One other comment. Love how Huber started the podcast saying the state of play was a 0/10 but then proceeds to say something great about nearly every game.
The ff7 remake trilogy combat has the most fun combat I’ve played in a while. Perfect combo of action + turned base, hope they continue upgrading that system
People say that it is mix of real time and turn based but I am not able to see the turn based part. What is turn based about it? It is completely realtime I think. Real question.
I get everybody has different tastes but for me, I had a lot of issues with FF7 remake but Rebirth is actually one of my favorite games of all time. It felt so unnecessarily high quality throughout and it was the first game to ever make me cry. The sales and negative opinions hurt man 😆
Love how confused and dismissive they are over the Nikki trailer when it's the most popular trailer from the State of Play. Also it's being made with developers who literally worked on Zelds games like botw, so it isn't copying Genshin, if anything it's taking from Zelda.
Man I feel like I’m the only one actually excited for Ballad of Antara. Sure it is clearly inspired by the soulsborne games but at honestly so are many others and it looks way better than other souls clones.
Huber's reaction to the State of Play was so insanely OTT lmao. Not saying it was an incredible showing, but i mean it was a *State of Play* - you never really get alot of big 1st party news on those, unless its gameplay of releases which are coming up soon. 1st party reveals are very rare, even for smaller games like Astro so that was even surprising to see here (forgetting about the leak for a second). So Huber only has himself to blame for possibly expecting big reveals like Ghost 2, new IP from Naughty Dog etc. Those things would be at a showcase instead. SoPs are generally showing 3rd party games and fulfilling obligations Sony have with their partners, so this was a very typical show. Its a bit crazy Huber was so surprised by this Feels like he's missing Brad being beside him for these things to balance him out a bit
Yeah I feel the same about his opinion. I feel like he set expectations that were really never going to be met on a SOP. Yet he was soo insanely high on Silent Hill 2 remake, when I thought game did not look all that great.
Lol Brad is just as bad when it comes to these expectations and opinions on games. The only one who actually has his expectation in check regarding these things is Blood
Damiani has repeatedly claimed in multiple episodes, including this one, that FFXVI "for a fact" had a smaller budget than FFVII Rebirth. However, I couldn't find any articles, interviews, or other sources confirming this. The only relevant information I found were several interviews with Naoki Yoshida, where he expresses surprise that Square Enix approved such a large development budget for FFXVI. I'm curious about the source of Damiani's information. Additionally, Bloodworth mentioned that FFXV and FFVII Remake sold much better than the newer games. While this might be true for FFXV, which sold 5 million copies on day one, FFVII Remake only sold 500,000 more copies than FFXVI in its opening week. FFVII Remake sold 3.5 million copies in its first week under ideal conditions during the early pandemic lockdowns on a platform with a large install base, whereas FFXVI sold 3 million copies in the same timeframe.
@@skytrot I was just really curious if that information is out there and if I missed it somewhere in my extensive research. I would be kinda disappointed in him and in EZA to a degree if that information turns out to be fully made up as he doubled down on it so hard.
I've noticed this as well and I don't recall any evidence for Damiani's claims. FFXVI was probably in development longer than Rebirth so if anything it might've had a bigger budget.
He said it with so much confidence that I didn’t even think of doubting him before I saw your comment. Would be appreciated if @EZA cited his sources on this
He said it with so much confidence that I didn’t even think of doubting him before I saw your comment. Would be appreciated if @EZA cited his sources on this
Playstation is resting on its laurels..... no big games....Stellar blade(a ps exclusive) is one of my favorites this year... best selling game of the month Wooo -Huber Look I love Sont first party as much as the next guy, do we want them to take there time and show us when its ready without crunch or do we want what we want now and pluck you till you give it to me.
Hero is during Warring States which is 300-400 years before Three Kingdoms period in 220 to 280 AD. Warring States timeline has never been fixed as the evidence varies too much but basically 481-403 BC to 221 BC when the Qin Dynasty unified China under Qin Shi Huang who is the first emperor of China. He is known for starting the Great Wall of China project and his Mausoleum guarded by the Terracotta Army. Would love Dynasty Warriors to branch to other time periods but they never will.
People who say just watch a movie are crazy in my opinion. A movie and a show can be limited. A game doesn't have to be limited. Even if I'm just pressing a button, I'm getting a unique experience and story. Movies are too short, games don't have to be. Some games that are just gameplay can be boring, I want the linear experience.
Maaaan I really wanted to hear more about Huber's lost love for Nintendo with Paper Mario for the Wii... but then Domioni did in fact pick up exactly where he left off, when the blessed Huber violently interrupted him. 😅😂❤
I think Isla is being a typical jaded Silent Hill fan, which I totally understand (bc I'm one of those). But I agree with Huber that the atmosphere looks spot on. I'm still cautiously optimistic but more optimistic now. I want it to do well Also, I can't wait to hear the new music and arrangements!
I never played the original, but it does look like they got the atmosphere right. But it also does all look very stiff and there's just something missing. Tension? Might just be the trailers not doing it any favours
Huber you said "context" but this is a state of play and not a showcase. Seems like you forgot the entire context. Btw Dynasty Warriors origins made the state of play an A+. Extra hype. It's been too long.
