Ableton just announced a new portable sampler groove called "Move". I know my opinion will be unpopular but the hot take is necessary! original video: • Ableton Move: Feature ...
I think only including Live intro with their hardware makes sense, not just for sales of the software, but also from a customer relations point of view. The main target audience for these devices are people that already use Live. If they gave away a full version of Live with the hardware, or even a limited version with an upgrade path, that wouldn’t be fair to their existing customers who already paid full price for Live and then have to pay full price for the hardware. I think it is wise to prioritize the feelings of your existing customers over those of potential new users, especially if you’ll probably sell more of these units to existing customers than to new ones.
I was a Ableton Push 3 fanboy until I tried the Force. Akai is the best. They need to make a portable version with speakers, battery, MPE, Mic?? Game over.
How/why is Force better? I never used Force but ended up buying Push after watching tons of videos of both being used. I went with Push mainly because every aspect of it (physical and software) is directly integrated to Ableton. I too am a huge Akai fan and user. But, what do you find better? I may have to circle back and give Force a try.
You’re not going to be making complex intricate projects on a little machine like this. Even if you were, it wouldn’t even be worth listening to. 4 is enough for starting your solid ideas or drum patterns which you can later transfer into your actual DAW
The push 3 has upgraded drastically. Only thing its missing is a arranger view. Its actually on par with the MPC. If they add a arranger view to the push 3. its on par with the mpc brand
I don’t mind it only having 4 tracks. A lot of great songs/grooves have 3-4 things going on at any one time and if all you wanna do is start the backbone of an idea I think you could do it on this. But, for almost 500 bucks there are other options. Like a second hand 3rd or 4th gen iPad Pro with Logic and/or koala. And if/when you get this and outgrow the Move and Live Intro, then you’ve gotta move up to Suite and a Push 2 or 3. Then you’ve spent the equivalent of a decent laptop. I dunno. It’s kinda cool and there’s a part of me that would love to chill on the couch with this. But I can just sit with my laptop and Logic/Live/Reason and go so far beyond a 4 track sketch. The only thing I’d be missing is the tactile element. But conversely, what you’re missing on this is a useful display. So, swings and roundabouts. Be interested to see how it’s received.
It is a MIDI controller... pads are polyphonic after-touch... Ableton Link is their own proprietary protocol, not sure if it's similar to Bluetooth or utilized over Wi-Fi... Wi-Fi, no mention of Bluetooth... It seems to be a product more in-line with certain Teenage Engineering products, Yamaha Seqtrak, Roland's SP/MC and a couple Aira Compact units, but with possibility to be integrated to a fully featured DAW. It's far more PORTABLE than the Push 3 Standalone and the Akai MPC Live 2... Akai could have beat them to the punch with a standalone device built around the MPC Studio 2.
It just seems too limited and why for that price? 4 tracks means so much resampling. I never liked Note cause I don’t mobile producing but I might buy the app to learn the workflow then buy this in a month when people get tired of them after a month for $100 off. I don’t really see these becoming classics and holder their value.
I have an MPC One Plus, so I wouldn't need this at all. I was curious about this though just to see. It's definitely interesting but as you and others have said, 4 tracks is wild at this price point b
The price will the deal breaker. I think it's exciting though to have dedicated hardware for Live from Ableton. Ableton and Bitwig, nothing else touches it for sound design.
If the OP1 and CircuitTracks had a baby... I get what they are going for, the same reasons why I bought a Tracks as my first groovebox, but the whole thing seems too restrictive.
Ableton always makes a basic device, and then upgrades will follow, it's like lets first build strong foudations then build that house on it. But Push3 has maybe the best pads for Finger Drumming.
Nice review Ave. Drift, Wavetable and Drum Sampler are the only native synths ported over from Live. I expect others to be added in future updates. Operator and Analog at launch would be an insta purchase. It’s a pass from me at the moment, as I do have Push 3 standalone. I could borrow the 4 track workflow from Move over to my P3 and have everything I need. I think this product is aimed a new, younger generation of users who are glued to iPhones using Ableton Note. And probably trying to convert FL studio kids too. If you got push 3, I don’t think this is needed
I sold practically all my hardware and streamlined down to just Ableton with a couple midi controllers, the reasoning is for stuff like this, just would be a waste of money tbh, if I decide to buy hardware, has to be a synth, I’m over samplers and groove boxes, I am intrigued by mpc 37 key but that’s because it’s basically a hardware soft synth lol
Good take. Gear releases have not been inspirational to me of late when I look at my toys. For others, if it gets you to move, cool. Just don't couch it too long.
