2016 Subaru Levorg GTS Spec.B Review | CarAdvice
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- Levorg. It might be a funny name but Subais fundamentally the same underneath as the current fourth-generation WRX.
Powered by an identical 197kW / 350Nm turbocharged 2.0-litre boxer, the Levorg suffers a 50-kilogram weight penalty over the sedan, thanks to the extra bodywork at the back. The car is almost 10cm longer, despite having the same wheelbase and front-end.
It looks good. The bum might be a bit big, but from a form sense - Levorg looks the part.
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I bought a Spec-B Levorg at the beginning of 2019 and have really enjoyed it since.
A professional tune certainly wakes the car up and makes it more responsive, but you can't push too much power before putting the CVT at risk.
For anyone considering buying one of these, put some money aside for a wider set of wheels.
I purchased a set of 2016 STI wheels (8.5" wide) and it makes the car feel like it's on rails and fills the guards our perfectly
I wish they brought these things over to the US :(
Australia can keep it!
but these have a CVT, no manual so no one would buy them!!! BET subaru lost a lot of customers
The Forester and Crosstrek might be hot sellers in the U.S. but they still won't appeal to someone seeking something more sporty yet practical. Ever since the demise of the WRX hatch there has been a voild. I've read countless comments of faithful WRX hatch owners saying that they would not buy anything else Subaru that is not a Turbo hatch. So unless the Crosstrek is made available with the WRX's turbo engine they are going to loose those sales to say a Ford Focus ST, RS or Golf GTI, R.
I've spoken to a lot of Subaru owners that have said the same, but after buying a 2016 WRX as my first Subaru, I am happy with my purchase. However, if the Levorg was in the showroom in the states, I'd trade immediately.
I actually own a CVT and have run across a lot of others that have as well. Granted a manual is definitely for purists, but if you find you have physical limitations like RA (raises hand), a prosthesis, etc. you can still be a WRX owner. Just word to the wise, keep it in S mode, I does make it feel like a Toyota.
Nice video guys, well done. Shame there is no 3 pedal option...
no doubt someone will do a 3 pedal conversion
i reckon a manual can easily be put in since it has the same engine as the wrx as well as the interior.... maybe you guys can do it!
Reminds me of always wishing there was a 6 speed SVX!
Drove one today, the auto was underwhelming :(
It should be quite easy to do. Grabbing version without eye sight and having a donor Crosstrek or WRX. Since all 3 share same exact platform, core chasis parts, internals and interior. Its just a bit costly atm. Something for the time when these go down in price drasticly which will happen soon in 5-7 years when they will reach lowest prices
Really good host!!!
Cheers Red! Thanks for watching.
Overly fussy mate. Great to see a natural host. Aussies haven't been the best compared to the international channels. Now very much up there with everyone. Great to see.
Yep certainly is...as I said..great to see and about time also!
I really like this guy, no BS to be said about it being automatic. Really appreciate that he can look at the car and see there is a market for practical vehicles with a bit of "fun" attached.
if they made 6MT versions they would sell every single one, dont become an old pumpkin latte sipping man keep shifting!
Those complaining about CVT boxes you should really give the new rexy or levorg a go, subbies CVT boxes are FAR better than the other boxes around though I do agree it is disappointing that no manual option is even offered :/
Was sad when I heard the Liberty Wagon was no longer, was excited about the levorg, then sad again with no manual...Ill just keep my 08 Liberty Wagon 3.0 Spec.B.
What a shame about the lack of manual gearbox :/
I was excited until i heard the words CVT then i closed the video.
You missed the best bit then!
;)
did the same when I heard the words CVT... I like that CVTs keep the engine in the powerband... but I hate that CVTs weight more and less efficient in transmitting power (more friction), hence far slower than a Manual.... also less fun than a Manual.
when I saw this comment I closed out the video already. rofl
if you check cars like toyota yaris hybrid with cvt, hyundai i20 manual and vw polo with DSG they all have the same 0-100 or pretty close
Paddle shifting a CVT brings a smile to my face still, it's just a different smile than what a stick shift and clutch does.
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my reaction exactly :')
Same bro, same. I would have been mad if it was a transitional auto
"GTS Spec. B" .. CVT. NOPE NOPE NOPE!!! Absolute deal breaker for all fans of Subies. Manual is where the fun is at!