To all the Easy Allies crew, but specially Bloodworth or Gaby: I hope you read this and can pass this insight/perspective to all the other Allies when it comes to Final Fantasy and sales. This isn't a correction, it's just a very thought out reasoning why the Final Fantasy games aren't selling as well and I hope this can be passed to the rest of the Easy Allies crew. TL;DR: Square Enix is releasing new Final Fantasy games almost yearly - similar to what Ubisoft did to Assassin's Creed in the past - and people are fatigued by very long annualized games. Kinda Funny Games did a discussion - I believe it was between Blessing and Greg Miller - in a Kinda Funny Daily episode, the one where they were discussing Square Enix's statement about going multiplatform and Blessing brought up what I believe is the most relevant information and point of view to have. Basically, Blessing researched and talked about the release dates and cadence/rate of releases of Final Fantasy games and it became crystal clear that Square Enix was releasing a new Final Fantasy game almost yearly and Blessing likened this to what Ubisoft was doing with the Assassin's Creed games in the past and to what Activision does with Call of Duty currently. In essence, Square Enix basically annualized Final Fantasy. Blessing also touched on the fact that these are JRPG games with a very long story and playtime, suggesting many people are fatigued from them - just like many people got fatigued with the annualized very large open-world Assassin's Creed games in the past. Blessing also brought up the fact that Final Fantasy games used to be very special, like an event, and that this perception has passed, which personally, I have felt it too. Long gone are the days in which the release of a Final Fantasy game was an event and made the whole industry stop and pay attention. This is of course subjective and it will still feel like that to many people, but I suspect that to most people, releasing so many Final Fantasy games in a short time has made them lose some of the charm and magic they held for people. Sorry for the wall of text, but I wanted to convey in detail their discussion and how after Blessing started saying the release dates of Final Fantasy games, it became clear that they have been almost annualized, which helps explain why their sales aren't going as well lately. And of course, the exclusivity to PlayStation consoles doesn't help.
The yearly release argument for why it doesn't feel like an event anymore doesn't make sense. Final Fantasy at it's peak as an event was 1997 - 2004 when it was yearly. 97: FF7 & Tactics (Japan) 98: FF Tactics outside of Japan 99:FF8 00:FF9 01:FFX 02: FF11 (Japan) & Kingdom Hearts (technically a spin off) 03: FF11 on PC in the West & FF X-2 04: FF11 PS2 in the West
@@stonehorn4641 The Switch alone was a big risk. They changed the Zelda formula with BoTW and ToTK. Here are some new IPs they published this generation: 1-2-Switch and Everybody 1-2 Switch ARMS Astral Chain Daemon X Machina (Published WW) Fitness Boxing Nintendo LABO Sushi Striker Ring Fit Adventure Snipperclips Flip Wars The Stretchers Good Job!
@@stonehorn4641 Are you serious? Look at the amount of new IPs they've released this gen so far, also, the Switch alone was a big risk, even BoTW and ToTK were big risks too since they completely changed the formula of one of their most beloved franchises.
@@stonehorn4641ARMS, 1 2 Switch, Labor, Ring Fit, Mario Kart Home Circuit, the fact that they did a hybrid system as their sole console to begin with.
I don’t remember Paper Mario 2 that much, played it on the GameCube in 2004, looking forward to playing it on Switch again. The Origami king was fantastic too, really funny and a joy to play. Paper Mario is one of my favorite series ❤
I think it's wild that we're already worried about the end of the PS5 and Series X's respective life cycles, especially given the context of how long the Switch has survived. I think that the suits are all worried about the bottom line, or rather the perceived flattening of that upward line, because they expect all the major, high-budget triple A's to move consoles when the problem is that they are refusing to lower the price of consoles and instead doing what so many other industries are doing as well; rather than lower prices for aging tech, they want to keep releasing new versions of consoles for MORE money while keeping the original versions at, or at least near, their original prices. Restaurants have been doing this forever where instead of giving you a sensible portion at a lower price, they pile on more food than anyone should need for more money. The Allies said it themselves in this episode, so many people are still on Sony's console, it's just that they're still on last gen's console because this gen's are just too god damned expensive and there's no significant price reduction in sight. If they want more people to buy their big games they need to reduce the barrier to entry and let the smaller commodity sell more regularly instead of just being stubborn then crossing their arms across their chests like 5 year olds when consumers refuse to go bankrupt just to keep publishers lines going up. I really wonder how much these suits paid for their mba's because those degrees weren't quality enough for these schmucks to realize that they got bamboozled themselves.
I really hope the relatively low sales of Rebirth won't jeopardise part 3. Hopefully the budget is set and under control. Longer term, I have no idea how Squeenix could truly turn the tide. Maybe when the full trilogy is available or if they put it on the Switch 2 something will change
it's so sad to see how much the silent hill "fans" want every new they do to fail no matter what.The trailer was genuinely good, it won't be perfect as any game is, but there's no reason to be so nitpicking. The trailer showed a possibily great game and I'm ready to replay sh2 with it
This first party narrative has turned the gaming ecosystem so toxic. People disregard good 3rd party exclusives and devalue them based on who made them and that's so short sighted. A good game is goof regardless of where it came from.
@@EasyAllies I don't know if there are youtube's own settings in addition to the Allies' settings but there were wayyy too many ads in there for it to have been your settings. At least it seems that way. Either way, thanks!
The economic headwinds dude. Cost of living just continuing to worsen means I can't justify spending on entertainment. My deepest apologies to Square Enix.
