M91/41: A Step Back From the M38 and the Last Carcano
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In my opinion, the M38 Carcano as a very insightfully designed infantry rifle for World War Two, acknowledging the real-world use conditions of such weapons. With the M91/41 (aka M41), Italy took a step back from that. Originally designed as the M40 in 1940 with a new rear sight design adjustable out to a reasonable 500m, it was adopted in 1941 with a copy of the original M91 carbine rear sight, graduated out to 1000m. The barrel was shorter than the M91 rifle, but only by about 3.5 inches. It had a straight bolt handle, and sling attachments on both the side and the bottom.
The M41 was produced at the Terni Arsenal until September 1943, when Italy signed an armistice with the Allies. Production also took place at Armaguerra in the north, and that factory was controlled by German forces after the armistice, and would continue producing rifles in 1944. A total of about 917,000 M41 rifles were made between the two factories.
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The last of the Carcanos sounds like an epic movie title.
I’d watch it. With subtitles of course
Title sounded like the last crusade
The Last of the Carcanos is my favorite movies in the FWCU (Forgotten Weapons Cinematic Universe)
It sounds like a documentary of an Italian mafia
Tom Cruise as Last Italian bolt-action rifle.
Hello Mr. Ian; I thought I would share my Model 41 bio here as a point of interest to some. For my 12th birthday (1964), my Dad purchased an Italian Carcano M41 rifle at a local Department Store called Gaylord's. Different world then, because Gaylord's had brought in a large stock of surplus Carcano's for sale. All of the rifles were the model 41, complete with surplus 6.5 ammo with clips. The cost was 6-bucks, and at the time money was tight in our family, my Dad picked out a pristine M41 and purchased it, with 20-rounds of the surplus ammo with clips, for 2-bucks extra. Total for rifle and ammo was 8-dollars plus a few cents (then) for tax. At that time surplus military bolt-action rifles were aplenty. All kinds of rifles, besides Carcano's, 98k Mausers, Arisaka Rifles 6.5 & 7.7, French Lebels, Spanish 1893 Maulers, Enfields MK III & Jungle Carbine. Most of these rifles were under 15-dollars in the 1964 time period. The Italian Carcano M41 my Dad purchased was ultimately given to me on my 12th birthday. My Dad love to "sporterize" military bolt actions and sell them to hunters. The Infields were his favorite rifles to sporterize, and that is what he did to my Carcano before it was given to me. Bolt-action surplus arms were abundant in 64, with no thought given to future values of non-sporterized rifles. Ian, I'm an elderly man now, and I still have my Carcano M41 my Dad worked on and he literally made a silk purse from a sow's ear. My rifle is still beautiful, I hunted deer with it over the passing years and now it does home defense chores for its elderly owner. Almost 7-decades have past since Dad gave me this Italian treasure. I have read that many M41 rifles were used by the Alpini Forces in Russia, whatever, I love this rifle out of pure sentiment now. My Dad and I though highly of the Italian Forces fighting on the Eastern Front, and this rifle of mine was the same arm the Italian Infantry carried. Sorry for the length here, because I take issue with the naysayers of this rifle, it performed well when cared for properly.
5:46 "I don't have an example here to show you of those. Sorry!"
I forgive you, Ian.
Onyx there are some miracles that even Gun Jesus can’t preform. I still pray to him regardless
@@elijahaitaok8624
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... and Blessed are the Pious Arms Collectors!
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Only a matter of time. He will get there eventually.
According to "The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle" by Giovanni Chegia & Alberto Simonelli (page 118), the Model 1891/41 rifle was also named the Fucile per Alpini (rifle for Alpine troops) because it was issued to Italian Alpine troops who fought in the bitter Russia campaign.
Note that Ian revised his very positive view on the M38 after actually trying it in a match on InRangeTV.
Mauser reigns supreme.
I don't know if he has or not. These get released long after they're filmed though so these could still be from before that match.
I shoot one of these in competition and leave lots of lee enflields, pattern17, mausers and springfields behind me. Carcano is very accurate if you have the right caliber bullets. That is where the inaccuracy most people claim come from.
mightress I thought the inaccuracy claims came from the Carcano 91/24 being cut down from full length 91’s to carbine length... this didn’t play so well with the gain twist rifling and resulted in poor accuracy. For some reason this reputation was generalized to all of the Carcano pattern rifles/carbines even though any Carcano that was originally built with its associated barrel length tended to be decently accurate.
