This video makes it very clear the significance of Sanskrit non translatables. Babaji has co-authored a book with Rajivji Malhotra in this subject. Another strong reason to learn Sanskrit and avoid translations , especially English 🙏
Thank u sir from Nepal. I was waiting for this video since long. I used to go to Iskon a few years back. But the use of word demigod haunted me. Krishna is always aradhya for me. But to degrade Shiva and Mahamaya Durga as demigods is always unacceptable.
I think it happened bcz of the proper translation problem. Sri prabhupada had a very small time... So he choosed the words by with the people in west can easily understand. I have seen Shiva lingam and shiv puja in iskcon. My local iskcon temple also had a shiv lingam, Shiva is known as param vaishnav in vaishnava sect,without his mercy no one can reach Krishna. They don't insult other God. In every school of Hinduism there is the one supreme being. In vaishnav, the Krishna/ Rama/ maha Vishnu is the supreme under him the Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh and Sakti. In shivaite the sadaShiva is supreme... Under him Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh and Sakti. In Sakti worship the adi Sakti is supreme under her Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh and others. Correct me if I'm wrong. Bcz I'm not expert.
@@tivo3720 My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
@@tivo3720 My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
Do not get deterred by just English translation, try to grasp the broader philosophy of Santan Dharm and ISKCON is spreading our Vedic culture all around the world.
Interesting video. Rajiv Malhotra made a series of videos on the topic of ‘Sanskrit non translatables’ . One of them dealt with the word deva which is mistranslated as gods/angels in English. You will enjoy these videos. Keep up the good work mr Mishra.
He knows Rajiv Malhotra ji in person if you are new watch earliest of rajivjis video you will get to know about him and his work ,both of them have a video on that malechch devdutt patnayak a must watch!!
ROTFL: Do you know who has written Forward of the book Sanskrit Non-Translatables : The Importance of Sanskritizing English, authored by Rajiv Malhotra and Satyanarayana Dasa Babaji? Right now at the time of writing this comment, the book is at less than an arm's distance. In some of his videos Rajiv Malhotra has mentioned a kind of people who has no expertise, doesn't want to do any work, but just keep giving advice. Like Rajiv Malhotra, I too find those type of people not only disturbing but also distracting. Answer: Nityānanda Miśra
In my opinion We should simply write Bhagwan, Devta or Ishwar instead of Translating them into English.. just like Muslim never translate Allah, Rab into English.
Yes..... SANATANIs must speak and write the original words as used in our PAVITRA GRANTHAS . ..... like BHAGWAN, ISHWARA, PRABHU, MATAA, PITAA, VANAR ( NOT MONKEY), AATMAA, PARAMATMAA ETC. OUR VOCABULARY IS MUCH STRONGER AND UNIQUE THAN ANY OTHER LANGUAGES.....
That's good but it wasn't possible for Srila Prabhupada in 1970s as his audience was English people who had zero knowledge of Indian languages. Moreover English itself is quite limited language. What will anyone do if there is no option. All the varied terms like ishwar, bhagvan, paramatma are used as God or One true God in their culture. So that's not Srila Prabhupada's problem if we carefully look into the matter.
Muslims don't translate it because Allah is the actual NAME of the islamic god, just like Vishnu and Shiva are the names of hindu Gods. On the other hand, ishvara, bhagwan, devta, etc, are not names, so they should be translated. Otherwise, it would be impossible for non-indic language speakers to grasp the meanings of these words. However, I do agree that proper translations must be done for all these subtle, closely related words, or else it can cause even greater confusion.
Brilliant video 👏 now I guess passionate Iskconites will cope hard to justify Prabhupada's mistranslations and bluffs in order to critic Nityanand sir for this video
No they can is nityanand mishra present that time when prabhupad went to us and he thought two words God and Demi God so all cannot be God if one is God then other have to be Demi God in this way he showed hierarchy so hierarchy must be maintained.
@@PerfectStranger1623 yes I can proof by sampradaya like ramanujacharya madhvacharya ramananandacharya translation that visnu is paramatma and shiv ji is not so here to distinguish he translated as God and demigod
@@PerfectStranger1623 धृतोर्ध्वपुण्ड्रः परमेशितारं नारायणं साङ्ख्ययोगाधिगम्यम् । ध्यात्वा विमुच्येत नरः समस्तैः संसारपाशैरिह चेति विष्णुम् ॥ One who wears the Urdhvapundra and meditates on the great controller Naaraayana, who is known through Saankhya and Yoga, shall be liberated from all bondages of samsaara. -Mahaa Upanishad (quoted by Shri Vedaanta Deshika, in Sachcharitra Raksha) प्रत्यगानन्दं ब्रह्म पुरुषं प्रणव॑स्वरू॒पम् । अकार उकार मका॑र इ॒ति । तानेकधा समभरत्तदेत॑दोमि॒ति । यमुक्त्वा॑ मुच्य॑ते यो॒गी॒ ज॒न्म॒संसा॑रब॒न्धनात् । The Yogi who pronounces the name of Him, the blissful Brahma Purusha, who is the form of the Pranava, composed of the letters ‘A’, ‘U’ and ‘Ma’, is released from the bondage of birth and samsaara. -Naaraayana Upanishad, Khanda 4 (also repeated in the Aatmabodha Upanishad)
@@kumarakantirava429 may God give you some knowledge 🙏🏼 so that you may realise that it is for all sentient humans regardless of their caste or creed.
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
@@sakha_dusthoka There are not crore's of Universes but thare is Only one Omniverse. According to *Rigveda 6.49.10* Lord Shiva is referred as Father of entire Omniverse.
Good Morning. My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
@tarotym Before Pointing your finger on Bhaktivedanta Swami Try Google Translation you will Find the answer... Demigods means Devta....in Sanskrit what is the meaning of Devta definitely it will be not what the Hindu believes....
@@Poder108 Yes, Prabhupada did not use Google Translate, but I had just asked to use Google Translate so that you know that Demigod means Devta....In the entire Hindu religion, each God has been described as supreme by their Followers and they have insulted others Gods But Prabhupada have not done anything wrong at that level he spoked the Truth and now after the Grand Opening of Ram mandir this type of things are raised deliberately to attack the Vaishnavas and it is a combined conspiracy of those two group of peoples one of whom drink Somaras and the second group is of those who smoke Ganja. those intoxicated people think that by doing this they will bring down the devotees of Krishna or the Vaishnava saints then it is not going to happen the fools will fall into their Own trap......
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
Thank you for bringing this up. First, Greek and Latin does not have the concept of one God. So, all its derivatives like English too cannot have an equivalent for one God. But we know that God is one. What then?? The only choice that a translator has is to assert a meaning or use the Sanskrit word as is. Coming to 'Demigod' word, it refers in English to partial entities to the 'Gods' who are actually not the one God but just living beings like Humans but who have Super human 'bodies'. The reference are the BG verses, 'ksheene punye martya lokam vishanti' meaning that when the credits are exhausted, the 'Gods' take birth with human bodies, Shocking!. What 'God' is this?. Also 'aabrahma bhuvanal lokah punaravartinah..'. meaning that this repeats on and on up and down. So Brahma is a normal living being and not the one God. So, in that sense, they are partial to the one God. That means, the 'Gods' themselves are partial to the one God and no better than humans, except Lord Shiva. Lord Shivas case is specially mentioned in another BBT publication the Brahma Samhita. Thus, in Latin and its derivatives, the so called 'Gods' are not the one God but partial to him. In other words, it is not an ISKCON mistranslation but the 'inadequacy' of the English language itself that has caused this dilemma. In order for the translator His Divine Grace Shri Abhaya Charanaravinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to 'overlook' that limitation, which requires a mind that is not enslaved by a foreign culture or language, such an 'improvisation' was the only way out. After all, if the language is itself inadequate but the subject matter is of such urgency in Kali Yuga, a 'True' Master paves his own way!. All the other 'great' translators mentioned here are scarcely known in the world while Swami Prabhupada is very well known only because of this power! Hare Krishna! 🙏🙏
@@arjunkrishnadas Maha prabhu ji, Eid Mubarak. Happy Ramzaan. Please also read my last line ! where were You Prabu till Now ? Dandawat Pranaam. How is Amogh Leela Daas Ji doing ? Please convey my wishes to him. 1. Prabhupaad venturing to write commentary on Bhagawatam's Cosmology without reading his own Guru's Publications on vedic cosmology ? ! 2. Amogh Lila Prabhu running out when Questioned about why he congratulated ISRO m while Prabhupaad wanted to Protest against NASA/ISRO ! 3. I have 2 yr old MAil COnversations with Radhe Shyaam Prabhu ! Also his mails after ISRO moon landing. Best case study on Chamaleon. Even Prophet Mohammed is very famous across the world. Also, Mr Prabupaad, A true master did not pave his own way, he trampled his own way !
@@kumarakantirava-n2b Not only Shrila Prabhupada, many world scientists and observers still say that the old moon landing may have been faked. Do you have proof that they did not fake it? There are many analysis on this site that posits that it may be fake. So why not protest? All that is fine. You did a biiiig mistake by calling the Gitaji as inferior when all Acharyas lauded it. Your online credibility is done for! RIP friend! 😊
@@kumarakantirava-n2b Not only Shrila Prabhupada, many world scientists and observers still say that the old moon landing may have been faked. Do you have proof that they did not fake it? There are many analysis on this site that posits that it may be fake. So why not protest? All that is fine. You did a biiiig mistake by calling the Gitaji as inferior when all Acharyas lauded it. Your online credibility is done for! RIP friend! 😊
@msrsculpts8179 listen it again, don't embarrass yourself 🤦🏻 The Devas have already been translated as Gods It's clearly written - the Satvik's worship Gods (Devas) While Rajasic's worship DemiGods (yaksha)
@msrsculpts8179 There are many sanskrit words which dont have a direct english translation Which is why many videos and many books have been written on this matter "Non-Translatables" Words like Bhagwan, Parmatma, Satchidananda, Chetna, Atma etc. dont have an english word, due to english's limitations For example: Bhagwan means = Bha+Ga+Wa+Aa+Na Bh = Bhoomi (land/earth) Ga = Gagan (Space) Wa = Vayu (Air) Aa = Agni (Fire) Na = Neer (Water) There is no english word for this The word God is a Christian Word. It's meaning doesnt equate with Bhagwan, Parmatma or Satchidananda.
@msrsculpts8179 Gods here mean the Heavenly Gods such as God of Thunder, God of water, God of air, Goddess Earth etc. These are not the Supreme God that we worship in Hinduism Krishna Ji doesn't fall in this category Krishna is Bhagwan Are you a Non-Indian? Non- Hindu?
Not want to accuse anyone here but ISKON and BAPS have active efforts to package Sanatan Dharam as Abrahamic faiths. This is how they plan to increase following. That's where this discussion about "someone is inferior since gave in to physical relationship". In Abrahamic faiths, you are born off sin...you know the reason why. In Dharma sexual-reproduction is a riun (debt) of one born on this planet. Just like you perform Dharma, you also have to fulfill return to all the riun too. Now the issue with this is, are you really doing any service if you are just package Dharma as faith and selling to those who are trying to run away from the mess their life already is in.
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language. Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English. Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma. To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact. For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram. Is this abrahamism? No. I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
I see that you have got an untrue understanding about ISKCON. In Vedic shastras, you will find a wide range of statements, from encouraging serious candidates to dedicate themselves completely to self-realisation, as well as provisons to persons to marry, live a dharmic life, and gradually progress towards moksha. Now if one takes one stand out of the contexts and considers it 'extreme', it is result of misunderstanding. Shrila Prabhupada comments in Chaitanya Charitamrita Adi Lila 14 55 Although Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu accepted sannyāsa at an early age, it is not necessary for His devotees to follow Him by also taking sannyāsa. One can stay a householder, but one must be a devotee of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Then one will be happy, with all the material opulences of a good home, good children, good mate, good wealth and everything he desires. Therefore the śāstras advise, yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana-prāyair yajanti hi su-medhasaḥ (Bhāg. 11.5.32). Every householder, therefore, who is actually intelligent should introduce the saṅkīrtana movement home to home and live peacefully in this life and go back to Godhead in the next.
@@kumarakantirava-n2b you are fake n have a propoganda to spread . There was no fight btwn vaishnavs n shaivities n no one was killed just spreading lies ...
ISKCON devotees have become so rigid due to blind faith in Srila Prabhupada, they just don't want to accept the world has changed, and they need to adapt. They need to understand Srila Prabhupada was not a great Sanskrit scholar nor he was a great expert of different shastras. He had a great understanding of his sampradayic notions he followed, but he was no expert of overall Vedic philosophies. And his faith in fulfilling his guru's desire was commendable.
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language. Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English. Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma. To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact. For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram. Is this abrahamism? No. I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@apsnapsn4700 My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
@@krishna03778 Jaya Shri Rama 🙏, I understand your concern about using the word 'demigod' for Devas because it means Greek half-human half God . However, anyone who is part of ISKCON, never thinks of Devas like the Greek counterparts. Instead, they know Devas to be those living entities who are neither free from influence of time, nor are like humans. So why should we dwell on this issue if the intended meaning is understood? Srila Prabhupāda uses different word for Devas. This means that he was only trying to find the best English counterpart for the Saṇskṛta word. In his early work (Gītā), he uses demigod as his English-speaking disciples tell that this is the word closest to Deva in English. Later, he also uses the English word God & Saṅskṛta word Īśvara for them, for example in Shrimad Bhagwatam: “The Sanskrit word īśvara(controller) conveys the import of God, but the Supreme Person is called the parameśvara, or the supreme īśvara. The Supreme Person, or parameśvara, is the supreme conscious personality, and because He does not derive any power from any other source, He is supremely independent. In the Vedic literatures Brahmā is described as the supreme god or the head of all other gods like Indra, Candra and Varuṇa, but the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam confirms that even Brahmā is not independent as far as his power and knowledge are concerned.” So this 'demigod' controversy seems to be more of a misunderstanding. Hopes you understand the condition, the intent & the bhāva of Prabhupāda. Jaya Shri Ram 🙏
@@krishna03778 Jaya Shri Rama, My friend, I understand your concern about using the word 'demigod' for Devas because it means Greek half-human half God . However, anyone who is part of ISKCON, never thinks of Devas like the Greek counterparts. Instead, they know Devas to be those living entities who are neither free from influence of time, nor are like humans. So why should we dwell on this issue if the intended meaning is understood? Srila Prabhupāda uses different word for Devas. This means that he was only trying to find the best English counterpart for the Saṇskṛta word. In his early work (Gītā), he uses demigod as his English-speaking disciples tell that this is the word closest to Deva in English. Later, he also uses the English word God & Saṅskṛta word Īśvara for them, for example in Shrimad Bhagwatam: “The Sanskrit word īśvara(controller) conveys the import of God, but the Supreme Person is called the parameśvara, or the supreme īśvara. The Supreme Person, or parameśvara, is the supreme conscious personality, and because He does not derive any power from any other source, He is supremely independent. In the Vedic literatures Brahmā is described as the supreme god or the head of all other gods like Indra, Candra and Varuṇa, but the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam confirms that even Brahmā is not independent as far as his power and knowledge are concerned.” So this 'demigod' controversy seems to be more of a misunderstanding. Hopes you understand the condition, the intent & the bhāva of Prabhupāda. Jaya Shri Ram 🙏 Moreover bro why are you replying something else that isn't related to my question
The only reason i think why श्रीला प्रभुपाद did the wrong translation of the word 'dev' is because he wanted the western countries to follow gaudiya vaishnav sampradaya(iskcon) and those people didn't knew the difference between dev , bhagwan , parmatma, परब्रह्म and maybe at that time श्रीला प्रभुपाद was unable to find right words for dev, bhagwan, parmatma etc and now its stuck in the mind of foreign iskcon followers and even hindus who follow iskcon...
Even Indian are doing same , amogh lila Prabhu in one of his video said satyam shiv sundram is not dedicated to shivji ,it is for Krishna because Krishna is satyam shivam sundaram
Also wanted to clarify the meaning of demigod ...it was used in greek mythology/religion..when a god(greek) had an offspring with a human , that child was considered a demi god ""half god-half human"" Some people also consider the meaning as to be minor/inferior diety for example karna, arjun and other pandavs will be considered as demi gods as they are the children of hindu gods and kunti..
That means he was not an enlightened guy. Just another guy who wants his way to be followed. Maybe he wanted to woo the west for more funds and nothing spiritual.
@@Ram_The_Infinite For us Ram in Mahamantra is RadhikaRaman Krishna. Bhaktas of Ramchandra can take it as their dear Saaketbihari Shri Ram. What's wrong here?
This issue can be easily clarified by placing it within the appropriate context, which revolves around discerning between visnu-tattva and jiva-tattva, essentially addressing a matter of natural hierarchy. Referring directly to the Vedic shastras rather than relying on any Sanskrit dictionary with secular academic interpretations, we find support in the first verse of the fifth chapter of the Brahma Samhita, which states, "īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ anādir ādir govindaḥ sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam." The transcendental origins of everything is Svayam Bhagavan Shree Krishna. Similarly, the Bhagavata Purana 1.3.28 declares, "kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam", that He is the origin of all incarnations. For those well-versed in the Bhagavad-Gita, there can be no doubt that Krishna is One without a Second and that everything originates from Him, ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate. As vishnu-tattva, He is non-different from Rama, Baladeva, Narasimha, Laksmidevi, and all other innumerable transcendental forms of Svayam Bhagavan. All the material universes are populated by jiva-tattva - the infinitesimal living beings, equal to the Lord in quality, but not quantity, all having bodies composed of material elements, subject to creation and destruction. This includes the devas with one exception, Shiva, who has his own tattva, siva-tattva, which is like Vishnu just like yoghurt is like milk. So, among all these living jivas, some have the temporary bodies and names of "gods", though referred to as "demigods" to distinguish them as powerful jivas from the forms of Vishnu. Below the devas, or demigods, are the upadevas, or "sub-demigods," and so forth, for the duration of the universes. Understanding this context from shastras and the purpose of existence is paramount. In the Bhagavad-Gita, Lord Krishna states, "vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyo vedānta-kṛd veda-vid eva cāham," emphasizing that He has provided the Vedas to enable us to understand Him. Unfortunately, the creator of the referenced video has missed this central point, exemplifying what Bhagavan Shree Krishna refers to in the Bhagavad-Gita 7.15 as "māyayāpahṛta-jñānā".
The sacred teachings of the Vedic shastras should be accepted as they are, and not from word-wranglers and people envious of Vedic truth.@@Mekanishka0610
what it childish? you are child!! first learn abcd of scriptures and then comment on sampraday whose acaryas were great scholars and writters of thousands of books in sanskrit.
I am an ISKCON Devotee (or should I say I am trying to be one of the servants at ISKCON), and I am grateful for the clarification provided herein. Yes it may be true that 'Deva' does not literally mean demingod. But what I think also needs to be clarified here is the purpose of translating the Bhagavad Gita. A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami never posed himself as a Sanskrit Scholar (yet he managed to translate immense amount of Vedic literature but we are not discussing that here). He was a preacher and a trailblazer of the Bhakti Yoga, as he comes from the Bramha-Madhva-Gaudiya Sampradaya. His mission was to preach the message of Bhakti throughout the world as given by Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita, as I must mention, he was immensely successful opening 108 temples in mere 10 years and making thousands of people begin their journey on the path of Bhakti Yoga (considering his ripe old age of 70 and 2 heart attacks while on a cargo ship all alone). The Bhagavad Gita has been accepted by all Vaishnava Sampradayas and Acharyas as Bhakti-conclusive. The final instruction of Krishna is to become his devotee and surrender unto him. A.C Bhaktivedanta swami's attempt was to thus present the Gita as bhakti centric. He is seeing and presenting Bhakti, the heart of the Gita, throughout the gita. And isn't that also a symptom of pure devotion to the Supreme Lord Narayan? That is why I appreciate the fact that the presenter in the video has said, "from a Sanskrit Perspective." Yes, maybe from a Sanskrit perspective the translations may not be justified, but from the principle perspective, it is absolutely justified. Similar is the case with Madhvacharya's commentary. The vision of A.C Bhaktivedanta swami is not make sanskrit scholars, but make people simple pure hearted devotees of krishna. In a scripture known as Chaitanya Charitamrit, there is a story of a Brahmin, who is illiterate. This illiterate brahmin cannot even read, but is crying and weeping when he "reads" the Gita. Others laugh at him wondering how is he reading the Gita when he is illiterate? When the brahmin is confronted by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (incarnation of Krishna) he replies that as his guru ordered the brahmin to read, he is trying. Although illiterate, as soon as he opens the Gita, he sees Lord Krishna driving Arjuna's chariot and weeps in seperation from the lord. Mahaprabhu embraces him and replies, "You are reading Bhagavad-gītā in the true sense." The purpose of shastra is not to become an erudite scholar, it may be a side effect but certainly not the goal. As Adi Shankaracharya writes, "bhaja govindaḿ bhaja govindaḿ govindaḿ bhajamūḍhamate saḿprāpte sannihite kāle nahi nahi rakśati" Translation: Worship Govinda, Worship Govinda, Worship Govinda. Oh fool! Rules of Grammar will not save you at the time of your death All the knowledge, of grammar, logic etc, is understood to be used in service of Sriman Narayan, and A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami does exactly that! For which I think all Sanatanis must honour him! When our grandfathers decide to retire, that is the age when Swami ji embarked on a seemingly impossible mission....ALL ALONE! He started ISKCON, which has helped MILLLIONS during natural calamties and pandemics, IN ADDITION TO THEIR SPIRITUAL CARE. The reason I have mentioned all of this is because 90% of the viewers (many so called hindus) are suffering from lust (India is one of the top countries watching pornography), anger, greed, pride etc. (India's rank on happiness index is 146 EVEN BELOW PAKISTAN) and their so called love for Sanatan is limited to waving orange flags and simply posting, "#sanatani" on social media, but here is a man, called A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami, who has actually done something for Sanatan Dharma, and that ought to be honored by us. I have said all this because, so many innocent and genuine people will be misguided and perhaps even leave the bigger mission just on the accord of mere grammatical translation shifts, which by the way are not SO WRONG THAT IT WILL COMPLETELY TEAR APART THE MESSAGE OF THE GITA. Millions have read Gita As it is by Bhaktivedanata Swami and have become people leading a pious life, and that is what truly matters. Hare Krishna! Jai Srila Prabhupad! pls watch (ua-cam.com/video/gy1R7OHymMU/v-deo.html) and (ua-cam.com/video/05n9OditPgA/v-deo.html) and (ua-cam.com/video/pk0RF93jSyY/v-deo.html)
And he practiced what he preached. The philosophy of bhakti is to not overcomplicate yourself and rather just apply whatever you know in the service. Great comment!