The State of Play was pretty disappointing but it's okay. There's no shortage of games tight now. What's crazy is it's already been 4 years since TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima. I'm sure sequels are coming at some point. Getting a release window on those games would go a long way for people. Also, super curious to see what Bluepoint has been cooking up. They've been quiet since DS released in 2020.
I do genuinely hope it lives up to that for you! Personally, something seems like it's just missing in the trailers so far. But hopefully that's just them showing it badly.
Isla was gatekeeping a bit due to her love of the original but doesn't realise this is to sell to new players. This is to get new players who may also be used to Resident Evil remakes. The original is 23 years old.
The Until Dawn remake contains new and extended scenes that were cut from the original, so I've heard. So there will be new content. It also contains a new adjustable camera and not fixed camera like in the original. So I might check it out again if the price is right.
Remember when people said just make good games and they will sell haha 7Remake 2 a 92 on Metacritic snd 93 on Opencritic, their highest rated game in a very long time and Damiani basically wants Square to cater to the common denominator haha he will then complain down the road that they and creatively bankrupt for just making the same games as other devs smh He is also constantly making very hypocritical and flip floppy comments about Square and their budgets and game design.
He does realize that there’s still 60 million people who play on PS4, never mind anyone else they can attract to the console? There’s still plenty of sales to be acquired with the PS5. Of course they’re going to have some AAA Sony studio games. I fully expect, a naughty dog game, Wolverine & Ghosts 2 to be on PS5. At least those, maybe 2 or 3 more. Why jump into PS6? This console is their most successful in terms of player spending. Don’t jump the gun. I think 2028 would be the time for PS6
huber sony's games take 6 years to get made and no studio have been without a release for so long, ofc they don't have anything ready yet maybe 2025 and 6 will see some good stuff
Silent Hill 2 is only on PS5 and PC. They are pushing Until Dawn because of the PC version and there’s a movie coming. On what platforms would FF16 and 7R be on? Certainly not the Switch, Xbox sales are abysmal and these kind of games don’t sell very well on that platform, yeah it could help a little bit but that’s not the problem. PC ports are coming, while not day one with PS, for the long run I think they’ll be ok. I would expect a September showcase with the Pro announcement. PS6 is 2027 at the earliest, 2028 is when I think it will come out.
Honestly I gotta admit the David Duchovny memes with Angela were kinda funny, but I feel so sorry for the actress though, I understand people not liking her because she looks way TOO different from the original Angela but people seem to forget there's a real person behind it... I'm not sure if they can even fix this at this point in development, nor if they should or not, I think it was just wrong casting
1:38:51 Nintendo is not bad at story writing. It is not their focus. They are not even trying. But why they don't give a sh*t to story is valid criticism. Personally I am not huge Nintendo fan. I don't care. Also disagree with Huber. Story is not important for every game. If game's focus is story then it is important. I think If studio does not have good writers or if they don't have good story to tell, they should keep it minimal. I am playing PS4 ratchet and clank recently. Omg cutscenes and dialogues are dreadful. When cutscene comes I am like "leave me alone." I don't think it is not even good for kids.
Love how huber doesnt like the mario rpgs recently being to "safe" but continues to ingore series like xenoblade and fire emblem, bayonetta. Why does everything always have to be only about Zelda or Mario? Also yes gameplay over story
Huber is such a crazy Dude... Sometimes its just to much. There is nobody left to compensate his energy. Miss Bradley and co.... Still love you guys, don't ne mad but Sometimes its just a little to much. 🥴
I was like you not wanting to spend money on Fortnite but sometimes there are just skins I want. I want the collabs. I don't get them all the time. Also, I get to support a game I play a lot.
Isla is right about the quickening of generational cultural trends. Strange new ways indeed. We havent had enough time to reflect on it and see the scope of it
3:40:50 Isla is on the money but forgot about the fact too many games are being released every month. And people are finding out that a AAA 50 hour game isn’t worth even trying if they are having fun elsewhere.
Nintendo doesnt ignore story Its just not their entire focus. I wish we can stop generalize based on select games. Of course Huber says that when he only plays Mario and Zelda and barely even that. Mario isnt even knows for story, Zelda more and they never had that grandious story anyway. NIntendo does exists outside of Mario and Zelda. For me personally Mario and Zelda arent even their best franchises to play. Also i prefer gameplay over story. Also story doesnt exist only on voicelines and expensive mo-cap. Most Nintendo Ips are gameplay focussed but some have both but they dont exist because they are not named Zelda or Mario or have expensive realistic mo-cap. If a game is not fun to play then i dont care how good the story is.
@@justinburchett8424 i mean you can use that argument for paper mario or mario rpgs but as a whole? You can say that but use paper mario as a argument is just stupid imo. If you only care about story then maybe their games are not that interesting unless you talk about Xenoblade or Fire Emblem which he doesnt play.
I would love to play and enjoy FF rebirth, but finishing remake and 16 was such a chore, the pacing and length were a drag on otherwise enjoyable games. Knowing that rebirthbis massively longer just puts me off. Make the critical path 30hours, crit + good sidequests 50h total and then if you want pad it with as much openworld stuff as you want. Even the demo had me rolling my eyes at the pacing (vaccums and crawling sections)
That is because there is no e3 anymore. People were like "ohh we don't need e3. Glad it went away" But publishers were racing with each other for the best e3 performance. Since there is no e3, there is no competition.
