard Led or the ambiance one ?

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      If you think about headlights - it’s the FULL LED lights (front + rear with dynamic indicators). You can get Matrix LED that is above this.
      And interior lightninh is part of ambient light package with 30 colors

  • @rabola55
    @rabola55 4 роки тому +1

    Is the ambient light an option or part of some package?

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Optional thing but not too expensive, around 200€ I think

    • @rabola55
      @rabola55 4 роки тому +1

      @@crospotter13 Ok thanks. I have the 2017 A3 2.0 Tfsi with Quattro S-tronic and S-line now and I'm very happy with the car, biggest difference with the new is the interior, infotainment and gauge cluster of course but I can't really motivate an update.

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      @@rabola55 how much HP do you have? The thing is for now this 1.5 TFSI is the top trim when we speak about petrol engines, there's also an S3 coming with 300HP+, but currently no news on something betwwen those two...I do hope that there will be "regular" 2.0 TFSI options not just S3

    • @rabola55
      @rabola55 4 роки тому +1

      @@crospotter13 It has 190hp and 340Nm, it does 0-100kmph in 6.6s Audi figures but honestly it feels even quicker than that. Let's see what versions will come later but I expect more downsizing engines and hybrid versions.

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +1

      @@rabola55 that's a nice engine and great numbers. Let's hope this new gen also gets something like this - around 200 HP pure petrol, that's the model I would choose for this.

  • @Luci151085
    @Luci151085 4 роки тому +2

    Did you drive with your high beams on the whole time? :-D

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +1

      Nope, standard lights

    • @Luci151085
      @Luci151085 4 роки тому +1

      @@crospotter13 ah, yes the green lamp symbol is for the standard lights, I confused it with the blue high beam symbol😅

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      @@Luci151085 yeah :) You can watch my LED lights test here, there you will see it with high beams :) ua-cam.com/video/xnTQef_PI1o/v-deo.html

  • @maxmorris4562
    @maxmorris4562 3 роки тому

    What's better this or the A class?

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  3 роки тому

      that's a tough one tbh...not sure really, both good, this is more driver focused, A-class is more classy

  • @de-angelocottrell8914
    @de-angelocottrell8914 4 роки тому +3

    Holy sh*t how far down is the parking lot

  • @timb8095
    @timb8095 4 роки тому +1

    Can you have Android/Google Maps on the instrument cluster or only the Audi one and Google only on central display?

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Hello, I think it’s only possible to have it on the middle screen

    • @timb8095
      @timb8095 4 роки тому +1

      crospotter13 thanks - I’d hoped that they’d found a way to “fix” that by now

  • @03singhs
    @03singhs 3 роки тому

    Does the car come with foldable wing mirrors?

  • @fighterinthewind1400
    @fighterinthewind1400 4 роки тому

    Can you change the colors on the dash board? I mean the cockpit, the revs and the speedometer ? It seems that the cockpit it's kind of a blue tone.
    Nice review by night and you're giving quite a good information, well at least for someone like me who doesn't know Audi brand. Other than that, yeah a nice car.
    Cheers from Switzerland 🇨🇭😉✌

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      Thanks :) well you can change color of the strip around the dashboard and ambient lights on doors/surfaces, but infotainment and cockpit stay the same. It’s true that it’s blue, but you can change views on cockpit in front of the driver (for example it can be just NAVIGATION there so that’s cool)
      Stay tuned and subscribe for many new night POV videos coming :)

  • @henrydanger__2125
    @henrydanger__2125 4 роки тому

    price?

  • @imlost19
    @imlost19 4 роки тому +2

    man how do you live with 150hp?

    • @imlost19
      @imlost19 4 роки тому +2

      crazy because in america almost no cars have that low of hp, but in your city it seems appropriate because of the tight small roads. actually seems like fun, like a sporty little go-kart

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +2

      Hahaha yeah here in Europe cities it’s normal to have 150 HP, there are actually many less powerful cars on the street (usually base models have around 115 HP). For street driving this 150 HP is more than enough and also it’s very good in terms of handling so you can enjoy it 😀😊

    • @Scythra
      @Scythra 4 роки тому

      I live in The Netherlands where the top speed is 100 km/h = 60mph on the motorway. Anything above 130 HP is considered more than adequate. Myself, I more like something along the likes of 250 to 350 HP. So you can overtake 90% of cars easily at the traffic lights or can simply get on the highway without stress via the acceleration lane.

    • @feliperezende3588
      @feliperezende3588 4 роки тому

      @@Scythra In Brazil too

  • @lekof
    @lekof 4 роки тому +1

    Is this mild hybrid

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +1

      Answered in other video:) nope, it’s classic petrol paired wtih manual, and with S Tronic here in Croatia you get mild hybrid eTFSI

    • @lekof
      @lekof 4 роки тому +1

      @@crospotter13 ah ok . Can you make a top speed video ??

