I dont hate Jeff's falsetto but i agree it's overused, and i love his natural voice. Get in my mouth and america is great again are two of my favourites because of it
i don't hate it either, but it's not my favorite. i doubt it should be used very often unless he really works on his falsetto. starkid should just put more shine on their sopranos head voice.
He gets the best out of his falsetto when he's using it for comedy, imo. Compare his final high note in What Do You Want, Paul w/ that "I can show you the path" line from Monsters and Men (Reprise): they both end up sounding goofy, but in the latter it doesn't seem like it's on purpose.
Honestly in Black Friday I noticed him hitting a lot of insane notes full voiced that he usually would only attempt in falsetto. Hopefully we'll see more of it. I'm new here, and I'm currently in my honeymoon stage finding everyone's niche. I only just got to the part where you realize how just insanely technically proficient Jeff Blim is. I mean he makes great choices on the fly, and is a great improvisor. Plenty of feeling. Soulful even. But powering the engine is just staggering technical prowess.
i really disliked trail to oregon’s ending (although it is also one of my favorite starkid shows) and the only thing i actually liked about the ending is when the son says “i don’t see a light, i just see a skeleton in a robe going “c’mere, c’mere””
The problem for me is that it's one long shit/fart joke and it's also meant to be sort of emotional and you're probably going to watch it five times. I like naked in a lake at its core but it takes a while to get good and it's a weird thing to end on. I do like the line "who would choose one of the children *looks at audience*" though that's really fun
Ya. It was supposed to be funny but I just don’t think farts are funny :/. Otherwise it’s a great musical though. And the naked in a lake song was just so so.
Show stoppin' number had EVERYTHING. The amazing singing, the passion and personality, the energy, the amazing song itself, the COMEDY, the CHOREOGRAPHY UGH YES, the lyrics, the harmonies In this essay i will
It can still be criticized, like the final chorus choreography being shotty, the whole song being a family guy-level side tangent with no real significance to the story, and redundant spoken word refrains.
@@gspiderstudios the choreography being subpar isnt subjective. You can say it's not that important, but you cant say it's actually well performed. Its objectively poor choreography.
Your Show Stopping Number bit made me realise how tired Robert must have been singing that. I mean, it's not exactly an easy song to sing, and he's doing the dance, and he just came from the cop song where he's once again doing a relatively hard dance (while in both his Hidgens and cop costume so he can do the quick change)
the two songs I can think of as 'the cop song' happen way before (Show Me Your Hands, towards the end of act 1 while ssn is robert's second scene in act 2) or right after (America is Great Again, starts after Ted leaves Paul and Emma at Henry's house). everything else is true though! it's a challenging song and he's very on top of it
I don't suuuuper mind Jeff's falsetto (though he's my favorite so I acknowledge that I'm biased) but whenever he pulls out his really strong natural range I do feel a bit cheated that he doesn't stick to it more
I think I really really only loved his falsetto during tgwdlm when he was singing the ending not in what do you want for comedic purposes. But I love his voice nonetheless.
Honestly, it wasn't until Trail to Oregon that I saw just how bloody talented Rachel and Corey were. I think splitting that season into two separate casts definitely enabled those two to show their amazing voices.
I really like “not your seed” because It layers on all the guilt that the guy has about his daughter and it presents it in such a way that it makes me cry... But I am extremely emotional, so take that as you will.
My main problem with it is the lyrics. Literally every time Alice is brought up, Bill wants to get back together with her. The entirety of Not Your Seed is the Hive mocking Bill for not wanting to spend enough time with her. Also, it calls Deb a hardcore stoner, even though the one scene we see her in, she's giving up smoking for her girlfriend. However, it does back up my pet theory of the Hive steadily knowing more and being able to subsume more knowledge from a singular brain as it grabs more people. Therefore, of course it would torture him with the very thing that he was afraid of. "It's all your fault! That was the last thought that went through my brain before they broke down the door." There's literally no reason that the Hive would tell the truth here. In this essay I will
i don’t agree with half of these but at the end of the day we all ADORE team starkid and that beats all!! we are all still friends!!! and i love that !!!
Due to the backlash it's gone full circle. I personally don't think it's their best song, but I love it and it is my favourite from TGWDLM. It was my first musical of theirs too, so I had no previous influence to like some songs more than others. It just really stood out to me when I watched it.
I thought Lauren's were kinda funny plus her rolling on the ground is classic, the mom and sister made up for it with how they were "revived" and Corey's (Rachel's too) good voice distracted me so it didn't bother me as much. Jeff Blim's was really annoying to me though and he played it up so much more unnecessarily.
The whole dysentery scene is funny the first time you see it. After that, watching it once with subtitles is humorous. Once you’ve done those things, just skip over the dying and watch Naked in a Lake.
Woah reading the comments I’m starting to think loving Not Your Seed is actually a more unpopular opinion, idk it’s just so perfectly tailored to Bill’s fears of Alice being like “I’m a bad girl now and because you didn’t protect me” that it cripples him so a big part of why I like it (besides the amazing vocals) is seeing Corey’s character react to it I guess 🤷♀️
I just feel like it would have more of an impact if Alice was a larger character. Sure we get Bills perspective on Alice but only a few scenes of just Alice
I just wasnt a huge fan because i thought she was supposed to be an alien so i didnt really understand why she was still trying to guilt trip bill instead of making him an alien too
join us (and die) really allowed jamie lyn beatty’s incredible voice to shine. her chest voice belt was wonderful, and her ability to sneak in the breath between words and still have enough air to sing loudly and clearly is excellent.
I am three years late but i just have to mention what an experience it was seeing Jamie for the first time in tgwdlm because the whole time she's this timid little thing and then when she pulled out t first note of join us and die my jaw was literally ON THE FLOOR. I had to rewatch just that one belt like five times before i could move on with the musical
Out of all of these I fully agree with Rachel being underrated! Oh my god no one ever talks about her. Yes Lauren is fantastic, Jamie is brilliant and Meredith is amazing but Rachel is such a talented performer in all the roles she plays!!
I have been a fan of StarKid for a few months now and when I watched TTO, although the mother was kind of annoying, I thought Rachel really got into character making us kinda thinking she was an uptight mother. Emberly ( Firebringer) and the Princess (Twisted) were really well done by her too. The power in me was very emotional and she played that very well.
I don’t think Alice got enough attention in TGWDLM to have “not your seed”. In other words, I feel like the song would have been way more effective if she had more of a relationship with Bill. I think that his reaction to zombified Alice was well written, but I think that I would have genuinely cried if we got more from Alice besides the montage before the meteor hits. Instead, she ends up being really forgettable and there’s a bit of tonal whiplash when the whole “we all have to speak at the same time thing” happens. One final note is that Paul had basically no reaction. I’m not blaming this on Jon Matteson because I genuinely think he’s a great actor, but as Bill said earlier, he used to pick up Alice from school, and according to Bill, she thinks he’s cool. It would have made that little confrontation between Paul and Alice before McNamera shows up so much more tense if they had an established relationship besides those few lines about Paul going to see Mamma Mia. I still think that TGWDLM is good, but Alice should have either gotten more character, or a cut from the script.
