I love Vincent's humor, free flowing and low. It takes me by surprise! Explaining how he no longer will judge lines in the supermarket completely caught me off guard, lol!
@@matt-f1c DisplayPort 1.4 caps out at 98Hz for gaming in 4K HDR with full Chroma 4:4:4. Sure you can game higher than 98Hz now in 4K but you sacrifice Chroma 4:4:4 along with I believe HDR if you want to go higher than 120Hz. We need DisplayPort 2.0 to arrive to enjoy 4K HDR 144Hz gaming with full Chroma 4:4:4. HDMI 2.1 will only deliver 4K HDR 120Hz with Chroma 4:4:4 if I'm not mistaken.
Hi, Vincent. I just wanted to let you know that I admire your vernacular pronunciation alterations of the letter “Z” when discussing the European & American Sony model names. It’s a small detail, but one that is much appreciated! Keep up the good work! 👍👍
I wish Samsung would start talking about 8K 120fps using Display Stream Compression. I've read that DSC is extremely low latency, and the image quality loss is minimal. Supposedly the Tokyo Olymics is going to be broadcast in this standard, but one of my biggest worries is that people try to compromise with 60fps instead of 120fps. Once you get to 8K resolution your framerate becomes even more important because Motion Blur is the enemy of Image Sharpness.
eARC is going to play a major role in 2020. All receivers and soundbars do support 4k 120 passthrough as of now and xbox series x and PS5 would definitely support Variable refresh rate and HFR. So if you have eARC on your TV then with these consoles you can connect these consules to your TV and connect reciever to your eARC HDMI input and take advantage of both HFR, VRR and also High quality PCM and dolby atmos from both games and bluray movies
This was brilliant! Thank you so much. Finally someone who will be informative and detailed without bias. This was perfect. Very clearly outlined for us. Don’t worry about a predicting incorrectly. We should just celebrate that it did come out so soon. I didn’t expect it. I don’t think many of us did.
48G bandwidth is important for Console Gamers who plan on upgrading to PS5 or Xbox Next in 2020. It's pretty much guaranteed that 120hz will become the new high end standard for sports games, at least Racing Simulators and Rocket League for sure, but FIFA and Madden "should" be an easy fit for 4K120fps support.
@@daxecutioner24 Part of the point here is that "HDMI 2.1" is a bit of a nebulous concept. Anything with VRR or ALLM technically is "HDMI 2.1", but that doesn't necessitate 4K120 compatibility.
@@daxecutioner24 And yes theoretically Xbox X "Should" be able to do 4K120 right now, just the displays and software to take advantage of it aren't on the market yet. Ideally Microsoft would make a small $5 game just as a proof of concept for people to test their new TVs.
This is beyond wrong. 60FPS has only just barely become a norm for console gaming outside of sports titles. They aren't about to jump from 60 to 120 especially when only a small percentage of televisions can support it.
Variable Refresh Rate is DEFINITELY one of the most important new features. I just got Freesync working on my PC (make sure Image Scaling is done on your GPU and not by the Display) and indeed I can attest that framerate dips to 55fps are totally imperceptible. 50fps is noticeable and 45fps is pretty obvious, you will still "see" framerate dips if they're bad enough, but in terms of overall benefit to the average game there is no doubt that "VRR" (Variable Refresh Rate) is going to be one of the defining technologies of the Next Generation.
I would say that 4K120hz and VRR together would be a critical feature to have, and for anyone interested in Sports and Racing that is definitely the case that 120hz will be a critical feature in a few years, but with common action games the development studios for those products are "very" slow to adopt higher framerates. The average "AAA" game like Assassin's Creed is most likely to live in the 45fps-60fps range using VRR to enable smooth gameplay instead of trying to go "60fps Locked" or above. Basically what we're seeing with Resident Evil 2 Remake on base PS4 today is probably going to become the new standard, where base hardware almost never reaches 60fps, and hardware upgrades around 2025 will boost things to 60fps and above.
You do a fantastic job Vincent. I find your videos to be among the most helpful and have the most practical knowledge for the end user. Great stuff! Keep em coming.
Next gen consoles will do 4K @ 60 fps max for AAA & AA games. Any body expecting 4K @ 120fps is living in denial. So having HDMI 2.1 is good but not having one on your TV set won't be a deal breaker for console gamers.
Get Sony AF8 now or wait for A8G & C9? Does the A8G come with significant improvements affecting daily viewing experience? Is the ALB is still as bad? The ALB is my only concern with getting A8F now.
Sony’s top TVs don’t have HDMI 2.1 including the Oleds , makes the LG C9 worth buying ? I have the 65’ C9 and 55’ C6. What do you recommend? My pric3 limit is $2,600
If you game on consoles, and plan on getting the new Playstation or Xbox, which are coming out in 2020, They use HDMI 2.1 and supposedly support either 8k at 24 hz, or 4K at 120 hz. Since 8k and 4k doesn't really matter as much in actual practical testing as the TV, but 120 hz would make a big difference.
Hi Vincent, As this video is a bit older I thought I ask you again about hdmi 2.1. I bought the Sonos Arc Surround sound system but my tv does only support Dolby digital plus but not Atmos. I am considering buying a new tv now and wondering if it’s enough to buy the TCL 65 C715 (Support D.Atmos but only via HDMI 2.0) or if I should buy the new LG Nano Cell which already has eARC. Do you think I hear a noticeable difference when watching a D Atmos movie on Netflix if I have TV with eARC with the Sonos Arc considering that the streaming quality on Netflix is not the same quality as on a Blue ray dvd??? I would highly appreciate your feedback in this case. Thank you in advance. Sven
hey I have little to no clue when it comes to all this tech stuff so I simply wanted to know is it worth it to buy a 2019 model smart tv? do they already support hdmi 2.1 or should I wait another year or two? 4K and high refresh rate is very important to me especially because of the upcoming ps5 and vr I’d love to hear your advice
Vincent we need that side by side comparison of Dolby vision vs HDR10+ with two Panasonic oleds and two Panasonic 4k Blu-ray players one running Dolby vision the other running HDR 10 plus your the best at this .
