A military story about disintegrated links, so I am in a unit training new recruits and when they're out in the field we usually play enemy or allied soldiers, I was an enemy mg gunner and they had their first fire fight so I didn't really have much to do and I was so bored that I put my empty shells and the links back together and made myself a crown
Reel to reel tape recorders run (use tape) at the set speed but have constantly varying take up reels. Perhaps a heavy system for stringbags but a mere fraction of the weight of the barrel.
Can confirm from personal experience, when training with belt fed machine guns, we have to police call both the brass and links... and the links for one type of ammo have to be separated from the links of a different caliber. (So there’s a box for 5.56 links and a box for 7.62 links)
Ian reads questions toneless to deliver a non bias, informative answer. Sees question that gives him a chance to speak on french gun history and nearly jumps from his seat and raises an octive. I love when he (or karl for that matter) just cant help but nerd out
Hi Ian. Awesome job as usual Both my wife and myself love your work. Noticed the revolver behind you.... Love it. Just looking at your library and admiring it. Then I noticed a variety of ammunition boxes as well. In Canada, if you had a firearm, displayed as you do, or, ammunition displayed as you do, the Local Gendarme, would be at your door in an instant. They would sieze your guns, charge you with as many firearms related offences as there are in the book. Then, you would never be able to leave Canada again.....ever. Just a minor difference between the two countries. .... You folks down there have such an amazing thing, in your constitution, I am often envious of it. We have no such thing here. Nada. So please, keep up the great job, showing us these marvelous pieces of history. Thank you for sharing your knowledge of things we cannot possess. .. And to the American people..... Please fight to maintain your rights....they are basically all that separates you from us. Thanks again.
Having been on a machine gun crew for the better part of my time in the infantry, you are absolutely expected to police up the links, and if you're in a light infantry unit whose funds aren't tied up paying for obsolete things like battalion sized airborne drops, the piles of brass and links at the end of a long day of firing tables are absolutely massive.
Have you considered uploading you're Q&A's and Interviews as podcasts? I would enjoy listening to this type of content on the go, but it would require UA-cam red to do it without using up data.
Ian, Never change.. *casually brings up the fact that he bought a vickers gun then later sold it while talking about a book* I literally had to stop the video and replay just to make sure i heard you right :-O
The M14 was brought back into limited service to fill the battle rifle role in Afghanistan (more bullet energy over the long ranges in Afghan mountains)
Many of the most successful WW1 aces would, at the very least, inspect their ammo belts and, in the case of Lewis guns, drums of ammunition. James McCudden and Albert Ball, in particular, were obsessed with eliminating every possible point of failure with their guns and planes.
Ian has since done dedicated videos on CMMG's delayed blowback guns and he was far more impressed than he thought he would be. If you want an AR pattern PCC, get a CMMG. If you want a cheaper one (CMMG is not a budget brand), don't get an AR pattern one, get a competing design.
My grandfather preferred the cloth belts for his m1917 in Korea. Primarily because they didn't have to be shoveled out of a foxhole and could simply be picked up in a few seconds.
Every time you state a gun or magazine, I really like it. When you do put up a photograph of what you're referring to. Now, I know that probably adds some production time, but it is immensely helpful to me anyway
Though we were late to the party, the Norwegian Armed Forces now uses 5.56mm NATO with the adoption of the HK 416. 7.62mm NATO is still used in the HK 417 marksman rifle and vehicular MG 3 Machine guns.
Re 7.62 mm continued use by Argentina. All of the conflict hypotheses are linked to Patagonia. The 5.56 was tested there and it was found that wind drift made it unfit for the envisioned long range engagements in that extremely windy environment. The other mentioned reasons also apply.
Ian, I'll give you another major advantage of the modern disposable link belt. With a non-disposable link belt you must stop and change the empty belt, thus the gun is down for the time it takes to reload the new belt.... To reload that belt a new box of ammo must be exchanged for the old, positioned in the feed trey and cycled before firing can continue. As one who humped a 60 for 6 of the 7 years I was in, l spent a lot of time standing up in a gun jeep "Rat Patrol " style moving 20 to 50 mph hanging on to my 60 for dear life..... We found that instead of hanging the ammo can on the mount it was easier to let the belt hang down and as the end of the belt started up to the gun my A-Gunner could clip the next belt to the end of the old belt without any stopping to change to a new belt.... In an ambush situation, this could mean the difference between life and death not having your gun go down. Not to mention how hard it was to stand up in the back of a speeding jeep that might be dodging fire at 50 mph when the only thing holding you in the jeep is you hanging on to your gun. We weren't strapped in or to anything. Imagine riding a bull in the rodeo while being shot at. The textbook reload was not an option and going through 300 to 400 rds to clear the convoy through a kill zone not unthinkable. But to have that long of a belt flopping around getting stepped on wasn't good either. But the ability to link another 100 rd belt to the end of the one you're burning through for as long as you need without stopping to change to a new belt was one of the biggest assets of the disposable link for us.
Really sort of funny, usually when I see these Q&A videos, I put them on the side burner for a day when I am particular bored, but then when I watch them, I always wonder what the hell I was thinking, I can learn a LOT from them despite my 40 years into the gun world (well - the last 20 I guess since I stopped doing the gun show circuit and dropped my FFL) Thanks a billion for the lessons in gun history, always a great adventure that perks up an old man's blood and makes a dreary day so much better. God how I miss Arizona now that I am back in the Dakota's for the summer.
I a missing about 30-50% of these questions as I have no clue what you are even talking about but when technical stuff gets explained or historical circumstances come up I really love to listen to all of this :-)
About German proofhouses: They check the barrels and the chambers measurements with gauges. After that every gun will be shot with 2 cartridges for every barrel or 1 cartridge for every revolver-chamber with a pressure of about 130%. Then barrel and chambers will be measured again and if they are still in spec and there are no obvious damages on the gun it will be stamped and legal to bring into the market.
Back when I was in the Army everything, brass and links, at the live fire range was cleaned up after a day of shooting. However, IIRC, that went out the window when we were doing blank fire movement to contact in the field. Certainly, at NTC I could find brass all over the place. I remember picking 20mm brass and even the sabot casing from 120mm tank rounds.