If you could only see the big devilish grin on my face because of the "resting on your laurels" phrase coming from Huber (OF ALL PEOPLE) 😈😈😈 If I wanted to play devil's advocate, WOOOOOOO My thing for the state of play, I wasn't expecting anything big. The Fall and Winter is very dry and I was expecting release dates for those seasons. Personally, I'm eating good this year. I got JRPGs and fighting games. I'm even trying out games I don't usually play (metroidvanias, rogue-likes). That being said I still thought the state of play was a 4-5/10. I only liked Where Winds Meet, Dynasty Warriors Origin and Astro Bot
Yes being in a single platform contributing factor but Final Fantasy's biggest problem is that fanbase is small and it is not growing. FF13 and FF15 hurt the series so much. Entire PS3 and PS4 generation there were no good mainline final fantasy game. It is around 15 years. And the latest PS5 games looks really unappealing for the people who are outside of the series. When I look at FF7 Rebirth all I see busy work open world stuff and incoherent mini games. Personally I am waiting for it to come ps plus. They have to do something to make it appealing to wider audiences. If f*king BG3 did it, it can be done by billions dollar worth publisher.
Hubers right though. This SOP was not great. Infact Playstation is probably the most boring company for me these days when it comes to show stuff off. Nintendo and Xbox has better "conferences" by far.
Playstation no reason to buy a console, Xbox just going downhill and corporate, Nintendo need new console and more hardcore ips. And dont let me talk about companies like ubisoft etc. Gaming is so bad nowadays this gen is a farce and everyone should stop supporting these companies for a time being. You can easily play amazing indie games with passion behind them.
The economic headwinds dude. Cost of living just continuing to worsen means I can't justify spending on entertainment. My deepest apologies to Square Enix.
New show idea: Mark Huber’s words, take the format of the trial of Kyle Bossman and make Huber defend his outlandish predictions
One other comment. Love how Huber started the podcast saying the state of play was a 0/10 but then proceeds to say something great about nearly every game.
They are all hypocrites and flip flops and have zero thought for the stuff they are spewing out of their mouth.
Calm down dude. It's ok.
@@skytrot easy, brainrot.
@@kulturvultur5036how else to do explain it?
@@DravenxEyelessBloodworth called him out for it also if you watched/listened. Huber can be on something sometimes I think.
The ff7 remake trilogy combat has the most fun combat I’ve played in a while. Perfect combo of action + turned base, hope they continue upgrading that system
People say that it is mix of real time and turn based but I am not able to see the turn based part. What is turn based about it? It is completely realtime I think. Real question.
@@hododod246 I believe its when you slow time slightly as you pick moves. So active turn based is probably better way to describe it.
I get everybody has different tastes but for me, I had a lot of issues with FF7 remake but Rebirth is actually one of my favorite games of all time. It felt so unnecessarily high quality throughout and it was the first game to ever make me cry. The sales and negative opinions hurt man 😆
@@hododod246 FF hasn’t been turn based since FFIV. It has an ATB that allows you to use command abilities and spells. It’s the best system in any RPG.
@stonehorn4641 FFX was the last turn based mainline Final fantasy
This was JUICY and SGF week hasn't even started yet. Im pumped for whats to come. Always peak vibes spending this time of year with EZA, L&R
Unfortunately EZA is a shadow of what it used to be. I find it hard to watch now. Just watched some of it for the State of Play commentary
Isla sure has beef with FF these days… make it fun?? Bizarre
She has beef with everything, awful vibes
@@justaguy2732such is the disease known as narcissism
It’s a shame FF XVI is being talked about as such a disappointing title sales-wise. One of if not maybe my favorite game this generation
Same!!! When I was playing it I thought to myself THIS is what the ps5 was made for.
It was good, but as a Final Fantasy it was incredibly lacking. Remake/Rebirth were so much better.
It is a great game, but not a great final fantasy game.
@@tcg2717
It’s great.
It’s called Final Fantasy XVI.
It’s a great Final Fantasy game.
@@Hozasaru Happy for you!
Love how confused and dismissive they are over the Nikki trailer when it's the most popular trailer from the State of Play. Also it's being made with developers who literally worked on Zelds games like botw, so it isn't copying Genshin, if anything it's taking from Zelda.
Man I feel like I’m the only one actually excited for Ballad of Antara. Sure it is clearly inspired by the soulsborne games but at honestly so are many others and it looks way better than other souls clones.
I think the deflated enthusiasm comes from its free to play -ness
It doesn’t look that good
Huber's reaction to the State of Play was so insanely OTT lmao. Not saying it was an incredible showing, but i mean it was a *State of Play* - you never really get alot of big 1st party news on those, unless its gameplay of releases which are coming up soon. 1st party reveals are very rare, even for smaller games like Astro so that was even surprising to see here (forgetting about the leak for a second). So Huber only has himself to blame for possibly expecting big reveals like Ghost 2, new IP from Naughty Dog etc. Those things would be at a showcase instead. SoPs are generally showing 3rd party games and fulfilling obligations Sony have with their partners, so this was a very typical show. Its a bit crazy Huber was so surprised by this
Feels like he's missing Brad being beside him for these things to balance him out a bit
Yeah I feel the same about his opinion. I feel like he set expectations that were really never going to be met on a SOP. Yet he was soo insanely high on Silent Hill 2 remake, when I thought game did not look all that great.
