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  • @deckerjake438
    @deckerjake438 7 місяців тому +503

    The fact that Fat Electrician and Angry cops are on this rotation is absolutely amazing!!!!

  • @TiesOfZip
    @TiesOfZip 7 місяців тому +768

    Dude it was decades before the Japanese would even acknowledge what they did to the Chinese and POWs, and even then they still massively downplay.

    • @persnikitty3570
      @persnikitty3570 7 місяців тому +83

      And their ambassadors were confused as towards why China and Korea still hate Japan: what Japan did in those countries wasn't taught in Japan, but sure was where they made the mass graves.

    • @susanwahl6322
      @susanwahl6322 7 місяців тому +16

      What about the Korean comfort girls?

    • @joshuawillingham6363
      @joshuawillingham6363 7 місяців тому +58

      ​@@susanwahl6322Japanese soldiers keeping Korean girls as "comfort" was honestly one of the less horrifying things they did, and that sentence should horrify anyone.

    • @danielcobia7818
      @danielcobia7818 7 місяців тому

      From what I understand Japanese citizens see Pearl Harbor as "a great accident" rather than a planned intentional military operation.

    • @sirboomsalot4902
      @sirboomsalot4902 7 місяців тому +9

      @@susanwahl6322To be fair, we in the US aren’t taught that the American and British occupation forces used the Comfort Women system (and not just the one they had, we actively “recruited” for it as well) until the spring of 1946 when the US press started finding out about it and half of our guys started getting STDs. And we used it for the exact same reason the Japanese did; to keep the rape cases against all the other civilians down. Recently evidence came out that we had the system going in Korea until the end of the Korean War, but I’ll have to find the article on it again. All this is to say that while Japan has a lot of work they need to do, we aren’t much better.

  • @ZeroEx131
    @ZeroEx131 7 місяців тому +636

    The German Ambassador was like "Japan, chill, mein god."

    • @BlandSpagetti
      @BlandSpagetti 7 місяців тому

      You know your evil when Nazi Germany says that’s too much

    • @benn454
      @benn454 7 місяців тому

      It's pretty bad when the Nazis are protecting people from your genocide.

    • @noneedtoknow07
      @noneedtoknow07 7 місяців тому +33

      True story, guy was even a member of the Nazi Party. Actually a pretty decent guy all things considered.

    • @karlsnod2784
      @karlsnod2784 7 місяців тому +45

      I like the meme that people made of the Japanese saving Jews from the Nazi while the Nazis saved Chinese from the Japanese in WWII... Just both like "huh"

    • @pedrofreitas4262
      @pedrofreitas4262 7 місяців тому +18

      *Mein gott

  • @Ron-d2s
    @Ron-d2s 7 місяців тому +384

    The movie "Tora, Tora, Tora!" was made with a Japanese film crew doing the Japanese parts and when it was released in Japan in none of the locals knew that Pearl was a sneak attack.

    • @x808drifter
      @x808drifter 7 місяців тому +9

      Because it wasn't.
      Not sure where you got that in the movie either.
      The Japanese government declared war on us 2-3 hours before the attack.
      Our translators at the time kinda sucked at translating it fast.
      If they had done it fast would it had helped? Hell no. That's kinda the point of officially declaring war right before you attack, so the opponent can't defend themselves as good.
      Not like it was a surprise either.
      If you actually watched the movie like it seems you are saying you also realize we knew shit might happen and didn't really prepare for it.

    • @Ron-d2s
      @Ron-d2s 7 місяців тому +157

      @@x808drifter The encoded telegram was sent to the Japanese embassy and it took the Japanese translators hours to get it sent out, after the attack had already begun.
      There are always code breakers and spy's but the fact is nothing was KNOWN until the planes showed up, to the guy in the hammock and the nurse smoking Chesterfields there was no war.
      Tora, Tora, Tora! was released in 1970 and most of the Japanese public had never heard that is was a sneak attack on a sleeping city on a day of rest.
      It was just a great victory for the Empire.

    • @midgetydeath
      @midgetydeath 7 місяців тому

      @x808drifter
      You got it backwards. They intended the declaration to arrive a few hours before the attack but messed up.

    • @traviskey5695
      @traviskey5695 7 місяців тому

      We had Japanese diplomats sitting with our diplomats discussing peace while they were attacking us​@@x808drifter

    • @DerrickRG
      @DerrickRG 7 місяців тому +60

      ​@@x808drifterWrong. Revisionist much?

  • @trevortammen2341
    @trevortammen2341 7 місяців тому +259

    My 8th grade social studies teachers grandpa was in the death march and he was stabbed with a bayonet between the ribs and he played dead after falling into the weeds. Survived with a infection in said wound for about a week, and was found, nursed to health, and hidden by a sympathetic familly that owned a nearby pattie until the end of the war was announced. Only passed away 4 or 5 years ago i believe

    • @jmsgridiron5628
      @jmsgridiron5628 6 місяців тому +12

      Sounds like had better shit to do than die. That's terrible that he had to live through that but also badass that he lived in a situation where most men would've 100% died.

    • @Martyn-1337
      @Martyn-1337 3 місяці тому +3

      Filipino here. Yes a lot of filipinos and soldiers died in the march.
      Some who escaped or survive the execution were rescued and nursed by locals.
      Some of the officers regroup and formed a guerilla force along with Filipino soldiers and locals.

    • @DeverttWoolwine
      @DeverttWoolwine 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Martyn-1337The Japanese treated the Filipino POWs worse than they did the Americans. The Filipino guerrilla fighters stories have never been given the credit they are due.

    • @Martyn-1337
      @Martyn-1337 2 місяці тому

      @@DeverttWoolwine from what our history books tell and from what my grandparents told us when they were still alive, the Imperial Japanese treated filipinos and american POWs the same, and some worse for the americans or "whites".
      While its true there are some japanese who are more humane than others, the majority are cruel. my maternal grandmother's friends and distant relatives became comfort women and many were never seen again.
      there are many filipino guerilla fighters from various groups and sometimes competing interest and command.
      my grandfather was one of them. he was a corporal by the war's end. however his commanding officer whom we only know as "Captain Garcia" scammed his platoon and took all their documents and sold to somebody else. many of the platoon's members were illiterate. my grandfather only finished 2nd grade school. so while he was entitled to US government's benefits, he can't prove his credentials because the papers were taken from them.