But it isn’t about Alice. It’s about Bill and his relationship with her just like it has been the entire time. Maybe it’s not intentional, but she even says that herself. Bill never really pays attention to what his daughter wants but rather who is the favorite parent or why he deserves to spend time with his daughter without her gf tagging along. It’s never about Alice because he only thinks that he gives her the attention she deserves
I think the best example of that is the line “Did you know that I wanted to live with you? And when you needed to fight, you gave her that too” I understand that you wish Alice was around more and I think she wishes that too. She felt like a background character in her own father’s story just like she is in the musical
I headcanon that show stopping number (the only song written and performed by a human) is the only song that has any real human emotion and thoughts and feelings and meaning behind it, and anything sung by a goo infected human is literally just an alien hivemind trying to replicate the sort of thing they think a human would sing about without understanding what that person actually felt and was like when alive. They instead just sing whatever will hurt/convince any remaining humans to join them. For example, human Sam clearly does not care about Charlotte, but in goo form he's suddenly singing about how she's stolen his heart and how he loves her. And Paul the whole time says how he hates musicals and near the end is willing to sacrifice his own life to destroy the meteor and save emma and the rest of humanity, but then at then end, he's been infected and is trying to sing about how emma should join them, something human paul would obviously never do. And finally with alice, the in the last we hear of human alice is when she's calling her father for help, and though we don't hear what she says, it's clear she told Bill she loves him, probably because she understood there was a real chance she may die and at least wanted him to know that. But then when they arrive and see infected alice, the first thing she does is claim the last thing alice thought was that everything was Bill's fault, despite the phonecall leading us to think otherwise, and then they sing a song about how they think alice feels about bill, but they get details wrong, like alice's age, about debbie being a hardcore stoner (even if she does smoke, we see earlier in the play that debbie admonishes stoners for trying to pressure alice into smoking, and then ditches them to be with alice, calling the stoners "losers") and they completely misrepresent how alice actually felt about her dad in an attempt to force bill to off himself and join them. I mean, literally infected alice picks up the shotgun while paul is trying to talk bill down, and SHOOTS HIM IN THE HEAD. I don't think it's hard to say that human alice would never shoot her own father. A human is dead the moment they become infected, what's left is an alien using their corpse and trying to act like how they think the human does, but they fail, because they don't understand that sometimes, you can't convey the breadth and entirety of an entire lifetime of thoughts and feelings into a single song.
@@maplepainttube8158 Your theory makes so much sense it physically hurts me. Also, both times Alice tries to kill her father she's 1º being controlled by and 2º under the influence of one of the Lords In Black.
I do really love Firebringer, but I think you’re right that some of the repeated jokes really don’t land. I did laugh a lot, but it was definitely much less than other Starkid shows. Those Brian and Nick ones though,,, you are completely correct.
@@laurenmanion861: The thing I like least is the swearing. I heard from an unreliable source that TGWDLM has more swearing than Firebringer, but Firebringer's swearing seems more forced and like swearing for swearing's sake.
@@laurenmanion861 Funnily enough (and please don't kill me guys) the whole Starkid humour very rarely ever lands for me, it's just not my taste at all. It's almost like I 'bear with it' for the creative storytelling, awesome songs and dances, brilliant acting, wonderful vibe in general - and damn, the creativity of it all - as well as the genuinely touching moments that all their musicals have. I never really dared to say it online but from the comments this seems to be a safe space, so here goes nothing. ^^
I thought Firebringer was hilarious for most of it, but Shwoopsie was NOT doin it for me. I guess the joke is that Shwoopsie isn't funny at all, but like how the fuck are we supposed to laugh at something not funny?
I have to agree very strongly with 13. His falsetto was extremely overused in TGWDLM, and, as the composer he should have made Let It Out lower to make it easier and better for Paul (sorry, I forgot the actor's name, I'm sorry!) to sing. I mean, a C#5 for the very first note you sing in a show? That's really high even for the highest tenors!
Show Stoppin’ Number is an amazing song, not only because of the lyrics and such, but how it was preformed! Robert did an amazing job getting into this character and it shows so well in the song!
I’m not sure if it’s unpopular? But of all the Starkid shows I’ve seen, Twisted is by far the best. Plot, characters, jokes, and ESPECIALLY music wise.
Twisted is by far my favorite it is actually how I got into the Starkid fandom. I had already watched all the AVP's but hadn't yet gotten into the fandom. I knew they had a lot of other shows, but I didn't know how to approach them. So months later I was on a bus and decided to watch the most approachable of their shows a mixture of Disney and Wicked. Then I fell in love with the show and the company and needed MORE and here I am.
Actually music was kinda my least favourite part of Twisted, I thought the instrumentation was really nice but I wish the songs could have been more original instead of clearly trying to be soundalikes to Disney songs, I know that was the point but to me they just ended up sounding like inferior versions of good songs
Nicholas Purcell I see what you’re saying, but I think the amazing vocal prowess of a lot of the performers (prime example-DYLAN) and a lot of the really witty lyrics took that concept and ran with it. All the illicit disney references, for example, or the line “whether tis nobler in the mind, to be well liked but ineffectual, or be moral but maligned,” which is so heavy with meaning. The only song I wasn’t into? Twisted. I think it felt really forced.
Aliceson Orbe I do agree that the lyrics from Twisted were very good, as opposed to songs by Jeff which are usually my favourite in terms of music but slightly weaker lyrically. I also like how the music is arranged in Twisted, nice to see some more variety in the instruments since the other shows are mostly bass drums and keyboards
I mostly understand/respect all of these except I think Firebringer is hilarious, but I do get that people have different humor preferences so I ain’t offended
For me, Firebringer is proof that a musical doesn’t need to be of great intelligence be good and enjoyable. In its ingenuity and simplicity, I find it to be really funny (although with a few jokes that do fall flat), creative, and one of Starkid’s best.
I feel like they were really funny in teh context of the show but since the video only shiwed the punchline I can get how one would think they are boring Also, I don't wan't to do the work today is a meme song and we all know it
Matilda Ryder the bit where they kept saying the beginning of an idiom like “two sides of the same coin” but finishing with “....I don’t even know what?” Really annoys me especially since they say it the exact same way every time. But damn it’s got some great jokes
He was the Starkid I was most nervous to meet at TGWDLM, I nearly broke down and awkwardly asked for a hug after saying something I barely remember that equates to something like “I love everything you do”
@@pepper12399 basically they are saying that thinking show stopping number is overrated is the unpopular opinion, while thinking it's the best is a popular opinion
I think that they should've still dragged the body to Oregon, and maybe had an endearing number about the importance of sticking with your people through thick and thin. Throw in a couple jokes here and there of course, but I think it's a lot more of a cohesive ending imo. I still absolutely love that show though!
@@sassonfire6808 Ok but can we take a moment to appreciate that character? He's got this weird quality where he can be saying something like 'all hail Achmed, the tiger f*cker' and still sound like an innocent bean... and 'those are stretch marks, they happen' is such a great line and the delivery is so earnest and great and look I love Robert Manion ok.
Most of these are reasonable but I was crushed when you mentioned “not your seed” oh boy do I love that song and I was personally offended. I’m gonna sue
My biggest unpopular opinion is that A Very Potter Sequel is better than the original by a lot. Both are great, but the sequel is fantastic. Also, Joey Ritcher is my favorite Starkid member, but I don't know how unpopular that is.
Definitely agree about Jeff. Listening to him sing “show stopping number” in his natural range was amazing! And then he switched to falsetto. Just doesnt sound... real? I guess
@@laurenmanion861 Both were great- Bonnie created that version of Hermione while Meredith made it her own and had the added pressure of Starkid being massively popular and knowing it would be all over the internet AND that some people would compare her to Bonnie. I hope none of them actually feel that kind of pressure though because I'd imagine it's a lot to live up to
Honestly Meredith is more openly flawed as hermione- smug about being smarter than everyone, a little unapproachable and self superior. It’s easier to sympathise with bonnies hermione but merediths feels more real
I think Meredith's is over the top, which is fitting because as the fandom grew, the characters became charicatures of the original, especially in AVPSY. It worked for that production and Bonnie's worked for hers
It had some really good concepts, like having modern day speech with obvious holes in it, and "normal" things or actions being discovered, but it didn't have the kind of clever jokes that a lot of their other works have had
i might be reading too much into it but i think that kinda shows how genius they are cuz it’s a play about cave men and they were pretty dumb and probably thought anything random was entertaining you know. i mean it’s probably just me but it makes me feel like i’m actually watching cave men on stage. so it may not be super funny but if that’s what they were trying to do it’s pretty effective to me at least
Most of their shows have at least one running joke of that nature which is super funny and for firebringer I think it was the duck, but the rest of the jokes being of that same nature are hit or miss.
I think that the ending for TGWDLM makes sense, it's an apocalypse, you can't expect a happy ending for it, but for the Trail to Oregon, I hate the ending. A character dies, there is a while song for their death, but are immediately revived afterwards. I believe that the death is super unnecessary as they are brought back immediately just for that happy ending.
Yes. Just yes. TGWDLM is my all time favourite Starkid show. It was the first show (beside AVPM) of their i watched, and after that i watched many of their other ones, and nothing compares to how good tgwdlm is.