Plus he said like 80% of the games looked "sick".
Lol Brad is just as bad when it comes to these expectations and opinions on games. The only one who actually has his expectation in check regarding these things is Blood
as a person who likes vr game, it's really fun to hear you guys bash vr
Stellar Blade is AWESOME!!
Silent Hill 2 looks awful, and it’s one of my favourite horror games
Damiani has repeatedly claimed in multiple episodes, including this one, that FFXVI "for a fact" had a smaller budget than FFVII Rebirth. However, I couldn't find any articles, interviews, or other sources confirming this. The only relevant information I found were several interviews with Naoki Yoshida, where he expresses surprise that Square Enix approved such a large development budget for FFXVI. I'm curious about the source of Damiani's information.
Additionally, Bloodworth mentioned that FFXV and FFVII Remake sold much better than the newer games. While this might be true for FFXV, which sold 5 million copies on day one, FFVII Remake only sold 500,000 more copies than FFXVI in its opening week. FFVII Remake sold 3.5 million copies in its first week under ideal conditions during the early pandemic lockdowns on a platform with a large install base, whereas FFXVI sold 3 million copies in the same timeframe.
Damiani spills nonsensical stuff about Square and FF most of the time, so it’s not new.
@@skytrot I was just really curious if that information is out there and if I missed it somewhere in my extensive research. I would be kinda disappointed in him and in EZA to a degree if that information turns out to be fully made up as he doubled down on it so hard.
I've noticed this as well and I don't recall any evidence for Damiani's claims. FFXVI was probably in development longer than Rebirth so if anything it might've had a bigger budget.
He said it with so much confidence that I didn’t even think of doubting him before I saw your comment. Would be appreciated if @EZA cited his sources on this
He said it with so much confidence that I didn’t even think of doubting him before I saw your comment. Would be appreciated if @EZA cited his sources on this
1-3 were already confirmed on accident a long time ago and Midori also confirmed it. She hasn't been wrong yet.
Great show this week!
Playstation is resting on its laurels..... no big games....Stellar blade(a ps exclusive) is one of my favorites this year... best selling game of the month Wooo -Huber
Look I love Sont first party as much as the next guy, do we want them to take there time and show us when its ready without crunch or do we want what we want now and pluck you till you give it to me.
Hero is during Warring States which is 300-400 years before Three Kingdoms period in 220 to 280 AD. Warring States timeline has never been fixed as the evidence varies too much but basically 481-403 BC to 221 BC when the Qin Dynasty unified China under Qin Shi Huang who is the first emperor of China. He is known for starting the Great Wall of China project and his Mausoleum guarded by the Terracotta Army.
Would love Dynasty Warriors to branch to other time periods but they never will.
That would be the dream.
I love you, Huber! And don't worry about PlayStation, we'll be eating this fall! You're gonna cry when you see the next ND game!
People who say just watch a movie are crazy in my opinion. A movie and a show can be limited. A game doesn't have to be limited. Even if I'm just pressing a button, I'm getting a unique experience and story. Movies are too short, games don't have to be. Some games that are just gameplay can be boring, I want the linear experience.
What?
Maaaan I really wanted to hear more about Huber's lost love for Nintendo with Paper Mario for the Wii... but then Domioni did in fact pick up exactly where he left off, when the blessed Huber violently interrupted him. 😅😂❤
I think Isla is being a typical jaded Silent Hill fan, which I totally understand (bc I'm one of those). But I agree with Huber that the atmosphere looks spot on. I'm still cautiously optimistic but more optimistic now. I want it to do well
Also, I can't wait to hear the new music and arrangements!
I never played the original, but it does look like they got the atmosphere right. But it also does all look very stiff and there's just something missing. Tension? Might just be the trailers not doing it any favours
Huber you said "context" but this is a state of play and not a showcase. Seems like you forgot the entire context.
Btw Dynasty Warriors origins made the state of play an A+. Extra hype. It's been too long.
its hilarious how the biggest trailer of the show with the most views is Infinite Nikki lol. It's a massive franchise that I also never heard of.
To all the Easy Allies crew, but specially Bloodworth or Gaby:
I hope you read this and can pass this insight/perspective to all the other Allies when it comes to Final Fantasy and sales. This isn't a correction, it's just a very thought out reasoning why the Final Fantasy games aren't selling as well and I hope this can be passed to the rest of the Easy Allies crew.
TL;DR: Square Enix is releasing new Final Fantasy games almost yearly - similar to what Ubisoft did to Assassin's Creed in the past - and people are fatigued by very long annualized games.
Kinda Funny Games did a discussion - I believe it was between Blessing and Greg Miller - in a Kinda Funny Daily episode, the one where they were discussing Square Enix's statement about going multiplatform and Blessing brought up what I believe is the most relevant information and point of view to have.
Basically, Blessing researched and talked about the release dates and cadence/rate of releases of Final Fantasy games and it became crystal clear that Square Enix was releasing a new Final Fantasy game almost yearly and Blessing likened this to what Ubisoft was doing with the Assassin's Creed games in the past and to what Activision does with Call of Duty currently.
In essence, Square Enix basically annualized Final Fantasy. Blessing also touched on the fact that these are JRPG games with a very long story and playtime, suggesting many people are fatigued from them - just like many people got fatigued with the annualized very large open-world Assassin's Creed games in the past.
