I don't understand why they all say Selim killed that shopkeeper or caused his death. The shopkeeper attacked Selim and the guard stopped him and killed him. Standard procedure.
I love how Suleiman mentioned that he's accountable to God ( Allah) Almighty. Every ruler big or small shouldn't ever forget that whatever he does, he's going to be accountable for it to the supreme ruler of all existence, Allah Almighty.
I think if his son is drunk, Suleiman can still forgive him. But if his son rebels and goes against all his commands, there is no term of forgiveness for you
@@sadiajafrinn They did not openly rebel to the sultan. But in their every action, it was enough to seems like rebellion. They always disobeyed the sultan's order, did something without the sultan's permission and let their power exceed the sultan's power. So, it is not surprising that Suleiman will see it as a threat to his throne. I think not only suleiman, but other sultans will also consider it as an insult and rebellion to their power.
The audacity of Matrakçi 😂lying to the Sultan about both Şehzade Mustafa and Şehzade Bayezid 😂What's more, he told the Sultan the bad things about Selim. He should be objective as he was trusted by the Sultan for this assignment.
Nah i was pleased with matrakci 😅😅 whenever musttafa does something wrong hurrem and rustum were quick to tell on him while they covered for selim and bayazid so for once in his life someone covered mustaffa's mistake but i agree objectivly speeking he shouldn't have
@@kaigoukhongsai8880 but ibrahim was dead long ago and now only hurrem is manipulating the sultan and working hard to kill mustaffa so he also needs people in the court to cover for him plus matrakci also covered for bayazid when he still have his mother and like i said matrakci should have being impartial but we can tell that he had a special bound with both bayazid and mustaffa and considered them like his sons
@@kaigoukhongsai8880 well yes ibrahim loved mustaffa and was more of a father to him than suleyman could ever be and he also aimed to protect suleyman and mustaffa's realtionthip he never filled the sultan's heart with doubt against any of his sons nor tried to harm them
Even though he is portrayed as a womaniser, he only had one wife and they had many daughters and sons. He paid her salary highest and the other concubines only had 40 aspers a day.
Bestie in reality Mahidevran didn't send ANY HARM to Mehmet. Mehmet died from small pox and before that he fell ill in Manisa. Also although this series didn't show the character but Hurrem and the Sultan had another son named Abdullah who also died possibly by small pox. According to historians it is believed that he was still a toddler when he died.
Look how Hürrem defends her son Selim here! He has obviously done something wrong and she instead plays it off to Suleiman. And yet when Mustafa does something bad, she whispers in the Sultan's ears, telling him bad things and making him even more paranoid.
Mustafa is making plans to murder her sons the second Suleiman draws his last breath. I’d be tattling too. (Also given that Mahidevran had Hurrem’s son assassinated by the man he thought was his best friend… ehhhhhhhh.)
@@DimSK. still, justice demands that we must be fair with our children. Selim sinned and he must be punished accordingly, regardless of Hurrem's wishes.
@@muhammadshahroz3311wdym ?Devil always whispers in humans ears to do evil and if human listens to him . What will he say to the almighty in the judgement day. That devil made me do this . I have no fault? Devil isn't always a demon , sometimes it does it's work through some human too. That devil was Hurrem 🤡
Partiality based story arrived This man said a lot of bad things about selim but that women is still with mustafa he did not sayed anything about it. From the begining its happening here Hurrem is being tortured from the begining
Is this real? Matracki was a great scientist. It's bad if they made him bad in the series only to make a story. Dear people the sultans aren't mashum so they can make mistakes don't expecting sultans are perfect muslims
I feel the same about Hurrem and Rustem…. The story would’ve still been interesting if they stayed close to the truth. There’s no evidence that Hurrem or Rustem had a hand in Mustafa death.
