Clips: 1970, June Lockhart gently challenges homophobia on THE VIRGINIA GRAHAM SHOW w/Rev Troy Perry

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  • Опубліковано 24 чер 2023
  • Happy 98th birthday to June Lockhart, who was an ally to the queer community long before that was an "in" thing to be!
    (Hat tip to pioneering gay activist Randy Wicker, who had a reel-to-reel home video recorder in 1970, and kindly lent me his recording of this rare show many years ago.)
    #TalkShows #gay #queer #LGBTQ #homophobia #JuneLockhart #VirginiaGraham #TroyPerry #1970s

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  • @mikeklimczak9600
    @mikeklimczak9600 28 днів тому +2584

    June is still with us as of July 5, 2024 at age 99.

    • @xoxxobob61
      @xoxxobob61 28 днів тому +60

      She's a CANCER like me! The Sign of Empathy & Compassion!

    • @anglodoomer5995
      @anglodoomer5995 27 днів тому +9

      Wow

    • @RachelDavisMatthews
      @RachelDavisMatthews 27 днів тому +70

      Amazing. Good for June saying we should not moralize it. Wonder how Virgini'as gay friends felt about her reactions on this episode............

    • @LeeKeels
      @LeeKeels 27 днів тому +47

      @@PracticalPerry What needed to be updated about it?

    • @devontehuntley6274
      @devontehuntley6274 27 днів тому +8

      @@LeeKeels If she still feels the way she does or has more to add to it considering 1970 was a whole other generation, 50+ years into the past. A lot has changed since then regarding what we know about it.

  • @matthewmatthews8495
    @matthewmatthews8495 29 днів тому +1619

    And the audience applauded June's comments!!!!

    • @Gee-xb7rt
      @Gee-xb7rt 28 днів тому +8

      history is so back and forwards on this, what is happening now is very common in history though, heteronormative gay people are gatekeeping, and there is precedent, there were gay people and jews in the SS and SA that thought picking on the more marginalized was fun until they were purged.

    • @markrichards6863
      @markrichards6863 27 днів тому +16

      Virginia Graham was tired in her prime. My mom used to watch her every day, smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee, then get on the phone to her friend Ellen or Joan, and gossip about the show and eventually people they know.

    • @Ma1nguy
      @Ma1nguy 26 днів тому +21

      I can attest to what it is to be a gay man even though I've chosen to live celibate. My dream of awakening in the morning as a lusting heterosexual ain't gonna happen, else it would've happened a long time ago.

    • @nagillim7915
      @nagillim7915 25 днів тому +30

      Even in 1970 gay people had friends and relatives who supported them. Not as many as now, for sure, but the minority still existed.
      And clapping in a tv audience is mostly anonymous so people can circumvent the moral busybodies. It's the same way people tell political pundits one thing during elections and then once out of the public eye they have the anonymity to vote freely.
      Never underestimate the oppressive power of social pressure. It can be stronger than written law.

    • @RaptorFromWeegee
      @RaptorFromWeegee 25 днів тому +3

      @@Ma1nguy Why don't you read your bible

  • @mikestevens7018
    @mikestevens7018 25 днів тому +1180

    June and the preacher are decades ahead of time.

    • @honestone490
      @honestone490 24 дні тому +116

      Rev Troy Perry is the founder of the Metropolitan Community Church (MCC). A ministry started originally for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender communities, in Los Angeles on October 6, 1968. At 83 yr of age he's still with us today. A beacon of hope for millions.

    • @dfpguitar
      @dfpguitar 22 дні тому +55

      He seems both cool AF and radically intelligent. Speaking here about how society has made people neurotic.

    • @orange222...
      @orange222... 22 дні тому +17

      They are speaking openly and freely, with no thought of repercussions. I might suggest that indicates they are of their time.

    • @Jeff-66
      @Jeff-66 22 дні тому +63

      What impressed me is that the crowd clapped and supported June and the preacher.

    • @orange222...
      @orange222... 21 день тому +6

      @@Jeff-66 yes that was great.

  • @deansliger1075
    @deansliger1075 26 днів тому +601

    June Lockhart is and always has been a national treasure.

    • @StonedUp1
      @StonedUp1 23 дні тому +1

      Bullshit 😂😂

    • @kkc6155
      @kkc6155 22 дні тому

      That way.

    • @Left_hand_clapping
      @Left_hand_clapping 21 день тому +9

      @@StonedUp1 Your response says more about you than anyone else could.

    •  21 день тому +6

      @@StonedUp1You are only old enough to understand the Power Rangers. Pfft.

    • @lizzieallen2284
      @lizzieallen2284 20 днів тому +1

      Amen x

  • @davidfleischer455
    @davidfleischer455 28 днів тому +1479

    June really spoke up! Way ahead of her time. I'm moved.

    • @markrichards6863
      @markrichards6863 27 днів тому +27

      She's 99 and still going strong, from what I've heard.

    • @DavidMcFarner
      @DavidMcFarner 26 днів тому +21

      @@markrichards6863YAY!! 🌹 I’ve always loved June Lockhart!

    • @stevegs1
      @stevegs1 26 днів тому +16

      Mad props to June….VG uniformed , very disappointed.

    • @RocketRocket-ce3ke
      @RocketRocket-ce3ke 25 днів тому +12

      @@DavidMcFarner Indeed. The next Gay icon if she isnt now. A class act, and may I say nice to see a show where people arent screaming over each other

    • @MeadeSkeltonMusic
      @MeadeSkeltonMusic 24 дні тому

      Supporting perversion is not anything modern

  • @furncemanjim
    @furncemanjim Місяць тому +802

    Man was this priest ahead of his time, June Lockhart was way too cool as well.

    • @stevencapsuto873
      @stevencapsuto873  Місяць тому +74

      I also posted another great clip of Rev. Perry here, talking in 1971 about the founding of his gay-friendly church: ua-cam.com/video/gNajAvP0nhA/v-deo.html

    • @bondfool
      @bondfool 24 дні тому +46

      I was very confused because I thought he was going to be the one June argues with.

    • @davidmenasco5743
      @davidmenasco5743 23 дні тому +57

      ​@@bondfoolIt's really a shocking plot twist, to see the man with the collar on this side of the debate, in a program from that era.
      I guess it just shows the changes happening at that time. The culture really went through some very rapid changes between 1965 and 1975.

    • @honestone490
      @honestone490 23 дні тому +69

      The priest you refer to is Rev Troy Perry founder of the Metropolitan Community of Churches in 1968. He's still around today preaching the true word of the Gospel with his husband and soul mate along side him since 2003.