I am from Turkey. Turkey actually adopted newest battle rifle in 5.56 caliber but field test reports from soldiers said that they actually preferred 7.62 caliber. This decision has many number of reasons behind it. First one is, environment these rifles most used are the mountains of Eastern Turkey, which individual skirmishes occur in 200-400 meter ranges across valleys, so point blank range and stopping power is first comes to mind of a soldier. Second is, Turkish military successively used 1892 Mauser, M1 Garand and H&K G3 as general issue rifles, so every single new or old member of the army is familiar with the negatives of the full battle rifle cartridge and training streamlined already. Third is, while for some time Turkish military flirted with US infantry system, now we are using a mix between British and German squad based tactics. Like the WW2 Wehrmacht, we have 8 man squads, 6 of them carrying full power battle rifles and one with MG3. Individual soldier is never suppose to fire his rifle in full auto to suppress enemy, that job is the machinegunners job. That means you'll always have controllable, accurate semi-auto fire with 7.62 cartridges. Tank and artillery crewman, special operation forces are all using 5.56 in carbine sizes and that means there isn't any discussion for size and manoeuvrability in any case. It can be understand as being backward (and maybe it is being backward) but decision to use 7.62 has some merits and negatives as well, like most decisions.
And yet now for a number of years their are people who are pushing for an intermediate round between 5.56 and 7.62, usually hovering between 6.5 and 6.8mm. Their claim is that this round will do everything that 5.56 can do, and be lighter than 7.62 NATO, yet retain the long range penetration of 7.62. A sort of best of both worlds. I wish them luck.
Ian, Your comment about factories being located next to waterways reminded me of my visit to Kongsberg Norway on 2016. The old mine and arms factory was right next to the river that ran through downtown Kongsberg
The 5.56 has had problems in Afghanistan due to high winds and longer ranges. Argentina has a similar situation, while being notably short on jungle, hence the preference for 7.62.
UnaSolida I would agree in most environments. The question was related to the specific question of why Argentina went with the 7.62. A comrade was at the rifle range with the M16 in 40 knot winds and had to aim five targets into the wind to hit his own.
Tom Murray, Argentina has a history of being a bit of a “maverick” for cartridges - instead of adopting the 7mm Mauser or the various 6.5 mm Mausers (or adopting the 8mm round) they chose to go with a virtually identical round to the 300 Savage, the 7.5 French - they kinda lead the way with the 7.65 Argentina.
UnaSolida 308 bounces off brush... Tell that do the deer I killed through it in heavly wooded areas where 30 yards is pushing visibility. Would you rather have a bullet deflect or stop/shatter hitting intermediary objects?
UnaSolida Oh please ballistic expert, share your ballistic wisdom with us and tell us how the 5.56 and 5.54 don't bounce off brush, compared to the sucky 308.
xephael - dude it doesn’t matter the weight or the speed of the bullet, if the round has a spitzer design it’s going to deflect even by hitting small bushes, you need a big ol slug or a flat nose 45/70 to reliably shot thru vegetation
A neat wildcat cartridge I've come across recently while looking for a smallbore revolver cartridge is the .270 REN, which is a .22 Hornet case necked up to use .277" projectiles (ie 6.8 Rem SPC or .270 Win). According to Hornady it was originally developed by Charles Rensing and Jim Rock to exploit a loophole in the rules for the NRA Hunters Pistol Silhouette Competition which required a straight-walled case. I'd be interested in knowing if you've ever heard of this cartridge or seen a gun chambered for it. I certainly think it's a fascinating idea and wish it was more popular.
It is June 2024. I watched 15 minutes of this and thought it was a recent video all this time. Nothing changed it seems - Ian is the same and his recording setup and content are the same too. That is nice consistency, you know what to expect and you can pick any video you want from the channel and feel right at home. That's nice
German Flare Pistols and Signal Ammunition.... man that book is Scheit. Your book collection is nuts. I can't believe that you own an entire book on flare pistols.
My local shop had a "Grab bag" of 8mm Mauser... I ended up getting a bunch of rounds for about 25 cents each. It was a real surprise to cook off a round and end up with a huge smoke ring and a fire line. I didn't realize that some of those rounds had red primers and were actually tracers. That was a fun experience. :)
...and then there was the mixed Ethiopian and Turkish lots that let you practice your follow-through by having hangfires of up to half a second. A wonder I didn't blow up the rifle with that trash.
Ian, Steel/Firearms industry wasnt settling where there was iron nearby but rather coal! For some reason its easier to transport ore to the coal than the other way round.
12:32 - actually most of Europe (not sure if any are exempt) countries are part of C.I.P. and thus firarms proofing is standardized by the CIP. Slight difference per country might be what is considered serious enough change to the gun, that it requests re-proofing.
To the question about what the CMMG delayed blowback system is most similar to, I remember seeing a patent for a rotating roller delayed blowback, if memory serves it was filed by the lead designer of the VZ-58, don't recall his name but I'm sure it's just a Google search away. Kind of a hybrid between the CETME and CMMG system, very interesting. IIRC that same gun also used an interesting "belt in box" magazine. Don't recall what it was called though.
My great grandfather was a pilot in ww1 doing aerial photography. When he went for RnR in London he ended up having to shoot down zeppelins. They did this with revolvers, machine guns with tracer rounds and grenades. To begin with they had to use revolvers to see if they could pop the zeppelins gas bags to get them lower because their aircraft would stall at the height the explains flew. They would make a mad acceleration towards the zep before firing shots to open it and the trying to restart the plane on the way down. If they were successful in making a hole and getting the zep down they would then have to throw grenades into any holes they made. Later they did all of this in one with their tracer rounds
tommothedog Jesus! I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a crashing Zeppelin, let alone close enough to throw a grenade into one! Your great grandfather certainly had some balls, and luck!
The Glenfiddich Solera Reserve 15-year old single malt Scotch taken from a Stewart Crystal Whisky glass....neat and in his left hand would complete the scene. Nothing less for a gentleman of Ian's calibre. ....... "come along Dr Watson and bring your Webley".
I'm so confused by the imagery in this video. I don't know if I'm looking at Jesus, Wild Bill Hickok, some kind of eastern martial arts guru, or a civil war officer in his study.
