@@Overlordsen Ah that explains hehe. Well if you are in Melbourne we have fortnigh game meetup in the city. There are also other lovely people that organise this sorta thing, and certainly my friend Luke here like to play Avalon and would host the game alot hehe
@@Overlordsen Maybe try Coup? It's also a social deduction game from the same designer that plays best with five people, up to six. It also has an expansion pack where you can increase the player count up to eight, in case you do end up finding more people.
Quest is actually very new player friendly. Just play the suggested base characters first without the Blind Hunter. It's actually harder to teach Avalon or even The Resistance because no one gets the voting mechanic.
I've heard that the rules are not so balanced.. Does Luke recommend playing with original rules or with directors cut rules? And where is the difference if I may ask?
The main difference is that, in the Director's Cut, there are always equal or MORE players on the evil team than the good team. This is balanced by tweaking a few of the other rules, such as the player count for each mission. For players familiar with Avalon (i.e. good always outnumber evil) I would suggest they start with the DC because it gives a new and unique experience. For players unfamiliar with Avalon... go and play Avalon.
Thanks for the game chat, i love the resistance/avalon, i would say it's one of favorite games of all time. my family really enjoys playing avalon as well, even though they likely only get about 85% of the game/strategy and we often have some new player who is missing some of the nuances of the game. I backed the KS edition and think the production value is great, but I found the game rules to be convoluted. Even as a 'seasoned' gamer and game explainer i find avalon to be a hard teach and as noted in your video Quest is even more convoluted since it has exceptions that need to be tracked. I came to this video with hopes of a rules review, and i appreciate the brief walk through. i'm very interested to try this now though after watching your video, the non voting aspect seems like a good way to streamline the game.
Hi James, thank you for coming over! Good that your family enjoy it. Yeah depending on the group you may have different strategy, seasoned gamers even in different group may have different strategy. Hopefully you get to try Quest, after you are used to Avalon it might be a fresh way to play the game that you love.
@@mrdarlok So what was the outcome, and what did you think of Quest. You must have played it now in the past 9 months, and you said you'd follow up with your thoughts.
@@jestrada123 sadly i havent played it yet :( i did see the no rolls barred crew play it on their channel though and feel more confident i can teach/run a game now though!
So our group has played an absurd amount of Avalon, and we were really looking forward to this game. However we are really struggling to find a good balance between good and bad. We have the Avalon Big Box Edition so presumably we have every role/feature available to Quest. Do you have any recommendations for a balanced match? Regular or Director's Cut, any player count. We've played 4, 5, 6, and 7 players. What we have found is that without the Blind Hunter, it's too easy for the good guys to identify the bad guys. And with the Blind Hunter, it's too easy to identify 2 good roles to confidently snipe. We're seasoned deception players so we know how to not be overly obvious with our roles, but roles like characters like Youth and Troublemaker make it really hard to maintain role ambiguity amongst the good guys. Everyone (you included) says Blind Hunter is almost mandatory, but we have played a ton of recommended variations and it basically always leans in favor of the bad guys for us.
I actually disagree that the Blind Hunter is a mandatory inclusion, especially in games with a Trouble Maker. As you said, it's too easy to identify at least 2 good characters as it is (especially at higher player counts), and even in the worst case scenario, a shot in the dark on one that you're 50/50 on can still create rug-pull wins. However, if the Trouble Maker is ever investigated, the Blind Hunter will know his identity guaranteed, as villains know each other, and there would be no logical reason for a good guy to accuse another good guy of being a villain, unless the investigated player was the Trouble Maker. Ultimately I think Quest's biggest downfall is that it tries to add too many new parts to an already-working machine.
Thank you for this. I grabbed a copy because of this video and my love for the artist of Quest. Wish this game were more popular and that the rules weren’t such an absolute mess!
I’ve played thousands of Avalon and it gets monotonous. Do you think any Quest character can be included in the regular Avalon so that it gets more spicy?
Yes! Well, some. The trouble maker can be included, but only when the “lady of the lake” is used. Cleric can be used though instead of Merlin. The duke is only used if you’re playing with good’s last chance instead of assassinations. Youth canNOT be used at all. The lunatic can be used for sure. Blind hunter is the replacement for assassin. Morgan le Faye can be used if you like how she looks. Otherwise not. Bragger, yes. You get the point. If it uses the magic token, no. If it needs the amulets, yes. But if it is used in goods last chance, NO!
Have you played Avalon, or even Quest yet?
In my group sadly it turns out to be really difficult to gather more than five people at the same time to play a game together.
@@Overlordsen Awww so sorry about that. Hope there are some public game meetup to help with that?
@@MeepleUniversity Im new in the place where I live now but its probably a good idea to look out for something like that, thank you! ;)
@@Overlordsen Ah that explains hehe. Well if you are in Melbourne we have fortnigh game meetup in the city. There are also other lovely people that organise this sorta thing, and certainly my friend Luke here like to play Avalon and would host the game alot hehe
@@Overlordsen Maybe try Coup? It's also a social deduction game from the same designer that plays best with five people, up to six. It also has an expansion pack where you can increase the player count up to eight, in case you do end up finding more people.
Quest is actually very new player friendly. Just play the suggested base characters first without the Blind Hunter. It's actually harder to teach Avalon or even The Resistance because no one gets the voting mechanic.
Thanks for sharing!🙏
What are some social deduction games you would recommend for beginners?