    • @furncemanjim
      @furncemanjim 23 дні тому +14

      @@honestone490 a good person will always have a great life, he deserves a good life

  • @glenn212now
    @glenn212now 25 днів тому +255

    June really took a risk to defend homosexuality back in those days. Good for her.

    • @TigerPrawn_
      @TigerPrawn_ 21 день тому +3

      What risk?

    • @jademusic1211
      @jademusic1211 20 днів тому +3

      ​@@TigerPrawn_Homosexuality was less accepted back then than it is today.🤷‍♀️

    • @glenn212now
      @glenn212now 20 днів тому

      @@TigerPrawn_ are you kidding me? You could be fired for being gay or supporting gay people. I had to stay in the closet and posed as a straight person at work because the office where I was employed was owned by the Catholic Church. Gay bars were constantly raided by the police. It was nothing like it is today.

    • @davidjorgensen877
      @davidjorgensen877 20 днів тому +6

      I'm even more impressed with the Catholic priest not only defending their right to exist but offering them a place of worship if they choose. It was only last year Pope Francis openly declared that LGBTQ+ individuals were welcome in the Catholic Church (but with some conditions).

    • @janesmith5967
      @janesmith5967 20 днів тому +4

      @TigerPrawn In the 70s, speaking up in support of homosexuality could cost a person their career. Many people in Hollywood were blacklisted and refused work if it was known that they were gay or supported gay people. Times have changed but still not enough.

  • @jbghumanjr
    @jbghumanjr 25 днів тому +236

    Um... a priest on TV in 1970nspeaking up for gay rights: Like wow! Whoever he is, he deserves a medal.

    • @stumack9755
      @stumack9755 24 дні тому +10

      & he's a cutie. .

    • @markmartindale7215
      @markmartindale7215 21 день тому +28

      He is Troy Perry. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Perry?wprov=sfla1

    • @SusanMarie3
      @SusanMarie3 21 день тому +14

      FYI - The minister, Troy Perry, is not and never was a catholic priest.

    • @janetbeatrice9505
      @janetbeatrice9505 21 день тому +4

      ​@@SusanMarie3I'm surprised that he wears a collar then. I'm looking forward to finding out more about him.

    • @alexanderangelo7284
      @alexanderangelo7284 21 день тому +31

      ​@janetbeatrice9505 Other Protestant denominations wear clericals like this.

  • @johnwalzer9187
    @johnwalzer9187 29 днів тому +531

    As someone who spent her life in show business, I suspect June had many gay friends, was not bothered at all by homosexuality and was bemused and appalled by people like Graham. June hit the nail on the head: if you're not gay, don't pretend you know what it's like to be gay. Above, all, watch out for the types who express concern for a group, and "have friends" in that group - but say or do things that hurt that group. Someone who attacks you with a smile is still attacking you.

    • @Mcfreddo
      @Mcfreddo 28 днів тому +19

      It's called "the smiling assassin." (Usually behind your back.)

    • @user-nz9pv1zx2d
      @user-nz9pv1zx2d 27 днів тому +13

      Perfectly expressed. And absolutely true. Virginia Graham shows are intolerance, and racial tendency.

    • @CoopyKat
      @CoopyKat 27 днів тому +22

      @johnwalzer9187 I question if Virginia Graham really had ANY "homosexual" friends. If she never discussed it with them, how would she even know? Her attitude wasn't good at all, but it wasn't as bad as MAGA is today.

    • @johnwalzer9187
      @johnwalzer9187 27 днів тому

      @@CoopyKat True enough, but it's one of conservatives' three excuses for bad behavior. Whenever a right-wing extremist says anything hideously inappropriate and there's blowback, the excuses are: (1) it was a joke; (2) it was taken out of context; (3) "I have friends in that community." I'd love to meet these Jewish friends who find holocaust jokes funny or black friends who find slavery jokes funny or gay friends who find AIDS jokes funny.

    • @edcipriani8873
      @edcipriani8873 26 днів тому

      @@CoopyKat - The only reason Virginia Graham would have friends in the LGBT community is most likely it was gay men who wanted to dress up and wear wigs like her. Virginia's getup translates very well in a drag show.

  • @sufyanlowel4631
    @sufyanlowel4631 28 днів тому +618

    'I have homosexual friends and we never discussed this'. Another homophobic classic

    • @latvguy1
      @latvguy1 27 днів тому +66

      "I've had a friend for seven years who I was told.... you know, is that way".

    • @pjesf
      @pjesf 27 днів тому +52

      @@latvguy1”We never talk about it”. Sure, cuz you’d have one fewer friend

    • @markrichards6863
      @markrichards6863 27 днів тому +25

      And she was a talk show host. I give her credit for having the conversation, but deduct points for walking through life we blinders on.

    • @danityvanityinsanity
      @danityvanityinsanity 26 днів тому +32

      Ikr? “Some of my best friends are (put in marginalized group here).”🙄

    • @pjesf
      @pjesf 26 днів тому +18

      @@danityvanityinsanity Yesterday I was trying to think of the term for that but couldn’t remember until seeing your message. “Virtue signaling” and it’s always SO obvious

  • @nagashtheforsaken
    @nagashtheforsaken 26 днів тому +456

    The priest really did more than June did, but I'm glad we had them both in '70 carrying the torch for understanding.

    • @RocketRocket-ce3ke
      @RocketRocket-ce3ke 25 днів тому +15

      I recall being head over heels over the Rev Perry as a youngster

    • @roberthaber8510
      @roberthaber8510 24 дні тому +1

      The priest was very compassionate, but also very wrong. The Bible, God's Word, clearly prohibits the action in Leviticus, and again in several of the Pauline New Testament letters. Find a Biblical Concordance and look it up. That said, Jesus also commanded that we love one another, but He also always emphasized Repentance from sin.

    • @nagashtheforsaken
      @nagashtheforsaken 24 дні тому +31

      @@roberthaber8510 There's a lot of disagreement on what the bible actually says, and many biblical scholars believe it's being misinterpreted in that sense. Leviticus, for example, is being debated on it's meaning. So, saying he's wrong for interpreting the bible that way is nonsense. There's not much consensus on the topic. Either way, you can't cherry pick what you like out of the bible and ignore the rest. You're either all in or all out.