I really think they peaked with it, I love all of their show but it's the only one where there wasn't a single scene that felt..forced or over the top to me? That's personal preference I guess ahah, but it's my favourite they've done so far
i know its your opinion, but i think that bonnie brought the imperfection that hermione has, meredith makes her too sweet and it just doesnt seem like hermione...
I love that Darren was mouthing the words for Bonnie's verse because he literally wrote it the day before and wanted to make sure she had all the words
I think the Bonnie/Meredith thing is also partially to do with the quality of the versions we've seen of them? If the original VPM had been recorded better I think it would've been more fair
@@estherfichtenholz4838 I had to fast forward almost all his parts in blackfriday, they're like all falsetto. Just because he can doesn't mean he should all the time :////
나는 누구야 god, this fandom needs to learn what a falsetto is. You can say you don’t like his upper register, but he literally only uses his falsetto ONCE in Black Friday. Christ. Try to know what you’re talking about.
Maddie Imm like I said before, I slipped most of the times he went to his higher register so I genuinely don’t know how often he ditched from his head voice to falsetto. During other productions, he tends to use a mix so I assumed this show would be the same.
S Christie or the whole squirrel part ‘no don’t give him a family’ and Lauren’s ‘I just finished killing my family’ and the whole squirrels are better at collecting bits then we will ever be part
Emberly's completely heartfelt "you would part with this hideous, shit-covered rock for me?" and basically all of the painting scene gets me every time. Or maybe I'm just a simp for Rachael, idk
i think america is great again is AMAZING- the problem is it comes right after show stopping number, which is such a fan favorite so whatever comes after obviously can't live up to it.
Personally I found Firebringer quite funny and enjoyable, but everyone has an opinion and I respect that. I agree with 'We got work to do' because it's overused outside the fandom BUT it is how I found Firebringer, and then Team Starkid, and so on, so I am grateful for that
anxious_ floss exactly! i wonder what my opinion would be if it wasn’t what got me into starkid. i think it’s not the best starkid show but it’ll always have that sentimental place and i still enjoy the music, plot, and comedy. we got work to do is just overplayed and not the best song in the soundtrack
I agree with number 9, but Joey Richer had some o the best acting of his in that show, I love the scene where he tries to get Harry back, so powerful, even if the audio messed it up some. Edit: also I agree heavily with numbers 10, 11, and 16
Yessss!!!!!!!! Robert did SUCH a good job with that song with his natural accent being Australian and his voice naturally being deep he did such a great job with it!
I think firebringer is funny when you think about the fact that the humor is simple because they are cavemen. They have the humor of 13 year old boy because it’s simplistic and cavemen are simplistic
I think Meredith captured Hermione's nervous energy better than Bonnie, while Bonnie was a more cool, level headed Hermione, so I guess it's up to preference. Meredith also had to contest with Bonnie's legacy for the character, so she might have been trying too hard to be a different version of Hermione.
Alright I mostly agree with 10/16! Dream a Little Harder is definitely very good. Charlotte was annoying but I didn’t really dislike her. Brian Holden is absolutely incredible. We Got Work To Do got outside of the fandom and I heard it way too much but the rest of the song is good. I really wish they’d been able to have a better production of AVPSY because they had so many people involved. Nick is so great!!!!! Obviously I love Show Stoppin Number. Ani has beautiful songs, the band included Clark and Meredith so of course it was great. MAMD is awesome, underrated, and funny probably because they really didn’t censor themselves. I WOULD CRY IF CLARK GOT A BIGGER ROLE OH MY GODS HE’S GREAT.
I can never tell how I feel about Meredith's Hermione because there are a lot of jokes made by/about Hermione in AVPSY that just make me uncomfortable to a greater extent than Hermione jokes in the other two shows (the implication that she was molested while petrified gets played for laughs and then brushed aside?? yikes) and her earnestness in delivering them really doesn't help :/ I don't mean to blame Meredith for those jokes though, and I believe that Starkid has come a long way over the years and some of their more off-color jokes from past shows would be handled with far more care today (i.e. McDoon in Trail to Oregon and Aladdin in Twisted are laughed at for being creeps rather than Mouthface or the Princess being laughed at for being victims of said creeps) ...this got off-topic pretty fast but it's something I've had on my mind for a while now and I guess I just needed to Let It Out (ha ha), would love to hear other people's thoughts on the subject!!
tbh I mostly liked bonnie's hermione for her 'the coolest girl' performance and not over enunciating some stuff but other than that I think meredith's hermione is really great
The thing with Jeff's falsetto is that his notes are actually perfect almost all of the time. The only issue with it is that I don't think he's singing some words properly or correctly, and tends to sing them as if it were still in his chest voice and supporting it like it was his chest voice. No disrespect to him, I'm sure he's a professional. But if he was more accurate with his vocal modulations (mouth shape when singing a certain vowel) and adjusted it accordingly to where in his range he's singing, and got a bit more proper support for his falsetto then I reckon it'd be less annoying.
Lavender Roses I think it’s overused but if you listen to the soundtracks it can sound really good recorded well, for example at the end of what do you want Paul it’s great in the recording
I remember during “show stopping number” when he went “business calls, I’m up to my ass in shit” I BURST OUT LAUGHING the first time I watched it and had to rewind it because I couldn’t hear over my own laughing Also YES Ani is so underrated, and I remember looking up of the music was original because it was so good and had such 80s vibes I thought they were covers
I agree with 8-13 and 16. Corey really needs more love, Ani was great, and I hate fart jokes (although I do love the daughter pretending to be dead in her ending).
"Show Stopping Number" is truly a show stopping number, something for shock'em. It captures classic Broadway musical numbers so well and was done only by one performer without having any back dancers or assembles.
1. AGREED 2. DISAGREE (it's the final third of the title song) 3. disagree 4. Now I'm upset 5. Agree 6. HOW DARE YOU 7. it does drag on a bit 8. disagree, let's get naked in a lake 9. Agree but the ending is still the most emotional of all their shows (because of the implications) 10. AGREED 11. Not even the best in the show, but it is very good (I will defend Let It Out to the death) 12. AGREED 13. Kinda agreed 14. Mostly agreed (tied with Ani for funniest for me, because that's where the humor comes in) 15. #justiceForCourtney 16. Devyn Lytle would like a word
I started Starkid with TGWDLM and I had binged all the other shows but Show Stopping Number has still been my favorite through them all. The only one that got close was Kick it Up a Notch.
I was in agreement until 7. For things like Charlotte, they're things I learned to love especially knowing what happens later in the musical, but "Not Your Seed" was so impact every time I watched it.
For no.7 not your seed is one of my favourite songs, it just has a lot of emotion and really shows pff a character that didnt have much of a story at all
ANI is devastatingly underrated! That’s the show that I go to when I’ve had a bad day or I need a pick-me-up. And I love that it gives the less talented singers in Starkid a time to shine. I wish people gave it the love it deserves.
I mean is Rachel underrated? I love her, but she has played two leading roles. Yes, she could do more, but it's not like she has done nothing, while Corey indeed is underrated
I think it's less about her roles and more about the amount of praise from fans. Sh doesn't get talked about nearly as much as some of the others even though she is just as talented. Either way Corey is definitely underrated love him ❤
A lot of people didn’t realize she played both Emberly and the mother/Slippery When Wet and I think that’s partially because she isn’t talked about often. The first name I learned was Lauren’s and then probably Joey’s because they are very popular in the fandom , more so than Rachel. I would say even Meredith is underrated in the same way
@@christalcavanaugh I love Rachel so much! All her roles are so different from each other and she does such a wonderful job. The only reason I could tell Princess from Twisted was also Slippery when wet is because of her distinct voice!
i actually loved charlotte's character cause it weirdly fit the play with the 30's-50's old hollywood accent she had going on lol
There were times she sounded SO MUCH like Judy Garland I had to pause the video and go back to re-listen
@@daninmills yep! there we go :)
Sounds like Dorothy lmao
@@angelp8235 ikr right if thats what she was going for she did a good job lmao
“Well how do you know? You’re not a doctor either!” Sounds just like Judy Garland
Throughout the video I found myself alternating between "Yeah, I mean, I see your point" and "OMFG NO JUST NO"
AmIOutOfTheSpotlight SAME
Same
Yeah there's no in between
Omg yes
SAME
I dont hate Jeff's falsetto but i agree it's overused, and i love his natural voice. Get in my mouth and america is great again are two of my favourites because of it
i don't hate it either, but it's not my favorite. i doubt it should be used very often unless he really works on his falsetto. starkid should just put more shine on their sopranos head voice.
