Runway incursion and rejected takeoff. Boeing 737 MAX 8 enters active runway at Washington. Real ATC
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
18-APR-2024. A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 (B38M), registration N8710M, performing flight SWA2937 / WN2937 from Washington Reagan National Airport, DC (USA) to Orlando International Airport, FL (USA) was cleared to taxi to the runway 1. On their taxi route the airplane was cleared to cross runway 4. Meanwhile a JetBlue Airways Embraer ERJ-190 (E190), registration N323JB, flight JBU1554 / B61554 from Washington Reagan National Airport, DC (USA) to Boston Logan International Airport, MA (USA) was waiting for takeoff clearance on runway 4. When Southwest 2937 was approaching runway 4, JetBlue 1554 was cleared for take-off. As the SWA2937 crossed the hold short line the Ground controller instructed them to stop. Meanwhile the Tower controller stopped JetBlue 1554. As it was reported the Southwest stopped about 40 meters/130 feet past the hold short line.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 Southwest 2937 starts taxi
00:47 JetBlue 1554 starts takeoff
01:03 STOP. STOP. STOP
01:50 Southwest 2937 continues taxi
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Washington Tower, Possible controller deviation, I got a number for you to call. Advise when ready to copy.
Anyone remember when this comment used to be funny?
Nah, she said to give way to AA left to right and then cross the runway. 00:28
@@SlowishLiving The AA was on the taxiway not on the runway. You seem to be confusing them with JetBlue...
@@BlueSkyUp_EU yes, I see that now.
This is why, in most countries, Tower are the only ones to give rwy crossing clearances. Acft are asked to contact tower holding short
I never thought about that before, but that makes a lot of sense.
He was cleared to cross runway 4..
Yes. As I was listening, I was wondering why the authorization was given a bit early.
ATC: cross at 4
Pilot readback: cleared to cross at 4
No comment or correction from ATC. I'm not a pilot, but it sounds like they got clearance and confirmed it.
Yeppir! That's what you get when controllers are hired by *Diversity, Equity and Inclusion* and not raw talent. Its a growing trend for the cockpits as well. That's what 8 years of nObamba did for airline safety.
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 What do you mean? Do you know the controller who gave clearance to cross runway 4? Are you able to justify your opinion?
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890yikes dude, what a horrid opinion.
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 You trumpists really don't know how anything works?
Why is it every time anything happen, some body always want to make it political?
It must realy suck to live those peoples lives.
Southwest was 100% cleared to cross at 4. This was a mess up from ATC where Ground didn't know what Tower was up to (who cleared JetBlue to take off).
One controller telling one plane "cleared to cross", and another controller telling the other plane "cleared for take off". Left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
Controllers will be yelled at by their supervision.
Speculation is that the controller is a trainee and infrequently used Runway 4 departure may have contributed
@@CS819 You must have situational awareness at all times. He will never forget to check his ground traffic again.
This has nothing to do with a Boeing max 8. *EDITED* I'm dumb, all the titles are like this, nothing to see here
I know about that. And i didn't want to make any kind of misunderstanding. But this is the style i make titles here. You may look through the videos on the channel. Thank you for your comment.
@@YouCanSeeATC You know what...you are totally correct. My sincere apologies. A lot of clickbait out there these days, I shouldn't jump to conclusions. Thumbs upped. Thank you for your kind reply.
@@cbrad22 Turns out all their titles have the aircraft type. My bad!
Thanks 👍
Cleared to cross Runway 4.
DEI hires
ATC at fault. Not Max . Not pilots
Ouch...another -
"We have a phone number for you to call. Advise when ready to copy."
It would be nice if there could be an integration with RAAS that could alert pilots on a runway if someone crosses a stop bar associated with it. That could save a couple seconds from where it alerts ATC and ATC gets the stop command out. Obviously would involve upgrades and development to get the two systems not designed to talk to each other to communicate effectively, but it could be something to aim for in the future as another redundancy.
They can't really do that for planes on the ground I'd imagine without them being too heavy.
JFK already has ASDE-X (Airport Surface Detection Equipment, Model X) for the controllers' situational awareness.
Which 35 US Major airports have. It's probably what alarmed them in the first place.
