As a Ross fan, yesterday was more than a non playoff driver winning. It was the end of a decently long winless streak that made me very happy. No playoffs, none of that.
The Fact that Buescher and Chastain are actually in the Top 10 in Points same with MTJ this season makes this Playoff Format in NASCAR even more Bullshit
@@Kwiet_Katt_Studio brother this kid wasn't even in his dad's nut sack in 1992. This sport caters to a new generation now. Time for us to move on to dirt racing, We gotta suck it up and pay for a Floracing or Dirtvision subscription to watch real racing. Nascar doesn't cater to the racing fan anymore.
A win is something to be celebrated in any motorsport. I agree with you. I came from the old winston cup era and while I appreciate some things about modern NASCAR, a win is something to be celebrated. Edit: Fuck the playoffs
@@blakelazeski5974 it’s more of a TV network problem cuz they control NASCAR. But NBC has been the biggest case about it cuz of how annoying it is and try to advertise it like it’s “must-watch” and yet the postseason ratings have been down since 2007.
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT I think they're ignoring the most hidden in plain sight reason that the ratings have gone down. Putting 80% of the season on cable TV in an era of cord cutting. Back in the good old days 90% of the races were broadcast OTA.
@@Denielle-V "Yeah! Fox never mentions how drivers didn't make the playoffs when they win in the playoffs!" You are correct. If they did, then I would call them out too.
And simplify points, 10pt for pole then points based on finished with 1st getting points to equal to the car count and the last place getting 1. No stages, no laps lead, no 1/2 way. Reward pole and win, top points at the end of the last race is your champion. These playoffs killed NASCAR, eliminates a guy like Harry Gant coming on at the end of the season, instead it’s calculated and boring. I grew up when Winston sponsored NASCAR and the NHRA, and ESPN was the majority of the coverage and drivers spent years, sometimes decades to get a seat. To me it doesn’t have a soul anymore but sports ebb and flow, NASCAR is ebbing.
The Nascar playoffs has never made sense. It's like the Celtics won all 82 regular season games this year but failed to qualify for the NBA playoffs. All because they didn't score enough game points in the regular season or score the most game points in a qualifying tournament. So, the hawks are declared the champions after losing all four games to the Celtics. While the Celtics won all twelve finals games, because none finals teams also play final teams. The current nascar system devalues wins and the race quality, creating a worse product for a "championship".
Playoffs, Stages and the Win and You're in and the Way a Champion is Crowned nowadays devalues the Meaning Of Race Wins and a Championship, Thanks to NASCARs Idiotic Execs trying to Mirror Stick and Ball Sports Again I say Lets go back to a Season Long Points Format with No Stages and the Points is F1 Style Points 1st - 150 2nd - 125 3rd - 100 4th - 80 5th - 60 6th - 45 7th - 35 8th - 30 9th - 25 10th - 20 11th - 18 12th - 16 13th - 14 14th - 12 15th - 11 16th - 10 17th - 9 18th - 8 19th - 7 20th - 6 21st - 5 22nd - 4 23rd - 3 24th - 2 25th - 1
Keep the stages, just don't throw a caution when the stage is over, cautions should only be for wrecks or rain, stage points will keep guy's from riding around the back saving their car for three fourths of the race. But for sure get rid of the you win you are in crap.
I dont understand that format. Why does the gap shift from 1 to 2 points from 14th to 13th? Why does the gap shift between 2 points to 5 points between 10th and 9th? What is the significance of a 13th or a 9th place finish? Finishing 9th is literally worth 1/6 of a win, which means that nothing outside the top 5 really even matters. Nascar should be about consistency since it's so hard to keep a car running well week in and week out. I could suggest a better format but I think any format would work better.
I'd be fine with the stages if they didn't throw the caution but kept the points. That way, it would still give an incentive to run up front but not throw off the pace. And would make pit strategy even more important.
I like the cautions because it gives my driver, two guaranteed stops to work on the car and get better. 1 1/2 tracks and up, if you can’t work on your car, you’re just riding around in my opinion. You see the same 10 cars up front every week.
It's gone way beyond annoying at this point. Im trying to enjoy watching a NASCAR race and celebrate for the winner after what it took to get there. Before they even interview about race win, immidiately comes anything that has to do with "playoffs". Doesnt matter if its Daytona 500 or last race of regular season. Doesnt matter if its your first career win or breaking a winless streak.
I’d like it to be a points championship. One win doesn’t reflect a season of success- look at mark martin, for example. If nascar wants a “playoffs” then take the season-long teams in reverse order of points and run a shootout at some track on thanksgiving like Orlando or something, and incentivize it with a ridiculous purse. To make it interesting, do the stupid stages (without a yellow!) and black flag 8 cars at the back of the pack at every stage until the top three duke it out for the final 15 or 20 laps. That could be fun to watch.
Because whoever made the choice to put so much emphasis on the post season has unfortunately pigeonholed themselves into having to remind the fans that this win won’t affect the standings This unfortunately has the side effect of making the win seem smaller then it actually is
Burtons win was a great moment and it should be looked at as such. It should not be looked at for making the playoffs. It really could’ve been just as if not bigger than trever bayne winning the 500
@@President_Grover_Cleveland I feel the way it was won bayne is better. But a guy that has been here for awhile 3 years and nothing and then just wins out of nowhere after knowing he won’t be back the next season is special.
Well they won a race which according to this article is what is the most important thing. I go with the old way, total points for the entire season. Remember when they earned points for leading a lap and then for most laps and setting on the pole! Back when racing was racing.