Blessing also brought up the fact that Final Fantasy games used to be very special, like an event, and that this perception has passed, which personally, I have felt it too. Long gone are the days in which the release of a Final Fantasy game was an event and made the whole industry stop and pay attention. This is of course subjective and it will still feel like that to many people, but I suspect that to most people, releasing so many Final Fantasy games in a short time has made them lose some of the charm and magic they held for people.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I wanted to convey in detail their discussion and how after Blessing started saying the release dates of Final Fantasy games, it became clear that they have been almost annualized, which helps explain why their sales aren't going as well lately. And of course, the exclusivity to PlayStation consoles doesn't help.
The yearly release argument for why it doesn't feel like an event anymore doesn't make sense. Final Fantasy at it's peak as an event was 1997 - 2004 when it was yearly.
97: FF7 & Tactics (Japan)
98: FF Tactics outside of Japan
99:FF8
00:FF9
01:FFX
02: FF11 (Japan) & Kingdom Hearts (technically a spin off)
03: FF11 on PC in the West & FF X-2
04: FF11 PS2 in the West
The longer development times between mainline games has actually hurt Final Fantasy sales wise more than anything else.
yakuza and persona do it with no problem. I think not being on last gen is a bigger issue
I thought the cutscene looked good. It would make a good show.
"Nintendo, take more risks" imagine saying this with a straight face
When has Nintendo taken any risks this generation? They made great games, but did almost nothing new or original
@@stonehorn4641 The Switch alone was a big risk.
They changed the Zelda formula with BoTW and ToTK.
Here are some new IPs they published this generation:
1-2-Switch and Everybody 1-2 Switch
ARMS
Astral Chain
Daemon X Machina (Published WW)
Fitness Boxing
Nintendo LABO
Sushi Striker
Ring Fit Adventure
Snipperclips
Flip Wars
The Stretchers
Good Job!
@@stonehorn4641 Are you serious? Look at the amount of new IPs they've released this gen so far, also, the Switch alone was a big risk, even BoTW and ToTK were big risks too since they completely changed the formula of one of their most beloved franchises.
@@stonehorn4641ARMS, 1 2 Switch, Labor, Ring Fit, Mario Kart Home Circuit, the fact that they did a hybrid system as their sole console to begin with.
2:35:10 the subtle far cry diss lol
I don’t remember Paper Mario 2 that much, played it on the GameCube in 2004, looking forward to playing it on Switch again. The Origami king was fantastic too, really funny and a joy to play. Paper Mario is one of my favorite series ❤
Not excited for concord but to me marvels rivals and concord arent equivalent cuz one is 3rd person and one is 1st. Two completely different games
I think it's wild that we're already worried about the end of the PS5 and Series X's respective life cycles, especially given the context of how long the Switch has survived. I think that the suits are all worried about the bottom line, or rather the perceived flattening of that upward line, because they expect all the major, high-budget triple A's to move consoles when the problem is that they are refusing to lower the price of consoles and instead doing what so many other industries are doing as well; rather than lower prices for aging tech, they want to keep releasing new versions of consoles for MORE money while keeping the original versions at, or at least near, their original prices. Restaurants have been doing this forever where instead of giving you a sensible portion at a lower price, they pile on more food than anyone should need for more money. The Allies said it themselves in this episode, so many people are still on Sony's console, it's just that they're still on last gen's console because this gen's are just too god damned expensive and there's no significant price reduction in sight.
If they want more people to buy their big games they need to reduce the barrier to entry and let the smaller commodity sell more regularly instead of just being stubborn then crossing their arms across their chests like 5 year olds when consumers refuse to go bankrupt just to keep publishers lines going up.
I really wonder how much these suits paid for their mba's because those degrees weren't quality enough for these schmucks to realize that they got bamboozled themselves.
I really hope the relatively low sales of Rebirth won't jeopardise part 3. Hopefully the budget is set and under control. Longer term, I have no idea how Squeenix could truly turn the tide. Maybe when the full trilogy is available or if they put it on the Switch 2 something will change
The second part was the most important part anyway. They should just cancel part 3.
@@andyd3447 no. Vincent gameplay or we riot.
it's so sad to see how much the silent hill "fans" want every new they do to fail no matter what.The trailer was genuinely good, it won't be perfect as any game is, but there's no reason to be so nitpicking. The trailer showed a possibily great game and I'm ready to replay sh2 with it
Are you blind? Lmao that game looks like a shitty ps3 game
I think the button timing in Paper Mario is off. It's way too early, not similar to other games, say when you press the button to counter.
Longer console cycles would arguably bring down costs and it’s better for everyone to get value out of their console.
Concord is being put up for pre orders.
It's not free to play
I really hope 9 remake comes next to show square enix what people want out of a final fantasy, just like it did originally after the polarizing ff8
1:15:41 FYI: I haven't purchased FF7 Rebirth yet because I, like 40% of PS's player-base, have yet to buy a PS5. Might be a factor for others too.
This first party narrative has turned the gaming ecosystem so toxic.
People disregard good 3rd party exclusives and devalue them based on who made them and that's so short sighted.
A good game is goof regardless of where it came from.
