Delusional InceI “Deprived” of Ѕеx for Years & Takes Revenge by going on Terrifying KiIIing Spree
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2023
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Today we are talking about the case of Alek Minassian and the world of inceIs who really are just the worst!
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What's so ironic is most of the abuse/bullying these men suffered was not from women but from their male peers. Yet their anger is directed at girls/women. Make it make sense.
It's also the men perceiving things incorrectly; "someone is laughing, well it absolutely must be at me, & since I refuse to differentiate single people, I'll just clump everyone together & say, 'all women laugh at me, bi+ches!!!!'"
They want to bully someone “weaker” than them
Women arm up-the government can’t protect us.
As a male myself I have no answers. I'm just as baffled. It's true women can be cruel and bully others but these cases are just so odd. Like, what did the women do? Simply exist I guess 😂 . Very very strange.
@@KDB349Women primarily bully other women. They might laugh at the men and whisper about them behind their backs, but rarely will they outright bully a man.
I get what you're saying, but I wonder if they see it as total rejection from the women, and it builds to a hatred of them? Idk
The fact they think they are entitled to a woman is disgusting
Exactly
@Vahn_Vanhite Everyone may have hard times and moments in their lives, but men and women who are conventionally pretty and handsome have much easier lives than those who are not.
@@jtl-en4yxwell, I guess you can always pull an Eliot Rogers to even the score, eh? It’s just not fair that some people are good looking, right? Pffftttt.
Yes! it is a vile, predatory mindset. They are truly pathetic.
I am just wondering how "incel" came to be associated with men only. The first usage was used by a woman in the '90s according to this UA-camr, but today, she would be labeled as a Femcel. Why did the label change?
He was treated bad by men, so he decided to hate women? Special kind of delusional.
I actually knew a few guys like this. Other boys made their lives hell but you know what they always complained about? The few girls who stood by and laughed. That's who they hated and raged about, not the boys beating them up and calling them slurs.
That's patriarchy, baby. It's an inherently "woman-hating" system.
Its cowardice. They're afraid of confrontation with men, but are so sure that women are lesser that its ok to take it out on them.
Most of them do that. Especially ones from certain religions/beliefs
According to the story here he got bullied by both genders
Imagine if someone said “I’m involuntarily poor, so I’m gonna go around unaliving homeowners and people with high paying jobs.”
These people are delusional.
It happens
That happens more than you think
Anything is possible. I'm sure there are plenty of people who think that way and have acted on it.
It happens yeah it's so wrong though & that's the point! These ppl are completely pathetic!!
That's called communism
When 3.8 billion women choose to pass on you as a partner, perhaps the problem lies with you, not women. 💁🏼♀️
You think any incel has approached 3.8 billion women…
Bingo. Stop blaming other people for your shortcomings.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's very true, IMO.
@@mattghostly5261wow, that's your take away? Mkay then.
Is it the developmentally delayed, or Downs Syndrome person's problem they have problems getting dates, or an adult loving type relationship too? These people have problems just the same. (No NOT literally..but they have problems they didn't choose to have). I'm positive they would change it if they could find a way. They're haven't been able to...I doubt they are where they are because they WANT TO BE. Someone who is depressed can suffer for years, do you think THAT is ALSO their fault, because they haven't "fixed" it? Getting Mental health help is VERY difficult, and can be prohibitively expensive. Even IF you have insurance, and IF they cover that, they generally cover about 5 sessions. Do you really think that is enough?
I dont believe anyone who identifies as an incel is a good person. The moment you say you are 'involuntarily' something, you are saying you are being forced to do something against your own will and that implies you are blaming others for your problems rather than addressing your own flaws. Its narcissistic imo.
100%. like yeah there’s nothing wrong with not being able to find a partner but once you label yourself and identify as an incel it’s exactly like you said: you’re blaming everyone else. the entire community breeds self pity and violence even if that’s not the reason people get into it
Not that my opinion matters, but I do believe there are incels that just wish to be loved for who they are. What is posted about incels isnt great. I don't think there is a way to say any one group of people are all bad.
@@ashleyholz9071 I agree, and I’m hesitant to say that any group of people are ‘all bad’, but this is different. ‘Incel’ is a self identifier. Saying you’re an incel means that you’ve given up on self improvement, and that your problems are because of everyone else. It’s an inherently problematic, anti-social view.
On that same note "being forced to do something against your own will"... is that not a victim? I don't support this frame of mind or the disgusting examples of humans portrayed here, but thats not a great argument based on definitions and semantics.
Not true at all. That’s the problem ppl that don’t see that horrible behavior towards other ppl for being different is just as wrong as the ppl they push pass their limits.
As a women with autism there is a special place in hell for the defense team for the AUDACITY to say his autism is to blame for this horrific attack. I also must say that suing the Ryder company is the incorrect company to sue, how were they supposed to know that he would do that?? Sue 4-Chan and Reddit for not doing enough to flag these people to the police or the FBI.
Right! I am on the spectrum as well and I hate that autism is now associated with incels. Yes I struggle with dating but not to the point that it takes over my identity.
Exactly. It's absolutely nothing to do with the autism, the autism was the subject of the horrific bullying, but its clearly the trauma from that which caused the damage, not having autism. By the sound of it he was attempting to build relationships at one point with the animal sounds and for some reason no adult intervened with support.
@ghezizoo as anyone with an upbringing can be violent.
A lack of empathy is a common misinterpretation from people learning textbook studies or early in a psychology career without much actual experience. The reality is people with autism actually usually feel empathy more intensely once they understand someone's emotions, but will often struggle with misinterpreting others feelings or intentions which can cause it to appear there is lack of empathy where it is actually a difficulty in undstanding social interactions.
There is a higher percentage of violent NT people than autistic as adults. Though I can understand your confusion if at school you're learning the basics of visible signs in children as violent outbursts will often last past the typical toddler tantrum stage.
@@kateh9508by definition, empathy is “the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.” I would then argue that a misinterpretation of another’s feelings = a lack of understanding & subsequent inability to share said feelings in the given moment. Saying autistic individuals lack empathy doesn’t mean they are incapable of experiencing a particular emotion; it just means they may find it difficult to relate to the emotion in the same moment another person is experiencing it. In addition (and this is just to play devils advocate) , there are more NTs than there are autistic people. So I’d expect a higher number of violence cases from the larger population.
Psych student, thanks for your comment. I like what you had to contribute to the convo. Keep up the studies!
Exactly! I am autistic too and I’ve never been violent in any way. It’s not an excuse.
The amount of people that believe they are owed sex when they have all the personality and charm of a half-eaten bowl of cereal that has sat in a teenager’s filthy room for six months is staggering to me. The calls are coming from inside the house, my dudes.
'personality and charm of a half-eaten bowl of cereal that has sat in a teenager’s filthy room for six months' i love this phrase so much
literally creased at that description
Ok
I am disgusted by the lunatics that are celebrating this man child for what he did. As Bailey Sarian would say, get better idols!