    • @t.wilson9432
      @t.wilson9432 24 дні тому +45

      ​@@roberthaber8510 the Bible also says that eating pork products and shellfish is an abomination...sex while menstruating is an abomination, wearing two types of cloth... abomination...
      Also says you should stone your children if they misbehave...
      I don't see you bringing up ANY of those things..
      The bible was written a very, very long time ago when people's understanding of the world was about a 50 mile radius...
      If you're going to use the bible as a shield for everything you dislike you should at least have an understanding of what it actually says ..

    • @roberthaber8510
      @roberthaber8510 24 дні тому

      @@nagashtheforsaken Oh, I'm all in. Leviticus 20:13, "A man shall not sleep with a man as if with a woman - it is an abomination . . . " How can that not be clear? I'd you accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour, you will be cleansed from that sin, and forgiven. I know. Personally.

  • @renerodriguez-1980
    @renerodriguez-1980 27 днів тому +146

    June Lockhart as well as the preacher were ahead of their time! What pioneers!

    • @erika6651
      @erika6651 24 дні тому

      No she wasn't. There have always been folks like June and folks like that windbag prattling on about all her "Homosexual friends". The same types of people have existed as long as humanity has existed. We keep doing this over and over again.

    • @kenbob1071
      @kenbob1071 20 днів тому +5

      Talk about pioneers, the priest was not only ahead of his time, but he's ahead of our time.

  • @jefferysmith3542
    @jefferysmith3542 Рік тому +553

    June Lockhart thank you 🌈

    • @rayarena879
      @rayarena879 29 днів тому +9

      She is so cool and she used to work with Jonathan Harris [Dr. Smith] in Lost in Space who was gay.

    • @johndalton3180
      @johndalton3180 29 днів тому +11

      Haha June didn't get along with Mr. Harris. But not because he was gay. She is a lovely person.

    • @donzucca264
      @donzucca264 27 днів тому +1

      Harris wasn’t gay

    • @DadInTaiwan
      @DadInTaiwan 27 днів тому +1

      @@rayarena879 Jonathan Harris was married to his high school sweetheart for over 60 years until his death. Sounds pretty straight to me.

    • @rayarena879
      @rayarena879 27 днів тому +7

      @@DadInTaiwan She could have been his "beard," [that is to say, his cover]. Back in those days when Jonathan Harris married, it wasn't uncommon for gay men to get married because it was what was expected. The stigma of being known as gay was too stigmatizing. Look, June Lockhart who knew him better than you and I has gone on record saying he was gay.

  • @jaytops
    @jaytops 28 днів тому +365

    This is actually, groundbreaking for a tv show in 1970.

    • @Mister_Listener
      @Mister_Listener 21 день тому +4

      Nah. Stuff like this was shown on tv talk shows once in awhile. And it always did more harm to gays than good. Blame religion.

    • @Sophiedorian0535
      @Sophiedorian0535 20 днів тому

      Not really. I lived 1970. Conservative talk shows like this were all about conserving values, not about imposing values. It was the time when conservatism still meant checking bath water for babies, before allowing the progressives to throw it away and run the next bath.

    • @cascade5682
      @cascade5682 20 днів тому +4

      Groundbreaking like Maude and All In The Family.

    • @jaytops
      @jaytops 20 днів тому

      @@cascade5682 Which happened after.

    • @lablaine1981
      @lablaine1981 18 днів тому +4

      ​@@Mister_Listener💯agreed...I'm 75 yrs old,gays had an onslaught of constant harassment in spite of a few shows that made lukewarm pro gay commentary,but credit due...

  • @TheTurkaderr
    @TheTurkaderr 27 днів тому +55

    I've worked with June's daughter Anne, and I've heard nothing but wonderful things about June. God bless her. Nice to know she was an ally.

    • @markrichards6863
      @markrichards6863 27 днів тому +12

      She is a friend to the community, 99 years old.

    • @carolynmckee4295
      @carolynmckee4295 19 днів тому +1

      And when I hear Anne, I think of June! ❤

    • @jeaniejoseph940
      @jeaniejoseph940 5 днів тому +1

      ​@@carolynmckee4295 Anne looks so much like her mother, too.

  • @tingdzin
    @tingdzin 27 днів тому +73

    This is interesting to watch. I was a legal assistant in New York City and settled Virginia Graham’s estate. I met her daughter and had many meetings with her granddaughter who was lovely. Graham’s husband, Harry Guttenberg, owned a theatrical costume company and was gay. I’m not surprised Virginia had gay friends. I’m rather surprised she appears gay people should be cured. Maybe she thought she was going to cure her husband.

    • @stumack9755
      @stumack9755 24 дні тому +37

      explains y she was getting testy. topic was too close for home having a gay closet hubby.

    • @rrrusty49
      @rrrusty49 21 день тому +4

      Or maybe that what the TV execs wanted her to say?

    • @kcinca5410
      @kcinca5410 20 днів тому +11

      Of course she wanted it to be cured. She thought she'd be the one to cure her husband. Bravo June and, I'm sorry I didn't catch his name, the priest. True decent human beings.

    • @williamashton9235
      @williamashton9235 18 днів тому

      In 1970, probably half the people in America felt that homosexuality was a choice that could be cured or overcome, and millions of people believed that it was a mental problem.

    • @dougl945
      @dougl945 18 днів тому +2

      Well, we now see where her anger came from.

  • @hanschristianbrando5588
    @hanschristianbrando5588 27 днів тому +477

    Right on, June! That took guts in 1970. And yes, Virginia, we've heard that "I have many homosexual friends" from homophobes; I bet they just love how you liken their sexuality with "taking dope" and "shooting and killing" and how you reserve the right to "moralize" about them. What a pal.

    • @reglook1
      @reglook1 26 днів тому +36

      Like saying oh I have many black friends/ remember that one?

    • @wakingupKosher
      @wakingupKosher 23 дні тому

      Gays do the same thing by making homosexuality akin to being black. You're all hypocrites. Since when does the color of skin hue equal comparative your sexual deviance?
      Repent

    • @notAsoccerMom
      @notAsoccerMom 21 день тому +3

      I'm sure there are MANY things and people in this life who you don't know about and/or don't understand. Does that make YOU a bad person? Just stop....

    • @reglook1
      @reglook1 21 день тому

      @@notAsoccerMom I ve been on that end of being discriminted, so yes I understand a hateful Bitch bigot.

    • @culinarynerd
      @culinarynerd 21 день тому +21

      I like to respond to this sentiment with "they may be friends to you, but you are not a friend to them."

  • @theodorelaval1133
    @theodorelaval1133 27 днів тому +249

    Look how calm she was while Virginia Graham got all defensive!