द्वौ भूत-सर्गौ लोके 'स्मिन्, देवासुर एव च। विष्णु-भक्त: स्मृतो देव असुरस तद -विपर्यय :।। ( पद्म पुराण ) Reference from Padam Puram that how followers of Lord Vishnu are Deva and those who oppose Lord Vishnu are Asura.
In the Agni purāṇa (383.12) which is one amongst the Tāmasika-purāṇa it is said dvividho bhūtamārgīyaṁ daiva āsura eva ca | viṣṇubhaktiparo daivo viparītastathāsuraḥ ||
But when did Shiva's, Shakti's, Ganesha's, Surya Devta's devotees oppose Vishnu or Krishna? However, I have definitely watched videos in which your own ISKCON so-called gurus put Krishna over at a higher pedestal as compared to Vishnu-- nothing can be further from the truth! Hari Om Tat Sat 🕉️
Excellent topic and knowledge share. Thank you for putting into perspective that a GOD like Krishna is GOD for certain Sampradaya but that doesn’t make Shiva any less hence using word like Demi God doesn’t make sense.
Very well tackled - I have also had bad experiences with Hare Krishnas, who while purport to be Vaishnavites, have a rather disdain view of other schools within the Indian religious ecosystem. They militantly and vehemently oppose anything Advaitic. I do not even think Hare Krishna, as it is now, is even part of Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Basically, I feel, Hare Krishna best mimics a very Abrahamic system (like they are intolerant of other deities). Let's also put it out there, most Hare Krishna types do not even call themselves Hindu, deep within their circle, they call others 'Hindu' but not themselves... they might patronize you, but in their circles, they are quite conditioned on Krishna... ONLY Krishna. Others below and subservient to Krishna, is fine - but God forbid, sharing a platform and suggesting parity is heresy for them. Some ideas tend to further denigrate other deities rather explicitly. Whatever the case, some of these guys happily equate Krishna with Jesus or Yahweh... but have difficulty doing this with Shiva or some Indic equivalent. I am quite perplexed at some of their ideas, given their mastery of Sanskrit is also rather weak. I began some reading of the Bhagwat Gita As It Is - and found that it was NOT the Gita as it was... rather, a interpretation that appeared to tinge some aspects of the central tenet that is the Bhagwat Gita. Clearly some ideas contain the tinge that scholars might not find appropriate. And also - Hare Rama and Hare Krishna - they are Balram and Krishna, not Valmiki's Rama - they are centrally focused on the divine Yadav brothers! I find it funny how their 'Maha Mantra' is commonly understood to be an exercise of equivocating, especially when it is Balram and Krishna they are chanting of. Might I be forgiven to make this suggestion - I feel Hare Krishna movement to be more of a cult than a unifying Indian movement of global reform (given it has foreign, non Indian heritage adherents). I also feel the elevation of Chaitanya (one of Ikscons saints) to an avatar of Vishnu is... somewhat unorthodox and may not be acceptable in a proper Vaishnav school. It's just... too 'Christian'. Doctrine-wise... Ikscon is somewhat... 'cultist'. There was this person who literally laughed at 'Gyan Yoga'... let us please also address this: Saint Chaitanya WAS NOT an avatar of Vishnu... since there is no doctrinal support for this elevation as the other potential avatars are mentioned in other religious texts. This has to be challenged too.
Saint Chaitanya WAS an avatar of Vishnu, lord Ayyapan WAS an avatar of Vishnu all Vaishnav school believes in him but we don't know nor we care about the Tamsik Schools of Shaivites...
@@rameshverma4461 Just ask them if they believe or endorse the deity Ayyapan as an avatar. Their situation is similar to this Swami Narayan sect which has been establishing so many temples outside India. The primary deity is some Guru of theirs... it's like building a huge beautiful temple and then taking a big dump in the middle of it by establishing Ghanshyam Pandey as the central deity - or, in Ikscon's case, Chaitanya. I can believe these were teachers... but... divinity, nah... besides, any such claims need literary corroboration. Krishna/Ram et al. have wide discussions on their divinity across all schools and practice systems... the deified teachers, well, they are restricted to a single source and that, had it not been Hinduism's open embrace of new and vibrant ideas, would have been blasphemy in any other religious system. India is a weird place... you see new religious strains being born every day there... some gain traction to become new systems of worship, others... become full blown religions by themselves. Give Ikscon 100-200 more years, it will become a separate religion soon enough, given they have so many problems just aligning themselves within the Vedic pantheon. Personally, I feel the inclusion of other deities beyond those of the 33 Vedic deities on record, and others who claim to have manifestations from these 33 (such as avatars etc) are fine... anyone outside this system of 33 should be disregarded as being non systemic. What's the point of having 33 million Gods when you can't even properly worshipping a single one? If one is too open minded, the brains fall off... worse, it gets pulled out by others forcefully.
@@illuminatusdeus3051 If you ask the people of East, West or North India except South India, they will not have heard the name of Ayyappan nor do they know anything about him. If you talk about Balaji, then many will think that you are talking about Hanuman ji. Those who are devotees of Ayyappan do not believe that Ayyappan is the incarnation of Vishnu, so how can anyone else believe in him and as far as Vedas are concerned, the first thing is that they are not Vedas but Chaturveda and Hindus do not believe in those Vedas. Neither do we keep them in our house nor we read them this is a fact whether anyone accepts it or not even Swami Vivekananda has also said about those four Vedas that they contains verses created by the sages to praise and glorify their ISHTADEV through It is just a collection of verses composed for the sake of praise, not any divine knowledge.
@@rameshverma4461 Just stick to the 33 from the vedic pantheon and seek corroboration from other authoritative texts like the 10 Mukhya Upanishads. Furthermore, if you've actually have done some proper reading, you will see that the Ramayana and the Mahabharat retell a lot of these puranic texts (remember reading the birth of Skanda in the Valmiki Ramayana, Visvamitra retells it to Ram during their journey to rid Yakshini Tataka, who was cursed to be a man-eater by Sage Agastya (associated with Tamil)) - meaning, these sages had found them to be important and that forms a type of corroboration - and that is authoritative. I am not saying the Deity Ayyappan (all the reverence and respect from me) or some other deity (no matter worshipped in the North or the South, some dude told me he worships Hidamba in Himachal Pradesh, an Indian state) - this is not wrong, but her worship isn't something that's common (or general practice) - so do some deities of the South, like Aravana or even the Pandavas, I saw temples in South East Asia, Tamilian temples, which worship the Pandavas and Draupadi... which - well, is unique and lacks some type of major text corroboration. It is like Mr Nithyanand Mishra states in his names issue, new names are being invented without the basis of historical corroboration - this is also the case for deities and their worships in different parts of the world. You will be surprised how Thaipusam worship of Skanda has evolved in Malaysia and South East Asia, in general - is that authoritative? Nope. I am simply saying that get some type of reinforcement for your beliefs, there is a controversy surrounding Santoshi Mata and how she was introduced into the pantheon, receiving reinforcement through the movie... you will never find Santoshi Mata or, perhaps, Radha, Krishna's consort, in general texts of authority and they have gained so much traction. As I have indicated, open your mind too much and brains fall off, since there isn't a proper form of control over what is and what isn't part of the general corpus of belief systems that one defines as Hinduism (since Buddhism, at a time, was also 'part' of partial practice of shared beliefs at one time) - at the least be aware.
@@rameshverma4461 Which again, suggests that some of the practices which may not be Hindu. And then they start deifying some of these village / household deities and then it becomes general practice and leads to further disputes with the actual Vedic corpus. I do not need to tell everyone that some of these household deities or village deities, mind you (Isht Devas etc), are not general deities. Meaning -> you may well be worshipping someone's ancestor or some witch doctor in a remote Indian village who, for better or worse, may have been worshipped due to a disease or snake bites and what have you. Meaning... these can also be, in some cases, manifestations of Yakshas or some other rajas entity (or tamas). So, really, it's your preogative. I do not wish to, personally speaking, be beyond Vedic beliefs. In the case of Deity Ayappan (all the respect to the deity), there is a backstory that Shiva copulated with Vishnu in his mohini avatar and then the latter birthed the deity. Whatever your belief system, the tantric folks have a lot of this variety of beliefs and practices in their belief systems too, in my view, a lot of people in the North of India will have some reservations about this - since there is no corroboration of this narrative in their texts. What I am saying is, if there are no thresholds anywhere, we will see the sacred defined and all kinds of things being propagated. I recently did some reading on the tantra school (let's not even discuss Vamachar) - I have come to realize certain schools take so much liberty of the sacred and people just let them, which is so bizarre. Basically, I do not see associating regional deities with central vedic corpus for the elevation, given there is little traction of such deities beyond their primary areas of veneration anyway, but this does end of complicating the central tenets and ultimately the corruption of the centre which, probably, can do without any perceived denigration. I am all for celebration and normalization of sexuality... but the narrative, well, the less said the better. When you present a regional deity to me with that kind of backstory - I will simply ask you for corroboration. Obviously, with all due respect and reverence for the deities.
In Delhi Book fair few years back I picked up a small book on Shiva by ISCKON and to my surprise they called him evil. This belittling of others comes from a mindset to prove that Krishna is supreme. I hope new generation ISCKON people are not brought up with this hatred. They do great bhajans and monks are very nice and friendly.
There is no book calling Lord Shiva as evil. Show the exact quote. Lord Shiva is worshipped as topmost Vaishnava in Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition and ISKCON. Although I do agree calling Lord Shiva as demigod feels very offensive to many. But the main focus is to do Krishna bhakti and not to belittle others.
@@abhishektiwari1868 The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
@@pankajalochana7236 Srimad Bhagawatam Prabhupaad Translation : - .1.2.11 " Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān ""
Respected Nityananda Misra ji, Bhaktivedanta Swami's translation firstly is not a chaya anuvada (literal translation) its a bhava anuvada. Bhaktivedanta Swami was well aware of these dictionaries and kept them for his reference while translating the Bhagavad-Gita. He also has many other translations of other acaryas as well. But he purposefully chose the word demigod to make the point that Krishna is actually God (Bhagavan) which is what is being said in Bhagavad-Gita itself. "Sri Bhagavan uvaca ...etc.." He didn't want the literal translations to create a confusion in the western audience who are not even aware of the basic sanskrit terms or their meanings. In ISKCON we believe that Krishna is GOD. He is Supreme Lord. In Santana Dharma already people are confused with the conclusions of Bhagavad-Gita. And Sankaracarya parampara give altogether a different meaning for Bhagavan. They refer Brahmajyoti as Bhagavan. Srila Prabhupada was very emphatic in putting forth his conclusions. Especially with regard to the position of Krishna. 1. Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 2. All other devatas are subordinate to Krishna. He wanted that there should not be any sort of confusion in undertaking these 2 points. If deva is translated as God then we are putting Krishna on the same level as other devatas. Which is against our point. He purposefully put aside the sanskrit dictionary meanings which would otherwise create confusion in the readers wrt understanding the fundamental point that Krishna is the Supreme Lord or GOD. That is the reason Bhaktivedanta Swami's Bhagavad-Gita has become so popular especially in conveying the point that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and unalloyed devotion to Krishna is the purpose of life. Now you may not care for this!! The English language is defective in its own way and Bhaktivedanta swami had made best use of the defective English words without compromising the concepts that he wanted to present. This is not at all appropriate to tell that Bhaktivedanta Swami's translation is incorrect. You are demeaning a very great personality who had achieved unimaginable feats in the history of Sanatana Dharma wrt the preaching and the volume of impact he has done to the society. I would urge you to read the biography of Bhaktivedanta Swami and know more about him before making such comments that would spread negative views about ISKCON and Swami Prabhupada. 🙏🙏🙏
Who gave him the authority to translate as his wish . He is not a bhagvat prapt mahapurush. And when without bhagvat prapti preaching the lords name and bhakti is futile and lead to adharma like this
@@atanughosh2959 who are you to judge whether he got bhagavat prapthi or not? You are not even like an ant infront of the work and service he has done to the world. Simply envious folks!!! You all just keep arguing which is the right translation. By your arguments and videos nobody becomes a devotee of Krishna. Your discussions are like the empty husk. Only to glorify your egos. 😁
@@vkc7992 I m not envy of prabhupad . I m not a mahapurush or guru or a competitor of prabhupad so there is no reason for me to be jealous of him . But as a Hindu it is our duty to uphold the principles of sastra and truth . But tell me is prabhupad greater than lord Shiva or Krishna or ved vyas or shankaracharya or nimbarkacharya or Chaitanya mahaprabhu . What he translated contradicts all those mentioned above . No great acharya changed translation but explain it according to their sampradaya but Prabhupad is one of the (no words to say ) who changed the word of god to fullfill his adharmic agenda in the name of bhakti . As if God s word less important than his ideology. And he is a naam apradhi also .most of his works breaks the sanatan and vaidik maryada . He called lord Shiva rascal demigod inferior to haridas thakur he even call lord vishnu as demigod what a joke .
@@atanughosh2959 firstly you should read all Prabhupada books properly and scrutinizingly first. Then you will regret for all the words you are saying. You just are catching one point and not understanding the context. Although you are saying you are non envious you are definitely envious and it can be seen in the way you are addressing him.
@@vkc7992 look I m not catch a point I watched all the lectures and discoures given by iskcon's so called acharyas and brahmacharis and their philosophies . They only teach what prabhupad wrote and . Believe it or not I m not envious I'm ready to serve as a servent if anybody is a bhakt and follow the path of truth and the truth which is our Vedic sastras .
Thank you for bringing this up. First, Greek and Latin does not have the concept of one God. So, all its derivatives like English too cannot have an equivalent for one God. But we know that God is one. What then?? The only choice that a translator has is to assert a meaning or use the Sanskrit word as is. Coming to 'Demigod' word, it refers in English to partial entities to the 'Gods' who are actually not the one God but just living beings like Humans but who have Super human 'bodies'. The reference are the BG verses, 'ksheene punye martya lokam vishanti' meaning that when the credits are exhausted, the 'Gods' take birth with human bodies, Shocking!. What 'God' is this?. Also 'aabrahma bhuvanal lokah punaravartinah..'. meaning that this repeats on and on up and down. So Brahma is a normal living being and not the one God. So, in that sense, they are partial to the one God. That means, the 'Gods' themselves are partial to the one God and no better than humans, except Lord Shiva. Lord Shivas case is specially mentioned in another BBT publication the Brahma Samhita. Thus, in Latin and its derivatives, the so called 'Gods' are not the one God but partial to him. In other words, it is not an ISKCON mistranslation but the 'inadequacy' of the English language itself that has caused this dilemma. In order for the translator His Divine Grace Shri Abhaya Charanaravinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to 'overlook' that limitation, which requires a mind that is not enslaved by a foreign culture or language, such an 'improvisation' was the only way out. After all, if the language is itself inadequate but the subject matter is of such urgency in Kali Yuga, a 'True' Master paves his own way!. All the other 'great' translators mentioned here are scarcely known in the world while Swami Prabhupada is very well known only because of this power! Hare Krishna! 🙏🙏
Great response prabhu! No attempt has been made to understand the technical meaning of the word demi-god as used very consistently in all of the books of srila prabhupada. Nityanada ji's argument is like taking the concept momentum in physics and sitting and arguing about its meaning by english etymology. It is only a placeholder for a technical concept which is very consistently used inside physics and it is a useless endeavour to understand its meaning any other way. If there is an objection toward referring to Shiva or Brahma as demi-gods then the argument must be a shastric one and not a linguistic one but Nityanand ji's argument is neither here nor there.
@@blustingfiolex4695 What a dumb question. You lack basic understanding of epistemology. The burden of proof is on the person who claims something. I'm just questioning your claim.
I am so glad you took this up for discussion. The amount of damage ISKCON is doing in India in confusion people is sad to watch. Even swami Prabhupada did not intent this for India. I hope Indians wake up. Hare Krishna 🙏
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language. Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English. Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma. To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact. For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram. Is this abrahamism? No. I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@aditshukla To make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language you don't have to make fake translations😀.Never seen any sect in hindusim who aggressively push this idea that our god is the superior one.. like ISKcon .This is not good. How do a krishna bhakta feel If i say krishna is inferior to shiva because krishna prayed to lord shiva and did intence penence for six months in the himalayas to get the boon of a son{samba}.This story is written in mahabharata. But this is not the way to adress the story to a krishna bhakta. I would certainly avoid the word inferior in the conversation because it will only add up to dislike and hate..Thats where ISKON people are different.The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. bur no other vaishnavite use these kind of superior inferior vocabulary like demi god. The word demi gods itelf is problamatic. The kind of speeches these guys make on youtube based ona fake translation of orginal scriptures are unbelivable. calling people like shankaracharya pakhandi is one amoung many notorious acts of ISKON people. So don't try to justify ISKON. No other vaishnavite sect use these kind of words..
@@sree18697 Well said. Also, The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
@aarjukr The problem is in the Sanskrit language so we the Hindus never accepted it.....there is the Word Devta when Translated in English it becomes Demigod this proved Devta means degraded beings not God.
@@rameshverma4461 problem is not with sanskrit, its with ppl who dont understand that any translation/interpretation is affected by blind sight of bias and linguistic and translation capability of the individual… and thus still sticking/defending incorrect interpretation in the name of “respect” to their guru
Thank you for bringing this up. First, Greek and Latin does not have the concept of one God. So, all its derivatives like English too cannot have an equivalent for one God. But we know that God is one. What then?? The only choice that a translator has is to assert a meaning or use the Sanskrit word as is. Coming to 'Demigod' word, it refers in English to partial entities to the 'Gods' who are actually not the one God but just living beings like Humans but who have Super human 'bodies'. The reference are the BG verses, 'ksheene punye martya lokam vishanti' meaning that when the credits are exhausted, the 'Gods' take birth with human bodies, Shocking!. What 'God' is this?. Also 'aabrahma bhuvanal lokah punaravartinah..'. meaning that this repeats on and on up and down. So Brahma is a normal living being and not the one God. So, in that sense, they are partial to the one God. That means, the 'Gods' themselves are partial to the one God and no better than humans, except Lord Shiva. Lord Shivas case is specially mentioned in another BBT publication the Brahma Samhita. Thus, in Latin and its derivatives, the so called 'Gods' are not the one God but partial to him. In other words, it is not an ISKCON mistranslation but the 'inadequacy' of the English language itself that has caused this dilemma. In order for the translator His Divine Grace Shri Abhaya Charanaravinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to 'overlook' that limitation, which requires a mind that is not enslaved by a foreign culture or language, such an 'improvisation' was the only way out. After all, if the language is itself inadequate but the subject matter is of such urgency in Kali Yuga, a 'True' Master paves his own way!. All the other 'great' translators mentioned here are scarcely known in the world while Swami Prabhupada is very well known only because of this power! Hare Krishna! 🙏🙏
@@arjunkrishnadas I don’t want to get into a debate but there are many gaps in your explanation/answer. If the very inadequacy of the language that you have agreed to is clear to the translator then all translations should have asterisks, but there are none. Instead, the captain used “As it is” is used which adds to that. Yes there are people who can see through and and discern and still understand what in these translations is fluff and what to ignore if that is the only source one is reading from. But most masses are not, and hence all the useless debates about “which form of the supreme lord is greatest”. And all the labels of “agenda” are thrown in. As far as the sources quoting one form as superior than other, in diff purana, diff forms are primary, so one has to go to the roots for the truth, which are veda and upnishad. Purana are for developing bhakti towards ones ishtdeva, they batter not be used for gyaan so to speak, for that upnishad are supreme. And according to them, brahm is the ultimate reality, and appears in various worshipped forms. (एकम् सत् विप्र बहुधा वदंती). Shakti, Shiva, Krishna, being those forms, how can one be superior to other? Hare Krishna, Namah Shivaay 🙏
Nityanand ji actually i am born ans brought up in Iskcon and i know that there are thousands of times that the word "demigod" is used but believe me thats not done with an intention of insulting any devtas. If you actually hear Srila Prabhupada's english lectures you will find that Srila Prabhupada is not so perfect in english. He is translating like that because thats what he is aware of. No bad intentions but. Even Iskcon devotees know that in sanskrit it would mean different and hence they take it generally not specifically. Actually if we see in Sanskrit there are terms like "ishwar"(controller), Bhagvan (one with 6 opulences) but english wont have such specific category so he although unintentionally generalized it and put devtas as demigods (inferior category) and bhagvan as Supreme Personality of Godhead. In English it would be just God even for ishwar and God even for Bhagvan. One also has to see the context why he did that. Thats why i say you will have to personally talk to iskcon devotees and not depend on what they say on UA-cam or write on emails or books. I also agree that it creates a confusion amongst people when speaking in public platform but we should know thay Srila Prabhupada's audience was majorly hippies and english people of 1970s who had zero idea of dharma. Srila Prabhupada created a good platform for them and he also told his disciples to learn Sanskrit and make things accurate where needed. Ofcourse we cant change what he has written but we can atleast make people understand his intentions. Also since you showed the meaning of demigods as offspring of God, from this perspective also there is no harm in calling all devtas as demigods because indeed they are offsprings of Narayan. In his Vishnu sahasra nam bhashya Sripad Adishankaracharya comments of the term "Keshava" from whom Lord Brahma, Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu have come, thus hinting at Lord Krsna being the cause of their existence. The same meaning of Keshava is also there in Mahabharat. Didn't Lord Krsna say in Bhagvad Gita that He is the source of all and everything has emanated from Him- "aham sarvasya prabhavo"? I believe you could have atleast mentioned that his intentions were certainly not negative and it was primarily for his English audience. But you didn't acknowledge what he did for the whole world, on the contrary you just pointed out his technical mistakes which everyone agrees but atleast we all agree that what he did its nearly impossible for anyone to do at such a ripe age and in such a short span of time. Infact he was so dedicated to carry out his guru's orders that even in his last days he was hardly able to speak yet was seen translating the last two cantos of Srimad Bhagavatam. Hardly people know what he did. Everyone wants to simply correct the great acharyas and not see their vision. Hare Krishna
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
@@kumarakantirava429 this is not contradicting our one pointed worship to Lord Krishna so we accept that statement without any interpretation. For this is also given in Bhagvad Gita that ultimately all paths lead to Krsna only. Now the point is how they lead. If you wish to go on 10th floor of a building ofcourse there are various ways to reach, one is by lift and the other by stairs. The point here is that why would one unnecessarily use stairs to reach when the lift is available. That is not an insult to the stair process. It's just in order to save time and energy one uses lift. We Gaudiya Vaishnavas have never denied such statements, but we are very clear to point out the best way. Dsnt Lord Krsna Himself state in Bhagvad Gita that the worshipers of various Gods also ultimately worship Him but they do so "avidhipurvakam" (in a wrong way). Also He says that after many many births one comes to the point that Vasudev is all in all or all that exists. Again the thing to be understood is that one is Bhagvan and other are his manifestations. Worshipping manifestations is definitely great so imagine how great it must be in worshipping the direct form of Bhagvan. We have to understand all the statements of all the scriptures in general where required and specifically also where required. Infact the entire Vedic canon focusses on Lord Hari. That's what is even confirmed again in Bhagavad Gita where in Krsna says "vedaish cha sarvair aham Eva vedyo" - It is Me who is to be known through the Vedas. So the shloka that you pointed out is not rejected by us. We wholeheartedly accept it.
