UPDATE: Since recording this video both Zabu and Silver Surfer have both been Nerfed! But still wanted to release this video because I still think the gameplay, decisions and retreating etc can still bring value. I’ll be exploring Zabu and SS more as well as Modok in the coming days. Take care all ❤
Although I purchased Zabu and Surfer I’m happy they’re tuned down. Surfer is just not fun to play against. It wasn’t that fun to play either, though it had some fun lines with cards like Juggernaut and Rogue. Zabu was pretty oppressive as well, even for decks without Darkhawk. The double Spiderman, as well as cheap as dirt Shangs and Enchatress were rough. You shouldn’t be able to drop both on the final turn plus another 6-8 power. I had a game the other night where I Waved out Magneto and pulled all 3 parts of Brood into the negative zone. It felt like a decent play, but then my opponent dropped Wong, Mystique, and Surfer all on 6 and put 60 power down. Granted, I should have retreated with both Zabu and Sera down, but I was just trying to get two 6 drops down for a mission, and it was only for 2 cubes. Managed to pull my first pool 5 last night as well. It was Dazzler, which isn’t really what I’d hoped for, but I’ll take it. Could have been worse. Good luck on your climb! Hope it goes smooth.
I’m in the same boat, Carl. I still think they can be playable, but not oppressive. Agree with surfer, it was a necessary evil at the time. Not enjoyable though. Zabu, although fun and flexible. Was just too overturned for sure. Agree with you there! I’m the days of adding 36 power to broods are over 😂 Congrats on Dazzler. I think she’s a cool card! And you’re 1 ahead of my in pulling pool 5’s still Nothing on my end 😅
@@pg-erk3938 nope. Now it's just 3 pool trash card. They should makes him like - 4 cost card will cost 2 next 2 turn's. And reduce his power to 0. Like 3/0 card. That's would be great.
Totally agree!! I've tried pretty much tried every Modok combination and I think it's telegraphed and essentially, gambling 😂🎲♠️♥️♦️♣️🎰 Thanos and Shuri+Red Skull would be my advice now that Zabu and Surfer have been dismantled!! ☠️
I’m in the same boat! You run and enchantress/rogue in your deck and it shuts down both versions of the deck.. morbius or IW. Modok is super fun, but not a climbing deck for me right now
Hey Cash! You make a good point for sure! I think I’m already starting to see it. Hopefully that doesn’t mean leech makes a return. But I guess without leader that counter is much less potent
Hey Tyler, I think he works for sure, I agree with you there. But as a climbing deck, not working for me consistently. I think his deck needs tech cards, but I'm yet to test it out. Just my thoughts though.
I sooo don’t understand this, Im by no mean in the skill level you guys are at and I keep seeing power in the teens, im only level 50 and I keep getting matched up against opponents that are wrecking me with these crazy combos pulling 30 and 40 power. Hell I got matched up against Cozy snap a few day ago”yeah you know that outcome”I mean I understand it’s a skill mixed with a bit of luck but bloody hell it’s beginning to not be fun for the casual player.
Hey Stp! What I have found, at least I’m my experience I’d that at high ranks, tech and counter cards are really heavily played! So shangchi’s, enchantresses etc really cap the power you play each game cause you can easily get shutdown. So the games become more of a strategic game of chess to outwit your opponent rather than to just slam the most power you can. This is at least the common theme in my games I feel rn. I feel ya though, I think the matchmaking could use some work for sure
Surfer is still decent, just not as broken as he was before. It's nice he at least has some power now, too...not for Negative decks, but for all non-Negative surfer decks.
UPDATE: Since recording this video both Zabu and Silver Surfer have both been Nerfed! But still wanted to release this video because I still think the gameplay, decisions and retreating etc can still bring value. I’ll be exploring Zabu and SS more as well as Modok in the coming days. Take care all ❤
What time zone are you? My game doesnt need to be updated and the cards say the same as they aleays have(zabu and surfer)
@@pg-erk3938 AEST time for me. Although, I didn’t update anything. It just automatically came through!
So with the Zabu nerf, wouldn't he and Psylocke be good in a Mister Negative deck together? 2 chances to play Negative earlier.
@@SteelBusNole interesting idea steel.. I like it. I’ll have to give this one a go 👌
The nerf hammer was swift. Lol, keep up the great content regardless!
The Wisco!
The really just dropped it on us, no announcement! Haha
Cheers :)
Although I purchased Zabu and Surfer I’m happy they’re tuned down.