I watch Ian channel now for serval years. Yestday i talk to a gunsmith. He wanted to hire me, just because i know so much about guns, which is unsual i germany. It´s incredial how much i learned from him, also about history. Thank Ian for that. This is a firnge but graet channel. Thank you Ian.
Ian, just fyi on the reciever rewelding. I was doing just that and my understanding and the internet followed your logic. however last year when the ATF served a search warrant on my place, the agent felt that rewelding the reciever itself was constructing a machine gun, and not matter how many modifications you made to the parts he considered it readily convertable. its been a year and they still have thousands of dollars of my parts kit. to say they dont know what they are doing is an understatement, especially when they did forfeiture on my BAR parts kit put together on a phly ordnancd displace receiver...aka alum cast for looks only. so yeah, here I am in legal limbo due to the rewelding issue.
They just make up the "laws" on the fly, so there is no point trying to follow the law with them. They "interpret" to mean the exact opposite of what the law actually says.
The BATFE has a list of illegal aspects of semi autos. They are correct in doing it. The point is to make it as close to impossible to illegally convert a gun to full auto. The most well known is that fixed firing pins are illegal, they must be floating. There is a list you can get of the number and types of non imported and civilian grade gun parts. Stick to the list, follow the BATFE regulations and you will be fine. The BATFE even has a option where you can ask them about a gun project you have planned and are not sure if it is legal or not. They research your question and give you a reply on paper. That way you can be sure if you are legal or not. Above all, respect all gun laws. Libertarians may whine about U.S gun laws, but we are lucky. In Europe the guns laws are draconian. In Germany for example, you need a government permit to reload ammo. Want to buy primers or powder in Europe? You would need a government permit to buy it. In France, all military calibers, past or present are banned. That keeps a lot of choices off the table. The point us that as long as Dems in America do not write gun laws, we have it pretty darn good.
The Hughes amendment was passed under highly questionable situations, and is unconstitutional. I am not going to be thankful that only SOME rights have been violated. I will not stop until our rights are restored, or I am dead. Also, the BATFE are idiots. They deemed a barrel shroud that looks like a suppressor is a suppressor unless some changes were made. The changes made it EASIER to convert it into a suppressor if you wanted to drill the barrel because many of them do not know a lot about firearms. There are a few I have interacted with though that actually have some idea about firearms. It is only their job after all.
@@hihu7200 in fact primers are free to buy for everyone aged 18 or older. Gun powder is treated as an explosive and so you need to get a license to handle it. A hundred kilometers to the south in Austria it's also free to buy for every adult.
18:08 Norway has been using the 5,56x 45nato in their hk416 whitch is the standard issue weapon in the norwegian army since 2007. The AG3/G3( automat gevær 3) is phased out. The only rifles that use 7.62 nato in the norwegian army now is the hk417 in the DMR role and the MG3 Which is basically a mg42 in 7.62. Maybe a few FN mags here and there still uses the 7.62. The G3/ Ag3 is still in use by Heimevernet(national guard) but its almost phased out there too. I saw a few guys from on a exercise last year who used the old g3 and 80s militarystuff but most guys got the hk416. Sorry for my horrible english! I love this forgotten weapons! Keep the info flowing! And by the way congrats to norways natonal day 17. May! Hipp hurra!
zatan løkken Non Colt USA companies seem to make superior military AR variants these days, we have Colt Canada C7 and C8 rifles for our military and the British SAS, you guys have the H&K piston variants, seems like Colt USA is dropping the ball these days.
Sweet smoking "jacket" my friend! I always love to see shots of your library. I recognize a lot of literature that I also have. But by no means compare my knowledge to yours.
Like the reference to the dreaded police call after the bang bang stuff is done lol And yes in training environments all brass and links are policed up
The way we used MAGs in the Israeli army in the 90s is use the time when you take cover to take an extra 60-70 round loose belt out of a webbing pouch, open the cover, link it to the existing belt (you need to engage the stop gate for the main belt sack on the gun first not to let the belt drop, or you lose several seconds getting it out) and then drop the whole thing into the sack with just enough sticking out to close the top cover. The belt is in a cloth sack hanging on a bracket under the feed tray, And then disengage the belt stop on the sack (if you are a combat soldier it's done with a live round with a link on it hanging on a paracord, even though it's not allowed). That assures continuous fire with preloads at your own free time. When you run out of the loose belts you switch to the spare sacks in the backpack (two of 125). That's a more substantial reload because you need to take the backpack off and change the sack. So I don't know how people function with continuous belts...
1. Will you do more in-depth episode about German g43 rifle? 2. Did Steyr m95 action was further developed after WW1? Especially as a step towards semi-auto rifle or light machine gun. 3. Were there any WW1 conversion of Steyr m95 in to light machine gun? Something like with the Ross rifle? 4. Did German continue development of 6mm cartridge after it was abandoned in favor of 8mm spritzer? 5. Did UK worked on semi auto rifles on its own before ww2? From what I know it looks like they evaluated number of rifles (primarily made by US designers) but I did not heard anything about in-house development of semi-auto rifle.
One or two minor quibbles on rims. The Springfield 1903's original chambering, the.30-03 cartridge, could be considered a .30-40 rimless improved. It launched the same 220 grain round nose bullet the Krag did faster with a rimless case more suited to magazine feeding. Rims are of no consequence to belt fed guns.
The Merwin-Hulbert you mention (as opposed to earlier models) might have the slight edge over the S&W by having a top strap, too, though perhaps for the loads available at the time that might not have been that big of an issue for all I know. But I agree, the M-H were very cool looking revolvers.
I was a US Army M-60 gunner in the 80s (Hey Adams you're a big burly guy here's the pig! (regardless of me being left-handed x_x)), and yes we were made to clean up the links when on the range, we didn't have to turn them in but dispose of them in the trash barrel. We didn't mind, laying down prone on a few forgotten links in the El Paso desert summer heat, makes you appreciate keeping the range squared away rather quickly.
Shawn Adams what would have happened if you lost the spare barrel and t&e mechinism? I found a very rusted M60 barrel with a 88 date and t&e mechinism in the El Paso desert. Thought I found a old bag of tools at first LOL
Ian, did you bought the smoking jacket with the patreon money and that's why you always wear it in the q&a videos? You look lovely in it by the way...!