I've said this multiple times already, and I'll say it again. Either 2004-06 format or Winston Full Season format I'll take any day over this crapshoot of a broken playoff system.
@@cito1101what's your point of someone being a "real race fan" huh? all i see here is some one who wants go back to a 18 year old system that dont reward winning. Verses a system that rewards it, that consistency b.s is trash. You can't have people who keeps winning but not rewarded in the end. While this system does but they have always be in there A game to go through the rounds which to me is better. 2020 Kevin screwed him self of a championship cause he got tight and hit the freaking wall, he choked... nothing to say about that. It's just you people are the problem, you fans in the 2000s era are bad and the guy is right , you love to complain alot. And you still watching the series and I want to know why your watching? The Xfinity series have the same playoff system and all of them are all top contenders all going for the round of 8. But no you don't want to hear that, all you want to hear is the cup series..
@Kirck-np3tv Dude, so what if the Winston format that we had over 20 years ago doesn't reward winning, and so what if the championship is decided early?? Not every championship has to come down to 1 race to try to create those "Game 7 moments". If the championship is rewarded off of consistency over winning, so what?? It happens
Us long-time fans can complain about the playoffs, going to streaming and other things but Nascar doesn't care, they are looking towards the younger crowd and people that don't watch Nascar. I've about had it with Nascar, I've been hanging in there trying to support the changes but its getting ridiculous .
Goes to show that postseasons are bad, pointless, and don’t belong in auto racing in general. But too bad the TV networks and NASCAR is all for it and they only wanna make NASCAR about postseasons🙄
The playoffs are even diminishing rivalries in college football! Alabama just beat Georgia, and the commentators are talking about them playing again in the SEC Championship and the expanded CFP.
"Don't you wish you were in the playoffs? Don't you wish you were in the playoffs when you won Phoenix last year? Don't you wish you'd won Phoenix when you WERE in the playoffs thanks to your Hail Melon in 2022?" It's exhausting. Glad to see others feel the same way, but the Pete Pistones of the world still probably think we're "on our own" and "have to move on."
I agree. The pressure is off for the non playoff racers. They should all race for the win not to win the stages but to win the race. I hope they all figure it out and start using strategies to win races not stages. If the non playoff drivers start doing this it would be great.🏁
Once again, I say, NASCAR (& the tv networks, too) is struggling due to how manufactured the sport has become since 2004...along with other problems but this comment would be the length of a paragraph. But seriously, in this day & age, this sport should not need a playoff format, or anything within that. You already have your entertainment factor, right in front of you: *racing* .
Playoffs have ruined NASCAR! The numbers don't lie. Fans hate it and have shown their displeasure by not attending races. Even NASCAR knows it, but they have too much pride to own up to it.
People are definitely attending races, especially during the playoffs. I have had season tix to Phoenix for over 10 yrs and go to Vegas most years and they Phoenix is ALWAYS sold out with Vegas usually sold out. But you go on... You know better. Yeah, no one goes to NASCAR races.
Watkins Glen was a sell out (again) Bristol Night Race sucked, but that wasn't the playoff's fault. I'll bet Dega will be a sell out too. Why is Phoenix sold out Again this year? Is this 3 or 4 years in a row? The on track product there is usually a mediocre somewhat processional race. I challenge your assertion @toby. These numbers show the fans don't seem to hate it.
@@GregBrownsWorldORacing seats at most tracks have been covered over by sponsor banners or completely removed. The number of seats now to be called a sell out is far fewer than the past.
This is the first time I'm seeing the interview because I generally turn off the race right after the checkered flag... What a horrible way to greet the race winner. Truly makes me hate the playoffs even more...
NASCAR made a huge mistake contracting with networks that won't air their top product on their main network. Many of us don't want to finance the propagandists or the Kardashians. Others simply have had to cut all unnecessary expenses. If NBC and FOX don't respect the sport enough to put it on the main stage, NASCAR shouldn't allow them to broadcast it.
I’ve said nascar should do a streaming service least say 20$ a month or hell 40$ I would pay 500$ a year to watch all the races i would need all the small races and replays include but they would make bank
I completely agree with you! Also, why keep asking questions after the first one. He's answered your question. He wants to go get the flag, go back to his car and get to victory circle. That's when you ask more questions. Don't ruin the front stretch moment with more stupid questions. Let him go celebrate. I hate when they keep asking questions when you can plainly see he wants to get on with his celebration.
Good illustration. The Kenseth interview from 7 years ago was before NASCAR decided they needed to do a MASSIVE shift in terminology geared toward imitating the "stick & ball" sports ("playoffs", "cutoff" etc, etc.). Remember the year that Daytona Speedweeks TV coverage was co-anchored by a former Olympic chess player or something that clearly knew NOTHING about NASCAR.
that edit of all the times he says playoffs at the end is one of the best strings of words that don't matter since the edit of the 2013 xbox e3 presentation. I'd argue though that a modern day championship doesn't have the weight of more than a handful of wins. There's too much randomness with these cutoffs and we've been lucky to have as many drivers not pull a Harry Gant. I'd argue that a Ryan Blaney is on par with a Ryan Newman, Kasey Kayne, or Greg Biffle but in the now I couldn't gut put him above Jeff Burton, Ricky Rudd, or certainly not carl edwards. But I could maybe put Bobby labonte and certainly Terry in that territory.
At this point their options are to race with the true elimination format where only the playoff bracket is in each race (could see this happening but would probably be a lockout in the RTA) Or to delete the playoff format.