    • @hlcepeda
      @hlcepeda 19 днів тому +4

      She was _always_ that way: Smiling while delivering instant, clever, razor-sharp retorts... one of the smartest, bravest, and quick-witted actors in Hollywood ever.

  • @giggles7179
    @giggles7179 27 днів тому +237

    Ms. Lockhart, if you or somebody else should ever see this, I want to thank you. Whether you were defending the LBGTQ community or simply voicing a distate for that woman's logic, that took a lot of courage to say that back then. It's people like you who spoke up to put things into perspective or call out hypocrisy that changed our world for the better. Thank you.

    • @ijansk
      @ijansk 25 днів тому

      This is about homosexuality, same-SEX attraction. The gender identity letters have nothing to do with same-sex attraction
      .in fact, those letters deny homosexuality.

    • @richardnz55
      @richardnz55 25 днів тому +15

      Thank you for these words of appreciation..she was very brave and true to her values.

    • @helloxonsfan
      @helloxonsfan 24 дні тому +14

      Yes! If she ever sees this, she deserves much thanks & respect! ❤

    • @lisas4444
      @lisas4444 23 дні тому +12

      And the audience was pretty supportive!

    • @georgimihailov4906
      @georgimihailov4906 21 день тому +7

      June Lockhart, we love you.

  • @paisley8519
    @paisley8519 21 день тому +12

    June Lockhart, the voice of reason. If only she could have been every mom. Imagine how many people would have felt loved and accepted. And well adjusted. This clip is a true treasure. You just gotta love this woman!

  • @echospaw899
    @echospaw899 27 днів тому +493

    Virginial Graham is gone... and gladly forgotten.
    June Lockhart... class act, intelligent, empathetic, and still with us. 😊

    • @jamesmcinnis208
      @jamesmcinnis208 27 днів тому +13

      Well, that settles it.

    • @vernonfrance2974
      @vernonfrance2974 27 днів тому +20

      Virginia Graham and people of that time had been taught that homosexuality was wrong and disgusting. We should not expect many people to rise above the prejudices and ignorance of their time.

    • @jamesmcinnis208
      @jamesmcinnis208 27 днів тому +15

      @@vernonfrance2974 It was categorized as a psychological abnormality until the 1970s.

    • @mrxman581
      @mrxman581 27 днів тому +26

      ​@@vernonfrance2974June did. I'm now very curious about her upbringing.

    • @josephsf2452
      @josephsf2452 27 днів тому +17

      Virginia Graham seems close-minded

  • @jc0730
    @jc0730 27 днів тому +548

    Virginia Grahams ignorance and hypocrisy speaks for itself. Rock on June Lockhart!

    • @davidlafleche1142
      @davidlafleche1142 26 днів тому +7

      There's no such thing as homophobia.

    • @jc0730
      @jc0730 26 днів тому +38

      @@davidlafleche1142 your denial will not protect you.

    • @MrMarkOlson
      @MrMarkOlson 26 днів тому +39

      @@davidlafleche1142 That's like a member of the Third Reich saying there is no such thing as antisemitism. LOL!!! 🤣🤣🤣

    • @jimtfmb
      @jimtfmb 25 днів тому +14

      Now I have a better understanding of Dame Edna. Always loved June Lockhart🎉

    • @dwightfitch3120
      @dwightfitch3120 25 днів тому +8

      @@davidlafleche1142If ur talking about the phobia part and thinking no one’s afraid of them, it sometimes means dislike rather than fear

  • @cbeautifulworld11
    @cbeautifulworld11 19 днів тому +13

    Kindness and empathy are exactly what I would expect from Timmy and Lassie's most wonderful Mom.

  • @johnmcquilkin
    @johnmcquilkin 27 днів тому +32

    June Lockhart was, is, and will always be a class act and a beautiful soul! 💙✌️💙

  • @rallegra
    @rallegra 28 днів тому +469

    The younger people of today need to know about these pioneers.

    • @ponyhorton4295
      @ponyhorton4295 28 днів тому +23

      Thank you! I was a member of Rev. Perry's church, MCC, in the mid-1970s. He gave me communion once.
      I was Out by then, of course. Don't know if that makes me a pioneer, but I'm glad I was Gay back then.

    • @thomasszymanski1107
      @thomasszymanski1107 28 днів тому +9

      AND RESPECT THEM!

    • @openskies11
      @openskies11 27 днів тому +17

      This is why they need to teach gay history in schools.

    • @gabrieltrimble2432
      @gabrieltrimble2432 26 днів тому +7

      Yes Indeed!​@@openskies11

    • @rugby8-Philadelphia
      @rugby8-Philadelphia 25 днів тому +9

      They sure do!
      My husband and I just celebrated our 43rd Anniversary, and I yalk to younger guys who truly don't know Anything about what it was like in the 70s with police raids, in the 80s with AIDS, and on and on

  • @frankiebowie6174
    @frankiebowie6174 27 днів тому +193

    June Lockhart is exactly how I imagine she would be. Sweet, gently witty, honest and forthright.

    • @johnmanier7968
      @johnmanier7968 23 дні тому +13

      I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and chatting with her, just a few years ago, and she’s still exactly as you summarized.

    • @grl9917
      @grl9917 20 днів тому +6

      And very intelligent.

  • @BeFree8
    @BeFree8 26 днів тому +12

    God bless that preacher wanting to help homosexuals, just what Jesus did, help everyone and love all. The United Methodist is open to all today. God bless them.

    • @markmartindale7215
      @markmartindale7215 21 день тому

      The United Methodist Church yes. The Global Methodist Church no. Methodist Church is experiencing a schism currently.

  • @looli1327
    @looli1327 22 дні тому +8

    YOU make me sound callous and heartless? No Virginia you sound like that yourself. Thank you for sharing this incredible piece of history!

  • @skyavalanche
    @skyavalanche 28 днів тому +302

    Virginia Graham: On the wrong side of History, but on the right side of Hairspray.

    • @pjesf
      @pjesf 27 днів тому +21

      You can’t see me bowing before you for that comment 😂👍🏻👏🏻❤️

    • @billtomson5791
      @billtomson5791 27 днів тому +21

      Divine would certainly approve. 😊

    • @markrichards6863
      @markrichards6863 27 днів тому +17

      Only her hair dresser knows for sure.

    • @bobnbutters
      @bobnbutters 26 днів тому +8

      I love that!

    • @AngryRantsAndStuff
      @AngryRantsAndStuff 22 дні тому +4

      😂

  • @kpm7727
    @kpm7727 27 днів тому +213

    Thank you June. She was truly ahead of her time.