We sadly agree. Levorg isn't a bad bus - just not as fun as it could be.
Come'on Subaru. This is the wrx wagon!?!? No way. Go take a nap and rethink this whole thing. You're missing out on a Gold Mine if you get this wrong. And I'm not talking about the name. I don't care if you "call it Blue dog shit". You have the bones. make it look right. You can thank me another time. Awd, mAnual, Hatch, looks. It's a WrX wagon. Make it happen.
This car should be available in North America and should come in a standard too!
I really want one. Too bad Subaru of America has no plans on bringing it over.
Wake UpUp Not a chance, the Levorg is mainly for right hand drive markets and a few left-hand drives in Europe. US gets the new 7 seat SUV, everyone else gets the Levorg. That was sorta how it went
***** As unfortunate as it is, Subaru's already confirmed it's not coming over. But i guess the grass is always greener. I would kill to have some Vettes, Camaros and Chargers over here
Can buy Cameros zr1and vettes z06 here
I have owned a 1,6 liter version for just under 2 years now in Finland and I think it's a very good family car in all aspects. Only maybe I would like to have more power, but all in all it's a fabulous car.
Whats the difference between gt-s and gt-s spec b
Levorg is Grovel backwards.
I don't mind the CVT in my 2015 XT....but in this as the only option!??? Subaru you have lost your minds.....and many customers.
No manual - no sale
AT is what people want. Buy the WRX if u want to kick the floor like a mental patient.
Seems like this thing is only available in Europe and Pacific regions :( Love this car but frankly the CVT and particularly that chrome sill which fails to reach the D Pillar kills it for me
Subaru has been making such poor engineering choices as of late. CVT only WRX wagon, no hatchback STI, outdated cabin, money spent on driver assist tech should be spent on standard push button start, better seats, tires and noise dampening, and the list goes on etc.
Its a a stupid name sounds like some rich upper class person named it. Cvt lost interest already, what about someone with a small family that wants performance with practicality? The station wagon impreza wrx sti import JDM models were very popular in New Zealand, as dealers always sold bland dull baseline models.
A manual Levorg STI would be perfect - here's hoping the next generation WRX has a five-door option!
Best looking car Subaru has...worst transmission Subaru had...
Dream car right now...a buddy at work got one. We worked some outback winter roads here in nothern Sweden. Great handling car. Feels like a 9mm para, capable😉
The Aussie accent aside, I almost forgot this was Australia....then I saw the WOMBAT crossing sign.lol
Also. You don't buy a legacy to race and have tons of fun. Remember the legacy. It was a very brave and sturdy car. A sporty touch, maybe, but it was in first place a family and utility car. Without a doubt, it was aiming for farmers, families and older peoples, wanting something reliable and sturdy that drives ; whatever the conditions would have been.
And its, in my opinion, always the case. The levorg stays exatly wha the Legacy has been. It just bring it in the next generation.
You've not driven a Legacy Spec-B Gt with the six speed manual ? Sure Levorgs are nice'ish but are pretty wooden compared with the phenomenal Gen 4 Legacy's
Doesn't make sense to me. Surely people who need a sporty family wagon would rather the Liberty platform for the extra room.
No Liberty wagon any more - plus there is more boot space in the Levorg than the old Liberty. However, Outback is selling its socks off, so perhaps the crossover flexibility is more in tune with buyer's tastes now.
lol all the rant towards CVT. What about most of the modern super cars don't even have a manual option?
CVT and paddle-shift gearbox designed for a performance car/performance environment are very different things.
$18 for wrx emblems, dental 24" of dental floss .018cents, name thing solved....bring to USA and let it increase more sales. This car would not cannibalize sales of any existing usa offerings.
CVT is a big fail for me. Such a horrid gearbox for driving fun for me :-( No sale
CVT's are awesome. Do you even know how they work?
+Fall down (Falldown) you obviously don't enjoy driving
TheLukey21 got nothing to do with that. Cvt will change the ratio so that you are constantly at peak power. Just because they have been used in crappy cars doesn't make them inheritly bad
If they have manual mode they're usually really nice to drive. You also get the peak power all the time so that helps, you just have to forget about the normal engine operation and enjoy the ride. I didn't think i would like it but after driving a IS300h on a winding road I enjoyed both D mode and manual mode with "fix gears"
i dunno theoretically "manual mode" aka. virtual gears should make the car slower, since normally it should stay constant in the power band without shifting pause.
