For SERIOUS Marksman ONLY | Old School Ranging Methods & Considerations W/
Вставка
- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- In this Episode Eric, Nick & Adrian from @SIDEWINDERCONCEPTS discuss the ranging equipment and considerations when trying to work out TGT size and distance for your TGT Solution. This video will give you knowledge on how to utilize your mil reticle to get your range, and Adrian also talks about some ways you can use modern equipment to make your a life a little easier. Dive into this video with Eric & Adrian and learn some new skills that you can utilize for your next distant engagement.
WAYS TO SUPPORT OUR WORK
If you want to see what parts and accessories Eric uses for his builds check out out build list on our website, as well as get access to DISCOUNT CODES to save yourself some money on your next build or prep.
BARREL & HATCHET WEAPON BUILD LIST
barrelandhatch...
Come Train with us and check out the 2024 Course schedule below
INVEST IN YOURSELF & TRAIN WITH US:
barrelandhatch...
CHECK OUT OUR AMAZON SHOPPING LIST FOR GOOD DEALS & RANDOM FINDS FOR PREPAREDNESS
amzn.to/4gSH95G
Check out the HATCHET CAST PODCAST on Spotify
podcasters.spo...
Instagram: BARRELANDHATCHETTG
X: BARRELHATCHET
Glad you all are alive and well we need good folks like you all around
Hope you all are safe down in Florida. Been praying for ya'll!
I LOVE listening to your longer length talks
So I’ve been chasing this monkey for over 3 decades now, SOTIC MTT-trained, 3 different Recon Platoons/Sniper Sections, have worked a lot with European Snipers particularly in Finland, and was really bewildered at how stupid we are with our Mil relation formula in the US once I saw theirs. It’s so simple you will kick yourself and never use the math at 32:20 ever again. You simply measure TGT in mm, divide by Mils, and there’s your range in meters. I showed this to other Sniper Instructors in the US, who then taught it to guys before going to Sniper School, and those kids are winning Class Honor grad, scoring the best in the Range Determination stages, just doing really well overall (they get taught everything else as well).
Get used to measuring sils width, not height, since most Targets’ feet are covered up or not visible a lot of the time.
450mm TGT (avg shoulder width)/ 1 Mil wide in the reticle = 450m
450mm TGT/ .5 Mil = 900m
When in-theater or the AOR, use a tape measure for all your references in mm and the math is stupid simple, unlike the US conversion to inches.
For yard, make a chart with decimal yards or just do the basic math.
18” TGT = .5 yds or 500
500/1 mil = 500yds
500/2 mil = 250yds
500/1.2 mils = 417yds
500/1.3 = 385yds
etc. You start to see how slow the US Military Mil relation formula is. The above method is more precise than the 27.7 conversion factor as well, as you would need to use 27.7777 instead. Much easier to convert fractions into decimals, drop the decimal and make 18” = 500 (half a yard), 24” = 750 (3/4 of a yard), 12” = 333 (1/3 yard).
This makes a lot of sense to me
@@Runs_Wit_Scissors It just works. Some of the Finns made elevation turret decals that wrap around the turret knob with built-in ranging features, so if you see a man-sized TGT and mil him, you just dial to the indicated mil reading on the turret decal and you're on for elevation. FinnAccuracy had their own reticle built for them after years of using S&B PMIIs and wanting some improvements. Very good reticle for super-fine increments and range estimation.
You can also use a longer zero with holds or a BDC reticle that work well within certain conditions. My brother did that with his partner at Fort Benning Sniper School and smoked all the graded record fire stages together, while others struggled.
The only way I train my friends and my sons to range is with mills. We verify with a range finder for training purposes only. I simply do not trust that opfor (no comment on who that might be) couldn’t detect people shooting lasers at them.
I MacGyver’d a detector I could setup in camp that detects multiple different types of lasers, including handheld commercial rangefinders. If I could do it, I know others could as well. People will be in for a big surprise if they start leasing targets. It’s the same mindset that causes goobers to only rely on active aiming under nods.
