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You should add Tharja to the list next time, I love Tharja but even I know she a very controversial character that is often then not misunderstood or misinterpreted, and would be a good character to hear you discuss again in this series.
With Shinon while he is racist I feel he also just generally hates and is rude to most people, except for the few that earn his respect. It's just that due to his upbringing this comes out in the form of racism when talking to Laguz and more normal insults when it comes to Beorc. Also, I think part of the reason that cements his hatred for Ike is that he doesn't believe he's a proper replacement for Greil who he greatly respected, if Titania became leader of the Mercs he probably wouldn't have left. All these factors and his pride have cemented his hatred for Ike which will probably never change but despite that he does genuinely care for the Greil Mercs as a whole
I wonder if there'll be a most liked units video (i.e. generally likable characters). Too bad we never got to Fredrick putting Azuma through his retainer training drills (came up in FE Warriors in a support between Honoka and Fredrick)
Some other characters that come to mind are Hubert since he is rude to his allies and some of his actions are evil. There is also Soren because in Path of Radiance, he can act very cold and cruel.
I don't know who put more effort into making Azama dislikable: whoever wrote his supports or whoever gave him Hexing Rod, Counter and Miracle on the Conquest route.
@@GatorRay I’ll defend the decision to keep the series alive because we got _Three Houses_ and _Shadows of Valentia_ out of it. Awakening got me into the series, but it was SoV and TH that showed me how good the series can be.
I always had Shinon unequip any bows to help train other units early game. I'd always imagine him casually walking around saying "Hey! **** you!" while giving them the bird haha.
@@angryhoovy5861 I think Hilda has the best character development in 3H. Also don't judge her by her C supports, she really improves in her B and A supports, her suppports with Marianne and Lysithea are amazing. She is one of my favorite characters, she feels really human and she flawed like many of us, and her supports get more mature as the story goes on.
Honestly I see that whole cutscene as hilarious. Hinoka is just standing there completely baffled while these 2 dumbasses are being themselves. I don’t like Azama as a person I like him because he’s a dickhead. He’s got some hilarious comedy behind his shitty behaviour.
Setsuna is, in my opinion, one of the best characters to demonstrate the "incompetent writing" that everyone says Fates has in terms of it's characters being "one dimensional". Sure, she may be funny in many scenarios, with how often she gets herself caught in random traps and her obliviousness causing her to misinterpret what other people say to her in hilarious fashion, but I feel that her supports get boring to read after a while since they all rely on the same punchlines I just mentioned. She also never really develops, either, and just comes across as the kind of person who is more so a liability to everyone else around her in spite of her supposedly being good with a bow and arrow; which actually makes a good segway into the fact that I think that she is, rather unsurprisingly, probably the single worst unit in birthright as well
Felix's frustration comes from the fact he hates the romantization of chivalry. The children of Faerghus are taught that dying in battle is cool. That risking your life for a bunch of rich people is a noble path. Felix calls bs on that, and I'm 100% with him. Yeah he's a total jerk to everyone, but I love him so much. I just can't bring myself to hate the guy. I love him, he's great.
@@Spore9996 yeah ashe is cool, but they absolutely do him dirty in the story, outside of supports, his only contribution to the story or dialogues, was basically "lord lonato" this or that, i wish they'd shown a little bit more of his character in the story than just that
@@hahmann It’s.... its a joke, it is literally a meme format I stole from Reddit This meme format has been used in the FE community for a while now lol
Honestly i like Azama a lot on the bases of him being an absolute asshole Really refreshing from the usual healers that are just all kindnes and care for others
I loved Azama for a number of reasons. 1. War is messy, and you’re sometimes forced to make uneasy alliances. I thought Azama really portrayed that kind of culture shock well, just as well if not better than most Nohr/Hoshido supports. 2. His carefree nature was refreshing in a game with so many characters concerned about trivial matters. It made him oddly jovial and fun. 3. It’s important to never surround yourself with “yes-men”. Criticism and judgement, especially in times where failure is not an option, is not a flaw. Honest feedback is important for any kind of growth and improvement. Azama’s a bubble burster, and I think that’s a positive trait, one that can’t be easily sugar coated.
@@evanquintana4778 there is a difference between "honest criticism" and "being a jerk". even if he had good intentions in mind, he is so unpleasant about it that others tend to brush off what he said. you can be blunt about your opinion and still be friendly
@@Underworlder5 I agree. Azama can be a jerk sometimes, I don't think anyone's denying that. But that doesn't mean his blunt opinion doesn't have value and merit, and doesn't unfairly contribute to his perception. I like to consider myself a very polite, and patient person, but I have friends who are very much not that. It's important not to dismiss someone entirely for their flaws. Assholes can be fun to hang with too. The world has all types. I totally understand why people would be put off by Azama's behavior though. I just find him a very welcome individual... in moderation.
Also, Azama is hilarious. Standout moments include: His introduction in Birthright where Setsuna is sinking into quicksand and instead of helping he assures her that she will live on in their memories. “Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us. Just kidding! Life is meaningless.” “It is not your time to die, Corrin! Not for another 72 years and 19 days...”
Even though Felix is insensitive to others feelings sometimes. He was one of the few characters who Has the Balls to Stand up to [ Redacted ] During his edgy phase.