Sell a WRX wagon in the US and I will buy!
not a fan of CVT. nevertheless for sport.
the name is so disappointing.
Levorg is just a horrible name. Subaru could have thought of something better then that surely?
Soution: separate, add apostrophe, and an 'e' on the end.
Le' Vorge
There you go.
Pay me later.
In French it means 'you can fuck in the backseats'
Not as disappointing as 1 automatic only and 2 not coming to USA.
@@Gabriel1309 like VW that names cars after silly sports. Golf, polo etc? the all new badminton from VW:-)
This top of the line model with sti bits would be a $40,000 usd car. Sweet car but yikes. - 2015 wrx owner.
I dont understand why they brand it as a sports wagon. If they're trying to target a different audience (a more matute age group) with the CVT, then they have the Subaru forester for that purpose. Sportswagon without the manual option? Ask any buyer here. Subaru's marketing team has failed here. The Levorg has been on sale for about a month or so now and I have not seen a single one on the road at all.
Im still happy with my 05 Caldina GT4 which is nearly identical mechanically. 197kw all wheel drive auto only gearbox.
Yes... So annoying driving around and my wife can't put in an address on the Nav whilst I'm driving... 😡
It's a shame that for many middle aged men, "maturing" means becoming a softcock when it comes to performance car tolerance.
We'll take your word for it.
No need to take my word for it, that's just the sad reality unfortunately.
the base model has better ride and handling for day to day use, host neglected to mention this
oh okay, Do you reckon it would be worth swapping out the suspension in the GTS for the base model's?
Nice car and love the shape, but maybe a better comparison would be to the old liberty GT sedans and wagons.
The Best Host for vehicle information. Thanks.
SUBARU: Bring this to the US! Thanks...
...and SOA will tell you, "we already do, it's called the Outback". No thanks!
+Phillip Master That's funny. I currently own a 2010 Outback. Would enjoy the smaller size and performance of the Levorg tho. Also, if that is the case, why do they sell the Impreza or WRX sedan and Legacy here? Both sedans...
Haha I was mocking SOA and their marketing strategy. Yeah I've driven your model of Outback. It's pretty comfortable as a daily driver and nice overall but can feel a bit too big for those of us who are more used to the "classic" Subaru design. And the serious lack of power is painfully obvious. The current gen Legacy has been transformed to be marketed as a Camry/Accord competitor unfortunately (read no turbo). I think Subaru is hoping with the current gen VA WRX alone can be the sole vehicle that'll carry on their sport/racing heritage which I think is a mistake. Have you seen photos of the next gen '17 Impreza? They're really going in the boring direction for the sake of selling more cars in my opinion.
Your entire comment is correct! I saw the new Impreza at the NY Auto Show when it debuted. It was interesting, didn't hate it, but definitely didn't love it. I think they still have the quirky Subaru vibe, which we all love, but not nearly as noticeable. I just want a solid wagon, that I can tune/mod, with all the latest gizmos and gadgets without breaking the bank. That's why I like the Levorg (needs Android Auto...). haha.
I'm not active in the owner's forums anymore but I vaguely recall seeing a thread about someone ambitious buying the current gen USDM Outback and in the process of trying to retrofit it to be a Levorg...FA turbo motor and all. If SOA changes their mind and offerers the Levorg in turbo form & MT option for North America I would seriously consider getting one but for now I'm so glad I still have my 4th gen BP. It's everything I want in a DD. I can't imagine getting rid of it even if I pick up another car lol
Great review, but what nutless wanker at Subaru decided to make this car a CVT!??!?!
*If you think that’s bad, the UK version doesn’t get the 2.0L turbo engine - us Brits have to make do with a 170hp 1.6 turbo!!*
Now, I’m sorry, but what kind of paint thinner was Subaru sniffing when they decided not to bring the 2.0L Levorg to the UK and instead decided to only offer the 1.6L turbo for UK-spec Levorgs?!
