Songs with Confusing Intros

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  • Опубліковано 27 жов 2020
  • At the start of a song, it takes our ears a moment to latch on to where the downbeat is, where the "one" is. So sometimes, songwriters can shift the beat in such a way that it throws off our internal sense of rhythm, leading to a confusing and ear-catching introduction. Today I'm taking a closer look at some of the best examples of this sneaky rhythmic trick in action!
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  • @DavidBennettPiano
    @DavidBennettPiano  3 роки тому +1274

    ❗ EXTRA DISCUSSION: I'm finding it really interesting that many of you hear "All Along The Watchtower" as having a three eighth note anacrusis, not a two eighth note anacrusis (in other words, it not having a confusing intro!). It doesn't matter what I do, when I count along with that intro, I always latch onto the first chord change as the downbeat (as described in the video). I definitely think it's the placement of the chord changes that's dictating the downbeat for me, but it's amazing that other people can hear it another way! People seem quite split on this one. For example, when you look at the sheet music available for it on MusicNotes, some show it my way, and some show it the other way! www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0074354 As always, it seems, no matter how much you learn about music, it never gets any less mysterious! 😄

    • @ErikNonIdle
      @ErikNonIdle 3 роки тому +88

      I was going to mention that. I hear it as being and-four-and-one-and-two.

    • @sarahtonin4649
      @sarahtonin4649 3 роки тому +39

      I'll just paraphrase what I said before, that these things are not mysterious if you think about the likelihood that The Beatles, or Jimi Hendrix, or Led Zeppelin, or others composed complex, multi-metered intros. I think that is very unlikely, not because they wouldn't have been capable, but because it makes more sense that they simply didn't start on count one. In "All Along the Watchtower," when the lead guitar comes in, it follows the same "and-four-and-one-and two" count as the intro chording, so I think that's just how he was feeling it. When my students come up against this, I clap along on the downbeats after we've determined what count the intro starts on. That seems to enable them most of the time to "unhear" what they thought it was.

    • @lukasbackestrom3931
      @lukasbackestrom3931 3 роки тому +14

      I still hear it The wrong way too this day. But a good starting point is to listen Bob Dylans version, then you'll be able to hear The syncopation in The guitar riff

    • @bashtracks
      @bashtracks 3 роки тому +44

      It's just in 4/4 all the way through. It's confusing on first listen, I agree (mostly because of the drums, I think) but the clue is to go check out the ending. There they play the same motif as a background for the solo, and that gives away the time signature of the intro. :-)

    • @yteixeira
      @yteixeira 3 роки тому +11

      To me the drums are to blame, as the snare hits on the anacrusis but the downbeat is left empty. Also, the guitar phrase ends after the downbeat (metacrusis), the whole thing is briefly misleading. Quite elegant.

  • @lizzie1335
    @lizzie1335 3 роки тому +7838

    david bennett piano essentials: a beatles example and a radiohead example

    • @ShirubaGin
      @ShirubaGin 3 роки тому +850

      The only musicians that exist are Radiohead and The Beatles

    • @JohnEndres1974
      @JohnEndres1974 3 роки тому +235

      May he never change.

    • @LeLoMa
      @LeLoMa 3 роки тому +49

      YES.

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano  3 роки тому +1682

      When I was 14 I got my first MP3 player and, no joke, all I had on it for the first year was The Beatles back catalogue and each Beatle's solo back catalogue.

    • @ArloQuilt
      @ArloQuilt 3 роки тому +77

      @@DavidBennettPiano that’s amazing 😂

  • @michaelvandeginste3497
    @michaelvandeginste3497 3 роки тому +386

    "High Hopes" by Pink Floyd. The bell that fades in becomes the off beat when the piano part starts.

    • @thesmashfloydian
      @thesmashfloydian 2 роки тому +23

      Similar concept in “Runaway” by Kanye West. The piano by itself sounds like it’s on the 1, then when the beat starts you suddenly realize it’s on the 2

    • @thesmashfloydian
      @thesmashfloydian 2 роки тому +5

      Lol I should’ve scrolled down like 2 comments before saying exactly the same thing someone else has already said

    • @ThadTheDragon
      @ThadTheDragon 2 роки тому +3

      I was waiting for this example.
      This was the first one I thought of.

    • @mostlymotiongraphics2134
      @mostlymotiongraphics2134 2 роки тому +1

      I don't listen to this album enough. It's the first CD I bought, but I end up listening to Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here on a more regular basis

  • @gavinmitchell1328
    @gavinmitchell1328 9 місяців тому +79

    Strangely enough, All Along The Watchtower makes perfect sense to me because I hear the guitar riff start on the and of 3, not beat 4. Crazy how different people can hear it differently!

    • @TraceyLarvenz
      @TraceyLarvenz 8 місяців тому +5

      Same. I’m reading the transcription in the video going, “the transcription’s off by an eight note, not the intro.”

    • @Humbucker-hg9ku
      @Humbucker-hg9ku 8 місяців тому +1

      I can’t hear this wrong. I think it is brilliant what Jimi did but I don’t find it hard to follow. Anyone else?

    • @stevesheroan4131
      @stevesheroan4131 8 місяців тому +2

      Same with Rock and Roll. Start on the ‘and’ of 3 and it makes perfect sense.

    • @stevesheroan4131
      @stevesheroan4131 8 місяців тому

      Try ‘Tell Me Something Good’ by Rufus & Chaka Khan, Lonely Boy by Andrew Gold, or Frontiers by Journey.

    • @slimygastrodon4905
      @slimygastrodon4905 Місяць тому

      Agreed

  • @bobgreen8142
    @bobgreen8142 2 роки тому +76

    The intro to Marquee Moon has a confusing effect - when the drums come in they seem to play across the guitar part as if they have started on the wrong beat, but once your ear discern where the downbeat is the effect is really uplifting.

  • @J2HATMgoo
    @J2HATMgoo 3 роки тому +577

    David say “everybody’s got something to hide except me and my monkey” is the most inadvertently funny thing ever

    • @annaclarafenyo8185
      @annaclarafenyo8185 3 роки тому +7

      It's funny because he doesn't seem to understand that it's about killing yourself with heroin.

    • @J2HATMgoo
      @J2HATMgoo 3 роки тому +30

      @@annaclarafenyo8185 yeah i just said it was funny because the song name i funny but yeah okay my guy

    • @annaclarafenyo8185
      @annaclarafenyo8185 3 роки тому +3

      @@J2HATMgoo It just bothers me that David is oblivious to the horrific subtext of the Beatles, that they committed brain-suicide by drugs in public over 4 years, from 1966 to 1970.

    • @J2HATMgoo
      @J2HATMgoo 3 роки тому +32

      @@annaclarafenyo8185 they didn’t tho. Only john took hard drugs. Only john was in serious health trouble due to drugs. Yeah they took drugs but they took drugs but only LSD and weed. Brain suicide implies that they pretty much killed themselves but thats just not the case. And also david really only focuses on the musical aspect kf things

    • @annaclarafenyo8185
      @annaclarafenyo8185 3 роки тому +4

      @@J2HATMgoo LSD is a hard drug which destroys your brain, every musician who took LSD declined. Musicians aren't suppose to peak at the age of 26, musicians who don't take drugs, like Frank Zappa, make their best music in middle-age.
      McCartney and Starr, along with John Lennon, both took cocaine in the 70s and made a show about it. Ringo ended up having trouble controlling his violent tendencies because of his drug abuse.
      The Beatles started out as an amphetamine band, like Elvis. They transitioned to LSD with revolver. They transitioned to white-powder drugs on the White Album, only McCartney stayed on "The Fool on the Hill" (marijuana).
      Their compositions are directly about the experience of taking drugs. The taking of said drugs led a generation to wipe out their minds. One of those drug-burnouts then shot John Lennon.