When your can do falsetto and few other men can, it doesn't matter how good your natural range is. You'll sing falsetto a lot
Same
He gets the best out of his falsetto when he's using it for comedy, imo. Compare his final high note in What Do You Want, Paul w/ that "I can show you the path" line from Monsters and Men (Reprise): they both end up sounding goofy, but in the latter it doesn't seem like it's on purpose.
Honestly in Black Friday I noticed him hitting a lot of insane notes full voiced that he usually would only attempt in falsetto. Hopefully we'll see more of it. I'm new here, and I'm currently in my honeymoon stage finding everyone's niche. I only just got to the part where you realize how just insanely technically proficient Jeff Blim is. I mean he makes great choices on the fly, and is a great improvisor. Plenty of feeling. Soulful even. But powering the engine is just staggering technical prowess.
I feel like Charlotte’s character was supposed to be annoying.
Yeah, she was annoying intentionally, but it was the humorous kind. I loved her.
that’s a good point
she was just really dramatic in juxtaposition with the rest of the characters
alycatlovesbooks I love her so much, one of my favorite characters
She reminded me of whiny little Dorothy Gale from Wizard of Oz
For opinion 1: I think the problem was that you can’t hear Bonnie to well (as they don’t have a good mic system)
Facts
literally the only difference between them was the mic and the quality of the video it’s kinda sad to say the other is ultimately better :’)
well bonnie’s version is from 2009, so that is to be expected lol
I think Bonnie was a better actor for sure.
And by not having a good mic system really meaning, not having one at all
I think Bonnie’s version of Hermione was a more realistic portrayal of how a girl like that would act
well maybe cuz it was more realistic it just wasn’t as funny
I prefer bonnies hermione by far
i prefer meredith's but bonnie's hermione is definitely accurate to how hermione was written
I see your point but I mean c’mon it’s theatre! Nothings supposed to be realistic!
@@nessiev2373 I 100% agree
i really disliked trail to oregon’s ending (although it is also one of my favorite starkid shows) and the only thing i actually liked about the ending is when the son says “i don’t see a light, i just see a skeleton in a robe going “c’mere, c’mere””
The problem for me is that it's one long shit/fart joke and it's also meant to be sort of emotional and you're probably going to watch it five times. I like naked in a lake at its core but it takes a while to get good and it's a weird thing to end on. I do like the line "who would choose one of the children *looks at audience*" though that's really fun
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I would love the death scenes with out all the fart stuff
I agree. The ending with Naked In A Lake always felt underwhelming and I don't like the song
Ya. It was supposed to be funny but I just don’t think farts are funny :/. Otherwise it’s a great musical though. And the naked in a lake song was just so so.
Show stoppin' number had EVERYTHING. The amazing singing, the passion and personality, the energy, the amazing song itself, the COMEDY, the CHOREOGRAPHY UGH YES, the lyrics, the harmonies
In this essay i will
And it has our amazing Australian baby
SpicySquip where’s the essay
It can still be criticized, like the final chorus choreography being shotty, the whole song being a family guy-level side tangent with no real significance to the story, and redundant spoken word refrains.
@@Phurzt All your opinion and subjective.
@@gspiderstudios the choreography being subpar isnt subjective. You can say it's not that important, but you cant say it's actually well performed. Its objectively poor choreography.
Your Show Stopping Number bit made me realise how tired Robert must have been singing that. I mean, it's not exactly an easy song to sing, and he's doing the dance, and he just came from the cop song where he's once again doing a relatively hard dance (while in both his Hidgens and cop costume so he can do the quick change)
the two songs I can think of as 'the cop song' happen way before (Show Me Your Hands, towards the end of act 1 while ssn is robert's second scene in act 2) or right after (America is Great Again, starts after Ted leaves Paul and Emma at Henry's house). everything else is true though! it's a challenging song and he's very on top of it
Honestly yeah. He must’ve been out of breath so much after that scene.
I don't suuuuper mind Jeff's falsetto (though he's my favorite so I acknowledge that I'm biased) but whenever he pulls out his really strong natural range I do feel a bit cheated that he doesn't stick to it more
Ohhh my fucking god YES! I actually love his falsetto but his natural range makes me swoon so hard 😫
I think I really really only loved his falsetto during tgwdlm when he was singing the ending not in what do you want for comedic purposes. But I love his voice nonetheless.
Maggie I wanna like but it’s at 666 and satan is a real man
Honestly, it wasn't until Trail to Oregon that I saw just how bloody talented Rachel and Corey were. I think splitting that season into two separate casts definitely enabled those two to show their amazing voices.
"Pays To Be An Animal" is a song that is constantly stuck in my head and I cannot sing it in public
NOT SO BAD OMFG
Corey did such an amazing performance of it too
literally the best
I watched TTO again yesterday and it’s been firmly stuck ever since even though I don’t know all the words still lmao
Not Starkid, but Blue from Heathers is constantly getting stuck in my head when I'm out in public
I really like “not your seed” because It layers on all the guilt that the guy has about his daughter and it presents it in such a way that it makes me cry...
But I am extremely emotional, so take that as you will.
The line "Did you know that I wanted to live with you?" pierces my heart
My main problem with it is the lyrics. Literally every time Alice is brought up, Bill wants to get back together with her. The entirety of Not Your Seed is the Hive mocking Bill for not wanting to spend enough time with her. Also, it calls Deb a hardcore stoner, even though the one scene we see her in, she's giving up smoking for her girlfriend. However, it does back up my pet theory of the Hive steadily knowing more and being able to subsume more knowledge from a singular brain as it grabs more people. Therefore, of course it would torture him with the very thing that he was afraid of. "It's all your fault! That was the last thought that went through my brain before they broke down the door." There's literally no reason that the Hive would tell the truth here. In this essay I will
You will what? Jandiqar, please finish the essay, the suspense is killing me.
Park ChimMin r/woooosh
Mariah's voice is what brings the emotion, but as a song it's really not good at all.
i don’t agree with half of these but at the end of the day we all ADORE team starkid and that beats all!! we are all still friends!!! and i love that !!!
RT what a great fanbase wtFFF 🙌🏻
This is so true and makes me so happy!!
Yes!
This is the only comment that has value ♥
It’s totally awesome! :)
wait a hot second- it’s an unpopular opinion that show stoppin number is the best starkid song? I thought it was just a universally accepted truth
i thought that was universally acknowledged in the fandom as well
I actually thought we all agreed that it was the BEST song, smh
Due to the backlash it's gone full circle. I personally don't think it's their best song, but I love it and it is my favourite from TGWDLM. It was my first musical of theirs too, so I had no previous influence to like some songs more than others. It just really stood out to me when I watched it.
Me too
I know, right?????
I kind of agree with #8 the fart jokes drag on for a little to long but I still loved the naked in a lake song
True! I could do without the farts but Naked in a lake is a bop and I love it
that ugly piece of trash u never liked same
same! fun idea in concept, dragging execution and I like hearing them sing more than i like the joke
I thought Lauren's were kinda funny plus her rolling on the ground is classic, the mom and sister made up for it with how they were "revived" and Corey's (Rachel's too) good voice distracted me so it didn't bother me as much. Jeff Blim's was really annoying to me though and he played it up so much more unnecessarily.
The whole dysentery scene is funny the first time you see it. After that, watching it once with subtitles is humorous. Once you’ve done those things, just skip over the dying and watch Naked in a Lake.
I agree that trail to oregon was amazing, but the fart jokes wasn’t funny
they didnt use it outside of the end so it didnt feel overused and i thought it was pretty ok in the context. 10/10 would sing while shitting to death
The first time I watched an ending, I giggled a bit, but now there just there, not annoying, but not funny
I mean it was funny, but they overstayed their welcome.