Good info here guys. Very happy to see you cover that issue here.
Israelis learned that the hard way in Lebanon in their last incursion there, got a Milan anti-tank missile dropped on them in an urban hide when they were building out their sector sketch. US LRFs operate off the spectrum that COTS Night Vision cameras and NODs use to counter this, so there is a signature management game of cat & mouse at-play for sure. You effectively can only accurately range estimate with Mil relation out to about 450 on man-sized TGTs, so you need bigger reference points to range if you’re going past that.
@@LRRPFco52 respectfully I disagree about ranging man sized targets only out to about 450. I can and have mill’d out to 950 yards On a man sized silhouette. Numerous times.
At a training session with about 15 or so people quite a few of the guys were able to as well. So I know I’m not special.
For the record. They set up a man sized silhouette and a 6”square target, I did on the second shot and was only off by .5 mill low and 1 mill wind. Only Three us hit the target but most were correct in their range estimation. I also did it with your favorite round out of an AR15.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood I’ll just say that the error probability increases significantly as you move past 450, and I’ve been doing this since 1994 across more range determination/estimation exercises/competiton/real world than I can count, in multiple units across the US, in Korea, Panama, in CENTCOM, and in Europe.
This included a lot of work with coalition Sniper communities who do it a lot. This has been across every type of terrain you can think of. Unless the event is staged in your favor with high-contrast, uniform targets (E-types, Janters, Jasters), it just isn’t happening with real people. Real dudes tend to be partially-exposed anyway, which is why shoulder width is better to work with vs clean, unobstructed E-types and IPSCs.
It was the only method allowed for all the field shooting/UKD stages in FinnSniper and Häyhä Sniper Competitions in FInland I did from 2007-2014. The artificial advantage you have with those is that all the targets are uniform dimension Janters (their E-Types) with 45cm width every time, so if I was ranging from a steady bagged position, I could estimate correctly out to 900m, but that was only because of the artificiality of the competition using those static/reactive TGTs.
Love this information and all the information you put out very helpful 👍
Always appreciate the messages at the end. Thanks brother.
For those who use MRAD and METRIC units. Target size(MM)/ Mils = Distance. (M)
That last 5 minutes of the video was just what I needed bro. God bless you. Fan before, community member now.
Just remember if your ranging with a second focal plane scope it must be on a certain power setting to be accurate. First focal plane it doesn't matter.
Do you have to zero at a certain distance for the BDC to be accurate?
Pretty sure sfp scopes are zeroed at max magnification
@@Khemtimetotally depends on BDC, barrel length and ammunition. You’re usually pretty close if you have a 16in with just about any load zeroed at 100 yards for most BDC’s. But there are exceptions to that rule. Eotech for example uses a 50yd zero but on an SBR the bullets fall faster so you have to tinker
@@KhemtimeLook in the owners manual of your optic and it should tell you the recommended zeros for different weight of your caliber of choice
You do great work with the videos it gives me many considerations
Definitely gonna pick up some of those DMR cards.
The Vortex etched reticle (MRAD or MIL options available) is an attachment that goes on the eyepiece side.
For those who use MOA and METRIC units. (target size (MM)/ MOA)*3.438 = Distance(M)........OR.......(target size(cm)/MOA)*34.38 = Distance(M).
Dammit. Learning new stuff is entertaining to me. Guess I’ll head out.
awesome video
It’s really easy to range with mils. I prefer that.
Mil-Dot Master. It's basically an analog ballistic calculator . No batteries.
Has anyone tried an IR solution for adverse weather component? Outstanding content fellas
In my day we just needed our feet, stick of gum and a smile. -Boomer
Still don't have power in Tampa.
@@N238E Blame Biden and HARP
@@benkenobi7800You’re 30 years late on the HAARP conspiracy.