Thx 4 that discussion Vincent.. I for one, as an average consumer found the info very helpful.. As to why I'm procrastinating on my television purchase, I will have to get back to you on that... 😎👍
Put it short, what u meant to say it all depends on the source of your content and not the hardware...but its always good to have a ready hardware on standby just in case the source can support higher bandwith
For Xbox One X gamers that use a receiver, it is important to have VRR and eARC. My understanding is you run your game console (Xbox One X supports VRR) to your TV and use eARC to run full sound to your receiver. I don't think a receiver is available that will transmit VRR from console to a TV (if ever). Therefore, to have VRR and best audio quality, a TV that supports VRR and eARC is the way to go for those with a Xbox One X.
I think e-ARC is going to be really crucial as it allows users to use their display as their main hub for devices and the receiver as just a pure audio device. This way, once you have a receiver with e-ARC you don't have to upgrade it every time you buy a new display with new video features.
Finally a mention of eARC and the mandated lip/sync correction. This really needs more focus. Lip sync issues with regular ARC can be really quite bad yet I never see any mention of these issues in reviews. Manufacturers really haven’t been held to account here, LG in particular don’t seem to really give a toss. I really hope eARC solves this issue forever.
As ARC is not specified for being used with HDMI 2.0 connections it's kind of gambling and you are just lucky when it actually works. HDMI 2.1 will specify and standardise this function (forever as you said^^) ... in the meantime I think the safest way is to trust in separate digital sound cables/connections KOAX or Toslink...
Hello sorry to bother you I know you are busy but i have just bought a lg 49sm9000 not the best of tvs but im happy with it any opinions on the calibration?
Such a narrow band of 48-60Hz is only useful for console games that run at 60 fps and never dip under 48 fps. It's totally useless for games that run at 30 fps (most games still at 4K).. I dunno how HDMI 2.1 VRR works exactly but I hope it supports the full range of Hz any TV supporting it runs at..
seems like 2019 HDMI 2.1 is something I really don't need at all at the moment, especially since my 2018 Q8FN already has ALLM and VRR. Looks like I'm good for the next 5-8 years.
Yea but you really don't unless all you ever plan to play is Xbox one x. The "proper" formats will be adopted by the new consoles as well a future pc gpu. There's no guarantee of your set handling these proper devices. But good luck!
Both the AF9 and ZF9 sony TV's from last year support eARC. As i understand it, you need eARC at the TV end and at your AV reciever to get Dolby Atmos to work if you are watching a Netflix or Amazon Prime film/programme that has Dobly Atmos, assuming you are getting the film/program via a ethernet cable or maybe wireless through your TV. Prime has little content with Atmos, we're as Netflix has loads so if your connected via the above to get Atmos, eARC at both ends is essential as is a HDMI cable for HDCP 2.2. The rest of the HDMI 2.1 standard is a waste of time unless you game and i don't.
Hi Vincent, love the channel, thank you for doing all this great work! Will you discuss the topic of A/V receivers in the context of HDMI2.1, or even just A/V receivers in general? I've always been conflicted about whether to connect my sources directly to the TV and rely on ARC to the receiver for sound (which limits me to compressed audio and only 3 sources on my LG, but a cleaner user experience and per-source calibration and mode switching), or whether to hook everything up to the A/V receiver and just use the TV as a monitor (which sometimes causes signal quality issues, especially when passing 4K Dolby Vision through, and forces a single calibration setting for all sources, but allows for the best uncompressed sound and up to 7 sources). There seem to be big tradeoffs either way. What's your preferred setup, and why? What do you think about A/V receivers in general? Would love to see a video on this topic. Thanks & keep up the fantastic work! (FWIW, my setup is a 65" LG E8, a 2016 Denon AVR-X6300H A/V receiver, and 5 sources: cable, Apple TV 4K, PS3, PS4 Pro, and Xbox One X.)
With HDMI 2.1, would it be smart to wait to get a 4K player that has HDMI 2.1 built in, or do you think movies will not fully support this? My current player does not support Dolby Vision, and the C9 I will be buying will obviously have Vision. I want to upgrade to the Panasonic UB820, but I don't want to buy it for an updated player to release in 6-12 months that will have HDMI 2.1 if it will help movies and HDR as well.
I use my TV as a PC monitor so full bandwidth and VRR HDMI 2.1 implementation are a must for my next TV. Still waiting until at least 2020 to get my next set though. Need to wait for a GPU with true HDMI2.1 support anyway and also want to see what the non-OLED high end TVs have to offer in the next couple years in the 50"-ish size range.
so basically I've been waiting HDMI 2.1 for the past 12 months to acknowledge I don't need it; basically if you don't play any video games and don't need eARC, 2.1 is not required.
Not quite ... currently you can say we are just LUCKY for being able to watch Dolby Vision mastered content from UHD Bluray ... because this is NOT standardised with HDMI 2.0b (only HDR10 is) ... but it WILL be with HDMI 2.1. So, with HDMI 2.1 you can buy any player and tv combination and Dolby Vision or HDR10+ will work "out-of-the-box" ... guaranteed. Thanks to OPPO and LG we can enjoy this already since mid of 2017 ... without being standardised...
@@PSYCHOV3N0M eARC is for all people who want to reduce the number of their cables... Without ARC you always have to use TWO cables ... HDMI for video signal PLUS KOAX or TOS-link for the audio signal. It doesn't matter whether an AVR is used or a sound bar...
7:20 - Not really true. Many HTPC media players support VRR in fullscreen mode to ensure no dropped frames or stutters. It also allows you to switch from a 24p source to a 60p source without the screen going blank to change refresh modes. I've tested it with Freesync monitors and I thought how cool it would be when a TV supports VRR.