  • @GiveZeeAChance
    @GiveZeeAChance 3 роки тому +66

    "Hey Ya" starts with a countoff of "1, 2, 3" on beats 2, 3, and 4. It never bugged me but confused the hell out of a drummer I played with in college

    • @rosskeenum4413
      @rosskeenum4413 3 роки тому +14

      For Hey Ya the more confusing part is the measure of 2/4 thrown in on every phrase. 3 bars 4/4, 1 bar 2/4, 2 bars 4/4.
      You end up with a with a delightfully weird 22 beat groove

    • @GiveZeeAChance
      @GiveZeeAChance 3 роки тому +2

      @@rosskeenum4413 Yeah, the funny part is that drummer had no problem with that. I personally find neither aspect confusing but the bars of 2/4 make that song fun to play when it could otherwise be pretty boring

    • @jfelix3523
      @jfelix3523 3 роки тому +2

      @Director_Coulson yes, years ago when my band decided to add this song to our set list, I had never heard it before, but when we listened to it at a practice, I thought "what a way to screw you up right from the top."

    • @gurrrn1102
      @gurrrn1102 2 роки тому +1

      Hey Ya is the only hit song to be in 22/4 time 🧐

  • @officialbandjonger
    @officialbandjonger Рік тому +82

    Cannonball by the Breeders is another good example. Love the intro but it's hard to nail doing a cover when you're first learning it.

    • @indiegun
      @indiegun 11 місяців тому +2

      Another band Kim Deal played in, The Pixies, crafted a similarly tricky intro with Kim's opening bass line to the song 'Gigantic'.
      I also remember squinting at first trying to figure out where to land the downbeat to start the opening vocal on a song that sounds trickier than it is: 'A Bell Will Ring' by Oasis.
      I love these deceptive intros...

    • @officialbandjonger
      @officialbandjonger 11 місяців тому +1

      @@indiegun This reply is crazy, because I noticed that for the first time after re-listening just yesterday!

    • @indiegun
      @indiegun 11 місяців тому

      ​@@officialbandjonger
      Awesome! That's a crazy coincidence. I've always loved covering these songs no other bands really do.
      I checked out your channel BTW. You guys sound really cool. You should try and do some studio-type recording. Even a home-studio setup would be a great next step. Heck - even a Zoom R16 or R24 would let you guys put out some stellar multi-track recordings. I'd love to hear your stuff in a bit cleaner format!

    • @breakfreak3181
      @breakfreak3181 9 місяців тому +1

      Never really noticed that about Cannonball. Always sounds like it drops in on the one to me!

    • @nicholaskeeling5036
      @nicholaskeeling5036 9 місяців тому

      @@breakfreak3181Yeah listening to it now, it doesn’t sound rhythmically irregular at all. Maybe the confusion is coming from the bass modulating upwards as the beat hits?

  • @january8175
    @january8175 2 роки тому +34

    “You Really Got Me” by The Kinks is a great example of this! It always throws me off at first

    • @Angelo-r-b
      @Angelo-r-b Рік тому

      yesss that was the first thing that came to mind

    • @BarthiArgento
      @BarthiArgento Рік тому

      The first time its confusing but if you start again after just understanding it gets easy the second time

    • @SuperNevile
      @SuperNevile Рік тому

      "All You Need Is Love" by The Beatles is another. Starts in 4/4 and then alternates 3/4 and 4/4

    • @DaveSmithCA
      @DaveSmithCA 9 місяців тому

      Eddie Van Halen's intro is even more so

  • @bobwoolerOriGinal
    @bobwoolerOriGinal 3 роки тому +173

    He somehow managed to forget the mother of all confusing intros: Kinks' You Really Got Me.

    • @ledkicker2392
      @ledkicker2392 3 роки тому +9

      Yes! Took a while to understand that the intro riff and the chorus riff are the same, because the intro sounded like it's starting from the on beat

    • @BillGraper
      @BillGraper 3 роки тому

      Yep, that's the one I thought would make it for sure! I still can't figure it out when I listen to it. LOL

    • @terrypussypower
      @terrypussypower 3 роки тому +13

      What? You find the intro confusing? Hmm.....I just went and listened and I always hit the "one" on the second guitar stroke. And I've been trying to hear it another way but can't.
      What guitar stroke do you hear the "one" hit on?
      Is it "DUH duh duh duh DUH"
      ....Instead of "duh DUH duh duh DUH"?

    • @ledkicker2392
      @ledkicker2392 3 роки тому

      @@terrypussypower exactly, that's how I heard the riff for the very first time, you could really expect drums to come on the first note
      If you're trying to hear it, try to imagine drum hits on the first and the last note of the riff

    • @BillGraper
      @BillGraper 3 роки тому +1

      @@terrypussypower I've always heard it "DUH duh duh duh DUH." Then it would switch when the drums started. A couple days ago, I tried really hard to hear it the correct way. After listening to it over & over, I was finally able to hear it as "duh DUH duh duh DUH." It was very difficult, but I think I can finally hear it correctly from the beginning now.

  • @JayForeman
    @JayForeman 3 роки тому +780

    Not an intro, but I've always found it impossible to latch on to the "don't worry now, don't worry now" section of Bandages by Hot Hot Heat. Despite knowing on paper where it is, and counting loudly along, (and despite the time signature not actually changing at all) my brain refuses to hear " *DON'T* worry now", instead of "don't *WORRY* now".

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano  3 роки тому +112

      I can hear what you mean! There is an added beat at the start of the section, but then a skipped beat at the end which cancels it out so they never really leave 4/4! I think it's the drums which is dictating that we hear it this way - clever little trick!

    • @ignorantFid
      @ignorantFid 3 роки тому +2

      I can't hear it that way, I only hear "DON'T worry now" @_@

    • @calebfudrums
      @calebfudrums 3 роки тому +72

      WOAH A MAP MAN!

    • @sahiblindberg
      @sahiblindberg 3 роки тому +10

      Jay you are the man! Greetings from Finland

    • @alextheguitarist7282
      @alextheguitarist7282 3 роки тому +3

      Hello, nice to see you here.

  • @Ciaronski11
    @Ciaronski11 2 роки тому +12

    "I Just Wanna Live" by Good Charlotte always gets me. The strings in the intro sound like they start on the off beat because of the dominance of the bass note but when the drums come in they're on the beat and it throws me completely. No matter how many times I've listened to it

  • @TaliMonaghan
    @TaliMonaghan Рік тому +7

    I always got confused when my band was playing the intro of "you really got me" by the kinks, none of the rest of my band seemed to notice anything but the second note of the riff starts on the beat, not the first, and i was glad i wasnt the drummer that had to figure out where to come in

  • @lucadicriscio5614
    @lucadicriscio5614 2 роки тому +398

    Another confusing intro can Be Found On “Everybody Wants To Rule The World” By Tears For Fears

    • @emilycinnamon
      @emilycinnamon 2 роки тому +18

      That is one of my most favorite songs💗

    • @IlGreven
      @IlGreven 2 роки тому +11

      I never seem to get thrown off by it, but I can get where that opening embellishment can throw people off...