Absolutely agree 100% yes I know that Blaney won the championship last year but they never even barely said Chastain's name he beat all four Championship contenders wasn't talked about.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who had an issue with that interview. I’m so sick of NASCAR focusing on the playoffs. Playoffs in other sports is supposed to be the most hyped and exciting time, I absolutely dread when the playoffs start for NASCAR because they very very rarely ever acknowledge anything happening outside of playoff drivers. Last year they did not even give Chastain a second of attention after winning the Phoenix race, instead, they focused on the most undeserving champion in Cup history.
Too often these sports people ask questions that elicit emotions rather than just being congratulatory or express support for something bad that happened
Congratulations for the win Ross. Just to come in the top 10 in a race should be considered a nice accomplishment. Allthough first is really something special. Hard gruelling task each race especially in the extreme heat.
You know if you get your first win in the first half of the season the first thing the tv guys tell you when interviewed is, "You just raced your way into the playoffs!"
The win does matter above anything else. Which is why you “win and you’re in.” And that logic extends into the playoffs. You win and you’re into the next round. The flip side of that coin is: if you don’t perform in the regular season, and miss the playoffs, then you obviously aren’t going to automatically advance to the next round by winning, if you do score a win in the playoffs. So I absolutely think it’s worth immediately mentioning.
I agree with you that the broadcasting should focus on the win. I think it's a more top-down directive from NASCAR to NBC to promote the championship in this way than something NBC is choosing to do by themselves. I do think the original introduction of the Chase diminished interest in the schedule in general, particularly the first 26 races. Even though I didn't particularly like the Latford points system, the eventual points finishes it produced seemed somewhat less random. When I was watching in the '90s, I consistently had the top ten in points memorized and I don't think I could do that now because it is significantly more arbitrary (the most ridiculous of all time was probably Aric Almirola's 5th place points finish in 2018). As a result, it feels like the only playoff distinctions that matter are making them, making the final 4, and winning the title. I bet far fewer fans can remember the precise ranks outside the top four from those years than the pre-Chase years if they've been around that long. Honestly, the increasing randomness of the overall standings means that winning individual races probably means more than any sort of consistent performance now, particularly since the advent of win-and-in so I get how that emerged. The problem is that too many races result in flukish race winners now, drivers who could rarely if ever control a race which Busch and Chastain and to a lesser degree Buescher have done. There are plenty of drivers who win races nowadays without having the best race. I know my opinions are considered contrarian, but I do not think finishing positions always accurately reflect who had the best race but that's still conventional wisdom. It seems like you'd get a much less flukish playoffs if you had "lead the most laps and win" or "post the best driver rating and win" or something that doesn't award drivers for winning even if they didn't have the best race (like Burton, Logano, and Bowman; I have less of a problem with Briscoe because that win seemed more well-earned). I do kind of disagree with you using Matt Kenseth as an example, mainly because he WAS a playoff driver and I think eliminated playoff drivers have historically been treated differently from "non-playoff drivers" even though people in the racing press have gotten sloppy and have started calling eliminated playoff drivers "non-playoff drivers", which they really shouldn't do.
Even when guys win a race and aren't eliminated "welcome to the playoffs" is the first thing they say. This format was said to make wins matter more than ever but each win is only seen as a ticket to the next round in a format that doesn't mean anything to win due to its illegitimate nature. The playoffs have diminished every prize in Nascar especially the championship which I agree has always been more of a bonus than anything.
It is the same in other sports, when you have a playoff, national champion, elite selection method, premier league, F1, etc all media attention goes to that level. This sometimes loses the nuance of individual team goals. Should the best get praised, yes but to totally focus on the elites is sad.
Nascar never seemed to get the "off" part of playoffs. They are sudden death, you lose, your season is over and you go home. There should only be drivers in the playoffs in the race.
If they want absolutely 0 fans then sure. Not a single person on this planet is gonna pay $150 dollars or whatever it is to watch 12 cars for 267 laps. Congratulations you have officially said the dumbest statement a NASCAR fan has ever said.
Thank you pointing this out. I felt that Ross was cheated in his interview and I just couldn’t put my figure on the reason why. He deserves better from the broadcasters.
1:10 as a former race driver myself, it is kinda a kick in the nuts at a high point for sure. 'Hey you just won, sad that it didnt really mean anything in the end.' Its really the same thing just different wording...
I think there are a lot of great story lines this year, 17 different winners, Austin Dillon's wreckfest, Burton pulling off a win and WBR's 100th, Briscoe possibly winning SHR's last win, Buescher finally winning after 3 painful runner ups, Chastain and Keselowski snapping long winless streaks, MTJ chasing one last win...there's plenty to talk about. It doesn't have to be championship/playoffs related all the time. A win is a win! Save the playoff talk for the commentators and analysts.
They so desperately wanted to make nascar into a ballgame. Why do we have playoffs? Why do we have quarters? At this point, im just waiting for john madden (id love to have him back) to come back from the dead with his chalkboard and throw some Xs and Os up there with some arrows explaining how each turn is going to go in a play by play. Its freaking infuriating. ITS NOT FOOTBALL GDI!!!!!! I DESPISE THOSE THAT MANAGE NASCAR
Name another 'Sport' where teams continue to participate in the 'Playoffs' after not even making the 'Playoffs' or having been eliminated from the 'Playoffs'. What needs to stop is the NASCAR 'Playoffs' system.
Ross has been a long time coming, we've all been waiting for that person that can kinda pick up where Earnhardt left off, the drivers know it, and there are a few so damn jealous, they will do all they can to hold him back, they get his cars working good, he won't be stopped, he is the man.
