This is one of the BEST TEAMS right now • Pokemon Scarlet/Violet VGC Battles
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- In this video, I try out the team that finished Rank #1 in the world at the end of the November Ranked Season! Tornadus teams have been incredibly dominant since day 1 of the format - this team is a slightly new take on Tornadus, with Landorus-I. Landorus-I is not a super popular pick, but it's really strong into a lot of different Pokemon right now and can pressure with huge damage onto popular meta picks like Iron Hands, Heatran, Chi-Yu, Ogerpon, Rillaboom, and more!
Team Creator: / mihono_suica
Rental Code: PV7QD4
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November Rank Teams: liberty-note.com/2023/12/01/s...
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:20 - November Ranked Teams
2:07 - Team Breakdown
10:52 - Weaknesses
12:54 - Game 1
23:00 - Game 2
32:36 - Game 3
44:59 - Game 4
54:44 - Game 5
1:07:42 - Game 6
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unrelated to the moves' performance in this video, but they should have made that each of the genie's new signature moves only had perfect accurate in a specific weather, not all in rain. Landorus' in sand, Thundurus' in rain, Tornadus' in snow and enamorus' in sun would be very interesting for the metagame and it would - mostly - fit their catch locations in legends arceus
iVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS
Hi Aaron! I'm Fausto (Mozart9398), the player from the last match. You probably don't remember but I had the chance to meet you at EUIC last April! We talked a bit, then took a picture together. As I said there to you, you are one of my greatest sources of inspiration when it comes to VGC and I've been watching your content since the OrAs era! Thank you for the good match yesterday and keep up the great work💪🏻🔥
Sandsear Storm is 100% accurate in rain. The only genie signature move where that isn't the case is Springtide Storm.
You'd think Sand or Sun would do that instead. Weird.
That's so weird.
Sandsear Storm should instead be 100% accurate in Sand, and Springtide Storm be 100% accurate in Misty Terrain. That would undoubtedly make Sand and Misty Terrain get more usage as well as Sandsear and Springtide.
Thats incorrect af… all of there moves have 80% accuracy and all get boosted in rain
@@PHiLLy2cnope, not springtide
QOTD: I’ve found all Ogerpon forms hard to use but more specifically water-ogerpon. One of the main problems I have is deciding between follow me or swords dance as they both are amazing options but you can really only have one if you still want ivy cudgel, grass stab, and spiky shield. The Pokémon is really good but I just struggle using it especially with it being weak to flying and my teams often aren’t great against flying types
H-Arcanine is really good again flying! And Ogerpon would have pretty good synergy with water absorb. Could try slapping him on?
Depends on the focus of Pon in your team.
If he is the sweeper you use other pokemon to support him. Like a Rillabon and set Pon with "ivy, grassy, sword, spike"
If Pon will support the other pkm you use follow me to redirect atks and EV it for more bulky.
You use a set "ivy, horn, follow, spike"
(I like to pair it against w-urshifu, basically turns off rapid strikes and aqua jet).
Personally, I find Water Ogerpon easy to use as support to shut down Urshifu. It makes it really hard for your opponent to click surging strikes and allows you to just horn leech it. I also think Rock Ogerpon is good support for trick room setup and can be easy to use with a similar set (FM, Spikyshield, horn leech, ivy Cudgel.
I think Fire Ogerpon and grass Ogerpon are better as offensive SD users without follow me and maybe have grassy glide or grass hammer instead of leech. The increase in attack or speed from tera allows you to go on the offensive pretty easily.
I think the real reason it's hard to use is each type of Ogerpon needs a completely different EV spread so it's not easy to have a good EV spread that fits each one which makes it really hard to use.
Sorry for the partially related rant but… Good pokemon with flying resists are so hard to come by in this format. Rock types are hard to use bc it’s usually not the best type and typically they like to tera away from that rock typing anyway. Then for steels there’s like, heatran and gholdengo for high tiers and that’s it, and they also make good use of tera which means getting rid of flying resist. My tornadus team a huge way I win is baiting Heatran to tera grass then after some chip KOing it with bleakwind which means that their flying resist becomes a hindrance. I’m really hoping with reg f archaludon, paradox terakion whatever it may be and whimsicott will be enough that torn isn’t the most dominant pokemon
the water pon on the laic 2nd place team is amazing with swords dance horn leech, you have torn indeedee for speed and redirection support and flutter chi yu eleki to nuke everything else that oger cant. i bring ogerpon majority of games
That first game poison tera specifically for the grassy terrain healing captures exactly what I love about VGC !! Being able to be creative with your team when there’s so many different game states to think about. Thanks for the awesome video as always!! 😊
I’m the player name Alexander with the electrode on my team I learned a lot from our match I made a couple of tweaks to my team now actually now that I seen that lando and it help me out a lot on the ladder. My surprise attacks on flutter main goal was to catch people of guard which it actually works same with ogerpon with superpower. I’ll always will be attending my first Charlotte regionals next month I hope I could get a picture with one of my favorite players 😊 see ya on the ladder !