    • @kenbob1071
      @kenbob1071 20 днів тому +1

      The priest was not only ahead of his time, but he's ahead of our time.

    • @jefflewis4
      @jefflewis4 20 днів тому +1

      @@kenbob1071 He's still right about the percentage of gays. Even today with more acceptance its still around about 4-7% in the US.

  • @vaguelydangerous
    @vaguelydangerous 23 дні тому +100

    As a gay man, the worst part of it is people pretending I'm damaged.

    • @reverbscherzo7850
      @reverbscherzo7850 21 день тому +17

      The worst part is they're not pretending. They really think we're damaged.

    • @sandradelvecchio6894
      @sandradelvecchio6894 21 день тому +3

      @@reverbscherzo7850not at all. I believe you are in sin and if you want to continue that way have at it. Not a very wise decision in my view because I am a Christian and I would love for you to understand the Bible and how and why it describes sins of all kinds. Yes God certainly loves you as we all should, as a brother for sure. But you are sinning, just as my huge sin is gluttony of food. And that is a very serious problem for me, it is as bad to me and for me as your sin is. Am I damaged? Not the word I would choose. I know full well I choose things that make my senses satisfied beyond just being satiated. I struggle. I know I shouldn’t be in this state. I just have a sin state that people don’t deminize the way they do sexual sin so it’s easier for me to hide it. But at the end of the day that sin dissapointed god as much as any of your sin. You aren’t damaged. Or maybe we both are. I’m sorry you have been treated that way. I am a long standing very devout Christian and nobody that calls themselves that should ever treat you as damaged. We all have a sin nature.

    • @Mister_Listener
      @Mister_Listener 21 день тому +13

      @@sandradelvecchio6894thats a lot of hatred. Sounds like an awful group of people you fraternize with each sunday morning. Awful!

    • @dawnkindnesscountsmost5991
      @dawnkindnesscountsmost5991 21 день тому +8

      "Damage" comes from abuse and neglect inflicted by others, not from a part of oneself one is born with. No one is born damaged, and the sexuality a person is born with does not make the person damaged.

    • @reverbscherzo7850
      @reverbscherzo7850 20 днів тому +12

      @@sandradelvecchio6894Thank you for exemplifying exactly the crap we have to put up with on the daily. 🙄
      You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

  • @rockymontero1162
    @rockymontero1162 26 днів тому +14

    It's wonderful that June spoke up so eloquently to defend Gay folks. Troy Perry did an excellent job in this debate and he looks gorgeous! However, people making comments against Virginia Graham are not considering the era. Standards of today can't be applied to the past. It was 1970 and the Gay Liberation movement was just gaining momentum. Eventually Virginia evolved like many others from that time period. Her afternoon show was big at that time and discussing homosexuality on a daytime talk show was a huge risk! I commend her for taking such a risk!

  • @jamesj7518
    @jamesj7518 29 днів тому +164

    This is such an illuminating and gratifying clip:
    June Lockhart and Rev. Perry were onto something!

  • @jl3322
    @jl3322 27 днів тому +75

    And still alive in 2024 - 99 yrs young💙

  • @PhoenixFit2024
    @PhoenixFit2024 26 днів тому +19

    Wow. I’ve never seen this. For her to speak up is amazing. So much respect for her.

  • @topologyrob
    @topologyrob 20 днів тому +10

    Our church in the 1970s was very inclusive of people of diverse sexual orientations, as well as transgender people. Thank God for such inclusiveness as demonstrated by the clergyman here.

    • @homotopic
      @homotopic 8 днів тому

      Reverend Perry and June were definitely ahead of the curve for 1970. Good on them both!

  • @8aa17
    @8aa17 Місяць тому +90

    Thank you Rev Troy Perry! For MCC

    • @wlb2j
      @wlb2j 26 днів тому +6

      I love MCC, they were a home for me when I first moved to San Diego so many years ago. Beautiful community.

  • @Marcel_Audubon
    @Marcel_Audubon 28 днів тому +33

    Virginia: "June, if you'll move down, darling"
    June: No, on this topic, I will NOT move down, darling!

    • @wlb2j
      @wlb2j 26 днів тому +2

      True ally-ship right there!😊

  • @BicoastalJet
    @BicoastalJet 20 днів тому +5

    Wow. Never thought this level of support existed before I was born. Incredible.

  • @jeffcook3747
    @jeffcook3747 27 днів тому +12

    Thank you Mrs Robinson/Miss Lockhart!

  • @TheHarryleemartin
    @TheHarryleemartin Місяць тому +45

    You go, June! Happy 98th to someone who has brought so much happiness to so many people.

  • @johndalton3180
    @johndalton3180 29 днів тому +32

    June is a neat lady. Love her. Just turned 99!

  • @williamfahey6066
    @williamfahey6066 26 днів тому +10

    I would like to see the rest of this show. it looks like a good
    discussion. I am Gay and found this interesting. Thankfully most
    people do not care what a persons sexual orientation is, everyone
    knows sexual orientation is not a choice.
    Jeff

  • @MarlaLukofsky7
    @MarlaLukofsky7 26 днів тому +50

    June Lockhart is a gift of a human being and narrowed it down to reason, logic, and intelligence. I love her more now than ever before.

  • @mahalokoka
    @mahalokoka 27 днів тому +58

    I guess she really does make the perfect mother! Supporting her flock, and with grace and dignity.

  • @tjdomerny4847
    @tjdomerny4847 27 днів тому +26

    I have always loved June. One of my favorite TV moms

  • @tonyholt7736
    @tonyholt7736 26 днів тому +3

    Thank you June

  • @aartadventure
    @aartadventure 27 днів тому +5

    Thanks to Randy Wicker who recorded this gem. It's a real shame that TV studios would just throw out the originals. This is a real time capsule, and shows a snippet of how awful and difficult it was to be Queer back then. You could easily find yourself locked up in an institution, forced to undergo chemical castration, or just straight up killed.
    Thankfully some people like June Lockhart and this priest had the decency to publicly declare that everyone should be shown love and respect.

  • @michael0.770
    @michael0.770 27 днів тому +41

    Somehow l never expected June Lockhart to be supportive and understanding, but Lassie and Timmy's mother gave me a most pleasant surprise! You go June!

  • @granvillesimmons6033
    @granvillesimmons6033 28 днів тому +103

    God bless June Lockhart, an extremely fine actress and class act all the way round. Whether it was She Wolf of London, Lassie, or Lost in Space she has always been a joy to watch. And she was so reasonable and compassionate on this subject!