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He talks about the video during the shooting competition and says he changed his mind since making it.
@@mightress
Accuracy wasn't the issue IIRC, lots of little design mistakes were.
That should be a movie series “The Carcanos”
Hey, Ian, I was hoping that maybe you could take a closer look at a Polish WW2 era submachine gun, "Bechowiec". It's a very interesting firearm, but very rare, I think there were only about 100 of them made... But if you were to see it, I would be really happy.
I feel like that's unlikely; the only remaining example I know of is currently on display in the Polish Army Museum. Though, it is a Forgotten Weapon alright.
@@FunnyJapaneseGirl well he did take a look at some polish underground made smg's only not on YT but on his web page - www.forgottenweapons.com/submachine-guns/polish-blyskawica-smg/
dzejrid why? Don’t nationalists want to show off to the world?
@@dzejrid wait what are polish museums like?
@@FunnyJapaneseGirlHe did, no gun left behind, I suppose!
I use this rifle most of the time in the video game sniper elite 4 and i hit a target with this rifle and it was 735 meters.The Carcano i use holds 6 rounds in the magazine.Awesome rifle.
I'm not ready for the series to be over. Buy more guns, Ian!
Didn’t expect you here great to see 😂😂😂
@@Mr1234d Who is he, if I may ask.
Ian,
Thank you for such a great educational series. What makes the videos is not so much showing the guns, but explaining their history and how they work. Next to you I know nothing about these weapons. But thanks to you I’m learning, and for anyone interested in military history, you are an essential and invaluable resource. I always come out of these videos knowing more than I did going in. Again, thank you.
I had a Carcano that someone gave me because he thought the bore was rusted. I ran a bore brush through it and the bore was perfect, no rusting at all, and the rifling was perfect. I stripped the green paint off of it and refinished the stock. I also re-blued the barrel and action. I bought a bunch of clips from somewhere I can't remember, and found some ammo for it. It shot very well. At 100 yards I could shoot about a 4 inch circle. I later traded it for a muzzle loader.
I've got one of these in really good shape, but there are few markings on it. From what I've been able to tell, it was made during the Italian Social Republic.
Thanks Ian, I'm happy you did your review on this last Carcano. I have a M38 (Terni 41) and a M41 (also a FAT42), and it has not been easy to find out too much about the M41. It's treated more of a side note and barely mentioned.
Checking the comments to see if Ian got the pronunciation right this time
Then the comments about the pronunciation in the comments being incorrect 😂
As an Italian I'd pronounce it Carcaaah-noh with a startled "Ah!" sounding "Car" and a very short "noh" sound at the end.
I'm probably wrong lol.
Most long Italian words are proparoxytone (stress on third last syllable).
Most English long words are paroxytone (stress on second last syllable).
I can live with him saying Carcàno instead of Càrcano, I make the opposite mistake most of the time when speaking English, alas it's an habit.
The maddening error of the previous videos was his mispronunciation of "moschetto" again and again.
Italian "sc" sounds like "sh" when followed by "i" or "e", unless there's an "h" in between, then it gets a "s + hard c (~k)" sound.
So "moschetto" should sound like "mosketto", but he kept saying it like "moshetto".
In Italian "moscetto" means something limp/flaccid ("moscio") and small (the "etto" ending), you might guess where the joke goes and why we started a drinking game.
"Fabbrica d'Armi di Terni" was good. We didn't have "moscetti" (yep, that's written wrong) this time, so Italians are happy. But it was an interesting series of reviews and we are all prideful of Ian's praise!
Of course, we can't help having fun of moscetti, it's nature, we can't help, it's like pizza, we have to do it! :P
Immaginate se pronunciasse pizza "piscia"
Seems like something of a backward step. Certainly a 200 m battle sight is a good idea. A properly trained soldier can probably get hits out to 400m with one. Another good option would be a second notch set for 400m. The 100-500m sight sounds like a good idea, as long as troops were trained to estimate range reasonably well. Even better would be to leave it set on 200m and only adjust it if the enemy was noticeably farther away. Most of these guns are too long. We know that 20-22" of barrel is enough to completely burn the powder charge of a midlength cartridge, so go with that. You could get the weight down to 7 lbs or so, which is practical and handy. You do not need an exceptionally long barrel for bayonet use, plus bayonet use was on the decline. Great video as always. Thank you
The problem was mostly logistic problems the m38 with the 7.51x41 was a nightmare for an army that lacked basically everything.