    • @madffx1986
      @madffx1986 2 місяці тому

      2:14 be like DMX: US gonna give it to ya.

  • @jacoblansman8147
    @jacoblansman8147 7 місяців тому +615

    "You just made the United States a burglar."
    Hey, that's Britain's thing!

    • @RedtailFox1
      @RedtailFox1 7 місяців тому +15

      nah, Britain retired from the 'beating you up in your own country' game and handed that job off to the USA who have taken it and ran with it....... It is like they are trying to speedrun Britain's record

    • @hollunk6969
      @hollunk6969 7 місяців тому +16

      @@RedtailFox1 Britain did it in half an hour, we salute you to try and beat our record.

    • @ryanwolfe8578
      @ryanwolfe8578 7 місяців тому +1

      Kababler

    • @BradanKlauer-mn4mp
      @BradanKlauer-mn4mp 6 місяців тому +1

      @Redtailfox1 Nah, they’re still doing it, but they just play second fiddle to the U.S.

    • @Mohawk21-oi1nit
      @Mohawk21-oi1nit 2 місяці тому

      "I think we done run the misfits out of our country , .....Mr Ashley"

  • @tyleroutingdyke849
    @tyleroutingdyke849 7 місяців тому +238

    Japan- "we did nothing"
    *slides unit 731 file across table*

    • @aarondolney4178
      @aarondolney4178 7 місяців тому +13

      Dude I only just recently learned about 731 my mind froze up trying to process what I was hearing. Like…WTF how is this shit not taught in schools.

    • @tyleroutingdyke849
      @tyleroutingdyke849 7 місяців тому

      @aarondolney4178 what crazy is they got off scott-free too for just giving the US the experiment documents.
      They pulled a give it to us or we'll let the USSR come put you to work in a gulag

    • @Cowboycomando54
      @Cowboycomando54 7 місяців тому +4

      @@aarondolney4178 In the extra content for the anime Black Lagoon, they do make a joke referencing Unit 731.

    • @jagx234
      @jagx234 7 місяців тому +3

      More ppl need to know about this

    • @aarondolney4178
      @aarondolney4178 7 місяців тому +7

      @@jagx234 couldn’t agree more, it’s freaking sad that some much history isn’t taught in schools.

  • @saintsinner6195
    @saintsinner6195 7 місяців тому +194

    American prisoner to Japanese guard: Umm....I think you guys just lost.

    • @ryanbauer3680
      @ryanbauer3680 5 місяців тому +2

      This honestly sounds like a Family Guy cut away.

    • @WillRosfeld
      @WillRosfeld 2 місяці тому +1

      Japanese soldiers:🤯🫢
      American pow:🫡😏🤠

    • @Mohawk21-oi1nit
      @Mohawk21-oi1nit 2 місяці тому +1

      Annie showed up and started singing " here comes the sun!!!! " Japan heard this, and got warm and fuzzy real fast!!!

  • @benn454
    @benn454 7 місяців тому +168

    Nagasaki was the Christian city. Jesuit missionaries landed there with Portuguese traders in the 1500s and converted hundreds of thousands of Japanese. Mariko from the Shogun book and TV series is one of these converted Japanese Christians.

    • @Ron-d2s
      @Ron-d2s 7 місяців тому +13

      There was a first hand account called "Hiroshima" written by a German Jesuit Priest that lived in Hiroshima.
      And I don't even think that it was the 1st on the list, because of cloud cover over the primary they went to Hiroshima.

    • @sirboomsalot4902
      @sirboomsalot4902 7 місяців тому +10

      @@Ron-d2sNagasaki was the one that was the secondary target. The primary target was Kokura

    • @Ron-d2s
      @Ron-d2s 7 місяців тому +3

      @@sirboomsalot4902 OK, I knew it was one or the other.

    • @benn454
      @benn454 7 місяців тому +6

      @@sirboomsalot4902 Giving rise to the term "Kokura Luck".

    • @jegsdinogod5091
      @jegsdinogod5091 7 місяців тому +5

      Jesuits? Oh no loss then.

  • @mbpaintballa
    @mbpaintballa 7 місяців тому +239

    those prison guards were like, "hey can i see the geveva convention book you keep on referencing", "huh, I should go"

    • @hi14993
      @hi14993 7 місяців тому +2

      Geneva convention was in late 1940s after WWII

    • @mbpaintballa
      @mbpaintballa 7 місяців тому

      @@hi14993 1849..... It was updated in 1949

    • @alexravencroft2807
      @alexravencroft2807 7 місяців тому

      🎉😊🎉​@@hi14993

    • @sophisthemlock246
      @sophisthemlock246 7 місяців тому +10

      @@hi14993 No, it was post WWI in the 1920s

    • @generictag1050
      @generictag1050 7 місяців тому +3

      @@sophisthemlock246 i think there were like 2 or 3 geneva conventions

  • @Thecognoscenti_1
    @Thecognoscenti_1 7 місяців тому +112

    In short, China in the mid-1930s was ruled by the same government that rules Taiwan today, the Republic of China. Shortly before the Japanese invasion, the Chinese Civil War was winding down significantly, as most of China was under the firm control of the Nationalist government based out of Nanjing (with peripheral regions ruled by allied warlords), while the Communists were also holed up in Northern Shaanxi and had been eradicated everywhere else. It only would have taken one last small push to completely rid China of Communism, but unfortunately, the Japanese continued to encroach upon Chinese sovereignty, occupying Manchuria in 1931, and parts of Eastern Hebei and Inner Mongolia in 1935. The government focused on destroying internal threats first before militarily fighting the Japanese (using international diplomacy and economic warfare as a means to restrain Japan in the meantime), but a disgruntled allied warlord (Zhang Xueliang) whose father used to rule Manchuria but was assassinated by the Japanese decided to kidnap China's leader at the time, Chiang Kai Shek, and force him to agree to a truce with the Communists to form a second "Chinese United Front" against the Japanese, who invaded in full in 1937 and committed countless atrocities, including the Nanjing massacre (they also committed crimes against humanity in areas they occupied and ruled before the war, such as Unit 731). Crucially, during the war, the Nationalists did most of the fighting and were dealt the most damage, while the Communists mostly used the war to preserve their strength and form guerilla cells behind Japanese lines, and to a very large extent, this was why the exhausted Nationalist government post-war lost the civil war (which started up again) against the Communists. Mao even openly thanked the Japanese for saving them. Hence, being sympathetic to the Chinese and also anti-Japanese should not illicit Communist sympathies, as the Communists have the Japanese to thank the most for allowing them to gain power in China, commit further crimes against humanity and deprive yet more Chinese people of their lives.