That team was wild, what is the idea with electrode?
@@Twilightblade7asserting dominance by making the opponent question themselves
@@thevigilmain6628😂 I want to know the moveset so bad though! I love that spherical guy.
@@thevigilmain6628 Actual facts. I knew that wooden sphere was good somehow. I just didn't know how to do it.
QOTD: has to be Amoonguss for me, it always feels way too passive for my liking, a lot of the time most teams are very anti-amoonguss with grass types, tera grass and safety goggles being as common as they are, if it can't put stuff to sleep or redirect attacks it never feels like it's actually worth using, Ogerpon being a thing now just feels like what I should be using to redirect and have a generally useful grass type
It always feel weird seeing Landorus Incarnate. Super strong with Sheer Force and functions super differently compared to Therian.
I've been using this team for a week, gonna be cool to watch you piloting it!
Already had the pleasure to see this team a few times - I was a bit sad, as most people just seem to think it's an autowin by just clicking a few buttons mindlessly.
Good job explaining and obviously piloting!
I was just thinking I need to try a new team and here you are with a new video. Keep it up
QOTD: I think probably Cetitan, specifically with Sheer force and belly drum, it can be insane with play rough, icicle crash and ice shard or liquidation but it's very hard to support properly
A Roaring Moon balance team would be cool to see featured! SableyeVGC just did a team report on one!
I love Pokémon that can use Tera defensively and offensively at the same time. This Landorus and Tera flying Roaring Moon come to mind, as well as Urshifu (dropping its fighting type) and flutter mane (dropping the ghost type)
That game 3 Tornadus value was so satisfying, good plays and keeping track of field state by your part
Playing against this team on ladder has been very difficult, it’s a strong team! I managed to finish #30 during last Ranked Season so I was the final slot on that Liberty Note article you shared!
Thanks Aaron for the loooooooooong episode, much appreciated
that poison terra in game 1 to get terrain recover was unbelievable. aaron zheng the goat!
so true!
QOTD: id say Heatran or Farigiraf they always seem good on opposing teams but feel very mid when I try to use them
Peace these videos are always dope to watch and full of good information.
QOTD: Landorus-Therian, any time I've ever tried to use this pokemon it has been able to intimidate cycle but every time I need it to hit something it comes up short. Because of this I generally refrain from using Lando-T and opt to use other intimidaters in its place.
QOTD: Abomasnow. It has a threatening STAB combo, and can set up aurora veil. It’s really let down by it’s inability to take hits and it’s middling speed. Often it feels like it’s only contribution is the aurora veil and tends to eat up your Tera option. It’s hard to find matches where you should bring it out. A-Ninetails just fills the weather role so much better.
Sheer Force Lando always hits so much harder than I anticipate so I now always prioritize getting rid of it when I come across teams like this lol. Especially tricky when you're so used to Therian form having a different speed tier so this guy can put you on the back foot fast
QOTD: Amoonguss, I feel like the pros know this Pokémon in and out because they’ve been using it since B&W. It’s good when I bring it to TR matchups usually, but i need to work on evaluating win conditions outside of TR too. It’s like, knowing when to side pollen puff and spore and rage powder and protect and do I want clear smog for Dondozo? Haha😅
Wow that was such a cool Slowbro set.
QOTD: I love Samurott, especially Hisuian form, but I can't seem to find a consistent way for it to deal damage while staying alive. 2 major points:
1. Samurott-H has a weak defensive profile for the amount of special damage on the format, especially with how common Flutter Mane, Genies' Storms, Heatrans, BM Ursaluna, and Gholdengo are in the format. Not only that it struggles taking a hit from Fairy moves, it's not easy to switch into the most common physical moves coming from Fighting (Urshifus and Iron Hands), Electric (again, Iron Hands), and Grass types (Ogerpon).