@@space.ved108 Where is that Krishna in Vedas & upanishads ?? Bhagwqad Gita is a scripture written for Sudras ( the Duds ! ). If the book written for raascaals is your reference point, God save this world from Duds !!
@@agniswar3 @agniswar3 may the Government of India give you special scholarship to help you study veda vyasa properly. because, the author of Mahabharata ( gita ) himself says that he wrote it for the sudras - the idle talkers.
Shri Ramcharit Manas Lanka Kand. Shri Ramchandra said:- _सिव द्रोही मम भगत कहावा। सो नर सपनेहुँ मोहि न पावा॥_ _संकर बिमुख भगति चह मोरी। सो नारकी मूढ़ मति थोरी॥_ “The person who is hostile to Shiva and Calls himself my devotee he cannot attain me even in his dreams. The one who wants my devotion by turning away from Shankara, is hell-bound, foolish and short-witted.”
Sorry Sir! There are certainly non translatables in Sanskrit and देवता is one of them. No English word can define देव in one word. Prabhupad's translation may not be perfect but his intent was to transform the society. Regarding position of Lord Shiva and other devtas, a sampradaya has right to present is view based on shastra. It is not just Bhakti Vedanta Swami Prabhupada. Go read Brihad Bhagavatamrita written by Sanatan Goswami. He has given quotations for the view of all the Gaudiya Vaishnavas. Here is a quotation from Kulashekhar Alwar from his Mukund Mala stotra from Ramanuj Sampraday. pṛthvī-reṇur aṇuḥ payāḿsi kaṇikāḥ phalguḥ sphulińgo laghus tejo niḥśvasanaḿ marut tanutaraḿ randhraḿ su-sūkṣmaḿ nabhaḥ kṣudrā rudra-pitāmaha-prabhṛtayaḥ kiṭāḥ samastāḥ surā dṛṣṭe yatra sa tārako vijayate śrī-pāda-dhūli-kaṇāḥ He says for a devotee once Sri Vishnu is seen suras or devtas become like insect, rudra and Brahma look insignificant.. Well certainly Kulashekhar Alwar did not disrespect the devtas here but it is his nishtha towards Mukunda.
So according to you guys lord shiva is not worth worshipping?? If someone worships God other than Vishnu or Krishna does he or she go to hell as per your ideology?? Kindly present a Non Sectarian answer. And as far as I know Gaudiya Vaishnavs and ISKCON both don't regard Radharani as much as Krishna. They just show her only as a servant of Krishna while there are many stories as how Krishna himself serves the lotus Feet of Radharani. Apparently they disregard each and evey form of Shakti to be subservient to Purusha only!
@@Mekanishka0610who said that? No iskcon devotees will say such things. It's just that he is quoting from works of Sri Sampradaya also. That is done to substantiate the point that every sampradaya promotes their sidhant so what is wrong in that? Isn't it written in Shaiva literatures that Lord Vishnu is a jeeva?
@@space.ved108 That's also wrong. And at the same time Shaiva Puranas like Skanda Puran Glorify Lord Vishnu too. The jeevatma thing is only in Pashupata agama which is highly condemned in Devi Bhagwatam along with some more sectarian agamas.
@@Mekanishka0610 yes agreed but no one can deny that such things are mentioned when faith in one's deity is meant to increase. Such comparisons are not insulting but with a purpose that ordinary people should be educated in those respective knowledges. So is Srila Prabhupada doing. That's what I meant.
@@Mekanishka0610 you can translate word deva in latin it bacame deos as both are from same language family wich still use in catholic prayers in vatican so deva mean god
Keno upanishad के 3.1 मे क्या लिखा है नित्यानंद ji। ब्रह्म ह देवेभ्यो विजिग्ये तस्य ह ब्रह्मणो विजये देवा अमहीयन्त। त ऐक्शन्तास्माकमेवायं विजयोऽस्माकमेवायं महिमेति ॥ 😊😊यहाँ देव स्वर्ग के देवताओं के लिए ही लिखा है। 🎉🎉🎉🎉और swetaswatar उपनिषद me जो ये मंत्र मे देव आया है वो परब्रह्म ke लिए है। 😊😊😊😊😊😊 😮एको देवः सर्वभूतेषु गूढः सर्वव्यापी सर्वभूतान्तरात्मा। कर्माध्यक्षः सर्वभूताधिवासः साक्षी चेता केवलो निर्गुणश्च॥ 🎉🎉🎉अब आप क्या कहोगे इस पर। वेद की गूढ़ भाषा को कोई सिर्फ संस्कृत व्याकरण और किताबे पढ़ कर नहीं समझ सकता।
@@HinduPhoenix When Lord Vishnu turned Himself into a beautiful dancer did He have to change back for the Devatas? No, the Devatas were smart and literate and the Asuras were completely enamoured. For Asurasammohanaya if Lord Vishnu who is a Paramapurusha becomes a female dancer do you think you have the right to question Him why did He not use some other sammohana strategy. Don't be an idiot and an illiterate like the Asuras. Just drink the Amrit and shut up if you can see through it.
@@Kalesh_enjoyer You people tactfully convert the Devotees of Shiva and Shakti to Vaishnavism by forcing them to worship Krishna. Of course Krishna is supreme in his own way but don't force the believers of deities other than Krishna to worship him. He doesn't demand forceful bhakti like you people preach.
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
in the rigved samhita first translated by h.h wilson and then revised by ravi prakash arya and k.l joshi, they mention that the first meaning of devas in the ancient publications meant scholars. directly saying that devta meant scholars. what would you comment on it?
Iskon is not sanatan. They have created a new religion of their own by borrowing our Hari so that they may gain his unsuspecting followers. Sanatan has a tradition of guru, sadhu, rishi, muni, maharishi, acharya etc. Where did sanatan ever have titles like "his holiness"? Like typical corporate people, they have given themselves some very fancy titles, borrowed our Gita and turned their newly created religion into an abrahamic like monotheistic affair. I saw some videos where they said Hari does not want us to take the name of any other God or Goddess. Since when did Hari become so insecure?
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
@@aditshukla Every aspect is a distortion of Sanatan, as aptly demonstrated in this video. To claim that Shiva is a demigod and a follower of Krishna is somehow even remotely comparable to him is absurdity of highest order.
@@NoNonsense_01 That Shri Hari is ParamBhagvan and Shiv, Brahma aadi are anydevta, is an ancient siddhant, present throughout Bharat. Welcome. *You can choose to differ from this, thats alright, nothing wrong with that, but to pretend that this concept is something new, that it did not exist before and is some concoction, is childish.* Vaishnav paramparas have existed since forever. This gentleman himself is a shishya of Pujya Rambhadracharya Maharaj ji, who comes in the line of Jagadguru Raamaanand Acharya ji, of Shri Sampraday branch which holds Shri RamChandra as Sarveshvar, Sarvaavatari and all other devas as dependent on Him.
@@aditshukla I not going to chase your pointless red herring. As shown in the video, ISKON deliberately distorts translation of basic Sanskrit words to fool gullible people. Their English translation of Gita is undoubtedly the worst! Nobody argues that Shiva is a demigod. There may be disagreement between who is the superior deity, but that has nothing to do with whether they are gods in the first place.
Yes I am following iskcon, but it's hurted me many times when I listed lord Shiva,maa Parvati as demigods from preachers from Iskcon.. Hare Krishna hare Krishna Krishna Krishna hare hare hare Ram hare Ram Ram Ram Hare hare.🕉️💦🙏🏼🪷 ॐ नमः शिवाय ॐ 🕉️🙏🏼🪷🔱
@@Pain53924 yeah their is The 5000 year old Ancient Dwarika under the Sea the 5000 year old Jarasandh's Fort of the Mahabharata period in Rajgir but their is no Evidence Of Buddha ever visited India nor the evidence of his Country KAPILVASTU and their is no Evidence Of Jesus nor any one knows when he was born but history is decided by his birth.
@@rameshverma4461 city under water doesnt mean god existed. Remember extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If i accept what you're claiming then i'll also have to accept that allah exists because kaaba exists.
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
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🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *📚 The term "demigod" in Sanātana Dharma lacks an equivalent in Sanskrit scriptures, differing interpretations exist.* 01:10 *📖 Sanskrit word "deva" and "Sur" are often translated as "demigods," but debate exists on whether they should be translated as "Gods."* 02:06 *💬 Interpretations of texts like the Bhagavad Gita vary, some translations use "demigods" while others use "Gods" for "deva" and "Sur".* 03:09 *🌟 Some interpretations suggest a hierarchical view among celestial beings, with demigods like Shiva depicted as subservient to devotees of Krishna.* 04:07 *📜 Rituals mentioned in Vedas direct worship towards specific demigods, indicating a belief in their existence and relevance.* 05:00 *🔍 Scriptures categorize demigods into primal and administrative, with Vishnu as chief of the primal demigods and Indra as chief of the administrative.* 07:23 *📚 Various translations of Sanskrit texts differ in translating terms like "demigods," adding complexity to their interpretation.* 10:19 *📚 Sanskrit dictionaries translate "deva" and "Sur" as "Gods" or "Celestial deities," not as "demigods."* 13:34 *📚 Sanskrit provides terms like "Upadeva," "upadevta," "dev-yoni," and "Aadha-deva" for demigods, distinct from "deva" and "Sur."* 16:28 *🎓 Use of "demigod" for terms like "daa" and "Sur" lacks support from Sanskrit dictionaries, causing confusion in interpretation.* Made with HARPA AI
Which version of the Bhagavad Gita should I read? There are many editions published by different organizations. Is there a particular Shrimad Bhagavad Gita that is considered the most accurate and true?
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language. Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English. Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma. To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact. For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram. Is this abrahamism? No. I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@rameshverma4461 The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
Prabhupāda: The demigods means they are highly advanced than these human beings. They are also living entities like us, but their duration of life, their standard of life, their civilization, spiritual knowledge, so advanced that they are called demigods. Almost God. They are so advanced. Demigods means almost God. They have got all godly qualities, and they are controller of the atmospheric affairs. Some of them are controlling rainy season; some of them controlling heat; some... The idea is krishna or vishnu is god , supreme above all and others are demigod. Devata are translated as demi-god which is not acurate , as we all know. cuz the idea of demigod is like compition to real god , but prabhupada didn't use word for so. For all vaishnav devatas are the servent of lord hari. Demi gods are respectable. द्वौ भूत-सर्गौ लोके 'स्मिन्, देवासुर एव च। विष्णु-भक्त: स्मृतो देव असुरस तद -विपर्यय :।। ( पद्म पुराण )
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language. Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English. Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma. To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact. For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram. Is this abrahamism? No. I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@hariharaissame Hari and Hara are not the same Hari is the Supreme God and Hara is the son of Brahma...who married his younger brother Daksha's daughter....Devi Sati
Most awaited topic Nityanandji m very thankful and grateful🙏 to you for bringing this fraud of iskon, baps and their likes, younger generation are swayed by them as something hindu but these organisations are involved in soft evangelical activities
Let's focus on devotion rather than arguing about who is supreme. True devotion is based on genuine love and reverence for Lord Shiva or Krishna, regardless of whether they are considered gods. Let's strive to love them beyond debates.
Iskon version of Bhagvadgeeta is not good. They should have used certain sanskrit words without translation in to English. Like Dharma, Bhagawan, Devas, etc
This"not good" Bhagavad Gita is being distributed in millions and is making thousands come to Sanatana Dharma. On the contrary you or Nityananda are not doing anything
Iskcon वाले नहीं सुधरेंगे. Lord का सही अनुवाद "मालिक" होता हैं. Demigod का अर्थ A half God or Inferior God होता है और एक बहुत ही गंदा अर्थ होता हैं Demigod का। ये एक Poison Pill 💀💀💀💀 है word "Demigod". "मालिक (Lord) " अब्राहमिक God को कहते हैं, हमारे भगवान्, हमारे देवता है, मालिक नहीं।
@poojagupta2588 क्या मूर्खता है भगवान् देवता नहीं होते वैसे भगवद गीता एक मात्र ग्रन्थ है जिसकी व्याख्या करीब करीब भारत के सभी महान विद्वान लोगो ने की है Gandhi ,लाला लाजपत राय , राजेंद्र प्रसाद ,विवेकानंद आदि इसके आलावा Paigambar दयानंद के द्वारा स्थापित नव वैदिक कल्ट के आर्य नमाज़ी भी इसका 6 translation किये है एक बार सबके English Translation को पढ़ ले की देवता का अंग्रज़ी अनुवाद वे क्या किये है ya google kar le और haan एक बात aur hamare वैषणव धर्म में हम अपने भगवान् को अपना मालिक बोले या क्या बोले ये विधर्मी हमे नहीं बताएँगे
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language. Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English. Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma. To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact. For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram. Is this abrahamism? No. I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@rameshverma4461 भगवान् विष्णु को परमपिता परमात्मा ही कहते हैं ना? अब्राहमिक रिलीजन में Creator and Creature is separate from each other. They are different. They are not one in Monotheism. Dualism . हमारे धर्म में Aatma (आत्मा) is not separate from paramaatma (परमात्मा). Aatma (आत्मा) is inseparable from paramaatma (परमात्मा) "Oneness with Brahman (ब्रह्म)" "Non Dualism".
@@agniswar3अब्राहमिक रिलीजन के अनुयायियों का (Followers का) मानना है कि " सबका मालिक (Lord) एक ". क्योंकि उनका मालिक सच में एक है बाकी सारे लोग उस मालिक (Lord) के गुलाम (Slave) है। अगर श्री कृष्ण Lord यानी कि मालिक है, तो बाकी सारे देवी - देवता उस मालिक (Lord) के क्या गुलाम (Slave) है? Iskcon वालो के नजर में। अब्राहमिक रिलीजन वालों का तो सिर्फ एक God होता है। इसलिए वो लोग " सबका मालिक एक " कहते रहते हैं, लेकिन हमारे तो बहुत सारे देवी - देवता हैं। और हमें सबका सम्मान भी करना होता है। मुझे ज्यादा Problem "Demigod " शब्द से है और जब देखो, तब Iskcon वाले इसी "Demigod" शब्द का प्रयोग करते रहते है, श्री कृष्ण को सारे देवी - देवताओं से Superior दिखाने के लिए।
To those decrying ISKCON or it's translation... some in the comment section have even dared to go to an extent of saying no 1 takes ISKCON English translated Bhagwat Gita seriously... to them I would like to say you do not belong to any desciplic succession of any 1 of the 4 primary bonafide school of Vedanta because if you did you wouldn't say such nonsensical things. Now For the 1st time I have found Shri Nityananda Mishra ji's understanding and translation both incorrect. Infact the Rig Ved sukta you read substantiated ISKCON stand no matter how Indian translators may have translated it. For Devas can be best translated as Demi Gods in English and there are numerous reasons for doing so. The most essentially ingredient of translation 1 cannot forget or completely overlook is the fact there is no concept of English equivalent of the Dharmic understanding of Devas. The word God in English or in the Christian west means the Supreme. Only the Supreme is called God. If Devas is translated as God in English the purport of Shrimad Bhagwat Gita itself will be lost in English language and to the Western audience. Indra, Bramha and Shiva aren't or the rest of others besides ofcourse Bhagwan Krishna/ Vishnu / Narayana is the Supreme Absolute Truth and the Supreme Personality of Godhead as conveyed in Shrimad Bhagwat Gita so for right context and explanation of the Shrimad Bhagwat Gita, the others have to be called as Demi God in English for English context because the God in Shrimad Bhagwat Gita is only Bhagwan Krishna. Period! Just because you know the language, Sanskrit, Nityanand ji doesn't make you an expert on any Sanatan Vedic Grantha. It makes you no more an expert on the subject than an English professor is of Chemistry or Physics or Rocker Science even if the subjects maybe explained in the book in English yet an English professor would be completely out of his depth to be able to explain any of the concepts of Chemistry or physics or rocket science... why because the English professor completely lacks the required domain knowledge... just like you do. When you translate any Granth in a language you have to translate it in such a way that you are able to convey the purport of ( e.g. here) of Srimad Bhagwat Gita without any compromise but also in a way that makes perfect sense to the English western audience in their civilizational context. Not translating Devas as God is essential to proper translation and explanation of Shrimad Bhagwat Gita. Otherwise if there are so many Gods, which means everyone is Supreme... is a completely wrong interpretation of all and any Sanatan Vedic Grantha. This is why it is crucial to under go a proper disciplic succession from 1 of the 4 bonafide Sampradaya of Vedantic school of thought... English translation of the word Sampradaya. Your knowledge on the subject is clearly toe deep. Also those who translated Devas as God either don't know the meaning of God and what the Word represents in the English / Western Christian template or were simply lacking proper understanding of Shrimad Bhagwat Gita if you ask me the former would most likely be the case . I wish Nityanand ji you had read the commentary of Madhava or Ramanuja or Nimbarka, the 6 Goswami's of Vrindavan or Shri Baladevan Vidyabhushan transliteration work on Shrimad Bhagwat Gita before dashing out such unfounded and vile comments on ISKCON's Shrimad Bhagwat Gita. I am stunned to see such puerile comments coming from someone like you & I say this without any intent to patronize. To those who object to ISKCON... pls know this ISKCON totally belongs to Bramha Madhav Gaudiya Sampradaya 1 of the original 4 Vedantic School of thoughts and authorities on the subject of Sanatan Vedic Dharma as per shastras. So when you comment on it 1st gain the prerequisite domain knowledge of things. These 4 Sampradaya as per Shastras are the only bonafide authorities of Sanatan Vedic Dharma. You can challange A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada but 1st go gain some domain knowledge on the subjects. Ye original core understanding of Sanatan Vedic Grantha hai as conveyed by Maharishi Vyas. Baki kya kisne perd ker samjha or kya serial dekha cannot be called bonafide or authoritative. Tc
Agree 100%! Superb response. Word translations are a by-product of translating the meaning of the book and not vice-versa. Without understanding the essential purport of the book what use are your word-translations. What use is an english dictionary to a student of chemistry or rocket science as you have pointed out.
No it's not wrong because everyone is supreme, as premanand ji maharaj once said that Durga ji is the 1/1000th part of Shrimati Radha. Then Devi bhakts got a little upset so he said for everyone who believes in Devi, Devi is supreme and at the top and no other god or goddess is near to them. Similarly one who believes in lord Shiv, for them Lord Shiva is the supreme more than Vishnu, Ram, Krishna. Because in the Shiv Puran it says Shiva is supreme, in Bhagvatam Krishna is supreme and in Devi Bhagwat Devi is supreme. So does that mean there is a confusion? No, not at all this is the beauty of our Sanatan Dharma that it respects everyone's choices, for those who believe in Krishna, for them Krishna is supreme, for those who believe in Adi Shakti she is supreme and same for Bhagwan Shiv. There is no one 'greater' 'stronger', these discussions are so stupid and it looks like kids are fighting over Captain America and Iron Man. I was shocked to listen to ISKCON's explanation of why Krishna is supreme. Shiv ji meditates on Shri Vishnu, Shri Vishnu meditates on Shiv Ji, it's just a Leela to show us that everyone out different roops of the one Brahman. In Shiv Puran it is said that Shiv Ji gave the Sudarshan chakra to Vishnu but there is a whole different story in Vishnu Puran that is to provide different situations for bhaktas, by this Shiv Bhaktas can understand Shiv is supreme and Hari Bhaktas can understand Vishnu is supreme. There is no fight going on between them, I see real kaliyuga when I see people fighting with each other over the supremacy of Shiva and Vishnu. In the Garuda Puran it's written that if a Hari Bhakta practices rituals, jaap, good karma but if he disrespect Shiv Ji, they will have to face the consequences in nark and same for Shiva devotees who disrespect Hari. Come on, in the Devi Bhagwat it says Vishnu meditates on Durga Ji all the time. This is the Leela of the bhagwan, he respects the feelings of every Bhakta. Stop fighting!
Like aatma word is used for both jeevaatma and parmatma in different places in ved upanishads. Similarly Dev word is used for demigods and God. But in realty there is only God and all are his menifestations. There are both type of verses in ved upanishads. एको देवः सर्वभूतेषु गूढः सर्वव्यापी सर्वभूतान्तरात्मा। कर्माध्यक्षः सर्वभूताधिवासः साक्षी चेता केवलो निर्गुणश्च॥ Like here dev is used for parbrahm . 🎉for a ordinary person with 3 virtues of maya it is impossible to translate the ved mantras in their correct sense. We should only depend on the writings of God realized personalities sants. Ved says there is only brahm which is sanatan. Ved also says there is jeev and brahm and both are sanatan अज. वेद also says there are ब्रह्म jeev maya. All three are अज अज अजा.....all are सनातन. 🎉🎉sabhi sahi हैं aur इसी कारण ऐक vedant darshan पर इतने अलग अलग व्याख्यान है जो सभी सही है। 🎉समझाने का तरीका बस अलग अलग है बस भगवान में मन लगना चाहिए। ॐॐॐ
@@Ram_The_Infinite The Commentary on The 62nd Verse of Chapter 2 of Bhagwad Gita of Iskcon insults Lord Shiva and Maa Parvati. I was heavily offended when i saw that portion!
Videos of Mishraji are usually informative except few like this. He could not give any good eng word for devta. Hinduism is seen polytheistic religion because wrongly deva are considered as The God. Its like using official word for President to Peon. Logic of Upadevta, ardhadevta etc is like saying there are post of deputy officer, junior officer etc so Manager should be translated as CEO. Command of subject one doesn't get by getting book and dictionary. Mishraji is good in literature that doesn't mean he will become expert of all vedic subjects. Just like knowing English and getting a medicine book doesn't make one a doctor. I see translations are genius work of Prabhupada. Demigod is such a good word for devas. Just lesser God. Super. What more better word can anyone suggest for devtas?
@user-ge9nk5sj6m Nope they are Doing what Krishna taught them about himself in the Bhagavad Gita - THE Light of TRUTH and They are spreading the light of truth everywhere....LONG LIVE ISCKON 🚩🚩🚩LONG LIVE PRABHUPADA -THE GREAT VAISHNAV SAINT🚩🚩🚩
No ofcourse not. I can sense enough vakti in iskcon... It's only a translation problem. At early age of Hinduism in west. And as a devotee of the bhagawan you should never ever mock one's Bhakti
@@rameshverma4461 My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
Temples are increasing, devotees are increasing, books are increasing, so called Hindus are leaving Pooja, going to temple, reading Bhagavad Geeta etc. Wake up and give up arrogance and read Bhagavad Geeta
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
ISKCON is like a curse for Sanatan Dharma, as it attempts to change its fundamental principles and seems to be succeeding in today's time. This is very distressing.
iskCON is abrahamising Sanatana Dharma in missionary mode to make it palatable to their western converts. It would be much appreciated if Nityananda Mishra Ji were to do an exhaustive critique of their ideology, showcasing flaws in their understanding and particularly pointing out the interpolations, liberties taken in translation of sacred vedic texts (most important being Bhagwd Gita, Bhagwat Purana) in English. Sadly the English medium educatied youth often turns to their english publications and gets indoctrinated.