Its an issue with the "playoffs" itself, the fact that you could win the first race of year, lock yourself in, then could run last in every single race until the playoffs, then run 32nd with cutoff drivers running 33rd to 36th each race and each round making yourself champion in the process all while some driver with 7 or 8 wins could finish 2nd, 3rd or even something like 16th or last in the playoffs when in a normal points system (when NASCAR was good and legit) they would win........ that is problem with the playoffs and NASCAR as a whole.
Marty Snider. Asks all the stupid questions. He also mentions getting the engines started, or the engines cranked while sending the camera trackside to anounce that the drivers should start their engines. Jamie Little and Rick Allen do this as well. Annoying!
The NASCAR broadcast network, NBC has a product that they must promote in order to sell advertising. It is a business. In this case it is all about the NASCAR Cup Series Playoffs. Nothing else to promote. Just the race for the Chase to the NASCAR Cup Series Championship. Once the NASCAR playoffs start the entire focus of this series is on the teams and drivers who remain in the competition for a Championship. It this point in the season, there are no more spoilers. It is simply down to the teams competing for a Championship. Television coverage focuses on the teams and drivers involved in the Playoffs. It is slanted coverage, which isn’t always fair to those who are not competing for the Championship. But let there be no doubt about it, NASCAR racing is all about the business.
Every other sport understands that to truly have a playoff season, you must eliminate all non-eligible teams. If they really want a 16 car playoff, there should be only 16 cars on the grid. If you are unwilling to have the final race be only four cars, go back to season points.
I think the playoffs should be set by the top 16 in Points Period, then reset the points and have them carry all the way to the 2nd to last race or just keep the points going with eliminations like normal then the top 4 in points race it out for the title. that way the champion is someone who is atleast Deserving. The problem with the current standings is 2 thinigs 1. Someone could win 35 races in a Row and lose the Title 2. Someone who was dead last in the points could ( Theoretically) Win the championship
As a Ross fan, yesterday was more than a non playoff driver winning. It was the end of a decently long winless streak that made me very happy. No playoffs, none of that.
As another ross/trackhouse fan I second this
Hopefully this will catapult the team back to their speedy ways when they were gangbusters of the start of the GEN 7 era in 2022.
As a Ross fan i third this.
As a Ross fan I 4th this
Same here
Dude said “playoffs” like seven times in one sentence before asking Ross a single question.
Holy shit you’re right 😮 didn’t notice that at first 👍🏻
The Fact that Buescher and Chastain are actually in the Top 10 in Points same with MTJ this season makes this Playoff Format in NASCAR even more Bullshit
nah scoring point in anything doesn’t matter unless you win.
Just win. it’s been this way for years. let’s just get over it b
@@Rippingthewall 1992 I rest my case
@@Kwiet_Katt_Studio brother this kid wasn't even in his dad's nut sack in 1992.
This sport caters to a new generation now. Time for us to move on to dirt racing, We gotta suck it up and pay for a Floracing or Dirtvision subscription to watch real racing. Nascar doesn't cater to the racing fan anymore.
Are they really all top-10 in points?
@@Rippingthewall Wrong.
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. Another perfect example of how transactional wins are today. Let the man celebrate.
@@LASTCARonBROCK it’s been like this for YEARS and NBC has been worse and more annoying about it
@@LASTCARonBROCK damn right Brock, you're right too Playoffs have Devalued a win and a Championship
A win is something to be celebrated in any motorsport. I agree with you. I came from the old winston cup era and while I appreciate some things about modern NASCAR, a win is something to be celebrated.
Edit: Fuck the playoffs
I’m sick and tired of the playoffs
Sounds like an NBC problem rather than a NASCAR problem.
@@blakelazeski5974 it’s more of a TV network problem cuz they control NASCAR. But NBC has been the biggest case about it cuz of how annoying it is and try to advertise it like it’s “must-watch” and yet the postseason ratings have been down since 2007.
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT I think they're ignoring the most hidden in plain sight reason that the ratings have gone down. Putting 80% of the season on cable TV in an era of cord cutting. Back in the good old days 90% of the races were broadcast OTA.
@@blakelazeski5974 and promoting something that does not belong in racing
Yeah! Fox never mentions how drivers didn't make the playoffs when they win in the playoffs!
...Please don't make me state the obvious here, now.
@@Denielle-V "Yeah! Fox never mentions how drivers didn't make the playoffs when they win in the playoffs!"
You are correct.
If they did, then I would call them out too.
It was a terrible TV call, no doubt.
"You won! But..."
Its ain't just the playoffs it's the interviewer.
I agree, a win is a win
NASCAR should put him in the playoffs because you win and you are in 😂
The playoffs take away from each race being its' own special event. The first 26 are not special.
Play off is bullshit. Go back to the old system.
And simplify points, 10pt for pole then points based on finished with 1st getting points to equal to the car count and the last place getting 1. No stages, no laps lead, no 1/2 way. Reward pole and win, top points at the end of the last race is your champion. These playoffs killed NASCAR, eliminates a guy like Harry Gant coming on at the end of the season, instead it’s calculated and boring. I grew up when Winston sponsored NASCAR and the NHRA, and ESPN was the majority of the coverage and drivers spent years, sometimes decades to get a seat. To me it doesn’t have a soul anymore but sports ebb and flow, NASCAR is ebbing.
The Nascar playoffs has never made sense.
It's like the Celtics won all 82 regular season games this year but failed to qualify for the NBA playoffs.