@@Sh1ekk Not only that, but how fucking bright does anyone need a TV to be? Anyone using their TV inside and not in DIRECT SUNLIGHT shouldn't need their brightness that high.
hi Vincent, i am thinking on buying a samsung NU8000 65 inch or a 65 inch TCL617 if it was up to you , what would you pick. i may buy a xbox one x in the future.
I can see eArc being useful for the FireStick 4K TV and other devices like it. I ran into some issues when trying to connect it directly to my receiver for DTS-HD audio. Maybe the hdmi cable going into the TV was not up to the proper standard but I was running into lower resolutions, sound desyncs, and things that just were not happening when I used the same cable with ARC.
As far as I remember, Samsung 2018 TVs 120hz already have VRR support, so running 1080/1440 @120fps from PC, should be fine. Or I'm wrong? Upd. Watched video till the end. =)
Can you get Dolby Digital plus from a Dolby Digital compatible soundbar that only has 3.1 channels? In the specs it said it can do surround sound and DTS: surround
I’m just as excited about the gaming enhancements HDMI 2.1 brings. But sadly no a/v receivers for this year have full support, and zero have VRR. I don’t see anyone bringing that up as a concern, do that many of you game directly from your console to the tv?
I own Sony full HDTV 1080p with HDMI arc input connected to Yamaha yas108 soundbar via hdmi arc.have connected apple tv 4k with the tv's other hdmi port,Max resolution I get is 1080 p obviously.can I get improved quality sound if I use hdmi 2.1 cable for connection?
Vincent, almost all 4K gaming monitors already support 4K at 120hz (98hz with HDR) through DisplayPort 1.4. Could you please compare the differences between HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4?
So why is this a big thing when Displayport 1.4 seems to, at least for 4k144hz, do what HDMI does already? Especially with Displayport 2.0 coming out sometime soon™ with _much_ more bandwidth than HDMI 2.1?
Sony does the same as ALLM but in the oposite way. you run gamemode on console and cause of the different framerates of movie content, it switches to movie mode and back after you done. so for example on the XE9305 it works the same as ALLM but from the other side of the modes ^^.
I have the Samsung UN49MU7000FXZA bought it brand new in 2017 it still running great my question is will it run the ps5 because im not ready to upgrade just yet at least not until my basement is finished spent 5,200 so far and probably another 2 to 4 grand to get the full bathroom done.
great video, this is why I jumped on the 65c8 @ 1800 usd after tax I COULD NOT pass it up, even knowing 2.1 was looming but the features make no sense as I game on my pc and only use the tv for movies/tv/sports thanks bro keep up the great work I hope you sort out the funding issue you touched on a month ago
@@ayyjayy5018 Thanks. Was this during the last few days? I heard a rumor you can haggle them real good at the tail end of every jan. to meet end of the year targets.
Hey I'm getting a PS5 and I got a Q85R TV I heard the TV has HDMi 2.1 Features I wanted to know will I still get the 4K 120FPS 120HTZ on my TV? I've got a Connect box it says HDMi 2.0 on each 4 Ports but I was Told HDMi 2.0 Port 4 has HDMi 2.1 Features what maybe can bring the best out of Next Gen Gaming?
So, long story short, my countries economy is sinking even faster thanks to covid-19 and I have the chance to buy a 65inch Samsung Q60R now in 18 fixed monthly fees that are somewhat affordable. Any price you can think of, would be almost twice as expensive here and over time my money will be worth less. I know it doesn't have HDMI 2.1, but it does have VRR and although 4k is caped at 60hz, anything below that would be 120hz. And above all else, it has no danger of burn in pixels. I would be switching over from an old 50inch Samsung LED TV UN50F5000. Would you say it is a good purchase?
@@damientech88 Now that the first TV's are appearing on the market supporting VRR over HDMI 2.1 I'm pretty sure future videocards will start to support it as well..
I was waiting for hdmi 2.1 for a long time but gave up. I get dolby vision on my sony x9000f and I get dolby atmos over ARC from netflix. I have an atmos setup and a dolby vision tv anf it gives me everything I could want. I gave up pc gaming which is he only place where hdmi 2.1 would be useful to me. 4k at 60hz with 10/12 bit rgb and hdr would have been great. But that is an absolute niche scenario and you are in an endless hardware race to run the latest games like that.
That's not only a time issue but also a money issue: the C9 - when popped up in the shops in May - will be much more expensive than the C8 currently. As long as you might have the patience to wait another say 9 month it will probably be worth it. Not only due to HDMI 2.1 in the C9, but also because LG in the past always listened to customer needs and reflected them in the new product ... means: the C9 will have some slight but valueable improvements over the C8. So, if waiting for Sep. or Oct. is fine for you...it will probably be worth it.
So so helpful, just having coronary after buying LG B9 and wondering if I need to find an AVR to make use of all the HDMI 2.1 features. You put my mind a rest
I am happy with hdr10 and 4K 60fps. I need VRR and EARC more than any other features...will any software update give the above two features to hdmi 2.0 TVs?
Netflix supports Atmos (E-ARC) for a handful of TVs. My KS8500 is not one of them. However, AppleTV 4K resolves that issue. Nonetheless, I shouldn’t have to buy a separate streaming box just to get Netflix or Amazon Video in Atmos.
Thanks Vinny for another value content video. Here's my view from someone who is streaming junkie (Netflix) and console gamer. Both of my sources of content may change from month to month to year (Netflix may give option to people with high internet bw loss less, Sony/Xbox releasing new consoles with shorter cycles). If I am to pay for a premium OLED I expect to keep for at least 6-7 years. The specifications are out, chipset out...sorry no excuse for manufacturers to not have this in their roadmap for flagship models. It's just lazy planning. I'll wait for 2019 for more options (ahem receiver manufacturers---hello).
And HDMI 2.1 finally allows panels to display 10 bit 4:4:4 RGB/YUV color without sub sampling, resulting in less color banding/artifacts that have plagued various content on 10bit panels throttled by HDMI 2.0's 18gbps.