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language. Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English. Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma. To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact. For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram. Is this abrahamism? No. I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@aditshukla Any parampara creating schisms by going against and slandering the Shruti (Vedas) itself by demoting and denigrating the holy trinity which are but 3 aspects of the essential 1 Parabrahman must be condemned, refuted unequivocally. It's absolutely unacceptable to fit Shiva in their cosmo-theological scheme of things as a Demi God who is actually not particularly regarded. Sure there will be differences in lineages of the various acharyas even within Vaishnavism. But there should be no tolerance for sectarian chauvinism even if one ardently taken to a particular darshan, lineage. The special case of iskCON is not comparable to examples given by you. Perhaps you are unaware of the kind of people both within India and abroad who massively funding the proselytization activities of iskCON particularly targeting the youth and demographic effects this will have on the very perpetuation of the Hindu community itself what to say of the plurality of sects within the Sanatana fold. It is very evident for anyone who has gone to Mayapur and seen the Orthodox Christian temple architecture itself let alone activities and the kind crowd there that the organisation is very much modelled along the missionaries of the Christian Church. Compare glitzy highly commercial iskCON with restaurants and shops to the original humble Gaudiya Math in its Spiritual purity. I myself have almost all of iskCON's publications related to our core scriptures be it the Vedas, Upanishads and Puranas. I'm not aware if you have read, studied under guidance of a Guru, attending Bhagvath Saptah etc. the pinnacle of Vyasa's writings - Srimad Bhagvat Puran. This comes in an exhaustive 18 encyclopedic book set from iskcon and compared it with say MLBD or other indology focussed publications to note the significant departures in word by word meaning followed by interpretation. There was a time when invaders used to poison the wells to ethnically cleansed the natives, today they poison the stories. The Hinduphobic urban naxxxals now have been cleverly targeting Hindus by promoting their own warped understanding of Sanatana Dharma be it through Ivy League Professor authored books or having a Devdutt Pattnaik type Pharma sales and marketing Rep's turned "mythologist" running their own narrative. As if it wasn't enough to change the civilizational history of Hindus now even their beliefs are being subtly and cunningly changed by anyone and everyone who on basis of academic or financial credentials can get published in the mainstream. Bottomline is Spirituality is about actual experience and not arm chair intellectual entertainment. If one must read spiritual books then one should always have a critical thinking mind and skepticism for anything written or said by anyone who is not a truly Brahmanishtha commentator like for example the rare Bhagwan Ramana Maharshi or Swami Shivananda who can't be compared with Max Muller and the like.
@@rameshverma4461 True be it Yazidi's (Ya Siddhi's) of Syria, converted Christians of Armenia to the Danish people of Scandinavia to people of Arctic as per Tilak and not forget the Romani gypsy people now scattered all over the world they have Sanatana roots. Interestingly chosen people of the God of Abraham (Brahma?) and his consort Sarah (Saras-wati?) have a Jewish temple in Pushkar of all places. For Zoroastrians the Dieva's are the evil ones while the Ahura's (S replaced with H) are divine. Sadguru has found ancient consecrated Shiva Linga's in Turkey to Greece. Whatever be the case this civilizational memory has been systematically erased by Islamists and Christian missionaries the world over.
@@PrachandParshuram The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
Oh my God.. What kind of exercise are been offering. It's a disruptive kind.. We all respect all the humanly efforts given for the needful by the people presenting this knowledge.. But can todays young generation who are very practical and having scientific knowledge and evidence on science books.. Do they believe such explanations. Spread Love.. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna❤
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
Well ,i think its may be just translation inaccuracies ...... As a non-isconite it do not feels like a deliberate attempt to create false narration !!!! Iskon walo ne dusre Bhagwan ke liye koi upshbd to nahi kahe h aj tak??? intention to galat nahi lagti but yes given the stature of the organisation ,steps for responsible tranlation must be taken ....after all it is the about our "sanatan dharma"❤
1. Srimad Bhagawatam Prabhupaad Translation : - .1.2.11 " Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān "" 2. The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play.
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
@@kumarakantirava429 no no ,its not waste of time ,i read yr complete comment , yr criticism is worth pondering for both iskonites & noniskonites .......... 😇
Shudra is derived from the words shuk (sorrow) and dra (melt). One who melts at other's sorrows is a Shudra. It is a basic quality for every human being, as said by Sri Madhvāchārya. Due to this quality, the people of the fourth varna are also called so, since they provide service to society, which requires Shudratva.
द्वौ भूत-सर्गौ लोके ऽस्मिन् दैव आसुर एव च विष्णु-भक्तः स्मृतो दैव आसुरस् तद्-विपर्ययः पाठान्तर द्विविधो भूतमार्गोयं दैव आसुर एव च | विष्णुभक्तिपरो दैवो विपरीतस्तथासुरः || ~ Caitanya Caritāmṛta Ādi 3.91 [अग्नि-पुराण ३८३.१२ ] So this theory is acceptable in the Gaudiya Sampradaya only under the constraint of calling the devas, demigod. I hope Śrīmān Nityānanda will look upon this. 5:26
It's one of those "lost" references, hence, can't be accepted at all. This is probably a made up verse attributed to Padma Purana by Gaudiya writers. Instances like these are found throughout Chaitanya Charitamrita.
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !! if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance. " in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people." What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings. Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu. Prabupaad added more fuel. 2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences. Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic. 3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse. 4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business. It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
To those interested in the truth: No translation is perfect. Each author belonging to a sampradāya translates with the larger context or wordview (darśana) in mind. Though we can find flaws with the translations of any ācārya, we don't do it out of respect. Sometimes, a word like 'demigod' is employed to contrast with the primary deity of a tradition/sampradāya. Decontextualizing a term automatically sets itself up for ambiguity -- in short, text without context is meaning-less or worse, misleading. From a scholarly viewpoint: Saṁskṛta words (deva, dharma, śraddhā, etc.) are best used as they are without translating. To address the usage of the word 'demigod', we need some context. Gauḍīya-vaiṣṇavism, to which ISKCON belongs, holds Kṛṣṇa as the highest form of divinity & that devas appear from Him. The basis is the Bhagavad-Gītā. In 10.2, Kṛṣṇa mentions 'na me viduḥ suragaṇāḥ... aham ādir hi devānām': The suras/devas or great ṛṣis don't really know My origin, for I am their very origin in all respects. Further, Kṛṣṇa explicitly differentiates the devatas from Himself (7.23) by mentioning devān deva-yajo yānti mad-bhaktā yānti mām api. He clearly mentions of his unrivaled preeminence as the origin of everything: aham sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ saravam pravartate (10.8). Thus, when Kṛṣṇa is viewed as the pre-eminent God, then His empowered representations like the devatas are contrasted as gods or demigods. Thus, deva-deva conveys the same sense of hierarchy when translated either as 'god of the gods' or 'the Lord of the demigods'. Nityānanda ji, before critiquing, one needs to be well-versed with the sampradāya, else the pūrva-pakṣa-jñana (knowledge of the opposition) remains incomplete, rendering arguments demi-scholarly or baseless at worst. There are references for other points on the definition of devas as those who are devoted to viṣṇu, etc. from sāmpradāyika texts like caitanya-caritāmṛta [viṣṇu-bhaktaḥ smṛto daivaḥ]. I hope and pray that we all progress toward the objective truth in our subjective ways.
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
@@kumarakantirava429 Correct, provided the worshippers do it the right way. Usually not many do it the right way by seeing the devata as representation of Kṛṣṇa. This is why Kṛṣṇa cautions such worship by the use of the word aviddhi-pūrvakam [Bhagavad-Gītā 9.23] येऽप्यन्यदेवता भक्ता यजन्ते श्रद्धयान्विता: | तेऽपि मामेव कौन्तेय यजन्त्यविधिपूर्वकम् || O son of Kunti, even those devotees who faithfully worship other gods also worship Me. But they do so by the wrong method.
@@kumarakantirava429 Kṛṣṇa can be worshipped in wrong ways, but that’s not the wrong representation of form being talked about - the difference is clear if we don’t choose to digress. The points previously made precisely illustrate [exclusively based on the Bhagavad-Gītā] on how the choice of the word demigod is reasonable within a sāmpradāya where the devatas are seen as partial/demi representations of the primary deity. Prabhupāda is exemplary in teaching Kṛṣṇa’s message even at the age of ~80 years to people who were far from Vedic culture. He’s like a grandfatherly figure, and is certainly respected like eminent ācāryas of sanātana dharma, of course only by people who follow dhārmic values like the PM who has also acknowledged openly.
@@chaitanyap5677 N0nsense. early morning I should spend my time in argumentation. There is NO Krsna in vedas - upanishads. Bhagawad gita was a Book written for Sudras, as said by vyasa himself. When Vuasa systemayised the Philosophy of Vedanta in Vedanya Sutras, he did not even care to mention a Krsna or a visnu. Pls dont wast my time
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language. Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English. Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma. To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact. For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram. Is this abrahamism? No. I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
Jaya Shri Rama prabhu, I understand your concern about using the word 'demigod' for Devas because it means Greek half-human half God . However, anyone who is part of ISKCON, never thinks of Devas like the Greek counterparts. Instead, they know Devas to be those living entities who are neither free from influence of time, nor are like humans. So why should we dwell on this issue if the intended meaning is understood? Srila Prabhupāda uses different word for Devas. This means that he was only trying to find the best English counterpart for the Saṃskṛta word. In his early work (Gītā), he uses demigod as his English-speaking disciples tell that this is the word closest to Deva in English. Later, he also uses the English word God & Saṃskṛta word Īśvara for them, for example in Shrimad Bhagwatam: “The Sanskrit word īśvara(controller) conveys the import of God, but the Supreme Person is called the parameśvara, or the supreme īśvara. The Supreme Person, or parameśvara, is the supreme conscious personality, and because He does not derive any power from any other source, He is supremely independent. In the Vedic literatures Brahmā is described as the supreme god or the head of all other gods like Indra, Candra and Varuṇa, but the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam confirms that even Brahmā is not independent as far as his power and knowledge are concerned.” So this 'demigod' controversy seems to be more of a misunderstanding. Hopes you understand the condition, the intent & the bhāva of Prabhupāda. Jaya Shri Ram 🙏
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language. Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English. Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma. To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact. For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram. Is this abrahamism? No. I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@aditshukla The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
Just you should try to understand that in English for the word deva there is no meaning other than God, So foe the people outside India who do not know anything about Indian culture/ sanathan, the difference between Parmeshwar and Dev was explained to them by Sri Prabhupada Ji by this word demigod amd for parmeshwar he used god... Haters gonna hate butwe will praise srila Prabhupada ji 🙏🏻🙌🏻
Iskcon is trying to abrahamize sanatan Dharma which is misleading. Foreigners falls in that trap very easy but now a days Indians also fall for this. They always try to show lord Vishnu as superior which is not as per sashtra.
If you want to preach outside of the boundaries of Bharat for hinduism to grow, then you have to be like Iskcon rather than karpatri type orthodox trads who wants the civilization to remain just within the limited home boundaries and exclusively for the upper castes only
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 bro i don't have problem with them I just highlighted the problem. And I also want sanatan to spread throughout the world but I want true essence of sanatan to be spread not distorted one. BTW we are sanatani at least now don't divide on the basis of caste . Thanks
@@Raj.r2 hindus were always divided on castes. The trads folks like Shankaracharyas keep on promoting this traditional orthodox notion and they deliberately supports it too. Seems like you are unaware of them
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 bro I know we were divided but now we have to be united otherwise you can see the conversion. It's high time for us to promote our sanatan.
@@Raj.r2 hindus are still not united, both soft and hard casteism still exists as well as untouchability too. Trads folks due to the traditional orthodox caste system don't really want the heterodox hindutva movement to succeed since it is uniting Hindus by annihilating the varna, jati and caste which Savarkar had dreamt. But still hindus revere casteist fellows like the shankaracharyas
bee and fly. bee will always sit on flower even in midst of dirt. fly will always sit on little dirt even in midst of a big beautiful garden. nityananda ji is acting like a house fly here.
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
O conqueror of wealth, there is no truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread. gita 7.7. Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures. 7.20 I am in everyone’s heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship some demigod, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity. 7.21 (So Krsna only gives these puranas glorifying devatas to make those devotees faith steady. however there is a catch that Krsna explains later) Endowed with such a faith, he endeavors to worship a particular demigod and obtains his desires. But in actuality these benefits are bestowed by Me alone. 7.22 Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet. 7.23 ye 'py anya-devatā-bhaktā yajante śraddhayānvitāḥ te 'pi mām eva kaunteya yajanty avidhi-pūrvakam Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me, O son of Kuntī, but they do so in a wrong way. ( so here is the catch - worshippers of devatas worship Krsna only but avidhi purvakam - in a wrong way). same translation can be seen in most popular translations like gita press. so Krsna created many devi devatas and scriptures glorifying them because not all have nature of worshipping Krsna. Krsna devotee is very rare as mentioned in gita 7.3 and further below in 7.19 After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare. no disrespect for any devi devata is intended. they are all assistants and devotees of Bhagwan Sri Krsna and very much respectable for all.
सभी सनातन विद्यार्थीगण से प्रार्थना है कि अपने शास्त्रों को केवल हिंदी या किसी भी भारतीय भाषा जैसे मराठी, गुजराती, बंगला...में पढ़ें पर कभी भी,भूल कर भी इंग्लिश या यूरोपियन भाषाओं में नहीं पढ़ें।
Actually His Divine Grace Bhakti Vedanta Swami just translated the commentries written by previous acharya in deciplic sucession and he wanted to not get confused about having so many gods and in bhagwatam lord Krishna is above all god thats why he does so he had done so much contribution to mankind you cannot even dream of please do thorough research before trying to demine someone he knows and respect lord shiva more than any of us the amount of sacrifices he maid he simply wanted to please his guru felt so bad that knowledge makes people emotionless and mannerless
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter : शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः । मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥ एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल । देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44) Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
This video makes it very clear the significance of Sanskrit non translatables. Babaji has co-authored a book with Rajivji Malhotra in this subject. Another strong reason to learn Sanskrit and avoid translations , especially English 🙏
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I like ISKON but their calling of lord Shiva as demigod as a Shiva bhakt has never convinced me!
Thank u sir from Nepal. I was waiting for this video since long. I used to go to Iskon a few years back. But the use of word demigod haunted me. Krishna is always aradhya for me. But to degrade Shiva and Mahamaya Durga as demigods is always unacceptable.
I think it happened bcz of the proper translation problem. Sri prabhupada had a very small time... So he choosed the words by with the people in west can easily understand. I have seen Shiva lingam and shiv puja in iskcon. My local iskcon temple also had a shiv lingam, Shiva is known as param vaishnav in vaishnava sect,without his mercy no one can reach Krishna. They don't insult other God. In every school of Hinduism there is the one supreme being.
In vaishnav, the Krishna/ Rama/ maha Vishnu is the supreme under him the Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh and Sakti.
In shivaite the sadaShiva is supreme... Under him Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh and Sakti.
In Sakti worship the adi Sakti is supreme under her Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh and others.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Bcz I'm not expert.
@@tivo3720 My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
@@tivo3720 My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
Do not get deterred by just English translation, try to grasp the broader philosophy of Santan Dharm and ISKCON is spreading our Vedic culture all around the world.
I asked Bhairav ji and Krishna to explain why the demigod word is used for Shiva by prabhupada. Dhanyawad Nityanand ji for explaining it so well.
O Iskonn😀. A lot of translations to serve the agenda rather than a text.
Absolutely
@@Poder108 hey SATAN Worshipper do what you can do....😁
What agenda?
But what's their agenda?
@@Poder108 bro everyone has the right to present their siddhant.
If that is a case, every sampraday is running an 'agenda'
Interesting video. Rajiv Malhotra made a series of videos on the topic of ‘Sanskrit non translatables’ . One of them dealt with the word deva which is mistranslated as gods/angels in English. You will enjoy these videos. Keep up the good work mr Mishra.
He knows Rajiv Malhotra ji in person if you are new watch earliest of rajivjis video you will get to know about him and his work ,both of them have a video on that malechch devdutt patnayak a must watch!!
ROTFL:
Do you know who has written Forward of the book Sanskrit Non-Translatables : The Importance of Sanskritizing English, authored by Rajiv Malhotra and Satyanarayana Dasa Babaji? Right now at the time of writing this comment, the book is at less than an arm's distance.
In some of his videos Rajiv Malhotra has mentioned a kind of people who has no expertise, doesn't want to do any work, but just keep giving advice. Like Rajiv Malhotra, I too find those type of people not only disturbing but also distracting.
Answer: Nityānanda Miśra
In my opinion We should simply write Bhagwan, Devta or Ishwar instead of Translating them into English.. just like Muslim never translate Allah, Rab into English.
Yes..... SANATANIs must speak and write the original words as used in our PAVITRA GRANTHAS . ..... like BHAGWAN, ISHWARA, PRABHU, MATAA, PITAA, VANAR ( NOT MONKEY), AATMAA, PARAMATMAA ETC. OUR VOCABULARY IS MUCH STRONGER AND UNIQUE THAN ANY OTHER LANGUAGES.....
That's good but it wasn't possible for Srila Prabhupada in 1970s as his audience was English people who had zero knowledge of Indian languages. Moreover English itself is quite limited language. What will anyone do if there is no option. All the varied terms like ishwar, bhagvan, paramatma are used as God or One true God in their culture. So that's not Srila Prabhupada's problem if we carefully look into the matter.
He could have defined Sanskrit terms and then used . Would Muslim preachers not use Allah among English audience?
@@space.ved108
Muslims don't translate it because Allah is the actual NAME of the islamic god, just like Vishnu and Shiva are the names of hindu Gods. On the other hand, ishvara, bhagwan, devta, etc, are not names, so they should be translated. Otherwise, it would be impossible for non-indic language speakers to grasp the meanings of these words. However, I do agree that proper translations must be done for all these subtle, closely related words, or else it can cause even greater confusion.
@@000Aful good point. I forgot to mention that in my comment.
Brilliant video 👏 now I guess passionate Iskconites will cope hard to justify Prabhupada's mistranslations and bluffs in order to critic Nityanand sir for this video
That 2.62 purport clearly showcases Hatred for Lord Shiva.... May Bhagwan Krishna Give satbuddhi to these Iskcon people.
No they can is nityanand mishra present that time when prabhupad went to us and he thought two words God and Demi God so all cannot be God if one is God then other have to be Demi God in this way he showed hierarchy so hierarchy must be maintained.
@@PerfectStranger1623 yes I can proof by sampradaya like ramanujacharya madhvacharya ramananandacharya translation that visnu is paramatma and shiv ji is not so here to distinguish he translated as God and demigod
@@PerfectStranger1623 धृतोर्ध्वपुण्ड्रः परमेशितारं नारायणं साङ्ख्ययोगाधिगम्यम् ।
ध्यात्वा विमुच्येत नरः समस्तैः संसारपाशैरिह चेति विष्णुम् ॥
One who wears the Urdhvapundra and meditates on the great controller Naaraayana, who is known through Saankhya and Yoga, shall be liberated from all bondages of samsaara.
-Mahaa Upanishad (quoted by Shri Vedaanta Deshika, in Sachcharitra Raksha)
प्रत्यगानन्दं ब्रह्म पुरुषं प्रणव॑स्वरू॒पम् । अकार उकार मका॑र इ॒ति । तानेकधा समभरत्तदेत॑दोमि॒ति । यमुक्त्वा॑ मुच्य॑ते यो॒गी॒ ज॒न्म॒संसा॑रब॒न्धनात् ।
The Yogi who pronounces the name of Him, the blissful Brahma Purusha, who is the form of the Pranava, composed of the letters ‘A’, ‘U’ and ‘Ma’, is released from the bondage of birth and samsaara.
-Naaraayana Upanishad, Khanda 4 (also repeated in the Aatmabodha Upanishad)
@@PerfectStranger1623 brother you can read Vedas translation by acharya or Upanishads like ramanujacharya you will come to this conclusion
ISCON wants to put Krishna above all, addressing their Foreign Christian audience who NEED one God
@JrJ2016 well he is the one Supreme God of the Vaishnav Hindus also the one Supreme God of those who believe in BHAGVAT Gita 😇
@@rameshverma4461 Bhagawad Gita, the Book written for the Sudras ( Duds ), as they were not allowed to read the vedas !! 😂🤣
@@rameshverma4461tf do you mean by vaishnava hindus how much more will you divide people
@@sarthak8350 We are already divided long before just open your mind and Watch around you...
@@kumarakantirava429 may God give you some knowledge 🙏🏼 so that you may realise that it is for all sentient humans regardless of their caste or creed.
मैंने आपकी कई videos पर comment किया है।
मुझे बहुत आवश्यकता है।
आपका बहुत बहुत आभार।
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
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When they called Lord Shiva as a mere demigod, it put me off their Sampradaya.
How many Shivas are there
Lord Shiva is one but he takes many form as lord Vishnu
There crore of universe so there are crore of lord Visnu, lord shiva .
But paramatma is one who is above crore universes and hi is Lord Krishna 🙏🏻...
@@sakha_dusthoka There are not crore's of Universes but thare is Only one Omniverse.
According to *Rigveda 6.49.10* Lord Shiva is referred as Father of entire Omniverse.
This is why I always have a problem with Bhakti sects... they always go too far to one side..
Good Morning.
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
I do agree.
I think if I ever meet a staunch shaivite also I would dread 😒
A condescending shaivite.
Otherwise worship who you wanna worship😊
How wrong are the translations of Bhaktivedanta Swami. 🤦♂️ finally everybody is understanding it.
@tarotym Before Pointing your finger on Bhaktivedanta Swami Try Google Translation you will Find the answer...
Demigods means Devta....in Sanskrit what is the meaning of Devta definitely it will be not what the Hindu believes....
@rameshverma4461 Swami Bhaktivedanta did not used Google Translate. "Put the things in context."
@@Poder108 Yes, Prabhupada did not use Google Translate, but I had just asked to use Google Translate so that you know that Demigod means Devta....In the entire Hindu religion, each God has been described as supreme by their Followers and they have insulted others Gods But Prabhupada have not done anything wrong at that level he spoked the Truth and now after the Grand Opening of Ram mandir this type of things are raised deliberately to attack the Vaishnavas and it is a combined conspiracy of those two group of peoples one of whom drink Somaras and the second group is of those who smoke Ganja. those intoxicated people think that by doing this they will bring down the devotees of Krishna or the Vaishnava saints then it is not going to happen the fools will fall into their Own trap......