Man child? He's crazy. A child would not be able to concoct such a horrendous plan. Children are innocent, it's the adults they grow up around that corrupt them
@@AlissaSss23Not all children are innocent though? There have been child killers…
@@AlissaSss23more like "teenager that never became an adult". Every single one of these guys is really immature and suffers from stunted emotional and mental growth. It's obvious just by looking at the sort of things they say.
The term incel was created by a woman named Alana, she goes by an alias now because of how infamous the term has become because of guys like this. She now has a website called Love Not Anger. The whole point of incels was to make it so other incels could find each other, be friends, or even date other incels (like a dating website in a way) but it’s horrible to see how these men have taken her term and used it for their own person pleasures and aggression. Poor Alana.
Love you Danielle! Amazing as always! ❤️
I doubt they have taken the term from her and came up with it themselves without knowing the existence of Alana, it is not the most original Term IMO.
@@migalorsdarwin1930no they did . If you frequent redit you'd know 😊. These people were on that subs before they were banned and moved to their incel. Co. Lol they totally copied that admittedly.😅
They did take it from that. I know because these people were on Redit . They were banned as a sub and moved to incel co forum. I have been on Redit since 90s. It's toxic AF but sometimes it's good like movie travel etc business. But there is more bad than good.
As an Alana who was formerly a “femcel” knowing her name hits different
Most people don't think it's possible for a woman to be that way
the thing i will NEVER understand about incel's is that, if a women did approach them, they would be terrified, or are terrified of women anyways, but act like they deserve sex and women's attention, it makes NO SENSE🤦🏾♀️
And they'll also reject any girl who isn't a 10/10. They really don't help themselves.
It's like, bro, work on yourself.
@@lynsey4224 That's not true.
@@Crono1973yea it’s pretty true.
@@Randompotatoes-qs7bm Sure it is, what next? They eat babies?
As a mom to 4 sons, with their father for 21 years, we've very deliberately raised these boys to understand they're not entitled to anyone's time, affection or bodies. It's a beautiful thing that you have to earn and be worthy of ... Unless they want your attention, you're not "entitled" to it. The main thing in many of these cases, these men NEVER actually try to get to know women. They literally expect women to fall at their feet, begging for them. It's utterly disgusting.
So true!
@@Elizabeth_PDxxx I also notice that they only want trophy-type females. They'd widen their options (and include a lot of very kind, tolerant women) if they were not so fixated on mere looks.
@@alisonwilson9749 yup!!!!
I am forever grateful to my mother in law for raising her son to be respectful of women, to treat us as equals and be considerate of our feelings and opinions. props to all mothers taking the time to raise a better generation.
Thank you for raising 4 decent men❤️. As a mum of girls I’m so done with society treating boys and girls differently
being an incel IS a bad thing because it implies sex is owed to people. it isn’t. you are not being deprived of a need by others, you are simply not taking part in sexual activities. that shouldn’t be made into an identity or form the backbone of a belief system. it is extremely entitled behaviour to believe you deserve to have sex with people and are being unfairly deprived of it. yuck.
Yeah in my youth a guy “just didn’t get lucky.” Now they’ve turned it into a cult mentality hate group. Imagine going to the trouble to hate something because you really want it? When did things stop making sense?
@@Callmethebreeze902personally I believe the main reason is insular communities online. group polarisation effect in psychology states that when a group with similar ideas come together and talk about those ideas, they push each other deeper into them. online echo chambers have proven this time and time again, with not only incels but all sorts of other groups too. scary times.
dont lump all incels into that. not every person who is an incel is a bad person. that is a logical fallacy you should have learnt in high school. its called the slippery slope. its incredibly unfair. also involuntary does not mean that all incels believe they are owed sex. its just a form of being. just think of the pain of some of them, who are just normal every day people, but cant find anyone at all that will fall in love with them. just imagine the pain behind most of their eyes. only a few incels do bad shit. only a few. do not lump every single incel together. i wish we could all find compassion, because a lot of incels are autistic and victims of severe bullying and trauma. and never do anything bad ever. my bestie is an incel, and he is an amazing person. hes also gay. and incredibly progressive, sometimes more than i am. dont judge a group by the few. its so unfair.
Sex is not owed to anyone. Incels believe that sex IS owed to them. Therefore, they’re all bad. By nature of being an incel, they are bad. Logical fallacies, slippery slopes, spaghetti monsters and tooth ferries, it’s all BS. Don’t be an incel. Being an incel is a BAD thing.
@444anglina I have to agree. I think by the time somebody has self identified as an “incel” then they’re past actually being a good guy because the terminology already implies that they are guys who can’t get laid and are upset at women for it. Now of course they don’t all turn out violent but I have to disagree with Danielle on this one. And this is coming from a former incel myself. The term wasn’t around yet, as I’m 37 years old, but I was a V until 19 and had the same feelings, but I just stuck it out thankfully. Wish more young men did.
As a high functioning autistic person, I also had a hard time socializing. It led to me being very isolated for a part of my freshman year because I was afraid of being bullied and I was also openly gay, so that came with its own bullying problems unfortunately. Thankfully, I found a great group of friends my freshman year and I was able to open up to them and they made me feel so supported. I understand that it’s very hard and scary to socialize, but incel forums aren’t the way to go.
@Conor_Lyons I'm so happy that you were able to find kind people. Perhaps one day you will be support to someone else who is struggling.
This 100%.
It's sad, because I can see the benefit of people who feel insecure finding a space with other people who feel the same way, so they'd have a safe space where they wouldn't have to worry about being judged and could openly talk about their insecurities to people who understand. But the problem is those people are also very vulnerable and easily manipulated. And there are people who see this as an opportunity to overcompensate, and 'in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king', making this a very hostile environment. And the thing is, people on those forums are extremely judgemental towards each other and aren't even involuntary celibate, because I've seen so many posts where 'incels' get scolded after announcing they finally managed to find a girl who wants to date them. Meanwhile, they are praised for being awful human beings, so the forums are actually doing the complete opposite of what they should be doing. They do not provide comfort and they do not help people to accept or work on their insecurities, nor do they help people to end their so-called 'involuntary' celibacy, they actually promote it. The initial idea is okay, but the execution couldn't have gotten worse than it did.
@conor_lyons I have a son who is autistic I'm glad you found your way and wish you well .... I feel for this young man all he need was guidance and help
Autistic people are better able to understand other's who have similar problems. Incels, who aren't autistic wouldn't join that kind of group. These people are in pain, you can relate...can't you? Is what you wrote helpful to them? ..Would it have been helpful to you, when dealing with YOUR autism issues if someone said those thing to you?
The story about the Halloween party he went to, it sounds like maybe that group of girls happened to start laughing amongst themselves when he was approaching them and he assumed they were laughing at him. And i highly doubt they immediately went to a group of guys and started feeling their arms. Never, in my life, have i seen that happen. Anywhere. In person or otherwise. And if he honestly believed that happened, i wonder how many other situations were skewed in his head.
Yeah, that's a thing when you got schizoid tendencies.
Notice these "people" believe the entire world needs to change for them? They don't have to change themselves at all.