That is very awesome, both your Mom making it and you showing it off on your show! I wish I could smoke my pipes or cigars in the house, but my wife would probably throw me off the balcony :-P
I used to own a S African sub machine gun in 9 mm. It was called the “Kommando “. It was a straight blow back virtually identical to the Uzi, very easily maintained too. Problem is I’ve never seen one again.. and I had gone and sold mine.!
Here's not necessarily a forgotten, but unusual, weapon. A straight pull rifle from Blaser (the R8 or R93). You had a question of straight pulls, but they use a collider locking system, which is definitely something different and interesting.
I would want to make the comparison between the CMMG Guard and the Thompson machine gun, the are both essentially relying on friction between to metal surfaces.
I remember with the British gpmg the belts come in thirty round disintegrating link. So we had to join them together. If your firing a sustained fire lmg like the fn mag, you're going to be very busy, plus it kills your fingers because you can't join them effectively with gloves on. Massive pain in the arse. I remember being shouted at quite often. GET LINKING. I'll never forget that. I could not do it fasy enough
Yes, old bolt actions need a turn. But there are modern bolt actions that don't need that, for example the Blaser R8. It is very popular in Germany as a hunting rifle, especially for driven hunts where you may need to fire fast more than 3 shots since semi autos are limited to 2 + 1 bullets. It is mechanically a very interesting system.
If I had bought a gun and they delivered it later than specified in the contract AND it wasn't configured as I had requested I'd buy from somewhere else, too. Basically the French weren't desperate enough to use Remington again.
The coolest gift gun was my High Standard Sport King when I was 9... maybe a tad young but I shot zillions of rounds through that gun. They were relatively cheap at the time.
For South African Forgotten Weapons, please do a segment on the LEW Vektor Z88 9mm Pistol, Vektor H5 Pump Action .223 Rem and the Griffon M1911A1 Combat in .45ACP. All great Guns from the 80's & 90's.
Pretty sure the straight trigger is an old holdover from the days of settriggers, as set triggers were curved and the trigger was straight . So not to confuse people at the switch to "modern"...powder and carterage format
Another factor regarding 7.62 NATO is terrain. The Argentina topography includes wide open plains and several other regions share those considerations. Turkish Anatolia and Afghanistan come to mind. The range advantage of full size rifle cartridges matter there.
One of the reasons why the Turkish Army sticks with 7.62x51 NATO is that it's a mountainous country and the engagements take place at a longer range than usual and there isn't much urban combat. Units specialized in urban combat carry 5.56 weapons such as HK33.
A local gunshop has an Enfield MK 2 for sale that has been, uh, refinished with what looks like stove paint. If the dealer wasn't asking so much I would rescue it.
Indeed, the military reuses everything while training. We police up spent brass and links, reusing the links, and in addition to keeping the range beautiful and grassy, I suspect the brass is reloaded.
GruntBurger in the US the brass is sold on the surplus market most is to be melted down. I don’t really know what happens to the links though. I suspect the same thing. I know we’d save a belt of like 25 to practice reload drills on our 240s. But it also depends on what type of range we were doing and what ammo we were using. With blanks in our training areas we just gave the spent blanks and links back to the earth ie just left them where they fell. On actual ranges we would police up the brass and links with the expectation of 90% collection.
We would often save and reuse the links in a range environment, probably because it's logistically easier to draw the same type of ammo and make your privates manually load links... but yeah, we'd toss them as often as we'd collect them.
We'd end up taking all the range brass and links to DRMO to be sold as scrap. Other than the marksmanship teams, I don't recall anyone in the military reloading brass.
All I know is delinking is just as fun as linking ammo by hand. I bought 1000 rounds of (I believe) Chinese 308 that oh joy came on M13 link. It’s been fun, please pray for my fingers
A military story about disintegrated links, so I am in a unit training new recruits and when they're out in the field we usually play enemy or allied soldiers, I was an enemy mg gunner and they had their first fire fight so I didn't really have much to do and I was so bored that I put my empty shells and the links back together and made myself a crown
That is hilarious! The King of Elbonia no doubt!
Reel to reel tape recorders run (use tape) at the set speed but have constantly varying take up reels.
Perhaps a heavy system for stringbags but a mere fraction of the weight of the barrel.
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32:02 ....... "Bayonets have been a traditional sticking point...."
8-)
This comment is on point.
Quite sharp wit you have there.
You didn't need to point that out to us
cutting edge talking point
Shank you for the funny comments
Can confirm from personal experience, when training with belt fed machine guns, we have to police call both the brass and links... and the links for one type of ammo have to be separated from the links of a different caliber. (So there’s a box for 5.56 links and a box for 7.62 links)
It's crazy that the 54r is still "kicking" after nearly 130 years of service.
Well there is nothing that is better enough to justify converting to something else.
32:04 "Bajonetts have been a sticking point for rifles" 😂
Simple, yet elegant explanation haha
I just notice that he's use boxes of ammo has book ends.
Don't you?
I do now.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
I've always loved this lol
Wait what do other people use?
Fireplace and hounds needed
And a stuffed bear...
I just love how Ian uses boxes of ammunition as book ends.
Haha, true!
Didn't notice that before I saw your comment 😅 that is dedication to a hobby.
Ian reads questions toneless to deliver a non bias, informative answer. Sees question that gives him a chance to speak on french gun history and nearly jumps from his seat and raises an octive. I love when he (or karl for that matter) just cant help but nerd out
Hi Ian.
Awesome job as usual
Both my wife and myself love your work.
Noticed the revolver behind you....
Love it.
Just looking at your library and admiring it.
Then I noticed a variety of ammunition boxes as well.
In Canada, if you had a firearm, displayed as you do, or, ammunition displayed as you do, the Local Gendarme, would be at your door in an instant.
They would sieze your guns, charge you with as many firearms related offences as there are in the book.
Then, you would never be able to leave Canada again.....ever.
Just a minor difference between the two countries. ....
You folks down there have such an amazing thing, in your constitution, I am often envious of it.
We have no such thing here.
Nada.
So please, keep up the great job, showing us these marvelous pieces of history.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge of things we cannot possess. ..
And to the American people.....
Please fight to maintain your rights....they are basically all that separates you from us.
Thanks again.