M38 was used by the MVSN practically the Black shirt.
It was well liked by them and other minor corps like Italian marines.
I see a forgotten weapons upload. I click the video.
And "like" the video even before Ian says his name.
I recently inherited a 91/41 made in 42 from my grandpa it’s my favorite in my collection so far
Good beech stock. It would be nice to hear more about the woods used in stocks as rifles are reviewed. Thank you.
Ian is going to make a book on the Italian rifles for sure...
Another good video. I have one of these with a turned down bolt, also Terni, but its stock cartouche and markings suggest at least refurbishment and issue in 1948. SO I suspect a post war change. Must check the serial numbers.
Perfect, I get to drink some freshly brewed coffee and watch Gun Jesus
3 less inchs....not that significant?
I know people would disagree and not be happy to hear that :P
That’s what she said 😂
A real shame they didn't slap that 100-500m rear sight on an M38 instead of making... This.
Hey Ian. Would you like to do the history of the type 24 Zhongzhen Rifle and perhaps put it on the range?
thank you for doing this
Enjoyed watching Ian and thank you for your tutalage
I have an M91 with the flip-up rear sights I got when I was a kid in the 60's. I took it to a gun shop to sell about 10 years ago and the owner just shook his head and offered me 30 bucks so I just kept it lol.
I have ones of these that I recently got at Cabelas for 160. They did not know the model number so I had assumed it was the standard long rifle. It has matching stock number and receiver number and in good shape. It was FAT 1941 and no import mark except made in Italy cartouche on the stock.
Its a shame these never made an appearance in Battlefield V :/
Battlefield 5 missed so many stuff there are no Russian guns in the game at all no ppsh or mosin and that is just the surface of the problems
That's a nice sight though. I find my M41 quite easy on my old geezer eyes. The rifle itself shoots the tightest groups of all my milsurps too.
Thank you , Ian .
How is the action?
Seems like in TFB TV's run & gun with the M41, the action wasn't very smooth.
This imo is the biggest downside of the carcano... I’ve had a couple and it’s the chintziest-feeling, least smooth action of any military bolt action I’ve experienced, which would include a variety of Mausers (both the 98 pattern as well as older ones), Enfields, Mosins, Arisakas, the various Swiss straight pulls, etc.
Mine is not smooth.. looks great , all matching
I replaced the trigger spring which also effects the sear which causes the bolt to drag. Now cycles with out any trouble. Plus trigger pull is now 3.5 lbs. Took the spring and it was same diameter as a glock 22 recoil spring but had smaller diameter of wire. Cut to same length.
tfb tv is one of the worst gun tuber ever, I posted a video on my channel showing you can operate the bolt on carcano rifles with just two fingers, people who find it hard or problematic to operate probably don't know how to clean and lubrificate it
I still wish the m38 had an adjustable rear sight
@Cielo rosso Gun Jesus said it himself, the deserts of North Africa and other wide open spaces
Would love to see some shots from 9-hole reviews.
The Volkssturm used a lot of Carcano rifles of any version. They were the most common typ of rifle available for the Volkssturm.
Also in some cases they put a block of wood into the mag and converted them to single shot, low cost rifles in 8mm Mauser, although I’ve heard from many sources that basically any Carcano in 8mm, especially those single shot conversions, are not safe to shoot.
@@stevailo rifle blows up or shot by the russians, think both had about same chance of happening by that point.
@@stevailo and that's a lot of BS, go and read what dave emeary wrote about carcano's chamber strenght, the issue is not the caliber, it's the bolt design in case of a significant gas leak, basically all that prevents the internal from flying in your eyes is the little hook on the safety tube, that was a know thing in the italian military.
lugs and chamber are good, it's the internal design that is weak against ruptured cases or punctured primers (last reported case in the italian army was in 1947)
Gjldo maybe, as I said I just reported what I heard form some Italian sources, not really an expert about these specific conversions
Nathan Benorden suggestions are accepted about which one’s the better
This channel is full of useful informations
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I missed out on one of these at a gun show today for 250
Have one. Very accurate.
Also very Interesting, that the Italians finally decided to make the Sights start out @ 200 Meters; rather than the 300 Meters of the older Rifles !