    • @Margar02
      @Margar02 2 роки тому +2

      Yes!

    • @station2station544
      @station2station544 2 роки тому +1

      I've always noticed this - PERFECT example.

    • @avlisk
      @avlisk 2 роки тому +4

      YES! That's the one I've never figured out. It seems to me as if they had 2 tunes and someone spliced them together in a drunken moment and it was accidentally released that way.

  • @pkelly206
    @pkelly206 3 роки тому +505

    this better have a radiohead example in it

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano  3 роки тому +211

      😏😏

    • @robbiepeterh
      @robbiepeterh 3 роки тому +17

      Identikit came to my mind.

    • @TheInselaffen
      @TheInselaffen 3 роки тому +20

      Beatles, check. Radiohead, check.

    • @pkelly206
      @pkelly206 3 роки тому +5

      @@DavidBennettPiano alot of amsp has some good examples of this i feel, its hard to find a beat in the start of desert island disk, identikit and the numbers your first few listens, also excellent video as per usual!

    • @tacultube
      @tacultube 3 роки тому +16

      actually Pyramid Song has two minutes of confusing intro/song until the drums start

  • @luvmenow33
    @luvmenow33 2 роки тому +15

    Music is so simple and so complex.
    What a wonderful channel you have here.
    I just hope it's not all musicians watching and it's alot of people learning music theory for the first time.
    Not to mention all the wonderful songs your introducing to people

  • @maryvallas772
    @maryvallas772 2 роки тому +11

    The first song that sprang to mind when I saw this title was "Bring On The Night" by the Police. The Bass guitar starts and sets up the beat, then the kick drum backs it up and solidifies it, but then the guitar finger picking and vocals come in and smash it apart! It's beautiful and brilliant, but confusing!!!

    • @MihaiIordacheJazz
      @MihaiIordacheJazz 8 місяців тому

      The Police has a lot of these. Spirits In The Material World comes to mind.

  • @justalittleguywithsomeproz1162
    @justalittleguywithsomeproz1162 3 роки тому +61

    born under punches by talking heads has to have one of the most disorienting and terrifying song openings ever

    • @monkeybusiness673
      @monkeybusiness673 2 роки тому

      Holy heck...Rhythmically it's not all that confusing to me, but what the everloving jeebs is the bass doing?! O_O

  • @philbushell1420
    @philbushell1420 2 роки тому +72

    Misty Mountain Hop by Led Zeppelin starts with the Piano intro which only identifies as being on the off beat once Bonham's drums kick in around the 5th bar. Always gets me!

    • @GregoryGeller
      @GregoryGeller 8 місяців тому +1

      Can't believe how long I had to scroll to find Misty Mountain Hop

  • @jasonhorn901
    @jasonhorn901 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for these videos. I'm a novice myself, but find this absolutely fascinating.
    I really appreciate all the time that you put into these videos and your willingness to share your valuable and insightful expertise.

  • @dogthedogblack
    @dogthedogblack 2 роки тому +8

    One Ocean by Chevelle is another great example. It has such wonderful guitar intro, and when the rest of the band starts playing it becomes even more beautiful

  • @escaperoomleander1948
    @escaperoomleander1948 2 роки тому +476

    The great thing about having zero music knowledge is that I can't even define what the downbeat is, therefore I can never be tricked into thinking a piece of music is supposed to do anything a certain way.
    I just enjoy what I'm hearing.

    • @SirArthurTheGreat
      @SirArthurTheGreat 2 роки тому +48

      That’s not how feeling music inherently works. You can still have a feel for these things through unconscious exposure to rhythm norms without having to have a knowledge of it.

    • @escaperoomleander1948
      @escaperoomleander1948 2 роки тому +20

      @@SirArthurTheGreat There's a video where Harry Connick Jr. "adds" a beat to a song in a live performance because the audience was clapping on the "wrong" beat.
      Other than the band being excited about how now the audience was clapping on the "right" beat, nobody else could tell...or cared.

    • @th3giv3r
      @th3giv3r 2 роки тому +17

      You sound like the kind of person who will stop at nothing to not just defend but exalt ignorance. You're not content in just existing with your pride in your lack of knowledge about anything, you are actively offended that somebody could WANT to attain knowledge about anything and feel personally attacked by this so you endeavor to undermine the validity of that pursuit.
      You remind me of the last American president.

    • @escaperoomleander1948
      @escaperoomleander1948 2 роки тому +25

      @@th3giv3r Incorrect. I've tried to learn the difference between clapping on the beat, or clapping on the downbeat (or whatever music people call the "wrong" time to clap, even if the entire audience is clapping at that time).
      I can't tell the difference. And yet, I enjoy the music. Unlike certain educated assholes, who can't enjoy a piece of music unless it's "correct," according to whatever bullshit theory they have learned and know.
      Ignorance is sometimes bliss, and there's nothing wrong with that.
      You might "understand" modern art in a way that allows you to enjoy a giant red square painted on a blue background, and why it's perfectly okay for you to have paid $17 million for it. Good for you. You just blew $17 million on a red square on a blue field. Ignorance depends on your point of view.

    • @Scionilex317
      @Scionilex317 2 роки тому +14

      @@escaperoomleander1948 Ignorance is never a good thing, wtf are you on about. Complacency with ignorance is expected, defending it is asinine. There's a reason why ignorant people are easily forgivable because "they didn't know any better". But you're an example of willful ignorance, the kind that nobody likes.
      Also making a strawman with modern art doesn't help your case, you just sound like a tired old man.

  • @azb2a
    @azb2a 3 роки тому +26

    Less than 1 minute into the video and we already have a Beatles example. Love it

  • @MusicalAddictionOnlineLessons
    @MusicalAddictionOnlineLessons 2 роки тому +4

    Love finding these little things out when I'm scoring music. Tempo changes, or lack of, is a minefield with some drummers especially when you find out whether or not they're using a click track.

  • @cursedbernard5598
    @cursedbernard5598 2 роки тому +1

    You Really Got Me is the first song that springs to mind. Gets me every time.

  • @drtimsparks
    @drtimsparks 3 роки тому +138

    For the 'watchtower' hendrix example, it makes a lot more sense to me if you put beat one on the fourth eighth note/quaver chord of the opening riff (and 4 and 1 and 2), rather than the third that you use (4 and 1 and 2 and). Then, there's no need to add any extra beat anywhere, it's just 4/4 all the way through - no need to overcomplicate...

    • @konkey-dong
      @konkey-dong 3 роки тому +2

      it sounds like the cover he used accents that chord too to really hammer home the '4/4iness' of it

    • @yteixeira
      @yteixeira 3 роки тому

      I feel the guitar laying the downbeat on the second 8th note, so there is a full beat added somewhere after. To me makes more sense that way.

    • @ethandexter9470
      @ethandexter9470 3 роки тому +4

      I felt it the same way!