I've been saying this for a while, we already have some of the best hdmi 2.1 features in 2018 Samsung TV's and xbox one x, unless you need 4k/120hz and if you have a system that supports it.
Hello Vincent. What if someone wants to play a downloaded file via usb connection through the TV app itself and the downloaded file has Dolby Atmos or DTS hd. Is earc important in that case ? And if yes is hdmi arc upgradable to earc via Firmware update?
Vincent the 2017 LG OLEDS have had an update 05.80.15 which has caused any 4k 50hz device plugged in via HDMI 2.0 to get WASHED OUT colours (desaturation bug) ... Can you please test this out yourself and see if you can get LG to fix this bug.
@@pioneer2321 @ lets be honest!!.. of what nursing your bias butthurt... come on.. move on a relate to reality and deal with it...LCD smearing, LCD ghosting, LCD off axis sftifting, LCD light bleed.. etc etc.. if you prefer that then buy yourself an LCD.. no panel tech is perfect, but hence picture quality we see from LG WOLED panels are the closest by fare, perhaps a new tech also with black control on a pixel level will change that picture, but thats not the case these years for the avarage consumer....
so what your saying is to avoid the line with old lady and 2.1 is not really needed especially if you already have vrr and game mode and using an av receiver. future proofing doesn't really work since something new is always coming out
- Dynamic HDR: 2:00
- Higher bandwidth/ frame rate/ resolution: 3:35
- Variable refresh rate (VRR): 6:47
- Auto low latency mode (ALLM): 7:39
- Enhanced ARC (eARC): 9:39
- TV brand overview table: 13:19
No times stamps need it! I'll enjoy the whole 🔔Ding.
VRR: i think it’s the opposite, it syncs monitor refresh to the game framerate (which can vary)
@@RobNomad you think or you know?
Rob Nomad is correct... we misspoke in the video. :-)
You forgot to expand on QMS, sadly. Super important feature for JVC owners^^
I don't think I can forgive you for that procrastination joke. 10/10 man. 10 out of 10.
Variable refresh rate for me is the game changer in the right here right now in 2019.
What is the range of VRR? How low and high does it go?
@@adamaxelsson7414 If it goes from 48 fps then everything is good. As most games hover 50-60fps
No, its goes lower than 48fps with lower resolutions than 4k.
Exactly. I'm happy with my low cost LG but the tearing with games is more noticeable than a conventional PC monitor.
Same for me. But a/v receivers need to support it too. Haven’t seen any yet, probably 2020. Just as well that’s going to be an expensive upgrade.
I love Vincent's humor, free flowing and low. It takes me by surprise! Explaining how he no longer will judge lines in the supermarket completely caught me off guard, lol!
4k 120hz, low latency and vrr is important to me.
I'm really looking forward to high refresh rate 4k gaming. Now if video cards could come with HDMI 2.1 already...
What video cards come with HDMI 2.1 ??
I think display port will be good enough for 4k/120hz
Yeah, I spend more time PC gaming on my bigscreen TV these days than I do watching all of the cringey content on Netflix.
Where will this content come from though?
@@matt-f1c DisplayPort 1.4 caps out at 98Hz for gaming in 4K HDR with full Chroma 4:4:4. Sure you can game higher than 98Hz now in 4K but you sacrifice Chroma 4:4:4 along with I believe HDR if you want to go higher than 120Hz.
We need DisplayPort 2.0 to arrive to enjoy 4K HDR 144Hz gaming with full Chroma 4:4:4. HDMI 2.1 will only deliver 4K HDR 120Hz with Chroma 4:4:4 if I'm not mistaken.
Hi, Vincent. I just wanted to let you know that I admire your vernacular pronunciation alterations of the letter “Z” when discussing the European & American Sony model names. It’s a small detail, but one that is much appreciated! Keep up the good work! 👍👍
...But I'll tell you about them later. Lol, classic joke.
jeffreyprovo lol
I read the comment first and didn’t get it but once I heard it...oh man, it was fkn funny hahaha
I wish Samsung would start talking about 8K 120fps using Display Stream Compression.
I've read that DSC is extremely low latency, and the image quality loss is minimal. Supposedly the Tokyo Olymics is going to be broadcast in this standard, but one of my biggest worries is that people try to compromise with 60fps instead of 120fps. Once you get to 8K resolution your framerate becomes even more important because Motion Blur is the enemy of Image Sharpness.
It's very nice of you to apologize for your wrong prediction. You are a honest and brave man.
Wow actually had me laughing with the procrastinating. How do you not smile during the delivery? Lol
Dead pan dry humor - his style.
He's a pro lol
eARC is going to play a major role in 2020. All receivers and soundbars do support 4k 120 passthrough as of now and xbox series x and PS5 would definitely support Variable refresh rate and HFR. So if you have eARC on your TV then with these consoles you can connect these consules to your TV and connect reciever to your eARC HDMI input and take advantage of both HFR, VRR and also High quality PCM and dolby atmos from both games and bluray movies
You cleared up a lot more than you confused me. Thank you.
It makes a refreshing difference to get this VERY good information from a professional calibrator! Thank you!
This was brilliant! Thank you so much. Finally someone who will be informative and detailed without bias. This was perfect. Very clearly outlined for us. Don’t worry about a predicting incorrectly. We should just celebrate that it did come out so soon. I didn’t expect it. I don’t think many of us did.
Quick Frame Transport and Quick Media Switching are interesting features as well.
48G bandwidth is important for Console Gamers who plan on upgrading to PS5 or Xbox Next in 2020.
It's pretty much guaranteed that 120hz will become the new high end standard for sports games, at least Racing Simulators and Rocket League for sure, but FIFA and Madden "should" be an easy fit for 4K120fps support.
Bud The Cyborg essentially you’re saying get a TV with hdmi 2.1?
Bud The Cyborg madden or 2k 4K at 60fps? On the X?
@@daxecutioner24 Part of the point here is that "HDMI 2.1" is a bit of a nebulous concept. Anything with VRR or ALLM technically is "HDMI 2.1", but that doesn't necessitate 4K120 compatibility.
