Right, same. Almost same. I want to say I appreciate the clear concise explanation but I can’t. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Have you ever eaten something so disgusting it just hangs over you, like the spirit that attached itself to me. I lament its existence. This video being recommended to me is the UA-cam version of a spirit attachment. Challenge arises, then evades the challenge, forming a problem, which alters behavior prioritizing selected method of engagement with the challenge,….man, it just threw me off my groove. Remember, ignoring the dragon makes it grow.
Excellent video and explanation - and I agree with the comment that this is so much better than a CGI effect. 2001 was created by an incredibly talented and imaginative team of people with the incomparable Kubrick at the helm. Without doubt my favourite film.
This was the 1 "live effect" in the film could never work out. Then I heard the answer via the DVD commentary. Couldn't believe it! So Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou for making this to show it in action. Genius!
Great demonstration. Awesome model and it would have been an awesome set for those actors to work on. The human eye is pretty good at detecting fake CGI as well, that's what makes these older films so special, what you see is really there, and really believable.
I actually had to go back because the transition on the camera footage at the end was so seamless! I was thinking, wait when did he start the other part spinning?? Great stuff!
You nailed it completely. I was imagining some more complex gearing, but the differential neatly solves the problem of seamlessly transferring the drive from one cylinder to the other.
@newspaniard Strangely enough, no, I designed it in my head, and it more or less worked as expected. The only mistake was the mounting position for the video camera which needed two rethinks, especially when I decided to use my other camera. There was also a minor adjustment to get the two tubes as close together as possible to minimise the light coming in.
Very well done - I had actually never thought about how they produced that scene; such an iconic one too. Very interesting to watch how you did it, I'm sure you've hit on how the original was filmed too. Just as an aside, I'm watching your clip on 02/04/2023 which according to the Wiki P is the day 2001 premiered in 1968. Loved the video, thanks!
I always figured this shot was done *something* like this. What *AMAZES* me is how they transitioned from one segment rotating to the other with *ABSOLUTELY NO VISIBLE 'JUMP'* of any kind....
It is an excellent film and has hardly dated. Additionally when David Bowman walks towards Frank Poole in the circular interior, Frank Poole is strapped into his seat.
This is very very good! I wondered how that scene was done. The other great visual effect is when Frank is jogging in the circular interior. It was more or less the same illusions. The entire circular interior was built and rotated so Gary Lookwood actually jogged in place with the ground moving underneath him. In one shot, the camera is simply behind him at a constant distance. In another shot, the camera is mounted with the circular rotating interior but it's aim is on Frank as he "runs"
If you watch the film closely you'll notice that both Frank and Dave step onto the rotating portion at exactly the same time. This of course was necessary, otherwise if only one of the two stepped onto the second portion the other would be stuck rotating until he became upside down ... and would then fall. Also notice that they need to step onto the platform precisely where the hatch is located.
I had to subscribe, not just because I love 2001 (and Meccano) but you had 999 subs! So I am your thousandth customer, and I would like to claim my lifetime supply of Meccano (!)
Just the other day, some mechanical engineer on Reddit was insisting that frames must have been removed because you can't stop and start a mass spinning instantaneously. And while this makes sense, it is clear that no frames are missing. The differential is the key here! I'm kind of surprised a mechanical engineer couldn't have thought of that.
Just for all the work I guess it took to build such impressive device this video deserves a lot of more likes. If I'm not wrong the real one they used for the movie was built by Vickers-Armstrong. A very good explanation and in fact an awesome result. I had no other option but to subscribe to your channel . I am anxious to check what other surprises we can find there... Thanks for sharing this video.
Great video! It would be so amazing to see the actual set used for this in the movie to compare to yours. I remember the Lionel Richie video in the 80's where they rotate the room with the camera fixed to create the illusion of "dancing on the ceiling" . So much more satisfying seeing clever, non CGI, ways to create effects.
Well done Brian Meccano Leach. I'd thought for some years this is how they must have done this sequence, and your model has just about proven it to me at least.
There is a web page somewhere (I can't remember exactly where) which says this is the way it was done. The author was one of the people working on it. All it didn't say was whether there was one motor through a differential or two separate motors.
Timing for the actors would be very important. Both men would have to be out of the long tube and in the section where the hatch is before the long tube begins turning and hatch section stops turning.
