Ok so I feel that Nightmare Luffy gave us a glimpse into how devil fruits work. The shadows stuffed into Luffy were analogous to the inherited wills left over by past users of a particular devil fruit. I'm hesitant to say soul as we've been exposed to so many non corporal remnants of people, such as shadows (Moria), souls (Big Mom), Qi (Lao G), and inherited wills. It actually reminds me of the ancient egyptian concept of various parts of the soul. This part will probably change as the story nears its end but right now my placeholder theory is that the devil fruits were originally designed for the Lunarians to use. Thanks to their biology (they have more than 1 lineage factor) they could have more than one fruit while humans only having 1 lineage factor would only allow them 1 fruit only. Blackbeard, either through his bloodline or artificial means (such as consuming other races) has more than 1 lineage factor and so is able to wield more than one devil fruit. At the same time this fail safe the Lunarians had in place bet on humanity's greed for such powers to keep them from getting the upper hand. But they were overthrown regardless somehow (maybe spreading a lineage factor to everyone that not only gave them the ability to use 1 devil fruit but also caused the creation of the other human races?).
28:00. I dont think vagapunk made bunbuku. I only mention this because its fascinating to think what a sword master and a scientist might both do make this happen. My theory is that tenguyama tried to make tea with the tanuki devil fruit , and vegapunk was a little more purposeful about doing it. Maybe bunbuku became a teapot on his own. Theory 2 is that all devil fruit are zoan human fruit, and classic zoan fruit can be spoken to and manipulated to obey anothers will, because the mind of an animal is inside. I can elaborate.
Nice video. I have to say I dislike the idea of Zoan Awakenings being permanent though, as it makes it feel like nerfs for actually important Zoan users. Admittedly something has to explain why the Impel Down jailers were significantly weaker than pre-timeskip Luffy but still awakened. I like the idea that Vegapunk invented a way to awaken Zoan users by force but the side effects are that the awakening is permanent. Could lead to a bunch of awakened Zoans fighting against the cast in the final war as well, would be a much needed buff to the fodder if Elbalf is on the Straw Hat's side (which seems inevitable). Also thanks to the constant DKC music I now think of One Piece while I play Donkey Kong. Not really complaining though.
I'm with you regarding awakened zoans being permanently stuck in that state. I love your proposed solution - that Vegapunk forcibly awakened the jailer beasts resulting in their present condition. You're right that it would really reduce the threat level of Zoan enemies because they wouldn't be able to tap into awakening unless they're willing to irreversibly give themselves over to the fruit. Doflamingo did say awakening is rare, but still, it's suspicious none of the enemies on Onigashima have awakened. Big Mom, I can understand. She wasn't taking Law and Kid seriously and at the end of the day, she was outmaneuvered, but not overpowered. Her story is definitely not finished, so I can understand why Oda wants to save her awakening for when she next appears in the story. I guess it's possible she was already using her awakened powers, but Oda has so far always announced when awakening happens, so I don't think she has. The Tobi Roppo and even Jack, I could see not being capable of awakening. But it's really strange for King, Queen, and particularly Kaido. It does seem significant that in 1042, when Luffy and Kaido were really getting going, Kaido's teeth changed - perhaps showing he was very near awakening? I know focus is going to be on Luffy for the next few weeks, but I really feel like Oda's trying to take our eyes off Kaido for the time being. Also, that's funny - I hadn't considered I was building a subconscious association, but they are two great things to associate lol
@@StrawHatJedi Yeah honestly with the way the raid has gone I've gonna become annoyed with awakenings. I think they're a great idea in theory but they seem to just be handed out to whoever and whenever Oda pleases instead of in a logical fashion. You are correct in Big Mom having a reason, if I remember correctly in the cliffhanger attack that everyone thought was the finale but wasn't she literally just yells at Kid to hit her without doing anything to defend. Clearly not the action of someone fighting an equal. With the Beast Pirates though there isn't really any excuse without going into the realm of speculation. I think one possibility, assuming we aren't jumping to conclusions about the Impel Down guards being rather primitive, is that it basically gives control to the primitive side of your Zoan fruit. Maybe the spirit inside the fruit even. In exchange for a massive boost in Offense and Defense you basically lose control of all other instincts and go on a mindless rampage. The offensive and defensive boost could be the most significant of any Devil Fruit with the mindless of it being it's nerf to keep it in check. So for instance Kaido awakening could potentially just destroy the whole damn island, friend and foe alike. It would make sense why he wouldn't use something like that until he had no other alternative. As for the Calamities - yeah I got no excuse for that. I'm hoping they're all just taking advantage of the idea we were introduced to in Impel Down - that Awakened DF users get back up quickly if you leave them be. I would be mildly annoyed other wise but if Kaido doesn't have an awakening I'm just gonna have to make my own UA-cam video about that cause UA-cam comments wouldn't be able to contain the level of salt that would get out of me. Oh and before I go as for the "they've already awakened" counter argument some people give - yeah I'm 99.99% sure they haven't. Oda is a very detailed oriented author and is aware of how little info he has given on awakenings, he wouldn't just casually have characters awakening with no fan-fare, no indication and not have it sway the fight at all. I mean that's like failing at the fundamentals of battle shonen writing right there.