2. Even with Sharpness, it's hard to justify going for an attacker that has mostly low-base power moves (Ceaseless Edge only has 65, Night Slash is only 70, Razor Shell is 75, Aqua Cutter is 70). If we're serious about winning, we can't pick Sammy H over more consistent mons, let alone physical cores (its main competition is Urshifu-R obviously). I've tried it as AV support w/ Bulldoze, damage core, setup plus cleanup, it just really is hard to justify using over the other possible physical mons in the format.
I would love to see you try out Wolfie's weezing team!
There Is no other content creator i could be locked on to for an 1:20 minutes. I appreciate you Aaron. Thank you for all your dedication and hard work to bring us this unmatched level of perspicacity.
QOTD: I cannot for the life of me use Chien Pao well. Not to say it's bad, it's obviously not, and I've done well with it before, but a lot of the teams that I use have somewhat minimal speed control which I thought would be fine at first, its not like the lack of speed control hurt my Flutter Mane or Ogerpon, but the resultt is Chien Pao feels slow, kinda clunky, and I'm really only bringing it to deal with Lando, which isn't even reliable since it can get flinched with Rock Slide. When I switched the Bundle, I had way more success, even 9 hydro pump misses later.
For me, it's Kingambit and Gholdengo. Everyone else seems to play amazing with it while when I run either, they seem to not do too much. However, I'll admit I'm bad at positioning, so this is probably the case.
2:10 Chi-Yu. I know its sets are straightforward, its ability helps it hit even harder, it's an overall great pokemon, and even has a very cool design. But it just never seems to be the easiest fire type to fit when I'm building a team.
QOTD: Easily Heatran. I understand that it can be a fantastic pokemon when used well, with good matchups into flutter, pao, gholdengo, indeedee-armarouge, etc. but the fact it gets completely wasted by most other mons without tera makes it really difficult to actually utilise in those matchups as 90% of the time your opponent can just bring lando, urshifu, iron hands etc. with pao, force a tera grass and then either tera flying tera blast or just icicle crash you into oblivion. I often struggle to find situations where I actually use it in battle as well, and when I do the most it does is apply pressure and just sit on the field doing chip damage. I definitely don't hate this mon, but even after watching top-level players use it I still don't get its full functionality. It'd be awesome if you could do a vid on a team with heatran on it to help people like me see what'd work best in terms of what the baked bean machine can do :)
QOTD: for me it’s Amoongus, Rillaboom, hisui arcanine. The constant having to switch them out to take full advantage of them and understanding there rules is hard for me, despite the raving reviews.
QOTD: Pretty much anything that's a glass cannon. I prefer and prioritize survivability over power. It's why I tend to choose bulky Pokemon that can also be aggressors or supporters, like Arcanine for example.
QOTD: Back in SwSh, I used to try out calyrex-shadow all the time, but I never really got the value out of it which was needed from a restricted mon. Being extremely frail just meant people would double into it and esp at the time I had a really hard time getting it going
Yay for late night uploads, but since you’re east coast I guess it’s just super early for you 😂🥰😘
i use that lando with a fast fake out user in weavil while set nasty plot and i pivot into peliper to start sweeping,i love that pokemon
In the game against the trick room setup wouldn’t rain dance sandsear just be an optimal play because it covers for heat wave damage and makes sandsear 100% accurate?
I wish i had access to more of these pokemon since i really like how fire ogerpon can helping hand gholdengo
QOTD: I've found rillaboom quite underwhelming in this format, fake out is so obvious that people just lead their ghost tera/covert cloak into it and it still has 5 weaknesses, plus all the intimidate makes it a lot less of a threat
Glad someone else agrees 😅
That poison Tera game 1 was insane holy shit
I find Urshifu difficult to use. obviously one of the most powerful tools offensively, but 97 base speed is not enough to cover its frailty, so you really have to play each turn carefully if you want to actually get off strong attacks
QOTD: Any support oriented Pokémon. I really just thrive on pure offense. And switching styles is something I struggle with
I have so much fun this video where you have more fun with the hisui arkani with e speed this video is soooo good please make this team update for now
Could you showcase a politoed rain team please!!