    • @simonnachreiner8380
      @simonnachreiner8380 7 місяців тому +14

      It's not entirely accurate to say that the Taiwan government is the same as the Chinese nationalists. A direct successor yes, but they went through several ostensibly democratic reforms inorder to keep their legitimacy.

    • @9HighFlyer9
      @9HighFlyer9 6 місяців тому +1

      I thought you said "In short"

    • @spartanonxy
      @spartanonxy 6 місяців тому +9

      @@9HighFlyer9 That is the short version. The long version would require explaining international dealings across the world just to start.

    • @fugu4163
      @fugu4163 Місяць тому

      Thats the short version of the political landscape in whats now mainland China during the 1930s to late 1940s
      The nationalist goverment also transported all their cultural and historical treasures to Taiwan to save them from the communists.
      If you wants to experience the actual China now a days you need to visit Taiwan.

  • @JayEllis76
    @JayEllis76 7 місяців тому +120

    "I use to be a Tanker!"
    AC- Well that checks out-

    • @HereThereBeBirds
      @HereThereBeBirds 4 місяці тому +2

      That " Yeah, I can tell," at the end felt personal

  • @poseidonetn.u.s.ebranch2610
    @poseidonetn.u.s.ebranch2610 7 місяців тому +48

    0:09 fun thing: there's a picture from the city. The church wasn't completely destroyed from the bomb. A large portion of it was still standing and the church has been completely repaired.

  • @ximthedespot4673
    @ximthedespot4673 7 місяців тому +83

    If I recall, Kyoto was supposed to be the first target. That was changed because someone in Truman's cabinet had his honeymoon there and thought it was too beautiful to destroy.

    • @TheAsakararen
      @TheAsakararen 7 місяців тому +24

      They chose not to bomb it because it's the spiritual capital of Japan and the where worried it would galvanise the Japanese against them

    • @sirshotty7689
      @sirshotty7689 7 місяців тому +5

      Why Kyoto of all places? I mean I’d make more sense if it was its neighboring city Osaka, which had one of the four major naval arsenal next door in Kobe. But Kyoto was of relatively little importance. And then they instead decided to go with Nagasaki which was another city that had one of the four major naval arsenals.
      It’s just funny to think about.

    • @ximthedespot4673
      @ximthedespot4673 7 місяців тому +12

      @@sirshotty7689 It was the historic capital of Japan.

    • @MarkLac
      @MarkLac 7 місяців тому +4

      Yes, it was the Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson. Ironically enough he had visited Kyoto prior to the war on holiday with his wife. There is still debates today if he had reflected on his visit to the city that made him jump in to spare Kyoto.

    • @DeltaEntropy
      @DeltaEntropy 7 місяців тому +2

      @@sirshotty7689before it was moved to Tokyo, Kyoto was the capital of Japan and seat of the emperor.
      It’s still a symbol of Japan’s empirical power and history, which for better or worse made it a very culturally impactful target.

  • @michaelusswisconsin6002
    @michaelusswisconsin6002 7 місяців тому +74

    Japan: We did nothing wrong.
    Every Asian country: 🤨😡

    • @bobdole4916
      @bobdole4916 5 місяців тому +8

      One of the worst things they did along those lines was about the Comfort Women. Horrible practice Japan had of press ganging captured civilian women into being prostitutes for Japanese soldiers. The soldiers were often violent with them including beating them during sex, stabbing with a knife during sex, choking them unconscious, and just straight up killing the girl during.
      After the war it took a few years to get Japan to admit it and apologize.
      Then they took the apology back and went back to denying it happened.
      Then they apologized again.
      Then they denied it again.
      They've gone back and forth on this, with denials coming from that Japanese statesman who was murdered - Abe - and he denied it as recently as 2014.
      Everything about the way they've handled the Comfort Women shows that what they really want is to be able to sweep it under the rug and never talk about it again. They keep taking back their apologies, don't do anything that's been recommended by well respected international groups, don't obey international court rulings, and keep acting as though saying they're sorry is all they should need to do even if they deny that it ever happened afterwards.
      And the sad little cherry on top of all of this is that as they were losing the war and couldn't kidnap foreign women for their soldiers to rape and abuse, they started press ganging their own women into service to fill out the numbers needed. Absolutely vile.

  • @jweav151
    @jweav151 7 місяців тому +82

    I had to read "The Rape of Nanking" (book title) as a junior or senior in college. I don't remember anything else from that class; just Nanking.

    • @kyledabearsfan
      @kyledabearsfan 7 місяців тому +12

      I'm surprised this didn't get censored. Minor victory for the week. That atrocity shouldn't be forgotten.

    • @Irish381
      @Irish381 7 місяців тому +9

      Unit 731, and the Burma train railway being built by POWs

    • @DD-qw4fz
      @DD-qw4fz 7 місяців тому

      The Chinese were killing each other in the civil war for years and in millions nd in bestial ways no different to Japanese war crimes and yet we never hear about those.
      Modern Chinese propaganda we all ate up just wants to talk about Nanking and unit 731 to create more soft power/pressure over Japan and the west.
      Japan wont take the self flaggelation route, and they are right.
      Go look how the wests supposed critical self reflection is used to weaken us, and made us ashamed of our history.

  • @Princess_Celestia_
    @Princess_Celestia_ 7 місяців тому +170

    The one argument I hate is the argument that neither of those two cities where legit military targets... Hiroshima was a major army base that housed the headquarters of the Japanese 5th Division and the 2nd Army Headquarters. It was also an important port in southern Japan and a communications center. Nagasaki was another important port that was producing naval warships, munitions and other equipment. Both cities where valid military targets in my eyes.