I know that you said that there where no 7.35mm M42 produced but im currently restoring one that I bought for $300 from a pawn shop. I finally got the buttplate off after getting the rusty screws removed and i noticed it was stamped with 7.35 in the wood and im not sure what that means and ive been trying to research it. Also the bolt on this variation of m42 has a bent bolt and im even more confused.
Not surprised to see that there were those running things for the Italian Army that agreed with me about those sights, especially if you are going to make an adjustable sight - why not make it go out as far as the weapon will shoot? How much more trouble could that be? Since, while most people aren't that good a shot - but - there ARE people who can hit targets at 1,000 yards with iron sights (not me ...) why not let them have sights that will let them do it if the weapon can?
The thing about the 38 - is that it was a pre-war design based on Theory - rather than experience. After the experience of North Africa - some theories were discarded.
One other factor in this - is - while you may or may not actually be able to HIT someone at 1,000 yards - you can put down suppressive fire on them that will disrupt what they are doing and cause them to seek cover. This is valuable in and of itself - and the people who engage in such tactics might become better at them over time.
With Assault Rifles - you are trading long range effectiveness for short rand fire power - as Assault Rifles are (as far as I know) automatic weapons. But - if you've got a bolt action weapon any way - why not make it one that can make use of the things it DOES have over an Assault Rifle?
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Does anybody know why the muzzle face on old military rifles was almost always left unblued?? Seems odd to me considering how close it is to the crown, one of the most essential places to be maintained for a rifles accuracy...
We need a review of IDW
And with that, the Carcanos are no more.
Last time I was this early...
I saw the video on M38
The Carcano rifles are cool, just wish there was good ammo & clips available reasonably.
7:30 - Not just northern Italy. The Germans occupied almost all of mainland Italy following the Armistice of Cassibile; only the far south (roughly Calabria, Basilicata, and Apulia) managed to hold out until the Allies landed.
Might not be practical, but that unique Carcano rear sight is pretty cool.
@6:10 "there is no caliber marking on these rifles" ... @4:35 "Carcano 6.5 Italy" can clearly be seen on the underside of the barrel. Sorry, just saying!
Didn't Ian note before in previous videos that the barrel markings were from the US importer? He's probably making mention that no caliber marking was included by the factory at the time of production.
I think he meant original markings. That is almost certainly an importation mark (I doubt that the Italians would have marked their rifles "Italy", especially in English)
thats an import mark not an original mark of course
Italian markings would have not said Italy or Italia but the city of manufacture
I really enjoy your videos, especially when you do some in the field shooting. I have a suggestion, could you do a video on the various 9mm rounds that were used like the 9mm "largo" and the Spanish carbine especially. Ty
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The Terni Carcanos did end up in Finland as military aid for the continuation war against the russians. But they were as quickly as possible exchanged for Mosin Nagants. Since they were pretty bad...
The Finnish government wanted the 200m fixed sight to be zeroed for 100m instead, so fucking the entire logic of the system (to be able to hit a human-sized target from 0 to 300m aiming at the centre of the torso). Zeroed for 100m the bullet dropepd too much already at 200m, so at normal combat distance.
I hope somebody is able to provide some insight on my rifle, I've watched all the videos on M91 types and can't fully place it. I have a full length 1917 Remington built M91 (octagon? receiver, and barrel), it's stamped with the thunder turkey for Russian service, along with the Finnish boxed SA stamping sharing space with many others. It's all matching numbers, I've only replaced a broken shear spring (due to a surprise hot round), it appears to have a modified/replaced bolt carrier (the bolt seat face angles are different than the receiver machined faces, a well worn and possible replacement stock, but the hardware for mounting upper hand guard, absent also are any ware pattern from a upper hand guard/hardware marks, and the bayonet got bored and took a vacation before I took ownership in early 00's (a muzzle brake solved the aim offset, sorry it's Howling Raven). A unhappy Air Cavalry officer, I won't ID unit/officer any farther, that bought it directly when it was retired from drill weapon service, and he set up the loudest game of horse ever, winner gets loser's mil-surp. lucky for me he got a headache... That is all the history I was told, Mostly I am curious about the bolt cut-out and the upper hand guard, if anybody knows something to help clear my ignorance some, it would be greatly appreciated?