All because they didn't score enough game points in the regular season or score the most game points in a qualifying tournament.
So, the hawks are declared the champions after losing all four games to the Celtics.
While the Celtics won all twelve finals games, because none finals teams also play final teams.
The current nascar system devalues wins and the race quality, creating a worse product for a "championship".
Playoffs, Stages and the Win and You're in and the Way a Champion is Crowned nowadays devalues the Meaning Of Race Wins and a Championship, Thanks to NASCARs Idiotic Execs trying to Mirror Stick and Ball Sports
Again I say Lets go back to a Season Long Points Format with No Stages and the Points is F1 Style Points
1st - 150
2nd - 125
3rd - 100
4th - 80
5th - 60
6th - 45
7th - 35
8th - 30
9th - 25
10th - 20
11th - 18
12th - 16
13th - 14
14th - 12
15th - 11
16th - 10
17th - 9
18th - 8
19th - 7
20th - 6
21st - 5
22nd - 4
23rd - 3
24th - 2
25th - 1
F1 style points are more stupid than the playoffs, it really becomes much closer to "if you're ain't first - you're last"
@@ming454 how??? you win you get bonus points but its not season ending if you finish 2nd???
Keep the stages, just don't throw a caution when the stage is over, cautions should only be for wrecks or rain, stage points will keep guy's from riding around the back saving their car for three fourths of the race. But for sure get rid of the you win you are in crap.
Keep f1 points to f1. Has its name for a reason. They can make a better one, if they EVER chose to. I'm fine w a revamp or current tbh
I dont understand that format. Why does the gap shift from 1 to 2 points from 14th to 13th? Why does the gap shift between 2 points to 5 points between 10th and 9th? What is the significance of a 13th or a 9th place finish? Finishing 9th is literally worth 1/6 of a win, which means that nothing outside the top 5 really even matters. Nascar should be about consistency since it's so hard to keep a car running well week in and week out. I could suggest a better format but I think any format would work better.
Playoffs & stage racing are a joke. Nascar is a joke.
So much this, it's f'ing stupid.
Then why you here fk boi?
I'd be fine with the stages if they didn't throw the caution but kept the points. That way, it would still give an incentive to run up front but not throw off the pace. And would make pit strategy even more important.
I like the cautions because it gives my driver, two guaranteed stops to work on the car and get better. 1 1/2 tracks and up, if you can’t work on your car, you’re just riding around in my opinion. You see the same 10 cars up front every week.
Best sport
It's gone way beyond annoying at this point. Im trying to enjoy watching a NASCAR race and celebrate for the winner after what it took to get there. Before they even interview about race win, immidiately comes anything that has to do with "playoffs". Doesnt matter if its Daytona 500 or last race of regular season. Doesnt matter if its your first career win or breaking a winless streak.
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Harrison Burton's win deserved to be celebrated, even if he didn't make it past the first cut.
@@chromediesel444 Like I said these Stupid Playoffs especially the win and you're in have Devalued a Championship and a Race win
I’d like it to be a points championship. One win doesn’t reflect a season of success- look at mark martin, for example.
If nascar wants a “playoffs” then take the season-long teams in reverse order of points and run a shootout at some track on thanksgiving like Orlando or something, and incentivize it with a ridiculous purse. To make it interesting, do the stupid stages (without a yellow!) and black flag 8 cars at the back of the pack at every stage until the top three duke it out for the final 15 or 20 laps.
That could be fun to watch.
Because whoever made the choice to put so much emphasis on the post season has unfortunately pigeonholed themselves into having to remind the fans that this win won’t affect the standings
This unfortunately has the side effect of making the win seem smaller then it actually is
What in the Word Salad is Marty Snider even saying?
Take a shot every time he reminds Ross that he's not in the Playoffs, racing for a Championship.
Burtons win was a great moment and it should be looked at as such. It should not be looked at for making the playoffs.
It really could’ve been just as if not bigger than trever bayne winning the 500
No baynes win is legendary
Baynes win while is absolutely legendary… in my heart Burtons win was bigger.
@@President_Grover_Cleveland I feel the way it was won bayne is better. But a guy that has been here for awhile 3 years and nothing and then just wins out of nowhere after knowing he won’t be back the next season is special.
Next victory interview, take a drink every time they say "playoffs". Maybe I missed it, I don't Ross said "playoffs" 1 time.
Ross Chastain, Chris Buescher & Bubba Wallace were more deserving of being in The Playoffs than Chase Briscoe and Especially Harrison Burton
don't forget kfb
Well they won a race which according to this article is what is the most important thing.
I go with the old way, total points for the entire season. Remember when they earned points for leading a lap and then for most laps and setting on the pole!
Back when racing was racing.
@@steves9915 NASCAR never awarded points for poles. Several other series did.
They basically want to keep reminding us that we are in deed in the playoffs, so they want to keep shoving it down our throats
Same case with Chris Buescher 2 weeks ago too. It’s like they dared to go “off script” from their bs playoff system 😂
Simple fact is NBC can't stand Ross Chastain
The way a champion is determined is an embarrassment
I've said this multiple times already, and I'll say it again. Either 2004-06 format or Winston Full Season format I'll take any day over this crapshoot of a broken playoff system.
I still think 2011 was ok.
Stop watching. Man you fans from the 2000s are soo bad. It's actually scary if Nascar take your input.