That guy should never get out of prison. Ever.
This happened right near my sisters place in Toronto. As a Canadian who grew up very close to Toronto and has family there today, there is a huge incel community there. There have been numerous cases within the last few years of women being targetted by these types of people, and it is extremely scary for all the women living there. The police do not take it seriously, women have to advocate for themselves, creating reddit threads and group chats for women to watch out for certain people/areas in the city. Thank you Danielle for talking about this case!
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yeah i grew up in Toronto and moved to the country when my kids came along , never went back
The police don’t take it seriously? That’s pitiful. A part of me isn’t surprised by your statement. This world is half, if not more, in the shitter. 💩
@@Moonbunny55the sad state of the short sentences, if the crown even takes it to court, for sexual criminal. The Canadian justice system is so archaic it's almost laughable. Something every Canadian needs to look into.
Canadian in Toronto and yep it's BAD here!
Let’s get this girl to a million! She deserves it! ❤
Been here since 686k! 😻
Been here since 2-300 000..I think..:)
Been here !
Right there with you. I no longer watch Bailey.
@@jillruben8924 why not?
I lost my aunt bc of an incel. She was murdered in a mass shooting back in 1991. Dude was angry bc women wouldn’t date him 😡 like he’s entitled to women 😡😡 Danielle, please cover this story. It happened October 16,1991 at a Lubys restaurant in Killeen,Texas . My aunt Debbie and her coworkers took their boss to lunch for National Bosses Day. She was only 33 😢
I remember that! It was massive US news, and they'd drawn parallels in that to a scene in the movie "The Fisher King." My heart goes out to you, your family, and the families of so many others impacted by such senseless actions. 😔
I heard about this story for the first time recently. Awful. 😞
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@@Jeremiah402 you can’t be serious 😡 you’re giving excuses for a man who murdered several ppl!!! Including my aunt. Just wow! It’s truly disgusting how someone can say he did it bc he was lonely. It is never the fault of a woman bc the way a man behaves! This is 100% on him! And yes you are blaming women bc in your thinking if he was with a woman he’d never have done this bc he wouldn’t be lonely . I feel for the ladies in your life. That you’d have understanding if they were gunned down just for having lunch with colleagues all bc a man was lonely
@@Noahs_Grandma sorry that was your aunt who was killed by this man. I’m also not giving excuses for him but I’m saying he needed other ways to control his feelings of anger because of being lonely rather than lashing it out by killing others.
I went to HS with a guy that could have been described the exact same way by the age of 18. The difference is, that the guy I knew, has an incredibly kind soul, and would never think to harm people. I started off feeling bad for Alek, but then I remembered the kid I knew, who quite literally, wouldn't hurt a fly. I'm sorry Alek was bullied, that's awful....but it will never be an excuse. My heart goes out to all of those impacted by this terrible, and inexcusable event.
What is insane is that he was bullied and taunted by OTHER MEN/BOYS! And yet simply rejecting his advances made him hate women.
It’s absolutely ridiculous
its about association. the girls were the reason he was being bullied, even if they werent at fault themselves. they were pawns used as an abuse device. of course he hates women. of course he does. now, what he needed to do was go to therapy, NOT drive over a group of people. he was mentally ill, and being rejcted triggered him. and hes autistic. it was an amalgamation of all the worst things possible. he had a violent ass meltdown. h needed therapy and compassion, not rejection and bullying. any one of us wold feel negatively towrds women in this same situation. not all of us would do what he did, though. thats the difference. have some compassion for the pain.
That's something that always gets me. Also that a lot of incels tend to have trashy parents, emotionally or physically abusive parents, or neglectful parents, but they usually don't grow up hating parents or being jealous of happy children.
what a patriarchal societal structure does to a mf
@@massivel frrrr
The officer who apprehended him should definitely be commended for de-escalating the situation as well and as quickly as he did, keeping his cool and doing exactly what he should to prevent anymore innocent people from being hurt or killed and being able to bring Alex into custody alive. His parents were already going to have so much grief to deal with as things stood without having to also grieve the death of their son. I cannot imagine how painful it must be to be the parent of someone who has committed such horrible acts...😢
It’s even more difficult to imagine the children of the parents that were killed, the siblings of the kids that were killed, the parents of the people that were killed. So much pain.
Reverse Rape???? Seriously WTF! as a survivor how can they ever be allowed to say such things. i believe in free speech all day long but this is WRONG! Thank you for covering this and getting as angry as i am about it!! you are the best 🤩
I understand your anger. I was so pissed when I heard that. It’s absolutely ridiculous. It’s useless losers trying to make themselves feel like they’re worth something in the grossest way.
I’m a survivor and I believe in freedom of speech. Just because these fools say dumb stuff doesn’t mean freedom of speech should be jeopardized. Sure it makes me mad and it’s disgusting, BUT it shows us who these people are and what they are. I’m glad they openly admit how pathetic they are and are making sure we see exactly the pos people they are so we can stay away. They’re basically advertising why nobody should have anything to do with them. I have learned that as a survivor I have to block out certain people and know that their idiocy and repulsive crap isn’t what I have to live with, it’s what they have to live with.
Reactionary people in general try to co-opt terms and phrases coined by real life victims of something in order to make their own ideology more palatable and also to gain the attention and status that these people have
@@hellsbelle7533 I agree. Often you just have to Listen to what you are being told. Most people usually tell you exactly who they are.
"With the possibility of parole after 25 yrs". Should be life without parole.
I have autism and my nan went to get travel insurance for me and her to go on holiday and the post office said "people with autism are violent" not all people who have autism are violent
I am also autistic ☺️💕
Wow the post office really said that??! I do hope you and your Nan like went to the right people about this discrimination? 😢 im so sorry
Maybe frustrated teens get this silly label...I don't believe these labels...some children have trouble but too much labelling going on. Try not to fitbthe labels.
Wtf I’m so sorry that happened to you. There are people making decisions about autistic people while knowing nothing about them and not realizing they absolutely know multiple autistic people. They should not be considered violent without a history of violence, just like everyone else. Even some sort of evaluation would be better than a blanket incorrect assumption. I’m sorry the post office responded that way. Are you in the US? I’d love to look into this more especially if it’s happening in my country, as then I may be able to do my part to help stop things like this. I’m bipolar and since losing my wallet a few years back and having to get a new license, the DMV makes me have my doctors fill out paperwork every year because people who are bipolar are deemed as a driving risk- even though I have only been in one relatively minor accident that was my fault, at an intersection infamous for crashes to the point that they had to put up all sorts of signs and lights and are not thinking of putting up a full stoplight, and one other accident that was not my fault but left me with some lasting health issues- neither of which have anything to do with me being bipolar, or show at all that I am a dangerous driver compared to others my age. A friend from high school has caused at least 6 accidents, probably more now, and they don’t have to fill out any paperwork!! Government organizations need to stop making massive assumptions about entire groups of people based on the uneducated stereotype of them people believed in the 90s
I don’t even know what to say to that 🤯 Both my husband and my son are on the spectrum and they are the most beautiful & kind people in my life. I hate when people generalize like that. I’m sorry that happened to you 🤗
My son is autistic and he just started his first year at a public school and this terrifies me. My worst fear is my child being bullied. My heart can’t take the thought of it
That breaks my heart for you. My son is so sweet too. He sucks on his 2 front fingers and rubs the tag in his pants for comfort when he gets overstimulated and he came home crying because the other students were calling him gross. It made me want to throw up. Nothing hurts more thah to see your child hurting and not being able to take that pain from them. I feel so much for you. I always pray my love is enough to keep him from turning into someone who does bad things from being bullied. We as parents just want the world to see them how we do. I pray for your son. That really hurts me to hear that he is being treated that way. Kids can be so mean.