Having been on a machine gun crew for the better part of my time in the infantry, you are absolutely expected to police up the links, and if you're in a light infantry unit whose funds aren't tied up paying for obsolete things like battalion sized airborne drops, the piles of brass and links at the end of a long day of firing tables are absolutely massive.
Have you considered uploading you're Q&A's and Interviews as podcasts? I would enjoy listening to this type of content on the go, but it would require UA-cam red to do it without using up data.
Two years later I’m in the same boat as you, and agree with your suggestion.
@@danielkoster6832 Three years later and we have vanced that lets you stream audio only for UA-cam for free
Please Ian
@@isaiahboyd6068 95% certain that he does this on the Patreon
Why not just listen to these on UA-cam like I do
Ian, Never change.. *casually brings up the fact that he bought a vickers gun then later sold it while talking about a book* I literally had to stop the video and replay just to make sure i heard you right :-O
32:04 "Bayonets had traditionally been a sticking point" unintentional pun there Ian?
The M14 was brought back into limited service to fill the battle rifle role in Afghanistan (more bullet energy over the long ranges in Afghan mountains)
Many of the most successful WW1 aces would, at the very least, inspect their ammo belts and, in the case of Lewis guns, drums of ammunition. James McCudden and Albert Ball, in particular, were obsessed with eliminating every possible point of failure with their guns and planes.
Ian has since done dedicated videos on CMMG's delayed blowback guns and he was far more impressed than he thought he would be. If you want an AR pattern PCC, get a CMMG. If you want a cheaper one (CMMG is not a budget brand), don't get an AR pattern one, get a competing design.
My grandfather preferred the cloth belts for his m1917 in Korea. Primarily because they didn't have to be shoveled out of a foxhole and could simply be picked up in a few seconds.
Every time you state a gun or magazine, I really like it. When you do put up a photograph of what you're referring to. Now, I know that probably adds some production time, but it is immensely helpful to me anyway
Though we were late to the party, the Norwegian Armed Forces now uses 5.56mm NATO with the adoption of the HK 416. 7.62mm NATO is still used in the HK 417 marksman rifle and vehicular MG 3 Machine guns.
Re 7.62 mm continued use by Argentina. All of the conflict hypotheses are linked to Patagonia. The 5.56 was tested there and it was found that wind drift made it unfit for the envisioned long range engagements in that extremely windy environment. The other mentioned reasons also apply.
Ian,
I'll give you another major advantage of the modern disposable link belt.
With a non-disposable link belt you must stop and change the empty belt, thus the gun is down for the time it takes to reload the new belt....
To reload that belt a new box of ammo must be exchanged for the old, positioned in the feed trey and cycled before firing can continue.
As one who humped a 60 for 6 of the 7 years I was in, l spent a lot of time standing up in a gun jeep "Rat Patrol " style moving 20 to 50 mph hanging on to my 60 for dear life.....
We found that instead of hanging the ammo can on the mount it was easier to let the belt hang down and as the end of the belt started up to the gun my
A-Gunner could clip the next belt to the end of the old belt without any stopping to change to a new belt....
In an ambush situation, this could mean the difference between life and death not having your gun go down.
Not to mention how hard it was to stand up in the back of a speeding jeep that might be dodging fire at 50 mph when the only thing holding you in the jeep is you hanging on to your gun.
We weren't strapped in or to anything.
Imagine riding a bull in the rodeo while being shot at.
The textbook reload was not an option and going through 300 to 400 rds to clear the convoy through a kill zone not unthinkable.
But to have that long of a belt flopping around getting stepped on wasn't good either.
But the ability to link another 100 rd belt to the end of the one you're burning through for as long as you need without stopping to change to a new belt was one of the biggest assets of the disposable link for us.
Really sort of funny, usually when I see these Q&A videos, I put them on the side burner for a day when I am particular bored, but then when I watch them, I always wonder what the hell I was thinking, I can learn a LOT from them despite my 40 years into the gun world (well - the last 20 I guess since I stopped doing the gun show circuit and dropped my FFL) Thanks a billion for the lessons in gun history, always a great adventure that perks up an old man's blood and makes a dreary day so much better. God how I miss Arizona now that I am back in the Dakota's for the summer.
Jerry Ericsson Just popping in to say Arizona is the place to be! Born here, raised here, probably gonna die here!
Jerry Ericsson lol I do the same. Every damn time. By far the most informative firearms vids I watch on UA-cam
I absolutely love that you not only have use ammo for your book ends, but use a different type of ammo for each book end. That's classé
I a missing about 30-50% of these questions as I have no clue what you are even talking about but when technical stuff gets explained or historical circumstances come up I really love to listen to all of this :-)
About German proofhouses: They check the barrels and the chambers measurements with gauges. After that every gun will be shot with 2 cartridges for every barrel or 1 cartridge for every revolver-chamber with a pressure of about 130%. Then barrel and chambers will be measured again and if they are still in spec and there are no obvious damages on the gun it will be stamped and legal to bring into the market.
Back when I was in the Army everything, brass and links, at the live fire range was cleaned up after a day of shooting. However, IIRC, that went out the window when we were doing blank fire movement to contact in the field. Certainly, at NTC I could find brass all over the place. I remember picking 20mm brass and even the sabot casing from 120mm tank rounds.
I am from Turkey. Turkey actually adopted newest battle rifle in 5.56 caliber but field test reports from soldiers said that they actually preferred 7.62 caliber. This decision has many number of reasons behind it. First one is, environment these rifles most used are the mountains of Eastern Turkey, which individual skirmishes occur in 200-400 meter ranges across valleys, so point blank range and stopping power is first comes to mind of a soldier. Second is, Turkish military successively used 1892 Mauser, M1 Garand and H&K G3 as general issue rifles, so every single new or old member of the army is familiar with the negatives of the full battle rifle cartridge and training streamlined already. Third is, while for some time Turkish military flirted with US infantry system, now we are using a mix between British and German squad based tactics. Like the WW2 Wehrmacht, we have 8 man squads, 6 of them carrying full power battle rifles and one with MG3. Individual soldier is never suppose to fire his rifle in full auto to suppress enemy, that job is the machinegunners job. That means you'll always have controllable, accurate semi-auto fire with 7.62 cartridges. Tank and artillery crewman, special operation forces are all using 5.56 in carbine sizes and that means there isn't any discussion for size and manoeuvrability in any case. It can be understand as being backward (and maybe it is being backward) but decision to use 7.62 has some merits and negatives as well, like most decisions.