Yeah but that doesn't do jack shit. Redacted doesn't give a damn. He is too stuck in his own mind to care. If anything, Felix is making him worse by further fueling his self-hatred. To Felix he isn't human (or he refuses to call him one); Redacted doesn't see himself as one either. To Felix he is a killer and beyond help; Redacted feels exactly the same. Felix enables him in a way I feel nobody ever points out. He fuels the monster that is acting and destroying the person that used to be his friend. This is why I don't see him standing up to him as a good thing. Because it is just Felix being Felix. Felix speaks his mind to everyone. Redacted isn't special for it.
@@zarasyed227 Which is absolutely true. Vengeance, or carrying out a dead person's plea is useless. They're dead, honoring their memory only serves the living. I also agree with his knight conversation with Seteh. Knights (and samurai) glorify death in a way that causes unnecessary casualties-and that "nobility" still persists to this day in modern war. (as in, putting foot soldiers into warzone when bombs would suffice to "reduce innocent casualties")
One thing I always liked about the Tellius games is how they actually show a deep spectrum of behavior within the core themes in their world. It's a lot harder to hate Shinon for being an ignorant, antagonistic jerk when you compare him to an actual monster like Izuka, for example. You know both of them are in the wrong, and on similar issues, but it's hard to compare someone who's just an asshole to an actual war criminal who'd give real-life Nazis a run for their money. As another example, there are any number of radicalized Daein map bosses to compare Jill to, and realize that the simple act of opening herself up to the possibility she might be wrong was actually a pretty remarkable thing to do. Comparing Jill to Petrine, as a specific example, shows that even though both of them were radicalized, one of them had the courage to question herself, while the other was a coward to the end, delighting in the misery of others just to deny her own insecurities. And Tellius gives us both sides of the coin: for every comparison that flatters characters like Jill and Shinon, there's also an unflattering one: a Zihark or an Ike to compare them against, so that you also realize that even though they may not have the absolute worst character traits, they've got a long way to go to actually being good people. I really think that the shades of grey Tellius paints are underestimated. It's something I never see Tellius get enough credit for, and just thought it was worth mentioning here.
Tellius also portrays that casual Racism applies on both sides of the spectrum, many of the Laguz at times have been shown to somewhat look down on the Beorc as weaker. It also displays the disparity between different kinds of racism such as Shinon's Racism where he'll say offensive crap but not actually do anything, as compared to the racism of the begnion army where Laguz hunting is treated almost like a sport.
Excellent Analysis! I could never articulate why Tellius was my favorite continent in the FE series ever since I played my first playthrough of POR and RD 14 and 13 years ago respectively but you nailed it
@@avishekbiswas4121 Happy to help! The Tellius games were always my favorite, and yet I never seem to see them getting the credit for worldbuilding I think they deserve.
@@cyrusblackthorn7222 It's funny that if you actually look at a drawn up journey of the routes in Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, PoR travels around the perimeter of the continent, while Radiant Dawn usually focuses on the interior. Also, Shinon may be a racist but I'd also say that he dislikes Soren because he's a branded, and considering he also has a personal grudge against Ike just cause he hates Ike's guts and such make him part of that most hated group. Though to me, it's kinda hard to hate him when you see how much Rolf respects him, especially since Rolf had a sick father and a mother who left. Shinon filled in for that in a way, and Rolf really felt attached to him, and Shinon says this too, "I like watching you, kid, I like seeing you shoot better every day... Then someday I can point at you and tell prople 'that's the best student I ever had.' Which is when Shinon gives Rolf the Silencer, one of the more powerful bows in the game, designed by Shinon to give to Rolf. Also, it's even harder for me to hate Shinon when you consider that he's still the God Archer.
With regards with the Tellius series which I've observed that Western players tend to talk about it in a positive manner abeit overbearingly passionate while the Japanese counterparts were rather quiet about it (either it has to do the game console's lifespan or it didn't sparks their interest at all) that has to do with their respective set of values which is polarizing with one another.
"He's wrong about Dorothea, he's wrong about Dedue, he's wrong about Ingrid, he's *very uncharitable* towards Dimitri, he's wrong about Ashe, he's wrong about Leonie . . ." Don't think I didn't see what you did there.
Someone I've noticed who's been catching a lot of flack recently is Hilda. And honestly, it feels like Launch Ingrid discourse. People absolutely slamming her, calling her racist for her C support with Cyril and complaint about her laziness. It's a shame because like most of the characters in 3H, she's not a bad person for unfounded reasons and it's not like she doesn't develop. But for some reason people just don't have the tolerance or understanding they do with Hilda as they do other characters. Her prejudices are only present in a single C conversation and she's worked through them by the A, but even then so many people seem to forget that the Almyrans are literally functionally Vikings, try to kill her brother and invade Leister for fun constantly, conscript prepubesent child soldiers and just in general completely justify and reinforce the stigma against them. She has one support chain with the only Almyran she's ever seen who isn't trying to murder her closest family member (she doesn't know Claude's Almyran), the fact that she says stuff along the lines of "Wow, you're far better than most Almyrans" is completely fair and honestly a very tame reaction. And in regards to her laziness, crushing expectations and feeling of not wanting to do anything because you feel like you'll disappoint everyone is like, the core of her character and completely justified considering her brother is possibly the strongest man in her country. "Man she's so lazy I hate her" rings so hollow to me after actually reading her supports, yet I see it all too often. It's a typical case of not getting the issue so minimising how bad it is, basically most Hilda detractors I see just say "suck it up" or "who cares she's still horrible" and I'm like man, where's that energy with literally anybody else in the roster? Probably because other character struggle with either trauma, clear mental illness, class issues or grief, which is far easier to understand and more relatable. People who don't have imposter syndrome probably aren't gonna take it seriously, to them it's "just an excuse to be lazy" because instead of hearing voices or breaking down crying, she procrastinates and overrelies on others due to not having faith in herself. It's a real shame her honestly great character flies under the radar so often because she's got a nice rack and rough exterior. No idea why I wrote all this out, just kinda wanted to put why I like Hilda to writing and considering how often she's disliked a vid about hated FE characters seemed the right place.