+mipmipmipmipmip The model shown in this video is pretty cool. Looks like it was made with an erector set. In the movie, there are two people going through the tube to reach the area where the hatch is located. There's a clip that shows how the shot was stabilized with the actual actors playing the roles of Dave Bowman and Frank Poole. Brian's model view shows a single character. In the movie, both characters step out of the tube and into the hatch section at nearly the exact same time, otherwise the effect would be unconvincing. Check out the link and you'll see what I mean. I don't know if anyone did a countdown, but the actors certainly knew where the hatch was located and where to step across to it. Once both are by the hatch, the hatch section is stationary and the long tube begins rotating. You'll see one actor waits for the other to be side-by-side so they could both step across at nearly the same time. 2001 is an old movie, but it's still excellent as ever with top notch innovative special effects. ua-cam.com/video/-RGGK2uyJOw/v-deo.html
Clearly you put some effort into this. Clever use of the differential for a seamless transition of motion. Is it just me or did it turn the other way in the film? Oh well, no matter. Good job on this.
Man, that's great! You should have your own TV show (eg- the Secret Life of Machines- one of my all time favs). This is really interesting. Thanks for posting it.
Bravo! Nice model. I always understood the effect, but had a hard spot with the transition. the actors move through the transition flawlessly. Now I can see it was 'easy' for them. I would have Loved to build a big, practical, moving Kubrick set!!
There's a deleted scene in 2001, where David Bowman is in a rotating lifeboat and the colour changes from orange to bright red. P.S. If you are reading this and are not 'sonic construction' this is an in joke.
With that much time and bolts you coulda built your own space rocket! I am kidding, interesting and very cool to see. Thanks for sharing. I bought a tattoo design course buy Guy Aitchison and he showed how to build diaramas and light them with absolutely magical lighting just using a few basic rules of composition and keeping your contrast between textures and colors, light and dark. He was building biomechanical contraptions much like HR Gieger but building em around a lightbulb where the light became a central vanishing point. You should all look up his courses and ignore the tattoo part, just look at the clay and chicken wire prop building and lighting, and design theories, the guy is a revolutionary. He changed tattooing forever.
I've seen the movie several times and never noticed that Frank and David are able to walk on the floor in the shuttle bay, as if there's gravity there. I can't understand why, other than the movie producers couldn't afford to make the actors float when outside the rotating living quarters and hope no one noticed.
You’ve already seen the solution to this in the earlier Floyd section of the film - ‘Grip Shoes’, similar to what the Pan Am stewardess wears in the shuttle ascending to orbit.
@@Xanthe_Cat They guys seem to walk much easier than the stewardesses do in them, and it doesn't explain why items also don't "float" around. I just still think the filmmakers couldn't figure out how to make a "no gravity" environment outside of the rotating living quarters, so they just let this slide in the hopes no one would notice. But regardless, it's still a great movie that requires a bit of "suspend disbelief" by the viewer -- as does most films.
That is a purely subjective opinion. I doubt you would be choosing practical over CGI when it comes to the Hulk or the Na'vi. But I agree, in that achieving a 'impossible' effect without the aid of extensive CGI is rather exciting. Such as the lobby scene in Inception. (Inspired technically-wise by non-other than 2001:SO)
Lovely! And no wasteful modern hype junk, with credits and music and obnoxious fast cutting and reading a bad script and "Like, comment, and subscribe".
I do not. I couldn't find anything on the internet. I would guess it was because the speed is so constant. Two motors, one slowing down, the other speeding up would be difficult to be accurate.
@geeque10101 Might happen in some manner, through my Meccano club, there are occasional contacts on filming, or whether a model could appear in a TV show.
Though I did think it was as shown , even though I'd never " seen" an explanation - & it must be the way it was done , ( nice work ! ) the only question that constantly remains in my head is ..that it's easy in a small model because of the low mass of each section , for one sections instantaneous stop & the other an equally instant start ..but it would be much harder with a heavy set & two actors with inertia to be contended with , wouldn't there always be that a micro moment of visual hesitation....that would jar to the eye & mind , plus ...wouldn't the actors ALWAYS react to that sudden change of speed /direction from sudden stop to the sudden motion?....
I'm not sure, but would assume the actual effect had two motors, one for each section. When the transition occurs one slows down while the other speeds up. The actors could afford to be slightly off balance and is probably why they grip the ceiling in the actual effect. Stanley Kubrick would have retaken the scene until it was perfect.
I think the answer is it didn't stop instantly, but as the near end slowed down, the far end speeded up at the same rate. So for a short while they are not horizontal. Its probably why they've got their hands on the ceiling to keep balance.