10:40 Agree on much of this. Built in mic is good! (There are also little speakers on it?) but the 1 audio-in is line level? which probably means it can't be used with an external mic, unless we have something to pre-amplify it
I personally would rather have the polyend tracker because It offers a different way to compose. I have ableton already lol. If I want ableton on the move I’ll just pick my laptop up and go.
@@huh274 yeah but for me if it doesn’t have iPad compatibility, I can’t move samples into it to use that 50 gigs. I would have to manually sample and I don’t have a computer so the Ableton Note works best for me
To me, this is a great way to get the amazing MPE pads from Push, a simpler controller for Live, and a portable groovebox for fun and DJ duties. I want one :)
It looks really fun and quick to use as well! Just wanted to point out, it does have polyphonic aftertouch, but not MPE as far as im aware. You can't do those pad articulations, or pitch slides to different pads as on the Push 3 which has MPE.
@@GrayGhostDog1 Which is nice, sure, but it isn't the thing that makes imho the Push worth its price, and makes music made with it sound so much more human. Ah well, I'll keep looking for a second hand Push 3 I can afford :)
I honestly think ableton made this to compete with Akai and it's mpc live line. I won't bother mentioning maschine mikro since you still need apc for that. But while i like the concept, 4 tracks is very limited. If your using this to sketch a track before working on it in your main daw, i could see the appeal. But to be quite honest, this is gonna have a limited audience. Worst case scenario is people buying this as an alternative solution to buying a push 3 or even a push 2 will be sorely disappointed if that's their purpose for buying this.
Yeah I definitely agree that this product is for more of those who are using a low budget and want to get into standalone. But this is for straight beginners, maybe a class of the new gen could use these, but it's not offering enough for me personally, who already has the push 3 standalone. So really for those who couldn't afford the push 3.
@@morecowbell2611 Right, but then it's not as capable as the push 3. So then you might as well get a midi controller for cheaper and just control your daw
@@millyhunter ... it is still more than just a MIDI controller. It's a MIDI controller with PolyAT and an audio interface... with a mic and speaker on-board.
nah I'm complaining about the price. there's nothing really exciting about this and you have to go thru the cloud just to export your stuff that really blows.
Keep in mind it's not just 449. Your going to eventually need upgraded Ableton so that's an extra couple hundred there. It's ridiculous and it's why i don't consider any of their products since it's tied so much to the software and they don't care to give you anything better than intro.
It's a standalone device. It will always work without having to upgrade Live. If you want new features specific to using it with Live, then yeah sure maybe you'll need to upgrade Live, but weren't you going to do that anyway if you like new stuff in Live?
Novice beat maker here. Whats a good upgrade for the EP-133? I’m killing it on that thing but I can see myself needing well…more space eventually. Would this be that upgrade? I just want a more powerful standalone at a reasonable price.
If you want more "space", this seems maybe the opposite what you want. Move seems like one of those "self-consciously self-limiting" kind of things, especially the 4 tracks. Like, for people who use ableton DAW already and want in addition something consciously limited for creative reasons. Lots of alternatives, eg Roland Verselab gets good reviews, but you just gotta read throught the reviews and make your best pick.
get the ios phone version - ableton note - '''same thing'' $9.99 double the number of tracks - 8 not 4 better U.i., cheaper - even if you buy a 64gb ipad.
@@DanielIvan707 I think that could happened. The only way they would replace the MPC One + and the live 2 is if they give it the new models more Ram a tilted screen and the microphone feature. Also the MPC one + with a battery. But, I can see them making a smaller Live to compete with the 404 and this Push Move.
Because the pads are a huge step up from a touch screen, and it gets a lot of Push 3's functionality while being much lighter and portable, and costing considerably less.
It doesnt seem that exceptional in any real way for me personally. The price is pretty good but every sound coming out of the thing was boring as hell, prob have to listen to more demos
I think only including Live intro with their hardware makes sense, not just for sales of the software, but also from a customer relations point of view. The main target audience for these devices are people that already use Live. If they gave away a full version of Live with the hardware, or even a limited version with an upgrade path, that wouldn’t be fair to their existing customers who already paid full price for Live and then have to pay full price for the hardware. I think it is wise to prioritize the feelings of your existing customers over those of potential new users, especially if you’ll probably sell more of these units to existing customers than to new ones.