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
@@kumarakantirava429 book name about the moon?
I have read Srila Prabhupada's books. Much needed video 🙏🏻❤️🕉️
Namo vah 🙏🏻
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
Thank you for bringing this up. First, Greek and Latin does not have the concept of one God. So, all its derivatives like English too cannot have an equivalent for one God. But we know that God is one. What then??
The only choice that a translator has is to assert a meaning or use the Sanskrit word as is.
Coming to 'Demigod' word, it refers in English to partial entities to the 'Gods' who are actually not the one God but just living beings like Humans but who have Super human 'bodies'. The reference are the BG verses, 'ksheene punye martya lokam vishanti' meaning that when the credits are exhausted, the 'Gods' take birth with human bodies, Shocking!. What 'God' is this?. Also 'aabrahma bhuvanal lokah punaravartinah..'. meaning that this repeats on and on up and down. So Brahma is a normal living being and not the one God. So, in that sense, they are partial to the one God. That means, the 'Gods' themselves are partial to the one God and no better than humans, except Lord Shiva. Lord Shivas case is specially mentioned in another BBT publication the Brahma Samhita.
Thus, in Latin and its derivatives, the so called 'Gods' are not the one God but partial to him.
In other words, it is not an ISKCON mistranslation but the 'inadequacy' of the English language itself that has caused this dilemma.
In order for the translator His Divine Grace Shri Abhaya Charanaravinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to 'overlook' that limitation, which requires a mind that is not enslaved by a foreign culture or language, such an 'improvisation' was the only way out.
After all, if the language is itself inadequate but the subject matter is of such urgency in Kali Yuga, a 'True' Master paves his own way!.
All the other 'great' translators mentioned here are scarcely known in the world while Swami Prabhupada is very well known only because of this power!
Hare Krishna! 🙏🙏
@@arjunkrishnadas Maha prabhu ji, Eid Mubarak. Happy Ramzaan. Please also read my last line ! where were You Prabu till Now ? Dandawat Pranaam. How is Amogh Leela Daas Ji doing ? Please convey my wishes to him.
1. Prabhupaad venturing to write commentary on Bhagawatam's Cosmology without reading his own Guru's Publications on vedic cosmology ? !
2. Amogh Lila Prabhu running out when Questioned about why he congratulated ISRO m while Prabhupaad wanted to Protest against NASA/ISRO !
3. I have 2 yr old MAil COnversations with Radhe Shyaam Prabhu ! Also his mails after ISRO moon landing.
Best case study on Chamaleon.
Even Prophet Mohammed is very famous across the world. Also, Mr Prabupaad, A true master did not pave his own way, he trampled his own way !
@@kumarakantirava-n2b Not only Shrila Prabhupada, many world scientists and observers still say that the old moon landing may have been faked. Do you have proof that they did not fake it? There are many analysis on this site that posits that it may be fake. So why not protest?
All that is fine. You did a biiiig mistake by calling the Gitaji as inferior when all Acharyas lauded it. Your online credibility is done for! RIP friend! 😊
@@kumarakantirava-n2b Not only Shrila Prabhupada, many world scientists and observers still say that the old moon landing may have been faked. Do you have proof that they did not fake it? There are many analysis on this site that posits that it may be fake. So why not protest?
All that is fine. You did a biiiig mistake by calling the Gitaji as inferior when all Acharyas lauded it. Your online credibility is done for! RIP friend! 😊
सनातन ग्रंथों में 'जाति' शब्द का किन-किन प्रसंगों में प्रयोग हुआ है और उनके अनुसार 'जाति' की क्या परिभाषा है, कृपया इस पर एक चलचित्र बनाएं🙏✨
aapse anurodh hai ki iskcon ki bhagvadgeeta ki wrong traslations pr bhi ek video bnaiye
Much needed
@msrsculpts8179 listen it again, don't embarrass yourself 🤦🏻
The Devas have already been translated as Gods
It's clearly written - the Satvik's worship Gods (Devas)
While Rajasic's worship DemiGods (yaksha)
@msrsculpts8179 There are many sanskrit words which dont have a direct english translation
Which is why many videos and many books have been written on this matter "Non-Translatables"
Words like Bhagwan, Parmatma, Satchidananda, Chetna, Atma etc. dont have an english word, due to english's limitations
For example:
Bhagwan means = Bha+Ga+Wa+Aa+Na
Bh = Bhoomi (land/earth)
Ga = Gagan (Space)
Wa = Vayu (Air)
Aa = Agni (Fire)
Na = Neer (Water)
There is no english word for this
The word God is a Christian Word. It's meaning doesnt equate with Bhagwan, Parmatma or Satchidananda.
@msrsculpts8179 Bhagwan obviously.
@msrsculpts8179 Gods here mean the Heavenly Gods such as God of Thunder, God of water, God of air, Goddess Earth etc.
These are not the Supreme God that we worship in Hinduism
Krishna Ji doesn't fall in this category
Krishna is Bhagwan
Are you a Non-Indian? Non- Hindu?
Not want to accuse anyone here but ISKON and BAPS have active efforts to package Sanatan Dharam as Abrahamic faiths. This is how they plan to increase following. That's where this discussion about "someone is inferior since gave in to physical relationship". In Abrahamic faiths, you are born off sin...you know the reason why. In Dharma sexual-reproduction is a riun (debt) of one born on this planet. Just like you perform Dharma, you also have to fulfill return to all the riun too.
Now the issue with this is, are you really doing any service if you are just package Dharma as faith and selling to those who are trying to run away from the mess their life already is in.
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language.
Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English.
Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma.
To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact.
For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram.
Is this abrahamism? No.
I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
I see that you have got an untrue understanding about ISKCON.
In Vedic shastras, you will find a wide range of statements, from encouraging serious candidates to dedicate themselves completely to self-realisation, as well as provisons to persons to marry, live a dharmic life, and gradually progress towards moksha.
Now if one takes one stand out of the contexts and considers it 'extreme', it is result of misunderstanding.
Shrila Prabhupada comments in Chaitanya Charitamrita Adi Lila 14 55
Although Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu accepted sannyāsa at an early age, it is not necessary for His devotees to follow Him by also taking sannyāsa. One can stay a householder, but one must be a devotee of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Then one will be happy, with all the material opulences of a good home, good children, good mate, good wealth and everything he desires. Therefore the śāstras advise, yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana-prāyair yajanti hi su-medhasaḥ (Bhāg. 11.5.32). Every householder, therefore, who is actually intelligent should introduce the saṅkīrtana movement home to home and live peacefully in this life and go back to Godhead in the next.
@@kumarakantirava-n2b i think you are as bogus as your comment.
@@kumarakantirava-n2b you are fake n have a propoganda to spread . There was no fight btwn vaishnavs n shaivities n no one was killed just spreading lies ...
ISKCON devotees have become so rigid due to blind faith in Srila Prabhupada, they just don't want to accept the world has changed, and they need to adapt. They need to understand Srila Prabhupada was not a great Sanskrit scholar nor he was a great expert of different shastras. He had a great understanding of his sampradayic notions he followed, but he was no expert of overall Vedic philosophies. And his faith in fulfilling his guru's desire was commendable.
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What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language.
Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English.
Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma.
To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact.
For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram.
Is this abrahamism? No.
I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
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@@aditshukla nicely explained
And you are great scholar to recognize that?
Authorities on the Bhagvadgita do not have much respect for the English translation ISKON version.
Proof?
@@apsnapsn4700 My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
@@apsnapsn4700 they call kali and shiva demi god
@@krishna03778
Jaya Shri Rama 🙏,
I understand your concern about using the word 'demigod' for Devas because it means Greek half-human half God . However, anyone who is part of ISKCON, never thinks of Devas like the Greek counterparts. Instead, they know Devas to be those living entities who are neither free from influence of time, nor are like humans. So why should we dwell on this issue if the intended meaning is understood?
Srila Prabhupāda uses different word for Devas. This means that he was only trying to find the best English counterpart for the Saṇskṛta word. In his early work (Gītā), he uses demigod as his English-speaking disciples tell that this is the word closest to Deva in English. Later, he also uses the English word God & Saṅskṛta word Īśvara for them, for example in Shrimad Bhagwatam:
“The Sanskrit word īśvara(controller) conveys the import of God, but the Supreme Person is called the parameśvara, or the supreme īśvara. The Supreme Person, or parameśvara, is the supreme conscious personality, and because He does not derive any power from any other source, He is supremely independent. In the Vedic literatures Brahmā is described as the supreme god or the head of all other gods like Indra, Candra and Varuṇa, but the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam confirms that even Brahmā is not independent as far as his power and knowledge are concerned.”
So this 'demigod' controversy seems to be more of a misunderstanding. Hopes you understand the condition, the intent & the bhāva of Prabhupāda.
Jaya Shri Ram 🙏
@@krishna03778
Jaya Shri Rama,
My friend, I understand your concern about using the word 'demigod' for Devas because it means Greek half-human half God . However, anyone who is part of ISKCON, never thinks of Devas like the Greek counterparts. Instead, they know Devas to be those living entities who are neither free from influence of time, nor are like humans. So why should we dwell on this issue if the intended meaning is understood?
Srila Prabhupāda uses different word for Devas. This means that he was only trying to find the best English counterpart for the Saṇskṛta word. In his early work (Gītā), he uses demigod as his English-speaking disciples tell that this is the word closest to Deva in English. Later, he also uses the English word God & Saṅskṛta word Īśvara for them, for example in Shrimad Bhagwatam:
“The Sanskrit word īśvara(controller) conveys the import of God, but the Supreme Person is called the parameśvara, or the supreme īśvara. The Supreme Person, or parameśvara, is the supreme conscious personality, and because He does not derive any power from any other source, He is supremely independent. In the Vedic literatures Brahmā is described as the supreme god or the head of all other gods like Indra, Candra and Varuṇa, but the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam confirms that even Brahmā is not independent as far as his power and knowledge are concerned.”
So this 'demigod' controversy seems to be more of a misunderstanding. Hopes you understand the condition, the intent & the bhāva of Prabhupāda.
Jaya Shri Ram 🙏
Moreover bro why are you replying something else that isn't related to my question
The only reason i think why श्रीला प्रभुपाद did the wrong translation of the word 'dev' is because he wanted the western countries to follow gaudiya vaishnav sampradaya(iskcon) and those people didn't knew the difference between dev , bhagwan , parmatma, परब्रह्म and maybe at that time श्रीला प्रभुपाद was unable to find right words for dev, bhagwan, parmatma etc and now its stuck in the mind of foreign iskcon followers and even hindus who follow iskcon...
Even Indian are doing same , amogh lila Prabhu in one of his video said satyam shiv sundram is not dedicated to shivji ,it is for Krishna because Krishna is satyam shivam sundaram
Also wanted to clarify the meaning of demigod ...it was used in greek mythology/religion..when a god(greek) had an offspring with a human , that child was considered a demi god ""half god-half human""
Some people also consider the meaning as to be minor/inferior diety for example karna, arjun and other pandavs will be considered as demi gods as they are the children of hindu gods and kunti..
That means he was not an enlightened guy. Just another guy who wants his way to be followed. Maybe he wanted to woo the west for more funds and nothing spiritual.
@@mukesh-ge4gx in the Mantra - Hare Krishna Hare Rama, they say "Rama" here doesn't mean Bhagwan Rama
@@Ram_The_Infinite For us Ram in Mahamantra is RadhikaRaman Krishna.
Bhaktas of Ramchandra can take it as their dear Saaketbihari Shri Ram.
What's wrong here?
This issue can be easily clarified by placing it within the appropriate context, which revolves around discerning between visnu-tattva and jiva-tattva, essentially addressing a matter of natural hierarchy. Referring directly to the Vedic shastras rather than relying on any Sanskrit dictionary with secular academic interpretations, we find support in the first verse of the fifth chapter of the Brahma Samhita, which states, "īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ anādir ādir govindaḥ sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam." The transcendental origins of everything is Svayam Bhagavan Shree Krishna. Similarly, the Bhagavata Purana 1.3.28 declares, "kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam", that He is the origin of all incarnations. For those well-versed in the Bhagavad-Gita, there can be no doubt that Krishna is One without a Second and that everything originates from Him, ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate. As vishnu-tattva, He is non-different from Rama, Baladeva, Narasimha, Laksmidevi, and all other innumerable transcendental forms of Svayam Bhagavan.
All the material universes are populated by jiva-tattva - the infinitesimal living beings, equal to the Lord in quality, but not quantity, all having bodies composed of material elements, subject to creation and destruction. This includes the devas with one exception, Shiva, who has his own tattva, siva-tattva, which is like Vishnu just like yoghurt is like milk. So, among all these living jivas, some have the temporary bodies and names of "gods", though referred to as "demigods" to distinguish them as powerful jivas from the forms of Vishnu. Below the devas, or demigods, are the upadevas, or "sub-demigods," and so forth, for the duration of the universes.
Understanding this context from shastras and the purpose of existence is paramount. In the Bhagavad-Gita, Lord Krishna states, "vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyo vedānta-kṛd veda-vid eva cāham," emphasizing that He has provided the Vedas to enable us to understand Him.
Unfortunately, the creator of the referenced video has missed this central point, exemplifying what Bhagavan Shree Krishna refers to in the Bhagavad-Gita 7.15 as "māyayāpahṛta-jñānā".
Hahahaha 😆😆😆 ISKCON/Gaudiyas childish evangelical interpretation of Scriptures 😆😆😆
The sacred teachings of the Vedic shastras should be accepted as they are, and not from word-wranglers and people envious of Vedic truth.@@Mekanishka0610
@@ericeriksson262 Says a Druggie Homosexual Gaudiya Vaishnav
what it childish? you are child!! first learn abcd of scriptures and then comment on sampraday whose acaryas were great scholars and writters of thousands of books in sanskrit.
@@YasodaJivandasaexcellent, excellent. Hare Krishna.😊😊👏👏👏😆
I am an ISKCON Devotee (or should I say I am trying to be one of the servants at ISKCON), and I am grateful for the clarification provided herein. Yes it may be true that 'Deva' does not literally mean demingod. But what I think also needs to be clarified here is the purpose of translating the Bhagavad Gita. A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami never posed himself as a Sanskrit Scholar (yet he managed to translate immense amount of Vedic literature but we are not discussing that here). He was a preacher and a trailblazer of the Bhakti Yoga, as he comes from the Bramha-Madhva-Gaudiya Sampradaya.
His mission was to preach the message of Bhakti throughout the world as given by Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita, as I must mention, he was immensely successful opening 108 temples in mere 10 years and making thousands of people begin their journey on the path of Bhakti Yoga (considering his ripe old age of 70 and 2 heart attacks while on a cargo ship all alone). The Bhagavad Gita has been accepted by all Vaishnava Sampradayas and Acharyas as Bhakti-conclusive. The final instruction of Krishna is to become his devotee and surrender unto him. A.C Bhaktivedanta swami's attempt was to thus present the Gita as bhakti centric. He is seeing and presenting Bhakti, the heart of the Gita, throughout the gita. And isn't that also a symptom of pure devotion to the Supreme Lord Narayan?
That is why I appreciate the fact that the presenter in the video has said, "from a Sanskrit Perspective." Yes, maybe from a Sanskrit perspective the translations may not be justified, but from the principle perspective, it is absolutely justified. Similar is the case with Madhvacharya's commentary. The vision of A.C Bhaktivedanta swami is not make sanskrit scholars, but make people simple pure hearted devotees of krishna. In a scripture known as Chaitanya Charitamrit, there is a story of a Brahmin, who is illiterate. This illiterate brahmin cannot even read, but is crying and weeping when he "reads" the Gita. Others laugh at him wondering how is he reading the Gita when he is illiterate? When the brahmin is confronted by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (incarnation of Krishna) he replies that as his guru ordered the brahmin to read, he is trying. Although illiterate, as soon as he opens the Gita, he sees Lord Krishna driving Arjuna's chariot and weeps in seperation from the lord. Mahaprabhu embraces him and replies, "You are reading Bhagavad-gītā in the true sense." The purpose of shastra is not to become an erudite scholar, it may be a side effect but certainly not the goal. As Adi Shankaracharya writes,
"bhaja govindaḿ bhaja govindaḿ
govindaḿ bhajamūḍhamate
saḿprāpte sannihite kāle
nahi nahi rakśati"
Translation: Worship Govinda, Worship Govinda, Worship Govinda. Oh fool! Rules of Grammar will not save you at the time of your death
All the knowledge, of grammar, logic etc, is understood to be used in service of Sriman Narayan, and A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami does exactly that! For which I think all Sanatanis must honour him! When our grandfathers decide to retire, that is the age when Swami ji embarked on a seemingly impossible mission....ALL ALONE! He started ISKCON, which has helped MILLLIONS during natural calamties and pandemics, IN ADDITION TO THEIR SPIRITUAL CARE.
The reason I have mentioned all of this is because 90% of the viewers (many so called hindus) are suffering from lust (India is one of the top countries watching pornography), anger, greed, pride etc. (India's rank on happiness index is 146 EVEN BELOW PAKISTAN) and their so called love for Sanatan is limited to waving orange flags and simply posting, "#sanatani" on social media, but here is a man, called A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami, who has actually done something for Sanatan Dharma, and that ought to be honored by us.
I have said all this because, so many innocent and genuine people will be misguided and perhaps even leave the bigger mission just on the accord of mere grammatical translation shifts, which by the way are not SO WRONG THAT IT WILL COMPLETELY TEAR APART THE MESSAGE OF THE GITA. Millions have read Gita As it is by Bhaktivedanata Swami and have become people leading a pious life, and that is what truly matters. Hare Krishna! Jai Srila Prabhupad!
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Leave iskcon if you have even 1IQ
And he practiced what he preached. The philosophy of bhakti is to not overcomplicate yourself and rather just apply whatever you know in the service. Great comment!
@@domename wrong
@@LEONARDO-xs2ke how is it wrong?
Shravanam kirtanam vishnoh smaranam ... shlok in bhagavatam. Look for it. This is devotional service.
@@LEONARDO-xs2ke And don't write such nonsense like "wrong". What do you have to prove it?
Accha hua maine Iskcon ki gita nahi li. Thank you lord Krishna.
द्वौ भूत-सर्गौ लोके 'स्मिन्,
देवासुर एव च।
विष्णु-भक्त: स्मृतो देव
असुरस तद -विपर्यय :।।
( पद्म पुराण )
Reference from Padam Puram that how followers of Lord Vishnu are Deva and those who oppose Lord Vishnu are Asura.
In the Agni purāṇa (383.12) which is one amongst the Tāmasika-purāṇa it is said
dvividho bhūtamārgīyaṁ daiva āsura eva ca |
viṣṇubhaktiparo daivo viparītastathāsuraḥ ||
Beautiful😊😊
But when did Shiva's, Shakti's, Ganesha's, Surya Devta's devotees oppose Vishnu or Krishna? However, I have definitely watched videos in which your own ISKCON so-called gurus put Krishna over at a higher pedestal as compared to Vishnu-- nothing can be further from the truth! Hari Om Tat Sat 🕉️
I am admiring the painting behind you. The shape of the flowers are fascinating.
In my dictionary....the other words for the Iskon are 'spineless' , 'jokers' , 'cult of narcissist'....😊😊
I'm sure you'll enjoy reading that dictionary in your long tenure in hellish planets that you're sure to be destined to
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Excellent topic and knowledge share. Thank you for putting into perspective that a GOD like Krishna is GOD for certain Sampradaya but that doesn’t make Shiva any less hence using word like Demi God doesn’t make sense.
Very well tackled - I have also had bad experiences with Hare Krishnas, who while purport to be Vaishnavites, have a rather disdain view of other schools within the Indian religious ecosystem. They militantly and vehemently oppose anything Advaitic. I do not even think Hare Krishna, as it is now, is even part of Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Basically, I feel, Hare Krishna best mimics a very Abrahamic system (like they are intolerant of other deities). Let's also put it out there, most Hare Krishna types do not even call themselves Hindu, deep within their circle, they call others 'Hindu' but not themselves... they might patronize you, but in their circles, they are quite conditioned on Krishna... ONLY Krishna. Others below and subservient to Krishna, is fine - but God forbid, sharing a platform and suggesting parity is heresy for them. Some ideas tend to further denigrate other deities rather explicitly.
Whatever the case, some of these guys happily equate Krishna with Jesus or Yahweh... but have difficulty doing this with Shiva or some Indic equivalent. I am quite perplexed at some of their ideas, given their mastery of Sanskrit is also rather weak. I began some reading of the Bhagwat Gita As It Is - and found that it was NOT the Gita as it was... rather, a interpretation that appeared to tinge some aspects of the central tenet that is the Bhagwat Gita. Clearly some ideas contain the tinge that scholars might not find appropriate.
And also - Hare Rama and Hare Krishna - they are Balram and Krishna, not Valmiki's Rama - they are centrally focused on the divine Yadav brothers! I find it funny how their 'Maha Mantra' is commonly understood to be an exercise of equivocating, especially when it is Balram and Krishna they are chanting of. Might I be forgiven to make this suggestion - I feel Hare Krishna movement to be more of a cult than a unifying Indian movement of global reform (given it has foreign, non Indian heritage adherents).
I also feel the elevation of Chaitanya (one of Ikscons saints) to an avatar of Vishnu is... somewhat unorthodox and may not be acceptable in a proper Vaishnav school. It's just... too 'Christian'. Doctrine-wise... Ikscon is somewhat... 'cultist'. There was this person who literally laughed at 'Gyan Yoga'... let us please also address this:
Saint Chaitanya WAS NOT an avatar of Vishnu... since there is no doctrinal support for this elevation as the other potential avatars are mentioned in other religious texts. This has to be challenged too.
Saint Chaitanya WAS an avatar of Vishnu, lord Ayyapan WAS an avatar of Vishnu all Vaishnav school believes in him but we don't know nor we care about the Tamsik Schools of Shaivites...
@@rameshverma4461 Just ask them if they believe or endorse the deity Ayyapan as an avatar. Their situation is similar to this Swami Narayan sect which has been establishing so many temples outside India. The primary deity is some Guru of theirs... it's like building a huge beautiful temple and then taking a big dump in the middle of it by establishing Ghanshyam Pandey as the central deity - or, in Ikscon's case, Chaitanya.
I can believe these were teachers... but... divinity, nah... besides, any such claims need literary corroboration. Krishna/Ram et al. have wide discussions on their divinity across all schools and practice systems... the deified teachers, well, they are restricted to a single source and that, had it not been Hinduism's open embrace of new and vibrant ideas, would have been blasphemy in any other religious system.
India is a weird place... you see new religious strains being born every day there... some gain traction to become new systems of worship, others... become full blown religions by themselves. Give Ikscon 100-200 more years, it will become a separate religion soon enough, given they have so many problems just aligning themselves within the Vedic pantheon.