jabra was talking bout getting close to another fruit that the devils would get out and fight but lucci said that its been tested that it only happens when you eat twp
"Thus far... only Vegapunk has been able to infuse devil fruit into objects." Right after mentioning the Tanuki fruit, which is from Wano and couldn't have been made by Vegapunk without some major shenanigans. Especially as it's [SPOILER BELOW] pet/teaset. [Sukiyaki's] Also, just want to say... You got a bunch of this shit right on the money. The memories or wills of the fruit were directly alluded to by the Gorosei... WHo would certainly know.
what if the water type devil fruit exists and its being used by a whale who swallowed raft tale? and by using the fruits powers its trying to drag all devil fruit users back to raft tale the point of origin of all devil fruits. so the fruits are not cursed, but something is intentionally trying to bring the hosts down, kinda like a lure, it gives you power in order to drag u down to bring you to the final destination. No one would discover this fact since no one wants to drown obvs.
"Anything a man can imagine... is a possibility in reality." Interesting.
!!!! Oda is an actual genius
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Man you really called it. I don't think anyone else had this theory before chapter 1069.
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Ok so I feel that Nightmare Luffy gave us a glimpse into how devil fruits work. The shadows stuffed into Luffy were analogous to the inherited wills left over by past users of a particular devil fruit.
I'm hesitant to say soul as we've been exposed to so many non corporal remnants of people, such as shadows (Moria), souls (Big Mom), Qi (Lao G), and inherited wills. It actually reminds me of the ancient egyptian concept of various parts of the soul.
This part will probably change as the story nears its end but right now my placeholder theory is that the devil fruits were originally designed for the Lunarians to use. Thanks to their biology (they have more than 1 lineage factor) they could have more than one fruit while humans only having 1 lineage factor would only allow them 1 fruit only. Blackbeard, either through his bloodline or artificial means (such as consuming other races) has more than 1 lineage factor and so is able to wield more than one devil fruit. At the same time this fail safe the Lunarians had in place bet on humanity's greed for such powers to keep them from getting the upper hand. But they were overthrown regardless somehow (maybe spreading a lineage factor to everyone that not only gave them the ability to use 1 devil fruit but also caused the creation of the other human races?).
the idea that devil fruits could be drowning their users on purpose to reroll for a more compatible user is amazing
28:00.
I dont think vagapunk made bunbuku.
I only mention this because its fascinating to think what a sword master and a scientist might both do make this happen.
My theory is that tenguyama tried to make tea with the tanuki devil fruit , and vegapunk was a little more purposeful about doing it. Maybe bunbuku became a teapot on his own.
Theory 2 is that all devil fruit are zoan human fruit, and classic zoan fruit can be spoken to and manipulated to obey anothers will, because the mind of an animal is inside.
I can elaborate.
Nice video. I have to say I dislike the idea of Zoan Awakenings being permanent though, as it makes it feel like nerfs for actually important Zoan users. Admittedly something has to explain why the Impel Down jailers were significantly weaker than pre-timeskip Luffy but still awakened. I like the idea that Vegapunk invented a way to awaken Zoan users by force but the side effects are that the awakening is permanent. Could lead to a bunch of awakened Zoans fighting against the cast in the final war as well, would be a much needed buff to the fodder if Elbalf is on the Straw Hat's side (which seems inevitable).
Also thanks to the constant DKC music I now think of One Piece while I play Donkey Kong. Not really complaining though.
I'm with you regarding awakened zoans being permanently stuck in that state. I love your proposed solution - that Vegapunk forcibly awakened the jailer beasts resulting in their present condition.
You're right that it would really reduce the threat level of Zoan enemies because they wouldn't be able to tap into awakening unless they're willing to irreversibly give themselves over to the fruit. Doflamingo did say awakening is rare, but still, it's suspicious none of the enemies on Onigashima have awakened.
Big Mom, I can understand. She wasn't taking Law and Kid seriously and at the end of the day, she was outmaneuvered, but not overpowered. Her story is definitely not finished, so I can understand why Oda wants to save her awakening for when she next appears in the story. I guess it's possible she was already using her awakened powers, but Oda has so far always announced when awakening happens, so I don't think she has.