They dropped the ball with 4 track limit - similar track limit to Novation circuit -- meanwhile if your drop more $ on a MPC - not an issue
I was a Ableton Push 3 fanboy until I tried the Force. Akai is the best. They need to make a portable version with speakers, battery, MPE, Mic?? Game over.
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How/why is Force better? I never used Force but ended up buying Push after watching tons of videos of both being used. I went with Push mainly because every aspect of it (physical and software) is directly integrated to Ableton. I too am a huge Akai fan and user. But, what do you find better? I may have to circle back and give Force a try.
@@RobBecTraxxx DO THE RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF. OUR ACQUIREMENTS MIGHT NOT MEET YOURS
8 channels would be oke for me, but 4 is not enough
At least let it scroll down to reveal another set of 4 like a launchpad would
You’re not going to be making complex intricate projects on a little machine like this. Even if you were, it wouldn’t even be worth listening to. 4 is enough for starting your solid ideas or drum patterns which you can later transfer into your actual DAW
Agreeeee
4 😂😂😂😂hahahaha nope
move bish get out the way
Akai mpc one with built in battery, speakers and mic input could be the DEFINITIVE standalone portable killer. Akai mark my words
The push 3 has upgraded drastically. Only thing its missing is a arranger view. Its actually on par with the MPC. If they add a arranger view to the push 3. its on par with the mpc brand
It’s about the same price as 5 pocket operators, and probably on par with that level of enjoyment (speaking as someone who loves POs)
I don’t mind it only having 4 tracks. A lot of great songs/grooves have 3-4 things going on at any one time and if all you wanna do is start the backbone of an idea I think you could do it on this.
But, for almost 500 bucks there are other options. Like a second hand 3rd or 4th gen iPad Pro with Logic and/or koala. And if/when you get this and outgrow the Move and Live Intro, then you’ve gotta move up to Suite and a Push 2 or 3. Then you’ve spent the equivalent of a decent laptop.
I dunno. It’s kinda cool and there’s a part of me that would love to chill on the couch with this. But I can just sit with my laptop and Logic/Live/Reason and go so far beyond a 4 track sketch. The only thing I’d be missing is the tactile element. But conversely, what you’re missing on this is a useful display. So, swings and roundabouts.
Be interested to see how it’s received.
It is a MIDI controller... pads are polyphonic after-touch... Ableton Link is their own proprietary protocol, not sure if it's similar to Bluetooth or utilized over Wi-Fi... Wi-Fi, no mention of Bluetooth...
It seems to be a product more in-line with certain Teenage Engineering products, Yamaha Seqtrak, Roland's SP/MC and a couple Aira Compact units, but with possibility to be integrated to a fully featured DAW. It's far more PORTABLE than the Push 3 Standalone and the Akai MPC Live 2... Akai could have beat them to the punch with a standalone device built around the MPC Studio 2.
3:20 Stro Elliot is a finger drummer that uses Push. And he sounds way better than 99% of youtube finger drummers.
It just seems too limited and why for that price? 4 tracks means so much resampling. I never liked Note cause I don’t mobile producing but I might buy the app to learn the workflow then buy this in a month when people get tired of them after a month for $100 off. I don’t really see these becoming classics and holder their value.
Live Intro slaps tbh you get crazy amounts of features for absolutely nothing.
Ave .. i predict you’re gonna do another video once you learn the workflow… it’s a sampler! And a very powerful one
I have an MPC One Plus, so I wouldn't need this at all. I was curious about this though just to see. It's definitely interesting but as you and others have said, 4 tracks is wild at this price point b
I sold my Force for a Push 3. I didn't like Push 3 because of how it samples. I love my MPC Key 37. Akai = the sampling king
The price will the deal breaker. I think it's exciting though to have dedicated hardware for Live from Ableton. Ableton and Bitwig, nothing else touches it for sound design.
Forget my previous comment 😅 (which I don't see anyway ahah).
449 EUR looks ok, even with East European country cheap currencies.
We got used to that everything is expensive already.
Ordered.
Now I wonder where Akai Pro is that MPC Live Lite they hinted at how long ago?
If the OP1 and CircuitTracks had a baby... I get what they are going for, the same reasons why I bought a Tracks as my first groovebox, but the whole thing seems too restrictive.
Ableton always makes a basic device, and then upgrades will follow, it's like lets first build strong foudations then build that house on it. But Push3 has maybe the best pads for Finger Drumming.