I know that it may not be your first choice and places are notoriously limited, but please consider sending them to a special needs school if possible and if they are struggling. My daughter has autism, global development delay and Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, I had to place her in public school for reception and year 1, she wasn't bullied but the school couldn't cope with her but would not help with referring her so I wrote the education health care plans myself. It took some time but now she's in an environment where she is supported, alongside children who also have additional needs and they can all stay there until they are 18. You will always have the option of trying dual placements with a mainstream school at any point to see if they can adjust well. Unfortunately, even without the bullying, schools are so understaffed and overwhelmed with children who have various disabilities, special needs and just basic one to one support. Sending lots of love xx 💜 🌟
My brother is autistic and he started in 9th grade this year he’s always had a tough time in school ever since the very beginning he also doesn’t understand social cues very well and every day at lunch he sits alone not by choice so he FaceTime with our mom during lunch it breaks my heart I want to go and sit with him but unfortunately it would just put a bigger “target” on his back for bullies it’s a very difficult situation and kids are so mean to each other
@Noa_Lynn oh that breaks my heart to think of him sat there alone 💔 Are there any special needs schools in your area? This is why I recommend them so much because in that environment nobody is "different". Sending lots of love xx 💜 🌟
Think about homeschooling,if you are worried about socialising there are groups on facebook for your area,homeschool parents organise field trips &stuff.
I cant even imagine losing someone you love because someone cant find someone to sleep with them?!? What?
As an asexual person, I’m always fascinated by just how deeply the drive for physical intimacy and sometimes the feeling of entitlement regarding it really drives people off the deep end.
Same
I mean someone could just come up to me and say hey sexual attraction and sex is just a huge inside joke and it actually doesn't exist and i would be like yeah that makes sense
Same, it's dumbfounding
Lmao that's hilarious coming from a crazy
I imagine whatever you don't understand about how people can crave physical intimacy, it's exactly the same to me about not being able to understand how somebody could not want physical intimacy
as a person who enjoys the experience of physical intimacy with a loving, or at the very least, willing partner, I find your asexuality equally perplexing
With the possibility of parole 🤯 Crazy, I hope he doesn’t get out. One of the craziest things I have seen from incels is that they think every man should have a woman “assigned” to them…. Like we are cattle or something 🤢
I’ve seen something like that too. They also added there would be no age limit to this & they’d have the right to end our lives when we’re “too old”. We’d also basically become baby machines so there’d always be girls to replace the women that are gone. I was a teen when I stumbled upon that convo on Tumblr & was sooo disturbed by it ! Made me feel sick :/
The possibility of parole is required by Canadian law.
Thats Canada for ya
@Daathiel seek help!
I know, LOL! Very wierd thought process.
I've said it once, and I'm saying it again. When malignant immaturity becomes dangerous 😐
I have Autism/ADHD, and while having social issues are a very common, making violent choices, are not! That he and his legal team tried to blame his diagnosis, is abhorrent!
I looked up the victims and couldn’t help but tear up over the sensless loss but I was absolutely appalled to see that one of the victims was a 94 year old woman named Betty Forsyth who, despite her age, went for frequent walks down Yonge St. with the assistance of her walker. You have to be seriously depraved to intentionally run over a little old lady using a walker. I hope Alek rots in prison for the rest of his life!
That is indeed horrible.
incels make me so angry. no one owes you ANYTHING. elliot angers me beyond belief
Yup. Nobody owes you anything, most certainly don’t owe you sex. Sniveling incels are the worst!
@@elliottfoster2231what about their reply suggested they thought otherwise? They were agreeing with you.
I can't even stand to hear him talk.
How about the people who just can't get a partner and are sad but aren't mad about it and won't do bad things?
@@tallahoramismo that’s majority of people. incels are different considering 99% of them hate women and have a lot of rage
The crazy part is that Elliot Rodger was attractive AND rich(I think I read somewhere that his family was affluent) lol He just had no idea how to socialize and was a weirdo who felt entitled and that’s why girls wouldn’t get with him.
Right?! Like if you’re relatively attractive, wealthy and women still don’t want you… maybe your personality sucks. But that would require too much self-awareness.
Killing people cause they couldn't just get laid! like how pathetic and scary is this smh just horrible
What’s also very shocking on these extreme misogynistic posters is that you’re imagining it’s awkward teens and young men with nothing going for them…and it’s a shock to discover that some of the worst posters have been found out to be grown men with jobs in high places like law, medicine , banks etc. can’t remember where I saw it, but some of the most vicious posters had been outed as cops, lawyer, doctor etc. talking about r&ping women etc, imagine - it could be your doctor. It’s not always who you think, on these forums and message boards
Are you flipping kidding me? He basically got two years for each murder and nothing for the life-changing injuries... Canada- get it together!
I get what you're saying but he won't get out, it's like Paul Bernardo, they can TRY and get parole after 25 years but with the worst of the worst it never gets approved. It's a life sentence with how brutal this was. Also noted life with possibility of parole after 25 years is the harshest sentence Canada has.
Possibility of parole doesn't mean he's going to get it
Canada when it comes to the law and order (dun duh) is honestly a joke. I was told by the chief police once that with how our government is run right now the police and the laws are garbage and the criminals don't get what they deserve.
We appreciate how Danielle goes into depth with every single case she discusses. She's truly meant for this kind of career in her life.
Sickening how anyone believes they are ‘entitled’ to a woman’s body, makes my blood boil
Then it's about women thinking they owe women something when women think they're unattractive
imagine enduring the mental and physical pain of having cancer, beating it, re-building your whole life just for someone irrelevant to take your life in a matter of seconds for no reason, absolutely heart breaking, my prayers go out to all of the victims families
That officer was so calm and quick thinking. I think it’s better that the justice system deal with people like this. Suicide by cop is the cowards way out. This guy (I refuse to use his name) is a coward. I believe he had other mental health issues aside from autism.
My husband is on the scale. He’s also a brilliant computer programmer. He has worked hard to overcome his social anxiety and difficulties reading social queues. He often speaks in front of large audiences as part of his work as a software executive. I know it’s the defense attorneys job, but to claim that autism is a defense for this crime is shameful.
This was premeditated. He knew right from wrong.
I’m done, this is making me angry.
Imagine this happening while there are people still believing Andrew Tate is a role model. We live with such zombies.