@@danikameric9236 It was so strong until 1922 that even an Ottoman governor managed to rebel and chase the Ottomans all the way from Egypt to Konya in the 1800s 😂😂😂. Stop living in a fairy tale world
matrakci hiding his fav sehzada bad doing when he got asked.and telling about selim bad doing when suleiman didn't even ask specifically double standard
Mustaffa was everyone's favorite he was fair generous and a capable leader and prooved him self as worthy of becoming the sultan so it's normal this part of the serie is historicaly accurate people wanted mustaffa to succeed his father and it wasn't a secret you can look for ambassadors reports about this i mean when you have someone say "may god be with us if such a barbarian ever took the throne" about a 22 or 23 year old prince you know he's the real deal although mustaffa wasn't innocent as protrayed in this show he would have killed all his siblings
In Real History Selim was the only Ottoman emperor who is not a womanizer. He is a loyal husband. People blame him for the failure of battle of lepanto but no one admire him for conquering Cypress
5:23 Suleiman listening such things about his son with that look as if he himself isn't a womanizer lol😂 bro being 66, a father of 7, a grandfather of many grandchildren,agreed to sleep with a young concubine who was merely in her 20s and got her pregnant, in his lifetime if it wasn't for hurrem, he would've slept with 1000s of concubines The older hurrem gets, the more i hate her, when selim is doing such things in his province she's trying her best to protect him from Suleiman, but when Mustafa commits even a small offense, she sets up the entire empire against him, slanders him by Gaslighting Suleiman
Right. She did the same thing in bayezid's case when there were reports about bayezid rebel. She said her enemy set everything but suleiman didn't believe her.
@@ojasvashishtha4453 Suleiman becomes the smartest man in history when it comes to his throne, he forgives or tolerates nobody But becomes a fool when it comes to his family If you're a Dynasty member during Suleiman's reign and you want to kill your enemy who is another Dynasty member, what you need to do is somehow get them against him and his throne, the next you'll see their funeral
Shameon soliman Blindedby thetriator hurrem He must have punished selim If he was fair and just But he was multiplatedby aspy in his pAlace WHO raised her son like her disbeliever andmurderer like her
if you want my opinion he should have blamed her. After all, she was responsible for his upbringing. But she was far too busy steering up trouble, obssesivly keeping Suleiman to herself and playing her little games with Mahidevran, Ibrahim, Hatice, Sah and Fatma to raise worthy children. Selim's weak will, his drunkiness and womanizing tendacies, Bayazid's explosive temper and the Selm/Bayazid squabble is their mother's fault. Hurem wasn't a fit mother for royalty. Just like Mahidevran and hatice who were unfit for motherhood in the first place.
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ mahidevran suits for motherhood ofcourse She raised a worthy princefair just loving And loved by all Unlike burrem children triator drunk and never fits gorgeous royalty Mustafa the only one fits with royalty
Why pay? Suleiman wanted to see his grandson birth and selim decided to drunk himself full, thats only selim fault and he is the one who is gonna paid the sin
How is Matrakçi a traitor? Is it because he withheld information about the two Princes? If so, both Hürrem and Mihrimah have withheld information about Selim's habits and Bayezid's debt from the Sultan, are they traitors too? No! You would not dare call them traitors, for they are your saviours!
@@hussainsultanzada6123 you compare what? Hurrem sultna and mihrimah are mother and sister, hayredin agha and matraci are who???, They must be loyal to sultan and only to sultan. Hayredin and matraci are traitors to hide the truth. The job was completed by 1/3.
He doesn't blame her, Selim is their son so they speak on high tones and Suleiman is right to be angry and hurrem sultan like mahidevran, protects her son here. What about Beyazid and Mustafa?? Why the truths were hidden? Shame to matraci and hayredin who agrees to this treason, traitors, they just be loyal to Suleiman, not to Beyazid/Mustafa!
@@hussainsultanzada6123 no, she's mahidevil for other things. She failed to protect her son anyway, no point to comment it, she allowed the marriage to take place Infront of her eyes. Unlike mahidevran, hurrem sultan ordered huricihans exile but she shared with beyazids lala an important information in exchange to let her stay and then the lala lied to Hurrem sultan who was in capital. Mahidevran was there and done nothing to prevent it other than the usual dramaqueen. That's the truth and it has nothing to do with which of the two women I support more, but that's what will happen.
What justice suleiman was talking about? He only showed justice to common people but never did justice to his women's, his son's and his close one's.
Remember this is a show that took a lot of creative license for entertainment purposes.
I don't understand why they all say Selim killed that shopkeeper or caused his death. The shopkeeper attacked Selim and the guard stopped him and killed him. Standard procedure.