The first fart was funny cause you didn’t expect it but then i just got really uncomfortable and skipped that part
@@matthewcooper4248 agreed
No, actually the best song in Twisted is No One Remembers Achmed.
Yes!
Misaki From Wii Sports taste!!
No one ever remembers it!!
Misaki From Wii Sports who?
Misaki From Wii Sports agreed
Woah reading the comments I’m starting to think loving Not Your Seed is actually a more unpopular opinion, idk it’s just so perfectly tailored to Bill’s fears of Alice being like “I’m a bad girl now and because you didn’t protect me” that it cripples him so a big part of why I like it (besides the amazing vocals) is seeing Corey’s character react to it I guess 🤷♀️
It's one of my favorite songs from tgwdlm honestly
It was my favorite from song from tgwdlm
I love not your seed it’s amazing
I just feel like it would have more of an impact if Alice was a larger character. Sure we get Bills perspective on Alice but only a few scenes of just Alice
I just wasnt a huge fan because i thought she was supposed to be an alien so i didnt really understand why she was still trying to guilt trip bill instead of making him an alien too
rob brings the "show stoppin' number" song to life, it wouldn't work with anyone else
join us (and die) really allowed jamie lyn beatty’s incredible voice to shine. her chest voice belt was wonderful, and her ability to sneak in the breath between words and still have enough air to sing loudly and clearly is excellent.
I am three years late but i just have to mention what an experience it was seeing Jamie for the first time in tgwdlm because the whole time she's this timid little thing and then when she pulled out t first note of join us and die my jaw was literally ON THE FLOOR. I had to rewatch just that one belt like five times before i could move on with the musical
unpopular opinion: jon matteson's voice is super underrated. hes Good hes just inconsistent with high notes
he’s fantastic in Black Friday!
Sunny H a kickline is INEVITABLE is god tier singing
I think he sounds really good in the cast recording of tgwdlm
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
Finally someone who appreciates his voice
Out of all of these I fully agree with Rachel being underrated! Oh my god no one ever talks about her. Yes Lauren is fantastic, Jamie is brilliant and Meredith is amazing but Rachel is such a talented performer in all the roles she plays!!
Honestly, I love them all.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE FAVORITES GUYS LET'S JUST HUG ALL THE CAST MEMBERS FOR BEING FANTASTIC.
Yes!
I have been a fan of StarKid for a few months now and when I watched TTO, although the mother was kind of annoying, I thought Rachel really got into character making us kinda thinking she was an uptight mother. Emberly ( Firebringer) and the Princess (Twisted) were really well done by her too. The power in me was very emotional and she played that very well.
is it me or did she lose a lot of weight from twisted to firebringer? nothing wrong i just dk if anyone else noticed lmao
Holly Whitbread AGREED
I don’t think Alice got enough attention in TGWDLM to have “not your seed”. In other words, I feel like the song would have been way more effective if she had more of a relationship with Bill. I think that his reaction to zombified Alice was well written, but I think that I would have genuinely cried if we got more from Alice besides the montage before the meteor hits. Instead, she ends up being really forgettable and there’s a bit of tonal whiplash when the whole “we all have to speak at the same time thing” happens.
One final note is that Paul had basically no reaction. I’m not blaming this on Jon Matteson because I genuinely think he’s a great actor, but as Bill said earlier, he used to pick up Alice from school, and according to Bill, she thinks he’s cool. It would have made that little confrontation between Paul and Alice before McNamera shows up so much more tense if they had an established relationship besides those few lines about Paul going to see Mamma Mia.
I still think that TGWDLM is good, but Alice should have either gotten more character, or a cut from the script.
But it isn’t about Alice. It’s about Bill and his relationship with her just like it has been the entire time. Maybe it’s not intentional, but she even says that herself. Bill never really pays attention to what his daughter wants but rather who is the favorite parent or why he deserves to spend time with his daughter without her gf tagging along. It’s never about Alice because he only thinks that he gives her the attention she deserves
I think the best example of that is the line “Did you know that I wanted to live with you? And when you needed to fight, you gave her that too” I understand that you wish Alice was around more and I think she wishes that too. She felt like a background character in her own father’s story just like she is in the musical
I did genuinely cry at that song
I headcanon that show stopping number (the only song written and performed by a human) is the only song that has any real human emotion and thoughts and feelings and meaning behind it, and anything sung by a goo infected human is literally just an alien hivemind trying to replicate the sort of thing they think a human would sing about without understanding what that person actually felt and was like when alive. They instead just sing whatever will hurt/convince any remaining humans to join them. For example, human Sam clearly does not care about Charlotte, but in goo form he's suddenly singing about how she's stolen his heart and how he loves her. And Paul the whole time says how he hates musicals and near the end is willing to sacrifice his own life to destroy the meteor and save emma and the rest of humanity, but then at then end, he's been infected and is trying to sing about how emma should join them, something human paul would obviously never do. And finally with alice, the in the last we hear of human alice is when she's calling her father for help, and though we don't hear what she says, it's clear she told Bill she loves him, probably because she understood there was a real chance she may die and at least wanted him to know that. But then when they arrive and see infected alice, the first thing she does is claim the last thing alice thought was that everything was Bill's fault, despite the phonecall leading us to think otherwise, and then they sing a song about how they think alice feels about bill, but they get details wrong, like alice's age, about debbie being a hardcore stoner (even if she does smoke, we see earlier in the play that debbie admonishes stoners for trying to pressure alice into smoking, and then ditches them to be with alice, calling the stoners "losers") and they completely misrepresent how alice actually felt about her dad in an attempt to force bill to off himself and join them. I mean, literally infected alice picks up the shotgun while paul is trying to talk bill down, and SHOOTS HIM IN THE HEAD. I don't think it's hard to say that human alice would never shoot her own father. A human is dead the moment they become infected, what's left is an alien using their corpse and trying to act like how they think the human does, but they fail, because they don't understand that sometimes, you can't convey the breadth and entirety of an entire lifetime of thoughts and feelings into a single song.
@@maplepainttube8158 Your theory makes so much sense it physically hurts me. Also, both times Alice tries to kill her father she's 1º being controlled by and 2º under the influence of one of the Lords In Black.
I do really love Firebringer, but I think you’re right that some of the repeated jokes really don’t land. I did laugh a lot, but it was definitely much less than other Starkid shows. Those Brian and Nick ones though,,, you are completely correct.
@@graceh9743: I thought Molag was the best part, but maybe I'm biased because it's the only StarKid show I saw live.
@@laurenmanion861: The thing I like least is the swearing. I heard from an unreliable source that TGWDLM has more swearing than Firebringer, but Firebringer's swearing seems more forced and like swearing for swearing's sake.
@@laurenmanion861 Funnily enough (and please don't kill me guys) the whole Starkid humour very rarely ever lands for me, it's just not my taste at all.
It's almost like I 'bear with it' for the creative storytelling, awesome songs and dances, brilliant acting, wonderful vibe in general - and damn, the creativity of it all - as well as the genuinely touching moments that all their musicals have.
I never really dared to say it online but from the comments this seems to be a safe space, so here goes nothing. ^^
I thought Firebringer was hilarious for most of it, but Shwoopsie was NOT doin it for me.
I guess the joke is that Shwoopsie isn't funny at all, but like how the fuck are we supposed to laugh at something not funny?
The AVP musicals were the funniest
I have to agree very strongly with 13. His falsetto was extremely overused in TGWDLM, and, as the composer he should have made Let It Out lower to make it easier and better for Paul (sorry, I forgot the actor's name, I'm sorry!) to sing. I mean, a C#5 for the very first note you sing in a show? That's really high even for the highest tenors!
The actors name is Jon Matteson
@@soulrecords857 That's right! Thanks.
I agree with that.
maybe a b5 should’ve been pulled
I just don't like his voice period. I think it's super annoying and can sound good sustained but his tone is awful.
Show Stoppin’ Number is an amazing song, not only because of the lyrics and such, but how it was preformed! Robert did an amazing job getting into this character and it shows so well in the song!
I’m not sure if it’s unpopular? But of all the Starkid shows I’ve seen, Twisted is by far the best. Plot, characters, jokes, and ESPECIALLY music wise.
Aliceson Orbe Twisted is still my favorite show, with AVPS and HMB behind that. TGWDLM is catching up quickly though.