What alot of people don't understand is that racism is generally *irrational* feelings. As far as Ingrid is aware, the people of Duscur killed her fiance, and Almyrans actively attempt to invade Hilda's territory on at least a weekly basis. These are entirely rational and justifiable reasons for their disdainful attitude.
@@thrasher698 and we all know its wrong to put their frustrations on Dedue or Cyril, but its understandable why they felt that way. Still, well for Ingrid, she did redeem herself in B-A supports with Dedue, but I guess people only remember that C support huh?
@@mythoughtsexactly2145 I do actually wish Ingrid's racism was shown more, because it really feels like a footnote in her character. It comes up when she talks to Dedue and that's about it, as well as being resolved in her supports with Dedue.
She's popular enough to be disliked by some folks here & there. You can't expect Hilda to be liked by everyone - critique that she faces are also reasons for her appeal. It's a "healthy" ratio imo, and hey, just because I find her rather boring, doesn't mean that you should lower your enjoyment towards her.
@@qtpie1144 honestly idk, i think he just relaxes for a second, but i think as you see more Felix supports, you get to understand why he's the way he is
@@redlikeroses3705 In her C support with Cyril. "Sometimes I forget you're Almayran. I always thought they were a rough and unreliable sort of people. Though you're not really like the rest of them. You seem normal for the most part" It makes sense seeing as her brother and house have been dealing with their invasions but still an unfair judgement that Cyril calls her out for. I'm not quoting this to say Hilda bad though. It's a part of an arc and focus in VW itself but yeah it's there.
Cleraly not as bad as Ingrid tho. I mean I think in Hilda's case making assumptions really is natural with the environment she lives in but she clearly sets a barrier between some of these assumptions and how she treats others from this country. It's mostly because she doesn't really know. I mean she is also kind of Claude's best friend and sure she might not have known from where he comes from but I don't think she was dumb enough to not realize he's an outlander ora part of his family is considering his skin color.
Yesterday I was just mindlessly scrolling through the details of each character and then I saw that under Ingrids details there was written "doesn't like : People of Duscur" I was laughing so hard omg
Imagine a Support between Felix and Hubert. Hubert could have his own World of Cardboard speech, in which he always has to hold himself back with his snark, to not break something, to break someone, but here they have the rare opportunity for him to go all out and show how hurtful he really can be.
Felix secretly cares for his friends, this is show during some supports and at the monastery, when Dimitri dies in Golden Deer Route he questions himself, wondering if hr could have been the one to save him. He's surprisingly nice to Annette, hell he might be in love with her during his supports with her, he also shows to care for Sylvain his older brother, Felix is more of a douchey version of a tsundere, at least he's actually good compared to the other two.
I would argue that Felix cares about everyone, as a core tenant of his beliefs is the importance of all lives. That's why he despises chivalry, as it makes it easy for people to throw away something so important, their own lives.
And he's the only character who cannot have a happy ending without Dimitri. Even Dedue gets to live and possibly find peace in the end without Dimitri in VW and SS. Felix is the only person who always dies miserably without his -husband- friend Dimitri
If you look at how Felix is the reason he doesn't hold really any hate or rather annoyance toward is because she doesn't bother him. Look at what happens with most other people in support chains. They believe in chivalry/knighthood, they bother him when he is training, they risk their lives for him, or they just don't leave him alone when he wants to be alone l. Annette doesn't do any of that. He approached her and complimented her about her singing and dancing as well he has a thing for girls who can sing. Even when she did approach him he wasn't bothered by her as she wasn't interrupting him training or him wanting to be alone.
You are purposely cherry-picking and coloring information to make Felix look worse. He doesn’t *think* Dimitri is a monster, he watched Dimitri be a monster by enjoying slaughtering people, a fact Dimitri doesn’t dispute. Felix is right about Dimitri until later in the story, but even still he doesn’t truly give up on Dimitri. He was right about Dedue too. Dedue admits he’d senselessly massacre children and his comrades if ordered. Felix is the only person who realizes how messed up Dimitri is and how has and could lead to so many deaths. I’d hate Dimitri and Dedue if I was him. He’s pissed everyone treats it like it’s normal. He’s afraid everyone he cares about will kill innocent people. For vengeance, for their people, for the knightly concepts of loyalty and chivalry. Felix only seems like the asshole because Dimitri never goes as dark as he very reasonably could have in these timelines. Felix hates death. So he trains harder than anyone else (except maybe Leonie) to prevent it, and if Dimitri had gone down darker paths, he’d have to kill him. The strongest human on the planet and one of his best friends. TL:DR Felix witnessed a mass murder as a 15 year old, has to be around the mass murderer all the time, is reasonably in a bad mood about it. Is a dick to Dorothea though
@@TheRollingStone11 Problem with Felix is his extreme judgemental one sided views on everything & everyone he disagrees with, whether it is Glenn, Dimitri, his father, Ingrid.. the list goes on.