@@daxecutioner24 And yes theoretically Xbox X "Should" be able to do 4K120 right now, just the displays and software to take advantage of it aren't on the market yet.
Ideally Microsoft would make a small $5 game just as a proof of concept for people to test their new TVs.
This is beyond wrong. 60FPS has only just barely become a norm for console gaming outside of sports titles. They aren't about to jump from 60 to 120 especially when only a small percentage of televisions can support it.
Variable Refresh Rate is DEFINITELY one of the most important new features.
I just got Freesync working on my PC (make sure Image Scaling is done on your GPU and not by the Display) and indeed I can attest that framerate dips to 55fps are totally imperceptible. 50fps is noticeable and 45fps is pretty obvious, you will still "see" framerate dips if they're bad enough, but in terms of overall benefit to the average game there is no doubt that "VRR" (Variable Refresh Rate) is going to be one of the defining technologies of the Next Generation.
I would say that 4K120hz and VRR together would be a critical feature to have, and for anyone interested in Sports and Racing that is definitely the case that 120hz will be a critical feature in a few years, but with common action games the development studios for those products are "very" slow to adopt higher framerates. The average "AAA" game like Assassin's Creed is most likely to live in the 45fps-60fps range using VRR to enable smooth gameplay instead of trying to go "60fps Locked" or above.
Basically what we're seeing with Resident Evil 2 Remake on base PS4 today is probably going to become the new standard, where base hardware almost never reaches 60fps, and hardware upgrades around 2025 will boost things to 60fps and above.
No, it won't be, because gamers make up a very small percentage of people that buy TVs.
I totally love all your you tube vids. Keep it up 🤘
You do a fantastic job Vincent. I find your videos to be among the most helpful and have the most practical knowledge for the end user. Great stuff! Keep em coming.
Next gen consoles will do 4K @ 60 fps max for AAA & AA games. Any body expecting 4K @ 120fps is living in denial. So having HDMI 2.1 is good but not having one on your TV set won't be a deal breaker for console gamers.
lol
So true I have a tv from 2017 and it still going strong game looks great run smooth no need for a new tv for at least 2 years
PS4 Pro already has 4k at 60 fps for games like fortnite. Expect PS5 to support fortnite at 4k 120fps
Get Sony AF8 now or wait for A8G & C9?
Does the A8G come with significant improvements affecting daily viewing experience? Is the ALB is still as bad?
The ALB is my only concern with getting A8F now.
Sony’s top TVs don’t have HDMI 2.1 including the Oleds , makes the LG C9 worth buying ? I have the 65’ C9 and 55’ C6. What do you recommend? My pric3 limit is $2,600
If you game on consoles, and plan on getting the new Playstation or Xbox, which are coming out in 2020, They use HDMI 2.1 and supposedly support either 8k at 24 hz, or 4K at 120 hz. Since 8k and 4k doesn't really matter as much in actual practical testing as the TV, but 120 hz would make a big difference.
Hi Vincent,
As this video is a bit older I thought I ask you again about hdmi 2.1. I bought the Sonos Arc Surround sound system but my tv does only support Dolby digital plus but not Atmos. I am considering buying a new tv now and wondering if it’s enough to buy the TCL 65 C715 (Support D.Atmos but only via HDMI 2.0) or if I should buy the new LG Nano Cell which already has eARC. Do you think I hear a noticeable difference when watching a D Atmos movie on Netflix if I have TV with eARC with the Sonos Arc considering that the streaming quality on Netflix is not the same quality as on a Blue ray dvd???
I would highly appreciate your feedback in this case. Thank you in advance.
Sven
Been waiting for 2.1 for ages now.
Mostly looking forward to higher frame rates and also variable refresh!
hey I have little to no clue when it comes to all this tech stuff so I simply wanted to know is it worth it to buy a 2019 model smart tv? do they already support hdmi 2.1 or should I wait another year or two? 4K and high refresh rate is very important to me
especially because of the upcoming ps5 and vr
I’d love to hear your advice
Vincent we need that side by side comparison of Dolby vision vs HDR10+ with two Panasonic oleds and two Panasonic 4k Blu-ray players one running Dolby vision the other running HDR 10 plus your the best at this .
Thx 4 that discussion Vincent.. I for one, as an average consumer found the info very helpful.. As to why I'm procrastinating on my television purchase, I will have to get back to you on that... 😎👍
Put it short, what u meant to say it all depends on the source of your content and not the hardware...but its always good to have a ready hardware on standby just in case the source can support higher bandwith
For Xbox One X gamers that use a receiver, it is important to have VRR and eARC. My understanding is you run your game console (Xbox One X supports VRR) to your TV and use eARC to run full sound to your receiver. I don't think a receiver is available that will transmit VRR from console to a TV (if ever). Therefore, to have VRR and best audio quality, a TV that supports VRR and eARC is the way to go for those with a Xbox One X.
I think e-ARC is going to be really crucial as it allows users to use their display as their main hub for devices and the receiver as just a pure audio device. This way, once you have a receiver with e-ARC you don't have to upgrade it every time you buy a new display with new video features.
I don't care about gaming refresh rates or whatever . What 4k tv i should go for ? I would like the tvs system os to be clean as well
You are such a PRO! 👍
Great explanation, thank you!
Finally a mention of eARC and the mandated lip/sync correction. This really needs more focus. Lip sync issues with regular ARC can be really quite bad yet I never see any mention of these issues in reviews. Manufacturers really haven’t been held to account here, LG in particular don’t seem to really give a toss. I really hope eARC solves this issue forever.
As ARC is not specified for being used with HDMI 2.0 connections it's kind of gambling and you are just lucky when it actually works.
HDMI 2.1 will specify and standardise this function (forever as you said^^) ... in the meantime I think the safest way is to trust in separate digital sound cables/connections KOAX or Toslink...
Lol! Wondering if anyone watched even the Shane moment. Great stuff. Your poker face is legendary.