Twisted is by far my favorite it is actually how I got into the Starkid fandom. I had already watched all the AVP's but hadn't yet gotten into the fandom. I knew they had a lot of other shows, but I didn't know how to approach them. So months later I was on a bus and decided to watch the most approachable of their shows a mixture of Disney and Wicked. Then I fell in love with the show and the company and needed MORE and here I am.
Actually music was kinda my least favourite part of Twisted, I thought the instrumentation was really nice but I wish the songs could have been more original instead of clearly trying to be soundalikes to Disney songs, I know that was the point but to me they just ended up sounding like inferior versions of good songs
Nicholas Purcell I see what you’re saying, but I think the amazing vocal prowess of a lot of the performers (prime example-DYLAN) and a lot of the really witty lyrics took that concept and ran with it. All the illicit disney references, for example, or the line “whether tis nobler in the mind, to be well liked but ineffectual, or be moral but maligned,” which is so heavy with meaning. The only song I wasn’t into? Twisted. I think it felt really forced.
Aliceson Orbe I do agree that the lyrics from Twisted were very good, as opposed to songs by Jeff which are usually my favourite in terms of music but slightly weaker lyrically. I also like how the music is arranged in Twisted, nice to see some more variety in the instruments since the other shows are mostly bass drums and keyboards
i would say "dream a little harder" is the best song in twisted
but "no one remembers achmed" exists so i'm sorry i cannot agree
very true thank you
@@laurenmanion861 but i think everyone forgets about the Golden Rule
What about my baby A Thousand and One Nights?
@@clare780 Right?
I love Twisted, too, but it's not really underrated.
what about the golden rule and the golden rule reprise? the play on words was fucking golden and robert + lauren dancing section was great
charlotte is SUPPOSED to be annoying... that’s, like, the point.
I never realized anyone thought she was annoying... I liked her honestly
@@_veronica_r i liked her comedy but she was kind of annoying and it was partially her fault it all went to shit. she was great in Join Us And Die tho
She's annoying and I love her 😭
I feel bad for her she deserves more attention
who ever thinks “show stopping number” is overrated can fight me
It’s me Audrey true
currently holding my fists up haha
it’s perfectly rated
I felt it was almost too similar to it's a musical from something rotten
It’s me Audrey yes
I mostly understand/respect all of these except I think Firebringer is hilarious, but I do get that people have different humor preferences so I ain’t offended
Firebringer’s humor was just random but totally on-point with the characters
For me, Firebringer is proof that a musical doesn’t need to be of great intelligence be good and enjoyable. In its ingenuity and simplicity, I find it to be really funny (although with a few jokes that do fall flat), creative, and one of Starkid’s best.
I feel like they were really funny in teh context of the show but since the video only shiwed the punchline I can get how one would think they are boring
Also, I don't wan't to do the work today is a meme song and we all know it
I feel like the humor fits with the story, but if there was a lot of that kind of humor in a lot of the other ones, I probably wouldn't like it.
Matilda Ryder the bit where they kept saying the beginning of an idiom like “two sides of the same coin” but finishing with “....I don’t even know what?” Really annoys me especially since they say it the exact same way every time. But damn it’s got some great jokes
“Firebringer isn’t funny”
_includes clip of Shwoopsie saying “shwoopsie”_
Oh so it’s opposite day then
Nick does need so much more recognition,the main reason i loved holy musical b@man was because of him,GIVE NICK MORE RECOGNITION
[Insert edgy band names] I always forget it’s him who plays robin
He was the Starkid I was most nervous to meet at TGWDLM, I nearly broke down and awkwardly asked for a hug after saying something I barely remember that equates to something like “I love everything you do”
I feel like #11 is battling a popular opinion that's told to be an unpopular opinion with an actual unpopular opinion
That's really confusing, but I think I agree?!
fred billsworth
lmao same
trueee
califor m.i.a. I’m so confused
@@pepper12399 basically they are saying that thinking show stopping number is overrated is the unpopular opinion, while thinking it's the best is a popular opinion
For the "rachel is underrated" thing you should've included clips of her singing in twisted. She was amazing
I completly agreed with that I love her so much but she's never really talked about in the videos people make of people!
I want the moon
I WANT TO LIVE ON THE MOON
And eat it in a pie!
And keep it as a pet!
And wear it like a gEmsTOne in my hAIr!
@Phyllis Newbold she only wants everything and more, like cmon.
Opinion (idk if unpopular or not): Emma and Paul have the most chemistry of any couple in any Starkid show
Quirrel and Voldemort though
kylee brubaker it definitely had a lot and I'm sad we never got a real kiss but idk if it's the most 🤷🏻♀️
Let’s Switch It Up Scheherazade?
@@herberthidgens5937 agreed
@@claire_dyment2301 yes that one was good.
Corey’s voice in Pays to Be an Animal always makes me happy
SAME
Same!
Real unpopular opinion: Oregon Trail's ending would've been way better if whoever was chosen stayed dead and that was the end.
True to the game, too.
Probably. But I like happy endings. Call me a wimp but yeah!
I think that they should've still dragged the body to Oregon, and maybe had an endearing number about the importance of sticking with your people through thick and thin. Throw in a couple jokes here and there of course, but I think it's a lot more of a cohesive ending imo. I still absolutely love that show though!
Dream a Little Harder is one of my favorites in Twisted but I think No One Remembers Achmed is the best tbh
Emma nice, I’ll check the video out, I think it’s interesting to see other people’s’ favorites from starkid
Agreeeeeed!!
hE FUCKED A TIGERRRRR
sassonfire I DID NOT FUCK A TIGER
@@sassonfire6808 Ok but can we take a moment to appreciate that character?
He's got this weird quality where he can be saying something like 'all hail Achmed, the tiger f*cker' and still sound like an innocent bean... and 'those are stretch marks, they happen' is such a great line and the delivery is so earnest and great and look I love Robert Manion ok.
Most of these are reasonable but I was crushed when you mentioned “not your seed” oh boy do I love that song and I was personally offended. I’m gonna sue
Art Kiddo get ready for audits!
AUDITS UP YOUR WAZOO
𝙰𝚞𝚍𝚒𝚝𝚜 𝚞𝚙 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜
*audits in your yin yangs*
S A M E
Is it bad that I know the dance for the opening of “Working Boys”?
No, it makes you a god
Grace Jewell me too 😂
As do I.
Whizzer is A homosexual hello fellow Falsettos fan :)
if u don’t know the opening then um. why
Show stopping number is so good because it’s so varied, I feel like you’d see a similar song on broadway at a shows climax
My biggest unpopular opinion is that A Very Potter Sequel is better than the original by a lot. Both are great, but the sequel is fantastic. Also, Joey Ritcher is my favorite Starkid member, but I don't know how unpopular that is.
Alyssa P I 100% agree with both of these
I AGREE WITH THIS SO MUCH
Yeah, the sequel is a lot more polished I'd say
I agree but AVPM is still my favorite since it came first. I also love Joey
Of the three the sequel is all around the best and AVPSY has the best music
Definitely agree about Jeff. Listening to him sing “show stopping number” in his natural range was amazing! And then he switched to falsetto. Just doesnt sound... real? I guess
Jeff Blim didn’t sing “Show Stopping Number”? Robert Manion did
@@katiekerns508 no Jeff sang it as a one off at a panel somewhere? Idk
@@jmp_fr yea he did, there's footage of it
For the Hermione one I can’t decide because they’re so different but they’re both great
It’s hard to compare them honestly
@@laurenmanion861 Both were great- Bonnie created that version of Hermione while Meredith made it her own and had the added pressure of Starkid being massively popular and knowing it would be all over the internet AND that some people would compare her to Bonnie. I hope none of them actually feel that kind of pressure though because I'd imagine it's a lot to live up to
Might also have something to do with the quality of the videos
Honestly Meredith is more openly flawed as hermione- smug about being smarter than everyone, a little unapproachable and self superior. It’s easier to sympathise with bonnies hermione but merediths feels more real
I think Meredith's is over the top, which is fitting because as the fandom grew, the characters became charicatures of the original, especially in AVPSY. It worked for that production and Bonnie's worked for hers
ngl I love firebringer but I agree it kind of gives me a random=funny vibes
It had some really good concepts, like having modern day speech with obvious holes in it, and "normal" things or actions being discovered, but it didn't have the kind of clever jokes that a lot of their other works have had
i might be reading too much into it but i think that kinda shows how genius they are cuz it’s a play about cave men and they were pretty dumb and probably thought anything random was entertaining you know. i mean it’s probably just me but it makes me feel like i’m actually watching cave men on stage. so it may not be super funny but if that’s what they were trying to do it’s pretty effective to me at least
Most of their shows have at least one running joke of that nature which is super funny and for firebringer I think it was the duck, but the rest of the jokes being of that same nature are hit or miss.