Deprived of sex but I bet he’d call a woman who wants sex a hoe . they want the benefit but the women get judged .
Yep! And all these incels if a woman did approach them and didn’t look like a model you bet they would be disgusted and turn them down.
They actually could get a professional that would play the girlfriend for them. But I guess these people wouldn't be pleased by not beeing real adored by them. I am sorry but live is not a lucky bag or what ever. There are also men that are pretty nice and kind and they also don't have the chance to. So some anywaybget away empty handed 😢
@@astrowolvez or if they accepted the affection they would just abuse her and treat her like shit until she left. People dont realize that an incels hatred of women wont magically disappear the moment they get a girlfriend.
I remember when I was in my early 20s meeting a woman like that, she was nice I remember getting sushi with her lol.
My goodness all those people. Their creepy personalities is putting women off because they aren't so called "ugly "
Guess it would never occur to these incels to change their attitudes and they might find someone interested.
If they had that train of thought and took a look inward and took responsibility, they wouldn't be incels.
@@meowmachine9147exactly.
When people change their opinions, politics, tastes, & outlook on life, it's a reaction to things going in in their lives. In most cases, people double-down on their bad habits, especially wjhen their emotional support group, the only people who accept them, encourages bad behavior. If you can actualky get them into therapy, preferably group therapy, things might change, especially if they can befriend someone in the group who isn't part of their social bubble.
The thing is they think they’re deserving of absolute 10/10s so an average girl who they don’t deem attractive enough could show interest and they’d not bother
Then they need to lower their standards. That's not the fault of the 10/10s
Honestly, some of the best advice for "involuntarily celibate" guys is 1.) Work on your hygiene 2.) Work on your fitness 3.) Have some sort of job 4.) Be decently competant at chores 5.) Practice talking to women with no expectations of dating. They build it up so much in their own heads and their online communities, when its not a big deal. Small changes can make dating way more accessible
Doing chores is a big one that doesn't get talked about enough. Too many men expect women to be a second mommy and nothing turns a woman off more than treating their partner like a toddler.
@samhain4287 yes! And women notice if you even just have the minimum done in the house. Dishes set, laundry put away, bed made. It sounds so silly but it's such a simple step that will put you ahead in the dating pool. Shows you are responsible and take pride in where you live
I think them getting some non-incel friends is also vital. They don't even need to talk to women, just get some platonic friends in your life that love you for you. A lot of this ideology comes from loneliness and having non- romantic relationships are just as important as romantic ones are.
@nat9527 oh I'd agree! But I think there is a massive brain block for hetero incel males where they feel like they can't talk to women, full stop. Once they stop putting the emphasis on getting sex and just think of women as women, the pressure will be off and things will come more naturally
I agree with points 1, 3 and 5. I would also add 6.) Talk to women that care about more than just looks or wealth and 7.) Reevaluate your personality. I find that most of these incels only seem to want to date the most vain women that they have no chance in hell with. The least violent and arrogant of the group would probably have a chance with women they deem “normies” if they tried.
I’m a Canadian forensic psych student and have no idea how I’ve never heard of this case! The incel community is so genuinely terrifying
This is was all over the news for three weeks straight when it happened...and I live in America. How did you miss it?
I saw that autism thing coming so far off... Honestly this is a huge fear for me because my son is autistic and he really struggles with accepting other people's autonomy and regulating his anger and impulses. He got beat up on the school playground (He was 5!!) and he thought the older kids were playing with him. So a HUGE amount of my focus goes on nurturing his natural compassion and his regulation/boundaries etc. He's very sweet and kind when he is regulated, he is always talking about inventions he wants to make to stop death, protect the planet etc, tries to take care of me when I am sick. But when he isn't I get so worried for his future. And yet. None of the health services in my country want to give him/us any support. It's like they are trying to set him up for the wrong path.
Mrs.Hunt, please don't give up. I'm autistic and had similar issues when I was younger. Today, I'm working on a "normal" job as a software developer. I had huge help from my mother, father, and brother, and I'm very thankful for them. What you are doing makes a big impact on your sons future, I'm happy for him and want to thank you. Greetings from Germany, Lisa (26 y/o)
as a neurodivergent person myself, we do not claim him.
Speak for yourself
I’m autistic too and I can agree!
I agree. I can empathize with many of the uncomfortable social experiences, but I draw the line at his behavior.
Autistic and called it before she said it. Also don’t claim him
It happened right outside my work building. There were body bags and blood on the streets. One girl I always had a horrible feeling about was like “we finally made it on the news”. Scary people out there. Another man was physically ill and another crying.
We always think of the victims in these cases, but there are so many that are terribly impacted. I'm sorry you and your colleagues had to witness any of that and hope you all have been able to find some peace.
Up until he lost his mind, my heart hurt for him. The bullying he went through is so sad. I have two siblings with Tourette’s; my brother (full body tics) was a lot worse than my sister (just facial tics), so I know what it’s like seeing someone bullied for something they can’t control.
I almost wish the high school bullies could also be held accountable for turning him into a monster. When you think about it, they had such a huge part in molding him into what he became in the end.
This is why we need to get a grip on mental health for real. Dude had all the signs his whole life that he needed therapy and you can HELP teach social skills. But he just got labeled as the weird kid and from then on out he was doomed. Dude it happens more often than people wanna admit
I'm Canadian and I literally remember hearing about this in class. So disturbing. I hope all the victims are resting in peace.
All of the descriptions of Alek are things that have been said about me. I finally learned at 36 that I, too, am neurodivergent. I figured autism just based on what he was said to be like as a kid. I'm fr glad I never went on to do anything heinous like he did, tho.😬
your self awareness puts you in a different category than this guy. you will find your people! even if it’s just one or two, there are friendships / love out there for everyone. I wish you the best ❤
@@rilleygriffin thank you.🫂 My bff & lover are all wrapped up into one. I finally found him 7yrs ago. He truly is my one & only.
@@QueenofChaos80 I love this! 💜⚡️
I’m autistic and it was the same with me. I used to growl at kids, both in an angry way and also like a dog, back in elementary school and I struggled with social cues and didn’t understand what was weird or right or wrong. I also used to throw the worst temper tantrums as a kid as well that I got bullied terribly for it. Now I’m 22 and I have never ever nor would I ever hurt anyone in my life.
@@AlexandraBolz I understand 💯. I always felt 'different' than my peers, but couldn't figure out why. Now, Ik.🤷🏽♀️ It actually feels really good to have a reason behind it.🫂
Wth… Life in prison with parole after 25 years. WHAT??!! LIFE SHOULD BE LIFE.. This makes me so angry. Eleven lives were taken from their families. Many people’s lives will never be the same. My condolences to all the families and friends. This is so heartbreaking💔
Involuntarily celibate, but the part about being an asshole is completely voluntary
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so many of those dudes are just lying anyways. Lots of them sleep with girls but refuse to date them or form real connections because she "isnt good enough" xD they seriously believe that they are owed trophy wives and anything less than that just doesnt count.