    • @Magnetron33
      @Magnetron33 27 днів тому +7

      or as the doctor on Petticoat Junction

    • @denisemadigan1038
      @denisemadigan1038 23 дні тому +1

      Right? She was fabulous in her insight!❤❤😂

  • @rpbphx
    @rpbphx 26 днів тому +21

    Thank you Troy Perry (and June!)

    • @fanorama1
      @fanorama1 24 дні тому

      I'm glad I'm not the only one who recognized him. I actually had lunch with him and Leonard Matlovich back in the day.

    • @tangogent
      @tangogent 24 дні тому +1

      @@fanorama1 Tell us more--or write a book!

  • @Aussiemarco
    @Aussiemarco 25 днів тому +16

    At church that I went to in Sydney in the 1970’s and 80’s, a man started attending the evening services in the 70’s, and somehow after several months he was discovered to be a ‘practicing homosexual’ (their term).
    As soon as this was discovered, the minister went up to him before a service and told him what they’d found out and told him to leave and don’t come back - “homosexuals aren’t welcome here.“
    I was still in the closet, and in the late 80’s when brother told me this had happened, I left the church and never went back to any church. I imagined that happening to me and was too disgusted to ever go back.

    • @donnaleone3818
      @donnaleone3818 21 день тому +1

      I went to church in the 80s while I was living with my fiancé (now my husband). We went to church because we “knew we should”. No one - not even our families said we were doing anything wrong. It doesn’t mean that we weren’t, though. We just did what we pleased. Years later when I underwent a spiritual conversion, I felt very ashamed of my actions. I went to church not knowing or caring about how God felt about my relationship with my fiancé. If you truly want to know and serve Jesus Christ, I suggest getting a Bible and reading it (if you haven’t already). Reading the Bible changed my life.

    • @Mister_Listener
      @Mister_Listener 21 день тому +1

      @@donnaleone3818 nobody is going to stop and read the Bible simply because you have a fetish for talking about it 24/7, dear.

    • @donnaleone3818
      @donnaleone3818 20 днів тому

      @@Mister_Listener maybe someone will.

    • @Mister_Listener
      @Mister_Listener 20 днів тому

      @@donnaleone3818 it is like a sickness for you…to rudely inject this into conversations all the time?

    • @Mister_Listener
      @Mister_Listener 20 днів тому

      @@donnaleone3818 angry? You dont have that power. But it is annoying that a holy roller is trying to cajole gay people into joining a church filled with hate towards them. Those actions are hateful and judgmental, yet you think some idiot living in the sky is smiling and watching you bully LGBTQIA while you read the Bible?

  • @chikeefer
    @chikeefer 27 днів тому +15

    I never realized what a lovely person she is!

  • @miketalley5476
    @miketalley5476 28 днів тому +26

    That's Dr. Joyce Brothers sitting next to Rev. Troy Perry. What a truly WONDERFUL clip!

    • @rongreen2976
      @rongreen2976 27 днів тому +3

      She doesn't look like her or sound like her.

    • @jjwintrs
      @jjwintrs 26 днів тому +1

      Definitely Dr Troy Perry, founder of MCC, though.

    • @Mister_Listener
      @Mister_Listener 21 день тому

      @@rongreen2976lol no signature hairstyle…i dont think it is her.

  • @detcarguymichigan4021
    @detcarguymichigan4021 26 днів тому +90

    You go June Lockhart!!! You are already on the right side of history and the future!!!

  • @gulliblesbabbles
    @gulliblesbabbles 26 днів тому +7

    You tell ‘em, June! I like you even more than I did before.

  • @bluepuppydan
    @bluepuppydan 4 місяці тому +51

    June is pure class and I will leave it at that after watching this clip .

  • @jsch9173
    @jsch9173 28 днів тому +79

    Virginia Graham looks as though she’s auditioning for a John Waters movie. Divine beat her out for the part.
    As for Ms. Graham, let’s at least give her credit for giving time and space to this subject way back in 1970. This was only a year after Stonewall, folks.

    • @RaptorFromWeegee
      @RaptorFromWeegee 25 днів тому

      Yup, in 1970 the vast majority of people went to church, believed that homosexuality was a sin, that they sought to "convert" young boys, that it should continue to be illegal, and that its a repulsive practice.
      It was absolutely socially forbidden to talk about homosexuality in any way, even in a negative way. Disparaging jokes about the gays was considered hip and liberal. Never acknowleging that it even existed was the route most conservatives took.
      Homosexuality and prostitution were only legal in France, but the laws passed against it under Vichy were kept in place by DeGaul.

    • @giggles7179
      @giggles7179 25 днів тому +1

      @@jsch9173 BWAHAHA! Spot-on, darling!

    • @grl9917
      @grl9917 20 днів тому

      Divine came to my mind as well.

    • @garyfasso6223
      @garyfasso6223 20 днів тому +1

      She must have known sparks would fly when she invited the "Right" Reverend. I'll bet she thought the guests and audience would be behind her, though... 😊

    • @michellehill4148
      @michellehill4148 17 днів тому

      LOL ! You are right, those of us old enough to remember know how rare and important this giving of space was. And we needed to see ourselves soo bad! The John Water joke made me love you by the way!

  • @FRADAVE02
    @FRADAVE02 23 дні тому +2

    When I was five, I would watch June Lockhart and wish that she was my mother! Now, at 64 years old, i love her more than ever! 💜 🏳️‍🌈 💜

  • @vidalott
    @vidalott 20 днів тому +39

    For those too young to remember, this is what a conversation looks like.

    • @budgetcommander4849
      @budgetcommander4849 12 днів тому +3

      I'm not interested in having a conversation with someone who thinks my sexuality is wrong. I refuse to keep justifying my existence to people who need explanations on empathy and understanding.

    • @LdyVder
      @LdyVder 8 днів тому

      And it lasted under 4 minutes and the host of the show was pointing her finger at others. Which is rude in that type of setting. Plus she got very defensive. Like many still do today.

    • @AB-jz9ns
      @AB-jz9ns 2 дні тому

      @@budgetcommander4849Are there limits to “empathy and understanding”?

  • @itz_kale7791
    @itz_kale7791 28 днів тому +61

    I never saw this coming, Love you June! ❤🙂🌈

  • @donaldlewis567
    @donaldlewis567 Рік тому +101

    "I have many homosexual friends"....my favorite line

    • @trwent
      @trwent 5 місяців тому +28

      Sounds like "Some of my best friends are black".