It's more so his opinion rather than popularity as he hates quite liked characters which explains all the Felix comments I see. More than half. Azama I'm nuetral on as I don't really care either way even if he is a bad dad or retainer to hinoka. Niles is worse and his background doesn't excuse him for trying to mess with people like azama. Guess Henry will be on the third list
@@reithefaux3048 I never liked him but he was funny as setsuna is hilarious with how she acts but these two are horrible retainer to hinoka and she needs to watch them which adds to it. I'm sure he will being up tharja eventually but I'll skip it as it's gonna be an annoying mess if I hear "torture" Daughter which proves it. Hope it's Henry but I don't hate as he calls out the ylliseans for killing his friends in the army and actually making the ealry bosses fleshed out. Since on saizo if he brings up takumi as saizou caused takumis problems and nobody aside me calls it out.
Yeah Setsuna was funny kinda but they got stale very quickly for the people that did like them both. When I saw the thumbnail I actually didn't plan on watching it tbh, knowing a lot about the 3 characters, I didn't really have an interest rehearing about them. I just didn't really have anything else to do so I decided to kill a bit of time. Actually I haven't even watched the first one, only seeing Makalov cuz I knew pretty much all what was going to be said.
@@reithefaux3048 that's pretty much me. The videos are just his opinion more so taking the character whether I agree or not and expanding on the bad. I mean for example saying one guy is a racist yet no liking the fate cast when oboro who has a reason for this but is actually smart enough to not hurt her army members who are norh shows his biased views. For me Erika and Celica are so bad in how they let thier armies almost die or trust such untrustworthy people just "because" and no other reason than that. For hate I'll say saizo. He is so bad and a jerk especially in the drama cd but nobody calls him out but I will every single time I have a chance. Echoes that idiot fernard I think his name is the guy who left for berkut i felt nothing for. He is a jerk and deserved to die a jealous loser while berkut was amazing and I wish we could have kept him in our team like Originally planned. Also don't know why people hate Faye just because she is the one sided crush girl while Cordelia in awakening is loved more than sumia who is not a character but just a prop if chrom isn't around with her little supports and frankly Cordelia is better
Felix is definitely an asshole, but I will say that most of the time his evaluations of others aren't actually wrong. Or at least not totally wrong. In addition to his initial evaluations, he does discover that there is more to them than what he initially observes. Dorothea's reason for being at Garreg Mach was to find a suitable husband, and when Felix assumes that she's is interested in him because he's the heir to house Fraldarius, Dorothea words her way around it, but never totally denies it. He later realizes that she's more aware of the realities of the world than he thought, and while he seems to be pretty oblivious to girls' feelings, hopefully he also figures out that while she is looking for a wealthy husband, she also wants someone sincere who sees her for who she is. His deduction that Dedue is blindly obedient to Dimitri isn't totally wrong either. Dedue would follow nearly any order issued to him by Dimitri unquestioningly. However Felix realizes later on that part of his reason for doing so is to help Dimitri achieve his goals no matter the personal sacrifice Dedue must make. Felix's statements towards Ingrid come more out of concern for her life. He knows what has happened to knights who valued chivalry and pride over everything else, and he sees Ingrid following that path as well. He doesn't want her to follow a path that will get herself killed. He calls her out for romanticizing blind obedience, which Ingrid doesn't deny, and she later decides that she should follow her own beliefs rather than blind loyalty to a superior. With Ashe, his evaluations of tales of chivalry aren't wrong either. Tales of chivalry romanticize and glorify war and often, if not always, leave out its true horrors. Because of these tales of chivalry, Ashe's perspective on the world was very idealistic, making him naive to the underlying darknesses in other people. Felix's point isn't to say that Ashe should give up on tales of chivalry entirely, only that he shouldn't draw so heavily on them when looking at the world. The one example I will agree with is his assumption about Leonie. He flat out underestimated her, and it cost him. It served as a humbling moment for him, and gave him an opportunity to reflect on some of his weaknesses. His remark that she's "impressive for a girl," is more just his back handed way of giving compliments, and they banter back and forth. I'd say that through his support with Leonie, Felix found his ideal training partner. Like it is stated in the video, Felix's evaluations of others aren't 100% correct, however it should be noted that most of the time they aren't flat out wrong either.
and then there’s his supports with Annette. Annette is so pure that Felix, the character known for harshly criticizing others, cannot find a single thing about Annette to criticize, and I think he's legitimately in love with her *by C support.* I actually think that he sort of relates with her on a personal level, since Rodrigue is notably distant from Felix, and Annette's father blatantly abandoned his family (screw Gilbert).
I think the issue with Felix is, that his observations are mostly right and that his logical development would be not to give them up but to understand that the way he expresses them is not productive and only hurts people, instead of helping them. Though I think there is the more underlying problem, that Felix is right but the route he is in by default works counter to his positions. He is a character with Crimson Flower morals and attitudes who defaults to Azure Moon, a Route that believes in all of these things like chivalry, crests and tradition.
I actually love Felix, but I definitely agree with your assessment of him. He’s definitely a jerk, but it’s not like it’s without reason. I think what liked most about him is his character development in his supports. While he may start out obstinate and aggressive (borderline verbal abuse) he’s able to change his view. At least a little. Even tho he hated Dimitri for a time, in their S support, he was extremely loyal and close to him. He even mourned Dimitri’s death more so than the queen. It’s the same with Sylvain. They were very close in their A and S support. I made the huge mistake of recruiting him during my Crimson Flower run ‘cause watching him slowly break down was kinda hard to see. Especially since he was my best unit, so he took out his dad, Sylvain, and Dimitri. I felt so bad. Yeh, but I’m not saying he doesn’t belong on this list lol. I’m just rambling.