    • @dragonsword7370
      @dragonsword7370 7 місяців тому +16

      Even past that point, EVEN if they didn't have any factory plants, or military command points or offices, or government headquarters there... The backyard industry for building weapons and other kit for the IJA and other branches was wide.

    • @sirshotty7689
      @sirshotty7689 7 місяців тому +22

      “Producing naval equipment” is quite a big understatement. It was the home of the Mitsubishi Navy Arsenal which built the IJN Musashi aka the sister ship of the IJN Yamato and various other light and heavy carriers. It was also literally neighboring Kure, and I mean literally neighboring as in they’re 11 miles away from each other. Kure Naval Arsenal was where the Yamato was built and both it and Mitsubishi shipyards made up two of the four principal naval arsenals. These four arsenals built nearly all of the large ships Japan used during the war like battleships, carriers, battlecruisers, and cruisers. So it was most definitely a military target in big bold letters and numerous exclamation points.
      For some extra knowledge, the other two arsenals were the Kawasaki Naval Arsenal in Kobe which is right next to Osaka for reference. It built the IJN Zuikaku one of two Shokaku-class carriers built and was considered one of the most capable carriers used during the entire war. It was also the last of the six carriers that participated in Pearl Harbor attack to be sunk.
      And finally the Yokosuko Naval Arsenal in Tokyo. Which built Japans largest aircraft carrier the IJN Shinano which was supposed to be the third Yamato-Class battleship built. It was later converted to being a carrier midway through its production due to the Battle of Midway when Japan lost four of its carrier fleets.

    • @sirboomsalot4902
      @sirboomsalot4902 7 місяців тому +8

      Completely correct, but I would be amiss to say that LeMay himself said that the civilians were the primary targets in the bombings we did, and that he personally did not believe in the concept of innocent civilians. They were military targets, but that’s not why we bombed them.

    • @moappleseider1699
      @moappleseider1699 7 місяців тому

      @@dragonsword7370 "The backyard industry for building weapons and other KIT for the IJA and other branches was wide."
      "KIT"? First off it sounds ridiculously stupid when people who are actually British say that dumb shit in reference to equipment but when I come across and American saying "kit" instead of equipment they just look moronically desperate at trying to sound cool. It's equipment buddy. Or keep saying "kit" and sound like a tool. I don't care.

    • @charlottewalnut3118
      @charlottewalnut3118 7 місяців тому

      So I assume you’re not going to complain when some country nukes any of the large cities in America to keep us out of a war or force us to surrender correct so when New York Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, San Francisco and Los Angeles all get bombed into flat glass planes you won’t complain because they were valid military targets, right

  • @funfactor4528
    @funfactor4528 7 місяців тому +56

    The fat electrician and angry cops are a hilarious pair

  • @GuyverFan
    @GuyverFan 7 місяців тому +28

    I had a great-uncle who matched in the Bataan Death March. I never got to meet him because he committed suicide because of, among other things, PTSD from marching in the Bataan Death March.

  • @syn629-C
    @syn629-C 7 місяців тому +12

    The only M1 lost in Desert Storm that I know of was one that broke down (engine problems I believe) during the initial push through Iraq. We couldn’t stop the push, but we also couldn’t leave an intact M1 behind. So the crew took out what they could and another M1 shot it to permanently disable it. BTW, it took 2 shots from close range to do it.

  • @meatloaf5772
    @meatloaf5772 7 місяців тому +54

    Germany repented of their crimes but Japan denied theirs. One explanation perhaps lays in culture. Eastern cultures tend to be “shame based”. In India, the highest rate of youth suicides occurs during exam time in school. Young Indians who do poorly in their exams often kill themselves rather than live with the shame of being a “failure”to their family. In Japanese Bushido code they were taught that suicide is preferable to the shame of surrender. Some Eastern cultures also have what’s called “honor killings” where the family patriarch has the right to kill a family member who brought shame or dishonor on the family. In short, it’s all about saving face-avoiding shame. It’s true that pride and trying to “save face” is a universal flaw found in people everywhere but not every culture or society manifests it in the same way. Pride can be a bug in some belief systems where it’s a feature in others. There’s a difference between a value system which says “be open, tell the truth, confess and repent” and a system which says, “whatever you do, don’t bring shame on you, your family or your country” (even if it means lies and denial).

    • @joecanteen7428
      @joecanteen7428 6 місяців тому

      This is not medieval far east, Many modern parents spoil their child very much. The so called religion of peace islam is very common for honor killings main target is women.

    • @ryanbauer3680
      @ryanbauer3680 5 місяців тому +7

      Another thing is Allies had to actually denazify Germany. This included making them visit the camps, bury some of the already dead from the camps and even exhuming mass graves.

  • @niceguyniko
    @niceguyniko 7 місяців тому +221

    I definitely wouldn't describe the military campaigns in Afghanistan a loss. A waste? Yeah.

    • @paintslinger16
      @paintslinger16 7 місяців тому

      It was win with a * It wasn’t even a war that could be won in the traditional sense, war is normally for the land and assets and to enslave the population, we were after specific person and squash a group which was accomplished. But millions of nothing to lose followers, it’s never ends trying to change the ideology unless we decimated the population, that basically why it was never going to work. Especially in a mostly rural tribe based society.

    • @DJJohnson-zw1xu
      @DJJohnson-zw1xu 7 місяців тому +36

      Completely agree. It’s a cultural problem. As the withdrawal started, the country just started folding. If the majority of the citizens wanted their freedom, they would’ve stood up to the taliban. We propped the country up, tried to set up a military… but in the end it wasn’t up to us. It’s unfortunate that all the good people from there who wanted better lives are now stuck under taliban rule.

    • @jesterj8526
      @jesterj8526 7 місяців тому +16

      Definitely a waste we invested in cowards

    • @FaustianDaydreams
      @FaustianDaydreams 7 місяців тому +5

      @@DJJohnson-zw1xuthe average American doesn’t even like the U.S. gov. Why would they?

    • @Archone666
      @Archone666 7 місяців тому +8

      What would VICTORY have looked like? Because we didn't achieve anything of substance, we spent a LOT of resources and personnel, and that sounds like a pretty big loss by any measurable standard.