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      @@lekof unfortunately not as I live in Croatia and speed limit here is 130 km/h. You can watch my daytime POV video where I drive on highway but I don't (and can't) go above the speed limit in that video: ua-cam.com/video/oxNXT9KKDGg/v-deo.html

    • @lekof
      @lekof 4 роки тому

      @@crospotter13 i see, but here in Greece we have the same speed limit but no one really can afford it forever. This is also a reason for many of our accidents

  • @meetasolanki3986
    @meetasolanki3986 4 роки тому +1

    Was this car automatic or manual?

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому +2

      6-speed manual:)

    • @meetasolanki3986
      @meetasolanki3986 4 роки тому +1

      crospotter13 which would you recommend is better? In terms of performance etc

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      @@meetasolanki3986 S tronic automatic probably a bit faster with shifting, but manual is more fun. If you have a lot of city driving automatic is better

  • @themafia33
    @themafia33 3 роки тому +1

    com'è il consumo medio reale?

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  3 роки тому

      circa 8 litri / 100 km nel mio caso :)

  • @Adrianek81
    @Adrianek81 2 місяці тому +1

    I do only automatic now,so much better to drive,my pick is 2.0TDI Auto🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @dsagfdsafbro5004
    @dsagfdsafbro5004 4 роки тому +1

    Way too many ads smh

  • @MegaSkengman
    @MegaSkengman 2 роки тому +1

    It's lighting bro not lightning.

  • @alexissantiago7857
    @alexissantiago7857 4 роки тому +1

    ¿How is The price of this car?

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      in Croatia with all taxes it's more than 50.000 EUR for this model in video

    • @Nepuh
      @Nepuh 4 роки тому +2

      @@crospotter13 50k eur for a3 with 1.5 tsi ? Cars are pretty expensive in Croatia.

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      @@Nepuh yes they are, we have very high second tax based on CO2. So first you pay regular tax and then second tax based on CO2, so not great. But I did answered it wrong it's not 50.000 EUR, it's 46.020 EUR for model in video but still expensive

    • @Nepuh
      @Nepuh 4 роки тому +1

      @@crospotter13 That hurts :(. The 35 tfsi, In Russia costs about 22k euro. It will be simple version without S lines, but with dsg. For 46k euro you can get 45 tfsi A6 with quattro.

  • @DavidA.Guti.
    @DavidA.Guti. 3 роки тому

    Nunca había visto un parking tan grande, pensaba que no salías nunca chaval….por favor, aprende a girar el volante con las dos manos 🙌🏻

  • @dinomorozin7452
    @dinomorozin7452 4 роки тому +1

    Frende dobro pričaš engleski

  • @edfitzpatrick2548
    @edfitzpatrick2548 4 роки тому

    Deffo would go for the dsg, it will always make a better desision and change than a human would

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      That’s true but this is more fun :) But I fully understand the choice :)

  • @tommyreazy
    @tommyreazy 3 роки тому

    The steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car🤯🤯🤯

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  3 роки тому

      😅😅 depends on the market, here it’s on the “right” side 😀

  • @pollo8398
    @pollo8398 4 роки тому

    It looks like an a1 ...

  • @black8117
    @black8117 4 роки тому

    Abeeyyyy bişi anlamıyoz beaaa

  • @ash7990
    @ash7990 4 роки тому +1

    A bit flashy

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      How do you exactly mean?:) if you think about those ambient lights, you can always turn them off if you don’t want them. And also there are various less flashy colors availble if this one isn’t your style 😀

    • @ash7990
      @ash7990 4 роки тому +2

      @@crospotter13 I just don't particularly care about the lights. Its nonsense to me.

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      @@ash7990 I undersrtand that's why it's possible to turn them off (or don't get them at all they are optional but for me it's a must have)

  • @nehcoah8516
    @nehcoah8516 4 роки тому

    150p的小车,配置那么高

  • @AnteBoss
    @AnteBoss 4 роки тому

    de pusti pjesmu koju, testiraj sound system jeboga ti

    • @crospotter13
      @crospotter13  4 роки тому

      nemogu zbog autorskih prava puštati pjesme

    • @AnteBoss
      @AnteBoss 4 роки тому +1

      @@crospotter13 e jebiga onda hahahahah

    • @borisnjers
      @borisnjers 2 роки тому

      Ante, imas test Marshala na youtubu takodje. Sta ces na pregledu auta 😅

  • @loujainetv2655
    @loujainetv2655 3 роки тому

    وريلنا الكحلكح

  • @Benszg
    @Benszg 3 роки тому

    1.5 tsi has that shit kangaroo effect when car is cold

  • @riyadzaoui2352
    @riyadzaoui2352 4 роки тому +1

    Mercedes-Benz A class the best or nothing💥💣🔥⚡🌊💨❄⚡💧

  • @henrydanger__2125
    @henrydanger__2125 4 роки тому

    is there automatic version?