Surfer is just not fun to play against. It wasn’t that fun to play either, though it had some fun lines with cards like Juggernaut and Rogue.
Zabu was pretty oppressive as well, even for decks without Darkhawk. The double Spiderman, as well as cheap as dirt Shangs and Enchatress were rough. You shouldn’t be able to drop both on the final turn plus another 6-8 power.
I had a game the other night where I Waved out Magneto and pulled all 3 parts of Brood into the negative zone. It felt like a decent play, but then my opponent dropped Wong, Mystique, and Surfer all on 6 and put 60 power down. Granted, I should have retreated with both Zabu and Sera down, but I was just trying to get two 6 drops down for a mission, and it was only for 2 cubes.
Managed to pull my first pool 5 last night as well. It was Dazzler, which isn’t really what I’d hoped for, but I’ll take it. Could have been worse.
Good luck on your climb! Hope it goes smooth.
I’m in the same boat, Carl.
I still think they can be playable, but not oppressive.
Agree with surfer, it was a necessary evil at the time. Not enjoyable though.
Zabu, although fun and flexible. Was just too overturned for sure. Agree with you there!
I’m the days of adding 36 power to broods are over 😂
Congrats on Dazzler. I think she’s a cool card!
And you’re 1 ahead of my in pulling pool 5’s still Nothing on my end 😅
R.I.P. Zabu(
R.i.p braindead spiderman absorbing man
@@pg-erk3938 just getting Absorbing man few days ago (
@@norusnowars hes still good. Trust me that combo was bullshit and everyone knew it. Hes good for surfer decks and wong/odin decks
@@pg-erk3938 nope. Now it's just 3 pool trash card.
They should makes him like - 4 cost card will cost 2 next 2 turn's.
And reduce his power to 0. Like 3/0 card.
That's would be great.
@@norusnowars 🤡
Totally agree!! I've tried pretty much tried every Modok combination and I think it's telegraphed and essentially, gambling 😂🎲♠️♥️♦️♣️🎰
Thanos and Shuri+Red Skull would be my advice now that Zabu and Surfer have been dismantled!! ☠️
I’m in the same boat!
You run and enchantress/rogue in your deck and it shuts down both versions of the deck.. morbius or IW. Modok is super fun, but not a climbing deck for me right now
Why not Maximus on Bar sinister? 😅time stamp 20:29
Ahhh, yeah.. I think that was just a misplay by me 😭
I run a similar deck, I have Nova for the turn six boost, my highest win rate deck.
Hey Nulfater, now with the SS nerf that Killmonger nova play on turn 6 might actually be even better now! Nice 👍
I think the nerf of zabu and surfer will bring deathwave decks back, since T6 plays will become a lot more manageable after the nerf
Hey Cash!
You make a good point for sure! I think I’m already starting to see it. Hopefully that doesn’t mean leech makes a return. But I guess without leader that counter is much less potent
I disagree about modok not being consistent. With morbius and swarm he does work
Hey Tyler,
I think he works for sure, I agree with you there. But as a climbing deck, not working for me consistently. I think his deck needs tech cards, but I'm yet to test it out. Just my thoughts though.
I sooo don’t understand this, Im by no mean in the skill level you guys are at and I keep seeing power in the teens, im only level 50 and I keep getting matched up against opponents that are wrecking me with these crazy combos pulling 30 and 40 power. Hell I got matched up against Cozy snap a few day ago”yeah you know that outcome”I mean I understand it’s a skill mixed with a bit of luck but bloody hell it’s beginning to not be fun for the casual player.
Hey Stp!
What I have found, at least I’m my experience I’d that at high ranks, tech and counter cards are really heavily played! So shangchi’s, enchantresses etc really cap the power you play each game cause you can easily get shutdown. So the games become more of a strategic game of chess to outwit your opponent rather than to just slam the most power you can. This is at least the common theme in my games I feel rn.
I feel ya though, I think the matchmaking could use some work for sure
Yeah might as well delete this deck now. Ss and zabu are garbage now. Really shady and greedy to nerf them after season ends and just taking money.
Surfer is still decent, just not as broken as he was before. It's nice he at least has some power now, too...not for Negative decks, but for all non-Negative surfer decks.
bruh they are nowhere near garbage LOL I could not disagree more with this comment
No announcement though. Not in game or website
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You cant even compare ss or zabu to cards like miles morales