@@floricel_112 I was talking about the little end cards at the end of the game. Y'know the things that tell you what happens to everyone after the events of the game. It's basically a S-support.
I think one thing you kind of missed in the Felix support is how much he views, and is made to view, himself as an outsider. A lot of his problems I think stemmed from the fact that not only he never healthily dealt with his Glenn's death, but the way that others dealt with Glenn's death and the tragedy in general made them feel cold to him. Without anyone non-patriotic to comfort him all he was surrounded with after his death was all that chivalry stuff and him seeing Dmitri get socially rewarded for coping (ie masking his feelings) while he could see he was suffering the same as himself really would of just made him feel that people weren't respecting his feelings which he turned into bitterness. Even M'Dmitri post war phase would annoy him with the amount of outward concern he got for his character change when Felix probably interpenetrated he get none when he lashes out. He is just a perfect storm of emotions that means he is kind of justified not letting people in while all the while not letting people in is preventing him from moving on in life which makes it really sweet when you get glimpses of it showing through his A supports. Probably one of my favourite characters in the game, and I agree with most stuff you talked about him, and he is just a really fleshed out edgeman that fits in with the world really well.
At the risk of sounding edgy I think Felix's criticism of knights tales is incredibly valid. In context of the game these stories do lead to impressionable children fantasizing about going off to fight in war and becoming soldiers. A similar criticism could be made of real life military films which are often just propaganda to get people to join the military.
I find it odd to call a character like Felix edgy in the first place, sure on a surface level he has that "edgy anime swordsman" kind of feel, but his character is literally defined by feeling that people's lives are of upmost importance, I feel that in order for a character to be edgy, they should have to have a flaggrant disregard of lives, just the opposite of Felix's views.
The issue with Felix isn't that he is wrong but that he expresses his observations in an unoproductive way. There is also the structural issue that he is by default member of a route that operates against his personal values. Azure Moon believes in all these ideals he despises.
I love Azama so much, ever since I first played Birthright he's been my favorite hoshido character. Not only is he a troll in the game's story, but he's also a troll to the player, being a really strong physical fighter that is classed a freaking monk.
is he really that much of a troll when playable? i always saw him as a crutch healer (say, for beginners who forget to keep their healers out of danger), and one of his promotion options is a physical class he excels at
I'd be very curious to see an analysis of Sylvain. Normally he's the go-to character to hate when it comes to the Blue Lions because of his surface level antics, so it's interesting to me to see someone else get talked about in this way.
To be fair to Felix, media is easy to use to control the thoughts and actions of the people; we need only look at the last few years for this to be obvious. Also, there's a very good reason why even Lu Bu calls Azama the "Troll Path"...
When Felix tells Ingrid to go find a husband, I believe that's out of context. Ingrid says that knights must be obedient to their kings, so Felix means to say "If you like obedience so much, then you might as well go find a husband."
Are we going to overlook the fact that Azama’s supports normally end well? In the beginning of most of his supports due to his rep he’s already give a persona that people think of him. But at the end of the support there’s always something good that happens. And please let’s not forget that he little foreshadows Azura secret about her pendant literally killing her?
In Shinon's case: Of course he's going to hate Laguz who act respectful and polite, it goes against his views of them and proves him wrong. When confronted with the truth, it's a common reaction for people who believed the lie to double down on the lie. This applies to all forms of ignorance and prejudice, read any political social media ever.
12:25 is he though? Dorothea generally is seen trying to marry into nobility, as much as I love him Dedue IS nothing but a blind loyal dog when it comes to Dimitri, and Ingrid was trying to follow in Glen's footstep, a path which ended up in death, something which he doesn't want to happen to her; he's seen first hand the brutal, vicious, savage and sadistic side of Dimitri when they were quelling a rebellion and that sight must have horrified Felix (and heck, Dimitri essentially BECAME what Felix said about him for most of Azure Moon) As for his worldview regarding chivalry and self sacrifice in general....I get it. Look at this from his perspective: his older brother, who he loved and admired greatly, died in a massacre that left only Dimitri alive. So obviously he must be grieving, he's vulnerable, mourning his brother's death and he's in need of comfort And what does his father do to comfort him? He tells his son to be proud of Glen because "he died like a true knight". His older brother is gone and he can never come back, and his own father tries to make a beautiful thing out of it, something to be praised and admired (Heck, Dimitri himself says there was no beautiful death to be found that day, it was purely a massacre, with Glen's face contorted with pain). Those words did little to comfort him. In fact, they had the exact opposite effect. So because of this, Felix not only begins to hate his father, but also chivalry in general. He sees it as people needlessly sacrificing themselves when they should be placing their own lives first, and the romanticization of that idea sickens him even more because he feels like it's trying to make out of death a beautiful thing, something to be admired and an example to follow, just like his father. He just wants people to live, and that if there's a reason to fight, it should be to live. His opinion on chivalry is purely subjective, based on his own personal feelings, but he does have some valid points regarding of ugly side of it: regular people HAVE a romanticized idea about what it means to be a knight because of books and such, and those same people may decide to follow that path without truly knowing what it entails. People THINK dying for your country is romantic and such, but who knows how many of those people would still feel the same when faced with death. And heck, knighthood is not all protecting the innocents and the weak; sometimes your lord orders you to quell a peasants rebellion that are only revolting because of the lord's mistreatment. Knighthood can instill good values like devotion and protecting the weak, but it also promotes more nasty stuff like dying for "king and country"
Felix is "right," but he's also straight-up abusive towards everyone around him, which is why he turns into a bloodthirsty death seeker outside of AM and character development ensues in it. I'm sick and tired of these "Felix is just sooooo right" takes that totally ignore the mental damage he does to almost everyone around him until he matures.