Personally, I feel the inclusion of other deities beyond those of the 33 Vedic deities on record, and others who claim to have manifestations from these 33 (such as avatars etc) are fine... anyone outside this system of 33 should be disregarded as being non systemic. What's the point of having 33 million Gods when you can't even properly worshipping a single one?
If one is too open minded, the brains fall off... worse, it gets pulled out by others forcefully.
@@illuminatusdeus3051 If you ask the people of East, West or North India except South India, they will not have heard the name of Ayyappan nor do they know anything about him. If you talk about Balaji, then many will think that you are talking about Hanuman ji. Those who are devotees of Ayyappan do not believe that Ayyappan is the incarnation of Vishnu, so how can anyone else believe in him and as far as Vedas are concerned, the first thing is that they are not Vedas but Chaturveda and Hindus do not believe in those Vedas. Neither do we keep them in our house nor we read them this is a fact whether anyone accepts it or not even Swami Vivekananda has also said about those four Vedas that they contains verses created by the sages to praise and glorify their ISHTADEV through It is just a collection of verses composed for the sake of praise, not any divine knowledge.
@@rameshverma4461 Just stick to the 33 from the vedic pantheon and seek corroboration from other authoritative texts like the 10 Mukhya Upanishads. Furthermore, if you've actually have done some proper reading, you will see that the Ramayana and the Mahabharat retell a lot of these puranic texts (remember reading the birth of Skanda in the Valmiki Ramayana, Visvamitra retells it to Ram during their journey to rid Yakshini Tataka, who was cursed to be a man-eater by Sage Agastya (associated with Tamil)) - meaning, these sages had found them to be important and that forms a type of corroboration - and that is authoritative.
I am not saying the Deity Ayyappan (all the reverence and respect from me) or some other deity (no matter worshipped in the North or the South, some dude told me he worships Hidamba in Himachal Pradesh, an Indian state) - this is not wrong, but her worship isn't something that's common (or general practice) - so do some deities of the South, like Aravana or even the Pandavas, I saw temples in South East Asia, Tamilian temples, which worship the Pandavas and Draupadi... which - well, is unique and lacks some type of major text corroboration.
It is like Mr Nithyanand Mishra states in his names issue, new names are being invented without the basis of historical corroboration - this is also the case for deities and their worships in different parts of the world. You will be surprised how Thaipusam worship of Skanda has evolved in Malaysia and South East Asia, in general - is that authoritative? Nope.
I am simply saying that get some type of reinforcement for your beliefs, there is a controversy surrounding Santoshi Mata and how she was introduced into the pantheon, receiving reinforcement through the movie... you will never find Santoshi Mata or, perhaps, Radha, Krishna's consort, in general texts of authority and they have gained so much traction.
As I have indicated, open your mind too much and brains fall off, since there isn't a proper form of control over what is and what isn't part of the general corpus of belief systems that one defines as Hinduism (since Buddhism, at a time, was also 'part' of partial practice of shared beliefs at one time) - at the least be aware.
@@rameshverma4461 Which again, suggests that some of the practices which may not be Hindu. And then they start deifying some of these village / household deities and then it becomes general practice and leads to further disputes with the actual Vedic corpus.
I do not need to tell everyone that some of these household deities or village deities, mind you (Isht Devas etc), are not general deities. Meaning -> you may well be worshipping someone's ancestor or some witch doctor in a remote Indian village who, for better or worse, may have been worshipped due to a disease or snake bites and what have you. Meaning... these can also be, in some cases, manifestations of Yakshas or some other rajas entity (or tamas).
So, really, it's your preogative. I do not wish to, personally speaking, be beyond Vedic beliefs. In the case of Deity Ayappan (all the respect to the deity), there is a backstory that Shiva copulated with Vishnu in his mohini avatar and then the latter birthed the deity. Whatever your belief system, the tantric folks have a lot of this variety of beliefs and practices in their belief systems too, in my view, a lot of people in the North of India will have some reservations about this - since there is no corroboration of this narrative in their texts.
What I am saying is, if there are no thresholds anywhere, we will see the sacred defined and all kinds of things being propagated. I recently did some reading on the tantra school (let's not even discuss Vamachar) - I have come to realize certain schools take so much liberty of the sacred and people just let them, which is so bizarre.
Basically, I do not see associating regional deities with central vedic corpus for the elevation, given there is little traction of such deities beyond their primary areas of veneration anyway, but this does end of complicating the central tenets and ultimately the corruption of the centre which, probably, can do without any perceived denigration. I am all for celebration and normalization of sexuality... but the narrative, well, the less said the better. When you present a regional deity to me with that kind of backstory - I will simply ask you for corroboration.
Obviously, with all due respect and reverence for the deities.
In Delhi Book fair few years back I picked up a small book on Shiva by ISCKON and to my surprise they called him evil.
This belittling of others comes from a mindset to prove that Krishna is supreme. I hope new generation ISCKON people are not brought up with this hatred. They do great bhajans and monks are very nice and friendly.
Yeah he is the fallen Angel of ISLAM, Chtistinity and the Jews...
There is no book calling Lord Shiva as evil. Show the exact quote.
Lord Shiva is worshipped as topmost Vaishnava in Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition and ISKCON.
Although I do agree calling Lord Shiva as demigod feels very offensive to many. But the main focus is to do Krishna bhakti and not to belittle others.
What nonsense! Don't spread misinformation, tell the name of the name with proper reference. ISCKON don't write such things in their books.
@@abhishektiwari1868 The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
@@pankajalochana7236 Srimad Bhagawatam Prabhupaad Translation : - .1.2.11 " Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān ""
Thanks a tonne . We need more voices like you
Respected Nityananda Misra ji,
Bhaktivedanta Swami's translation firstly is not a chaya anuvada (literal translation) its a bhava anuvada. Bhaktivedanta Swami was well aware of these dictionaries and kept them for his reference while translating the Bhagavad-Gita. He also has many other translations of other acaryas as well. But he purposefully chose the word demigod to make the point that Krishna is actually God (Bhagavan) which is what is being said in Bhagavad-Gita itself. "Sri Bhagavan uvaca ...etc.."
He didn't want the literal translations to create a confusion in the western audience who are not even aware of the basic sanskrit terms or their meanings. In ISKCON we believe that Krishna is GOD. He is Supreme Lord. In Santana Dharma already people are confused with the conclusions of Bhagavad-Gita. And Sankaracarya parampara give altogether a different meaning for Bhagavan. They refer Brahmajyoti as Bhagavan.
Srila Prabhupada was very emphatic in putting forth his conclusions. Especially with regard to the position of Krishna.
1. Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
2. All other devatas are subordinate to Krishna.
He wanted that there should not be any sort of confusion in undertaking these 2 points. If deva is translated as God then we are putting Krishna on the same level as other devatas. Which is against our point. He purposefully put aside the sanskrit dictionary meanings which would otherwise create confusion in the readers wrt understanding the fundamental point that Krishna is the Supreme Lord or GOD.
That is the reason Bhaktivedanta Swami's Bhagavad-Gita has become so popular especially in conveying the point that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and unalloyed devotion to Krishna is the purpose of life. Now you may not care for this!!
The English language is defective in its own way and Bhaktivedanta swami had made best use of the defective English words without compromising the concepts that he wanted to present.
This is not at all appropriate to tell that Bhaktivedanta Swami's translation is incorrect. You are demeaning a very great personality who had achieved unimaginable feats in the history of Sanatana Dharma wrt the preaching and the volume of impact he has done to the society.
I would urge you to read the biography of Bhaktivedanta Swami and know more about him before making such comments that would spread negative views about ISKCON and Swami Prabhupada.
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Who gave him the authority to translate as his wish . He is not a bhagvat prapt mahapurush. And when without bhagvat prapti preaching the lords name and bhakti is futile and lead to adharma like this
@@atanughosh2959 who are you to judge whether he got bhagavat prapthi or not? You are not even like an ant infront of the work and service he has done to the world. Simply envious folks!!! You all just keep arguing which is the right translation. By your arguments and videos nobody becomes a devotee of Krishna. Your discussions are like the empty husk. Only to glorify your egos. 😁
@@vkc7992 I m not envy of prabhupad . I m not a mahapurush or guru or a competitor of prabhupad so there is no reason for me to be jealous of him . But as a Hindu it is our duty to uphold the principles of sastra and truth . But tell me is prabhupad greater than lord Shiva or Krishna or ved vyas or shankaracharya or nimbarkacharya or Chaitanya mahaprabhu . What he translated contradicts all those mentioned above . No great acharya changed translation but explain it according to their sampradaya but Prabhupad is one of the (no words to say ) who changed the word of god to fullfill his adharmic agenda in the name of bhakti . As if God s word less important than his ideology. And he is a naam apradhi also .most of his works breaks the sanatan and vaidik maryada . He called lord Shiva rascal demigod inferior to haridas thakur he even call lord vishnu as demigod what a joke .
@@atanughosh2959 firstly you should read all Prabhupada books properly and scrutinizingly first. Then you will regret for all the words you are saying. You just are catching one point and not understanding the context. Although you are saying you are non envious you are definitely envious and it can be seen in the way you are addressing him.
@@vkc7992 look I m not catch a point I watched all the lectures and discoures given by iskcon's so called acharyas and brahmacharis and their philosophies . They only teach what prabhupad wrote and . Believe it or not I m not envious I'm ready to serve as a servent if anybody is a bhakt and follow the path of truth and the truth which is our Vedic sastras .
Thank you for bringing this up. First, Greek and Latin does not have the concept of one God. So, all its derivatives like English too cannot have an equivalent for one God. But we know that God is one. What then??
The only choice that a translator has is to assert a meaning or use the Sanskrit word as is.
Coming to 'Demigod' word, it refers in English to partial entities to the 'Gods' who are actually not the one God but just living beings like Humans but who have Super human 'bodies'. The reference are the BG verses, 'ksheene punye martya lokam vishanti' meaning that when the credits are exhausted, the 'Gods' take birth with human bodies, Shocking!. What 'God' is this?. Also 'aabrahma bhuvanal lokah punaravartinah..'. meaning that this repeats on and on up and down. So Brahma is a normal living being and not the one God. So, in that sense, they are partial to the one God. That means, the 'Gods' themselves are partial to the one God and no better than humans, except Lord Shiva. Lord Shivas case is specially mentioned in another BBT publication the Brahma Samhita.
Thus, in Latin and its derivatives, the so called 'Gods' are not the one God but partial to him.
In other words, it is not an ISKCON mistranslation but the 'inadequacy' of the English language itself that has caused this dilemma.
In order for the translator His Divine Grace Shri Abhaya Charanaravinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to 'overlook' that limitation, which requires a mind that is not enslaved by a foreign culture or language, such an 'improvisation' was the only way out.
After all, if the language is itself inadequate but the subject matter is of such urgency in Kali Yuga, a 'True' Master paves his own way!.
All the other 'great' translators mentioned here are scarcely known in the world while Swami Prabhupada is very well known only because of this power!
Hare Krishna! 🙏🙏
Great response prabhu! No attempt has been made to understand the technical meaning of the word demi-god as used very consistently in all of the books of srila prabhupada. Nityanada ji's argument is like taking the concept momentum in physics and sitting and arguing about its meaning by english etymology. It is only a placeholder for a technical concept which is very consistently used inside physics and it is a useless endeavour to understand its meaning any other way.
If there is an objection toward referring to Shiva or Brahma as demi-gods then the argument must be a shastric one and not a linguistic one but Nityanand ji's argument is neither here nor there.
Calling Deva as demigod is nonsense, absurd and obnoxious!
Not that there's any evidence of existence of devas
@@Pain53924 Well Rigveda is the Oldest Literary evidences of Existence of Devas.
@@MaitreyaLakshya its just a book. Not evidence. It only makes claims about gods.
@@Pain53924Ok then tell me is any evidence that proclaims deva not exitsted
@@blustingfiolex4695 What a dumb question. You lack basic understanding of epistemology. The burden of proof is on the person who claims something. I'm just questioning your claim.
Pranaam Nityānanda Miśra ji,I like the start of the video with calendar widget in the top left. Which calendar app/program do you use or recommend?
Make a video about the word "Shudra" it is most controversial word in Hinduism.
it's just 4th varn
@@H00o0DA1 it's more than that
😂 no it's not part of his propaganda
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 How?
They don't have much significance in matter of dharma other than that
@@suhaspol902 You are literally a fool who is crying in the Comment section for no reason
I am so glad you took this up for discussion. The amount of damage ISKCON is doing in India in confusion people is sad to watch. Even swami Prabhupada did not intent this for India. I hope Indians wake up. Hare Krishna 🙏
no iscon fanboy harmed in this video.....😁😁
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language.
Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English.
Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma.
To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact.
For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram.
Is this abrahamism? No.
I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@aditshukla To make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language you don't have to make fake translations😀.Never seen any sect in hindusim who aggressively push this idea that our god is the superior one.. like ISKcon .This is not good. How do a krishna bhakta feel If i say krishna is inferior to shiva because krishna prayed to lord shiva and did intence penence for six months in the himalayas to get the boon of a son{samba}.This story is written in mahabharata. But this is not the way to adress the story to a krishna bhakta. I would certainly avoid the word inferior in the conversation because it will only add up to dislike and hate..Thats where ISKON people are different.The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. bur no other vaishnavite use these kind of superior inferior vocabulary like demi god. The word demi gods itelf is problamatic. The kind of speeches these guys make on youtube based ona fake translation of orginal scriptures are unbelivable. calling people like shankaracharya pakhandi is one amoung many notorious acts of ISKON people. So don't try to justify ISKON. No other vaishnavite sect use these kind of words..
@@sree18697 Well said. Also, The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
@@aditshukla @aditshukla Srimad Bhagawatam Prabhupaad Translation : - .1.2.11 " Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān ""
@@kumarakantirava-n2b true
hopefully this comes across some of the iskon sanyaasi who otherwise are so active on UA-cam and social media like swami amogh leela and others
@aarjukr The problem is in the Sanskrit language so we the Hindus never accepted it.....there is the Word Devta when Translated in English it becomes Demigod this proved Devta means degraded beings not God.
@@rameshverma4461 problem is not with sanskrit, its with ppl who dont understand that any translation/interpretation is affected by blind sight of bias and linguistic and translation capability of the individual… and thus still sticking/defending incorrect interpretation in the name of “respect” to their guru
Thank you for bringing this up. First, Greek and Latin does not have the concept of one God. So, all its derivatives like English too cannot have an equivalent for one God. But we know that God is one. What then??
The only choice that a translator has is to assert a meaning or use the Sanskrit word as is.
Coming to 'Demigod' word, it refers in English to partial entities to the 'Gods' who are actually not the one God but just living beings like Humans but who have Super human 'bodies'. The reference are the BG verses, 'ksheene punye martya lokam vishanti' meaning that when the credits are exhausted, the 'Gods' take birth with human bodies, Shocking!. What 'God' is this?. Also 'aabrahma bhuvanal lokah punaravartinah..'. meaning that this repeats on and on up and down. So Brahma is a normal living being and not the one God. So, in that sense, they are partial to the one God. That means, the 'Gods' themselves are partial to the one God and no better than humans, except Lord Shiva. Lord Shivas case is specially mentioned in another BBT publication the Brahma Samhita.
Thus, in Latin and its derivatives, the so called 'Gods' are not the one God but partial to him.
In other words, it is not an ISKCON mistranslation but the 'inadequacy' of the English language itself that has caused this dilemma.
In order for the translator His Divine Grace Shri Abhaya Charanaravinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to 'overlook' that limitation, which requires a mind that is not enslaved by a foreign culture or language, such an 'improvisation' was the only way out.
After all, if the language is itself inadequate but the subject matter is of such urgency in Kali Yuga, a 'True' Master paves his own way!.
All the other 'great' translators mentioned here are scarcely known in the world while Swami Prabhupada is very well known only because of this power!
Hare Krishna! 🙏🙏
@@arjunkrishnadas I don’t want to get into a debate but there are many gaps in your explanation/answer. If the very inadequacy of the language that you have agreed to is clear to the translator then all translations should have asterisks, but there are none. Instead, the captain used “As it is” is used which adds to that. Yes there are people who can see through and and discern and still understand what in these translations is fluff and what to ignore if that is the only source one is reading from. But most masses are not, and hence all the useless debates about “which form of the supreme lord is greatest”. And all the labels of “agenda” are thrown in. As far as the sources quoting one form as superior than other, in diff purana, diff forms are primary, so one has to go to the roots for the truth, which are veda and upnishad. Purana are for developing bhakti towards ones ishtdeva, they batter not be used for gyaan so to speak, for that upnishad are supreme. And according to them, brahm is the ultimate reality, and appears in various worshipped forms. (एकम् सत् विप्र बहुधा वदंती). Shakti, Shiva, Krishna, being those forms, how can one be superior to other?
Hare Krishna, Namah Shivaay 🙏
Amogh lila pr is not sanyasi sir , he is a practicing brahmachari
Nityanand ji actually i am born ans brought up in Iskcon and i know that there are thousands of times that the word "demigod" is used but believe me thats not done with an intention of insulting any devtas. If you actually hear Srila Prabhupada's english lectures you will find that Srila Prabhupada is not so perfect in english. He is translating like that because thats what he is aware of. No bad intentions but. Even Iskcon devotees know that in sanskrit it would mean different and hence they take it generally not specifically. Actually if we see in Sanskrit there are terms like "ishwar"(controller), Bhagvan (one with 6 opulences) but english wont have such specific category so he although unintentionally generalized it and put devtas as demigods (inferior category) and bhagvan as Supreme Personality of Godhead. In English it would be just God even for ishwar and God even for Bhagvan. One also has to see the context why he did that. Thats why i say you will have to personally talk to iskcon devotees and not depend on what they say on UA-cam or write on emails or books. I also agree that it creates a confusion amongst people when speaking in public platform but we should know thay Srila Prabhupada's audience was majorly hippies and english people of 1970s who had zero idea of dharma. Srila Prabhupada created a good platform for them and he also told his disciples to learn Sanskrit and make things accurate where needed. Ofcourse we cant change what he has written but we can atleast make people understand his intentions.
Also since you showed the meaning of demigods as offspring of God, from this perspective also there is no harm in calling all devtas as demigods because indeed they are offsprings of Narayan. In his Vishnu sahasra nam bhashya Sripad Adishankaracharya comments of the term "Keshava" from whom Lord Brahma, Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu have come, thus hinting at Lord Krsna being the cause of their existence. The same meaning of Keshava is also there in Mahabharat. Didn't Lord Krsna say in Bhagvad Gita that He is the source of all and everything has emanated from Him- "aham sarvasya prabhavo"? I believe you could have atleast mentioned that his intentions were certainly not negative and it was primarily for his English audience. But you didn't acknowledge what he did for the whole world, on the contrary you just pointed out his technical mistakes which everyone agrees but atleast we all agree that what he did its nearly impossible for anyone to do at such a ripe age and in such a short span of time. Infact he was so dedicated to carry out his guru's orders that even in his last days he was hardly able to speak yet was seen translating the last two cantos of Srimad Bhagavatam. Hardly people know what he did. Everyone wants to simply correct the great acharyas and not see their vision.
Hare Krishna
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
@@kumarakantirava429 this is not contradicting our one pointed worship to Lord Krishna so we accept that statement without any interpretation. For this is also given in Bhagvad Gita that ultimately all paths lead to Krsna only. Now the point is how they lead. If you wish to go on 10th floor of a building ofcourse there are various ways to reach, one is by lift and the other by stairs. The point here is that why would one unnecessarily use stairs to reach when the lift is available. That is not an insult to the stair process. It's just in order to save time and energy one uses lift. We Gaudiya Vaishnavas have never denied such statements, but we are very clear to point out the best way.
Dsnt Lord Krsna Himself state in Bhagvad Gita that the worshipers of various Gods also ultimately worship Him but they do so "avidhipurvakam" (in a wrong way). Also He says that after many many births one comes to the point that Vasudev is all in all or all that exists. Again the thing to be understood is that one is Bhagvan and other are his manifestations. Worshipping manifestations is definitely great so imagine how great it must be in worshipping the direct form of Bhagvan. We have to understand all the statements of all the scriptures in general where required and specifically also where required. Infact the entire Vedic canon focusses on Lord Hari. That's what is even confirmed again in Bhagavad Gita where in Krsna says "vedaish cha sarvair aham Eva vedyo" - It is Me who is to be known through the Vedas. So the shloka that you pointed out is not rejected by us. We wholeheartedly accept it.
@@space.ved108 Where is that Krishna in Vedas & upanishads ?? Bhagwqad Gita is a scripture written for Sudras ( the Duds ! ). If the book written for raascaals is your reference point, God save this world from Duds !!
@@kumarakantirava429 May you realise the actual truth. May you grow up and realise that Bhagavad-Gita is for all.
@@agniswar3 @agniswar3 may the Government of India give you special scholarship to help you study veda vyasa properly. because, the author of Mahabharata ( gita ) himself says that he wrote it for the sudras - the idle talkers.
Shri Ramcharit Manas Lanka Kand.
Shri Ramchandra said:-
_सिव द्रोही मम भगत कहावा। सो नर सपनेहुँ मोहि न पावा॥_
_संकर बिमुख भगति चह मोरी। सो नारकी मूढ़ मति थोरी॥_
“The person who is hostile to Shiva and Calls himself my devotee he cannot attain me even in his dreams.
The one who wants my devotion by turning away from Shankara, is hell-bound, foolish and short-witted.”
Sorry Sir!
There are certainly non translatables in Sanskrit and देवता is one of them. No English word can define देव in one word. Prabhupad's translation may not be perfect but his intent was to transform the society.
Regarding position of Lord Shiva and other devtas, a sampradaya has right to present is view based on shastra. It is not just Bhakti Vedanta Swami Prabhupada. Go read Brihad Bhagavatamrita written by Sanatan Goswami. He has given quotations for the view of all the Gaudiya Vaishnavas.
Here is a quotation from Kulashekhar Alwar from his Mukund Mala stotra from Ramanuj Sampraday.
pṛthvī-reṇur aṇuḥ payāḿsi kaṇikāḥ phalguḥ sphulińgo laghus
tejo niḥśvasanaḿ marut tanutaraḿ randhraḿ su-sūkṣmaḿ nabhaḥ
kṣudrā rudra-pitāmaha-prabhṛtayaḥ kiṭāḥ samastāḥ surā
dṛṣṭe yatra sa tārako vijayate śrī-pāda-dhūli-kaṇāḥ
He says for a devotee once Sri Vishnu is seen suras or devtas become like insect, rudra and Brahma look insignificant.. Well certainly Kulashekhar Alwar did not disrespect the devtas here but it is his nishtha towards Mukunda.