    • @yteixeira
      @yteixeira 3 роки тому +6

      Went back to Hendrix to check it out. You are right, there is no extra beat. But I still feel that the snare drum and the guitar kind of mislead my ears on the downbeat on the first measure.

    • @dcaccavo1
      @dcaccavo1 3 роки тому +3

      @@konkey-dong the easiest way to start "re-teaching" yourself how to count it is to splice a count-off onto it. It starts on "3-and.."

  • @c.andamir
    @c.andamir 3 роки тому +63

    The intro of Beatles' Drive my Car is pretty confusing, too.

    • @transformationgeneration
      @transformationgeneration 3 роки тому +17

      I play bass on this in a Tribute band. I had to throw aside any attempt at a count and just allow myself to find it naturally. Now, I come in on my intro riff exactly like the record every time. How or why? I have no idea; it just happens, naturally.

    • @fabiocardelli
      @fabiocardelli 3 роки тому

      Yes!!!

    • @louisknupling9086
      @louisknupling9086 3 роки тому +3

      We rehearsed it soo many times - and it still does not work when you try to count. Just like you say, it comes naturally

  • @jonathanlafrance8643
    @jonathanlafrance8643 11 місяців тому +2

    You’re videos are SO GOOD! Lots of prep. Brilliant! Great teacher.

  • @DavidCobb2011
    @DavidCobb2011 2 роки тому +2

    I always love Tragically Hip’s “The Darkest One”. What starts out so confusing wonderfully merges into a tight syncopated groove. Canadian genius at work. 😊

  • @jcthefluteman
    @jcthefluteman 2 роки тому +551

    One intro that always confused me was Everybody Wants To Rule The World by Tears for Fears, took me a long time to figure that one out

    • @macaronandcheese1811
      @macaronandcheese1811 2 роки тому +2

      oh hi jcthefluteman

    • @lucyjohnson8727
      @lucyjohnson8727 2 роки тому +12

      I think it's like 5/4 time or something like that which makes it sound a bit weird

    • @seveneightsixone5992
      @seveneightsixone5992 2 роки тому +30

      its just 12/8?

    • @kingcaliph5135
      @kingcaliph5135 2 роки тому +4

      I found it confusing as well

    • @pay9011
      @pay9011 2 роки тому +2

      I recall the odd beat being analyzed in some of the YT drum covers. Or maybe the guitar covers.

  • @PianoVampire
    @PianoVampire 3 роки тому +384

    Beetlebum by Blur - he even counts it in at the start yet it still throws me every time, because the vocals sound like they are off time if you count with the timing - maybe Damon Albarn was also confused and they left it in the mix!

    • @darkeye79
      @darkeye79 3 роки тому +3

      My thoughts too

    • @BulletDrummer
      @BulletDrummer 3 роки тому +11

      This is a good shout. Listen to the slides in the main riff during the intro compared to when the verse vocals come in. In the intro it sounds like it's coming in on the 4, but because Graham Coxon strums the D chord at the end off the riff for an additional note, when the vocals come in it shifts the slide onto the 1.

    • @ollycole4917
      @ollycole4917 3 роки тому +23

      Great shout, Beetlebum is the absolute worst for this. Get it wrong in my head every single time. I just always think the slide note is the third note because it kind of replicates the snare in a drum beat... but the slide is the first note.

    • @orrerybandcleveland1255
      @orrerybandcleveland1255 3 роки тому +8

      Checked out the Blur song and it is straight as an arrow. 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @Griloso
      @Griloso 3 роки тому +2

      I was going to comment this. This song throws me off every time.

  • @JillCheese
    @JillCheese 9 місяців тому +6

    For me, it's 777-9311 by Morris Day and the Time. Once you latch on to that A1 drum riff, once the downbeat comes in, you have this moment of shock that makes you feel like you're running away from the beat. I love and hate it at the same time😂

  • @kath_nanaya6803
    @kath_nanaya6803 Рік тому +8

    I'm really fond of the way Between the Wheels by Rush does this, it's a really cool effect especially in the r30 live version

  • @cpgrayca
    @cpgrayca 3 роки тому +93

    "Everybody wants to rule the world" by Tears for Fears has a rhythmically tricky into.

    • @derlinstiles
      @derlinstiles 3 роки тому +10

      This song. I know how to count it properly (now) but it still feels very forced and unnatural when I do it. I think it's because I had this rhythm in my head a certain way (shifted an eighth) for so long, starting when I was a kid

    • @bmac4
      @bmac4 3 роки тому +7

      That's more due to the swing groove I feel

    • @derlinstiles
      @derlinstiles 3 роки тому +4

      I think what also throws me off is that the first guitar note starts before the down beat and slides up to the note on the down beat, so there is no transient happening on the first down beat to orient myself

    • @hannahofhorror
      @hannahofhorror 3 роки тому +3

      Yup. Now it's all too familiar, but I remember it confusing me.

    • @ccalebcampbell2941
      @ccalebcampbell2941 3 роки тому +4

      Yes! The guitar solo sounds like 3/4 played on the downbeat in 3/2 time with an extra 8th note at the end until the band comes in and establishes the 6/8 time signature.

  • @blaynecookmusic
    @blaynecookmusic 3 роки тому +92

    The intro to “Hold the Line” by Toto has always confused my ear until the drums enter and clear it up!

    • @artwitha.g.8955
      @artwitha.g.8955 3 роки тому +1

      Me too !! The first few times I’ve heard the song I was rly thrown off !

    • @dickiebobradio1304
      @dickiebobradio1304 3 роки тому +1

      Is it regular or do they throw an extra beat in there?

    • @satiric_
      @satiric_ 3 роки тому +7

      @@dickiebobradio1304 It's regular. The initial snare hit is on 4, and the piano comes in on 1.

    • @robeads6913
      @robeads6913 3 роки тому +3

      As a keyboardist, I had to learn to count triplets on the count-off to the song to nail it. 12/8 time signature with hemiola syncopations.

    • @millercgr
      @millercgr 3 роки тому +2

      @@robeads6913 David Paich of Toto was inspired by Sly and the Family Stone's intro to Hot Fun in the Summertime

  • @zoemae5583
    @zoemae5583 Рік тому +1

    One song intro that jars me upon listening every time; is Peaches “F*€k the pain away”, it takes me a moment to readjust to the beat

  • @lilbullet111
    @lilbullet111 8 місяців тому +2

    my example of this was always 'Mind Eraser, No Chaser' by Them Crooked Vultures. I remember hearing it as a kid and feeling the whole placement of the riff flip as the drums came in, blew my little mind 😂

  • @greglizee3040
    @greglizee3040 3 роки тому +83

    "Spirits in the Material World" by the Police gets me every time.

    • @j_freed
      @j_freed 3 роки тому +7

      I hear it plain as day but those reggae upbeats on the chords are there to mess with rock listeners (Probably not so much Bob Marley fans.)
      Here's a way to hear it correctly - on the opening drum fill, the final note of that IS the ONE...

    • @barrysinclair354
      @barrysinclair354 3 роки тому +2

      I am a bass player and this is one song I mention as being impossible to figure out

    • @mickdriver3942
      @mickdriver3942 3 роки тому +4

      I play bass, and one way I like to wind up drummers is to suggest that we play any song with Stuart Copeland on drums. Never fails to get a rise.