  • @SGTBacon99
    @SGTBacon99 7 місяців тому +43

    FYI guys - Manchuria is in Northeast china, not in Japan. That's why is more baffling why the Japanese were more worried about russia's attack.

    • @kyledabearsfan
      @kyledabearsfan 7 місяців тому +7

      Yeah, they were already losing too. It's a horrible argument.

    • @Hakar17
      @Hakar17 6 місяців тому +1

      To be fair the Russians absolutely their army in Manchuria. It wasn't why they surrendered but it's still pretty funny

    • @gaychampagnesocialist7213
      @gaychampagnesocialist7213 5 місяців тому

      @@Hakar17 A month late, but the funniest thing is how the russians were pushing an increasingly incompetently ran army, barely did any substantive war-winning damage, had 0 ability to navally invade and was known to have basically no serious naval capability in the Pacific (and what little they had was a laughinstock because Russian navy is Russian navy), no landing crafts or logistic capabilities, barely even considered by anybody who actually was making the decisions (who all cited the AMERICAN BOMBINGS) and STILL somehow gets cited as a reason why Japan surrendered.
      Soviboos are just as bad, if not worse, than Wehrboos. Fanfiction worse than Twilight.

    • @Aredel
      @Aredel 5 місяців тому +8

      The argument is that Japan was hoping the Soviet Union would intercede on their behalf to negotiate a favorable deal with the United States - presumably one that would let them preserve the empire in some manner. It was grasping at straws at that point, but the invasion of Manchuria crushed any hopes of that happening.
      As to the validity of this argument, it seems pretty far-reaching to say the bombs did *nothing* to persuade Japan to surrender.

    • @Gardenstategreat1225
      @Gardenstategreat1225 3 місяці тому +3

      Look at where territorial Japanese waters are and how close it is to russia. Also you have to understand the political climate of japan. They hated communist possibly more than we did. They did not want a situation where they were divided up among russia and the united states. The bombs most certainly scared them but they were prepared to stall as long as possible for better surrender terms. The russian attack made them choose. The US delegates said as much. We had surrender talks with them months before and leading up to the bombings. They knew exactly what to do to end the Japanese portions of the war without more loss of life. They knew the bombings and the invasion right after would end it. Its false to say the bombs had no impact though. Along with the firebombings.

  • @Nexesys
    @Nexesys 4 місяці тому +4

    ACs reaction as the POW was priceless 😂

  • @jedwatkins7305
    @jedwatkins7305 7 місяців тому +24

    Hey Guys. Good clip. The Soldiers who lost their lives due to fratricide at 73 Easting were 12B Combat Engineers assigned to the 82nd Engineer Battalion (The Blue Babe) stationed at Warner Barracks in Bamberg, Germany. Their names were Strehlow, Powell, and Howard. Barracks numbers 7082, 7083, and 7084 were named for them. They were operating in an M113 when in the fog of war their vehicle was struck by friendly fire killing all three of them. There has been plenty of coverage of the battle of 73 Easting, but not nearly enough about that incident,the Soldiers that lost their lives, or the men that knew them. I know for a fact that many of the men that were there and served with Strehlow, Powell, and Howard would be happy to honor them by telling their tale. BLUE BABE!

  • @nicholasgenovese2454
    @nicholasgenovese2454 7 місяців тому +10

    Fat Electrician referencing the Battle of 73 Easting episode of "Greatest Tank Battles" was not something I knew I needed. I grew up on that how.

  • @hoopchristine5202
    @hoopchristine5202 7 місяців тому +10

    10:21 Apparently, in 2016 the Saudis asked the US to replace around 20 Abrams tanks for vague “battle damage”, but they were likely lost during their intervention in Yemen. So while the US Army and Marine Corps have never lost an Abrams in battle, they have (probably) been lost while in the service of allied nations

    • @kinocorner976
      @kinocorner976 7 місяців тому +6

      A lot less Abrams have been lost compared to other MBTs. Even in Ukraine, they have only lost 5 in a year of combat. That’s not at all bad.

    • @う手ェべっ時
      @う手ェべっ時 7 місяців тому +1

      @@kinocorner976true, the only real reason that Ukraine lost those 5 Abrams tanks is because they lost them to FPV drones

    • @mariobadia4553
      @mariobadia4553 6 місяців тому

      ​@kinocorner976 ukraine only had 31

    • @mariobadia4553
      @mariobadia4553 6 місяців тому

      ​@@う手ェべっ時and artillery and mines and missles........

    • @Lovemy1911a1
      @Lovemy1911a1 2 місяці тому +1

      The US has lost Abrams in combat and some of them to direct fire. In the 1991 Gulf War there were 9 Abrams destroyed. In the Iraq War around 80 Abrams tanks would be written off as total losses.

  • @hoopchristine5202
    @hoopchristine5202 7 місяців тому +11

    11:22 And that was an A-10 pilot thinking a British Scimitar IFV was a Russian truck

  • @cavemanjoe79
    @cavemanjoe79 7 місяців тому +15

    That was the best explanation for the war in Afghanistan.

  • @alextalbert1065
    @alextalbert1065 5 місяців тому +2

    The book doesnt even cover it to the fullest. I share a class ring with a survivor of the death march. He spoke at my class ring ceremony at Clemson. I dont know that hes still alive to do it anymore, but i will cherish the conversation i had with him afterwards for the rest of my life.

  • @linkjoestar8924
    @linkjoestar8924 5 місяців тому +2

    Bradley Crewman here, in regards to the Iraq War and the Bradleys. We lost a total of 20 Bradleys during that time. 17 of them were to friendly fire.

  • @Lo-tf6qt
    @Lo-tf6qt 7 місяців тому +15

    11:20 iirc the reason why there was a blue on blue incident was because the old shitty thermal sights weren't very high resolution so it made an Abrams look a lot like a T-72 from a distance.
    (Again I don't remember the exact reason but I think it was something like this, appreciate if anyone in the comment section could correct me on it)

  • @WarmongerSmurfOnXbox
    @WarmongerSmurfOnXbox 7 місяців тому +6

    “Foundation your house” is my new favorite saying.

  • @tyrschampion471
    @tyrschampion471 7 місяців тому +53

    You guys need to do research on the kakoda trail before the Japanese replace the entire history.