Dude, I was one of the best if not the best finger drummer I know not like the pads. We even did a review on their product together.
I think it’s possible an update allows 8 tracks. Like an A/ B page
I thought ableton link worked over WiFi
... exactly what I was trying to figure out. According to the website I do not see Bluetooth.
Nice review Ave.
Drift, Wavetable and Drum Sampler are the only native synths ported over from Live. I expect others to be added in future updates.
Operator and Analog at launch would be an insta purchase.
It’s a pass from me at the moment, as I do have Push 3 standalone.
I could borrow the 4 track workflow from Move over to my P3 and have everything I need.
I think this product is aimed a new, younger generation of users who are glued to iPhones using Ableton Note. And probably trying to convert FL studio kids too.
If you got push 3, I don’t think this is needed
I sold practically all my hardware and streamlined down to just Ableton with a couple midi controllers, the reasoning is for stuff like this, just would be a waste of money tbh, if I decide to buy hardware, has to be a synth, I’m over samplers and groove boxes, I am intrigued by mpc 37 key but that’s because it’s basically a hardware soft synth lol
Just buy an ipad lol
exactly!
Good take. Gear releases have not been inspirational to me of late when I look at my toys.
For others, if it gets you to move, cool. Just don't couch it too long.
I really miss Free Download Friday's😔
Ableton remixed the Roland Verselab and made it less than....
@@omannpro Verselab definitely beats Ableton Move all round.
Ableton beats it with ease of sampling.
10:40 Agree on much of this. Built in mic is good! (There are also little speakers on it?) but the 1 audio-in is line level? which probably means it can't be used with an external mic, unless we have something to pre-amplify it
Dude, where have you been? I haven’t seen you in a couple of years.
I personally would rather have the polyend tracker because It offers a different way to compose. I have ableton already lol. If I want ableton on the move I’ll just pick my laptop up and go.
In some ways, this is better than the Push 3. Actually portable, still a sampler, a better price.
Sticking to my launchpad mk3 at least it can be used with other programs. If the Move is like the Push you won’t be able to control anything else
I’m just waiting for digitakt 2 to get actual sample chopping…
Might be a dope combo with Koala Sampler.
I’ll stick with Ableton Note. That’s what this is. Especially with the flexibility I have to add sounds directly to the app compared to this.
This has like 50gb of user sample slots lol, plenty of flexibility and they will almost definitely add instruments in updates later
@@huh274 yeah but for me if it doesn’t have iPad compatibility, I can’t move samples into it to use that 50 gigs. I would have to manually sample and I don’t have a computer so the Ableton Note works best for me
To me, this is a great way to get the amazing MPE pads from Push, a simpler controller for Live, and a portable groovebox for fun and DJ duties.
I want one :)
It looks really fun and quick to use as well! Just wanted to point out, it does have polyphonic aftertouch, but not MPE as far as im aware. You can't do those pad articulations, or pitch slides to different pads as on the Push 3 which has MPE.
It does not have MPE pads...
@@GrayGhostDog1 you’re kidding!?! Damn. I just assumed they were the push pads. Not for me then 😐
@@amosluyk … well, in its defense at least the pads are POLYPHONIC after-touch…
@@GrayGhostDog1 Which is nice, sure, but it isn't the thing that makes imho the Push worth its price, and makes music made with it sound so much more human.
Ah well, I'll keep looking for a second hand Push 3 I can afford :)
I honestly think ableton made this to compete with Akai and it's mpc live line. I won't bother mentioning maschine mikro since you still need apc for that. But while i like the concept, 4 tracks is very limited. If your using this to sketch a track before working on it in your main daw, i could see the appeal. But to be quite honest, this is gonna have a limited audience. Worst case scenario is people buying this as an alternative solution to buying a push 3 or even a push 2 will be sorely disappointed if that's their purpose for buying this.
This move 449$ or a 30$ iPad app
Or a standalone device with speaker and also can be used as a midi controller for your Koala App
For the price I can understand the Lite version of Live. For the price of Push 3 though, that seemed ridiculous.
Yeah I definitely agree that this product is for more of those who are using a low budget and want to get into standalone. But this is for straight beginners, maybe a class of the new gen could use these, but it's not offering enough for me personally, who already has the push 3 standalone. So really for those who couldn't afford the push 3.