    • @GeoffCanyon
      @GeoffCanyon 3 роки тому +1

      Sure, "Spirits," but how can you bring that up and not also mention "Invisible Sun"? That intro gives me nothing to hang on to.

    • @4r1mAS
      @4r1mAS 3 роки тому

      finally someone

  • @JamoboBorg
    @JamoboBorg 3 роки тому +128

    I was not expecting anyone to talk about the Rasmus in 2020...!

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano  3 роки тому +32

      It's been a crazy year hasn't it!

    • @GameplayKuningas
      @GameplayKuningas 3 роки тому +13

      A freaking Finnish band used as an example. What a year

    • @cee2373
      @cee2373 3 роки тому +5

      @@GameplayKuningas Torille!

    • @carringtonpilon1310
      @carringtonpilon1310 3 роки тому +8

      Right?! I was a little surprised I even remembered the song to be honest but my inner middle school emo was rocking out like a doofus nonetheless.

    • @Leo4gzs
      @Leo4gzs 3 роки тому +2

      Came to the comment section to find this.

  • @descendingforth
    @descendingforth Місяць тому +1

    Just what I needed by the cars is a great example of this!

  • @securerofthebag2890
    @securerofthebag2890 2 роки тому +8

    Tattooed Love Boys by The Pretenders is a great example of this. The time signature swaps rapidly throughout the intro and the instrumental bits of the song and it creates an effect where it kinda jerks your brain out. It switches from 7/4 to 8/4 repeatedly iirc.

  • @robbiepeterh
    @robbiepeterh 3 роки тому +38

    Dead clever how you source all the tracks so that you don’t infringe on copyright ✌🏻

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano  3 роки тому +32

      It's a bloody mission! Thanks for the appreciation 😃😃

  • @TroyBlackford
    @TroyBlackford 3 роки тому +72

    Your videos are the best. I love your musical analyses. Not a lot of channels like this. A million movie analysis channels, video game analysis, or music theory channels, but this is by far the best channel even attempting this. I'm a huge supporter even if I can't do patreon or anything right now (family is recovering from losing a child after a lengthy cancer battle, so it isn't that I don't want to).

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano  3 роки тому +15

      Thanks Troy! I'm really glad you enjoy my videos! And I hope your family is ok 🙂🎵

    • @TroyBlackford
      @TroyBlackford 3 роки тому +18

      @@DavidBennettPiano My pleasure. Thank you. It's been hard: little Adrian was the sweetest, smartest, kindest, funniest little boy I've ever met. His absence is felt deeply every day. We are all trying to keep going. His big brother turned seven in the summer and it's been rough on him, as you can imagine. But in the good news department: we have a baby girl coming at the end of January and we're very excited to meet her! I also had to leave my job to take care of little Adrian full-time, and when I started looking for work again, COVID happened, but I'm finally working at a great place that helps people, starting earlier this month, so that's a lot less stress. Sorry to spill my guts out! But I appreciate you taking the time to be nice.

  • @bbxdesign
    @bbxdesign Рік тому +2

    I've been keeping a playlist on Spotify called "Offbeat" for exactly this type of songs. Will add the ones from this video to the playlist.

  • @johnpiercy3562
    @johnpiercy3562 Рік тому +48

    Although I have been listening to it for decades, the drum intro for "In the Air Tonight" by Phil Collins always takes me a bar or three to pick out the downbeat.

    • @slacklinebernie
      @slacklinebernie 11 місяців тому +1

      Yes, was the first thing that came to mind.

    • @juaneliascampastri732
      @juaneliascampastri732 9 місяців тому

      You can think the phrase “Stranger to you and me” as the 1 2 3 4 count before the fill

  • @brucelang626
    @brucelang626 3 роки тому +47

    The Beatles drive my car, I even found an outtake with the count in, but it still throws me! I guess when you hear a song for so many years a certain way, your brain gets trained!

    • @MyNameIsJakeBolton
      @MyNameIsJakeBolton 3 роки тому +1

      As a bass player, this took me so long to get right but now I get it every time

  • @toddleopold742
    @toddleopold742 3 роки тому +45

    "I'm Free" by the Who gets me every time.

    • @scottmelton8414
      @scottmelton8414 3 роки тому +7

      You're not the only one. Watch a live video of "I'm Free," Pete is clearly planting his foot on the downbeat for Keith's sake. LOL.

    • @ernesttenesmusstb9074
      @ernesttenesmusstb9074 3 роки тому +1

      I scroll down the comments quickly to see if anyone else was going to mention “I’m free“. I will have to watch a live video and see if that helps me figure it out after all these decades of failure.

    • @rednoise0
      @rednoise0 3 роки тому

      @@scottmelton8414 - The Who eventually changed the "I'm Free" rhythm up a bit on the movie soundtrack and live thereafter, I assume in order to increase the chances that everybody could find the downbeat together!

  • @chandlermccoy1813
    @chandlermccoy1813 Рік тому +1

    "Lights out" by Royal Blood. Such a very simple intro. Just 7 eighth notes, but with no context it can be enough to misplace where you hear the beat. Interesting how our brains fill in the gaps when not enough information is available. Music is a great reflection of how our brains work. Beautiful!

    • @custard228
      @custard228 19 днів тому

      This is the first song that came to mind for me, iconic!

  • @joeherbert7555
    @joeherbert7555 Рік тому +8

    'Lonely Boy' by Andrew Gold is a good example.
    Also, Foghat's 'Take it or Leave it'.

  • @untexan
    @untexan 2 роки тому +29

    “Minute By Minute” by the Doobie Brothers. The keyboard intro makes you think it’s in a driving 4/4 beat, but then the drums start in and you realize the song is actually in a slower 6/8.

    • @jacklarson6281
      @jacklarson6281 2 роки тому

      do you think "It keeps you running" would also fall into that catagory?

    • @BruceCichowlas
      @BruceCichowlas 2 роки тому

      I love to play "Minute By Minute" alone or with a band for exactly that reason!

  • @PianoVampire
    @PianoVampire 3 роки тому +305

    Just by the title I knew Sex on Fire would be in here - I've yet to meet a guitarist that starts it right...

    • @Twannnng
      @Twannnng 3 роки тому +64

      As a guitarist I've gotta say we (well, I) start it just fine, it's getting the drummer to come in correctly that takes forever!

    • @Robbedem
      @Robbedem 3 роки тому +5

      @@Twannnng lol :)

    • @Spectrefreezy
      @Spectrefreezy 3 роки тому +18

      The guitar is the first instrument meaning the drum is responsible for getting the timing right...

    • @krautgazer
      @krautgazer 3 роки тому +15

      @@Spectrefreezy What if you're the drummer getting it right but as soon as you enter, the guitarist mixes it up? That could also happen. :P Worse if they complain that you're the one entering at the wrong beat.

    • @Spectrefreezy
      @Spectrefreezy 3 роки тому +7

      @@krautgazer I'm sure that could happen and has happened. That would be unpleasant.
      I think bands have those issues all the time, but it can be fun if you're playing with friends and you get to master the song together!