    • @matthewcharles5867
      @matthewcharles5867 7 місяців тому +4

      It's pretty well known in Australia .

    • @x808drifter
      @x808drifter 7 місяців тому +5

      ​@@matthewcharles5867Well known in Hawaii too. Maybe not the rest of the US so much.
      Also not sure wtf you are on about them replacing it.
      Replace meant to put something else there to tack the now missing thing.
      What you probably mean is erase.
      Not sure wtf you're on about with that either seeing as the info is VERY easy to find.

    • @matthewcharles5867
      @matthewcharles5867 7 місяців тому

      @@x808drifter if your gunna bitch at someone at least bitch at the right one.

    • @sirboomsalot4902
      @sirboomsalot4902 7 місяців тому +4

      The Japanese aren’t going to replace the history; in general their acceptance of the past is getting better. Sure they have some politicians fighting against it, but it’s no different or more effective than the politicians we have who are fighting against education on slavery and deny that the genocide against the Native Americans happened.

    • @Sauce_Sensei
      @Sauce_Sensei 7 місяців тому +5

      @@sirboomsalot4902 only 6% of wealthy upper class southerners owned slaves. None of the young men fighting against the union were fighting for slavery…

  • @LegendStormcrow
    @LegendStormcrow 7 місяців тому +3

    The neighbor after losing the fight kept calling his siblings to get their faces pushed in😂

  • @dragonsword7370
    @dragonsword7370 7 місяців тому +14

    You will get angry whenever you go down the rabbit holes already mentioned, Nanking, etc. But if you look into Unit 731, the Japanese nationalist prime ministers and their family, the volunteered Japanese army nurses brought in for Okinawa(they were school girls, mostly high school aged but still) and many of them didn't survive for a lot of reasons. The Imperial Japanese Military's comfort women programs and in general, all the atrocities they commited on Koreans, Chinese, and other peoples in the South Pacific area.
    Fuk, the revisionists even bought a hotel in Canada, just to replace all the bibles with their literature of revised war histories. And their museums alone are blood pressure triggering.
    These were the same a-holes who helped push their government to mess with the history curriculums after WW2. IF there is any mention of it all, it is pretty vague. There is an issue of many parts of WW2 getting mentioned to most Japanese of all generations today, will be responded with disbelief, shock and anger. If not at you then at their education systems for not actually teaching any history. Behind the Bastards does a few podcast dives into these topics if you just want to listen about the subjects, as well.

  • @wittsullivan8130
    @wittsullivan8130 7 місяців тому +3

    If I remember correctly, the only Abrams we lost during Desert Storm was to friendly fire from some air support pilots (Apache or Warthog pilots?) given the wrong coordinates. A co-worker of mine was in infantry during Desert Storm and he said they came upon an Iraqi tank that had been hit by an A-10 and it looked like Swiss cheese. He said he had to be careful not to cut himself on the entry holes and there was nothing but scrap metal inside. He said there weren't any remains or smell, he thinks it was empty when it was hit, a target of opportunity.

  • @dax9929
    @dax9929 7 місяців тому +10

    'The land of the Rising Sun' gained a whole new meaning in 1945 thanks to Uncle Sam

  • @NordicDan
    @NordicDan 7 місяців тому +2

    4:06 AC holding that pose for so long made me spit out my coffee 🤣

  • @jed-henrywitkowski6470
    @jed-henrywitkowski6470 7 місяців тому +11

    As a Christian, AC's take was hilarious.

  • @KrashtestKenny-yv5if
    @KrashtestKenny-yv5if 7 місяців тому +5

    We lost an Abraham’s in 2003, my unit had to go secure it, it was shipped back to the USA to figure out what shot through it 🇺🇸

  • @TheNerdForAllSeasons
    @TheNerdForAllSeasons 7 місяців тому +5

    HLC and AngryCops are the best part time hosts on this show.

  • @Thaumogenesis
    @Thaumogenesis 7 місяців тому +78

    Land of the Rising Sun(s)

    • @DaveSlate-q9x
      @DaveSlate-q9x 7 місяців тому +4

      Boom!

    • @AaronCurtright
      @AaronCurtright 7 місяців тому

      @@DaveSlate-q9x Wouldn’t that be “boom”….”boom”?

    • @joecanteen7428
      @joecanteen7428 6 місяців тому

      Should be call land of the Rising Sins, Know japan history is full of horny shit.

  • @quinnhasse9170
    @quinnhasse9170 7 місяців тому +3

    i think of two things: getting stuck under power lines, and greatest tank battles-73 easting, a bradley lost its commander to a tank( i think) that had a saybot punch through and the vehicle didn't explode so some enemy got back in the vehicle and took a shot at the bradley.

  • @stevemolina8801
    @stevemolina8801 7 місяців тому +7

    I can tell there is no Navy representation at that table, They wouldn't be drinking White Claw!

  • @railrodemike
    @railrodemike 7 місяців тому +3

    I traveled to Iowa to meet my father inlaw for the first time. Served on Okinawa from 1 April 1945 USMC until Japanese surrendered age 17. My wife warned me while shopping with him in the department stores. He would pick up an item and turn it over. If made in Japan would fall out of his hands and shatter on the store floor. This was in the 1970s!

  • @aurorathekitty7854
    @aurorathekitty7854 7 місяців тому +3

    My grandma died a month before her 100th birthday and she was born in 1901 I believe. She went from horse and buggy to the nuclear age. I used to enjoy talking to her

  • @Vacerous
    @Vacerous 3 місяці тому +1

    Had a history teacher tell us about a Japanese exchange student she had in 1998. When she started teaching about Pearl Harbor she said he came to her after class and asked why she was teaching about a conspiracy theory. That his teachers told them it was American propaganda and never happened. Needless to say, once she showed him pictures of the memorial in Hawaii and old war footage, she said he was in tears at being lied to.

  • @mass.1710
    @mass.1710 7 місяців тому +4

    Thank u guys for being the only other people that i seen at least. That actually tells the real truth about what the Japanese did and they really dont teach their kids about this. I saw video of Japanese college students finding out the truth about what they did during WW2. Several of the students got emotional when faced with the reality of what they weren’t taught about WW2.