    • @darrelljustice6105
      @darrelljustice6105 2 місяці тому +27

      I've heard that line from others. All they really mean is that they have acquaintances, known or assumed to be homosexual, who they pretend to tolerate (in person) but don't really accept.

    • @Mcfreddo
      @Mcfreddo 28 днів тому +8

      @@darrelljustice6105That's absolutely right.

    • @TheRulesLawyerRPG
      @TheRulesLawyerRPG 28 днів тому +11

      And I suspect many of those "homosexual friends" don't share much of their gay business with her because they've clocked her as a bigot :)

    • @mauricebederon869
      @mauricebederon869 28 днів тому

      "Jews are so amazing people and extremely rich... 🤢"
      She looked from my point of view a little like a DRAG QUEEN😳

  • @LeeHardingakaFirmament
    @LeeHardingakaFirmament 27 днів тому +2

    Love June and love that wise priest too. I’d never seen this clip before so thanks so much for posting. Virginia Graham doesn’t come across very well at all here.

  • @martins4788
    @martins4788 25 днів тому +3

    I might be dating myself, but I knew there was a reason why I’ve always loved June Lockhart ❤️. Also, let’s not forget the other people on the panel. “lost in space”, one of my top 10 favorite shows of ALL time!

  • @user-xt2yf2ji4k
    @user-xt2yf2ji4k 5 місяців тому +29

    June Lockhart's open mind and warm heart are on display here. And she's still with us at age 99, I think. Maybe not hating so much has extended her good health? I didn't realize that Virginia Graham was such a bigot.

    • @user-gk1mn2wc9x
      @user-gk1mn2wc9x 3 місяці тому

      She's not.....She's calling it what it is.......WRONG

    • @jwb52z9
      @jwb52z9 3 місяці тому

      @@user-gk1mn2wc9x nly religious zealot bigots believe that.

    • @trueshy
      @trueshy Місяць тому +1

      @@user-gk1mn2wc9x Bigots defending bigots. Nothing new to see here...

    • @johndalton3180
      @johndalton3180 29 днів тому

      Ok folks! We have a MAGA dummy here!

    • @Mcfreddo
      @Mcfreddo 28 днів тому

      @@user-gk1mn2wc9xOh my god! You have to know what right first. Let me inform you. From fraternal birth order studies and they have ALWAYS given the same result, the chance of a gay son goes up measurably. That statistic has never changed. If a mother is highly stressed during pregnancy, there's a greater chance (chance being a percentage amount higher than the background chance,) that if it's male, to be born gay. Sheep studies for rams show 8% are homosexual.
      And your god has no evidence for existence.

  • @BTURNER1961
    @BTURNER1961 10 місяців тому +20

    Virginia came around before she left us. She ended up 'evolving' like so many other straights did .

    • @brockreynolds870
      @brockreynolds870 29 днів тому +8

      Yes... sometimes people just need some time, because they have ingrained ideas passed down from their parents.

    • @johndalton3180
      @johndalton3180 29 днів тому +5

      Good to know. I forgive her.

  • @johnatyoutube
    @johnatyoutube 23 дні тому +1

    I've been a huge fan of June since I was a little kid and watched LIS every day when I came home from school. She was like my second mother. Brilliant, confident, and unconditionally loving. And underappreciated because of the time in which she lived. You could always see so much beyond her characters in her eyes. And now she's also my hero! She was incredibly brave and planted important seeds. And I'm so happy she's still with us. Thank you, June! I love you! 💖

  • @WadersInAlaska
    @WadersInAlaska 25 днів тому +1

    Randy Wicker was ahead of his time in this interview. He appeared to be very well-informed; kudos to him for standing his ground and trying to educate Virginia Graham! And Kudos to June Lockhart for taking a stand and speaking her mind on the matter!! Always loved her in her films.

  • @jackfahey4610
    @jackfahey4610 27 днів тому +29

    I love this. And decades ago someone with an argument that we aren’t perverts

    • @tncorgi92
      @tncorgi92 18 днів тому

      Isn't it sad though that 50 years later we still have rampant homophobia and discrimination in this country.

  • @VIncentSunflowers
    @VIncentSunflowers 8 місяців тому +21

    I love June Lockhart, and l love your channel. Thank you for all these meaningful clips.

  • @honeybee.87
    @honeybee.87 27 днів тому +11

    "I have many homosexual friends" where have we heard that before? 🙄

    • @stumack9755
      @stumack9755 24 дні тому

      "But i don't want to hear what they do in the bedroom". Really?!!

    • @123451248ify
      @123451248ify 19 днів тому

      ​@@stumack9755Why would you want to hear about your friend's sex life? 😂

    • @budgetcommander4849
      @budgetcommander4849 12 днів тому +1

      @@123451248ifyYou wouldn't. That's the point.

  • @stevefreedman470
    @stevefreedman470 25 днів тому +2

    Thanks for your support Ms. Lockhart❤🌈👍😊

  • @jasonthewatchmansson8873
    @jasonthewatchmansson8873 Рік тому +23

    Her guests were in revolt! lol!

  • @josephibarra1757
    @josephibarra1757 28 днів тому +17

    That’s Troy Perry the founder of Metropolitan Community Church or MCC. Look 👀 it up

    • @JayYoung-ro3vu
      @JayYoung-ro3vu 27 днів тому +2

      For those of us who knew, we knew time ago. 😉❤️

    • @Mister_Listener
      @Mister_Listener 21 день тому

      I never knew but know of that church. Nice of him to found MCC, but religion is the reason for all the hate. Best to forgo any sort of scripture based gatherings and find a better philosophy of life than church.

  • @mikephalen3162
    @mikephalen3162 27 днів тому +6

    You have to give Graham credit for having this discussion on her syndicated national show. She was a personality, not an intellectual. Her view was of the times, but she let her guests carry the day.

  • @knib864
    @knib864 24 дні тому +1

    Holy moly! Thanks for sharing that clip. Amazing, both June and the Reverend. He was right on about society's condemnation making it difficult for gays to accept themselves!!! Wish I could have heard this growing up!!

  • @williamtomczak1857
    @williamtomczak1857 27 днів тому +7

    Thank you, June. 1970 was the year before I came out.

  • @alfredbonnabel7022
    @alfredbonnabel7022 Місяць тому +14

    THANK YOU JUNE ❤

  • @ronaldwebster9683
    @ronaldwebster9683 24 дні тому +2

    That priest was waayyyy ahead of his time! And that seeet woman June is a true advocate! This was beautiful to see from 54 years ago!

