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  • Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
  • In this Episode Eric, Nick & Adrian from ​⁠‪@SIDEWINDERCONCEPTS‬ discuss the ranging equipment and considerations when trying to work out TGT size and distance for your TGT Solution. This video will give you knowledge on how to utilize your mil reticle to get your range, and Adrian also talks about some ways you can use modern equipment to make your a life a little easier. Dive into this video with Eric & Adrian and learn some new skills that you can utilize for your next distant engagement.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 84

  • @LinearTactics
    @LinearTactics День тому +6

    Glad you all are alive and well we need good folks like you all around

  • @Chonkasaurus
    @Chonkasaurus День тому +14

    Hope you all are safe down in Florida. Been praying for ya'll!

  • @Joseph_Hamilton
    @Joseph_Hamilton 21 годину тому +1

    I LOVE listening to your longer length talks

  • @LRRPFco52
    @LRRPFco52 17 годин тому +4

    So I’ve been chasing this monkey for over 3 decades now, SOTIC MTT-trained, 3 different Recon Platoons/Sniper Sections, have worked a lot with European Snipers particularly in Finland, and was really bewildered at how stupid we are with our Mil relation formula in the US once I saw theirs. It’s so simple you will kick yourself and never use the math at 32:20 ever again. You simply measure TGT in mm, divide by Mils, and there’s your range in meters. I showed this to other Sniper Instructors in the US, who then taught it to guys before going to Sniper School, and those kids are winning Class Honor grad, scoring the best in the Range Determination stages, just doing really well overall (they get taught everything else as well).
    Get used to measuring sils width, not height, since most Targets’ feet are covered up or not visible a lot of the time.
    450mm TGT (avg shoulder width)/ 1 Mil wide in the reticle = 450m
    450mm TGT/ .5 Mil = 900m
    When in-theater or the AOR, use a tape measure for all your references in mm and the math is stupid simple, unlike the US conversion to inches.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 17 годин тому +1

      For yard, make a chart with decimal yards or just do the basic math.
      18” TGT = .5 yds or 500
      500/1 mil = 500yds
      500/2 mil = 250yds
      500/1.2 mils = 417yds
      500/1.3 = 385yds
      etc. You start to see how slow the US Military Mil relation formula is. The above method is more precise than the 27.7 conversion factor as well, as you would need to use 27.7777 instead. Much easier to convert fractions into decimals, drop the decimal and make 18” = 500 (half a yard), 24” = 750 (3/4 of a yard), 12” = 333 (1/3 yard).

    • @Runs_Wit_Scissors
      @Runs_Wit_Scissors 9 годин тому

      This makes a lot of sense to me

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 6 годин тому

      @@Runs_Wit_Scissors It just works. Some of the Finns made elevation turret decals that wrap around the turret knob with built-in ranging features, so if you see a man-sized TGT and mil him, you just dial to the indicated mil reading on the turret decal and you're on for elevation. FinnAccuracy had their own reticle built for them after years of using S&B PMIIs and wanting some improvements. Very good reticle for super-fine increments and range estimation.
      You can also use a longer zero with holds or a BDC reticle that work well within certain conditions. My brother did that with his partner at Fort Benning Sniper School and smoked all the graded record fire stages together, while others struggled.

  • @Heywoodthepeckerwood
    @Heywoodthepeckerwood День тому +3

    The only way I train my friends and my sons to range is with mills. We verify with a range finder for training purposes only. I simply do not trust that opfor (no comment on who that might be) couldn’t detect people shooting lasers at them.
    I MacGyver’d a detector I could setup in camp that detects multiple different types of lasers, including handheld commercial rangefinders. If I could do it, I know others could as well. People will be in for a big surprise if they start leasing targets. It’s the same mindset that causes goobers to only rely on active aiming under nods.
    Good info here guys. Very happy to see you cover that issue here.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 17 годин тому +1

      Israelis learned that the hard way in Lebanon in their last incursion there, got a Milan anti-tank missile dropped on them in an urban hide when they were building out their sector sketch. US LRFs operate off the spectrum that COTS Night Vision cameras and NODs use to counter this, so there is a signature management game of cat & mouse at-play for sure. You effectively can only accurately range estimate with Mil relation out to about 450 on man-sized TGTs, so you need bigger reference points to range if you’re going past that.

    • @Heywoodthepeckerwood
      @Heywoodthepeckerwood 14 годин тому +1

      @@LRRPFco52 respectfully I disagree about ranging man sized targets only out to about 450. I can and have mill’d out to 950 yards On a man sized silhouette. Numerous times.
      At a training session with about 15 or so people quite a few of the guys were able to as well. So I know I’m not special.
      For the record. They set up a man sized silhouette and a 6”square target, I did on the second shot and was only off by .5 mill low and 1 mill wind. Only Three us hit the target but most were correct in their range estimation. I also did it with your favorite round out of an AR15.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 12 годин тому +2