  • @coaklandva
    @coaklandva 7 місяців тому +4

    0:03 I've always known that Japan was brutal to POW's. But I did not know that Hiroshima was a highly populated Christian city. I went to Hiroshima when I was a teenager as apart of an exchange program. And Angry Cop's statement made me think back to when I was there, and now it even further makes me realize another reason those cities were chosen. The real enemy is truly evil.

  • @wxexw
    @wxexw 7 місяців тому +2

    Good contemporary book on the Iraq tank war - 'Iron Soldiers' by Tom Carhart (1994). Out of print, but if you can find a used copy, very good read.

  • @afunkymonke
    @afunkymonke 7 місяців тому +1

    To be fair, like 90% of the training callouts ended up being "one enemy t72 in the open" when i went through ait. Im pretty sure i never actually had a vehicle identification test until 3 years in, and that was an out of the blue training we did one weekend.

  • @thomashalley7258
    @thomashalley7258 7 місяців тому +13

    Look up the Hiroshima miracle. A lot of the Christians survived.

  • @mattiemathis9549
    @mattiemathis9549 7 місяців тому +1

    Great to see my favorite ytbers together!

  • @codycurtis543
    @codycurtis543 7 місяців тому +1

    Does anyone have a link to the book that HLC mentioned? He said it was called "Unbreakable," but all I could find was a book called "Unbroken"

    • @dC00847
      @dC00847 3 місяці тому +1

      I found one called "undefeated" I think that's the one he's taking about

  • @seanwillingham3755
    @seanwillingham3755 2 місяці тому

    How’s this the first I’m seeing of this podcast. It’s the greatest podcast ever.

  • @dragonmaster10712
    @dragonmaster10712 7 місяців тому +2

    The first Bradley smoked during 73 easting was from a tank that had been hit with an ap round which killed the crew, but somebody else crawled into it and fired one round while standing IN THE BALONEY MIST of the previous crew. Then his ticket got punched HARD

  • @SerunaXI
    @SerunaXI 7 місяців тому +3

    I'm slightly depressed that they didn't key in that Manchuria is China, near Korea.

  • @alexandersmith2877
    @alexandersmith2877 7 місяців тому

    2:10 I love how they all understood the assignment without a damn thing being said

  • @jamesa7506
    @jamesa7506 2 місяці тому

    "Oooooohhooohhooohhhhoooo!! You're in trouble! 👉" HAHAHA!

  • @number3766
    @number3766 7 місяців тому +2

    Just a reminder that Hawaii has around 50-60% Japanese population and most of the first responder casualties were Japanese Americans. The kamikaze were usually piloted by children or elderly to "regain honor".
    The imps did not target the dry docs but the ships, many of which had Japanese sailors.
    The imps thought ending entire bloodlines through familicide purely outta spite as leaving the repair docs untouched would mean most of the still floating ships would be repaired and used to attack Japan, stopped by general Yamamoto, a dude who studied in America with family in Hawaii, from attacking the hospitals while literally everyone else in command wanted to commit even more war crimes by targeting hospitals and first responders, as the "honorable" and "merciful" thing to do.
    If the Imps considered familialcide against fellow Japanese as merciful, imagine what cruelty is.

    • @CrazyJabberwock
      @CrazyJabberwock 3 місяці тому

      A key reminder that Hell is filled with "men of honor"

  • @nathanbarry9534
    @nathanbarry9534 7 місяців тому +20

    To be fair- Russia invaded the Senkaku northernmost islands of Japan, and Japan realized they had no defenses set up for that and US was less bad to surrender to than the Soviets. Its a territory dispute to this day, and its not far to major Japanese cities on Hokkaido.

  • @wearelegionn
    @wearelegionn 3 місяці тому

    Cav scout here. Thats the first time Ive hear that Kilo joke. I spit out my drink when i heard it.

  • @thedistracti0n993
    @thedistracti0n993 7 місяців тому +6

    wish i still had all my desert storm trading cards

    • @timhefty504
      @timhefty504 7 місяців тому +2

      I’ve seen them at an antique store

  • @anthonyvais2
    @anthonyvais2 7 місяців тому +23

    FYI Mearsheimer, in his amazing offencive realism is a huge proponent of the Soviet factor and not the bomb ending WWII, same guy who pushes Russian and Chinese Propaganda out of U of Chicago. Sad as he was once a decent Political Scientist

    • @griffins750
      @griffins750 7 місяців тому +7

      I’m mean there are aspects that point to him being partially correct about the Russians playing a part in it.
      Potential History did a video on at one point, and he highlighted that Hirohito made two different speeches calling for surrender, the first for the public discussing the bombs with no mention of the Russians, and the second being aimed at the military with no mention of the bombs and more of a focus on the Russians…
      I don’t know if PT is right I’m not a historian but frankly it’s makes the most sense out of all the arguments I’ve heard for either side, because it actually addresses both sides…

    • @sirboomsalot4902
      @sirboomsalot4902 7 місяців тому

      @@griffins750I agree. One being the reason does not cancel out the other, and we will never know which was more important, but at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter

  • @neimenovani7256
    @neimenovani7256 2 місяці тому +2

    0:20 ok i think that is the fault of the La Li Lu Le Lo

  • @spottskelly
    @spottskelly 7 місяців тому +1

    General Norman Schwarzkopf… Greatest word ever… Bovine scatology 😂

  • @badledgend1172
    @badledgend1172 7 місяців тому +2

    The only armored vehicle lost at 73 easting was a single Bradley.

  • @LeverActionBoi
    @LeverActionBoi 7 місяців тому +6

    Unbroken is one of my favorite books

    • @Mingus_the_dingus
      @Mingus_the_dingus 7 місяців тому

      I think it’s Unbroken

    • @LeverActionBoi
      @LeverActionBoi 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Mingus_the_dingus oh thanks, stupid auto-correct

    • @sophisthemlock246
      @sophisthemlock246 7 місяців тому

      Great book, loved reading it, glad I'm not the only one

    • @heatherandtimsharp
      @heatherandtimsharp 7 місяців тому +1

      His book, “ the devil at my heels” is really good.

