Here is my story. I am 64. I have played guitar since I've been10. I have owned a lot of gear in my life. At 60 I had a brain aneurysm, which ended my career and thus stopped me from earning a living. So I sold everything I had (just about) so as not to go bankrupt. Then I saw these super inexpensive pedals (among other things as well) And I started up again - collecting musical things so I can continue playing. So...yeah I like this.
me to im 52 been playing writeing since 1980 since i was 10 still play started on acoustic didnt get electric guitar till 10 years latter still got that guitar washburn chicago series its manufactured in 89 i bought in 1990 so it s 33 years old its getting old too lol
Yeh - Kind of a waste for anyone a bit older who remembers Sears Good, Better and Best. All this talk to explain really nothing. He could have just said these are rebranded.
This is exactly what Bugera does with the tubes. Bugera tubes are re-branded Svetlana tubes. That's straight from a Bugera tech. These "budget" pedals are excellent product. You get a dead one once in awhile but Amazon's return policy is excellent too. I've put together 14 pedal boards with 10 to 15 pedals on each and I love them all.
From Leo: A generation ago Sears & Roebuck did a similar thing. They would find a product, and get the manufacturer to make it for them at a cheap, high volume price. This diluted the manufacturers brand and built up the Sears brand. As the Sears sales kept growing, they would chisel manufacturer's price down, until the OEM could not make money, but their brand value is by now gone. When Sears would push the maker to the curb and have a cheaper version made over seas, and the original company could not survive. I am related to a business that happened in the 1950's Seeing how it worked in the past, I am surprised that anyone would fall into the brand destroying trap.
It could be even worse than what you describe. Many manufacturers in Asia exploit the rights granted to them to manufacture for the name brand, by manufacturing their same exact product for other brands. This how Mahindra tractors came to be. They had copyright permission to manufacture for Deere, and then just started making their own, when Deere stopped paying them to make them. With specifically Chinese manufacturers, they are willing to risk the legal battles, because they know their country will prop them up and defend them, extending the amount of time they can exploit their patent permission. Amazon basics products regularly exploit the original maker, and rely on big money legal teams to extend the duration of their crimes.
Most guitarists are brand whores anymore. They won't endorse anything not made by a few select high dollar makers - even if they did/do OEM for cheaper brands. They will proudly tell you as much in the comments of every UA-cam video. NuX is making plenty of money doing the OEM thing and no one is really the wiser about these things. Even with this video revealing the connection, most people will never see it.
Exactly the same with tubes. I think there are three companies world wide that actually make them. We're all screwed if they stop and no one else starts 🤔
I think NUX is doing OEM pedals for a few brands. The ones I’ve tried have sounded great and I’ve been looking into them lately to put together a mini board for jams and cramped stages.
@@joemom1012 They really don't all come from the same factory... for starters Behringer has it's own factories. Joyo has it's own factory. Mooer audio has it's own factory, but they also make OEM for Flamma. There are 100's of factories in Shenzhen. Some of them make white label products, some of them don't. Apparently NUX do. Some of these companies make components for other bigger brands, too. It's a system of production called "pattern manufacturing" where they buy will buy the same 'pattern' and then manufacture it in their own way, with their own supply chain and distribution networks and their own (varying levels) of quality control.
@@joemom1012 NuX is not a white label brand itself, rather an OEM for other brands as many Chinese brands are. You're thinking of Donner, Azor, Rowin, Iset, Caline, and a few others. NuX has their own engineers and software developers and a factory.
I have a troybilt mower that's labeled as craftsman lol. Anyhoo, my local guitar center always looks like 1980's Moscow these days. Amazon, here i come.
There is a significant problem with your thesis. Amazon is competing with sellers on their own site. That is not the usual case with private label or store brands. They are competing against sellers in a way that can not possibly be fair. They data mine their own sellers to cut their throats. I'm sure it's legal, but it ain't ethical. They may have a legal right to do it, but I for one will not encourage these kinds of business practices by buying Amazon Basics products. Jeff is already insanely wealthy. Does he really need to put everyone else out of business?