My Carcano Calvary Carbine has no import mark but only a serial number with a TE prefix before my serial number but the rifle looks absolutely amazing with barley any wear or tear on it but I wish I knew where it was made and what year it was
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2:21
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Does this riffle still use Gain rifling (Progresive rifling)??? The old ones used it. But 7.35 didnt use progresive rifling so im curious if this does :)
What is progressive rifling, and what advantages does it have competed to normal rifling :)
@@boksininkas_ltukaras5005 progressive rifling is, the spin starts slower and ending spinning faster near the end of barrel (example- 1/12 ending in a 1/7 twist.) I dont remember the carcano's off the top of my head. I know he says it in an earlier video. I believe the reason is allows the bullet to "speed onto the twist" supposedly allowing better muzzle velocity with less wear on the barrel.
No. The last Carcano using progressive rifling was the 91/28 TS carbine.
@@neutronalchemist3241 thx :)
91/41 has 1:7.7 fix rifling, BTW carbines still had a gain twist (at least, my 6.5 cavalry carbine made in 1940 has a gain twist)
imagine a movie about a mafia called "The Carcanos"
Its interesting Ian mentioned no calibre markings as I have one with "6.5mmx52 IT", then under it "TONS PER u". There is a crown symbol with BNP and a few crowns stamped on it, also the is 2 little "TNI" stamps. Be interesting to know if it was personalised
BNP "Banco Nazionale di Prova" (National proofhouse), TNI "Terni" (Arsenal of Terni).
I have a M91/41 in far better condition than the one in the video. Mine also holds the crossed rifles marking (
Fucili incrociati) which I was told was really rare to see on any Carcano by an Italian friend. If you would like I can provide pictures through email if you would like a better look Ian. Mine to is a FAT 42 and as previously stated my rifle is in near mint condition at 95% or better. Mine also is a "V" prefix with a 3 digit serial number on the barrel behind the sight and a 4 Digit on the stock with same V prefix and number.
The Carcano’s family.
I read these where developed for the Eastern front rather than Africa.
Indiana Jones and the Last Carcano
It's the most beautiful gun next to kar98k
2:21 That's ... definitely not what she said.
Hello, this is off topic but you have the Knowledge lol. But I have a IDF Porsche sportswear vest, I cant find anything about it I just know the hebrew on it translates to IDF. Do you know anything about porsche making military gear?
Carcano version scope...
You messed up the chronology.
Italy signed an armistice.
After italy signed an armistice, the Germans occupied as much Italian territory as they could, and seized Italian army's equipment.
Then, since the Germans had became an occupation army, Italy declared war to Germany.
Italian armistice is Sept. 8 1943.
Italian war declaration to Germany is Oct. 13 1943.
More than a month later.
Yeah they fought the Allies right up until Mussolini died, and the Italian Generals got a load of gold from the US to pay the troops to fight for them.
@@shawnr771 Err... no. Mussolini died on Apr. 28 1945.
@@shawnr771 Not really. The Generals were not the ones who turned the coats. It was done by fascist leadership and the acting Prime Minister Badoglio who wanted to save their skin when the war was clearly doomed. They did it behind everyone's back and in so much secrecy that when the Armistice was declared most of the Armed Forces did not know what to do since the General Staff escaped and the King deserted as well. Most of the Armed Forces simply surrendered to the Germans because they did know what to do, many soldiers deserted when they understood the Germans were not coming to help but to round up everyone and many more simply fought against the Germans (who weren't seen in great light).
@@phantomsoldier497 I read a book that had the story of a US Army paymaster that delivered gold to the Italians so they could pay the army that remained and keep them from becoming partisans.
This happened just after the fall of Rome.
@@shawnr771 it wouldn't make much sense. What's the point in becoming a partisan in an allied zone? Partisans were active in German occupied zones so army units that fell under German occupation were the ones turning partisans since the other choice would be surrender and getting deported to Germany
It’s like a lot of you tubers follow a pattern a couple of people already did videos with this rifle and now everyone is doing a desert eagle video
Did they make a marksmen variant with an optic ?
Not in any substantial number.
A lot had been made in WWI. In WWII we have an Army letter requesting some scoped Carcanos to the Terni Arsenal, and the answer of the Arsenal stating they had 80 samples ready, but it's not known if those rifles had ever been issued. Some experimental sample is still visible at the Arsenal.