Unpopular opinion: Ron's song "Sidekick' is so underrated
Ikr, I like that song so much :"(
Ugh I love that’s song so much tbh it’s my fav starkid song
That shouldn't be an unpopular opinion, it is amazing and should be noticed for the excellent song it it
That's my favourite AVPSY song.
That's one of my favorites it's so freaking good
#3. how dare you disrespect
uh-schWOOPSie
😂😂 facts
and emberly the fire shitter
And also
HE IS LORD
THE DUCK IS LORD
I SEE A CRISTINE WITH NO "H" FAN WHO ALSO LIKES STARKID
I feel like Starkid sometimes gives happy endings where sad ones might be more appropriate (The Trail to Oregon) and vice versa (TGWDLM) :')
I think that the ending for TGWDLM makes sense, it's an apocalypse, you can't expect a happy ending for it, but for the Trail to Oregon, I hate the ending. A character dies, there is a while song for their death, but are immediately revived afterwards. I believe that the death is super unnecessary as they are brought back immediately just for that happy ending.
@@suffercore4483 I agree, but i feel like it solidifies the fact that "its nothing but a game."
@@dehydra8edwater That is true. It does kind of make sense in context, but I still don't like it that much.
TheDrawerGirl idk if context is your best argument for TTO, that whole show (though I love it) is a fever dream tbh
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but I think The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals is their best show.
I agree with that (though I think Black Friday and Twisted come close in different ways)
Yes. Just yes. TGWDLM is my all time favourite Starkid show. It was the first show (beside AVPM) of their i watched, and after that i watched many of their other ones, and nothing compares to how good tgwdlm is.
It's not the exact best for me, but it's my personal favorite-
I really think they peaked with it, I love all of their show but it's the only one where there wasn't a single scene that felt..forced or over the top to me? That's personal preference I guess ahah, but it's my favourite they've done so far
Its a truth
i know its your opinion, but i think that bonnie brought the imperfection that hermione has, meredith makes her too sweet and it just doesnt seem like hermione...
YES
thats a fair/good point....
I agree 😭😭
why did bonnie leave again? she just quit starkid rite? hopefully she'll come back for their anniversary show
Bianca Aletti I’m pretty sure she is!
How could you say something so brave yet so controversial
I love that Darren was mouthing the words for Bonnie's verse because he literally wrote it the day before and wanted to make sure she had all the words
I think the Bonnie/Meredith thing is also partially to do with the quality of the versions we've seen of them? If the original VPM had been recorded better I think it would've been more fair
Because we all know Bonnie's was better
Personally, I like Bonnie's portrayal. But I feel like if I had seen Meredith in the role first I would feel the opposite.
“We Got Work To Do” is what got me onto starkid AND I LOVE IT
Yep. Saw the meme and did not look back
@@micahwilliams1332 EXACT SAME INTRODUCTION FOR ME TOO
same
Jeff's voice in Americas Great Agin sounds dope
Right? Jeff Blim sing in his actual range challenge
@@estherfichtenholz4838 I had to fast forward almost all his parts in blackfriday, they're like all falsetto. Just because he can doesn't mean he should all the time :////
나는 누구야 god, this fandom needs to learn what a falsetto is. You can say you don’t like his upper register, but he literally only uses his falsetto ONCE in Black Friday. Christ. Try to know what you’re talking about.
@@crazygirl9784 try to be more patient with people.
Maddie Imm like I said before, I slipped most of the times he went to his higher register so I genuinely don’t know how often he ditched from his head voice to falsetto. During other productions, he tends to use a mix so I assumed this show would be the same.
i totally respect your opinion, but can i just say - comedy peaked with keeri in firebringer, specifically “emberly, you just shat out a fire”
Aiden Palmer “ew i hate him” makes me laugh every time
S Christie or the whole squirrel part ‘no don’t give him a family’ and Lauren’s ‘I just finished killing my family’ and the whole squirrels are better at collecting bits then we will ever be part
What about the Turkey drawing skill! That one was one of my favorites.
Emberly's completely heartfelt "you would part with this hideous, shit-covered rock for me?" and basically all of the painting scene gets me every time. Or maybe I'm just a simp for Rachael, idk
ouchie you did a really good job
Unpopular opinion: "America is great again" from TGWDLM gets too little recognision.
It delivers the best mood for the final act, and if you imagine the chorus in your mind when you walk anywhere, you get a confidence boost!
What about 'What do you want Paul?' that song is really underrated
i think america is great again is AMAZING- the problem is it comes right after show stopping number, which is such a fan favorite so whatever comes after obviously can't live up to it.
Yeeeaaaahhhh very ominous and foreboding!
Personally I found Firebringer quite funny and enjoyable, but everyone has an opinion and I respect that. I agree with 'We got work to do' because it's overused outside the fandom BUT it is how I found Firebringer, and then Team Starkid, and so on, so I am grateful for that
anxious_ floss exactly! i wonder what my opinion would be if it wasn’t what got me into starkid. i think it’s not the best starkid show but it’ll always have that sentimental place and i still enjoy the music, plot, and comedy. we got work to do is just overplayed and not the best song in the soundtrack
Same. The vine clip of it got me into Starkid but I also agree that it's not that great
Yes I love Firebringer too!
oh, me too! Literally 2 months ago I googled the song and look where we are!
I agree with number 9, but Joey Richer had some o the best acting of his in that show, I love the scene where he tries to get Harry back, so powerful, even if the audio messed it up some.
Edit: also I agree heavily with numbers 10, 11, and 16
"I wanna be a modern dancer" is one of my most favorite moments. nick lang deserves more I agree
Yessss!!!!!!!! Robert did SUCH a good job with that song with his natural accent being Australian and his voice naturally being deep he did such a great job with it!
i was today years old when i found out that robert is australian
aliruchymusic dude i figured it out like an hour ago
also listen i know starship isnt their most polished show but its legitimately my favorite i have no idea why
Because it has the best love song, the best villain song and awesome fucking characters
Joey rocks that role in starship honestly. And Kick It Up A Notch is like a Disney song
Same! It makes me so emotional 😭 I literally tear up every time I hear "I wanna be a Starship Ranger"...
@@Sophia048 yes! Kick It Up a Notch is one of the best songs in the franchise.
it has this really sweet air that i love, i really feel its unintentionally the "cutest" starkid show and its one of the reasons i love it
I think firebringer is funny when you think about the fact that the humor is simple because they are cavemen. They have the humor of 13 year old boy because it’s simplistic and cavemen are simplistic
✨ CHARLOTTE APPRECIATION CLUB ✨
CHARLOTTE IS BREAKING MY HEAART
WE STAN CHARLOTTE
CHARLOTTE IS CUTE AF
Poor woman 😔
emilysue char
personally i liked bonnie’s version of hermione better than merediths
Sameee
Yea me too
Meredith’s version’s seemed like too much of a caricature and Bonnie’s seemed more realistic.
Same
I think Meredith captured Hermione's nervous energy better than Bonnie, while Bonnie was a more cool, level headed Hermione, so I guess it's up to preference.
Meredith also had to contest with Bonnie's legacy for the character, so she might have been trying too hard to be a different version of Hermione.
You're right, Nick Lang deserves SO much more recognition, who's with me?