    • @LeverActionBoi
      @LeverActionBoi 7 місяців тому +1

      @@heatherandtimsharp thnx, I'll read it

  • @abn1508
    @abn1508 7 місяців тому

    73 Easting. One Bradley to enemy fire. The largest loss wasn't at 73 Easting. It was 4 Bradleys killed by an Aviation LTC who wasn't authorized to engage. (He was the SC but wasn't qualled on ID among other things.) No Blue/Blue at 73E.
    105 hrs

  • @kalrandom7387
    @kalrandom7387 2 місяці тому

    If I'm not mistaken. The one tank that was lost due to friendly fire was fired upon by different country, and then they came up with the NATO symbol that was painted on all vehicles, so no more friendly fire would happen again.
    This was when CNN became the rock star as they started covered the war 24/7, and as somebody who was draft age at the time I paid a whole lot of attention to what was going on. Desert Storm was the best show on TV. Watching the ships blow up somebody continually was UNREAL and very patriotic, then watching American forces moving through and blowing up other stuff and people surrendering to news crews, LMFAO. Yeah, it was a very memorable time. I was so glad others were volunteering, so I didn't have to lose my long hair and THC bloodstream.
    Thanks guys.

  • @Mohawk21-oi1nit
    @Mohawk21-oi1nit 2 місяці тому

    "I don't know where Manchuria is ......but I know their candidate......" That is one for the funny papers!!!!

  • @kellen-KMK
    @kellen-KMK 3 місяці тому

    What episode is this from? I want to watch the whole thing.

  • @esbuenodun
    @esbuenodun 5 місяців тому

    The laugh at 2:20 sent me 😂😂😂

  • @nemo64920a
    @nemo64920a 7 місяців тому +6

    Love these guys

  • @EnergyTRE
    @EnergyTRE 6 місяців тому

    😂😂 2:22 ☠️ that's funny stuff.....

  • @yo388
    @yo388 6 місяців тому

    AC in that hat 😂 I can’t handle it

  • @rondanakamura2655
    @rondanakamura2655 7 місяців тому +12

    Like @tyrschampion471 said, PLEASE cover the difficult parts of WWII NOW. Was it Eisenhower who demanded that the allies photo document the concentration camps because..."later some asshole will try to say it never happened."?
    A starting point would be the Palawan Massacre.
    Just a thought.

  • @thelonelycasualtygaming5526
    @thelonelycasualtygaming5526 7 місяців тому

    This was so damn funny thank you so much 😂😂😂

  • @Sam-pv1hz
    @Sam-pv1hz 5 місяців тому

    An Abrams actually has been lost to combat. Just 1, but it was hit by an RPG in a 1 in a million shot to an exhaust vent or something, and the engine caught fire. The crew ended up having to destroy it with a thermite grenade. It was during a thunder run through, I think, Baghdad.

  • @jimmccue577
    @jimmccue577 7 місяців тому +1

    The interesting fact that gets downplayed most is the firebombing campaign against the Japanese. One single raid on Tokyo & its suburbs killed more people than both A-bombs combined...

  • @PercyMCGaming
    @PercyMCGaming 7 місяців тому

    the book mentioned is called "Unbroken".

  • @calvincoggins2402
    @calvincoggins2402 7 місяців тому +1

    The dude who found the pictures owns a pawn shop in Minnesota

  • @patriciau6277
    @patriciau6277 7 місяців тому +3

    God Bless our service members and veterans.❤️🙏

  • @rhondajones5282
    @rhondajones5282 7 днів тому

    My son has studied martial arts his whole life. Now he is learning to be a blacksmith so he can make his own knives and swords.

  • @Thetasigmaalpha
    @Thetasigmaalpha 5 місяців тому

    The only British tank lost in desert storm was to friendly fire.

  • @Sheriff36
    @Sheriff36 7 місяців тому

    9:57 it should also be noted that the T-72s the Iraqis used were the export model, which was less capable that the Soviet standard. The Soviets used to “politely” call the export models the “monkey models”

  • @EarlDennis-l1l
    @EarlDennis-l1l 29 днів тому

    No one has ever said it better than Art Tu Sun. War is right when u win.

  • @peggykenkel4911
    @peggykenkel4911 6 місяців тому

    The man who wrote unbroken was my family member Louis Zamperini

  • @asparceproton1
    @asparceproton1 5 місяців тому +1

    Nic needs to read Pat Buchanan's book Churchill, Hitler, and The Unnecessary War. There was a lot of stuff happening between the US, Great Britain, and Japan before they decided to bomb Pearl Harbor.

  • @johnb1416
    @johnb1416 7 місяців тому

    Probably the most serious question posted here: where do I find that us flag/camouflage hat?

  • @KnightGravy
    @KnightGravy 7 місяців тому

    I'm still just thinking of the family guy episode, "How could this day get ANY worse?!"

  • @mrheart4242
    @mrheart4242 7 місяців тому +14

    Manchuria China! It was not even a part of Japan. They were still fighting the Chinese. To top it off the user killed as many Chinese soldiers as Japanese.

    • @GloriousShiva42
      @GloriousShiva42 7 місяців тому +2

      They wanted Manchuria for at least 200 years before these events, they fought the Russians on the Manchurian Wastes during the Russo-Japanese War.

    • @mrheart4242
      @mrheart4242 7 місяців тому +3

      @@GloriousShiva42 exactly. The Japanese wanted it for the silk trade. The most durable silk is from there.

  • @realfeeltalktv
    @realfeeltalktv 3 місяці тому

    The ground war in Desert Storm was 98 hours.

  • @JingleStic
    @JingleStic 7 місяців тому +2

    "abrahms stuck in the mud, because some private" HOLD UP NOW!!!!! its because someone did not teach that private properly. I blame their crew chief!!!

  • @CdrChaos
    @CdrChaos Місяць тому

    It’s so weird listening to Grandpa Buff when he’s on the ground.

  • @KrKrypton
    @KrKrypton 7 місяців тому

    I see the windmill of friendship got covered up after Brandon mentioned it!

  • @etlarm5514
    @etlarm5514 7 місяців тому

    Rich reenacting Broke Back Mountain this whole pod is hilarious 😂

  • @chris-zl2us
    @chris-zl2us 7 місяців тому

    "Pick a stan" 😂

  • @sk1ppman
    @sk1ppman 3 місяці тому

    The Friendly Fire incident was likely by a guy who didn't cheat on his eye exam.