I purchased a Vivlex fuzz. It is a similar product on Amazon. It worked fine for a while but now the volume is way out of whack. I cannot seem to tame the volume. Do you have any suggestions?
I just bought several of the same pedals as Amazon Basic pedals, but under the name Saphue. They look identical. These were on average about $5 less than the Amazon Basic pedals.
I love Amazon I don't care what people say I started building pedalboards after I lost my job during the pandemic and can get all the hardware and tools needed to custom build the boards I sell on Reverb and I have purchased these pedals myself personally and can say they are definitely worth the money . Specifically the "Clon Clone" golden horse 🐎 it sounds amazing...
Does anyone of you here know why the pedals that is categorized as “cheap” compared to the well known brand which is categorized as “expensive” have a different price gap extremely and hugely different, I mean I’m curious if the components inside those pedals are significantly have a big different in the quality wise so they cost crazily different each other? or is it the crafting quality or even just a brand name? I hope anyone of you understand what I’m trying to know. It would be great if there is a video that can explain this comparison detail between crazy cheap and crazy expensive pedals regarding the components quality/cost (if possible), or crafting quality. Thank you:)
Especially a couple years ago it was build and sound quality, but nowadays its moreso from the company having a high reputation or from the pedal being handcrafted from a small shop.
@@wesd3370 it annoys me slightly that i have to sit and waste 10min of my life every time i get hooked on a clickbait title. hope they change the policy or something so people making videos don't have to arbitrarily waster viewers time.
For the price yes. Are they going to be a long term “lifetime” buy, no, but for $25 not bad. I did a review on some other very similar pedals you can check out a few weeks ago.
The distortion sucks! I can recommend Caline but you will have to wait some weeks since they usually have to be ordered from China. I own the English Man and it's a great sounding plexi-style distortion. It even reacts like a real amp to an OD in front. You can easily google what it's a clone of! You will not regret it!
So Nux can make more money since they probably sell less. These probably cost pennies to make. Amazon makes $20 selling them, Nux makes $45. The buyer gets the exact same thing regardless. It's literally like everything else in the world. Milk from Walmart is $1.99, $2.99 at Target, $3.99 at a food store. Milk comes from a cow, it's all the exact same product with a different sticker on the container
Capitalism. Amazon is ok with making less per pedal since this isn't their bread and butter. They have their fingers in everything. NuX only makes pedals and they make more per pedal selling direct, but they can afford to discount them on large OEM orders to Amazon and other white label brands.
A better example than Maxon / Ibanez / Hoshino etc are The Coron / Asama / Guyatone etc or the Washburn / Artec products that would appear as 20 different names, yet still the same product. Fact is, they are quality pedals, and basically versions of MXR and ROSS or ProCo etc but, are the new wave of OEM pedals good quality?
I got some a amazon pedal and a boss distortion pedal amazon sounds better the boss sounds like an old radio andthe amazon pedal sounds crunchy and clear
Some pedals work better with certain amps than others. I have plenty of overdrives that sound like garbage on a solid state amp and work wonders on a tube amp, and vice versa.
Just do not buy them..Buy local.Go see your local music gear and buy Canadian/American.Pedals like Dr. Scientist,Earthquaker Devices,JHS etc.At least they are made in our countries and REAL high quality products. Thx for posting! Really interesting.Have a good life.
@@zachariahpoltergeist4516 Exactly. Elitist, shortsighted, American opinion. They think just because they've prioritized boutique pedals over budget, that means _everyone_ should skip breakfast for a month or two in order to have one reverb. Besides, most of the components in most American pedals come from Chinese factories, they're only assembled in the US. So you're only paying more for the labor.
but nux is a white label its self made from same factory as biyang mooer joyo thousands others they will put your name on any of the pedals they make and they change names like night and day on there main boards too originaly there goal was to make good pedals cheap now there starting to make quality exspensive pedals in the 100 £ range there doing keely clones just starting to hit the market
Yep. China makes nearly everything we own. 80% of products sold at Walmart come from China. They're humans with real human brains and ability, and deserve to make a living too. American capitalism loves that they can build it cheaper than an American can.