@@Vivid-197 I see you're not a real racefan. Not every championship should come down to the wire in 1 race
@@cito1101what's your point of someone being a "real race fan" huh? all i see here is some one who wants go back to a 18 year old system that dont reward winning. Verses a system that rewards it, that consistency b.s is trash. You can't have people who keeps winning but not rewarded in the end. While this system does but they have always be in there A game to go through the rounds which to me is better. 2020 Kevin screwed him self of a championship cause he got tight and hit the freaking wall, he choked... nothing to say about that. It's just you people are the problem, you fans in the 2000s era are bad and the guy is right , you love to complain alot. And you still watching the series and I want to know why your watching? The Xfinity series have the same playoff system and all of them are all top contenders all going for the round of 8. But no you don't want to hear that, all you want to hear is the cup series..
@Kirck-np3tv Dude, so what if the Winston format that we had over 20 years ago doesn't reward winning, and so what if the championship is decided early?? Not every championship has to come down to 1 race to try to create those "Game 7 moments". If the championship is rewarded off of consistency over winning, so what?? It happens
Us long-time fans can complain about the playoffs, going to streaming and other things but Nascar doesn't care, they are looking towards the younger crowd and people that don't watch Nascar. I've about had it with Nascar, I've been hanging in there trying to support the changes but its getting ridiculous .
I think that Marty Snider just likes to hear himself talk. Tha fact is that all of them mention "playoff" way too much.
NASCAR: wins mean more
NASCAR after a win: ...
Goes to show that postseasons are bad, pointless, and don’t belong in auto racing in general.
But too bad the TV networks and NASCAR is all for it and they only wanna make NASCAR about postseasons🙄
Stop watching, you love to whine.
@Firelight210 He's not wrong though
@@FIA-F1it’s not whining if it’s a fact
The playoffs are even diminishing rivalries in college football!
Alabama just beat Georgia, and the commentators are talking about them playing again in the SEC Championship and the expanded CFP.
@@dsz2448 you can say that all you want but , why should I listen to 2000s fans?
EXPOSED!!!!!! 📸📸📸📸📸📸
How about interviewing them in VICTORY LANE??
"Don't you wish you were in the playoffs? Don't you wish you were in the playoffs when you won Phoenix last year? Don't you wish you'd won Phoenix when you WERE in the playoffs thanks to your Hail Melon in 2022?" It's exhausting. Glad to see others feel the same way, but the Pete Pistones of the world still probably think we're "on our own" and "have to move on."
The words are delivered to the puppets by the powers at NASCAR…
Ya hit the nail on the head!! Damn give anyone a minute to enjoy beating the playoff drivers. FFS ‼️
I agree. The pressure is off for the non playoff racers. They should all race for the win not to win the stages but to win the race. I hope they all figure it out and start using strategies to win races not stages. If the non playoff drivers start doing this it would be great.🏁
36 races.
26 qualifiers…. Followed by 9 more qualifiers and essentially a 1 race season.
Once again, I say, NASCAR (& the tv networks, too) is struggling due to how manufactured the sport has become since 2004...along with other problems but this comment would be the length of a paragraph.
But seriously, in this day & age, this sport should not need a playoff format, or anything within that. You already have your entertainment factor, right in front of you: *racing* .
No playoffs. Reward consistent performance....you know, like they used to.
Point well taken. I’ll be thinking about this if another NPOD wins this year.
Playoffs have ruined NASCAR! The numbers don't lie. Fans hate it and have shown their displeasure by not attending races. Even NASCAR knows it, but they have too much pride to own up to it.
You are not every fan. Speak for yourself and only yourself.
@@eljefe62 he speaks for me
People are definitely attending races, especially during the playoffs. I have had season tix to Phoenix for over 10 yrs and go to Vegas most years and they Phoenix is ALWAYS sold out with Vegas usually sold out. But you go on... You know better. Yeah, no one goes to NASCAR races.
Watkins Glen was a sell out (again) Bristol Night Race sucked, but that wasn't the playoff's fault. I'll bet Dega will be a sell out too.
Why is Phoenix sold out Again this year? Is this 3 or 4 years in a row?
The on track product there is usually a mediocre somewhat processional race.
I challenge your assertion @toby. These numbers show the fans don't seem to hate it.
@@GregBrownsWorldORacing seats at most tracks have been covered over by sponsor banners or completely removed. The number of seats now to be called a sell out is far fewer than the past.
Playoff points racing is some bullshit the driver who has the most wins should be at the top no matter what
Matt kenseth a true champion not this who finishes best last race of the season the entire playoff format is 💩
The guy who won a title while having a 33 race winless streak and finished dead last in the final race lol
There have been plenty of guys who won the chase format that wouldve been the wiston cup winner
@4Beesus consistently in points all year that's how he won
I thought 2004 was great.
@@raymondhoffman4371 he won because that was a dumb system. Motorsports are the only sports where y'all don't care about winning
This is the first time I'm seeing the interview because I generally turn off the race right after the checkered flag... What a horrible way to greet the race winner. Truly makes me hate the playoffs even more...
finish line winner interviews are crap.
how does that fix half assed interviews? it doesn't, it won't. but it has to start somewhere.
Stages suck, I miss green flag pitstops too.
NASCAR made a huge mistake contracting with networks that won't air their top product on their main network.
Many of us don't want to finance the propagandists or the Kardashians. Others simply have had to cut all unnecessary expenses. If NBC and FOX don't respect the sport enough to put it on the main stage, NASCAR shouldn't allow them to broadcast it.