Heck, the Japanese Levorgs even get a 300hp version of the 2.0L turbo car, so the fact that Subaru UK hasn’t bothered to import that 2.0L turbo engine choice into Britain for the UK-spec Levorgs is just *absolutely unacceptable.*
fobroader maybe Japan over crowded or people don't drive no more in Japan or people just don't care about cars now in the 80s they did but now it's about video games and new technology and anime over there
A manual would probably sell very well. The amount of Subaru enthusiasts that would want one would increase. (including me).
good video and good review! I think they are more trying, as you said, to target the older generation who grew up with the old bug eyes and even the 22b wrx's. as for the lockout on the nav, that's a pretty standard feature on new cars nowadays due to laws around using gp's and phones while driving. I currently drive a 2011 Forester XT and would honestly consider buying one of these if I had and could justify the money. Keep up the good work!
am I the only one here who likes cvt?
Probably ;)
I do
Yes, probably because you can't drive a manual
mkvmyfast i have a manual mistsubishi triton and a chevrolet(holden) colorado now, I love the 6 speed in my colorado, but I also love the subaru forester xt cvt. what is your point? im entitled to my own opinion or preference
doodskie999 I think CVTs may be the future not DCT. As soon as consumers can get over "gear changes" car companies can build a proper CVT. I prefer my manual WRX, but I had a XT with CVT and a stage 1 dyno tune and the car pulled hard.
NO MANUAL?? SUBARU, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING!? Turbo charged Subaru's NEED a manual option. I cant believe they are not doing a manual.
lovely looking car with great gadgets, a bit noisy cabin, not enough space in rear seats.....
This reviewer is fantastic!
Great review!
Enjoyed the review and also able to pick 1 or 2 helpful things to consider before plunging into the Levorg pool!
The Octavia RS Wagon is a much better choice. It's cheaper too. Hmm..
It's hideous
As a 3x wrx owner I tagged on the CVT endlessly. But like Is said I this video, we all grow up and as have I. Love my Levorg, plenty of go and handles like a wrx, with all the creature comforts - and I can fit my kids in with their bikes, etc. win win
‘Ragged on the CVT
Listen Subaru, bring the Levorg to America, I'll buy it.
Good review ! ...and good memories with a good car !
Needs manual
we don't even get this 2l engine in the UK..FAIL
CVT IS THE THING THAT KILLS THIS CAR... SO MANY NOT EVEN LASTING 150 000KM
i realise people don't buy these for the economy. but 13 liters per 100? that's just stupid for a 2.0 motor. it's almost a V8 territory.
Was fun getting there though.
Well, you do realize they reviewed the wagon on a twisty backcountry road and not on the highway, right? This called for a lot more constant gas pedal input. But the beauty about a turbo is you can decide whether you want to let the boost come on and have some fun or keep the engine under boost and behave like a family econo box.:)
This thing looks like an Outback Turbo Wagon... This ain't no WRX Hatchback. haha
You're correct. The Levorg is what the Outback is based on. The presenter is being kind of misleading. Basically he thinks since there's no current gen WRX 5 door this is it. When in fact there is an Impreza 5 door on the market, just not avail with a turbo.
Subaru should bring this in the US.
y no manual
Because Subaru
OMG ITS BEAUTIFUL WHY IS IT NOT IN THE STATES
I want this in the US!
I don't get why this isn't more popular, when I bought mine. The 320dx and A4 Q, no camera, 5000$/€ more expensive, the tax more then 2x higher, smaller screen, no LED beam etc.
If u add up all this and have like 6000$/€ in the wallet after a few years. U can do something fun with that :)
I could see SoA (Subaru of America) selling about 5k of these per year IF they offered it here. I for one would be an owner (w/ 6 spd manual), but alas, I have to go with the sedan. :( As long as they don't do what Honda/Acura did with the 2011 TSX wagon and offer it w/one engine and one (poopy) automatic and NO advertising support, the WRX Wagon would do great in the US (PNW, Snowbelt, and NE) AND Canada too. As long as SoA kept sales numbers in perspective, I could see limited numbers of these things sell out year after year. Can you imagine and STi version - that would be bonkers; haul stuff and haul asss at the same time. Take that Audi S4/S6 Avant.
Is that longer than the 2017 Impreza hatchback? Is it what we call the Legacy wagon in the US?