So according to you guys lord shiva is not worth worshipping?? If someone worships God other than Vishnu or Krishna does he or she go to hell as per your ideology?? Kindly present a Non Sectarian answer. And as far as I know Gaudiya Vaishnavs and ISKCON both don't regard Radharani as much as Krishna. They just show her only as a servant of Krishna while there are many stories as how Krishna himself serves the lotus Feet of Radharani. Apparently they disregard each and evey form of Shakti to be subservient to Purusha only!
@@Mekanishka0610who said that? No iskcon devotees will say such things. It's just that he is quoting from works of Sri Sampradaya also. That is done to substantiate the point that every sampradaya promotes their sidhant so what is wrong in that? Isn't it written in Shaiva literatures that Lord Vishnu is a jeeva?
@@space.ved108 That's also wrong. And at the same time Shaiva Puranas like Skanda Puran Glorify Lord Vishnu too. The jeevatma thing is only in Pashupata agama which is highly condemned in Devi Bhagwatam along with some more sectarian agamas.
@@Mekanishka0610 yes agreed but no one can deny that such things are mentioned when faith in one's deity is meant to increase. Such comparisons are not insulting but with a purpose that ordinary people should be educated in those respective knowledges. So is Srila Prabhupada doing. That's what I meant.
@@Mekanishka0610 you can translate word deva in latin it bacame deos as both are from same language family wich still use in catholic prayers in vatican so deva mean god
Keno upanishad के 3.1 मे क्या लिखा है नित्यानंद ji।
ब्रह्म ह देवेभ्यो विजिग्ये तस्य ह ब्रह्मणो विजये देवा अमहीयन्त।
त ऐक्शन्तास्माकमेवायं विजयोऽस्माकमेवायं महिमेति ॥
😊😊यहाँ देव स्वर्ग के देवताओं के लिए ही लिखा है।
🎉🎉🎉🎉और swetaswatar उपनिषद me जो ये मंत्र मे देव आया है वो परब्रह्म ke लिए है। 😊😊😊😊😊😊
😮एको देवः सर्वभूतेषु गूढः सर्वव्यापी सर्वभूतान्तरात्मा।
कर्माध्यक्षः सर्वभूताधिवासः साक्षी चेता केवलो निर्गुणश्च॥
🎉🎉🎉अब आप क्या कहोगे इस पर।
वेद की गूढ़ भाषा को कोई सिर्फ संस्कृत व्याकरण और किताबे पढ़ कर नहीं समझ सकता।
Mlechhasammohnaya certain words were used by Sirla Prabhupada during the translations. I don't think it is that big a deal for us.
Never but people having envy in their heart for ISKCON are making it big deal.
Then change it for Hindus. But they didn't.. so is it only mlechhasammohanaya or sarvasammohanaya? Swasiddhantsthapnarthaya?
@@HinduPhoenix When Lord Vishnu turned Himself into a beautiful dancer did He have to change back for the Devatas? No, the Devatas were smart and literate and the Asuras were completely enamoured. For Asurasammohanaya if Lord Vishnu who is a Paramapurusha becomes a female dancer do you think you have the right to question Him why did He not use some other sammohana strategy. Don't be an idiot and an illiterate like the Asuras. Just drink the Amrit and shut up if you can see through it.
@@Kalesh_enjoyer You people tactfully convert the Devotees of Shiva and Shakti to Vaishnavism by forcing them to worship Krishna. Of course Krishna is supreme in his own way but don't force the believers of deities other than Krishna to worship him. He doesn't demand forceful bhakti like you people preach.
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
in the rigved samhita first translated by h.h wilson and then revised by ravi prakash arya and k.l joshi, they mention that the first meaning of devas in the ancient publications meant scholars. directly saying that devta meant scholars. what would you comment on it?
Iskon is not sanatan. They have created a new religion of their own by borrowing our Hari so that they may gain his unsuspecting followers. Sanatan has a tradition of guru, sadhu, rishi, muni, maharishi, acharya etc. Where did sanatan ever have titles like "his holiness"? Like typical corporate people, they have given themselves some very fancy titles, borrowed our Gita and turned their newly created religion into an abrahamic like monotheistic affair. I saw some videos where they said Hari does not want us to take the name of any other God or Goddess. Since when did Hari become so insecure?
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
Not true.
Please be specific what aspect you think is not 'sanatan'.
Everything ISKCON presents is well in line with shastra.
@@aditshukla Every aspect is a distortion of Sanatan, as aptly demonstrated in this video. To claim that Shiva is a demigod and a follower of Krishna is somehow even remotely comparable to him is absurdity of highest order.
@@NoNonsense_01 That Shri Hari is ParamBhagvan and Shiv, Brahma aadi are anydevta, is an ancient siddhant, present throughout Bharat.
Welcome.
*You can choose to differ from this, thats alright, nothing wrong with that, but to pretend that this concept is something new, that it did not exist before and is some concoction, is childish.*
Vaishnav paramparas have existed since forever.
This gentleman himself is a shishya of Pujya Rambhadracharya Maharaj ji, who comes in the line of Jagadguru Raamaanand Acharya ji, of Shri Sampraday branch which holds Shri RamChandra as Sarveshvar, Sarvaavatari and all other devas as dependent on Him.
@@aditshukla I not going to chase your pointless red herring.
As shown in the video, ISKON deliberately distorts translation of basic Sanskrit words to fool gullible people. Their English translation of Gita is undoubtedly the worst!
Nobody argues that Shiva is a demigod. There may be disagreement between who is the superior deity, but that has nothing to do with whether they are gods in the first place.
Yes I am following iskcon, but it's hurted me many times when I listed lord Shiva,maa Parvati as demigods from preachers from Iskcon..
Hare Krishna hare Krishna Krishna Krishna hare hare hare Ram hare Ram Ram Ram Hare hare.🕉️💦🙏🏼🪷
ॐ नमः शिवाय ॐ 🕉️🙏🏼🪷🔱
Try google translate and know the answer yourself before hurting yourself more हरिॐ😇
Not that there's any evidence of existence of shiva or krishna
@@Pain53924 yeah their is The 5000 year old Ancient Dwarika under the Sea the 5000 year old Jarasandh's Fort of the Mahabharata period in Rajgir but their is no Evidence Of Buddha ever visited India nor the evidence of his Country KAPILVASTU and their is no Evidence Of Jesus nor any one knows when he was born but history is decided by his birth.
@@rameshverma4461 Kapilavastu was invaded and annexed by Prince Virudhaka which bring the downfall of the Shakya clan. This why it no longer exist.
@@rameshverma4461 city under water doesnt mean god existed. Remember extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If i accept what you're claiming then i'll also have to accept that allah exists because kaaba exists.
In trying to attract Christians, they tried to show how similar they are. To some extent they got christianised themselves.
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
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00:00 *📚 The term "demigod" in Sanātana Dharma lacks an equivalent in Sanskrit scriptures, differing interpretations exist.*
01:10 *📖 Sanskrit word "deva" and "Sur" are often translated as "demigods," but debate exists on whether they should be translated as "Gods."*
02:06 *💬 Interpretations of texts like the Bhagavad Gita vary, some translations use "demigods" while others use "Gods" for "deva" and "Sur".*
03:09 *🌟 Some interpretations suggest a hierarchical view among celestial beings, with demigods like Shiva depicted as subservient to devotees of Krishna.*
04:07 *📜 Rituals mentioned in Vedas direct worship towards specific demigods, indicating a belief in their existence and relevance.*
05:00 *🔍 Scriptures categorize demigods into primal and administrative, with Vishnu as chief of the primal demigods and Indra as chief of the administrative.*
07:23 *📚 Various translations of Sanskrit texts differ in translating terms like "demigods," adding complexity to their interpretation.*
10:19 *📚 Sanskrit dictionaries translate "deva" and "Sur" as "Gods" or "Celestial deities," not as "demigods."*
13:34 *📚 Sanskrit provides terms like "Upadeva," "upadevta," "dev-yoni," and "Aadha-deva" for demigods, distinct from "deva" and "Sur."*
16:28 *🎓 Use of "demigod" for terms like "daa" and "Sur" lacks support from Sanskrit dictionaries, causing confusion in interpretation.*
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Which version of the Bhagavad Gita should I read? There are many editions published by different organizations. Is there a particular Shrimad Bhagavad Gita that is considered the most accurate and true?
Sant Jnaneshwar bhasya
We would like Amogh Lila Prabhu of ISKCON to revert to this video for clarifications.
😂😂
@BhupendraKrSingh What revert Indra, Brahma, Shiva are the Angels of God or You can say that they are the Fariste of Allah...😎
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language.
Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English.
Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma.
To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact.
For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram.
Is this abrahamism? No.
I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@aditshukla apki bat sahi hh
@@rameshverma4461 The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
Prabhupāda: The demigods means they are highly advanced than these human beings. They are also living entities like us, but their duration of life, their standard of life, their civilization, spiritual knowledge, so advanced that they are called demigods. Almost God. They are so advanced. Demigods means almost God. They have got all godly qualities, and they are controller of the atmospheric affairs. Some of them are controlling rainy season; some of them controlling heat; some...
The idea is krishna or vishnu is god , supreme above all and others are demigod. Devata are translated as demi-god which is not acurate , as we all know. cuz the idea of demigod is like compition to real god , but prabhupada didn't use word for so. For all vaishnav devatas are the servent of lord hari. Demi gods are respectable.
द्वौ भूत-सर्गौ लोके 'स्मिन्,
देवासुर एव च।
विष्णु-भक्त: स्मृतो देव
असुरस तद -विपर्यय :।।
( पद्म पुराण )
ISKCON fools left the Chat...😂
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language.
Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English.
Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma.
To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact.
For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram.
Is this abrahamism? No.
I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
Some are here😅
@hariharaissame Hari and Hara are not the same Hari is the Supreme God and Hara is the son of Brahma...who married his younger brother Daksha's daughter....Devi Sati
@@rameshverma4461
No Brahma No Vishnu No Shiv.
I think You are Supreme God.
@@hariharaissame तुम हमको कैसे पहचान गए वत्स 😇
Most awaited topic Nityanandji m very thankful and grateful🙏 to you for bringing this fraud of iskon, baps and their likes, younger generation are swayed by them as something hindu but these organisations are involved in soft evangelical activities
Let's focus on devotion rather than arguing about who is supreme. True devotion is based on genuine love and reverence for Lord Shiva or Krishna, regardless of whether they are considered gods. Let's strive to love them beyond debates.
Just call devās as celestial beings.
हार्दिक धन्यावाद आपको 🙏
Very nice episode.
Thank God! Someone mustered up the courage to refute this. 🙏
ua-cam.com/video/CeuvtjjK4jM/v-deo.htmlsi=qXEXMmnozTH_8ncu
Courage to spread misinformation
To get views and to get fame easy to target isckon
@@KrsnaDD97 Mr Mishra has provided all the supporting evidences.
dhanyawaad aapka is video ko bnane ke liye mishra ji
Just imagine going to the Vedic era and claiming Indra to be a Demi God. Pretty sure they'd be pissed
haha 😅 interesting take !
Read the Bhāgavata Purana and see how Indra marks …
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Thank you for enlightening
Iskon version of Bhagvadgeeta is not good. They should have used certain sanskrit words without translation in to English. Like Dharma, Bhagawan, Devas, etc
they have even translated "Karma Yog" as "Bhakti Yog" at all the places
Thereby completely eliminating karma yog from entire Gita
@@Ram_The_Infinitebuddhi ko bhi bhakti kiya hai.. sabko bhakti kar diya hai😂😂
@@HinduPhoenix Bhagwan ke vachano se khilwad karte hue Sharm aani chahiye yr in logo ko 🤦🏻
This"not good" Bhagavad Gita is being distributed in millions and is making thousands come to Sanatana Dharma. On the contrary you or Nityananda are not doing anything
@@harinamamrita sure it is popular and inviting lot of new people into Hinduism
But Popularity doesn't imply authenticity and accuracy
Iskon making their own version of Abrahamic equivalence of Sanatan
This is underrated channel plese help him spread
Thank you for making this enlightening video.
Iskcon वाले नहीं सुधरेंगे. Lord का सही अनुवाद "मालिक" होता हैं. Demigod का अर्थ A half God or Inferior God होता है और एक बहुत ही गंदा अर्थ होता हैं Demigod का। ये एक Poison Pill 💀💀💀💀 है word "Demigod". "मालिक (Lord) " अब्राहमिक God को कहते हैं, हमारे भगवान्, हमारे देवता है, मालिक नहीं।
@poojagupta2588 क्या मूर्खता है भगवान् देवता नहीं होते वैसे भगवद गीता एक मात्र ग्रन्थ है जिसकी व्याख्या करीब करीब भारत के सभी महान विद्वान लोगो ने की है Gandhi ,लाला लाजपत राय , राजेंद्र प्रसाद ,विवेकानंद आदि इसके आलावा Paigambar दयानंद के द्वारा स्थापित नव वैदिक कल्ट के आर्य नमाज़ी भी इसका 6 translation किये है एक बार सबके English Translation को पढ़ ले की देवता का अंग्रज़ी अनुवाद वे क्या किये है ya google kar le और haan एक बात aur hamare वैषणव धर्म में हम अपने भगवान् को अपना मालिक बोले या क्या बोले ये विधर्मी हमे नहीं बताएँगे
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language.
Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English.
Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma.
To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact.
For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram.
Is this abrahamism? No.
I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@rameshverma4461 भगवान् विष्णु को परमपिता परमात्मा ही कहते हैं ना? अब्राहमिक रिलीजन में Creator and Creature is separate from each other. They are different. They are not one in Monotheism. Dualism .
हमारे धर्म में Aatma (आत्मा) is not separate from paramaatma (परमात्मा). Aatma (आत्मा) is inseparable from paramaatma (परमात्मा) "Oneness with Brahman (ब्रह्म)" "Non Dualism".
What is your problem if we use the word 'Lord'? Don't we use the word 'Prabhu'?
@@agniswar3अब्राहमिक रिलीजन के अनुयायियों का (Followers का) मानना है कि " सबका मालिक (Lord) एक ". क्योंकि उनका मालिक सच में एक है बाकी सारे लोग उस मालिक (Lord) के गुलाम (Slave) है। अगर श्री कृष्ण Lord यानी कि मालिक है, तो बाकी सारे देवी - देवता उस मालिक (Lord) के क्या गुलाम (Slave) है? Iskcon वालो के नजर में। अब्राहमिक रिलीजन वालों का तो सिर्फ एक God होता है। इसलिए वो लोग " सबका मालिक एक " कहते रहते हैं, लेकिन हमारे तो बहुत सारे देवी - देवता हैं। और हमें सबका सम्मान भी करना होता है।
मुझे ज्यादा Problem "Demigod " शब्द से है और जब देखो, तब Iskcon वाले इसी "Demigod" शब्द का प्रयोग करते रहते है, श्री कृष्ण को सारे देवी - देवताओं से Superior दिखाने के लिए।
Thanks for these useful insights.
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Jai Shri Ram. Brilliant mahodaya❤
Is it necessary to translate, nouns, especially collective nouns, to english,
Like translating RAAKSHAS, YAKSH, DEVTA, ASURS,etc?
To those decrying ISKCON or it's translation... some in the comment section have even dared to go to an extent of saying no 1 takes ISKCON English translated Bhagwat Gita seriously... to them I would like to say you do not belong to any desciplic succession of any 1 of the 4 primary bonafide school of Vedanta because if you did you wouldn't say such nonsensical things.
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For the 1st time I have found Shri Nityananda Mishra ji's understanding and translation both incorrect. Infact the Rig Ved sukta you read substantiated ISKCON stand no matter how Indian translators may have translated it.
For Devas can be best translated as Demi Gods in English and there are numerous reasons for doing so. The most essentially ingredient of translation 1 cannot forget or completely overlook is the fact there is no concept of English equivalent of the Dharmic understanding of Devas.
The word God in English or in the Christian west means the Supreme. Only the Supreme is called God. If Devas is translated as God in English the purport of Shrimad Bhagwat Gita itself will be lost in English language and to the Western audience.
Indra, Bramha and Shiva aren't or the rest of others besides ofcourse Bhagwan Krishna/ Vishnu / Narayana is the Supreme Absolute Truth and the Supreme Personality of Godhead as conveyed in Shrimad Bhagwat Gita so for right context and explanation of the Shrimad Bhagwat Gita, the others have to be called as Demi God in English for English context because the God in Shrimad Bhagwat Gita is only Bhagwan Krishna. Period!
Just because you know the language, Sanskrit, Nityanand ji doesn't make you an expert on any Sanatan Vedic Grantha. It makes you no more an expert on the subject than an English professor is of Chemistry or Physics or Rocker Science even if the subjects maybe explained in the book in English yet an English professor would be completely out of his depth to be able to explain any of the concepts of Chemistry or physics or rocket science... why because the English professor completely lacks the required domain knowledge... just like you do.
When you translate any Granth in a language you have to translate it in such a way that you are able to convey the purport of ( e.g. here) of Srimad Bhagwat Gita without any compromise but also in a way that makes perfect sense to the English western audience in their civilizational context.
Not translating Devas as God is essential to proper translation and explanation of Shrimad Bhagwat Gita. Otherwise if there are so many Gods, which means everyone is Supreme... is a completely wrong interpretation of all and any Sanatan Vedic Grantha.
This is why it is crucial to under go a proper disciplic succession from 1 of the 4 bonafide Sampradaya of Vedantic school of thought... English translation of the word Sampradaya.
Your knowledge on the subject is clearly toe deep. Also those who translated Devas as God either don't know the meaning of God and what the Word represents in the English / Western Christian template or were simply lacking proper understanding of Shrimad Bhagwat Gita if you ask me the former would most likely be the case . I wish Nityanand ji you had read the commentary of Madhava or Ramanuja or Nimbarka, the 6 Goswami's of Vrindavan or Shri Baladevan Vidyabhushan transliteration work on Shrimad Bhagwat Gita before dashing out such unfounded and vile comments on ISKCON's Shrimad Bhagwat Gita. I am stunned to see such puerile comments coming from someone like you & I say this without any intent to patronize.
To those who object to ISKCON... pls know this ISKCON totally belongs to Bramha Madhav Gaudiya Sampradaya 1 of the original 4 Vedantic School of thoughts and authorities on the subject of Sanatan Vedic Dharma as per shastras. So when you comment on it 1st gain the prerequisite domain knowledge of things. These 4 Sampradaya as per Shastras are the only bonafide authorities of Sanatan Vedic Dharma. You can challange A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada but 1st go gain some domain knowledge on the subjects.
Ye original core understanding of Sanatan Vedic Grantha hai as conveyed by Maharishi Vyas. Baki kya kisne perd ker samjha or kya serial dekha cannot be called bonafide or authoritative.
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I agree completely.
Agree 100%! Superb response. Word translations are a by-product of translating the meaning of the book and not vice-versa. Without understanding the essential purport of the book what use are your word-translations. What use is an english dictionary to a student of chemistry or rocket science as you have pointed out.
That's a lot of words for being wrong. It appears Iskon people are more attached to Prabhupada than the actual texts 🤭
No it's not wrong because everyone is supreme, as premanand ji maharaj once said that Durga ji is the 1/1000th part of Shrimati Radha. Then Devi bhakts got a little upset so he said for everyone who believes in Devi, Devi is supreme and at the top and no other god or goddess is near to them. Similarly one who believes in lord Shiv, for them Lord Shiva is the supreme more than Vishnu, Ram, Krishna. Because in the Shiv Puran it says Shiva is supreme, in Bhagvatam Krishna is supreme and in Devi Bhagwat Devi is supreme. So does that mean there is a confusion? No, not at all this is the beauty of our Sanatan Dharma that it respects everyone's choices, for those who believe in Krishna, for them Krishna is supreme, for those who believe in Adi Shakti she is supreme and same for Bhagwan Shiv. There is no one 'greater' 'stronger', these discussions are so stupid and it looks like kids are fighting over Captain America and Iron Man. I was shocked to listen to ISKCON's explanation of why Krishna is supreme. Shiv ji meditates on Shri Vishnu, Shri Vishnu meditates on Shiv Ji, it's just a Leela to show us that everyone out different roops of the one Brahman. In Shiv Puran it is said that Shiv Ji gave the Sudarshan chakra to Vishnu but there is a whole different story in Vishnu Puran that is to provide different situations for bhaktas, by this Shiv Bhaktas can understand Shiv is supreme and Hari Bhaktas can understand Vishnu is supreme. There is no fight going on between them, I see real kaliyuga when I see people fighting with each other over the supremacy of Shiva and Vishnu. In the Garuda Puran it's written that if a Hari Bhakta practices rituals, jaap, good karma but if he disrespect Shiv Ji, they will have to face the consequences in nark and same for Shiva devotees who disrespect Hari. Come on, in the Devi Bhagwat it says Vishnu meditates on Durga Ji all the time. This is the Leela of the bhagwan, he respects the feelings of every Bhakta. Stop fighting!
Like aatma word is used for both jeevaatma and parmatma in different places in ved upanishads. Similarly Dev word is used for demigods and God.
But in realty there is only God and all are his menifestations. There are both type of verses in ved upanishads.
एको देवः सर्वभूतेषु गूढः सर्वव्यापी सर्वभूतान्तरात्मा।
कर्माध्यक्षः सर्वभूताधिवासः साक्षी चेता केवलो निर्गुणश्च॥
Like here dev is used for parbrahm .
🎉for a ordinary person with 3 virtues of maya it is impossible to translate the ved mantras in their correct sense.
We should only depend on the writings of God realized personalities sants.
Ved says there is only brahm which is sanatan.
Ved also says there is jeev and brahm and both are sanatan अज.
वेद also says there are ब्रह्म jeev maya. All three are अज अज अजा.....all are सनातन.
🎉🎉sabhi sahi हैं aur इसी कारण ऐक vedant darshan पर इतने अलग अलग व्याख्यान है जो सभी सही है।
🎉समझाने का तरीका बस अलग अलग है बस भगवान में मन लगना चाहिए। ॐॐॐ
Even Shiv Ji is shown as inferior to a devotee of Lord Hari
What nonsense ISKCON is
Devotees of both the Lords are as equal as Harihara.... Iskcon is a blot on Sanatan dharma.
@@Mekanishka0610 true
@@Ram_The_Infinite Do you know what is written in BG 2.62 Commentary of ISKCON??? Utter disgusting!
@@Mekanishka0610 what?
@@Ram_The_Infinite The Commentary on The 62nd Verse of Chapter 2 of Bhagwad Gita of Iskcon insults Lord Shiva and Maa Parvati. I was heavily offended when i saw that portion!
Videos of Mishraji are usually informative except few like this.
He could not give any good eng word for devta.
Hinduism is seen polytheistic religion because wrongly deva are considered as The God.
Its like using official word for President to Peon.
Logic of Upadevta, ardhadevta etc is like saying there are post of deputy officer, junior officer etc so Manager should be translated as CEO.
Command of subject one doesn't get by getting book and dictionary.