@@toriwork8891 I think "bloodthirsty death seeker" only applies to Felix in Crimson Flower, cause why would that happen in any of the other routes: he isn't forced to betray his morals, the doesn't have to kill any of his friends or his father, and he's still fighting against the Empire alongside the force that has the best chance at defeating it, and after the war he becomes a Navarre type of character. Sure, he's bummed out for a while with how Dimitri died, wondering if he could have done something to save him, but other than that there really isn't much for him to turn into a self deprecating man that seeks death on the battlefield like in Crimson Flower, where he absolutely loathes himself for what he has become: a traitor to his own country, committer of patricide, killer of his friends, a hypocrite no different than he boar he was chastizing all those years ago; but he keeps moving forward nonetheless
@@floricel_112 I agree VW/SS Felix has an easier time than CF!Felix. I was more referring to his non-AM endings more than his monastery dialogue, which in the default includes a line about him becoming a mercenary and killing like he sought death sans a few exceptions like that wtf ending where he and Leonie fail at business and becomes clowns, which has to be among the most "didn't see that coming" FE paired endings ever.
@@floricel_112 "And heck, knighthood is not all protecting the innocents and the weak; sometimes your lord orders you to quell a peasants rebellion that are only revolting because of the lord's mistreatment." that line reminded me of heath from blazing blade. he was kicked out of berns military because of an incident that revolved around something like that. he was tasked to suppress a rebellion, but once his unit got there, he found out it was just a bunch of peasants in a bad excuse of an "uprising" stirred by a military general who wanted to boost his career. heath refused to participate in such a slaughter, and was branded a traitor for it. i wonder what felix would have to say about that
I love Shinon as a character. He's a somewhat lovable asshole, yet you somewhat care for the guy and his struggles. Yes, his racism is bad, and that makes him so interesting! The more I think about the Tellius arc, the more I think it's the best FE games. I know that it's practically a meme to love Tellius, but man, the games are incredible.
The way PoR handles him is great, when you encounter him in that Daein outpost and can only recruit him by beating him with Ike after talking to him with Rolf. Its so unusually convoluted but they wrote it so well.
@@Zastralord Yep, and I would also add the way they introduce him the very first time: he saves Rolf with a master stroke. It gives you an idea of the character in such a cool and memorable way. He's also very original: in past Fire Emblems your army is usually composed only by good guys + an edgy swordmaster, although they could have developed his backstory much better.
@@rennilena4378 A lot of unlikeable qualities can be interesting if written correctly, and Shinon's racism is written in a very good way to make it frustrating, and engaging.
I think it's worth mentioning that the Shinon base convo also features him getting hung up over Greil's death. That ire towards Ike could also be fueled by living in the shadow of the one dude he respected and is still grieving over. IIRC, there's also an RD base convo where he raises some money by selling bows for the mercs. Ike finds out and him and Aimee ponder over the weirdly kind action. Then of course there's Rolf who is trained and even given a prf weapon by the dude. Stuff like this is what makes Shinon a great character in my eyes. He's a scumbag but has enough vulnerabilities and bonds to feel like a believable person.
Funny story: Ever since playing 3H, I give Felix's voice to any character with a chip on their shoulder if the game doesn't have dialogue. This was especially the case in Tellius. I heard Shinon talk like him, and Soren talk like him... but not Naesala.
I love how Felix acts on crimson flower. Bonus points for having him kill all of his friends so the moral ambiguity of his actions destroys his image of himself.
@@starkillahx I wouldn't call her a spawn of satan but Yup she is still very much power hungry. It's made quite clear that Edelguard main goal was the conquest of Fodlan and forcing her ideology through froce. It's pretty funny that even a year later peopel still havent seen Edelguard ture character and simple belive the lies she tells Byleth. Insted of looking at her actions across all 4 routes and seeing what she truly desires.
@@4wheal To be power hungry she needs to actually desire and lust for power though. For Edelgard, power is simply a means to an end, not the goal in itself.
Would love to see you dig into Sylvain as a character, he is introduced as shallow and unlikeable but has a lot of depth and he not-so-secretly is self deprecating and fights to a point it’s considered suicidal (Felix A+ Support) where he does not care if he gets hurt.
I liked the way these three characters were grouped together. They're all jerks who I definitely wouldn't want to be friends with, but they're entertaining to read, well-written and well-developed, and not flat-out irredeemable. FE can get a bit boring because most recruitable units are so righteous and good, so watching a few characters sow the seeds of chaos provides some much-needed variety.
Agreed. I find the characters much stronger in Three Houses. And reading these comments, I'm finding it a little weird that there's all these arguments happening that seem founded on the assumption that an unlikeable person is a bad character. Often, it's the characters with issues that are the most interesting.
Fun fact, during the paralogue where you save Azama’s daughter Mitama, Azama does not give a damn that she’s moments away from death because “death comes to everyone someday”. By that logic he should be more willing to risk life and limb for her since “death comes to everyone someday” but he can be very self serving often times
@@Logans_Login fates conquest has fun maps the revaltion is underrated birthright sucks, also I was talking about how pepole are only talking about felix, I can understand it for radiant dawn
One of the few things I actually really like about Birthright (even though I definitely prefer conquest) is how it uses the stigma of being the "good option" in its favor with its characters. I mean, among these people are: Azama: If internet trolls existed in ancient Japan Saizo: Sexy grinch Oboro: Xenophobic (though for justified reasons and is willing to grow) Takumi: A pineapple that has had one too many red bulls Rinkah: C supports pretty much amount to "fuck off" And all of them I at least like with some being favs (Azama, Rinkah and Saizo). Oh, and good vid mate.