You'll never get them to admit that. Everything is everyone else's fault according to them.
These kind of awkward and socially maladapted young men need to learn that being a desirable mate is a skill. If you put in the work and listen when someone is put off by creepiness or tasteless remarks, instead of rocking themselves and believing it's not their fault. Just because your mama tells you your perfect the way you are, pretty much everyone else will expect certain things from you. It's not only a male issue but people in general. I do wonder how much his autism is to blame. Rip to all the innocents slain by these entitled morons. That devastation, now there's something that's not fair.
What I find most interesting is that the vast majority of these “incels” are actually attractive men. They could get an attractive girl if they had the right attitude and confidence.
Exactly, it's their personality and often how they treat women like less than and like they're just there as a place to put their semen and not a human being. Most often, in my experience, it's misogynistic attitudes that make me reject men like that. Worst case it's that plus a lack of a job, no sense of responsibility, poor personal hygiene and entitlement to me and my time and body. Gross.
They want the girls that already belong to a "Chad". They don't look around at all the other available girls, they just focus on the unachievable. It's a sad, sick existence.
Even Alek was not a physically unattractive man! I wonder if he would have received proper therapy and support, this may not have happened. In his youth, he needed that help; nevertheless, being bullied is not an excuse to harm people!
I see so many cases and think, “What if this person got early intervention and help? Could the circumstances be different?”
That is really what it comes down to. They just suck personality wise.
Yeah they not unattractive at all, the problem isn't how they look, although they insist that it is!, the trouble is in their warped thinking, the whole idea of it all is actually spooky scary, and they feed of each others depression and anger.😮
I actually interacted with Alek before the van incident. I was working as an IT recruiter for a consultant agency and onboarded his profile into our database which involved a phone call with him. I don't recall anything of note in the call or his resume but I remember when the story of his van spree hit thinking "wait...I know this guy." and I refound his resume and sure enough it was him. Wild to think the random people you interact with day to day can be capable of such things.
that is wild! :O
My son has autism. As a mother who advocates for him, I know his autism isn’t an excuse for certain behaviors. Just because he is autistic doesn’t mean he’s stupid, in fact, it’s the opposite, my son is extremely intelligent and he knows right from wrong, even at 4 years old, he knows when he’s doing something bad and when I catch him, he gives himself up right away. Alec trying to use his autism to get out of trouble is truly sick. He knew what he was doing.
As the mother of an autistic boy, I really feel for what child Alek went through, and it doesn’t sound like his parents did much to help. It hurts my heart to think of any special needs child being so relentlessly bullied.
It does not excuse what he did in the slightest, but I can’t help but think if his parents involved themselves more, he never would’ve ended up in the online incel community and the whole thing never would have happened.
Exactly what I was thinking
Same! My eldest is high functioning autistic and he is so loving so funny and its social situations he struggled with. School was hell for him. It really caused more issues. Fortunately after many years of stress and lots of trauma, trying to source help from the correct professionals, councelling, he made huge progress and started modelling! Went back to college, did acting classes! He's a beautiful looking lad. With that came confidence and at 26( 3 years ago) he met his first ever girlfriend, travelled across the world, got married and they are living together very happy 😊 still has struggles but has come so far. Starts a new job next week and is looking forward. He was never dangerous or violent to anyone,only himself.
I think there will always be issues with anyone who has any kind of additional need or mental health condition when they are not given support, being bullied and ridiculed will only make them more isolated and often angry.
This does not ever excuse any violence or evil behaviour at all! It just gives us an insight into what might have led them to be so damaged and dangerous. It's very frustrating and so scary that these young guys who claim to be incels believe they are somehow entitled to attention and sexual interaction with girls who really just do not like them and have every right to not be interested! They do not seem to realise its them, their personality, the way they act etc you can not completely change the way you are but I believe there is someone for everyone, no one owes you anything not their time not their body....this is totally insane what people will do for notoriety and to feel they have somehow got revenge on anyone who ever rejected them!
Those poor victims and their families are all that matter ❤
I'm still Shocked at how cruel kids can be! Bullying is So Mean!!💔💔💔💔
yet so many men on the internet say “let’s bring bullying back” whyyyy tf.
@@weedwitch666Do they? How many? What is the context?
@@flumpaustin1994a lot of times people say we should “bring bullying back” when someone is doing something they consider weird or unconventional online. like if someone is cosplaying, posting comedy skits, outfit videos etc, that a person finds bad or cringe, they say the person should be bullied so they stop. and usually the people in these videos are obviously neurodivergent, or just enjoy niche things. they’re haters.
My daughter is also atustic. Sadly we didn't get her diagnosed until she was out of HS. She was very blessed to find a group of friends who were like her. As a mother I still have guilt that I didn't know she had autism. I think things might have been easier for her. We sis have her in counseling since she was 11. She is now a wonderful woman. Heart of gold. Just socially awkward.
I'm also autistic and a woman. I wasn't diagnosed until I was 21. Maybe it helps you to know that I'm not angry with my parents. I also have adhd and my mom was diagnosed with adhd after me, and we are pretty sure now that dad is autistic. To them, it was their "normal" and hence they couldn't know better.
It is also worth noting that girls on the spectrum start masking as early as 3 years old and they usually don't show the signs as obvious as most males on the spectrum. So please don't blame yourself for not noticing. I'm so happy that you accepted her as she is, so much that you didn't notice her autism.
If you're not able to find a lady who is interested in you, maybe work on your issues and your self-confidence and learn to love yourself first. It DOES NOT mean you are entitled to get what you want, and you can't treat others so so disrespectfully and disgustingly.
I remember this day so vividly... my school was playing against another team in soccer, and there was an incident where the other school students' had come with a knife and were taunting us with it... our coaches then called the police and they said they were "too busy" and our coaches were like "What could possibly be going on in Toronto for them to be that busy that they can't come to deal with this threat?". Then, later when I got home this was on the news. :(
the way i clicked the notification 😂
Can you imagine being such a strong person to survive cancer to then be killed by a monster like this. 💔 Rip to all those who lost their lives in one way or another (either the victims or their familys)
The entitlement is disgusting and blood boiling!
I agree. I've always thought that Elliot was an incel because his personality was absolute trash!
The problem with most incels, is not getting girls, but getting the girls they want. You don't think that most girls want the good looking jock with muscles? At least we learn to either date in our own attractiveness sphere or down. These guys only want what they can't have and then blame all women. Whaaa.
This is so true! Only white and east Asian women are women to incels, they're so so ra cist. If you're dark, you don't even count.
That’s what I was thinking. It’s not because a lot of them cannot find girls, it’s because they expect to feel attraction to women and the woman should also not reciprocate attraction and just conform to whoever. They are allowed to have a type but women cannot.