@@trilight3597 I wasn't really thinking anything by way of additional equipment. The existing stop bar sensors for the airport already say "hey someone's crossing" to ATC. If it had a way to also send that data to the planes, which would at most just need an additional receiver, then the plane could have its software look at information it's already receiving from RAAS. If the stop bar signal is associated with the runway the airplane is lined up with, an audible warning could sound
@@JDrapic That might require another frequency to be dedicated for the technology. If you wanted it to be automatic, that's more possible interference on the ground (Assuming it'll be same for all airports). I don't think RAAS communicates outside the aircraft and gets most of it's information from a database but I could be wrong. I see where you are coming from but I don't see it happening. Maybe you could allow RAAS to access ASDE-X since these incidents seem to happen at these airports. But I think these issues are also on an over reliance on these systems when they're a safety net not a "safety bed" to sleep on.
This could easily been another Pico Tenerife disaster. Those who don't know the story look it up. The biggest disaster in aviation history.
If they were cleared to cross, would it still be a "runway incursion" as the title says?
And how is the aircraft type relevant enough to place it in the title? Does it help with CTR?
Yes, it would be, just not their fault.
Nah, she said to give way to AA left to right and then cross the runway. 00:28
Pilot read back incorrectly.
@@SlowishLiving The AA isn't the plane on the runway. She is talking about a plane that isn't shown in the animation. He read this back too, "after american, going to 1, K, C...". He presumably allowed the AA to pass before taxing.
This channel cuts out all the planes except the ones involved in the incident.
@@jort93z I see that now. Thank you for pointing it out. I'm going to keep this comment just to be honest about my misjudgment.
@@SlowishLiving Refreshing to see someone willing to admit a mistake. I think that's really cool of you and a great way to continuously expand your knowledge.
Kinda interesting that this was ImuaOne!
Possible controller deviation. We have a number for you to call. 😂
"oh yes" you're in trouble
Who is? They were cleared by ground not tower.
Def not the pilots. It was the lady updating her fb
“Oh most definitely” - she sounded smug until the receipts get pulled “says here pilot was cleared to cross 4 at C”
She sounded annoyed not 'smug', she was ATC the problem was with ground, don't project.
Controller error. Ground controller (female voice) should never give runway crossing instructions, (especially) when traffic is on the active, without first coordinating with the Local controller (male voice). Whether that happened or not is unknown.
I don't know any EU countries allowing Ground to give cross runway clearance - that is up to Tower.
@@user-yi3yx2fn7g i don't know any EU countries that work busy traffic either
@@TyecoK Then you don't know a lot.
@@user-yi3yx2fn7g give me numbers, prove me wrong
@@user-yi3yx2fn7g Give me numbers, prove me wrong.
You know that controller put their resume on Indeed when they got home after this
I usually prefer this channel, but @VASAviation did a far better job on this one. They showed traffic awaiting departure on Rwy 1, played audio of traffic on final for Rwy 1, and showed visual of American traffic to which SWA2937 had to give way before taxiing. ua-cam.com/video/yooJmu30DxY/v-deo.html
100% ATC error
DEI in ATC, not gonna end well.
DEI? There is a pilot, flight attendant, and air traffic control shortage.
Very deceiving "click bait" title. SW 737 never "entered" the active runway. Close but not quite.
They crossed the hold short line, which makes it a runway incursion according to icao
@@jort93z But that is still not the same as "entering" the runway. They never got to the point shown in the graphic at the top of this vid. I am not downplaying the seriousness just the accuracy of the title which has now been changed :)
@@advancedautomotivemachine4791 Ah, it was changed? Fair. I guess you can argue if crossing the hold short line is already "entering the runway", as that phrase is not defined anywhere from what I can tell. But it is a runway incursion, as an aircraft entered the protected area and interfered with a plane on takeoff.
Diversity hires doing diversity hire stuff……
Diversity? There is a pilot, flight attendant, and air traffic control shortage.
Not a high workload situation, and the DEI controllers still fk it up!
No
Why do you hate women and minorities?
Say stuff like this goes to show how little you understand how this industry works
@@JayJayAviation Hahaha.
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 DEI? There is a pilot, flight attendant, and air traffic control shortage.
I think the controller should use more standard terminology. Especially in the US.