I agree with but they say he was in disguise
I dont see the difference 😅😅😅
I love how Suleiman mentioned that he's accountable to God ( Allah) Almighty.
Every ruler big or small shouldn't ever forget that whatever he does, he's going to be accountable for it to the supreme ruler of all existence, Allah Almighty.
I think if his son is drunk, Suleiman can still forgive him. But if his son rebels and goes against all his commands, there is no term of forgiveness for you
Thats messed up
@@zu1352 rebellion is so much worse than being drunk what drungs are you on sis?💀
Yes that's right, but did any of his sons rebel? I really don't think so.
@@sadiajafrinn They did not openly rebel to the sultan. But in their every action, it was enough to seems like rebellion. They always disobeyed the sultan's order, did something without the sultan's permission and let their power exceed the sultan's power. So, it is not surprising that Suleiman will see it as a threat to his throne. I think not only suleiman, but other sultans will also consider it as an insult and rebellion to their power.
He isn't muslim if he is drunk. Must be muslim to rule the ottoman empire
The audacity of Matrakçi 😂lying to the Sultan about both Şehzade Mustafa and Şehzade Bayezid 😂What's more, he told the Sultan the bad things about Selim. He should be objective as he was trusted by the Sultan for this assignment.
Yep that's why he's a traitor. Same goes to hayredin who agreed to this.
And who was this traitor loyal to.... Ibrahim!!! That's why in my eyes he was a traitor too
Nah i was pleased with matrakci 😅😅 whenever musttafa does something wrong hurrem and rustum were quick to tell on him while they covered for selim and bayazid so for once in his life someone covered mustaffa's mistake but i agree objectivly speeking he shouldn't have
@@kaigoukhongsai8880 but ibrahim was dead long ago and now only hurrem is manipulating the sultan and working hard to kill mustaffa so he also needs people in the court to cover for him plus matrakci also covered for bayazid when he still have his mother and like i said matrakci should have being impartial but we can tell that he had a special bound with both bayazid and mustaffa and considered them like his sons
@@kaigoukhongsai8880 well yes ibrahim loved mustaffa and was more of a father to him than suleyman could ever be and he also aimed to protect suleyman and mustaffa's realtionthip he never filled the sultan's heart with doubt against any of his sons nor tried to harm them
Suleiman did not wanted Bayezid to be Sultan because he was too explosive so he support Selim: a drunken and womanizer .
Great choice. I'll pick a king who's competent and fair, although volatile over a weak-willed drunken anytime
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ same
Though I wish both Mustafa and Bayezid listened to their advisors.
@@blossomroses4323 me too. Both of them were competent and bold but heedless
Even though he is portrayed as a womaniser, he only had one wife and they had many daughters and sons. He paid her salary highest and the other concubines only had 40 aspers a day.
Selim' drunk only affect himself but bayezid's short temper may effect everything
Suleiman In season 3-4( especially in season 4) was weak and easily manipulated
He is easily manipulated from the beginning. The moment he saw Hurrem.
THIS CLIP PROVES THAT ONLY MEHMET IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR THE THRONE.
BUT EVIL MAHIDEVRAN COULDN'T ACCEPT THE TRUTH AND KILL HIM. SHAME.
Yes!!!! Well said friend, well said!!
@Aishiki Dutta exactly. Good observation. And Hurrem too (in this series) tried to kill Mustafa. So it's pretty much understandable.
Bestie in reality Mahidevran didn't send ANY HARM to Mehmet. Mehmet died from small pox and before that he fell ill in Manisa.
Also although this series didn't show the character but Hurrem and the Sultan had another son named Abdullah who also died possibly by small pox. According to historians it is believed that he was still a toddler when he died.
@@haikyuuri and hurrem sultan didn't kill Mustafa.
@@naomidiamond1999 and mahidevran for mehmed, don't lie.
Look how Hürrem defends her son Selim here! He has obviously done something wrong and she instead plays it off to Suleiman. And yet when Mustafa does something bad, she whispers in the Sultan's ears, telling him bad things and making him even more paranoid.
Yeah, Mustafa isn't her son, as if mahidevran wouldn't do it lol.
Mustafa is making plans to murder her sons the second Suleiman draws his last breath. I’d be tattling too.