And also that they actually think that they are the centre of the world and the fact that they can't get a woman has something to do with society being broken, and not their own behaviour
I'm also a 22-year old virgin, but I never blamed men for it?? Like I rejected guys that I didn't like, and I've been rejected by guys I like, that's just how the world works, I haven't found a match yet
Imagine if I (or any other woman without relationship) decided that a man owes me sex just because I exist??? that's insane, like what's wrong with them
I was going to comment the same. These average (or below average) joes want girls that are 8,9, or 10's, when they are like 5's. Sorry no not going to happen. Plus to if they would take courses on how to speak to people in general they may do better communicating with women. They think they are owed things but sorry thats not how life works. This isn't a free sample kiosk at the grocery store. 🎶 You Can't Always Get What You Want!!🎶 If they want sex so bad they can pay for it. I mean its legal in some places. They just want a particular woman or women that don't want them. Sometimes you just gotta let that go bc you are missing out on someone who may actually like you. Yet i wouldn't put up with the crap these men spit out. This isn't the 1400's or some middle eastern country who forces marriages.
@@janehargrove3651 I'm 28 years old man and virgin, by choice mind you. But still a virgin none the less, what i don't get is what is wrong with this guys. I'm in love with same woman for more than 15 years and did get a courage to ask her out, we went and she decided that i was not right one for her and that is ok, i respect that. However i still love her to this day so i choose to stay single and virgin cause for me it feels like i'm "cheating" on what i feel for her. What i don't get is why those guys don't hook up with Ladies of the night (hookers) ? In todays day and age there is nothing wrong with hooking up like that. If i ever wanted to lose my virginity there is options even with ladies of the night,tinder and milion other apps where girls/woman are looking for casual hook ups. It's stupid when there exists so many options for people to loose they virginity.
My boyfriend is on the spectrum and was originally diagnosed with the PDD and I can tell you he would NEVER do something like this just to point that out to anyone that links disorders to people and think anyone with these disorders would do the same. He's definitely one of the best people I've ever met and has become so much more affectionate and social since we met ❤
This case parallels with a US case. Darrell Brooks. Not as far as the insel goes, but the attack itself and the devastating impact on families and the community as a whole. This case was very hard for me to watch as a result. Brooks' attack happened in my hometown. His case is more of a bail reform issue. His attack killed 6 (includingan 8 yo boy), injured 100+, and traumatized thousands in attendance of a CHRISTMAS PARADE! The 2 year "anniversary" was just last week. Absolutely senseless tragedy.
It was boys bullying him to talk to girls but he hated girls?? Pretty backwards thinking
I was thinking that too!
It's amazing how everything bad that happens to incels is somehow the fault of women in their minds 🤡
"they had very big muscles, they had, very big arms" :'DDDDD sounds like me and my friends trying to make coherent conversation after 3am
So baffling, the way these people think! It's not the fault of women that they don't find someone desirable! No one really has any control over what they do or don't find attractive.
i dont think it would even matter if someone did find them attractive, the moment they behave as though they are entitled to their body, and show no respect, any physical attraction dissapates. I genuinely think its the attitude and mentality that makes them unattractive.
@nylarose2310
Believe me, I agree with you 💯%!! But it has been my observation that if someone is attractive enough, it doesn't matter! I've, personally, seen men behave like that and still get their hands on more bumper than a bodyshop!! And that's because there are plenty of shallow people out there that really do base their opinion solely on how physically attractive they are.
@@robertkain7890i think it’s a mix of both! i think men with shit personalities that get laid still are smart enough to change their personality around the women they want to sleep with. incels think they should get sex regardless of their horrible attitude. one uses a little bit of trickery to get what they want, the other is too dumb/narcissistic to change to get what they desire.
@@robertkain7890 well duh. hot people get more opportunities regardless of their sex. Same way that rich people get more opportunities- theyre just more desirable. The point is that your personality can take you very far and an attractive body isnt enough to make everyone want you if you have a gross/weird mindset.
You put the blame on what they find attractive
I have autism, and want to loudly state that we don’t claim him. You cannot use your autism as an excuse for horrific acts. An example of this that I faced in my life (SA is very briefly mentioned) my abuser said he “didn’t SA me because he couldn’t tell I was uncomfortable due to his autism.” He SAd me for two years repeatedly, I told him no and that I was in a relationship repeatedly. It wasn’t the autism, it was because he wanted to do it.
Can agree. I’m autistic myself and I would never hurt anyone in my life nor would most who have it. And I’m sorry about what you went through.
Fitting the definition of an incel doesn't make someone a bad person. You can be a good person and struggle with finding romantic/sexual partners. However, if you identify with the incel movement and blame the opposite sex for your struggles... then the likelihood of being a good person significantly decreases 😬
But making such a deal of it and then uniting and giving a technical name is like cult mentality. As a gen-x guys just kind of said they didn’t get “laid.” It was unfortunate if they were rejected or just their date was lady like but our generation didn’t make it a huge thing and we didn’t even know it was something called involuntary celibate.
It went to from an oh well I didn’t get lucky to what is basically a cult mentality with the irony of they can’t get what they want so they in turn hate. I’m so glad I’m a gen-x girl before all the new things people just shrugged off and said oh well to making it into an entire hate group.
Anyone that associates themselves with a group that believes this nonsense is NOT a good person. You can’t identify as part of a group that believes they’re entitled to another human being and be a decent person. That’s just reality. Don’t identify as part of the group if you don’t agree with their belief system. If you call yourself that then you are what the term implies. It’s very simple.
I’ve been going through the worst depression lately due to school and I plan to not continue it, and your videos really help me out when I’m at my worst.
For case suggestions I’d love to see your coverage on the Lillelid murders, Alvin and Judith Neeley, Crystal Howell, and Rachael Mullenix.
Sending good vibes and thoughts your way ❤ you are still here ! 😊that means alot to alot of people
Sending hugs your way 🤗 Take it easy and do what is best for you ❤
Hugs.... Keep your head up!!
@@Theehottie thanks so much.
These forums are radicalising men with extreme social issues. Something needs to be done as forming a pack mentality unchecked is leading to innocent deaths. There needs to be intervention and just like any radicalising organisation, it is dangerous. You can see in the interview that he truly believed in his world view, like the language used about chads and staceys as if anyone outside of that incel world would see that as an issue. Someone needs to take this seriously, FINALLY.
Couldn’t agree more!
LITERALLY
He killed 10 ppl but still has the possibility of parole after 25 yrs?!?! Make that make sense...
I think it's a statutory requirement. I'm actually pretty conflicted over it.
I worked close to where this incident occurred at the time. It was so heartbreaking.. The local news barely covered his upbringing so I always appreciate your detailed videos.
Danielle - so stressed out about doing presentations for the class it made her sick
Also Danielle - makes a career of doing true crime presentations for thousands of people.
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the problem here is male violence and entitlement its not his childhood its not the bullying it’s a man feeling entitled to sex and their need for control and dominance over women.
With that logic, every man would be an abuser, and that is not the case. It absolutely is his upbringing, experiences & his mental condition that led to this. Not just him being male. Smh ...
@@jenniferj5324it is him being a male and a woman hater. I don’t go about killing people because men have done extremely harmful things to me (putting it this way to not go into detail), and I also got bullied a lot as a kid. Women didn’t even harm him, they just didn’t wanna go on a date with him because of his awful personality. And yet he goes out and kills people.