And yet now for a number of years their are people who are pushing for an intermediate round between 5.56 and 7.62, usually hovering between 6.5 and 6.8mm. Their claim is that this round will do everything that 5.56 can do, and be lighter than 7.62 NATO, yet retain the long range penetration of 7.62. A sort of best of both worlds. I wish them luck.
@@davidmarquardt2445. The M1 garand was originally designed for a new .276 caliber. That is an interesting lost turn.
Ian,
Your comment about factories being located next to waterways reminded me of my visit to Kongsberg Norway on 2016. The old mine and arms factory was right next to the river that ran through downtown Kongsberg
This is like listing to your great Uncle speak about how cold the winter of 62 was.
The 5.56 has had problems in Afghanistan due to high winds and longer ranges. Argentina has a similar situation, while being notably short on jungle, hence the preference for 7.62.
UnaSolida I would agree in most environments. The question was related to the specific question of why Argentina went with the 7.62. A comrade was at the rifle range with the M16 in 40 knot winds and had to aim five targets into the wind to hit his own.
Tom Murray, Argentina has a history of being a bit of a “maverick” for cartridges - instead of adopting the 7mm Mauser or the various 6.5 mm
Mausers (or adopting the 8mm round) they chose to go with a virtually identical round to the 300 Savage, the 7.5 French - they kinda lead the way with the 7.65 Argentina.
UnaSolida 308 bounces off brush... Tell that do the deer I killed through it in heavly wooded areas where 30 yards is pushing visibility. Would you rather have a bullet deflect or stop/shatter hitting intermediary objects?
UnaSolida Oh please ballistic expert, share your ballistic wisdom with us and tell us how the 5.56 and 5.54 don't bounce off brush, compared to the sucky 308.
xephael - dude it doesn’t matter the weight or the speed of the bullet, if the round has a spitzer design it’s going to deflect even by hitting small bushes, you need a big ol slug or a flat nose 45/70 to reliably shot thru vegetation
A neat wildcat cartridge I've come across recently while looking for a smallbore revolver cartridge is the .270 REN, which is a .22 Hornet case necked up to use .277" projectiles (ie 6.8 Rem SPC or .270 Win). According to Hornady it was originally developed by Charles Rensing and Jim Rock to exploit a loophole in the rules for the NRA Hunters Pistol Silhouette Competition which required a straight-walled case. I'd be interested in knowing if you've ever heard of this cartridge or seen a gun chambered for it. I certainly think it's a fascinating idea and wish it was more popular.
Just finished rugby training. Time to crack a beer and have the perfect warm down with forgotten weapons.
Who you play for bro?
It is June 2024. I watched 15 minutes of this and thought it was a recent video all this time. Nothing changed it seems - Ian is the same and his recording setup and content are the same too. That is nice consistency, you know what to expect and you can pick any video you want from the channel and feel right at home. That's nice
Hey you lemmings, that is a silk smoking jacket { in camouflage}, and the Hickock look will always be in style. Thank you Ian.
German Flare Pistols and Signal Ammunition.... man that book is Scheit.
Your book collection is nuts. I can't believe that you own an entire book on flare pistols.
16:11 - "The navy liked it because it had a lot of penetration....." Well, I guess some things never change. Lol
Got em
My local shop had a "Grab bag" of 8mm Mauser... I ended up getting a bunch of rounds for about 25 cents each. It was a real surprise to cook off a round and end up with a huge smoke ring and a fire line. I didn't realize that some of those rounds had red primers and were actually tracers. That was a fun experience. :)
...and then there was the mixed Ethiopian and Turkish lots that let you practice your follow-through by having hangfires of up to half a second.
A wonder I didn't blow up the rifle with that trash.
"476 Enfield. Every box comes with a monocle in it" - 🤣🤣🤣
Ian, Steel/Firearms industry wasnt settling where there was iron nearby but rather coal! For some reason its easier to transport ore to the coal than the other way round.
12:32 - actually most of Europe (not sure if any are exempt) countries are part of C.I.P. and thus firarms proofing is standardized by the CIP. Slight difference per country might be what is considered serious enough change to the gun, that it requests re-proofing.
I'm always impress how you really know a lot on the French history weapons :)
Well done on the pipe with the smoking jacket
To the question about what the CMMG delayed blowback system is most similar to, I remember seeing a patent for a rotating roller delayed blowback, if memory serves it was filed by the lead designer of the VZ-58, don't recall his name but I'm sure it's just a Google search away. Kind of a hybrid between the CETME and CMMG system, very interesting. IIRC that same gun also used an interesting "belt in box" magazine. Don't recall what it was called though.
My great grandfather was a pilot in ww1 doing aerial photography. When he went for RnR in London he ended up having to shoot down zeppelins. They did this with revolvers, machine guns with tracer rounds and grenades.
To begin with they had to use revolvers to see if they could pop the zeppelins gas bags to get them lower because their aircraft would stall at the height the explains flew. They would make a mad acceleration towards the zep before firing shots to open it and the trying to restart the plane on the way down. If they were successful in making a hole and getting the zep down they would then have to throw grenades into any holes they made.
Later they did all of this in one with their tracer rounds
tommothedog Jesus! I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a crashing Zeppelin, let alone close enough to throw a grenade into one! Your great grandfather certainly had some balls, and luck!
Another excellent Q&A video Ian!
A machine gun range near me uses a big magnet next to the gun to catch disintegrating links as the gun spits them out.
The Glenfiddich Solera Reserve 15-year old single malt Scotch taken from a Stewart Crystal Whisky glass....neat and in his left hand would complete the scene. Nothing less for a gentleman of Ian's calibre. ....... "come along Dr Watson and bring your Webley".
Love the house coat; God bless you man
This video shows the extent museums and a lot of websites are lacking details of weaponry, maybe it's not PC. But we love your history lessons 👌
I laughed at the 32 minute mark where Ian said the added bayonet was a sticking point...!
I'm so confused by the imagery in this video. I don't know if I'm looking at Jesus, Wild Bill Hickok, some kind of eastern martial arts guru, or a civil war officer in his study.