  • @DressedForDrowning
    @DressedForDrowning Рік тому +1

    1:51 - "our ears have no way of knowing it" ... thanks for saying this. I always thought, I'm a bad musician, because I haven't realized what's really going on there. Now I know that we (the listeners) have been deliberately tricked. These "confusing intros" are ... so confusing 🙂

  • @alancharles6789
    @alancharles6789 2 роки тому +1

    I’ve always thought that in Making Plans for Nigel by XTC, the drums steam along nicely and when the guitar comes in its out of step! After 30+ years I cannot unhear it!

  • @slamcrank
    @slamcrank 3 роки тому +160

    I would say that Zeppelin's "Misty Mountain Hop" has a more confusing intro than "Rock And Roll", but probably not as fun to explain.

    • @DonyaLane
      @DonyaLane 3 роки тому +3

      YES! Thank you! That's my other lifelong conundrum.

    • @DonyaLane
      @DonyaLane 3 роки тому +5

      I just went and gave it a listen and confirmed why it is confusing. (Haven't listened to that song in like, 25 years.) The pickup is only a problem the first time you hear the song, but after you know how it goes, you know to feel that opening pickup on the "and of 4." The thing that was always continuing to throw me and keep me second guessing myself is the phrasing and optional way of interpreting the vocal melody. But if you just keep counting in 4, it will all come out in the wash, but until they land on the chorus (which settles into a 2/2 feel), it just feels so uncertain... AND I LOVE IT!

    • @harleck9119
      @harleck9119 3 роки тому +7

      ​@@DonyaLane I've always found that intro "logical" in terms of tempo. Maybe it's because I've listened the song uncountable times so I got used to it lol

    • @DonyaLane
      @DonyaLane 3 роки тому +3

      @@harleck9119 , yeah... kinda like what I was saying above... it's only a problem the first time you hear it. But after that, you then know where it lands. It was fun revisiting this song! Great record!

    • @harleck9119
      @harleck9119 3 роки тому +1

      @@DonyaLane agree!!

  • @adibudica
    @adibudica 3 роки тому +277

    Pyramid song - intro, song starts, song ends, 100000 debates online and we still don’t know where the beat actually is. We have theories yes.

    • @fettycheese2498
      @fettycheese2498 3 роки тому +10

      David has done an entire video on this actually.
      Here’s the link: ua-cam.com/video/MdZSOoOF5Ms/v-deo.html

    • @mukaria3734
      @mukaria3734 3 роки тому +7

      what? pyramid song is just a mix of 3/4 and 2/4 bars on which dotted quarters float, if i remember it correctly

    • @fettycheese2498
      @fettycheese2498 3 роки тому +18

      @@mukaria3734 It’s actually just in 4/4. It’s just a two bar loop of 2 dotted quarter notes, a tied (I’m forgetting the name) note, and then 2 dotted quarter notes. David had made it very simple.

    • @jasoncampbell3955
      @jasoncampbell3955 3 роки тому +13

      A very strange song... As a drummer... I know this may seem bizarre (and I will be questioned on this), but trust me when I say that it really can be counted as 4/4 with all things considered... But again, I know there will be people who will over-complicate it and will separate each measure into an assortment of different time signatures... But in the end, it's really 4/4. I used to play to this song all the time.

    • @evieisamarshmallow
      @evieisamarshmallow 2 роки тому +1

      i had a discussion on this song as part of a lecture last year (i’m an undergrad music student) - can confirm from my professors deep research into it that it’s in defo 4/4! we got played the intro and asked to guess what time signature it was in and not a single person got it right lol

  • @stevesorrell9835
    @stevesorrell9835 Місяць тому

    "You Really Got Me", by Van Halen was the first I noticed, back in the 70s.
    Great video! I've always loved this type of time-foolery 😸 I think I may have just coined a phrase!

  • @breakfreak3181
    @breakfreak3181 9 місяців тому

    All Along The Watchtower intro always gets me, and I've been listening to it for years!

  • @RetroPandroo
    @RetroPandroo 3 роки тому +47

    "Rope" - Foo Fighters , always messed with my head when trying to drum along

    • @lmla2022
      @lmla2022 3 роки тому +2

      OMG yes, you get confused TWICE before the drums come in

  • @rummzeiss
    @rummzeiss 3 роки тому +102

    The same thing with "You Really Got Me" by The Kinks

    • @katyyork934
      @katyyork934 3 роки тому +2

      I was gonna say this

    • @delisub2910
      @delisub2910 3 роки тому +4

      My god that beginning riff always confuses me lol

    • @Jolgeable
      @Jolgeable 3 роки тому +20

      They really got us.

    • @A.F.Whitepigeon
      @A.F.Whitepigeon 3 роки тому +1

      And for that matter, Eruption by Van Halen.

    • @enricodelascio4330
      @enricodelascio4330 3 роки тому

      True, two completely different tempos

  • @garrettvandenberg2031
    @garrettvandenberg2031 2 роки тому +9

    Another huge one for this is “One I’m Waiting For” by Relient K. As a drummer I struggled on this track for literally years in highschool when I used to play through the album. I could do pretty much everything else on the album “drum-for-drum” but the first track consistently confuses the hell out of me. I’m still not totally sure what’s going on. It’s impossible to count

  • @tell6662
    @tell6662 2 роки тому +3

    Fake Empire by The National. The first verse and chorus are just vocal and piano, and your ear is convinced it is in 4/4, but then the drums come in, and without changing the melody it is now in 3/4. Great stuff!

  • @MrvlZmb
    @MrvlZmb 3 роки тому +18

    “Rock and Roll” is best counted while imagining the drums are doing a “Johnny B Goode” style intro.
    Also, “Freedom of Choice” by Devo always got me.

  • @jgagnier
    @jgagnier 3 роки тому +79

    The Rasmus. Man, digging out the back catalogue! I haven't heard that in the last 15 years,

  • @jamesgambon1767
    @jamesgambon1767 2 роки тому +1

    The intro to the Kinks You really got me always gets me.

  • @StevePrentice
    @StevePrentice 2 роки тому +1

    All of your videos are excellent and educational, but this one has an extra dose of fun, I guest because it shows the sneakiness of our favorite songwriters. My vote for this category is Mother by The Police from Synchronicity. A downbeat cymbal crash on top of a 7/4 shouty tune! Most people dislike this song, but I think it matches the energy of Synchronicity II.

  • @stevenloyd6116
    @stevenloyd6116 3 роки тому +39

    “Lonely Boy” by Andrew Gold does this. The piano intro sounds firmly on the beat, then the backing percussion comes in on the apparent “off beat” and things feel unsettled, then the more prominent drums on the prechorus undeniably establishes that the piano was offbeat the whole time.

  • @Ayyem93
    @Ayyem93 3 роки тому +131

    Swap Meet by Nirvana was the first time I became consciously aware of this happening

    • @joesampson2658
      @joesampson2658 3 роки тому +2

      Same here

    • @mgumwv
      @mgumwv 3 роки тому +2

      It still takes me until measure 3 that my brain actually recognizes the correct timing.

    • @peterjarahian3511
      @peterjarahian3511 3 роки тому +1

      Yes! Swap Meet is the first song that came to mind when starting to watch this video. I just tried listening to it again, and I just can't get into the correct timing of the riff until half way through the intro (just like Michael Gum said)

    • @Ayyem93
      @Ayyem93 3 роки тому +1

      @@peterjarahian3511 I still remember the first time I heard it. "Da da da, da da da dada, da da da" etc thinking "this is a really weird time signature then the drums kick in and it became a completely different riff, blew my mind

    • @bentoomey15
      @bentoomey15 3 роки тому +2

      Very Ape plays a similar game with its intro.