QOTD: I cannot use Landorus Therian. I don’t know why, I see it work, I know how it works, but it never fits on my team and I don’t like the style. I am cooking some reg F teams and it may be just what I need.
I find heatran can be a little difficult to position but especially against both a ground move and something that hits your tera super effectively
Kingambit....i cannever get that mon to work but its solid
QOTD:Ogerpon fire has been very difficult to fit in teams bc idk what to add between swords and follow me which wellspring form can do both better with the special defense boost or triple attacks which cornerstone form does better surprisingly.
One thing that’s cool about rain dance on this team is it makes both bleakwind and sandsear storm 100% accurate. Most people don’t know that rain makes sandsear and wildbolt storm 100% accurate along with bleakwind since it’s never said in the game but apparently it does
Or you could just play against me. Those moves are 100% accurate vs me rain or shine 😂
I find it hard to use Chi-yu and Chien-Pao. Not sure why but I just can’t get them to work.
QOTD: Iron Hands for me. Even though he’s insanely bulky and a great AV user, I’ve never been able to use him on the same level as other players have. Hariyama, however, is one I have no problem in using
QOTD: Alolan ninetails, if done right veil can be soooo strong but with all the prankster weather + taunt tornaduses running around it made extremely hard to use the pokemon and i could just never get a grip on the "am i gonna click veil this turn" mindgames
Also h-rk9 for some reason i just cant figure out how to use well compared to lando but thats partly due to iron hands being everywhere
QoTD: I think any trick room Pokémon is hard to use except Amoonguss. Torkoal, Cresselia, Ursaluna, Farigaraf, etc. always feels like a guessing game as most teams have some answer to trick room and stalling it out is not hard if you have protect.
Built a team like this on showdown, debated between landorus and Sandy shock though.
QOTD: Gholdengo
It’s really good but I can’t seem to get the make it rain in at the right time. It’s either too slow or One Pokémon will protect and the other will make a defense switch. Then I’m down SPA and in a bad spot.
QOTD: definitely Torn or Whimsicott. Prankster tailwind always felt weird to play for me. An honorable mention would be Xern
I saw this video and then hopped on ranked and the first team I fought was exactly this one.
The video helped me fully understand why I lost🫠
“One of the best teams” oh boy I can’t wait to see urshifu, h-arcanine, rillaboom, and tornadus!
Hello friends -- I know this is an odd place to ask this question, but: If a Pokemon VGC event says that it starts at 8:30am, what time should players get there and when do the matches start? I'm travelling to the Liverpool Regional in January from a different city and want to make sure everything goes well.
An hour beforehand should be fine! You COULD try earlier if you’d Luke to beat the line up etc. But your time anywhere between 7-7:30am should be more than enough! :)
@@MeldyFreld Thank you! I really appreciate it. That's earlier than I expected, so I might get a cheap room nearby.
27:00
Maybe I'm just bad but
I'm wondering why Aaron was so confident the Ogerpon would Follow Me there
If I was the opposing player with Ogerpon under rain, it would be way too tempting to click rain-boosted Ivy Cudgel
Mihono bringing his SuicA-game to VGC.
Ogrepon just doesnt click for me a lot of the time, but its super popular so I've been giving it a shot anyways
QOTD: For me, it's Rillaboom. I wanted to use it as a safety measure against Water Urshi, buut.. it always fell flat for me. (Everytime I brought it the opponents where tera poison, and also Tornados is next to it) Though I am also not a very good player, so I can hardly blame Rilla.
QOTD: Urshifu (both forms). I can never seem to position it well for some reason
Its natural Speed is bad. The reason why speed control like Tornadus/Roaring Moon Tailwind or Flutter Mane/Iron Bundle Icy Wind is so popular with it is it shores up that weakness to create those situations where you outspeed all your opponents and your opponent can't slow the pace down with Protect due to Unseen Fist.
Fake Out partners like Rillaboom and later Incineroar also benefit from the opponent needing to call a 50/50 on who gets Flinched and who gets attacked.
How does someone find the ranked ladder online?
In the second battle I noticed you said that felt like specs damage when ogerpon ivycudgeled your torn for a KO that’s not possible as in order for ogerpon to become terra water it had to be holding wellspring mask. Also sandsear as well as bleak wind storm become 100% accurate in the rain.