Here is my story. I am 64. I have played guitar since I've been10. I have owned a lot of gear in my life. At 60 I had a brain aneurysm, which ended my career and thus stopped me from earning a living. So I sold everything I had (just about) so as not to go bankrupt. Then I saw these super inexpensive pedals (among other things as well) And I started up again - collecting musical things so I can continue playing. So...yeah I like this.
Glad to hear your still playing , hope your doing well
Goodluck man hope you are doing what you love these days
me to im 52 been playing writeing since 1980 since i was 10 still play started on acoustic didnt get electric guitar till 10 years latter still got that guitar washburn chicago series its manufactured in 89 i bought in 1990 so it s 33 years old its getting old too lol
Good story.. thanks 👍🏼
@@shogun......can't tell if this is genuine or sarcasm but I agree with the ladder
If you're one of the 17 people in the world who doesn't understand what a store brand is, this is the video for you.
LMAO. This is the truth.
Thanks for alerting us to the fact we can pay more for this product, if we want. That's super helpful.
Is it just me, or did anyone else expect him to you know.. demo them?
Yeh - Kind of a waste for anyone a bit older who remembers Sears Good, Better and Best. All this talk to explain really nothing. He could have just said these are rebranded.
He spent all that time explaining something he just learned. Typical YTr
Great video! You've answered many of my questions about these pedals. Thank you.
This is exactly what Bugera does with the tubes. Bugera tubes are re-branded Svetlana tubes. That's straight from a Bugera tech.
These "budget" pedals are excellent product. You get a dead one once in awhile but Amazon's return policy is excellent too.
I've put together 14 pedal boards with 10 to 15 pedals on each and I love them all.
From Leo: A generation ago Sears & Roebuck did a similar thing. They would find a product, and get the manufacturer to make it for them at a cheap, high volume price. This diluted the manufacturers brand and built up the Sears brand. As the Sears sales kept growing, they would chisel manufacturer's price down, until the OEM could not make money, but their brand value is by now gone. When Sears would push the maker to the curb and have a cheaper version made over seas, and the original company could not survive. I am related to a business that happened in the 1950's Seeing how it worked in the past, I am surprised that anyone would fall into the brand destroying trap.
It could be even worse than what you describe. Many manufacturers in Asia exploit the rights granted to them to manufacture for the name brand, by manufacturing their same exact product for other brands. This how Mahindra tractors came to be. They had copyright permission to manufacture for Deere, and then just started making their own, when Deere stopped paying them to make them. With specifically Chinese manufacturers, they are willing to risk the legal battles, because they know their country will prop them up and defend them, extending the amount of time they can exploit their patent permission. Amazon basics products regularly exploit the original maker, and rely on big money legal teams to extend the duration of their crimes.
Most guitarists are brand whores anymore. They won't endorse anything not made by a few select high dollar makers - even if they did/do OEM for cheaper brands. They will proudly tell you as much in the comments of every UA-cam video.
NuX is making plenty of money doing the OEM thing and no one is really the wiser about these things. Even with this video revealing the connection, most people will never see it.
Just bought 48 pack of AAs Amazon basics to use with my ME-80.. use 6 per show(or rehearsal), then replace..
Jet, Grizzly, Powermatic, Shop Fozx and many other professional table saws are all made in the same factory in Taiwan. FYI
Saw this video. Noticed the music villa plug. Didn’t even know they had this class and I live in Bozeman. I’m going to check it out. Are you local?
Exactly the same with tubes. I think there are three companies world wide that actually make them. We're all screwed if they stop and no one else starts 🤔
They will become a niche item one day. Nutube is where it's at
Not sure who didn’t already know this, but at least he explained it about 19 times in a row.
I am totally for the Amazon pedals, but I just want some more knobs and switches on them 😛
I dont think you'd want to keep adding knobs and circuitry to stuff like this. Let it be inexpensive and remain that way lol
@@blgdinger3 I knowww I just wish i could afford a chase bliss pedal 🤣
I think NUX is doing OEM pedals for a few brands. The ones I’ve tried have sounded great and I’ve been looking into them lately to put together a mini board for jams and cramped stages.
nux is a white lable product all the china pedals come from same factory they will even put your name on there pedals off some websights
@@joemom1012 They really don't all come from the same factory... for starters Behringer has it's own factories. Joyo has it's own factory. Mooer audio has it's own factory, but they also make OEM for Flamma. There are 100's of factories in Shenzhen. Some of them make white label products, some of them don't. Apparently NUX do. Some of these companies make components for other bigger brands, too. It's a system of production called "pattern manufacturing" where they buy will buy the same 'pattern' and then manufacture it in their own way, with their own supply chain and distribution networks and their own (varying levels) of quality control.