Phrancis5 Yes this is really the new legacy wagon, not an impreza.
Cool, thanks!
It's about 6" longer than Impreza. It's between the Impreza and Outback wagon in terms of size but the Impreza has the very same shape styling exterior
Subaru is turning into Toyota. Used to make awesome fun sporty raw cars. Now is shifting into all lame to drive cars. Luckily Mazda is getting the spirit of driving right in all their cars. I hope they make an AWD Speed 3 hatch and an AWD speed 6 sedan and/or wagon.
Love the look of it. Wagon mafia
Nice on the outside, but the interior is in a drastic need of an upgrade. I'd have purchased one otherwise. Looks like it's the Skoda superb which is light years ahead inside.
if I'm gonna trade my 3 pedals for cvt, I'd need 35mpg... which this fails at
Heard the WRX with standard gets around 36 mpg.
on the street?! I've never seen a turbo engine get that. That'd be amazing though - definitely a running for a fun daily/weekend autox
Just what I've heard from WRX owners of their HWY mpg. I can manage 25.8 in my 2011 STI on the highway.
Awesome review. Nice job. Whats the point of GTS B spec in an automatic. Subaru should have stuck a manual shiftier in the sport model. Standard model sounds like the go for a daily driver. Loved my wrx wagon and would spend money to have its modern equivalent.
CVT, what a shame.
From your user icon we can see why you feel that way!
The Levorg should have been delayed until the new platform was out. It would be stunning on the new imprezza frame. As it is it is just really ordinary inside and out for a car this expensive. i have had one twice now as a loan car for the day and couldn't wait t give it back.
could u please do the 2016 ssv wagon?
We do love a Commodore...
I wonder what % of WRX/STI models sell with CVTs
I’d buy the hell out of a manual Levorg that was WRX specc’d
I don't mind cvt but no android auto/apple car play in this day of age?! And that gps lockout feature wtf!
Looks so much like a minivan. Honestly it would be better with a higher roof line and sliding doors. Reminds me of the Honda Odyssey.
Could you just load a bunch of these on a boat and send them to America please?!
We want them but Subaru won't sell them here!!
Haha thanks!
Haha I love this guy, CVT kills it.
Have drive one?
@@GaryKari he doesn't have to, CVT is simply a wrong gearbox for a sporty Subaru.
How good is this car's performance? Question coming from someone who experienced Forester SF5 turbo and Forester sg5 XT
Does anyone know what the front strut tower bar this car has?
Stock standard car Nabil. Strut brace is OEM Subaru.
+CarAdvice.com I would assume this would be compatible with 15-17 wrx? Just checked out the price tag on it tho and its way too pricey...would cost around $450 CAD which is crazy!
Yeah, it blows that it's not a standard. My issue is with the aesthetics. Idk what it is, it just looks a little too long. The Sharkeye wagons were beautiful.
Manual Leggy best car ive driven.. Cant say the same bout this new CVT leggy..
Why can't this be available in the USA yet? If I can't have a WRX hatchback, I'd definitely take a wagon.
this coming to America or what?
Pretty much 'what' at this point.
Just get Skoda Octavia
We did the comparison!
www.caradvice.com.au/473735/skoda-octavia-rs-v-subaru-levorg-2-0gt-comparison/
Two things need to happen, bring it to North America and two have a manual transmission option.
The cvt is great for the outback for going off road but a spec b all spec b's should be Manuel
I wouldn’t mind if it was a proper automatic but as an ex CVT owner it’s a hard pass
So many nice cars in other parts of the world that aren’t sold in the US. Sad.
What gas mileage are you getting? i heard you say 11, is it 11km/l or 11l per 100km?
Is it really called a hood scoop in Australia?
Letterbox is the other option.
I thought that we called it a bonnet scoop here!
that is a 2005-2009 Legacy platform that they are reusing.
Did the car come with that scratch on the front passenger door as well?
è la mia macchina e non esiste di meglio rapporto qualita prezzo a mio modesto parere ovviamente. La ricomprerei subito.
The chrome trim grille is a travesty! WTf Subaru?
I love the cvt on Subaru are the best I don't why people bash on them.
It's the Grovel.
Or French? Le Vorg?