So how rare are the ones set up for front sight hoods? I have one with the milled front sight that I got for a bargain and want to know more like why it has 41 on the bottom of the chamber like is that the model number or the year of production and if so why stamped in a place you only see if you remove the stock ? Also the serial number starts with the prefix BF and on top the chamber is a crown in a box with a star on top is that the crest of the factory that got hit by allies or the other one that came under German control after the Italy switched sides? I don't know and don't know were to look for that kind of information.
You sure this is the last model? I have an Italian Air Force rifle that doesn't look like any of the ones you posted. Seems like a mix of a few.
Is this a re-upload? I have it being posted today, watched it five days ago.....
Are there other Carcanos for him to do?
Ian, doesn't it have a stamp "carcarno 6.5 Italy" right at the muzzle under the cleaning rod? Looks like it does.
That was not a factory marking. That was done by the importer to get it into the US.
Ok. Thanks for the info.
Why has mine got a bent bolt?
rifle built for the italian troops who went to fight in Russia in 1941. Later also used on other fronts
Okay look I know this isn’t the place really to ask but I have a 91/41 with a crown and a box on the receiver but no FAT and no date anywhere on the rifle. Also no import marks. Serial number AY30xx having hard time finding info on this. The most I got was when Germany took control they stopped marking the factory and dates so late 43 and 44. Can anybody confirm this please?
Will you be doing the 8mm mauser version?
Càrcano.
Were any M38s made with a straight bolt handle? My grandfather owns one and idk if it's the original bolt or just another carcano bolt thrown onto it
All 38 (7.35) and 91/38 (6.5) had bent bolt handle. All 1891 “long rifle” and 91/41 had straight bolt handle. Carbines (cavalry and TS) were always equipped with bent bolt handle.
Hey Ian , are their any other Albanian weapons other than the sks that you can take a look at?
No Scavo.
Were the Italians short on infantry machine guns if they were expecting to use rifle volley fire out to a km?
Any bolt action of that era had a rear sight adjustable up to similar ranges. The M38 was the exception.
Italy was short on everything, but the idea always was that since the bullets are lethal up to 2,000 or more meters, why not have the option to use volley fire when practical? It is not ideal, but if there is an enemy bunker 1,000 meters away and you only have a handful of riflemen to suppress it, then by all means use the riflemen. Especially for Italy who expected a lot of mountain warfare where long-range fire is commonplace and machineguns are a lot more awkward to move around than a rifle.
Just as a little historical aside: in 1870, the Prussians invaded France. They had the Dreyse Needle Rifle, which was better than a muzzleloader, but had limited range and power because of the limitations of the breech's gas seal. So they marched into France expecting that volleys might start at 500 meters and most shooting under 300 meters. The French had different ideas. They had a new rifle, the Chassepot, which had a rubber seal that greatly improved its range and power. They also had a lot of skilled officers with good optics. So the Prussians march up 1,800 meters away from the French, expecting to be safe, when suddenly they see a cloud of smoke rise from the French lines, and moments later lethal chunks of lead start landing on them. From that point on, it was clear that well-directed rifle fire could achieve previously inconceivable feats of indirect and area fire that an army neglected at its peril.
Neutron Alchemist yes, I know this. The question was in terms of this backwards step towards complexity in this one instance, as Ian talked about. Was there a doctrinal decision, or competing preferences among decision makers, or...?
I need some help with one of my grandfathers gun I think it is a beretta gardone 1940 xviii model number "jf1580" could you help me find out more on it?
Sounds like a model 1935. What caliber is it? 1940 is the year it was made, "XVIII" is 1940 in the Fascist dating system that counted years since Mussolini came to power in 1922.
I believe it is 26 caliber
IAN, MY INTRODUCTION TO WEAPONS WAS IN 1956-58 WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE ATTENDING INDIA'S "NATIONAL CADET CORPS" IN POONA, 'N. WADIA COLLEGE'. IT PAINS ME TO SEE THAT MOST OF THE GUNS YOU REVIEW ARE MOST MISERABLY MAINTAINED. EVEN THE "DP" RIFLES WE USED FOR DRILLING AND PARADE, ALL OF THEM 0.303 ENFIELD WERE METICULOUSLY KEPT, AND WE HAD TO BLANCO OUR BELTS AND SLINGS ALSO. I CAN JUST CLOSE MY EYES AND RECOLLECT THE SPOTLESS STATE OF OUR ARMOURY. THE SERVICE RIFLES WERE A THING TO BEHOLD.