No idea why UA-cam randomly recommended this video 11 years after the fact, but I appreciate the clear and concise explanation and demonstration.
me too! 🤣
Same
Right, same. Almost same. I want to say I appreciate the clear concise explanation but I can’t. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Have you ever eaten something so disgusting it just hangs over you, like the spirit that attached itself to me. I lament its existence. This video being recommended to me is the UA-cam version of a spirit attachment. Challenge arises, then evades the challenge, forming a problem, which alters behavior prioritizing selected method of engagement with the challenge,….man, it just threw me off my groove. Remember, ignoring the dragon makes it grow.
@@corinnemuir1542 Ok.
I had no idea the actors were attached to a long metal rod that just pulled them along. Kubric was a genius!
😂😂😂
Excellent video and explanation - and I agree with the comment that this is so much better than a CGI effect. 2001 was created by an incredibly talented and imaginative team of people with the incomparable Kubrick at the helm. Without doubt my favourite film.
+Tam Neal It's my favourite sci-fi film.
The pen scene was so cool and to find out how simple it was to do is just crazy.
There was no such thing as CG in 1968 so of course these folks had to figure out how to do an incredibly complex practical effect.
This was the 1 "live effect" in the film could never work out. Then I heard the answer via the DVD commentary. Couldn't believe it! So Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou for making this to show it in action. Genius!
Just as seamless as the movie. Great demonstration!
Great demonstration. Awesome model and it would have been an awesome set for those actors to work on. The human eye is pretty good at detecting fake CGI as well, that's what makes these older films so special, what you see is really there, and really believable.
I agree totally.
How they did the shot is very well known. To see it in action from the outside in miniature is eye-opening to the actuality of it. Thank you!
I actually had to go back because the transition on the camera footage at the end was so seamless! I was thinking, wait when did he start the other part spinning?? Great stuff!
You nailed it completely. I was imagining some more complex gearing, but the differential neatly solves the problem of seamlessly transferring the drive from one cylinder to the other.
Wow, UA-cam randomly recommended this video 11 years after the fact, but I too appreciate the clear and concise explanation and demonstration!
@newspaniard Strangely enough, no, I designed it in my head, and it more or less worked as expected. The only mistake was the mounting position for the video camera which needed two rethinks, especially when I decided to use my other camera. There was also a minor adjustment to get the two tubes as close together as possible to minimise the light coming in.
Very well done - I had actually never thought about how they produced that scene; such an iconic one too. Very interesting to watch how you did it, I'm sure you've hit on how the original was filmed too. Just as an aside, I'm watching your clip on 02/04/2023 which according to the Wiki P is the day 2001 premiered in 1968. Loved the video, thanks!
A perfect display of how it worked!
I always figured this shot was done *something* like this.
What *AMAZES* me is how they transitioned from one segment rotating to the other with *ABSOLUTELY NO VISIBLE 'JUMP'* of any kind....
open the trap door, Hal.
I went to see this film on first release in 1969, it became my favourite film.
Thank you for the video. Very well explained.
Top video. All parts shown and then the final effect. Perfect!
Interesting use of Meccano!
I salute your geekiness :)
11 years and UA-cam sends me to this video.. It either knows me way to well or is running out of stuff to show me. Either way, great video!
It is an excellent film and has hardly dated. Additionally when David Bowman walks towards Frank Poole in the circular interior, Frank Poole is strapped into his seat.
This is very very good! I wondered how that scene was done. The other great visual effect is when Frank is jogging in the circular interior. It was more or less the same illusions. The entire circular interior was built and rotated so Gary Lookwood actually jogged in place with the ground moving underneath him. In one shot, the camera is simply behind him at a constant distance. In another shot, the camera is mounted with the circular rotating interior but it's aim is on Frank as he "runs"
Fantastic video. This is a great build. 2001 is one of my favorite movies. Very well done.
Wow, that's fantastic. Both the original effect, and your wonderful seamless recreation. Well done.
If you watch the film closely you'll notice that both Frank and Dave step onto the rotating portion at exactly the same time. This of course was necessary, otherwise if only one of the two stepped onto the second portion the other would be stuck rotating until he became upside down ... and would then fall. Also notice that they need to step onto the platform precisely where the hatch is located.
Thank you for going to the trouble of creating this to explain how it was done.
I had to subscribe, not just because I love 2001 (and Meccano) but you had 999 subs!
So I am your thousandth customer, and I would like to claim my lifetime supply of Meccano (!)
Just the other day, some mechanical engineer on Reddit was insisting that frames must have been removed because you can't stop and start a mass spinning instantaneously. And while this makes sense, it is clear that no frames are missing. The differential is the key here! I'm kind of surprised a mechanical engineer couldn't have thought of that.
What an excellent job you did with this.
Absolutely stunning how the practical effects make CGI seem cheap. This is true movie magic
Have not seen a Meccano build for 40 years!!! Bravo!