(Also given that Mahidevran had Hurrem’s son assassinated by the man he thought was his best friend… ehhhhhhhh.)
@@DimSK. still, justice demands that we must be fair with our children. Selim sinned and he must be punished accordingly, regardless of Hurrem's wishes.
@@cloverazar5315 stil, Selim sinned and he must be punished accordingly, regardless of Hurrem's wishes.
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ μα φυσικά , και οι 3 έκαναν λάθος και οι 3 τιμωρία.
"How will I explain this when I'm on the other side "
The same way you will explain mustafa murder....
He was manipulated he has no fault
@@muhammadshahroz3311wdym ?Devil always whispers in humans ears to do evil and if human listens to him . What will he say to the almighty in the judgement day. That devil made me do this . I have no fault? Devil isn't always a demon , sometimes it does it's work through some human too. That devil was Hurrem 🤡
The Sultan spoke the absolute truth about🙏🙏🙏🙏 GOD and ⚖️⚖️⚖️⚖️justice, Amen❗❗❗❗‼️‼️‼️‼️
too bad all kings couldn't believe in these principals.
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μMind your own business
Partiality based story arrived
This man said a lot of bad things about selim but that women is still with mustafa he did not sayed anything about it.
From the begining its happening here
Hurrem is being tortured from the begining
He should be ashamed because of him his old father's pride hurt
Thanks for adding.
Hurrem 🤦
Excuses about the princes when the sultan is to be upright moral example for his citizens, subjects even his own family to follow.
U should do justice suliman remove Selim from manisa and but other sons there to Manisa or grandson🎉❤
Is this real? Matracki was a great scientist. It's bad if they made him bad in the series only to make a story. Dear people the sultans aren't mashum so they can make mistakes don't expecting sultans are perfect muslims
I feel the same about Hurrem and Rustem…. The story would’ve still been interesting if they stayed close to the truth. There’s no evidence that Hurrem or Rustem had a hand in Mustafa death.
Point is he killed the viable option for throne. Now he’s dealing with the dregs of it. Selim II set a precedence that plagued the empire til its end.
So shamefull hurrem she doesn't want to punish salim for his evils and mistakes ... every time this wrong favouritism destroy this empire
Lmaoooo bottt! Empire was strong until 1922, that’s 500 years after Hurrem ahahahhahaha
@@danikameric9236 It was so strong until 1922 that even an Ottoman governor managed to rebel and chase the Ottomans all the way from Egypt to Konya in the 1800s 😂😂😂. Stop living in a fairy tale world
matrakci hiding his fav sehzada bad doing when he got asked.and telling about selim bad doing when suleiman didn't even ask specifically double standard
Y r these ppl saving Mustafa & want him to be the next king,?
They are saving beyazid too
Blind
@@Aliaakaramm I'm not talking about this scene alone. I'm talking about the whole time from starting they are like this only saving Mustafa.
@@buddingdoctor4743 and saving beyazid as well too
Mustaffa was everyone's favorite he was fair generous and a capable leader and prooved him self as worthy of becoming the sultan so it's normal this part of the serie is historicaly accurate people wanted mustaffa to succeed his father and it wasn't a secret you can look for ambassadors reports about this i mean when you have someone say "may god be with us if such a barbarian ever took the throne" about a 22 or 23 year old prince you know he's the real deal although mustaffa wasn't innocent as protrayed in this show he would have killed all his siblings
@@kikima258 yep he wouldn't leave anyone alive, he would also become a murderer and wasn't as naive as series try to portray him.
Toxic comments is everywhere
In Real History Selim was the only Ottoman emperor who is not a womanizer. He is a loyal husband. People blame him for the failure of battle of lepanto but no one admire him for conquering Cypress
haha !!!!!!!!!!!! yet if drunk u live but if strongs and fearless like lion u get assasinated wtf
Harem full of women and putting concubines over his legal wife...
Is told his son is a womanizer.... Gasp!
How terrible!
Ffs... lol
🤦🏼♀️
What is the episode number?