The Specs comment was about Chi Yu, not Ogerpon
QOTD: My take would be Ogerpon, other pokemon can gel up consistently and relying upon a particular combination is counterproductive. Also Pokemon at awkward speed tiers between 65-95
I will say a not very great mon hisuian samurott is so cool and has a fun move, but everytime I playtest it I never have to bring it and when I do it barely does anything. I may just be bad lol
Landorus, both forms. I don’t know all the different speeds well enough to keep it alive.
QOTD: I can't figure out how to use Flutter Mane. It just doesn't work for me.
QotD; My answer would be same even now that it would have been in Sw/Sh and that is Rillaboom by far. I just can't find a comfortable spread, tera and/or item for it to fill my needs in a team. I've tried a lot of Rillaboom sets but only one set I've found which I really like and what feels optimal to me and that is bulky, 252atk tera grass miracle seed with grassy glide and wood hammer, but I've never seen anyone else use it
QOTD: Grim for me lol I understand how to use him just never feel like I get value
I guess I’m a bit bad at using Gholdengo. I’m ok at it but it’s definitely my worst.
QOTD: I have no clue why, but I can't make Bloodmoon Ursaluna work for me. It gets bodied by urshifu, rillaboom, and the ogerpons, and doesn't like taking even neutral attacks. But it hits so hard.
Does not grassy terrain reduce ground type damage?
Only earthquake, magnitude, and bulldoze
QOTD: Heatran. I find it too slow for Tailwind and too fast for Trick Room.
At the end of game 5 you could have rain danced + sand sear storm vs the Armarouge and ursaluna for 100% victory
You should try to get top players together for a reg E
Draft league
I never thought about how sick a doubles draft league would be
First here much love as always for your content Aaron 🎉
Every team “is the best” the way you use them. And the ladder sees a spike of the teams you use.
QOTD: definitely ogerpon cuz I can never figure out how I want to use it
QOTD: Heatran.
My Heatran always deals less damage, and has less staying power than any Heatran I ever played against. I don't know why, I just can't make it work.
QOTD: I took perish trap to Bris Regional, went 4-4… it was not the call lol
Answer to last turn was SStorm and hope for a burn, no?
You can’t burn because of Sheer Force
QOTD" call me crazy but lando therian always feels awkward for me
Hey Aaron, could you show a video or you building a team NOT using all these overused pokemon (urshifu, flutter, iron hands, tornadus, h-arcanine, etc.) Just cause some of us dont have access to all them or dont enjoy seeing/playing the same mons all the time. Really enjoy your vids and have helped me greatly improve and become interested in VGC (planning on 1st regionap next year in Van), continue the great informative vids!
For example, using like Palafin or scizor or snealser or weavile etc...
severe allergic reaction to seeing both tornadus and landoru- oh it's incarnate based team
Chi-Yu just doesn't click with me for some reason
QOTD: I surprisingly find Landorus Therian hard to use since I feel it has somewhat inconsistent damage output, especially with U turn and rock slide, it’s non stab moves.
I find that in Gen 9, early-game Landorus is more about positioning with U-turn and Intimidate, and only shines as a damage-dealer in the late-game when everything else is weakened.
Where do I go to find VGC teams? Can anyone send me a link?
Victory Road Website
QOTD: Hsuian Zoroark feels like it should be better than it is. Part of it I think is finding the right partner for it, but I haven’t quite figured that out yet.
Physical explosion regieleki with it is really good. I've run it with all kinds off stuff with mixed success. In theory H-Goodra is really good with it but I struggled to make it work. Same with kinggambit.
You basically want things that are going to be targeted with fake out, fighting moves and ghost moves so you can get a nasty plot up.
MausApe lead with H-Zoraork on the bench is also super mind-gamey for the opponent and can just win games on its own.
@@rmtsapphire0I’ll have to try Regi, never even considered that option
Lando Look like Garchomp in special dam version
Half your team is legends though? I want to enjoy vgc/ double battles but its crazy that people are using 3-4 legends and not getting bored
Qotd: landorus t, manages to miss every rock slide, and leave Pokémon at 1 hp.
QOTD: Idk why, but I just suck at using urshifu, probably because I don’t bring the proper partners for it but idk
My sweety Aron❤
QotD: I cannot make Arcanine or H-Arcanine work for the life of me. I see them do so much work for others but I just don't see it when I try to use them.
I think I got wrecked by this team once
Ahh, exactly when I've just been craving for some more Aaron "Cyberton" Zheng content