A very neat explanation, glad to see that YT algorithm made m to your video. Thanks!
Just for all the work I guess it took to build such impressive device this video deserves a lot of more likes. If I'm not wrong the real one they used for the movie was built by Vickers-Armstrong. A very good explanation and in fact an awesome result. I had no other option but to subscribe to your channel . I am anxious to check what other surprises we can find there... Thanks for sharing this video.
Fantastic job, and great engineering with the differential. Bravo!
Excellent! Well done Brian.
Great video! It would be so amazing to see the actual set used for this in the movie to compare to yours. I remember the Lionel Richie video in the 80's where they rotate the room with the camera fixed to create the illusion of "dancing on the ceiling" . So much more satisfying seeing clever, non CGI, ways to create effects.
Great demonstration! I guess Douglas Trumbull must have designed this set up for 2001.
Nice work. That was a lot of time building. Very cool.
That. Is. Awesome.
Always a joy to watch this thank you, but I wonder, is anyone else watching this whilst waiting for toast on the ISS?
Well done Brian Meccano Leach. I'd thought for some years this is how they must have done this sequence, and your model has just about proven it to me at least.
There is a web page somewhere (I can't remember exactly where) which says this is the way it was done. The author was one of the people working on it. All it didn't say was whether there was one motor through a differential or two separate motors.
The thing I notice is it's like at the switch the two ends ends start and stop instantaneously. I don't see any jumps caused by accelerations.
I like that the man is made of Meccano as well. Nice touch.
Who's watching in 2023! This never gets old!
Volume much too low compared to other ads and videos. Not worth watching to me.
Timing for the actors would be very important. Both men would have to be out of the long tube and in the section where the hatch is before the long tube begins turning and hatch section stops turning.
+mipmipmipmipmip The model shown in this video is pretty cool. Looks like it was made with an erector set. In the movie, there are two people going through the tube to reach the area where the hatch is located. There's a clip that shows how the shot was stabilized with the actual actors playing the roles of Dave Bowman and Frank Poole. Brian's model view shows a single character. In the movie, both characters step out of the tube and into the hatch section at nearly the exact same time, otherwise the effect would be unconvincing. Check out the link and you'll see what I mean.
I don't know if anyone did a countdown, but the actors certainly knew where the hatch was located and where to step across to it. Once both are by the hatch, the hatch section is stationary and the long tube begins rotating. You'll see one actor waits for the other to be side-by-side so they could both step across at nearly the same time. 2001 is an old movie, but it's still excellent as ever with top notch innovative special effects.
ua-cam.com/video/-RGGK2uyJOw/v-deo.html
If u watch u see keir wait for a second for gary to join him.
I remember when I saw it first time in movie and tried to figure out how its made. This is very good demonstration!
Clearly you put some effort into this. Clever use of the differential for a seamless transition of motion. Is it just me or did it turn the other way in the film? Oh well, no matter. Good job on this.
That scene always made me dizzy. “In space, no one can hear you puke.”
Maybe not, but it *_does_* make one hell of a mess inside your visor.
Brilliant video man. This is the kind of video that gets a like ;)
Fascinating explanation of a brilliant effect
Brilliant! The film was pretty good too 😊
Man, that's great! You should have your own TV show (eg- the Secret Life of Machines- one of my all time favs). This is really interesting. Thanks for posting it.
Secret Life of Machines was ace! Especially the stuff they would make for the end credits!
And later used in Inception to great effect. As said, you just can't beat a live performance
It's like demonstrating a magician's slight of hand trick; Brilliant special effect trick.. best of all, not done with any CGI!
Bravo! Nice model. I always understood the effect, but had a hard spot with the transition. the actors move through the transition flawlessly. Now I can see it was 'easy' for them. I would have Loved to build a big, practical, moving Kubrick set!!
Move aside, and let the man go through....
Too fat, fat you must cut lean.
You gotta take the spinny ladder to the mezzanine, chump!
The need to make a 2001 Special Edition Erector Set!
Amazing. Congratulations.
"MECCANO" and "2001". Two reasons to live
This is pretty cool, good work (:)
Thank you Mr. Sonic Construction. It filled a basic requirement.
I particularly enjoyed it when the camera inverted
There's a deleted scene in 2001, where David Bowman is in a rotating lifeboat and the colour changes from orange to bright red. P.S. If you are reading this and are not 'sonic construction' this is an in joke.
i had no idea meccano was like this, i wish i had this instead of lego
I bet the original Studio mechanism made all sorts of noises too!