15:26 The movie is set hundreds of years before the 3 kingdoms.
youtube needs to chill with the ads on this episode.... i can't go 90 seconds without an unskippable ad
Weird, should have only been one ad break in there. I went ahead and turned them off on this one. -Bloodworth
@@EasyAllies I don't know if there are youtube's own settings in addition to the Allies' settings but there were wayyy too many ads in there for it to have been your settings. At least it seems that way. Either way, thanks!
Huber pre launch Stellar blade take... vs now lol.
The economic headwinds dude. Cost of living just continuing to worsen means I can't justify spending on entertainment. My deepest apologies to Square Enix.
Infinity Nikki looks solid despite the reception, it will the success story of the year or one of the success storefronts the year.
Despite the reception? It's been mostly positive and the trailer has the most views out of every trailer from the state of play.
PlayStation/Firewalk announced there is a pre-order for Concord. Have to imagine it's a premium priced game (ie: Helldivers 2) and not free-to-play.
The State of Play was pretty disappointing but it's okay. There's no shortage of games tight now. What's crazy is it's already been 4 years since TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima. I'm sure sequels are coming at some point. Getting a release window on those games would go a long way for people. Also, super curious to see what Bluepoint has been cooking up. They've been quiet since DS released in 2020.
Will there be a betting special for sgf2024?
Didnt even mention xbox predictions now this is a playstation podcast with out brandon jones....man i miss Brandon 😢 😔
they still have another podcast until then
Brotherhood of the Wolf - shou out 👊
Silent Hill 2 is the most meaningful piece of art in my meaningless life and I am right on board with Huber. HYPED LETS GO
I do genuinely hope it lives up to that for you! Personally, something seems like it's just missing in the trailers so far. But hopefully that's just them showing it badly.
Isla was gatekeeping a bit due to her love of the original but doesn't realise this is to sell to new players. This is to get new players who may also be used to Resident Evil remakes. The original is 23 years old.
The Until Dawn remake contains new and extended scenes that were cut from the original, so I've heard. So there will be new content. It also contains a new adjustable camera and not fixed camera like in the original. So I might check it out again if the price is right.
Remember when people said just make good games and they will sell haha 7Remake 2 a 92 on Metacritic snd 93 on Opencritic, their highest rated game in a very long time and Damiani basically wants Square to cater to the common denominator haha he will then complain down the road that they and creatively bankrupt for just making the same games as other devs smh
He is also constantly making very hypocritical and flip floppy comments about Square and their budgets and game design.
6 days to Summer game fest
He does realize that there’s still 60 million people who play on PS4, never mind anyone else they can attract to the console? There’s still plenty of sales to be acquired with the PS5. Of course they’re going to have some AAA Sony studio games. I fully expect, a naughty dog game, Wolverine & Ghosts 2 to be on PS5. At least those, maybe 2 or 3 more. Why jump into PS6? This console is their most successful in terms of player spending. Don’t jump the gun. I think 2028 would be the time for PS6
Damiani not showing his bet during bets is a bit alarming. Ive seen him do it a few times now. Im watchin you Damiani! haha
Huber got interrupted 420.69 times this podcast. Is he okay? How will he recover? I miss old Funhaus
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State of play trailer is sum up of playstation right now " mid & big L"
Love you guys,..love the shows.
So, how do we think Alien Romulus will turn out?
huber sony's games take 6 years to get made and no studio have been without a release for so long, ofc they don't have anything ready yet maybe 2025 and 6 will see some good stuff
Silent Hill 2 is only on PS5 and PC.
They are pushing Until Dawn because of the PC version and there’s a movie coming.
On what platforms would FF16 and 7R be on? Certainly not the Switch, Xbox sales are abysmal and these kind of games don’t sell very well on that platform, yeah it could help a little bit but that’s not the problem. PC ports are coming, while not day one with PS, for the long run I think they’ll be ok.
I would expect a September showcase with the Pro announcement.
PS6 is 2027 at the earliest, 2028 is when I think it will come out.
They just want FF to turn into ANOTHER 3rd person over the shoulder action open world game, what the hell... That would be the most boring thing ever.
Honestly I gotta admit the David Duchovny memes with Angela were kinda funny, but I feel so sorry for the actress though, I understand people not liking her because she looks way TOO different from the original Angela but people seem to forget there's a real person behind it...
I'm not sure if they can even fix this at this point in development, nor if they should or not, I think it was just wrong casting
1:38:51 Nintendo is not bad at story writing. It is not their focus. They are not even trying. But why they don't give a sh*t to story is valid criticism. Personally I am not huge Nintendo fan. I don't care.
Also disagree with Huber. Story is not important for every game. If game's focus is story then it is important. I think If studio does not have good writers or if they don't have good story to tell, they should keep it minimal. I am playing PS4 ratchet and clank recently. Omg cutscenes and dialogues are dreadful. When cutscene comes I am like "leave me alone." I don't think it is not even good for kids.
Love how huber doesnt like the mario rpgs recently being to "safe" but continues to ingore series like xenoblade and fire emblem, bayonetta. Why does everything always have to be only about Zelda or Mario? Also yes gameplay over story
Huber is such a crazy Dude... Sometimes its just to much. There is nobody left to compensate his energy. Miss Bradley and co....
Still love you guys, don't ne mad but Sometimes its just a little to much. 🥴
Nah miss Brandon jonessss he should react to xbox showcase
I was like you not wanting to spend money on Fortnite but sometimes there are just skins I want. I want the collabs. I don't get them all the time. Also, I get to support a game I play a lot.