111
5:23 Suleiman listening such things about his son with that look as if he himself isn't a womanizer lol😂 bro being 66, a father of 7, a grandfather of many grandchildren,agreed to sleep with a young concubine who was merely in her 20s and got her pregnant, in his lifetime if it wasn't for hurrem, he would've slept with 1000s of concubines
The older hurrem gets, the more i hate her, when selim is doing such things in his province she's trying her best to protect him from Suleiman, but when Mustafa commits even a small offense, she sets up the entire empire against him, slanders him by Gaslighting Suleiman
Right. She did the same thing in bayezid's case when there were reports about bayezid rebel. She said her enemy set everything but suleiman didn't believe her.
@@ojasvashishtha4453 Suleiman becomes the smartest man in history when it comes to his throne, he forgives or tolerates nobody
But becomes a fool when it comes to his family
If you're a Dynasty member during Suleiman's reign and you want to kill your enemy who is another Dynasty member, what you need to do is somehow get them against him and his throne, the next you'll see their funeral
Shameon soliman
Blindedby thetriator hurrem
He must have punished selim
If he was fair and just
But he was multiplatedby aspy in his pAlace
WHO raised her son like her disbeliever andmurderer like her
if you want my opinion he should have blamed her. After all, she was responsible for his upbringing. But she was far too busy steering up trouble, obssesivly keeping Suleiman to herself and playing her little games with Mahidevran, Ibrahim, Hatice, Sah and Fatma to raise worthy children.
Selim's weak will, his drunkiness and womanizing tendacies, Bayazid's explosive temper and the Selm/Bayazid squabble is their mother's fault. Hurem wasn't a fit mother for royalty. Just like Mahidevran and hatice who were unfit for motherhood in the first place.
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ tbh Suleiman in this season was brainless
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ mahidevran suits for motherhood ofcourse
She raised a worthy princefair just loving
And loved by all
Unlike burrem children triator drunk and never fits gorgeous royalty
Mustafa the only one fits with royalty
@@blossomroses4323 in evrey season he was just not jn season 1
@@Aliaakaramm he did seem like a very promising candidate. Only Mehmet could rival Mustafa
Traitors of empire both matraci and hayredin agha, both will pay.
Why pay? Suleiman wanted to see his grandson birth and selim decided to drunk himself full, thats only selim fault and he is the one who is gonna paid the sin
How is Matrakçi a traitor? Is it because he withheld information about the two Princes? If so, both Hürrem and Mihrimah have withheld information about Selim's habits and Bayezid's debt from the Sultan, are they traitors too? No! You would not dare call them traitors, for they are your saviours!
@@ekaterina472 they hide the truths for Mustafa and Beyazid. What you say is another incident which isn't shown yet.
@@hussainsultanzada6123 you compare what? Hurrem sultna and mihrimah are mother and sister, hayredin agha and matraci are who???, They must be loyal to sultan and only to sultan. Hayredin and matraci are traitors to hide the truth. The job was completed by 1/3.
Now you start calling traitor anyone, I think you should go learn the right meaning of traitor
Why blame her.
He doesn't blame her, Selim is their son so they speak on high tones and Suleiman is right to be angry and hurrem sultan like mahidevran, protects her son here.
What about Beyazid and Mustafa?? Why the truths were hidden? Shame to matraci and hayredin who agrees to this treason, traitors, they just be loyal to Suleiman, not to Beyazid/Mustafa!
Because she is selims mother? Suleiman did have not time to raise a child, this was normal in these century
@@DimSK. Alright so when Hürrem 'protects' her son it's ok but when Mahidevran does it she is 'Mahidevil'. Interesting.
@@hussainsultanzada6123 no, she's mahidevil for other things. She failed to protect her son anyway, no point to comment it, she allowed the marriage to take place Infront of her eyes.
Unlike mahidevran, hurrem sultan ordered huricihans exile but she shared with beyazids lala an important information in exchange to let her stay and then the lala lied to Hurrem sultan who was in capital.
Mahidevran was there and done nothing to prevent it other than the usual dramaqueen.
That's the truth and it has nothing to do with which of the two women I support more, but that's what will happen.
Bec she wss the one who raised him to be like her murder 8nocents
🤣🤣😂
Lies lies
Womanizer?? They all are...those whi can at least sultan first
Point is he killed the viable option for throne. Now he’s dealing with the dregs of it. Selim II set a precedence that plagued the empire til its end.