      @@Heywoodthepeckerwood I’ll just say that the error probability increases significantly as you move past 450, and I’ve been doing this since 1994 across more range determination/estimation exercises/competiton/real world than I can count, in multiple units across the US, in Korea, Panama, in CENTCOM, and in Europe.
      This included a lot of work with coalition Sniper communities who do it a lot. This has been across every type of terrain you can think of. Unless the event is staged in your favor with high-contrast, uniform targets (E-types, Janters, Jasters), it just isn’t happening with real people. Real dudes tend to be partially-exposed anyway, which is why shoulder width is better to work with vs clean, unobstructed E-types and IPSCs.
      It was the only method allowed for all the field shooting/UKD stages in FinnSniper and Häyhä Sniper Competitions in FInland I did from 2007-2014. The artificial advantage you have with those is that all the targets are uniform dimension Janters (their E-Types) with 45cm width every time, so if I was ranging from a steady bagged position, I could estimate correctly out to 900m, but that was only because of the artificiality of the competition using those static/reactive TGTs.

  • @ChrisNipper
    @ChrisNipper День тому +1

    Love this information and all the information you put out very helpful 👍

  • @adrianmaldonado8409
    @adrianmaldonado8409 17 годин тому

    Always appreciate the messages at the end. Thanks brother.

  • @squirrel_1315
    @squirrel_1315 День тому +2

    For those who use MRAD and METRIC units. Target size(MM)/ Mils = Distance. (M)

  • @cavedweller364
    @cavedweller364 День тому

    That last 5 minutes of the video was just what I needed bro. God bless you. Fan before, community member now.

  • @josephlong7420
    @josephlong7420 День тому +9

    Just remember if your ranging with a second focal plane scope it must be on a certain power setting to be accurate. First focal plane it doesn't matter.

    • @Khemtime
      @Khemtime 22 години тому

      Do you have to zero at a certain distance for the BDC to be accurate?

    • @anthonyjimenez9725
      @anthonyjimenez9725 22 години тому +1

      Pretty sure sfp scopes are zeroed at max magnification

    • @CiviTac
      @CiviTac 19 годин тому

      @@Khemtimetotally depends on BDC, barrel length and ammunition. You’re usually pretty close if you have a 16in with just about any load zeroed at 100 yards for most BDC’s. But there are exceptions to that rule. Eotech for example uses a 50yd zero but on an SBR the bullets fall faster so you have to tinker

    • @nck4888
      @nck4888 10 годин тому +1

      ​@@KhemtimeLook in the owners manual of your optic and it should tell you the recommended zeros for different weight of your caliber of choice

  • @airbornevetrando
    @airbornevetrando День тому +1

    You do great work with the videos it gives me many considerations

  • @claytonjohnston25
    @claytonjohnston25 11 годин тому

    Definitely gonna pick up some of those DMR cards.

  • @TC-lb4gl
    @TC-lb4gl 14 годин тому

    The Vortex etched reticle (MRAD or MIL options available) is an attachment that goes on the eyepiece side.

  • @squirrel_1315
    @squirrel_1315 23 години тому +1

    For those who use MOA and METRIC units. (target size (MM)/ MOA)*3.438 = Distance(M)........OR.......(target size(cm)/MOA)*34.38 = Distance(M).

  • @_Delta_P_
    @_Delta_P_ День тому

    Dammit. Learning new stuff is entertaining to me. Guess I’ll head out.

  • @bodarville4699
    @bodarville4699 День тому +1

    awesome video

  • @_Delta_P_
    @_Delta_P_ День тому

    It’s really easy to range with mils. I prefer that.

  • @thunder_mountain_muleys
    @thunder_mountain_muleys День тому +1

    Mil-Dot Master. It's basically an analog ballistic calculator . No batteries.

  • @chad59
    @chad59 День тому

    Has anyone tried an IR solution for adverse weather component? Outstanding content fellas

  • @unavailableunkown
    @unavailableunkown 21 годину тому +1

    In my day we just needed our feet, stick of gum and a smile. -Boomer

  • @N238E
    @N238E День тому +3

    Still don't have power in Tampa.

    • @benkenobi7800
      @benkenobi7800 День тому +2

      @@N238E Blame Biden and HARP

    • @AJohnSmith
      @AJohnSmith 22 години тому +1

      @@benkenobi7800You’re 30 years late on the HAARP conspiracy.

    • @rigid73able
      @rigid73able 15 годин тому

      ​@@AJohnSmithHow is it late? The power outage is now . Can we not blame it on haarp today?

  • @Khemtime
    @Khemtime 22 години тому

    Do scopes with a BDC need to be zeroed at a specific distance to be accurate?

    • @dw5523
      @dw5523 21 годину тому +1

      a BDC is trued to a specific bullet velocity & trajectory at specific atmospheric conditions. Deviate from that and it's not going to be precise. It may still be accurate enough for general combat, but not for precision shooting.

    • @Khemtime
      @Khemtime 15 годин тому

      @@dw5523 yea but as long as those factors are what they’re supposed to be does the zero distance matter?

    • @dw5523
      @dw5523 14 годин тому +1

      @@Khemtime yes, all BDC's are designed for a specific zero distance too. However, good ballistics software can tell you how the BDC works with difference ammo and zero distances.