If you're deleting a game you like after a week, I don't think you actually like it. No one is saying you have to play it everyday.
Isla is right about the quickening of generational cultural trends. Strange new ways indeed. We havent had enough time to reflect on it and see the scope of it
lol. Too many games coming out every week. Especially for PC early access. And is spreading potential buyers too thin.
And still nothing about Splinter Cell so if it is still on it will be at least 3 years.
2:05:45
Batman in a sack + snidely Huber laugh = lol
Take a shot each time someone says “ya know”. You will be dead in two minutes.
If a PS6 comes out soon, I'd be annoyed as hell.
January state of play was good.hideo announced mgs clone.
By showing nothing. So good.........
3:40:50 Isla is on the
money but forgot about the fact too many games are being released every month. And people are finding out that a AAA 50 hour game isn’t worth even trying if they are having fun elsewhere.
3:19:04 Huber yes. Studios have to keep making games and those games have to make profits, regardless of the generation otherwise they will be closed.
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Nintendo doesnt ignore story Its just not their entire focus. I wish we can stop generalize based on select games. Of course Huber says that when he only plays Mario and Zelda and barely even that. Mario isnt even knows for story, Zelda more and they never had that grandious story anyway. NIntendo does exists outside of Mario and Zelda. For me personally Mario and Zelda arent even their best franchises to play. Also i prefer gameplay over story. Also story doesnt exist only on voicelines and expensive mo-cap. Most Nintendo Ips are gameplay focussed but some have both but they dont exist because they are not named Zelda or Mario or have expensive realistic mo-cap. If a game is not fun to play then i dont care how good the story is.
His Nintendo takes are pretty bad most of the time. Lost interest in Nintendo cause of Super Paper Mario? Lol
@@justinburchett8424 i mean you can use that argument for paper mario or mario rpgs but as a whole? You can say that but use paper mario as a argument is just stupid imo. If you only care about story then maybe their games are not that interesting unless you talk about Xenoblade or Fire Emblem which he doesnt play.
Too much content coming out every day, week, month. Simple reason why games might not make target numbers. Seems simple to me.
almost destroyed the industry way back when
I would love to play and enjoy FF rebirth, but finishing remake and 16 was such a chore, the pacing and length were a drag on otherwise enjoyable games. Knowing that rebirthbis massively longer just puts me off. Make the critical path 30hours, crit + good sidequests 50h total and then if you want pad it with as much openworld stuff as you want. Even the demo had me rolling my eyes at the pacing (vaccums and crawling sections)
showcases today are still acting like there’s a global pandemic prohibiting full effort
But it wasn't a showcase, no?
That is because there is no e3 anymore. People were like "ohh we don't need e3. Glad it went away" But publishers were racing with each other for the best e3 performance. Since there is no e3, there is no competition.
Isla hit on so many interesting points during her rant. I'd long to see an entire podcast just discussing the current consumer/media landscape.
If you could only see the big devilish grin on my face because of the "resting on your laurels" phrase coming from Huber (OF ALL PEOPLE) 😈😈😈 If I wanted to play devil's advocate, WOOOOOOO
My thing for the state of play, I wasn't expecting anything big. The Fall and Winter is very dry and I was expecting release dates for those seasons. Personally, I'm eating good this year. I got JRPGs and fighting games. I'm even trying out games I don't usually play (metroidvanias, rogue-likes). That being said I still thought the state of play was a 4-5/10. I only liked Where Winds Meet, Dynasty Warriors Origin and Astro Bot
The state of play was terrible nothing exciting really
I don't think it looks like Hoyoverse. That's insulting to Hoyoverse.
2:41:51 Huber is spot on here. Hellblade isn’t for everyone, but everyone who cares about video games should appreciate its existence
it's not a video game tho
@@Dan-hz4vf 🙄
Yes being in a single platform contributing factor but Final Fantasy's biggest problem is that fanbase is small and it is not growing. FF13 and FF15 hurt the series so much. Entire PS3 and PS4 generation there were no good mainline final fantasy game. It is around 15 years. And the latest PS5 games looks really unappealing for the people who are outside of the series. When I look at FF7 Rebirth all I see busy work open world stuff and incoherent mini games. Personally I am waiting for it to come ps plus. They have to do something to make it appealing to wider audiences. If f*king BG3 did it, it can be done by billions dollar worth publisher.
Hubers right though. This SOP was not great. Infact Playstation is probably the most boring company for me these days when it comes to show stuff off. Nintendo and Xbox has better "conferences" by far.
I think this gen is fucked. They will release max three first party games and everything else will be crossgen with ps6.
Not for xbox though, this show case is going to be so much
Playstation no reason to buy a console, Xbox just going downhill and corporate, Nintendo need new console and more hardcore ips. And dont let me talk about companies like ubisoft etc. Gaming is so bad nowadays this gen is a farce and everyone should stop supporting these companies for a time being. You can easily play amazing indie games with passion behind them.
The economic headwinds dude. Cost of living just continuing to worsen means I can't justify spending on entertainment. My deepest apologies to Square Enix.
Thats what credit cards are for!!
@@andyd3447 worst answer. (Also most american lol 😂)
@@BlaBlaBla-76 buy now worry about it later.🤫