14:15 I heavily disagree with your assertion that this was a "rhetorical question" and that Felix "already knew the answer". Felix seems to have been deeply disturbed back in the rebellion when his childhood friend first started showing his bloodthirsty tendencies, and ever since he appears to have been deeply confusedabout what happened to make him that way. I think Felix was never able o reconcile the friend he knew in his childhood with the man he sees on the battlefield.
Love shinon and that fact that he doesn't change. Makes him more realistic and grounded when he doesn't have some forced overhaul of his base personality. He's the perfect opposite of jill and having both is a good thing. You can be a jill and learn and grow or a shinon who merely adapts but doesn't change. Also makes sense given that jill is still young and shinon is already set in his ways. It's just like real life and having a racist still be one of the "good" guys was bold of the writers and I'll give them props for it. It's a delicate balance but I think they did well with him
I mean, "good" is pretty relative, I suspect very few people manage to recruit him on their first playthrough. Even if someone is using Rolf, there's no reason to move adjacent to him. Most people's parting memory of Shinon are going to be maybe him refusing to rejoin through Ike or Gatrie, and then killing him.
Dang I love Azama, I didn't know people disliked him, I thought having characters who are a-holes as Azama was always fun, cause I like having characters like that, cause in reality a-holes exist so it's interesting seeing how characters can have more personality than just goody two shoes.
Well, the most hated characters can also be the most liked. The in-universe and out-of-universe opinions of a character may not line up. Also, entertaining villain > boring hero.
I feel like most people know a Felix in real life, and the people that don't unironically like him despite the other majority cringing every time that Felix-like person is present at a party
I don't think that liking someone as a character in a story is the same as liking them as a person that you actually interact with. They could be a good villain. They could be a dynamic and sympathetic character despite being a jerk. Characters without flaws can be bland.
@@Nosretep interesting how much patience the hoshidan royal family has for such a subordinate. in real life feudal japan, he would have been executed on the spot
I can't speak for the other two, but Felix has a right to be angry, seeing as he lost his brother, and then had to sit there hearing from his father and everyone else how "great a death" Glenn had. One can imagine that he couldn't ever discuss that topic with his father, because his father is um... who he is. Chivalrous. He really has no reason to be nice or open up to others, save for Slyvain, who occasionally flusters Felix for reminding him of the person he used to be. Someone weak who would run up to Slyvain "crying" and who looked up to Slyvain as a big brother. Felix, I think, is in such a dark place in his mind that he really tries to convince himself that the optimistic and justice-loving masses are weaker than himself, because they glorify death; and tries at every chance he has to dehumanize himself, as he feels it's disrespecting the memory of his brother.
Really hit the nail on the head with Felix imo, I personally love how often he's proven wrong about things and perhaps more importantly that he DOES have something of value to say in a good few of his supports where afterwards I really thought about the things he said and how I feel about that philosophy. It makes him so much more than just an edgy abrasive sword lad who's just rude because that's his gimmick
@@gachalibra9243 no I don't think it will. Like, she acts all evil because she has an aesthetic to keep up, but outside of using Noire as guinea pig for very minor curses, she doesn't actually do anything particularly evil, and actually generally helps out all the others. Henry genuinely offered to kill Chrom's wife in his C-support with Cordelia. Henry is willing to take up any opportunity he has to kill and joined Chrom's army because he was able to get away with a lot of justified killing in his army. On top of that, if you remember his support with Robin, he was gonna revive Risen and unleash them on the enemy entirely uncontrolled, unbothered that innocents would die, and Robin had to spell out to Henry why that was not okay.
Felix is a character that says a lot of accurate things, but is terrible at delivering them in an empathetic and constructive way - ultimately leading to hum antagonizing the people he cares about and causing him to distance further. Boy/man needs some support to work through his issues and find a way of interacting with others that lets him express his concerns in a way that is seen as heartfelt instead of hateful.
A lot of support conversations in the series are written as the two characters antagonizing each other and then coming to a compromise. Having prickly characters kind of just makes it easier to write these, I imagine. I think in Shinon's case, he's a guy who is skeptical of any human contact and will come up with any excuse to not interact with people. His racism seems like it isn't so much about "beorc>laguz" as it is "this is a convenient excuse to not interact with a big chunk of people on the continent." Felix is actually usually trying to help people when he antagonizes them, because he has genuine feelings about things that don't matter and things that do matter. He vastly underrates the worth of loyalty, but his existence actually seems to have a positive impact overall, helping people to remember the value of things not of a social nature but of a human one. Azama is a "people explorer." He's an asshole to try to gauge reactions from people. He's like Bugs Bunny, or that guy who made phone videos of himself roasting random people in public. He takes insult with the veneer of politeness that people hold and wants to get under it and experience "the real you" without earning your trust. I would have big personal issues with someone like Azama to the point where I'd have to confront them at some point.