I’ve said nascar should do a streaming service least say 20$ a month or hell 40$ I would pay 500$ a year to watch all the races i would need all the small races and replays include but they would make bank
I completely agree with you! Also, why keep asking questions after the first one. He's answered your question. He wants to go get the flag, go back to his car and get to victory circle. That's when you ask more questions. Don't ruin the front stretch moment with more stupid questions. Let him go celebrate. I hate when they keep asking questions when you can plainly see he wants to get on with his celebration.
I agree. When a non-playoff driver wins a race, the win is what matters, the playoffs shouldn’t even be in the discussion.
Good illustration. The Kenseth interview from 7 years ago was before NASCAR decided they needed to do a MASSIVE shift in terminology geared toward imitating the "stick & ball" sports ("playoffs", "cutoff" etc, etc.). Remember the year that Daytona Speedweeks TV coverage was co-anchored by a former Olympic chess player or something that clearly knew NOTHING about NASCAR.
a more "correct" headline would be "Exposing 1 of the MANY massive problems with "today's" NASCAR....
Totally agree, very frustrating
that edit of all the times he says playoffs at the end is one of the best strings of words that don't matter since the edit of the 2013 xbox e3 presentation.
I'd argue though that a modern day championship doesn't have the weight of more than a handful of wins. There's too much randomness with these cutoffs and we've been lucky to have as many drivers not pull a Harry Gant. I'd argue that a Ryan Blaney is on par with a Ryan Newman, Kasey Kayne, or Greg Biffle but in the now I couldn't gut put him above Jeff Burton, Ricky Rudd, or certainly not carl edwards. But I could maybe put Bobby labonte and certainly Terry in that territory.
beautiful video. Very well said and excelent examples
I forgot about Rutledge & his being A fan first definitely brought you with him emotionally.
Have a shot every time they say playoffs before they interview Ross.
At this point their options are to race with the true elimination format where only the playoff bracket is in each race (could see this happening but would probably be a lockout in the RTA)
Or to delete the playoff format.
Absolutely agree 100% yes I know that Blaney won the championship last year but they never even barely said Chastain's name he beat all four Championship contenders wasn't talked about.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who had an issue with that interview.
I’m so sick of NASCAR focusing on the playoffs. Playoffs in other sports is supposed to be the most hyped and exciting time, I absolutely dread when the playoffs start for NASCAR because they very very rarely ever acknowledge anything happening outside of playoff drivers. Last year they did not even give Chastain a second of attention after winning the Phoenix race, instead, they focused on the most undeserving champion in Cup history.
Too often these sports people ask questions that elicit emotions rather than just being congratulatory or express support for something bad that happened
Playoff points system sucks
My man spitting hard rn
Congratulations for the win Ross. Just to come in the top 10 in a race should be considered a nice accomplishment. Allthough first is really something special. Hard gruelling task each race especially in the extreme heat.
You know if you get your first win in the first half of the season the first thing the tv guys tell you when interviewed is, "You just raced your way into the playoffs!"
The win does matter above anything else. Which is why you “win and you’re in.” And that logic extends into the playoffs. You win and you’re into the next round. The flip side of that coin is: if you don’t perform in the regular season, and miss the playoffs, then you obviously aren’t going to automatically advance to the next round by winning, if you do score a win in the playoffs. So I absolutely think it’s worth immediately mentioning.
I'll never understand how something as stupid as NASCAR's playoff system has managed to stick around for this long.
I agree with you that the broadcasting should focus on the win. I think it's a more top-down directive from NASCAR to NBC to promote the championship in this way than something NBC is choosing to do by themselves. I do think the original introduction of the Chase diminished interest in the schedule in general, particularly the first 26 races. Even though I didn't particularly like the Latford points system, the eventual points finishes it produced seemed somewhat less random. When I was watching in the '90s, I consistently had the top ten in points memorized and I don't think I could do that now because it is significantly more arbitrary (the most ridiculous of all time was probably Aric Almirola's 5th place points finish in 2018). As a result, it feels like the only playoff distinctions that matter are making them, making the final 4, and winning the title. I bet far fewer fans can remember the precise ranks outside the top four from those years than the pre-Chase years if they've been around that long. Honestly, the increasing randomness of the overall standings means that winning individual races probably means more than any sort of consistent performance now, particularly since the advent of win-and-in so I get how that emerged. The problem is that too many races result in flukish race winners now, drivers who could rarely if ever control a race which Busch and Chastain and to a lesser degree Buescher have done. There are plenty of drivers who win races nowadays without having the best race. I know my opinions are considered contrarian, but I do not think finishing positions always accurately reflect who had the best race but that's still conventional wisdom. It seems like you'd get a much less flukish playoffs if you had "lead the most laps and win" or "post the best driver rating and win" or something that doesn't award drivers for winning even if they didn't have the best race (like Burton, Logano, and Bowman; I have less of a problem with Briscoe because that win seemed more well-earned).
I do kind of disagree with you using Matt Kenseth as an example, mainly because he WAS a playoff driver and I think eliminated playoff drivers have historically been treated differently from "non-playoff drivers" even though people in the racing press have gotten sloppy and have started calling eliminated playoff drivers "non-playoff drivers", which they really shouldn't do.
I hate when the driver spills his guts and then ends it perfectly and they go back in for another question
Even when guys win a race and aren't eliminated "welcome to the playoffs" is the first thing they say. This format was said to make wins matter more than ever but each win is only seen as a ticket to the next round in a format that doesn't mean anything to win due to its illegitimate nature. The playoffs have diminished every prize in Nascar especially the championship which I agree has always been more of a bonus than anything.
It is the same in other sports, when you have a playoff, national champion, elite selection method, premier league, F1, etc all media attention goes to that level. This sometimes loses the nuance of individual team goals. Should the best get praised, yes but to totally focus on the elites is sad.