  • @javiertacea1390
    @javiertacea1390 2 роки тому

    I was going to mention the Kings of Leon song but then you beat me to the punch. Glad to know that my hearing wasn't wrong about it. The guitar always sounds different to me depending on if I listen to the song from the beginning or if I start midway through.

  • @chronical_beats
    @chronical_beats 9 місяців тому

    You did a video on some Beatles Intro, I forgot which one, but it got the same idea. Great video as always!

  • @awookieandagerman
    @awookieandagerman 3 роки тому +12

    Unchained by Van Halen. I was convinced for years that there’s some tricky time signature stuff going on in the intro, but I finally realized Eddie was just accenting a different beat on the second go around than on the first. Mind blowing for such a small change to throw me off so much.

  • @gagefraw3182
    @gagefraw3182 3 роки тому +73

    “Marquee Moon” by Television is a masterclass in offbeat playing in 4/4, mixolydian voicing, and song structures. Check it out!

    • @johnmcqueen8827
      @johnmcqueen8827 3 роки тому +13

      Television is a criminally underrated band. Their first album is one of my all time favorites.

    • @maxsignori7660
      @maxsignori7660 3 роки тому +4

      @@johnmcqueen8827 Great record, great playing and great sounds, from drums to bass and guitars, love it! Though I heard a live somewhere, from 77/78 or thereabout that was even better than the record, the guitars were killer!!!

    • @marlowename3713
      @marlowename3713 3 роки тому +2

      incredible song

    • @deedledumb790
      @deedledumb790 2 роки тому

      @@johnmcqueen8827 underrated is not the same as underappreciated or simply not widely known. People who have listened to Television rate them very highly.

  • @charlesbowen
    @charlesbowen Рік тому

    Fascinating! 🍀 thank you!🍀

  • @cassioamaral7407
    @cassioamaral7407 Рік тому

    Awesome video and compilation! The intro of You're So Cool by Jonathan Bree plays with that upbeat as well!

  • @earl3736
    @earl3736 3 роки тому +22

    Holy shit. I thought it was only me with Bodysnatchers. That intro always drives me crazy.

  • @BillMcClintockMashups
    @BillMcClintockMashups 3 роки тому +312

    “Going Crazy” by David Lee Roth and “Kickstart My Heart” by Motley Crue. I can’t force myself to hear those intros correctly.

    • @dracopliskin
      @dracopliskin 3 роки тому +7

      with you on kickstart my heart, that always trips me up

    • @martinhroch344
      @martinhroch344 3 роки тому +9

      Van Halen - Panama

    • @benparsons4979
      @benparsons4979 3 роки тому

      @@martinhroch344 what's wrong with that intro?

    • @martinhroch344
      @martinhroch344 3 роки тому +3

      @@benparsons4979 Its timing is kinda weird and it had confused me for a long time.

    • @rockeruss555
      @rockeruss555 2 роки тому +2

      @@martinhroch344
      I've been playing Panama song for years on guitar and found nothing odd about the intro.
      What is it in the beginning of the song that gets to you? Very curious. 🤔

  • @LemonWedge21
    @LemonWedge21 2 роки тому

    One song intro that still gets me is All My Life by Foo Fighters. Every time I listen to that song I replay the intro multiple times to try to feel the downbeat, but I never can (even though I theoretically know where the downbeat is).

  • @SkylerRoy
    @SkylerRoy 2 роки тому +7

    When I saw Thom Yorke in the thumbnail I thought of the song Bloom. I've heard complaints about it's difficult rhythm and while the song makes sense to me it's still one of the weirdest compositions I can think of. I'd even argue Little by Little is actually MORE confusing. Honestly TKOL is such an underrated album

  • @tjerles
    @tjerles 2 роки тому +31

    The Who - I'm Free. Heard it 1,000 times and still screws with my brain.

    • @kevinb9n
      @kevinb9n 2 роки тому

      Yeah that's a good one

    • @sandman0123
      @sandman0123 2 роки тому +1

      Totally agree! What's crazy about it for me is that it doesn't just create a momentary confusion but it sustains that odd feeling. At least, for me! ;-)

  • @tsmberk
    @tsmberk 3 роки тому +60

    'Spirits in the Material World' by The Police. Gets me everytime.

    • @cletusbeauregard1972
      @cletusbeauregard1972 3 роки тому +1

      especially in the last verse

    • @shefmeisterextraordinaire3717
      @shefmeisterextraordinaire3717 3 роки тому +3

      Yes. Also "Demolition Man" (on the same album) whose off-beat intro Sting "sanitised" when he re-recorded the track in 1993.

    • @oliverlabrador8880
      @oliverlabrador8880 3 роки тому +2

      This took me a bit but if you follow the bass line, you should get it every time. If you heard the bass line alone you’d think it flows right in. Great band and even better drummer. Stewart is the man haha

    • @simonhodgetts6530
      @simonhodgetts6530 3 роки тому +6

      King of Pain - I can never, ever get the first snare hit......and I’ve been listening to the song for 35+ years!

    • @kendalldude1329
      @kendalldude1329 3 роки тому

      yes, "spirits"

  • @jaydorfman8325
    @jaydorfman8325 2 роки тому +1

    Great Channel! For me the one that immediately comes to mind is the drum solo intro by John Bonham in Led Zeppelin's "Rock and Roll". I could never find the downbeat until Jimmy Paige comes in!😄

  • @robtyman4281
    @robtyman4281 Рік тому +28

    Depeche Mode's 'Blasphemous Rumours' is a good example of a song with a confusing intro ...where two different beats compete with each other, before both give way to a different third beat.
    Another example is David Bowie's 'Up the hill backwards'. I think there are several Bowie songs from various stages of his career that had confusing intros.

    • @Noone-of-your-Business
      @Noone-of-your-Business Рік тому

      What are you talking about? Blasphemous Rumors begins exactly on the "one" and is a perfectly straightforward 4/4 when the kickdrum sets in on the same "one". One pattern later, the bass enters on the exact _same_ "one". Just count! There is *nothing* irregular about this song's intro!

    • @AvoidsPikes-
      @AvoidsPikes- 10 місяців тому

      "Policy of Truth"

    • @larapiovesana5548
      @larapiovesana5548 9 місяців тому

      I hadn’t heard Blasphemous Rumours before and I really like it, thanks for introducing me to it!

    • @Dizzydawne
      @Dizzydawne 9 місяців тому

      Ha I got one but it’s super unpopular, Egg- Symphony NO.2…hurts to listen but it hasn’t the most confusing intro that I’ve ever heard probably in the world of music

  • @florence8146
    @florence8146 3 роки тому +190

    Does anyone else find that the intro to "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" by Tears for Fears throws them off a bit?

    • @rhettbuckley2660
      @rhettbuckley2660 3 роки тому +19

      I learned to play that on the piano this summer, and it took a lot of work to get the timing right. The timing is 3/4, (or maybe 12/8, but I'm not fancy), but the accented beats are quirky. ONE-two-three, one-TWO-three, ONE-two-three, one TWO-three...
      Nice call Kodi

    • @warriyorcat
      @warriyorcat 3 роки тому +8

      It will throw you off if you arent counting in 12/8 time. Instead of counting in 4, count in 8. There is also a guitar buildup where it gets more twangy just before the synth/drum part.