Hello sorry to bother you I know you are busy but i have just bought a lg 49sm9000 not the best of tvs but im happy with it any opinions on the calibration?
Are LG going to support Apple Airplay 2 soon ?
I'm definitely considering a 2019 OLED as a PC monitor once a graphics card with HDMI 2.1 comes out.
Yea in the next genereation of cards at that point the t.v. will be old
Just wait for a oled monitor that will release this year
@@NexGenTek Yes, I'll be getting the Alienware that uses the 55" LG panel with DisplayPort until then
@@Eliteownage I need to see reviews for it first and I'll only get it if I can get a warranty for it through best buy for burn in reasons..
@@NexGenTek You won't get any burn in if you use it correctly , I playing on my OLED C8 a lot and use it as desktop monitor every day.
I want every feature. Improvements are the result of a proper blend.
how about console gaming? for the upcoming ps5, will VRR be really useful? will frame rates be dropping and cause the screen to tear?
We already have 4k HDR VRR 48Hz-60Hz with Fressync 2 over HDMI 2.0 with 2018 QLED. I'll be happy with this for 3 more years.
its 1440p
Such a narrow band of 48-60Hz is only useful for console games that run at 60 fps and never dip under 48 fps. It's totally useless for games that run at 30 fps (most games still at 4K).. I dunno how HDMI 2.1 VRR works exactly but I hope it supports the full range of Hz any TV supporting it runs at..
inflatable2 . Hope HDMI 2.1 supports wide VRR range, say from 20 to full range
I recommend listening at 0.75 speed.
Sounds like my friend after he smoked indica 'dro
While I recommend listing at 1.25 speed.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven wtf .75 and 1.25 is easier to listen than normal speed...
Kool Kendall lol AAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA
Bimmy Lee why hhhh does Vincent really speaks like a robot 🤖? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your rant about the predictions at the end, has me dying laughing....
seems like 2019 HDMI 2.1 is something I really don't need at all at the moment, especially since my 2018 Q8FN already has ALLM and VRR. Looks like I'm good for the next 5-8 years.
Yea but you really don't unless all you ever plan to play is Xbox one x.
The "proper" formats will be adopted by the new consoles as well a future pc gpu.
There's no guarantee of your set handling these proper devices.
But good luck!
120Hz connection to PC/PS5/XboxNext is very important near future, not just only gaming, but for other non-gaming uses.
Both the AF9 and ZF9 sony TV's from last year support eARC. As i understand it, you need eARC at the TV end and at your AV reciever to get Dolby Atmos to work if you are watching a Netflix or Amazon Prime film/programme that has Dobly Atmos, assuming you are getting the film/program via a ethernet cable or maybe wireless through your TV. Prime has little content with Atmos, we're as Netflix has loads so if your connected via the above to get Atmos, eARC at both ends is essential as is a HDMI cable for HDCP 2.2.
The rest of the HDMI 2.1 standard is a waste of time unless you game and i don't.
Hi Vincent, love the channel, thank you for doing all this great work!
Will you discuss the topic of A/V receivers in the context of HDMI2.1, or even just A/V receivers in general? I've always been conflicted about whether to connect my sources directly to the TV and rely on ARC to the receiver for sound (which limits me to compressed audio and only 3 sources on my LG, but a cleaner user experience and per-source calibration and mode switching), or whether to hook everything up to the A/V receiver and just use the TV as a monitor (which sometimes causes signal quality issues, especially when passing 4K Dolby Vision through, and forces a single calibration setting for all sources, but allows for the best uncompressed sound and up to 7 sources). There seem to be big tradeoffs either way. What's your preferred setup, and why? What do you think about A/V receivers in general? Would love to see a video on this topic. Thanks & keep up the fantastic work!
(FWIW, my setup is a 65" LG E8, a 2016 Denon AVR-X6300H A/V receiver, and 5 sources: cable, Apple TV 4K, PS3, PS4 Pro, and Xbox One X.)
Attila Bodis I also would love to see this covered.
Does the 2.1 no give better quality Atmos sounds and DTS through e- arc????
With HDMI 2.1, would it be smart to wait to get a 4K player that has HDMI 2.1 built in, or do you think movies will not fully support this? My current player does not support Dolby Vision, and the C9 I will be buying will obviously have Vision. I want to upgrade to the Panasonic UB820, but I don't want to buy it for an updated player to release in 6-12 months that will have HDMI 2.1 if it will help movies and HDR as well.
Butter Man hdmi 2.1 brings nothing to the table for movies. It would primarily be used for 8k disks which honestly I don’t think is coming at all.
I use my TV as a PC monitor so full bandwidth and VRR HDMI 2.1 implementation are a must for my next TV.
Still waiting until at least 2020 to get my next set though. Need to wait for a GPU with true HDMI2.1 support anyway and also want to see what the non-OLED high end TVs have to offer in the next couple years in the 50"-ish size range.
so basically I've been waiting HDMI 2.1 for the past 12 months to acknowledge I don't need it; basically if you don't play any video games and don't need eARC, 2.1 is not required.
Not quite ... currently you can say we are just LUCKY for being able to watch Dolby Vision mastered content from UHD Bluray ... because this is NOT standardised with HDMI 2.0b (only HDR10 is) ... but it WILL be with HDMI 2.1.
So, with HDMI 2.1 you can buy any player and tv combination and Dolby Vision or HDR10+ will work "out-of-the-box" ... guaranteed.
Thanks to OPPO and LG we can enjoy this already since mid of 2017 ... without being standardised...
Marcus Cole why do you say Dolby Digital is not supported with HDMI 2.0b? It’s not a feature of HDMI standard... I’m confused.
@@mauriziocassano I wrote Dolby Vision ... not Dolby Digital...
eARC is mainly for people who don't want to spend money on an AV receiver and prefer to use an upcoming eARC soundbar.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M eARC is for all people who want to reduce the number of their cables...
Without ARC you always have to use TWO cables ... HDMI for video signal PLUS KOAX or TOS-link for the audio signal. It doesn't matter whether an AVR is used or a sound bar...