@@AJohnSmithHow is it late? The power outage is now . Can we not blame it on haarp today?
Do scopes with a BDC need to be zeroed at a specific distance to be accurate?
a BDC is trued to a specific bullet velocity & trajectory at specific atmospheric conditions. Deviate from that and it's not going to be precise. It may still be accurate enough for general combat, but not for precision shooting.
@@dw5523 yea but as long as those factors are what they’re supposed to be does the zero distance matter?
@@Khemtime yes, all BDC's are designed for a specific zero distance too. However, good ballistics software can tell you how the BDC works with difference ammo and zero distances.
@@dw5523 appreciate it
average human torso 18 to 20 inches
Is that the same formula for a moa optic
Question is: direct threaded suppressor or quick detach?!... Which is more accurate?....
I’m fairly sure direct thread is more accurate, at least has a better return to zero, add in a single or dual taper and that will keep it pretty darn accurate/return to zero
@BrassFacts has a few really good videos on this subject
@@Wings_For_The_Weekends i'll check them out
@@Wings_For_The_Weekends ua-cam.com/video/78RNr_DEx0Q/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
This video Is a great way to monetize suppressor brands might as well snap on a freakin suppressor on a 50 cal since they are so bad ass
Military does that, although it is a little impractical seeing as the only situation you would need a 50bmg sniped would be a 15 mile shot 😂
@@Wings_For_The_Weekends they are most effective 1200 meters distance
@@benkenobi7800 that was hyperbole
@@Wings_For_The_Weekends you know it Is relative and not superlative
@@benkenobi7800 I was commenting that my original comment was hyperbole, the 15 mile shot
Competition is useful, its not combat........ I don't care about someone's times in a competition. (For Example) I don't know of to many F-Class or PRS Match Guys that can Stalk. Or even select or get into an effective FFP. Can they build a hide site? Can they run civilian selected and configured coms in order to relay the current shape of the battle space? Without being compromised? I'm not a fan of the rifle mounted range finders. Rifle data, Rifle data, rifle data!
the disclaimer is cheezy bro. anyone serious knows what your talking about already. i'm here to see if your homework has been done
Suppressed = POI shifts
Tapers and direct thread can help with that…
Also, if that suppressor never leaves the gun, and you re-zero the rifle after you clean it/take it off for any reason, it should be fairly okay 👌
I understand how some creators use UA-cam as a source of income but having 9 ads on this video is excessive and honestly it takes away from the message.
Skip forward button go brrrt
I hate to say this but a suppressor decreases penetration i rather use a muzzle break and fire from a distance with as much foliage density as possible always in prowling position for maximum results, if you shoot mid range to short with a suppressed rifle wether It Is Bolt action or semi auto then It Is not difficult to pull off...
Now if you have this add on your long range rifle then we are playing a whole different Ball park; i am talking about hunting with a Digital telemeter/Laser Rangefinder, Slope Compensation, Angle, Flagpole Lock... Lmao you can't miss!
How does a suppressor decrease pen? It’s not like CoD where a suppressor decreases range and damage lol
(Unless it does, educate me if I’m wrong)
WTF, lol
@@Wings_For_The_Weekends makes bullet go slower, supressor increases bullet drag when exiting barrel i dont play call of duty Bro i play rainbow six if anything
@@benkenobi7800 interesting, I looked it up, and yes it could have an impact… but the effect is extremely negligible even for distance shooting
@@Wings_For_The_Weekends now check this out, DARPA has a thing called smart bullet look It Up, ITS really old tech but highly effective
OLD SCHOOL, KNOWING MY COME UPS, KNOWN SIZES DATA REFERANCE IE: (measurements of thing that don't change! Stop Signs, HMMVE Wheels, Standard Door Frames, The size of a "Blue Helmet" 😁ECT......) MIL-DOT RETICLE, MINUTE TURRETS. ON MY M40a1