@@joemom1012 NuX is not a white label brand itself, rather an OEM for other brands as many Chinese brands are. You're thinking of Donner, Azor, Rowin, Iset, Caline, and a few others. NuX has their own engineers and software developers and a factory.
@@PostingCringeOnMain Thank You and Don’t forget Hotone, Valeton, and Sonicake are the same
I have a troybilt mower that's labeled as craftsman lol. Anyhoo, my local guitar center always looks like 1980's Moscow these days. Amazon, here i come.
Guitar center had a desktop mic stand for $25 Amazon has the same rebranded made in China mic stand for $12.99
There is a significant problem with your thesis. Amazon is competing with sellers on their own site. That is not the usual case with private label or store brands. They are competing against sellers in a way that can not possibly be fair. They data mine their own sellers to cut their throats. I'm sure it's legal, but it ain't ethical. They may have a legal right to do it, but I for one will not encourage these kinds of business practices by buying Amazon Basics products. Jeff is already insanely wealthy. Does he really need to put everyone else out of business?
I've actually stopped by AmazonBasics stuff because of it unless it's a price difference I can't ignore.
This is capitalism. Love it or leave it. That's what everyone always tells me.
My feeling is Amazon "green" pedal is actually more like a Nobels ODR or Rangemaster than the Ibby/Maxon TS.
Really? I always wanted a different flavor to a TS. What makes you so sure?
@@InTheSh8 He's wrong. It's also the same pedal as the Kokko green OD, which I've had, and is clearly a TS clone
I purchased a Vivlex fuzz. It is a similar product on Amazon. It worked fine for a while but now the volume is way out of whack. I cannot seem to tame the volume. Do you have any suggestions?
get a big muff
I just bought several of the same pedals as Amazon Basic pedals, but under the name Saphue. They look identical. These were on average about $5 less than the Amazon Basic pedals.
I love Amazon I don't care what people say I started building pedalboards after I lost my job during the pandemic and can get all the hardware and tools needed to custom build the boards I sell on Reverb and I have purchased these pedals myself personally and can say they are definitely worth the money . Specifically the "Clon Clone" golden horse 🐎 it sounds amazing...
Does anyone of you here know why the pedals that is categorized as “cheap” compared to the well known brand which is categorized as “expensive” have a different price gap extremely and hugely different, I mean I’m curious if the components inside those pedals are significantly have a big different in the quality wise so they cost crazily different each other? or is it the crafting quality or even just a brand name? I hope anyone of you understand what I’m trying to know. It would be great if there is a video that can explain this comparison detail between crazy cheap and crazy expensive pedals regarding the components quality/cost (if possible), or crafting quality.
Thank you:)
Especially a couple years ago it was build and sound quality, but nowadays its moreso from the company having a high reputation or from the pedal being handcrafted from a small shop.
Lol, I totally thought he was drawing out the video to get to 10 mins... I was legitimately surprised to see it was under 10 mins.
They lowered the ad insert time from 10 minutes to 8 last year.
@@j7a1k1e lol well it all makes sense then.
@@wesd3370 it annoys me slightly that i have to sit and waste 10min of my life every time i get hooked on a clickbait title. hope they change the policy or something so people making videos don't have to arbitrarily waster viewers time.
@@ythsh lol, they did change it... To 8 minutes... Which is probably why this video was 9 minutes lol
I bought one of these, didn't last a year. ... sounded fine while it worked however..
10 amazon pedals or 1 boutique pedal?
Great video man!
Thanks! Really appreciate it 🎸🎸
good video my man
Thanks! Really appreciate it 🎸
I was thinking about trying a couple of these. Are they worth it?