3:13 - This looks more like a scene from Event Horizon than 2001
Yes, 11 years old and UA-cam recommends this now!? I hope Brian sees this comment because I want to congratulate him on this video.
With that much time and bolts you coulda built your own space rocket! I am kidding, interesting and very cool to see. Thanks for sharing. I bought a tattoo design course buy Guy Aitchison and he showed how to build diaramas and light them with absolutely magical lighting just using a few basic rules of composition and keeping your contrast between textures and colors, light and dark. He was building biomechanical contraptions much like HR Gieger but building em around a lightbulb where the light became a central vanishing point. You should all look up his courses and ignore the tattoo part, just look at the clay and chicken wire prop building and lighting, and design theories, the guy is a revolutionary. He changed tattooing forever.
Nicely done sir! 🏆
It was cheaper to build this set than to try and simulate freefall with wires, and ultimately more convincing as well.
I've seen the movie several times and never noticed that Frank and David are able to walk on the floor in the shuttle bay, as if there's gravity there. I can't understand why, other than the movie producers couldn't afford to make the actors float when outside the rotating living quarters and hope no one noticed.
You’ve already seen the solution to this in the earlier Floyd section of the film - ‘Grip Shoes’, similar to what the Pan Am stewardess wears in the shuttle ascending to orbit.
@@Xanthe_Cat They guys seem to walk much easier than the stewardesses do in them, and it doesn't explain why items also don't "float" around. I just still think the filmmakers couldn't figure out how to make a "no gravity" environment outside of the rotating living quarters, so they just let this slide in the hopes no one would notice. But regardless, it's still a great movie that requires a bit of "suspend disbelief" by the viewer -- as does most films.
The “grip shoes” are just a prop. It’s quite plain there’s more holding them to the floor than velcro.
Bravo! Great job
Outstanding!
My Dad said his Dad had Meccano when he was younger. So it's been around ages!
It all started in 1901. I had my first set in about 1972.
Great explanation--thanks!!
GREAT JOB!!
That is a purely subjective opinion. I doubt you would be choosing practical over CGI when it comes to the Hulk or the Na'vi.
But I agree, in that achieving a 'impossible' effect without the aid of extensive CGI is rather exciting. Such as the lobby scene in Inception. (Inspired technically-wise by non-other than 2001:SO)
Gee, How did Keir and Gary fit inside those tubes? 🤗
Great job! Beats boring CGI any day.
Lovely! And no wasteful modern hype junk, with credits and music and obnoxious fast cutting and reading a bad script and "Like, comment, and subscribe".
Move aside, and let the man go through, let the man go through.
Great Video, Great Job !
20 seconds of ads for a 3 minute video ? Really ?
Great stuff
Nice job! Not easy to get that transition smotth in the full scale model. Do you know if Kubrik actually employed a differential?
I do not. I couldn't find anything on the internet. I would guess it was because the speed is so constant. Two motors, one slowing down, the other speeding up would be difficult to be accurate.
Brilliant!
That was brilliant!
wow it looks so cool
Yay!!! That's fantastic.
@geeque10101 Might happen in some manner, through my Meccano club, there are occasional contacts on filming, or whether a model could appear in a TV show.
Awesome!
That’s awesome!
Fantastic with much durismo!
Wow. Phenomenal.
Though I did think it was as shown , even though I'd never " seen" an explanation - & it must be the way it was done , ( nice work ! ) the only question that constantly remains in my head is ..that it's easy in a small model because of the low mass of each section , for one sections instantaneous stop & the other an equally instant start ..but it would be much harder with a heavy set & two actors with inertia to be contended with , wouldn't there always be that a micro moment of visual hesitation....that would jar to the eye & mind , plus ...wouldn't the actors ALWAYS react to that sudden change of speed /direction from sudden stop to the sudden motion?....
I'm not sure, but would assume the actual effect had two motors, one for each section. When the transition occurs one slows down while the other speeds up. The actors could afford to be slightly off balance and is probably why they grip the ceiling in the actual effect. Stanley Kubrick would have retaken the scene until it was perfect.
Treborus .x
... and the engineering that went into those props was top shelf. And very expensive. And over a year of construction.
I think the answer is it didn't stop instantly, but as the near end slowed down, the far end speeded up at the same rate. So for a short while they are not horizontal. Its probably why they've got their hands on the ceiling to keep balance.
I never saw Hulk, probably because of the mind-numbing cgi. It has it's place for sure, but it's rarely done with enough restraint in my opinion.
very cool
Nailed it!
Seems less 2001 and more Event Horizon.
2023 here 👍🏻
Kubrick was a great engineer
Nice one
Not enough rivets.