Higher bandwidth is the most important thing in my opinion because it enables all of the other new things.
7:20 - Not really true. Many HTPC media players support VRR in fullscreen mode to ensure no dropped frames or stutters. It also allows you to switch from a 24p source to a 60p source without the screen going blank to change refresh modes. I've tested it with Freesync monitors and I thought how cool it would be when a TV supports VRR.
You crack me up, man :)... new sub.. abstract humor delivered in deadpan way for the win :)
Vrr and 120hz are impotant to me im saving for a c9 and one thing im interested in is to see if both vrr and bfi works at the same time.
Unlikely, but if would be incredible if it did. There are engineers out there trying to figure out a way to do it.
I advise you to stay away from OLED tvs due to burn-in and the WEAK HDR peak brightness from OLED.
Go Samsung if you want VRR.
@@Sh1ekk Not only that, but how fucking bright does anyone need a TV to be? Anyone using their TV inside and not in DIRECT SUNLIGHT shouldn't need their brightness that high.
hi Vincent,
i am thinking on buying a samsung NU8000 65 inch or a 65 inch TCL617 if it was up to you , what would you pick.
i may buy a xbox one x in the future.
im thinking of buying LG 55 sm9010 which supports hdmi 2.1 is this a good choice for pc gaming?
You answered everything I needed to know, thank you!
I can see eArc being useful for the FireStick 4K TV and other devices like it. I ran into some issues when trying to connect it directly to my receiver for DTS-HD audio. Maybe the hdmi cable going into the TV was not up to the proper standard but I was running into lower resolutions, sound desyncs, and things that just were not happening when I used the same cable with ARC.
im assuming 18 gig cable is sufficient enough for a non earc 5.1 soundbar would a ultra cable have any benefit at all on hdmi 2.0 ports?
VRR is already available (through firmware updates) on most 2018 Samsung QLED's and LG's 8-series OLED's.
As far as I remember, Samsung 2018 TVs 120hz already have VRR support, so running 1080/1440 @120fps from PC, should be fine. Or I'm wrong?
Upd. Watched video till the end. =)
Can you get Dolby Digital plus from a Dolby Digital compatible soundbar that only has 3.1 channels? In the specs it said it can do surround sound and DTS: surround
Yes but can't you use the 2.1 cable in future systems?
17:43 savage mode on
at that speed he looks like he is on coke lol
@@dimitrios0072 What speed?
I’m just as excited about the gaming enhancements HDMI 2.1 brings. But sadly no a/v receivers for this year have full support, and zero have VRR. I don’t see anyone bringing that up as a concern, do that many of you game directly from your console to the tv?
Denon will be implementing 2.1 on its current higher end receivers.
Most people don't have a/v receivers.
@@serpserpserp That always surprises me. Purchase a top tier display, then using a sound bar at most for audio.
eARC solves the problem. Connect everything to your new TV, it will display your video and send your audio to your AV receiver
2018 Samsung high end already has the support.
I own Sony full HDTV 1080p with HDMI arc input connected to Yamaha yas108 soundbar via hdmi arc.have connected apple tv 4k with the tv's other hdmi port,Max resolution I get is 1080 p obviously.can I get improved quality sound if I use hdmi 2.1 cable for connection?
I totally love watching your video and value your opinion!
Thank you Vincent!!! 🙏
Vincent, almost all 4K gaming monitors already support 4K at 120hz (98hz with HDR) through DisplayPort 1.4. Could you please compare the differences between HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4?
So why is this a big thing when Displayport 1.4 seems to, at least for 4k144hz, do what HDMI does already? Especially with Displayport 2.0 coming out sometime soon™ with _much_ more bandwidth than HDMI 2.1?
A very useful video. Thank you very much. Since I am not gaming on my TV I can buy my Sony without missing important features. I am really delighted!
Sony does the same as ALLM but in the oposite way. you run gamemode on console and cause of the different framerates of movie content, it switches to movie mode and back after you done. so for example on the XE9305 it works the same as ALLM but from the other side of the modes ^^.
Maybe you don't need g-sync, i'm testing RTSS + Vsync + NVIDIA Fast Sync and Ultra Low Latency, looks smooth as g-sync but less input lag.
I have the Samsung UN49MU7000FXZA bought it brand new in 2017 it still running great my question is will it run the ps5 because im not ready to upgrade just yet at least not until my basement is finished spent 5,200 so far and probably another 2 to 4 grand to get the full bathroom done.
Bro this is a much needed video!!!!
Can VRR not help mitigate judder in displaying 24 fps video content? What if the display refreshes at a perfect 24 hertz?
great video, this is why I jumped on the 65c8 @ 1800 usd after tax I COULD NOT pass it up, even knowing 2.1 was looming but the features make no sense as I game on my pc and only use the tv for movies/tv/sports thanks bro keep up the great work I hope you sort out the funding issue you touched on a month ago
That's a great deal! Where'd you get it at that price? Was it brand new and from an authorized retailer?
@@tuberoako777 in Canada from Best Buy, I pulled a once in a lifetime sort of thing so I couldn't pass up regardless of any HDMI improvements etc
@@ayyjayy5018 Thanks. Was this during the last few days? I heard a rumor you can haggle them real good at the tail end of every jan. to meet end of the year targets.
@@tuberoako777 it was late november, and it was a serious one time thing I pulled off haha probably could never do it again
@@ayyjayy5018 Amazing ymmv deal.
Hey I'm getting a PS5 and I got a Q85R TV I heard the TV has HDMi 2.1 Features I wanted to know will I still get the 4K 120FPS 120HTZ on my TV? I've got a Connect box it says HDMi 2.0 on each 4 Ports but I was Told HDMi 2.0 Port 4 has HDMi 2.1 Features what maybe can bring the best out of Next Gen Gaming?
So, long story short, my countries economy is sinking even faster thanks to covid-19 and I have the chance to buy a 65inch Samsung Q60R now in 18 fixed monthly fees that are somewhat affordable.