Hilbert's Inn Yes, yes you are.
You talking about Steven Segal?
PRO-TIP: Throw a powerfully magnet in your range bag, makes picking up steel links a snap ;)
I watch Ian channel now for serval years. Yestday i talk to a gunsmith. He wanted to hire me, just because i know so much about guns, which is unsual i germany. It´s incredial how much i learned from him, also about history. Thank Ian for that. This is a firnge but graet channel. Thank you Ian.
Ian, just fyi on the reciever rewelding. I was doing just that and my understanding and the internet followed your logic. however last year when the ATF served a search warrant on my place, the agent felt that rewelding the reciever itself was constructing a machine gun, and not matter how many modifications you made to the parts he considered it readily convertable. its been a year and they still have thousands of dollars of my parts kit. to say they dont know what they are doing is an understatement, especially when they did forfeiture on my BAR parts kit put together on a phly ordnancd displace receiver...aka alum cast for looks only.
so yeah, here I am in legal limbo due to the rewelding issue.
They just make up the "laws" on the fly, so there is no point trying to follow the law with them. They "interpret" to mean the exact opposite of what the law actually says.
Hope your dog is ok
The BATFE has a list of illegal aspects of semi autos. They are correct in doing it. The point is to make it as close to impossible to illegally convert a gun to full auto.
The most well known is that fixed firing pins are illegal, they must be floating.
There is a list you can get of the number and types of non imported and civilian grade gun parts.
Stick to the list, follow the BATFE regulations and you will be fine. The BATFE even has a option where you can ask them about a gun project you have planned and are not sure if it is legal or not.
They research your question and give you a reply on paper. That way you can be sure if you are legal or not.
Above all, respect all gun laws. Libertarians may whine about U.S gun laws, but we are lucky. In Europe the guns laws are draconian.
In Germany for example, you need a government permit to reload ammo. Want to buy primers or powder in Europe? You would need a government permit to buy it. In France, all military calibers, past or present are banned. That keeps a lot of choices off the table.
The point us that as long as Dems in America do not write gun laws, we have it pretty darn good.
The Hughes amendment was passed under highly questionable situations, and is unconstitutional. I am not going to be thankful that only SOME rights have been violated. I will not stop until our rights are restored, or I am dead. Also, the BATFE are idiots. They deemed a barrel shroud that looks like a suppressor is a suppressor unless some changes were made. The changes made it EASIER to convert it into a suppressor if you wanted to drill the barrel because many of them do not know a lot about firearms. There are a few I have interacted with though that actually have some idea about firearms. It is only their job after all.
@@hihu7200 in fact primers are free to buy for everyone aged 18 or older. Gun powder is treated as an explosive and so you need to get a license to handle it.
A hundred kilometers to the south in Austria it's also free to buy for every adult.
Hello from South Africa, hope you enjoyed your trip out here and look forward to videos on R series of rifles
18:08 Norway has been using the 5,56x 45nato in their hk416 whitch is the standard issue weapon in the norwegian army since 2007. The AG3/G3( automat gevær 3) is phased out. The only rifles that use 7.62 nato in the norwegian army now is the hk417 in the DMR role and the MG3 Which is basically a mg42 in 7.62. Maybe a few FN mags here and there still uses the 7.62. The G3/ Ag3 is still in use by Heimevernet(national guard) but its almost phased out there too. I saw a few guys from on a exercise last year who used the old g3 and 80s militarystuff but most guys got the hk416. Sorry for my horrible english! I love this forgotten weapons! Keep the info flowing! And by the way congrats to norways natonal day 17. May! Hipp hurra!
zatan løkken Non Colt USA companies seem to make superior military AR variants these days, we have Colt Canada C7 and C8 rifles for our military and the British SAS, you guys have the H&K piston variants, seems like Colt USA is dropping the ball these days.
Sweet smoking "jacket" my friend!
I always love to see shots of your library.
I recognize a lot of literature that I also have.
But by no means compare my knowledge to yours.
'Quintessentially British' and you left out the Martini-Henry? I was mildly surprised, in fact I almost raised an eyebrow.
Ian is the only guy I have seen who can afford to use boxes of ammo as bookends! ;-)
Really enjoying these monologues.
Like the reference to the dreaded police call after the bang bang stuff is done lol
And yes in training environments all brass and links are policed up
Excellent video Ian.
The way we used MAGs in the Israeli army in the 90s is use the time when you take cover to take an extra 60-70 round loose belt out of a webbing pouch, open the cover, link it to the existing belt (you need to engage the stop gate for the main belt sack on the gun first not to let the belt drop, or you lose several seconds getting it out) and then drop the whole thing into the sack with just enough sticking out to close the top cover. The belt is in a cloth sack hanging on a bracket under the feed tray, And then disengage the belt stop on the sack (if you are a combat soldier it's done with a live round with a link on it hanging on a paracord, even though it's not allowed). That assures continuous fire with preloads at your own free time. When you run out of the loose belts you switch to the spare sacks in the backpack (two of 125). That's a more substantial reload because you need to take the backpack off and change the sack. So I don't know how people function with continuous belts...
1. Will you do more in-depth episode about German g43 rifle?
2. Did Steyr m95 action was further developed after WW1? Especially as a step towards semi-auto rifle or light machine gun.
3. Were there any WW1 conversion of Steyr m95 in to light machine gun? Something like with the Ross rifle?
4. Did German continue development of 6mm cartridge after it was abandoned in favor of 8mm spritzer?
5. Did UK worked on semi auto rifles on its own before ww2? From what I know it looks like they evaluated number of rifles (primarily made by US designers) but I did not heard anything about in-house development of semi-auto rifle.
One or two minor quibbles on rims. The Springfield 1903's original chambering, the.30-03 cartridge, could be considered a .30-40 rimless improved. It launched the same 220 grain round nose bullet the Krag did faster with a rimless case more suited to magazine feeding. Rims are of no consequence to belt fed guns.
The Merwin-Hulbert you mention (as opposed to earlier models) might have the slight edge over the S&W by having a top strap, too, though perhaps for the loads available at the time that might not have been that big of an issue for all I know. But I agree, the M-H were very cool looking revolvers.