I want to send this guy some stuff as a fan of the channel, how can I do that?
Go to Forgotten Weapons.com >Contact>Send Email to arrange shipment.
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What's the deal with the 6.5mm carcano rifles and spitzer bullets? I've heard in a few places people saying off-hand that 6.5mm Carcano rifles can't use spitzer bullets yet loads of other rifles that initially used heavy round nose rifle bullets seemed to all be adapted to spitzer bullets, did that not happen with carcano? Why not?
An 8 gram 6.5mm spitzer bullet seems to be far easier to develop and implement than an 8 gram 7.35mm bullet.
Also, I've looked all over the bolt there doesn't seem to be any camming surface for Primary Extraction. Where is the camming surface? Is it on the bolt lugs?
Shifting to spitzer bullets would have required replacing all the sights. And because that's the arc part of the sights, that's not an easy conversion.
6-6.5mm was a small caliber for the 1890s, so designers of cartridges of this size tended to pick very heavy bullets to compensate--an extreme example would be the 6mm Lee-Navy's original 135 grain bullet. This in turn made the ballistics good enough that switching to spitzer often wasn't worth the cost.
@@ScottKenny1978 Surely it's easier to just replace the sights than switch to a completely different caliber? Even if some rifles didn't get new sights they could still be functional with the new ammunition. Or maybe you'd still need to change the barrel due to different twist but at least you'd have less ammunition compatibility issues in the transfer.
Carcanos seem to be able to use spitzer bullets, I just don't think Italy every used any in the 6.5mm. I've hand loaded 6.5x52mm with spitzer bullets in 123gr, 139gr, and 140gr weights along with 167gr cast lead RN and 160gr jacketed soft points. All of them fed and fired just fine. Of course the trajectory was different for each one and I had to pattern them on a giant cardboard back stop. All of them grouped reasonably well from all 4 Carcanos. A M91 long rifle, M91 cavalry carbine, M91 TS, and a M41 like in the video. The cast lead loads were loaded to only 1400fps. All the others were full power loads using 0.268 diameter bullets from PPU, or Hornady with the exception of the 140gr which were 0.264 diameter. They still grouped but weren't impressive. Diameter just too small as the bullet was more intended for 6.5x55 swedish mauser.
@@fishcars8078 Thank you for the information, maybe the Italian Military just didn't want to have the problem of needing to re-do all the sights.
"6 mins ago" nice
6p62 12.7×108mm machine gun used by the Russia GRAU
I wonder why army camps of countries that issue straight bolt rifles to have a hammering station so that the soldiers could bend their bolt in any way they want to suit their personal needs? takes a blowtorch and a hammer not that hard
Forever kicking myself for not buying one when I had a chance
The mosin nagant is better
I've noticed Ian taking more time and effort to pronounce overseas names. There is no need for that. We know what you mean.
Comments regarding pronunciation in the comment sections are aimed at other Europeans, because we are all amateur linguists, kind of. The idea is "That country is a six hour drive from my home, I should be able to pronounce those things." They are never criticisms on Ian or FW.
Why didn't the M1 Garand, Mauser, Mosin Nagant, etc rifles didn't have pistol grips?
I don't believe that it was considered to improve marksmanship at the time.
None are straight in-line stocks. That narrow part where your hand goes was the pistol grip. Lower cost probably helped keep it simpler than the sculpted grip you see on fancier hunting rifles.
And definitely, marksmanship was more than good enough with the design so why spend more, adding another part and manufacturing steps, to fix something that isn't broken.
Garands and Mausers 98 and later did have pistol grips.
Straight stocks were a holdover from the era of single shot rifles where you had to raise and lower the rifle with every shot, which is easier with a straight stock. It's also easier to make with existing machinery and techniques, plus some people like to drop the rifle work the bolt with every shot even with repeating rifles.
@@hailexiao2770 do they do that to eject the case? Seems unnecessary to me...
@@visionist7 Millions of guys firing from the prone position in battle proves it's not necessary. In peacetime, it's an easy habit to pick up - for example, see deer, shoot deer, watch deer fall as you lower your rifle and eject the round.
So much knowledge lost in many areas and reinvented, oh well.
done!
Will Ian ever be able to find some Russian 9•39 rifles?