NASCAR just trying to make people believe that playoffs are matter, but without accepting that they created very stupid system and fixing it.
And yet here you are watching it. If you don't like it you know what to do...go watch grown men in tights play grab @$$.
Nascar never seemed to get the "off" part of playoffs. They are sudden death, you lose, your season is over and you go home. There should only be drivers in the playoffs in the race.
If they want absolutely 0 fans then sure.
Not a single person on this planet is gonna pay $150 dollars or whatever it is to watch 12 cars for 267 laps.
Congratulations you have officially said the dumbest statement a NASCAR fan has ever said.
Thank you pointing this out. I felt that Ross was cheated in his interview and I just couldn’t put my figure on the reason why. He deserves better from the broadcasters.
What happened to Rutledge Wood?
He was kinda like the Bowyer of NBC crew lol
Rutledge has been hosting some NBC shows and appears on other NBC programming along with being part of racing telecasts on pre-race shows.
It's ironic that a win means everything all year except for after the playoffs start
WAAAAAA! 😭 I didn't get what I wanted! NA$CAR needs to change!
Last weeks race would have been better than it was without stages.
He didnt
Make Nascar standards
Take a shot every time Marty Snider says "playoff."
1:10 as a former race driver myself, it is kinda a kick in the nuts at a high point for sure. 'Hey you just won, sad that it didnt really mean anything in the end.' Its really the same thing just different wording...
W take. I felt the exact same way listening to that trash winners interview
Winning has now become secondary in Nascar maybe not to the drivers but everyone else.
Bring Rutledge Wood back.
Lets keep it simple:
Win- 15 points
2nd- 10 points
3rd- 5 points
4th-40th- 0 points
Stage Win- 3 points
Most Laps Led- 5 points
NO PLAYOFFS
I think there are a lot of great story lines this year, 17 different winners, Austin Dillon's wreckfest, Burton pulling off a win and WBR's 100th, Briscoe possibly winning SHR's last win, Buescher finally winning after 3 painful runner ups, Chastain and Keselowski snapping long winless streaks, MTJ chasing one last win...there's plenty to talk about. It doesn't have to be championship/playoffs related all the time. A win is a win! Save the playoff talk for the commentators and analysts.
Good point. I agree
They so desperately wanted to make nascar into a ballgame. Why do we have playoffs? Why do we have quarters? At this point, im just waiting for john madden (id love to have him back) to come back from the dead with his chalkboard and throw some Xs and Os up there with some arrows explaining how each turn is going to go in a play by play. Its freaking infuriating. ITS NOT FOOTBALL GDI!!!!!! I DESPISE THOSE THAT MANAGE NASCAR
The leaders were dropping like 🪰
Name another 'Sport' where teams continue to participate in the 'Playoffs' after not even making the 'Playoffs' or having been eliminated from the 'Playoffs'. What needs to stop is the NASCAR 'Playoffs' system.
Ross has been a long time coming, we've all been waiting for that person that can kinda pick up where Earnhardt left off, the drivers know it, and there are a few so damn jealous, they will do all they can to hold him back, they get his cars working good, he won't be stopped, he is the man.
Even that dork interviewing Matt didn't ruin interview talking about 13th place hopes and playoffs
Wheres Jim Mora when you need him?
yes Ross missed a golden opportunity ......haha
Its an issue with the "playoffs" itself, the fact that you could win the first race of year, lock yourself in, then could run last in every single race until the playoffs, then run 32nd with cutoff drivers running 33rd to 36th each race and each round making yourself champion in the process all while some driver with 7 or 8 wins could finish 2nd, 3rd or even something like 16th or last in the playoffs when in a normal points system (when NASCAR was good and legit) they would win........ that is problem with the playoffs and NASCAR as a whole.
Marty Snider. Asks all the stupid questions. He also mentions getting the engines started, or the engines cranked while sending the camera trackside to anounce that the drivers should start their engines. Jamie Little and Rick Allen do this as well. Annoying!
Every win should be celebrated!
Yeah that was getting on my nerves in real time as I watched it. He sounded like Obi-Won from Robot Chicken: "HIGH GROUND HIGH GROUND HIGH GROUND."
The NASCAR broadcast network, NBC has a product that they must promote in order to sell advertising. It is a business. In this case it is all about the NASCAR Cup Series Playoffs. Nothing else to promote. Just the race for the Chase to the NASCAR Cup Series Championship. Once the NASCAR playoffs start the entire focus of this series is on the teams and drivers who remain in the competition for a Championship. It this point in the season, there are no more spoilers. It is simply down to the teams competing for a Championship. Television coverage focuses on the teams and drivers involved in the Playoffs. It is slanted coverage, which isn’t always fair to those who are not competing for the Championship. But let there be no doubt about it, NASCAR racing is all about the business.
Funny enough, that wasn’t in the stenhouse interview when he won at talladega
Every other sport understands that to truly have a playoff season, you must eliminate all non-eligible teams. If they really want a 16 car playoff, there should be only 16 cars on the grid. If you are unwilling to have the final race be only four cars, go back to season points.
I think the playoffs should be set by the top 16 in Points Period, then reset the points and have them carry all the way to the 2nd to last race or just keep the points going with eliminations like normal then the top 4 in points race it out for the title. that way the champion is someone who is atleast Deserving.
The problem with the current standings is 2 thinigs
1. Someone could win 35 races in a Row and lose the Title
2. Someone who was dead last in the points could ( Theoretically) Win the championship