    • @Khemtime
      @Khemtime 7 годин тому

      @@dw5523 appreciate it

  • @bodarville4699
    @bodarville4699 День тому +2

    average human torso 18 to 20 inches

  • @airbornevetrando
    @airbornevetrando День тому

    Is that the same formula for a moa optic

  • @benkenobi7800
    @benkenobi7800 День тому

    Question is: direct threaded suppressor or quick detach?!... Which is more accurate?....

    • @Wings_For_The_Weekends
      @Wings_For_The_Weekends День тому +1

      I’m fairly sure direct thread is more accurate, at least has a better return to zero, add in a single or dual taper and that will keep it pretty darn accurate/return to zero

    • @Wings_For_The_Weekends
      @Wings_For_The_Weekends День тому +1

      @BrassFacts has a few really good videos on this subject

    • @benkenobi7800
      @benkenobi7800 День тому

      @@Wings_For_The_Weekends i'll check them out

    • @benkenobi7800
      @benkenobi7800 День тому

      @@Wings_For_The_Weekends ua-cam.com/video/78RNr_DEx0Q/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared

  • @benkenobi7800
    @benkenobi7800 День тому

    This video Is a great way to monetize suppressor brands might as well snap on a freakin suppressor on a 50 cal since they are so bad ass

    • @Wings_For_The_Weekends
      @Wings_For_The_Weekends День тому

      Military does that, although it is a little impractical seeing as the only situation you would need a 50bmg sniped would be a 15 mile shot 😂

    • @benkenobi7800
      @benkenobi7800 День тому

      @@Wings_For_The_Weekends they are most effective 1200 meters distance

    • @Wings_For_The_Weekends
      @Wings_For_The_Weekends 23 години тому +1

      @@benkenobi7800 that was hyperbole

    • @benkenobi7800
      @benkenobi7800 22 години тому

      @@Wings_For_The_Weekends you know it Is relative and not superlative

    • @Wings_For_The_Weekends
      @Wings_For_The_Weekends 22 години тому

      @@benkenobi7800 I was commenting that my original comment was hyperbole, the 15 mile shot

  • @Aizazell
    @Aizazell Годину тому

    Competition is useful, its not combat........ I don't care about someone's times in a competition. (For Example) I don't know of to many F-Class or PRS Match Guys that can Stalk. Or even select or get into an effective FFP. Can they build a hide site? Can they run civilian selected and configured coms in order to relay the current shape of the battle space? Without being compromised? I'm not a fan of the rifle mounted range finders. Rifle data, Rifle data, rifle data!

  • @trumpwon20204
    @trumpwon20204 День тому +2

    the disclaimer is cheezy bro. anyone serious knows what your talking about already. i'm here to see if your homework has been done

  • @benkenobi7800
    @benkenobi7800 День тому

    Suppressed = POI shifts

    • @Wings_For_The_Weekends
      @Wings_For_The_Weekends День тому

      Tapers and direct thread can help with that…
      Also, if that suppressor never leaves the gun, and you re-zero the rifle after you clean it/take it off for any reason, it should be fairly okay 👌

  • @wearetheresistanceprepping1883
    @wearetheresistanceprepping1883 22 години тому +1

    I understand how some creators use UA-cam as a source of income but having 9 ads on this video is excessive and honestly it takes away from the message.

  • @benkenobi7800
    @benkenobi7800 День тому

    I hate to say this but a suppressor decreases penetration i rather use a muzzle break and fire from a distance with as much foliage density as possible always in prowling position for maximum results, if you shoot mid range to short with a suppressed rifle wether It Is Bolt action or semi auto then It Is not difficult to pull off...
    Now if you have this add on your long range rifle then we are playing a whole different Ball park; i am talking about hunting with a Digital telemeter/Laser Rangefinder, Slope Compensation, Angle, Flagpole Lock... Lmao you can't miss!

    • @Wings_For_The_Weekends
      @Wings_For_The_Weekends День тому +3

      How does a suppressor decrease pen? It’s not like CoD where a suppressor decreases range and damage lol
      (Unless it does, educate me if I’m wrong)

    • @RB-dc2bp
      @RB-dc2bp День тому +1

      WTF, lol

    • @benkenobi7800
      @benkenobi7800 День тому

      @@Wings_For_The_Weekends makes bullet go slower, supressor increases bullet drag when exiting barrel i dont play call of duty Bro i play rainbow six if anything

    • @Wings_For_The_Weekends
      @Wings_For_The_Weekends День тому +1

      @@benkenobi7800 interesting, I looked it up, and yes it could have an impact… but the effect is extremely negligible even for distance shooting

    • @benkenobi7800
      @benkenobi7800 День тому

      @@Wings_For_The_Weekends now check this out, DARPA has a thing called smart bullet look It Up, ITS really old tech but highly effective

  • @Aizazell
    @Aizazell Годину тому

    OLD SCHOOL, KNOWING MY COME UPS, KNOWN SIZES DATA REFERANCE IE: (measurements of thing that don't change! Stop Signs, HMMVE Wheels, Standard Door Frames, The size of a "Blue Helmet" 😁ECT......) MIL-DOT RETICLE, MINUTE TURRETS. ON MY M40a1