The Tobi Roppo and even Jack, I could see not being capable of awakening. But it's really strange for King, Queen, and particularly Kaido. It does seem significant that in 1042, when Luffy and Kaido were really getting going, Kaido's teeth changed - perhaps showing he was very near awakening? I know focus is going to be on Luffy for the next few weeks, but I really feel like Oda's trying to take our eyes off Kaido for the time being.
Also, that's funny - I hadn't considered I was building a subconscious association, but they are two great things to associate lol
@@StrawHatJedi Yeah honestly with the way the raid has gone I've gonna become annoyed with awakenings. I think they're a great idea in theory but they seem to just be handed out to whoever and whenever Oda pleases instead of in a logical fashion. You are correct in Big Mom having a reason, if I remember correctly in the cliffhanger attack that everyone thought was the finale but wasn't she literally just yells at Kid to hit her without doing anything to defend. Clearly not the action of someone fighting an equal.
With the Beast Pirates though there isn't really any excuse without going into the realm of speculation. I think one possibility, assuming we aren't jumping to conclusions about the Impel Down guards being rather primitive, is that it basically gives control to the primitive side of your Zoan fruit. Maybe the spirit inside the fruit even. In exchange for a massive boost in Offense and Defense you basically lose control of all other instincts and go on a mindless rampage. The offensive and defensive boost could be the most significant of any Devil Fruit with the mindless of it being it's nerf to keep it in check. So for instance Kaido awakening could potentially just destroy the whole damn island, friend and foe alike. It would make sense why he wouldn't use something like that until he had no other alternative.
As for the Calamities - yeah I got no excuse for that. I'm hoping they're all just taking advantage of the idea we were introduced to in Impel Down - that Awakened DF users get back up quickly if you leave them be. I would be mildly annoyed other wise but if Kaido doesn't have an awakening I'm just gonna have to make my own UA-cam video about that cause UA-cam comments wouldn't be able to contain the level of salt that would get out of me.
Oh and before I go as for the "they've already awakened" counter argument some people give - yeah I'm 99.99% sure they haven't. Oda is a very detailed oriented author and is aware of how little info he has given on awakenings, he wouldn't just casually have characters awakening with no fan-fare, no indication and not have it sway the fight at all. I mean that's like failing at the fundamentals of battle shonen writing right there.
jabra was talking bout getting close to another fruit that the devils would get out and fight but lucci said that its been tested that it only happens when you eat twp
Also During the first Devil Fight Luffy vs Buggy Nami said “W-What a fight it feels like I’m dreaming”
"Thus far... only Vegapunk has been able to infuse devil fruit into objects."
Right after mentioning the Tanuki fruit, which is from Wano and couldn't have been made by Vegapunk without some major shenanigans.
Especially as it's [SPOILER BELOW] pet/teaset.
[Sukiyaki's]
Also, just want to say... You got a bunch of this shit right on the money. The memories or wills of the fruit were directly alluded to by the Gorosei...
WHo would certainly know.
Huh you guessed right
Devil Fruits could have their origins pinpointed to Nakrowa Dreamland the land that cricket is searching for
what if the water type devil fruit exists and its being used by a whale who swallowed raft tale? and by using the fruits powers its trying to drag all devil fruit users back to raft tale the point of origin of all devil fruits. so the fruits are not cursed, but something is intentionally trying to bring the hosts down, kinda like a lure, it gives you power in order to drag u down to bring you to the final destination.
No one would discover this fact since no one wants to drown obvs.
maybe Willie Gallon had access to Nika fruit and experimented on it
42:45 r u from philly?
What DF logia type water ?
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wow
You missed like 10 devil fruit users from east blue
Not from the East Blue. Introduced during the East Blue saga; the First 100 chapters.
Devil Fruit Powers: Luffy, Buggy, Smoker, Alvida, and potentially Dragon.
No Devil Fruit Powers: Shanks, Beckman, Roux, Yasopp, Limejuice, Bonk Punch, Monster, Hongo, Roger, Woop Slap, Makino, Higuma, Zoro, Koby, Helmeppo, Rika, Morgan, Rokkaku, Kuina, Koshiro, Ripper, Nami, Mohji, Richie, Cabaji, Boodle, Chouchou, Hocker, Rayleigh, Scopper, Gaimon, Usopp, Kaya, Piimin, Ninjin, Tamanegi, Kuro, Merry, Django, Butchie, Siam, Banchina, Yosaku, Johnny, Sanji, Zeff, Fullbody, Arlong, Gin, Patty, Carne, Krieg, Mihawk, Pearl, Hatchan, Chu, Kuroobi, Nezumi, Chabo, Nojiko, Genzo, Momoo, Pudding-Pudding, Belle-Mere, Dr. Nako, Garp, Brannew, John Giant, Tashigi, Ipponmatsu
This is petty.
Um, actually giola is not a devil fruit user.
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please take breath and talk slower. no body are runing behind you