  • @gregg5958
    @gregg5958 27 днів тому +5

    I have “friends” that I go around making moral judgments on even though who they love isn’t a moral issue. With “friends” like that, who needs enemies?! I wonder if Virginia ever learned how to be a real friend to people?

  • @Helux1957
    @Helux1957 28 днів тому +10

    Everyone there-- EXCEPT for Graham-- is part of pretty spofisticated group. Always liked June Lockhart and now my respect for her has risen exponentially. Even as a kid, I though Virginia Graham was ignorant. Turns out I was pretty sophisticated back then too. lol

  • @MCJSA
    @MCJSA 28 днів тому +44

    1970 was about the time that gay rights started to come into the mainstream public conscious.

    • @markrichards6863
      @markrichards6863 27 днів тому +9

      The Stonewall Uprising was in 1969. I believe this show was filmed in NYC. I was not a fan of Virginia Graham, but I do respect that she was willing to have a public conversation on what was then a controversial topic. She had gay friends, but was more comfortable with the status quo than she was with change. June Lockhart was progressive, way ahead of her time.

    • @stumack9755
      @stumack9755 24 дні тому +2

      & Disco!!!

    • @budgetcommander4849
      @budgetcommander4849 12 днів тому

      @@stumack9755They actually are significantly related! In fact, the death of Disco was largely due to hostility for its queer membership.

    • @LdyVder
      @LdyVder 8 днів тому

      @@budgetcommander4849 It didn't help any that the big disco clubs in NYC were doing illegal things and were being shutdown. Running a nightclub without a proper liquor license is one of the things that got Studio 54 shut down.

  • @thomthom6268
    @thomthom6268 26 днів тому +17

    That last part is priceless. Gently calling Ms Graham out. Oh, June is amused alright. And hides a well honed dagger.

    • @grittykitty50
      @grittykitty50 20 днів тому

      She really did read Graham in the nicest possible way.

  • @AndromedaCripps
    @AndromedaCripps 27 днів тому +3

    I am unfamiliar with any of these figures but I LOVE to see the whole couch standing up to the host together 😂

  • @timothysmith7888
    @timothysmith7888 28 днів тому +9

    It cannot be possible that Virginia Graham truly had "homosexual friends". No self-respecting gay man would allow her to do her make-up like that. (Unless, of course, they saw right through her facade and, in quiet retribution, lied to her and said she was gorgeous! Tim Gunn would say, "If that's the look you'r going for, you're doing it brilliantly!".)
    Virginia Graham was doing just fine making herself sound "hard and calloused", without needing an assist from anyone!
    It's significant to note that this predates the tremendously positive impact that, among other studies, Evelyn Hooker's groundbreaking research had on persuading the American Psychiatric Association's 1973 removal of homosexuality from the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders).
    And Rev. Troy Perry is also still with us!

    • @cmecre8629
      @cmecre8629 28 днів тому

      don't really agree with the make-up part of your comment
      my first thought was Ms. Graham looks like a Drag Queen

  • @lorileehamel9695
    @lorileehamel9695 28 днів тому +31

    Way to go, June!!!!!!

  • @corinnerogersconstable223
    @corinnerogersconstable223 21 день тому +1

    Bless you Ms. June Lockhart. Beautiful, intelligent and a wonderful actress and an advocate for love.

  • @KAJ1701A
    @KAJ1701A 26 днів тому +2

    Thank you June!

  • @trainerstone
    @trainerstone 28 днів тому +6

    What a great segment. Thanks for posting.

  • @peterseeley1815
    @peterseeley1815 Рік тому +13

    Wow great discussion including "I have many homosexual friends ". Good job by the guests

  • @bunyan152
    @bunyan152 25 днів тому +2

    Brava June Lockhart! I can't believe how reactionary is Virginia Graham.

    • @tangogent
      @tangogent 24 дні тому +1

      She was a person of probably average intelligence (and ruthless ambition) who spoke for the peers of her day. Scary that that was 'average'!

  • @Stoic_Cpt
    @Stoic_Cpt 26 днів тому +4

    They call these people Woke today 😂😂 & ban them in FL

  • @johnceniceros507
    @johnceniceros507 27 днів тому +30

    June = ALLY…! And the audience applauded…! 1970…!

  • @kllwc7772
    @kllwc7772 28 днів тому +16

    June was an ally 🎉 🌈🎊📝😍😎

    • @tophers3756
      @tophers3756 27 днів тому +1

      Is an ally. She is with us still at 99!

  • @CaptainCold53
    @CaptainCold53 20 днів тому +1

    I have met June Lockhart. She is a lovely lady and a class act.

  • @carijanice6949
    @carijanice6949 22 дні тому +1

    This is wonderful! What a gift to hear this. Thanks 🙏 for this

  • @user-kb5kt1ip8w
    @user-kb5kt1ip8w 28 днів тому +37

    Love June even more

    • @markrichards6863
      @markrichards6863 27 днів тому +1

      She desrerves gay icon status. June Lockhart had your back.

  • @saifabraham6563
    @saifabraham6563 28 днів тому +22

    This is SHOCKING!!! look at the class and elegance even when they are challenged and even when they are debating a sensitive topic like homosexuality back in the day!!!! Look at us now!!! AMAZING!!!

    • @lysanamcmillan7972
      @lysanamcmillan7972 21 день тому +1

      I was watching a clip from Merv Griffin in which Bea Arthur challenged Merv Griffin for a question he asked Betty White due to its sexism. Merv was aghast that he might have screwed up and worked with Bea more than against to figure it out. It was marvelous. Some of the newer talk shows have better dignity than they did for a while, but I cannot imagine the hosts even asking something that could raise hackles and lead to honest discussion of their flaws. It's like we swung from polite even when uninformed to "all opinions are valid and I'm going to get rude if you question me" to "say nothing controversial, we have movies to sell." You had guests because they spoke well, not because they had a book to flog. I really do miss talk shows like those!

    • @Mister_Listener
      @Mister_Listener 21 день тому

      @@lysanamcmillan7972what about Morton Downey Jr, the Big Mouth…out of Seacaucus, NJ! Lol. Remember him?

  • @alanfite333
    @alanfite333 21 день тому +1

    Thank you June, for saying "stay on topic". Priceless.

  • @Andrew_Warden
    @Andrew_Warden 22 дні тому +1

    It's so awesome to see this kind of stuff long before I was even born. Shout out to the person who recorded this and preserved it!