@@jenniferj5324 you just said a whole lot of nothing. cringey.
Then it should be about entitled to sex when people have sex or think these men should be more attractive than they are.
@@massivelshe’s right. Get over it.
yikes, my fiancee and i havent had sex in a while because neither of us are feeling well (body pain, sicknesses, mental health problems) and she is the only person i have ever slept with...i cannot even see myself being this way at my saddest and most depressed. i was definitely an incel before her, but jeez. this is just insanity. women dont owe you anything. my life would SUCK if i truly believed the way Elliot and Alec do. its so much energy putting into something beyond your control. dont be a monster! no matter how depressed you are, no matter how lonely you are, and no matter how horny you are; it is your responsibility to handle your own problems, in a way that harms absolutely no one. i think the ARMY was probably the worst move the parents could have made. the bullying can be way worse than high school, and they knew how that went. he was already on a bad path. what the fuck? again, it was his responsibility to handle himself, but he is also autistic. he has to have reasonable acommodations. the ARMY doesnt give any to their autistic troops. my fiancee can confirm, as she is autistic herself.
he could have made a good life, found a nice girl, and had a nice life. like i do. as an ex-incl myself: he is pathetic. get therapy. dont ignore your mental health if youre an incel. dont. you need therapy.
especially if youre also autistic please go to therapy and handle your mental health. this is disgusting and monstrous. this cannot be allowed to continue in the incel community, it used to be a community of people sharing pain. it needs to get back to that. pain is valid but violence is never valid.
What pulled you out of, "inceldom?" Worked on bettering your views/personality, etc? How did you meet your now, fiance? Hope you both have a good life & marriage, & body pains/sickness goes away, quickly!
Wait you were an incel? Would like some elaboration on getting out of that mindset. Curious
Thanks for sharing that, its so good to hear from an ex incel, who is sensible!! Am sorry that you both are unwell and hope you feel better soon, 😊
I would've fit the incel definition until I met my wife too, but it was just because I was too shy to get laid. I never got into an anger mindset like these guys though
My coworker and friend’s husband worked right at that intersection and at lunch hour he would cross the street to go to the gym, so when this was breaking news she was freaking out. He missed this horrible crime by minutes, but sadly all those victims were just going about their day and had no idea their lives were about to end. It’s really tragic and to this day I still have moments when I’m walking around Toronto and if I hear tires screeching I get scared. I can’t imagine what the people who were actually there and the families of these victims have to endure as a lasting fear and trauma.
The sad thing is, the involuntary celibacy idea was originally created by a woman without the hatred as a support thing. Even she has disavowed herself of the incel faction that has come about from her tiny online support group. I've followed incels for years (as a bizarre fascination/revulsion, not as in i actually ascribe to their thinking lol) such as through sites like r/inceltears and the shit they come out with is insane. I'd seen docs on Alec and Alex but yours were in greater detail than I'd ever seen before. Thanks as always Danielle!
What exactly did Alek’s parents do to help him with all of his issues? It seems that not much was done by his family to help him deal with all the problems he had. I’m not making any excuses for his horrific actions but his life may have been different if he got the help he really needed at an early age and through his teenage years.
I was thinking the very same thing. He was thrown to the wolves, and no one seemed to care. Had he had the appropriate help and socialized with the correct children, this may never have occurred.
There are programs to help persons on the Autism spectrum and their loved ones in the US anyway. Or the states I'm aware of.
Sadly probably not much. Armenian parents don't really believe in mental health. I'm Armenian and let me tell you our parents tend to be very conservative
@@talosheegmaybe they also not knew how to help and/or didn't have the ressources to do so?
I was thinking the same thing. His parents did not do enough to help him, and neither did the schools.
20:40 i was just thinking why don’t these guys ever just stop and think “maybe i’m the problem?”. i don’t think that there’s something inherently wrong with you if you can’t find a date, but if you’re struggling so much that it effects your life like these dudes then maybe it’s time to self evaluate or even be professionally evaluated.
real answer: misogyny
Sorry but how did they sue the van company? For what exactly? They did run a check on him and it came back clear, did people expect a van rental company to have a crystal ball?
This incident happened near my hometown. I knew the high school that Alec went to and I walk in the area that this horrible incident happened all the time. When I heard the news I was devastated and horrified. Thank you Danielle for bringing light to this case and acknowledging the victims. My heart goes out to their families and hope Alec never leaves prison.
Can we appreciate Danielle's makeup skills...like she is gorgeous with and without, but omg she is talented!
Completely agree, her makeup skills are insanely good.
i just wanted to say that i LOVE the natural shape and color of her lips so much. Every time I watch her I think about it but it never feels appropriate to comment on it. They look like little apricot slices and its gorgeous!
It’s sick that the army wants pawns so badly they’ll hire on new recruits who are absolutely not a good fit for the army. Even someone with mental health struggles shouldn’t be joining due to how PTSD could effect them. But someone with so many issues socially should not be okay. I wonder if Alek would have been better off if he never joined.
As someone that is a part of the gardening and baking community on Reddit it's sad to see how the plataform is known for this kind of things.
It's also abhorrent that these people get to find somewhere to radicalize themselves more and more without having someone stop it in time before people get hurt.
The entitlement of these guys to think they’re owed sex from anyone is mind boggling. There’s a reason why no one likes then and they just show their inner monster
Change your attitude, change your world! You aren’t “entitled” to someone…..you have to work to EARN SOMEONE….Be kind…Be thoughtful…Be gracious…change the world you impact! With life! Not death!
No person owes others anything, but you make demands without it being called that you want to be entitled to other people.
You also have to work to get them
Elliot rodger shot my friend 4 times. I cant even look at his face after 2014. I left Isla Vista afterwards. He was the first of a horrible kind of person, if you can call him human at all. Terrible
I'm so sorry.
My message would be that this was not only a wakeup call to our community, but also a wake up call and introduction to this Incel sub culture. It's vile, pathetic and extremely dangerous. I lived across the street from him a year before and on that night he stabbed his roommate and roommates friend who were playing video games. Isla Vista is a wild place. People in IV either commit to 100% turn up or they're they're for UCSB and are needs and not apart of the scene. Those first two unfortunate victims were the innocent type of IV'er. That's the saddest part. That graduation ceremony was extremely emotional honoring close to 10 victims. A few of which were set to graduate. This is a dangerous community and if you see something say something. For real, this includes shit is only getting worse with Tinder, OF, bumble (the potential for most izsues) etc
I live in the area where this happened. I remember the entire transit system was shut down on my way home from work that day and everyone knew something bad had happened. I recall the man on the news who held a woman as she passed, his grief was palpable. So many needless deaths. Just awful.
I mean there are prostitutes... Just saying. Going to that extreme is absolutely shocking....😢
When I first saw the title I thought it was a second video about Eliot Rodger. But hearing he had unironic friends and fans is just scary.
I don't understand suing the rental company. They couldn't have known. Could they have been suing their auto insurance company for their medical bills & damages?