For the price yes. Are they going to be a long term “lifetime” buy, no, but for $25 not bad. I did a review on some other very similar pedals you can check out a few weeks ago.
@@bsideguitar Thanks for the response. I'm going to try a couple of them. Peace.
The compressor I heard is analog if your care...um looking at kmise pedals I hope the delay is actually analog
@@danielbarry5547 Good information. Thanks.
The distortion sucks! I can recommend Caline but you will have to wait some weeks since they usually have to be ordered from China. I own the English Man and it's a great sounding plexi-style distortion. It even reacts like a real amp to an OD in front. You can easily google what it's a clone of! You will not regret it!
I don't see any Amazon basic pedals on Amazon
I just noticed that the other day. Makes me wonder if they sold out or have pulled them???
@@bsideguitar Me also?
I dont know of buy those amazon pedals or just get a fender mustang multi effects.
Why does the nuX version cost more tho 🤷♂️
So Nux can make more money since they probably sell less. These probably cost pennies to make. Amazon makes $20 selling them, Nux makes $45. The buyer gets the exact same thing regardless. It's literally like everything else in the world.
Milk from Walmart is $1.99, $2.99 at Target, $3.99 at a food store. Milk comes from a cow, it's all the exact same product with a different sticker on the container
Capitalism. Amazon is ok with making less per pedal since this isn't their bread and butter. They have their fingers in everything. NuX only makes pedals and they make more per pedal selling direct, but they can afford to discount them on large OEM orders to Amazon and other white label brands.
Kirkland whisky is great, cheap pedals are great too
Their tequila is awesome as well
I'm waiting on an Amazon Basics Texan Twang. Lol.
that's the f*cking capitalism, bro.
That's good but a lot of amazon basics not exist anymore.
A better example than Maxon / Ibanez / Hoshino etc are The Coron / Asama / Guyatone etc or the Washburn / Artec products that would appear as 20 different names, yet still the same product. Fact is, they are quality pedals, and basically versions of MXR and ROSS or ProCo etc but, are the new wave of OEM pedals good quality?
I got some a amazon pedal and a boss distortion pedal amazon sounds better the boss sounds like an old radio andthe amazon pedal sounds crunchy and clear
Some pedals work better with certain amps than others. I have plenty of overdrives that sound like garbage on a solid state amp and work wonders on a tube amp, and vice versa.
No, you should not buy them. There are much cheaper pedals with the same board in them.
Did someone think Bezos was in his garage making these?
You look like the Uber driver that stole my phone I left in his car. Don't sound like him tho so you're cool.
You can’t find those pedals anymore
I noticed that also. Not sure if they are just out of stock or discontinued. It will be interesting to see what happens here.
Decentralise. Even if it you cost money.
Just do not buy them..Buy local.Go see your local music gear and buy Canadian/American.Pedals like Dr. Scientist,Earthquaker Devices,JHS etc.At least they are made in our countries and REAL high quality products.
Thx for posting! Really interesting.Have a good life.
That's good advice for pros, but for someone starting out or just a hobbyist I see nothing wrong with going for a $30 pedal over a $500 one.
@@zachariahpoltergeist4516 Exactly. Elitist, shortsighted, American opinion. They think just because they've prioritized boutique pedals over budget, that means _everyone_ should skip breakfast for a month or two in order to have one reverb.
Besides, most of the components in most American pedals come from Chinese factories, they're only assembled in the US. So you're only paying more for the labor.
No one thinks Amazon makes shit bro lol
same for white label gasoline
That's literally just branded dropshipping
i cringe every time i hear that word
Victory amp! Martin will be pleased.
Far from amazon basics.
but nux is a white label its self made from same factory as biyang mooer joyo thousands others they will put your name on any of the pedals they make and they change names like night and day on there main boards too originaly there goal was to make good pedals cheap now there starting to make quality exspensive pedals in the 100 £ range there doing keely clones just starting to hit the market
Its called CHINA
Yep. China makes nearly everything we own. 80% of products sold at Walmart come from China. They're humans with real human brains and ability, and deserve to make a living too. American capitalism loves that they can build it cheaper than an American can.