Me
He’s literally the best part of starship apart from Dylan
Alright I mostly agree with 10/16! Dream a Little Harder is definitely very good. Charlotte was annoying but I didn’t really dislike her. Brian Holden is absolutely incredible. We Got Work To Do got outside of the fandom and I heard it way too much but the rest of the song is good. I really wish they’d been able to have a better production of AVPSY because they had so many people involved. Nick is so great!!!!! Obviously I love Show Stoppin Number. Ani has beautiful songs, the band included Clark and Meredith so of course it was great. MAMD is awesome, underrated, and funny probably because they really didn’t censor themselves. I WOULD CRY IF CLARK GOT A BIGGER ROLE OH MY GODS HE’S GREAT.
Oh yeah also I think Corey and Rachael are underrated but most appreciated out of the people that I think are underrated
I also agree with a lot of these but I feel like Denise is pretty underrated too.
Yasss. Clark!!!!
@@laurenmanion861 Clark is looooord
Why do I feel like I’m the only one in love with Charlotte hahahahaha
I can never tell how I feel about Meredith's Hermione because there are a lot of jokes made by/about Hermione in AVPSY that just make me uncomfortable to a greater extent than Hermione jokes in the other two shows (the implication that she was molested while petrified gets played for laughs and then brushed aside?? yikes) and her earnestness in delivering them really doesn't help :/ I don't mean to blame Meredith for those jokes though, and I believe that Starkid has come a long way over the years and some of their more off-color jokes from past shows would be handled with far more care today (i.e. McDoon in Trail to Oregon and Aladdin in Twisted are laughed at for being creeps rather than Mouthface or the Princess being laughed at for being victims of said creeps)
...this got off-topic pretty fast but it's something I've had on my mind for a while now and I guess I just needed to Let It Out (ha ha), would love to hear other people's thoughts on the subject!!
LET IT OUT, LET IT OUT, LET IT OUT
Am I crazy? I don’t think so
@@JavierPerez-cx4jw wait WHAT
@@JavierPerez-cx4jw Umbridge being raped by the centaurs as punishment for being a bad person... yikes.
@@JavierPerez-cx4jw wait Cho did WHAT
Baguette Gott that was consensual if you watched the end of AVPS again, she liked being with the centaurs
Me: oh, these cant be too unpopular, I probably share some of these
You: Meredith is a better Hermione than Bonnie
Me: * eye twitches *
tbh I mostly liked bonnie's hermione for her 'the coolest girl' performance and not over enunciating some stuff but other than that I think meredith's hermione is really great
That Brian Holden opinion is NOT unpopular, at least in my heart it isnt
Qtea831 right!
I love his voice :3 u right
He's my second favorite member, after Joe Walker.
I agree about Jeff's falsetto... I still love him tho
Yeah I hate it it just sounds whiney to me. Still love him!
I don’t think it’s annoying, just very overused
Lowkey think this should be called "starkid opinions that everyone's too afraid to admit"
The thing with Jeff's falsetto is that his notes are actually perfect almost all of the time. The only issue with it is that I don't think he's singing some words properly or correctly, and tends to sing them as if it were still in his chest voice and supporting it like it was his chest voice. No disrespect to him, I'm sure he's a professional. But if he was more accurate with his vocal modulations (mouth shape when singing a certain vowel) and adjusted it accordingly to where in his range he's singing, and got a bit more proper support for his falsetto then I reckon it'd be less annoying.
ik this is unpopular opinion but imagine thinking “not your seed” is a not good 😳
Christopher Martinez Ikr 😳 kinda embarrassing
It isn’t tho.. the overuse of runs kills the vibe. Mariah is like Christina Aguilar.
Amazing singer but is way waayyyy to extra
I agree christopher
I don’t have to imagine it
i LOVE COREY AND RACHEL SO MUCH!Ahem.I loved her in twisted,especially during that last but during a happy ending MWAH
She really blended playing a brat while still being a character you can enjoy and sympathize with.
0:35 that whole solo, Darren's mouthing along with Bonnie
he is emma watson in their cast
I totally agree with u on Jeff ‘s falsetto, I feel like he’s straining himself but he sounds super good when he’s in his normal range 😬
Lavender Roses I think it’s overused but if you listen to the soundtracks it can sound really good recorded well, for example at the end of what do you want Paul it’s great in the recording
“We Got Work To Do” is the “Old Town Road” of Starkid
i have never read a true-r statement than this one
omfg finally someone else agrees with me about jeff's voice. i also can't stand his lack of proper breathing and diction
If he doesn't have proper breathing habits then he's gonna damage his voice oh dear.
I think #13 especially shows in the last note of "What do you want, Paul?"
I remember during “show stopping number” when he went “business calls, I’m up to my ass in shit” I BURST OUT LAUGHING the first time I watched it and had to rewind it because I couldn’t hear over my own laughing
Also YES Ani is so underrated, and I remember looking up of the music was original because it was so good and had such 80s vibes I thought they were covers
I agree with 8-13 and 16. Corey really needs more love, Ani was great, and I hate fart jokes (although I do love the daughter pretending to be dead in her ending).
It wasn't fart jokes in the end of Trail to Oregon, dysentery results in lots of farting.
"Show Stopping Number" is truly a show stopping number, something for shock'em. It captures classic Broadway musical numbers so well and was done only by one performer without having any back dancers or assembles.
Yes! Every time I listen to it I marvel at how well it was written.
Lmao even the “unfunny” parts of Firebringer made me laugh
the only reason show stoppin number isnt my fav is bc i love cup of roasted/poison coffee slightly more
Dude at least you loved Show Stopping Number! It is the best song they've done!
Whoah, huge slam on Firebringer out of nowhere holy shit
Me, anytime someone says anything negative about Firebringer:
Love the joke though
1. AGREED
2. DISAGREE (it's the final third of the title song)
3. disagree
4. Now I'm upset
5. Agree
6. HOW DARE YOU
7. it does drag on a bit
8. disagree, let's get naked in a lake
9. Agree but the ending is still the most emotional of all their shows (because of the implications)
10. AGREED
11. Not even the best in the show, but it is very good (I will defend Let It Out to the death)
12. AGREED
13. Kinda agreed
14. Mostly agreed (tied with Ani for funniest for me, because that's where the humor comes in)
15. #justiceForCourtney
16. Devyn Lytle would like a word
Draztikus I mostly agree with you but I really love show stoping number
Let It Out is amazing
I started Starkid with TGWDLM and I had binged all the other shows but Show Stopping Number has still been my favorite through them all. The only one that got close was Kick it Up a Notch.
I mostly agree with you, yeah!
Let It Out is definitely the best song. I want to cover it at some point
I was in agreement until 7. For things like Charlotte, they're things I learned to love especially knowing what happens later in the musical, but "Not Your Seed" was so impact every time I watched it.
These are eighter "i mean, i can see where you are coming from" or "NO GOD NO. NOOOOO" no inbetween
I agree with 4, part of 6*, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 16.
*Overrated yes, annoying no
I agree with some of these and don’t agree with some but I respect you for sharing your opinion
For no.7 not your seed is one of my favourite songs, it just has a lot of emotion and really shows pff a character that didnt have much of a story at all
I agree
ANI is devastatingly underrated! That’s the show that I go to when I’ve had a bad day or I need a pick-me-up. And I love that it gives the less talented singers in Starkid a time to shine.
I wish people gave it the love it deserves.
I mean is Rachel underrated? I love her, but she has played two leading roles.
Yes, she could do more, but it's not like she has done nothing, while Corey indeed is underrated
I think it's less about her roles and more about the amount of praise from fans. Sh doesn't get talked about nearly as much as some of the others even though she is just as talented. Either way Corey is definitely underrated love him ❤
A lot of people didn’t realize she played both Emberly and the mother/Slippery When Wet and I think that’s partially because she isn’t talked about often. The first name I learned was Lauren’s and then probably Joey’s because they are very popular in the fandom , more so than Rachel. I would say even Meredith is underrated in the same way
@@christalcavanaugh I think it's actually a testament to her character. In all the roles she's played, she looks entirely different in each.
@@christalcavanaugh I love Rachel so much! All her roles are so different from each other and she does such a wonderful job. The only reason I could tell Princess from Twisted was also Slippery when wet is because of her distinct voice!
#7 had me internally screaming. I love Not Your Seed.
I tried really hard to like it, but I don’t understand the hype tbh. I don’t hate it, it just always falls slightly flat for me 🤷🏻♀️