Coup is probably a good one to start. Then there are a few others that has other elements, like Saboteour
One Night Ultimate Werewolf,
Coup,
Secret Hitler
I've heard that the rules are not so balanced.. Does Luke recommend playing with original rules or with directors cut rules? And where is the difference if I may ask?
The main difference is that, in the Director's Cut, there are always equal or MORE players on the evil team than the good team. This is balanced by tweaking a few of the other rules, such as the player count for each mission. For players familiar with Avalon (i.e. good always outnumber evil) I would suggest they start with the DC because it gives a new and unique experience. For players unfamiliar with Avalon... go and play Avalon.
Thanks for the reply Luke 🙏
Thanks for the game chat, i love the resistance/avalon, i would say it's one of favorite games of all time. my family really enjoys playing avalon as well, even though they likely only get about 85% of the game/strategy and we often have some new player who is missing some of the nuances of the game. I backed the KS edition and think the production value is great, but I found the game rules to be convoluted. Even as a 'seasoned' gamer and game explainer i find avalon to be a hard teach and as noted in your video Quest is even more convoluted since it has exceptions that need to be tracked. I came to this video with hopes of a rules review, and i appreciate the brief walk through. i'm very interested to try this now though after watching your video, the non voting aspect seems like a good way to streamline the game.
Hi James, thank you for coming over! Good that your family enjoy it. Yeah depending on the group you may have different strategy, seasoned gamers even in different group may have different strategy. Hopefully you get to try Quest, after you are used to Avalon it might be a fresh way to play the game that you love.
@@MeepleUniversity I'll follow up when i finally get it to the table, the video has inspired me.
@James Napoli 🙏😍 Thank you James
@@mrdarlok So what was the outcome, and what did you think of Quest. You must have played it now in the past 9 months, and you said you'd follow up with your thoughts.
@@jestrada123 sadly i havent played it yet :( i did see the no rolls barred crew play it on their channel though and feel more confident i can teach/run a game now though!
So our group has played an absurd amount of Avalon, and we were really looking forward to this game. However we are really struggling to find a good balance between good and bad. We have the Avalon Big Box Edition so presumably we have every role/feature available to Quest. Do you have any recommendations for a balanced match? Regular or Director's Cut, any player count.
We've played 4, 5, 6, and 7 players. What we have found is that without the Blind Hunter, it's too easy for the good guys to identify the bad guys. And with the Blind Hunter, it's too easy to identify 2 good roles to confidently snipe. We're seasoned deception players so we know how to not be overly obvious with our roles, but roles like characters like Youth and Troublemaker make it really hard to maintain role ambiguity amongst the good guys. Everyone (you included) says Blind Hunter is almost mandatory, but we have played a ton of recommended variations and it basically always leans in favor of the bad guys for us.
I actually disagree that the Blind Hunter is a mandatory inclusion, especially in games with a Trouble Maker. As you said, it's too easy to identify at least 2 good characters as it is (especially at higher player counts), and even in the worst case scenario, a shot in the dark on one that you're 50/50 on can still create rug-pull wins. However, if the Trouble Maker is ever investigated, the Blind Hunter will know his identity guaranteed, as villains know each other, and there would be no logical reason for a good guy to accuse another good guy of being a villain, unless the investigated player was the Trouble Maker.
Ultimately I think Quest's biggest downfall is that it tries to add too many new parts to an already-working machine.
@@Bellany1337 isn’t the blind hunter, well, blind (as in they don’t know their fellow spies, but spies know them)?
I've played Avalon lots of times and now I am thinking of acquiring this version, so thank you for the review: it helps to make my decision easier )
Hi Yegor, nice! Yes you'll find this one probably quicker, and great that you have played Avalon. Thank you for saying hello :)
Thank you for this. I grabbed a copy because of this video and my love for the artist of Quest. Wish this game were more popular and that the rules weren’t such an absolute mess!
Hi RynoKenny, thanks so much! Oh nice! Hope you enjoy it. Hmm probably need a how to play video ;P
Best review I've seen on this, looks fun!
Thanks so much 🙏. Indeed 😁
seems like the director's cut is the best way to play right?
Depends on your style of play perhaps
There's a poll on BGG which shows that by far most people recommend the Director's Cut as best way to play.
Does anyone with amulet token can be leader?
Played Quest this weekend for the first time. I like it better than Resistance. I just prefer the Resistance theme! 😫
Fair enough, the King Arthur theme is so cool
I’ve played thousands of Avalon and it gets monotonous. Do you think any Quest character can be included in the regular Avalon so that it gets more spicy?
Yes! Well, some. The trouble maker can be included, but only when the “lady of the lake” is used. Cleric can be used though instead of Merlin. The duke is only used if you’re playing with good’s last chance instead of assassinations. Youth canNOT be used at all. The lunatic can be used for sure. Blind hunter is the replacement for assassin. Morgan le Faye can be used if you like how she looks. Otherwise not. Bragger, yes. You get the point. If it uses the magic token, no. If it needs the amulets, yes. But if it is used in goods last chance, NO!
Awww cute Morgana bunny!
Hahaha riiight! The friendlies Morgana ever! :D
Luke: What brand is your sweater?
Asked Luke, he said Politix. Good brand that one :)
22:31 I thought this was a family show =)
We do lol, it's the accent ha
...so thry cut out the fun part of resistance. Oookay.