Mishraji is good in literature that doesn't mean he will become expert of all vedic subjects.
Just like knowing English and getting a medicine book doesn't make one a doctor.
I see translations are genius work of Prabhupada.
Demigod is such a good word for devas. Just lesser God. Super. What more better word can anyone suggest for devtas?
Devatas = Divinities .
Prabhupaad's translation deceives the intent of Krishna. It's the w0rst of all the translations.
This attitude of ISCKON's will destroy themselves..krishna is watching ISCKON's fake bhakti ..
@user-ge9nk5sj6m Nope they are Doing what Krishna taught them about himself in the Bhagavad Gita - THE Light of TRUTH and They are spreading the light of truth everywhere....LONG LIVE ISCKON 🚩🚩🚩LONG LIVE PRABHUPADA -THE GREAT VAISHNAV SAINT🚩🚩🚩
@@rameshverma4461 brainwashed spotted 🤣
No ofcourse not. I can sense enough vakti in iskcon... It's only a translation problem. At early age of Hinduism in west. And as a devotee of the bhagawan you should never ever mock one's Bhakti
@@rameshverma4461 My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
Temples are increasing, devotees are increasing, books are increasing, so called Hindus are leaving Pooja, going to temple, reading Bhagavad Geeta etc. Wake up and give up arrogance and read Bhagavad Geeta
I follow Yatarth Geeta. And they described demi-gods as attendants of Kuber. It is publicly available on internet.
Thank you exposing deliberate distortion
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
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What i want to say... Shiva is not devata.... Devatas just gave him the title " mahadev ".... He is well respected by danaava s as well
ISKCON is like a curse for Sanatan Dharma, as it attempts to change its fundamental principles and seems to be succeeding in today's time. This is very distressing.
Please ek video Hanuman ji ke upar banaiye! Kya wah bandar the ya manushya??
iskCON is abrahamising Sanatana Dharma in missionary mode to make it palatable to their western converts. It would be much appreciated if Nityananda Mishra Ji were to do an exhaustive critique of their ideology, showcasing flaws in their understanding and particularly pointing out the interpolations, liberties taken in translation of sacred vedic texts (most important being Bhagwd Gita, Bhagwat Purana) in English. Sadly the English medium educatied youth often turns to their english publications and gets indoctrinated.
@PrachandParshuram Well in the ancient time before Jesus the christian and till MUHAMMAD was Alive muslims were Santanis....
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language.
Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English.
Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma.
To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact.
For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram.
Is this abrahamism? No.
I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@aditshukla Any parampara creating schisms by going against and slandering the Shruti (Vedas) itself by demoting and denigrating the holy trinity which are but 3 aspects of the essential 1 Parabrahman must be condemned, refuted unequivocally. It's absolutely unacceptable to fit Shiva in their cosmo-theological scheme of things as a Demi God who is actually not particularly regarded. Sure there will be differences in lineages of the various acharyas even within Vaishnavism. But there should be no tolerance for sectarian chauvinism even if one ardently taken to a particular darshan, lineage.
The special case of iskCON is not comparable to examples given by you. Perhaps you are unaware of the kind of people both within India and abroad who massively funding the proselytization activities of iskCON particularly targeting the youth and demographic effects this will have on the very perpetuation of the Hindu community itself what to say of the plurality of sects within the Sanatana fold. It is very evident for anyone who has gone to Mayapur and seen the Orthodox Christian temple architecture itself let alone activities and the kind crowd there that the organisation is very much modelled along the missionaries of the Christian Church. Compare glitzy highly commercial iskCON with restaurants and shops to the original humble Gaudiya Math in its Spiritual purity.
I myself have almost all of iskCON's publications related to our core scriptures be it the Vedas, Upanishads and Puranas. I'm not aware if you have read, studied under guidance of a Guru, attending Bhagvath Saptah etc. the pinnacle of Vyasa's writings - Srimad Bhagvat Puran. This comes in an exhaustive 18 encyclopedic book set from iskcon and compared it with say MLBD or other indology focussed publications to note the significant departures in word by word meaning followed by interpretation. There was a time when invaders used to poison the wells to ethnically cleansed the natives, today they poison the stories.
The Hinduphobic urban naxxxals now have been cleverly targeting Hindus by promoting their own warped understanding of Sanatana Dharma be it through Ivy League Professor authored books or having a Devdutt Pattnaik type Pharma sales and marketing Rep's turned "mythologist" running their own narrative. As if it wasn't enough to change the civilizational history of Hindus now even their beliefs are being subtly and cunningly changed by anyone and everyone who on basis of academic or financial credentials can get published in the mainstream.
Bottomline is Spirituality is about actual experience and not arm chair intellectual entertainment. If one must read spiritual books then one should always have a critical thinking mind and skepticism for anything written or said by anyone who is not a truly Brahmanishtha commentator like for example the rare Bhagwan Ramana Maharshi or Swami Shivananda who can't be compared with Max Muller and the like.
@@rameshverma4461 True be it Yazidi's (Ya Siddhi's) of Syria, converted Christians of Armenia to the Danish people of Scandinavia to people of Arctic as per Tilak and not forget the Romani gypsy people now scattered all over the world they have Sanatana roots. Interestingly chosen people of the God of Abraham (Brahma?) and his consort Sarah (Saras-wati?) have a Jewish temple in Pushkar of all places. For Zoroastrians the Dieva's are the evil ones while the Ahura's (S replaced with H) are divine. Sadguru has found ancient consecrated Shiva Linga's in Turkey to Greece.
Whatever be the case this civilizational memory has been systematically erased by Islamists and Christian missionaries the world over.
@@PrachandParshuram The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
Oh my God.. What kind of exercise are been offering. It's a disruptive kind.. We all respect all the humanly efforts given for the needful by the people presenting this knowledge.. But can todays young generation who are very practical and having scientific knowledge and evidence on science books.. Do they believe such explanations.
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Hare Krishna❤
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
Well ,i think its may be just translation inaccuracies ......
As a non-isconite it do not feels like a deliberate attempt to create false narration !!!!
Iskon walo ne dusre Bhagwan ke liye koi upshbd to nahi kahe h aj tak??? intention to galat nahi lagti but yes given the stature of the organisation ,steps for responsible tranlation must be taken ....after all it is the about our "sanatan dharma"❤
1. Srimad Bhagawatam Prabhupaad Translation : - .1.2.11 " Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān ""
2. The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play.
actually they do i will record them next time i go there
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
@@kumarakantirava429 no no ,its not waste of time ,i read yr complete comment , yr criticism is worth pondering for both iskonites & noniskonites .......... 😇
can you please make video on the word shudra... and also about the varna system which is misrepresented by many.
Shudra is derived from the words shuk (sorrow) and dra (melt). One who melts at other's sorrows is a Shudra. It is a basic quality for every human being, as said by Sri Madhvāchārya. Due to this quality, the people of the fourth varna are also called so, since they provide service to society, which requires Shudratva.
द्वौ भूत-सर्गौ लोके ऽस्मिन् दैव आसुर एव च
विष्णु-भक्तः स्मृतो दैव आसुरस् तद्-विपर्ययः
पाठान्तर
द्विविधो भूतमार्गोयं दैव आसुर एव च |
विष्णुभक्तिपरो दैवो विपरीतस्तथासुरः ||
~ Caitanya Caritāmṛta Ādi 3.91 [अग्नि-पुराण ३८३.१२ ]
So this theory is acceptable in the Gaudiya Sampradaya only under the constraint of calling the devas, demigod.
I hope Śrīmān Nityānanda will look upon this.
5:26
So why they say it openly offending the devotees of other gods??
It's one of those "lost" references, hence, can't be accepted at all. This is probably a made up verse attributed to Padma Purana by Gaudiya writers. Instances like these are found throughout Chaitanya Charitamrita.
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
तस्मात् सुनियतैर्भाव्यं वैष्णवं मार्गमास्पदम्।।
दुर्ल्लभं वैष्णवत्वं हि त्रिषु लोकेषु सुन्दरि।।८७।।
जन्मान्तरसहस्रेषु समाराध्य वृषध्वजम् ।।
वैष्णवत्वं लभेत् कश्चित्सर्वपापक्षये सति ।। ८८।। [वराहपुराणम् अध्यायः २११]
This is purport of the Supposed Panchayatana worship in Padma purana. THis Krama mukti, (shakta < Saura < Ganpatya < Shaiva < Vaishanava) < Shuddha Sampradayik Vaishnava.
@@andromedaxinsearchofanewho210 🤣😂
I got into debate with a iskon people and he said we say shiva as demigod cuz there is no good English word for representing status of shiva
My Final reference will be to show how Prabupada failed in understanding Krsna. In Sydney, On April 1972, Prabupada says "Krsna will be proved Imperrfect & ISKCON will be proved B0gus if ISRO/NASA can land on the Moon " !! Not jsut this one statement, a full Book has been published on Prabupaad's comments on Moon !! He said He will Pr0ttest against ISRO-NASA if they claim they landed on the Moon !! When India Landed on the Moon, every ISKCON congratulated ISRO for proving ISKCON as B0gus !! So, his understanding is just B0gus !!
if you have not done proper reaserch on a subject, you need not c0mment. Did NASA/ISRO ever say that they are going to Chandra Loka ?? No. They just reached teh Moon in our Night Sky. Prabupaada relied on Bhagawatam to say, the Moon of our Night Sky is 3 Crore Miles and Not 3 Lakh miles and hence cannot be reached by Rocket !! Prabupada never differentiated between Chandraloka & Moon. A full book has been Published collecting all such comments-writings of Prabupada . Prabhupaad did not even look into the book published by his own guru bhakti sidhanta about moon distance.
" in 1790, war broke out between the Vaishnavite sadhus and the Shaivite, claimed the lives of 12,000 people."
What do you think is the reason for this? False teachings.
Our country has had vi0llence in the name of Siva & Visnu.
Prabupaad added more fuel.
2. In Srimad Bhagawatams 8/10/38 commentary he continues to criticize NASA/ISRO on the Moon distance issues without ever bothering to consider how the NASA/ISRO measurements coincide with the Surya Sidhanta. if Prabupaad had done a basic survey of Indian Astronomical Sciences, he would have at least read his own Guru's publication on Astronomical Sciences.
Commentaries on our scriptures require more diligence and should be holistic.
3. His interpolations on Bhagawatam is sab00-taging our sastra and we should pr0t-est against it at all costs. He cannot cast his philosophy to Bhagawata. He should recite only what the Bhagawatam says.. Example : - Bhagawatam has this beautiful verse , " Brahma, Shiva , Visnu are the Different Symbols given to "my actions" of Creations, preservation & annihil ". Go and see how Prabupaad messes this up by inserting "Demigods like Shiva" !! In the same flow, Bhagwata says, " Anyone who differentiates between Visnu-Shiva-Brahma " are ign0rant & bound to Narak". See how Prabupaad subverts this verse.
4. If you guys take care of these N0n-sense, I will consider myself privileged with more time to mind my own business.
It's really waste of time to keep commenting. I finsih my commenting. GoodBye.
To those interested in the truth: No translation is perfect. Each author belonging to a sampradāya translates with the larger context or wordview (darśana) in mind. Though we can find flaws with the translations of any ācārya, we don't do it out of respect. Sometimes, a word like 'demigod' is employed to contrast with the primary deity of a tradition/sampradāya. Decontextualizing a term automatically sets itself up for ambiguity -- in short, text without context is meaning-less or worse, misleading.
From a scholarly viewpoint: Saṁskṛta words (deva, dharma, śraddhā, etc.) are best used as they are without translating. To address the usage of the word 'demigod', we need some context. Gauḍīya-vaiṣṇavism, to which ISKCON belongs, holds Kṛṣṇa as the highest form of divinity & that devas appear from Him. The basis is the Bhagavad-Gītā. In 10.2, Kṛṣṇa mentions 'na me viduḥ suragaṇāḥ... aham ādir hi devānām': The suras/devas or great ṛṣis don't really know My origin, for I am their very origin in all respects. Further, Kṛṣṇa explicitly differentiates the devatas from Himself (7.23) by mentioning devān deva-yajo yānti mad-bhaktā yānti mām api. He clearly mentions of his unrivaled preeminence as the origin of everything: aham sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ saravam pravartate (10.8). Thus, when Kṛṣṇa is viewed as the pre-eminent God, then His empowered representations like the devatas are contrasted as gods or demigods. Thus, deva-deva conveys the same sense of hierarchy when translated either as 'god of the gods' or 'the Lord of the demigods'.
Nityānanda ji, before critiquing, one needs to be well-versed with the sampradāya, else the pūrva-pakṣa-jñana (knowledge of the opposition) remains incomplete, rendering arguments demi-scholarly or baseless at worst. There are references for other points on the definition of devas as those who are devoted to viṣṇu, etc. from sāmpradāyika texts like caitanya-caritāmṛta [viṣṇu-bhaktaḥ smṛto daivaḥ].
I hope and pray that we all progress toward the objective truth in our subjective ways.
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
@@kumarakantirava429 Correct, provided the worshippers do it the right way. Usually not many do it the right way by seeing the devata as representation of Kṛṣṇa. This is why Kṛṣṇa cautions such worship by the use of the word aviddhi-pūrvakam [Bhagavad-Gītā 9.23]
येऽप्यन्यदेवता भक्ता यजन्ते श्रद्धयान्विता: |
तेऽपि मामेव कौन्तेय यजन्त्यविधिपूर्वकम् ||
O son of Kunti, even those devotees who faithfully worship other gods also worship Me. But they do so by the wrong method.
@@chaitanyap5677 Even Krsna can be worshipped in wr0ng ways. Misinterpreting his scriptures by Prabhupaad is the ebst example.
@@kumarakantirava429 Kṛṣṇa can be worshipped in wrong ways, but that’s not the wrong representation of form being talked about - the difference is clear if we don’t choose to digress. The points previously made precisely illustrate [exclusively based on the Bhagavad-Gītā] on how the choice of the word demigod is reasonable within a sāmpradāya where the devatas are seen as partial/demi representations of the primary deity. Prabhupāda is exemplary in teaching Kṛṣṇa’s message even at the age of ~80 years to people who were far from Vedic culture. He’s like a grandfatherly figure, and is certainly respected like eminent ācāryas of sanātana dharma, of course only by people who follow dhārmic values like the PM who has also acknowledged openly.
@@chaitanyap5677 N0nsense. early morning I should spend my time in argumentation. There is NO Krsna in vedas - upanishads. Bhagawad gita was a Book written for Sudras, as said by vyasa himself. When Vuasa systemayised the Philosophy of Vedanta in Vedanya Sutras, he did not even care to mention a Krsna or a visnu. Pls dont wast my time
इशांत का क्या अर्थ होता है?
Thanks for clarification
Even the bhagwatam says vishnu bhakto bhaved daivah.
As there was ni english word for daivtas earlies in English dictionary, the demigod is been taken
Iskcon personals deadly need this video 😊😊
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language.
Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English.
Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma.
To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact.
For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram.
Is this abrahamism? No.
I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
Jaya Shri Rama prabhu,
I understand your concern about using the word 'demigod' for Devas because it means Greek half-human half God . However, anyone who is part of ISKCON, never thinks of Devas like the Greek counterparts. Instead, they know Devas to be those living entities who are neither free from influence of time, nor are like humans. So why should we dwell on this issue if the intended meaning is understood?
Srila Prabhupāda uses different word for Devas. This means that he was only trying to find the best English counterpart for the Saṃskṛta word. In his early work (Gītā), he uses demigod as his English-speaking disciples tell that this is the word closest to Deva in English. Later, he also uses the English word God & Saṃskṛta word Īśvara for them, for example in Shrimad Bhagwatam:
“The Sanskrit word īśvara(controller) conveys the import of God, but the Supreme Person is called the parameśvara, or the supreme īśvara. The Supreme Person, or parameśvara, is the supreme conscious personality, and because He does not derive any power from any other source, He is supremely independent. In the Vedic literatures Brahmā is described as the supreme god or the head of all other gods like Indra, Candra and Varuṇa, but the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam confirms that even Brahmā is not independent as far as his power and knowledge are concerned.”
So this 'demigod' controversy seems to be more of a misunderstanding. Hopes you understand the condition, the intent & the bhāva of Prabhupāda.
Jaya Shri Ram 🙏
No ISKCON harmed in this video😂
What is indisputed is that English is an imperfect language. In earlier times, the divide between the West and the East was wide. Thus attempts were made to make the West understand the tenets of Sanatan Dharma in this imperfect language.
Now that this divide has gone lesser, what we must do is gradually sanskritise English.
Another important thing I would like to address. There are some people who are aggressively trying to portray ISKCON to be 'abrahamising' Dharma.
To all such people: please don't be a close minded fool. The idea of Vishnu-paramatva is ANCIENT, not some new invention. If you disagree with it, you may and put forward your parampara. But this false narrative of the idea of Vishnu-paramatva being something new and 'abrahamic' is unfair. Mature adherents of Sanatan Dharma will not resort to such childish accusations. Dont listen to immature people on net who don't unerstand this simple fact.
For that matter, Shri Nityanand ji is a disciple of Shripad Rambhadracharya ji, coming in line of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya ji. In their Sampraday, Shri Ram is 'Sarvaavatari Sarveshvar'. Shri Ram is the Supreme Personality, origin of even Narayan and Krishna. All devtas are subordinate to Shri Ram.
Is this abrahamism? No.
I repeat, you are free to put your own parampara forward, but false narratives are a sign of malice and dishonesty.
@@aditshukla The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
Just you should try to understand that in English for the word deva there is no meaning other than God,
So foe the people outside India who do not know anything about Indian culture/ sanathan, the difference between Parmeshwar and Dev was explained to them by Sri Prabhupada Ji by this word demigod amd for parmeshwar he used god... Haters gonna hate butwe will praise srila Prabhupada ji 🙏🏻🙌🏻
Iskcon is trying to abrahamize sanatan Dharma which is misleading. Foreigners falls in that trap very easy but now a days Indians also fall for this. They always try to show lord Vishnu as superior which is not as per sashtra.
If you want to preach outside of the boundaries of Bharat for hinduism to grow, then you have to be like Iskcon rather than karpatri type orthodox trads who wants the civilization to remain just within the limited home boundaries and exclusively for the upper castes only
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 bro i don't have problem with them I just highlighted the problem. And I also want sanatan to spread throughout the world but I want true essence of sanatan to be spread not distorted one. BTW we are sanatani at least now don't divide on the basis of caste . Thanks
@@Raj.r2 hindus were always divided on castes. The trads folks like Shankaracharyas keep on promoting this traditional orthodox notion and they deliberately supports it too. Seems like you are unaware of them
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 bro I know we were divided but now we have to be united otherwise you can see the conversion. It's high time for us to promote our sanatan.
@@Raj.r2 hindus are still not united, both soft and hard casteism still exists as well as untouchability too. Trads folks due to the traditional orthodox caste system don't really want the heterodox hindutva movement to succeed since it is uniting Hindus by annihilating the varna, jati and caste which Savarkar had dreamt. But still hindus revere casteist fellows like the shankaracharyas
Hello Sir,
What is meaning of Name Neeva? Many say it is foundation, some say river narmada.
bee and fly. bee will always sit on flower even in midst of dirt. fly will always sit on little dirt even in midst of a big beautiful garden. nityananda ji is acting like a house fly here.
So Madam you mean to say that Lord Vishnu Shiva Maa Adishakti and Lord Ganesha are "dust" in front of Your "supreme personality of godhead" Krishna??
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
O conqueror of wealth, there is no truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread. gita 7.7.
Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures. 7.20
I am in everyone’s heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship some demigod, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity. 7.21 (So Krsna only gives these puranas glorifying devatas to make those devotees faith steady. however there is a catch that Krsna explains later)
Endowed with such a faith, he endeavors to worship a particular demigod and obtains his desires. But in actuality these benefits are bestowed by Me alone. 7.22
Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet. 7.23
ye 'py anya-devatā-bhaktā
yajante śraddhayānvitāḥ
te 'pi mām eva kaunteya
yajanty avidhi-pūrvakam
Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me, O son of Kuntī, but they do so in a wrong way. ( so here is the catch - worshippers of devatas worship Krsna only but avidhi purvakam - in a wrong way). same translation can be seen in most popular translations like gita press.
so Krsna created many devi devatas and scriptures glorifying them because not all have nature of worshipping Krsna. Krsna devotee is very rare as mentioned in gita 7.3 and further below in 7.19
After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.
no disrespect for any devi devata is intended. they are all assistants and devotees of Bhagwan Sri Krsna and very much respectable for all.
Yes. 😂😂😂😂😂 @@Mekanishka0610
I wanted to know the origin of bramha, vishnuji and mahesh. How are the related to ब्रम्ह ans shiv and vishnu
सभी सनातन विद्यार्थीगण से प्रार्थना है कि अपने शास्त्रों को केवल हिंदी या किसी भी भारतीय भाषा जैसे मराठी, गुजराती, बंगला...में पढ़ें पर कभी भी,भूल कर भी इंग्लिश या यूरोपियन भाषाओं में नहीं पढ़ें।
हिन्दी अनुवाद में इतने संस्कृत शब्द होते है कि उनको समझने के लिए संस्कृत शब्दकोश की आवश्यकता होती है।
@@sauryangupta4628nhi apki Hindi kamjor hai fir toh...
Actually His Divine Grace Bhakti Vedanta Swami just translated the commentries written by previous acharya in deciplic sucession and he wanted to not get confused about having so many gods and in bhagwatam lord Krishna is above all god thats why he does so he had done so much contribution to mankind you cannot even dream of please do thorough research before trying to demine someone he knows and respect lord shiva more than any of us the amount of sacrifices he maid he simply wanted to please his guru felt so bad that knowledge makes people emotionless and mannerless
nityananda ji is a brilliant example of how half knowledge is dangerous. neem hakeem khatara - e - jaan.
The Uttara Khanda of Padma Purana has a beautiful reference to Panchayatana puja. Bhagavan Krishna says the following to Satyabhama in the 88th Chapter :
शैवाः सौराश्च गाणेशा वैष्णवाः शक्तिपूजकाः ।
मामेव प्राप्नुवंतीह वर्षांभः सागरं यथा ॥ ४३ ॥
एकोऽहं पंचधा जातः क्रीडयन्नामभिः किल ।
देवदत्तो यथा कश्चित्पुत्राद्याह्वाननामभिः ॥ ४४ ॥ ( 6.88.43-44)
Bhagvan says to Satyabhama , "As rain-water reaches the ocean, so also, the worshippers of Shiva,Surya,Ganesha,Vishnu and Shakti attain me. I am one, yet manifest in five ways. As one Devadatta is addressed in many ways, so also, I am called variously owing to my play. "
@aditshukla @aditshukla Srimad Bhagawatam Prabhupaad Translation : - .1.2.11 " Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān ""
Haan bhai abhi aapke channel ka wait rahega jaha par aap brahm gyaan baatoge😂