Any price you can think of, would be almost twice as expensive here and over time my money will be worth less.
I know it doesn't have HDMI 2.1, but it does have VRR and although 4k is caped at 60hz, anything below that would be 120hz.
And above all else, it has no danger of burn in pixels.
I would be switching over from an old 50inch Samsung LED TV UN50F5000.
Would you say it is a good purchase?
they just need to add hdmi 2.1 to gpus. or display port to tvs
Yeah, Nvidia supports VRR now but only via displayport. :-\
@@damientech88 Now that the first TV's are appearing on the market supporting VRR over HDMI 2.1 I'm pretty sure future videocards will start to support it as well..
We need DisplayPort 1.5 AND HDMI 2.1 for GPUs
Yeah display ports in TVs would be nice.
Maybe not from a vendor viewpoint
AMD already supports it since Vega.
I was waiting for hdmi 2.1 for a long time but gave up.
I get dolby vision on my sony x9000f and I get dolby atmos over ARC from netflix.
I have an atmos setup and a dolby vision tv anf it gives me everything I could want.
I gave up pc gaming which is he only place where hdmi 2.1 would be useful to me. 4k at 60hz with 10/12 bit rgb and hdr would have been great. But that is an absolute niche scenario and you are in an endless hardware race to run the latest games like that.
I am currently looking at the C8/E8 and now conflicted with 2019 models coming, recommend waiting for new models? Thanks!
That's not only a time issue but also a money issue: the C9 - when popped up in the shops in May - will be much more expensive than the C8 currently.
As long as you might have the patience to wait another say 9 month it will probably be worth it. Not only due to HDMI 2.1 in the C9, but also because LG in the past always listened to customer needs and reflected them in the new product ... means: the C9 will have some slight but valueable improvements over the C8.
So, if waiting for Sep. or Oct. is fine for you...it will probably be worth it.
So so helpful, just having coronary after buying LG B9 and wondering if I need to find an AVR to make use of all the HDMI 2.1 features. You put my mind a rest
I am happy with hdr10 and 4K 60fps. I need VRR and EARC more than any other features...will any software update give the above two features to hdmi 2.0 TVs?
I think all these companies need to stop focusing on 8k and focus on how to stop uniformity issues with their goddamn TVs!!!!
preach
True dat
Amin to that!!!
Nah, that would make too much sense.
@@brandon9638 facts
Quick Media Switching is the most important feature for me. i can't wait to switch between channels and inputs in an instant.
So other than HDMI 2.1, I should just buy last years model of LG? Will be cheap this Super Bowl weekend!
Netflix supports Atmos (E-ARC) for a handful of TVs. My KS8500 is not one of them. However, AppleTV 4K resolves that issue. Nonetheless, I shouldn’t have to buy a separate streaming box just to get Netflix or Amazon Video in Atmos.
Great video do you think if the new consoles coming out if the have 2.1hdmi will they work on tv's with hdmi 2.0
Yes absolutely
@@kyletennant4730 ok cool
Thanks Vinny for another value content video. Here's my view from someone who is streaming junkie (Netflix) and console gamer. Both of my sources of content may change from month to month to year (Netflix may give option to people with high internet bw loss less, Sony/Xbox releasing new consoles with shorter cycles).
If I am to pay for a premium OLED I expect to keep for at least 6-7 years. The specifications are out, chipset out...sorry no excuse for manufacturers to not have this in their roadmap for flagship models. It's just lazy planning. I'll wait for 2019 for more options (ahem receiver manufacturers---hello).
The video what I was seeking for my questions. I have decided to stick with 2.0
And HDMI 2.1 finally allows panels to display 10 bit 4:4:4 RGB/YUV color without sub sampling, resulting in less color banding/artifacts that have plagued various content on 10bit panels throttled by HDMI 2.0's 18gbps.
Is this 2.1 backwards compatible and is it still ok to use with a PS4 slim with a tu8000?
I’m needing a video from UHDTVTest!
So do we... so do we.
HDTVTest lol ! Please get your hands on the new Hisense double panel screens. I think the Technology could be amazing if implemented correctly.
I've been saying this for a while, we already have some of the best hdmi 2.1 features in 2018 Samsung TV's and xbox one x, unless you need 4k/120hz and if you have a system that supports it.
Hello Vincent. What if someone wants to play a downloaded file via usb connection through the TV app itself and the downloaded file has Dolby Atmos or DTS hd. Is earc important in that case ? And if yes is hdmi arc upgradable to earc via Firmware update?
Thx for another great video.
BTw,. there is a new sony firmware update any thoughts on that? Thanks a lot.
What movie was playing towards the end of the video? Looked like a space movie 16:00
Vincent the 2017 LG OLEDS have had an update 05.80.15 which has caused any 4k 50hz device plugged in via HDMI 2.0 to get WASHED OUT colours (desaturation bug) ...
Can you please test this out yourself and see if you can get LG to fix this bug.
Kailem Jones We have reported this issue to LG, hopefully they'll investigate.
Let’s be honest these LG oled TVs deteriorate very quickly. And they have horrible uniformity from day one. So what was you expecting.
@@pioneer2321 @ lets be honest!!.. of what nursing your bias butthurt... come on.. move on a relate to reality and deal with it...LCD smearing, LCD ghosting, LCD off axis sftifting, LCD light bleed.. etc etc.. if you prefer that then buy yourself an LCD.. no panel tech is perfect, but hence picture quality we see from LG WOLED panels are the closest by fare, perhaps a new tech also with black control on a pixel level will change that picture, but thats not the case these years for the avarage consumer....
Jakob I hate lcd.
@@pioneer2321 Rubbish 2015 panel still going strong after 5000 hrs in perfect condition, no burn in or Oled light degredation.
so what your saying is to avoid the line with old lady and 2.1 is not really needed especially if you already have vrr and game mode and using an av receiver. future proofing doesn't really work since something new is always coming out