    • @kendallbrown9301
      @kendallbrown9301 3 роки тому

      yes

    • @danielstephenson7558
      @danielstephenson7558 3 роки тому +3

      YES! every time. Only when the synth comes in I hear the rhythm. Up until then, all bets are off...

    • @jeffeager
      @jeffeager 3 роки тому

      Yeah that's a tough one. Especially because when that intro riff comes in again later in the bridge of the song, it's play more "on the beat" ... not the same as the intro. I've played this in a duo many times, and we always stumble into the opening

  • @prebird
    @prebird 2 роки тому +1

    Thinking about it to much man lol. I never get confused about this sort of stuff.

  • @talbino7821
    @talbino7821 9 місяців тому +1

    The Police, Murder by Numbers, always catches me off guard. Masters of the unexpected opening!

  • @salamandersaladman8483
    @salamandersaladman8483 3 роки тому +178

    "Don't Pass Me By" by The Beatles, written by the one and only Ringo Starr

    • @viktorkaposi8256
      @viktorkaposi8256 3 роки тому +8

      I guess he means the one and only Billy Shears :)

    • @jongilbertson2106
      @jongilbertson2106 3 роки тому +6

      @@viktorkaposi8256 That would mean he got by with a little help from his friends.

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano  3 роки тому +26

      Great suggestion! Also, side question... do you prefer "Don't Pass Me By" or "Octopus' Garden"?

    • @sadlymusic
      @sadlymusic 3 роки тому +2

      Ringo Star sang for the Beatles as when Doug Clifford sang for the Credence Clearwater Revival : funny goliardic experiment (a drummer replacing the greater singers of the history) !

    • @TeShiky
      @TeShiky 3 роки тому +6

      @@DavidBennettPiano i prefer dont pass me by

  • @Artifex421
    @Artifex421 3 роки тому +51

    And then there's Cream. Sunshine of your Love starts with the snare on the downbeat, so you immediately get the correct sense of rhythm. But then after two repeats of the intro riff, Ginger Baker keeps the snare on the downbeat, and toms on the following eighths. Since we're used to snare being on the upbeats, the our ears tend to switch to that.
    And so when the chorus comes in, it messes our brain rhythm up.

    • @lowcostfish
      @lowcostfish 3 роки тому +1

      I don't hear it like that. For me, the singing and guitar cement the snare as the downbeat. It's not hard for me to feel it the way you describe because as you say we're used to that drum rhythm.
      I wonder how many people naturally feel it each way.

    • @ZoomRmc
      @ZoomRmc 2 роки тому

      Don't see anything confusing with the SOYL at all. N.S.U. on the other hand gets me every time. Just brilliant.

  • @SebastianoDessanay
    @SebastianoDessanay Рік тому +2

    Hi David, I find the guitar intro of Drive my car mind blowing: I always hear the first note on beat 2 of a 4/4 bar, leaving me unsettled when the band comes in. I think the first note is a quaver upbeat to beat 1 of a 2 bar intro…and still every time it tricks me! 😅

  • @simonlevansTV
    @simonlevansTV 8 місяців тому +1

    Loving this channel ❤

  • @GCKuss23
    @GCKuss23 2 роки тому +71

    "Free Ride" by the Edgar Winter Group is another great example. I always hear that riff as if it begins on the downbeat, but it has a lead-in

    • @alexglanowski695
      @alexglanowski695 2 роки тому +3

      I know Free Ride, and I've been actively trying to think of the song so I can hear what you're saying, but my mind keeps giving me Foghat instead 🤬

  • @sarabretting3033
    @sarabretting3033 2 роки тому +24

    Your channel is pure gold. Musical student here. Keep up the great work, David.

  • @RipTard
    @RipTard Рік тому +3

    My favorite example is A.M. 180 by Grandaddy. Totally makes you think it's in 3/4 and then the drums make you realize it's 6/8.

    • @pgnandt
      @pgnandt Рік тому

      Yes.

    • @_earthling
      @_earthling Рік тому

      Yeah, that's a good one (a good example and a great tune)

  • @notlikely4955
    @notlikely4955 2 роки тому

    Club Intro by Mild High Club has a similar thing, the synth lead sounds like the down beat until the drums come in and make it syncopated, so cool.

  • @donovanfrain3523
    @donovanfrain3523 3 роки тому +24

    I've known "I'm Free" by the Who all my life, but for some reason it still throws me every time.

    • @robeads6913
      @robeads6913 3 роки тому +3

      That's the first song that came to mind regarding tricky intros. It starts on the and of 4. If my brain can lock onto that fact, I'm good. But it's not easy at first.

    • @toddleopold742
      @toddleopold742 3 роки тому +1

      Ha! Just saw this. See above.

    • @maciejkowalski2759
      @maciejkowalski2759 3 роки тому

      Yeah and this case it's only at the second verse where I start to hear it differently

  • @8Clips
    @8Clips 3 роки тому +33

    Radiohead have a real thing for hiding the real rhythm in their tracks, it's quite impressive. Videotape, Pyramid Song and Bloom are three great examples from three different albums. Definitely worth checking out.

    • @_earthling
      @_earthling Рік тому +1

      And the layered polyrhymic guitar fingerpicking for Let Down.

    • @_earthling
      @_earthling Рік тому +2

      Pyramid Song still drives me nuts.

    • @miamonteverdi
      @miamonteverdi 11 місяців тому +1

      @@_earthling Pyramid Song is one of my favorite songs that sounds like it's a weird time signature but is actually just 4/4.

    • @jonny26281
      @jonny26281 8 місяців тому

      @@miamonteverdithe joys of syncopation

  • @pymebones
    @pymebones 2 роки тому

    I love this video. Thank you.

  • @nickboyd9327
    @nickboyd9327 8 місяців тому

    Great video! And beautifully explained as always. I always liked Blur’s Beetlebum for this exact reason. Happy listening along thinking I know where the downbeat is, only to have a whisked away from under my feet. Quality! x

    • @nickboyd9327
      @nickboyd9327 8 місяців тому

      Oh, and the middle section of Sit Down by James. Confuses me some what! Not an intro mind x

  • @josephkalisz6343
    @josephkalisz6343 3 роки тому +22

    I've been subscribed for a while now and wish there was more channels like yours. Every video you make is very well put together and engaging. I love the concepts for your videos and keep doing what your doing.

  • @AlanKey86
    @AlanKey86 3 роки тому +51

    For the Q&A:
    When you arranged Frere Jacques in 7/4 did you experience the amazing emotional response that many other people have had when they listen to it? That is, did it "move" you? Or were you surprised by how emotive people find it?

  • @JohnKramer913
    @JohnKramer913 2 роки тому

    you got one more sub, I'd like to hear more music theory topics like this.

  • @champmegahorse
    @champmegahorse 2 роки тому

    Superb video - I totally agree with your ‘Bodysnatchers’ interpretation. The song that always gets me is ‘So He Begins To Lie’ by Bloc Party - even though I know what to expect, I can never get it!