Or who want something much lighter/smaller/more portable. Push 3 is quite the unit to carry around :)
@@morecowbell2611 Right, but then it's not as capable as the push 3. So then you might as well get a midi controller for cheaper and just control your daw
@@millyhunter ... it is still more than just a MIDI controller. It's a MIDI controller with PolyAT and an audio interface... with a mic and speaker on-board.
Seems cool, but compared with an iPad mini with ableton note, the price is a hard sell just for the tactility
$449 for this plus $439 for full version of Ableton (if you don’t already have it) equals a diabolical $888 plus tax 😂
I was also curious about the latency
nah I'm complaining about the price. there's nothing really exciting about this and you have to go thru the cloud just to export your stuff that really blows.
There is a program you can use as well. It’s not restricted to Ableton Cloud but Ableton Cloud (a free service by the way) makes it way easier.
Keep in mind it's not just 449. Your going to eventually need upgraded Ableton so that's an extra couple hundred there. It's ridiculous and it's why i don't consider any of their products since it's tied so much to the software and they don't care to give you anything better than intro.
Why would you buy ableton hardware if your not an ableton person already
It's a standalone device. It will always work without having to upgrade Live. If you want new features specific to using it with Live, then yeah sure maybe you'll need to upgrade Live, but weren't you going to do that anyway if you like new stuff in Live?
@Ave it looks like low latency 32 samples looks like 3-4ms in 3-4ms out
Novice beat maker here. Whats a good upgrade for the EP-133? I’m killing it on that thing but I can see myself needing well…more space eventually. Would this be that upgrade? I just want a more powerful standalone at a reasonable price.
If you want more "space", this seems maybe the opposite what you want. Move seems like one of those "self-consciously self-limiting" kind of things, especially the 4 tracks. Like, for people who use ableton DAW already and want in addition something consciously limited for creative reasons. Lots of alternatives, eg Roland Verselab gets good reviews, but you just gotta read throught the reviews and make your best pick.
It's 449.00
Nah, its trash!😂😂😂
An absolute rip off.
🔥😶🔥 Waste of cash
Competitive price to other Roland grooveboxes.
@@AdamFiregate I hope Roland releases a much more updated version of the MC808.
You can plug a microphone into your mpc…
this is not for me $450 . that tiny lcd and no sample preview 😆 note is actually better
There is sample preview
Looks "ok"
personally it screams circuit rhythm, that's not necessary a bad thing it at the same time it's not gonna be for me... No Gas Here 😂
get the ios phone version - ableton note -
'''same thing'' $9.99
double the number of tracks - 8 not 4
better U.i., cheaper - even if you buy a 64gb ipad.
Way too limited for the price.
Agreed. Not really exciting either.
How you gonna have 4 Track tho. If Aki Force made a a smaller version It would kill this.
I personally think the Push 3 standalone pads are the best, I have both Maschinen plus and MPC live for comparison
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Korg Padkontrol best pads ever.
@@mightycyber8492 I agree
What do you think AKAI’s next move will be?
Hopefully new portable Force with battery and speaker.
@@DanielIvan707 I think that could happened. The only way they would replace the MPC One + and the live 2 is if they give it the new models more Ram a tilted screen and the microphone feature. Also the MPC one + with a battery. But, I can see them making a smaller Live to compete with the 404 and this Push Move.
Isn't push made by akai
This one plus elektron stuff = imba otg
We don’t like the push 3 but this not bad . But they got Ableton note app. So why make this?
Because the pads are a huge step up from a touch screen, and it gets a lot of Push 3's functionality while being much lighter and portable, and costing considerably less.
PUSH pads have always been bad. I couldn’t work with them at all.
Did you still struggle using the Ableton pads after tweaking the sensitivity? The default setting is pretty insensitive
Nah. I’m sticking with what I have.
450USD=Ipad 2022+Drambo...😅
My vape has a better screen! Geekvape Pulse for the win! I gotta throw it away soon, wonder what Ill do with this
Nah…to expensive.
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Dont fall for it buy this and in 8 months Move plus for $1099 😂😂
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These little screens on everything is trash
It’s better than no screen
I will be returning the P6
Exactly what I’m doing
64gb of samples for 4 tracks…. 🤦🏻♂️ no MPE pads.. no thanks
It doesnt seem that exceptional in any real way for me personally. The price is pretty good but every sound coming out of the thing was boring as hell, prob have to listen to more demos
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Roland P6 > this. At half price
Stop talking my guy
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It only has 4 tracks 😑🙄