I was a US Army M-60 gunner in the 80s (Hey Adams you're a big burly guy here's the pig! (regardless of me being left-handed x_x)), and yes we were made to clean up the links when on the range, we didn't have to turn them in but dispose of them in the trash barrel. We didn't mind, laying down prone on a few forgotten links in the El Paso desert summer heat, makes you appreciate keeping the range squared away rather quickly.
Shawn Adams what would have happened if you lost the spare barrel and t&e mechinism? I found a very rusted M60 barrel with a 88 date and t&e mechinism in the El Paso desert. Thought I found a old bag of tools at first LOL
Brasstard 7.62 You ever heard of an article 15 ? I‘m pretty sure that is the least punishment that the unlucky person ended up dealing with.
Shawn Adams thanks that's the most precise answer I've gotten.And thanks for leaving all that brass out there too.
But where's the pipe and hat...?
is that a wee curl of smoke I see drifting out of Ian's left hand pocket???
he puts the pipe in his pocket at the beginning
Gandalf!
You don't wear a hat indoors peasant!
You only wear a hat indoors if you are under arms.
i like your bookends
I do love your bookends. I hope you sort your books by ammunition type to match.
Ian, did you bought the smoking jacket with the patreon money and that's why you always wear it in the q&a videos? You look lovely in it by the way...!
Actually, my mother made it for me. :)
Forgotten Weapons man that’s pretty cool!
That is very awesome, both your Mom making it and you showing it off on your show! I wish I could smoke my pipes or cigars in the house, but my wife would probably throw me off the balcony :-P
She got some skills!
I used to own a S African sub machine gun in 9 mm. It was called the “Kommando “. It was a straight blow back virtually identical to the Uzi, very easily maintained too. Problem is I’ve never seen one again.. and I had gone and sold mine.!
You’ve probably seen it, but Ian has a video on one of those
Here's not necessarily a forgotten, but unusual, weapon. A straight pull rifle from Blaser (the R8 or R93). You had a question of straight pulls, but they use a collider locking system, which is definitely something different and interesting.
I would want to make the comparison between the CMMG Guard and the Thompson machine gun, the are both essentially relying on friction between to metal surfaces.
Excited for that 6mm lee video!
Ian : “Does 5.56 need replacing.... no”
U.S. military : “Ur wrong kid”
Think you can reload that S&W on a horse; standing ,walking, or at the trot?
I remember with the British gpmg the belts come in thirty round disintegrating link. So we had to join them together. If your firing a sustained fire lmg like the fn mag, you're going to be very busy, plus it kills your fingers because you can't join them effectively with gloves on. Massive pain in the arse. I remember being shouted at quite often. GET LINKING. I'll never forget that. I could not do it fasy enough
You had me at awe the moment this video started....
Yes, old bolt actions need a turn. But there are modern bolt actions that don't need that, for example the Blaser R8. It is very popular in Germany as a hunting rifle, especially for driven hunts where you may need to fire fast more than 3 shots since semi autos are limited to 2 + 1 bullets. It is mechanically a very interesting system.
Awesome video. Thank you
Privi Partisan- rare and difficult to find ammo, plus a damn good bookend.
If I had bought a gun and they delivered it later than specified in the contract AND it wasn't configured as I had requested I'd buy from somewhere else, too. Basically the French weren't desperate enough to use Remington again.
The coolest gift gun was my High Standard Sport King when I was 9... maybe a tad young but I shot zillions of rounds through that gun. They were relatively cheap at the time.
Very cool - thanks Ian!
Love the robe bit. You should be sitting in front of a fireplace, wearing an ascot and a Fez while smoking a hukah!......and a monocle.
For South African Forgotten Weapons, please do a segment on the LEW Vektor Z88 9mm Pistol, Vektor H5 Pump Action .223 Rem and the Griffon M1911A1 Combat in .45ACP. All great Guns from the 80's & 90's.
Pretty sure the straight trigger is an old holdover from the days of settriggers, as set triggers were curved and the trigger was straight . So not to confuse people at the switch to "modern"...powder and carterage format
That last system suits good strip clip system.
Ian, you really need to have Jean-Joseph Mouret's "Rondeau" playing in the background during the introduction to your Q&A features.
Another factor regarding 7.62 NATO is terrain. The Argentina topography includes wide open plains and several other regions share those considerations. Turkish Anatolia and Afghanistan come to mind. The range advantage of full size rifle cartridges matter there.
How can I not like this more than once?!?!?!?
One of the reasons why the Turkish Army sticks with 7.62x51 NATO is that it's a mountainous country and the engagements take place at a longer range than usual and there isn't much urban combat. Units specialized in urban combat carry 5.56 weapons such as HK33.
interesting about the trigger thing and upgrade packs. i wonder what gun was upgraded like this the most
I see that Webley WG model there, and now I wait for it to have it's own video
Love these videos, thank you.
A local gunshop has an Enfield MK 2 for sale that has been, uh, refinished with what looks like stove paint. If the dealer wasn't asking so much I would rescue it.
Indeed, the military reuses everything while training. We police up spent brass and links, reusing the links, and in addition to keeping the range beautiful and grassy, I suspect the brass is reloaded.
GruntBurger in the US the brass is sold on the surplus market most is to be melted down. I don’t really know what happens to the links though. I suspect the same thing. I know we’d save a belt of like 25 to practice reload drills on our 240s. But it also depends on what type of range we were doing and what ammo we were using. With blanks in our training areas we just gave the spent blanks and links back to the earth ie just left them where they fell. On actual ranges we would police up the brass and links with the expectation of 90% collection.
We would often save and reuse the links in a range environment, probably because it's logistically easier to draw the same type of ammo and make your privates manually load links... but yeah, we'd toss them as often as we'd collect them.
In my time in the British army the brass was sent for scrap. Although this was several years ago
We'd end up taking all the range brass and links to DRMO to be sold as scrap. Other than the marksmanship teams, I don't recall anyone in the military reloading brass.
All I know is delinking is just as fun as linking ammo by hand. I bought 1000 rounds of (I believe) Chinese 308 that oh joy came on M13 link. It’s been fun, please pray for my fingers
I think is possible for Argentina choice maters 7.62 is better than 5.56 in arctic conditions in heavy weather or in mountain condition?