I agree with Azama and Shinon. Felix? Not so much. That dude just lost his brother, which he loved more than anything, but instead of support from his father he gets a glorification of his death. And he didnt hate Dimitri for surviving the massacre, but for lying and pretending to be someone he's not. He just saw his best friend slaughter soldiers during the rebellion with a smile on his face and the next time he saw he acted as he didnt just went super phsycho? I wouldn't trust him either. I agree that he goes to far with Dimitri (verbal abuse us not cool) but remember, he's traumatized. Not continuing towards his, apparently false, accusations. 1) He's not actually wrong about Dorothea, that girl practically screams about her search for a rich noble to support her. And did she outright deny the claim that she was interested in him, in the beginning? And she is totally not word wise. She knows a lot, growing up in the streets will teach you something, but she is also horrible naive about how nobility works ( Ferdinand support) and just assumes they all are the same. 2) Dedue confessed that he would kill innocent people and CHILDREN on Dimitris Command, no questions asked. That sounds like a "royal rabid dog" to me. Yes he has more depths to his loyalty. But in the core of the matter I would not call him wrong. 3) Ingrid, oh Ingrid. She is the literall humanization of what he hates the most, ultimate loyalty and chivalry. And even though he shows some really unpleasant traits ( sexism is not cool) he too is right to some degree. Later Ingrid confesses that she couldn't not blindly follow orders, a fault which will kill her on the path she is set to go. And she too comes to the conclusion that she should fight for her own beliefs instead of trying to copy them. 4) Ashe, the media has power, even in the middle ages. The true horrors of war are glossed over, blinding many young people, which leads to them throwing their life away. And yes Felix did not have to bitch at Ashe so hard ( its still just a book) the core of the matters correct: don't underestimate the horrors of war. Leonie is just a fault of Felix, can't defend him there. Still I don't agree with how wrong he was made out in the video, just my opinion though.
Felix actually loves his friends and would protect them to the death. The only thing is, he has a hard time expressing it. He may not be a knight, but in Ingrid’s and Ashe’s supports, it is proven that he sure acts like one.
I always feel like he keep training so vigorously is because he wants to protect them in the battlefield. The way he talks are sure harsh but you know what I mean as we can see it. In the end of my BL route, somehow he's my #1 character I personally love. Then, Dimitri and Sylvain.
I might get a little flack for this, but Azama, while absolutely an asshole, has one unintentionally redeeming thing about him. When he's criticizing the others within the Fates cast, he's often times correct. Yes, he is a bully. Yes, his criticisms are usually unwarranted with rare exception. But he is right, even if he is a jerk about it. But he's only right about this because of the world he's been placed into the characters he's criticizing. Put that same character into a better written cast, and he's just some jerk who gets his kicks from bringing down others.
Yeah. Azama is a bully, and a huge pain to find an S-support for. So it was with a certain level of smug satisfaction that I paired him with Setsuna in my first playthrough of Birthright, for what I saw as her unintentionally putting him in his place. I also did something similar with Felix where I made him my Dancer in my first Blue Lions playthrough despite his begging to not be selected. I was also completely floored when he and Dimitri shared a paired ending. Like, he went from "boar" to missing him even more than the queen. D'aaawwwww!
I kinda hated Azama because I kept showing up in Heroes. But now that I know about how he is, I actually have respect for him not caring about what others think.
Shinon is my favourite PoR character because of how much he does for the game and story: - He's a sobering reality check that racism in Tellius runs deep and that it's unrealistic to expect all allies to be egalitarians - His defection makes Chapter 8 hit incredibly hard, both because you lost a very powerful 2-range unit just before a desperate defence chapter and showing Ike that he still has a long road ahead before he can follow in Greil's footsteps - His rerecruitment is both memorable for how complicated it is and how it simultaneously captures both his enmity toward Ike and compassionate relationship with Rolf
I think Felix hating Dimitri is out of fear than hate. He knows how insane Dimitri can be, and since he witnessed that insanity when he was young that could result in trauma. And even before time skip, he knows the 'boar' side still resides in Dimitri. So he keeps his distance to him because to Felix, Dimitri is a ticking time bomb that's ready to go off at any moment. So in conclusion, I think Felix still thinks of Dimitri as a friend, but is cautious and resentful because he thinks Dimitri is a wolf pretending to be a lamb.
Loving this series, sometimes the asshole characters are a refreshment from so many just purely good characters. It’s nice to have some kind of gray area
While Felix does go too far at times with his insults and evaluations i for some Odd reason actually agree with him on the whole "Glorification of death", Why do we do this? "They died a good death", i get that it's to give purpose to the deceased but i just cant wrest the feeling that it's ironically just Disrespectful towards them, The dead are dead, they don't come back and instead of Mourning we Praise them for their death??? that's just sickening to me...
Azama is my favorite Fates character, but this disturb me because everyone says he's an asshole. I think not, maybe because I'm French and the french version of the game madr him less unbearable. Azama have, according to me, the most fun and memorable support conversations. He's like the monk version of the Dude from the Big Lebowski, but capable of roasting everyone at any moment.
17:45 honestly, Azama had me laughing. His name is literally one letter removed from Hazama in Blazblue, and so I'd read all his lines in my head in the same tone and inflection that Erik Davies did for Hazama, and it just... made him so damn funny to me. It turned him from an just an unapologetic asshole, into a snarky, sarcastic asshole. If you read half the opening lines to his B-supports with a smirk and a sarcastic tone, it just makes the insincere apologies so much funnier I find.
i like felix a lot, he’s probably one of my favourites in the entire cast. he’s abrasive and rude on the surface but it generally stems from a place of care when he’s talking to his friends. he was a child who cried a lot and was never afraid to show his feelings, but after the tragedy of duscur and losing his brother whom he loved more than anything, witnessed atrocities and became disillusioned with the concept of knighthood and chivalry - the very ideals he looked up to all his life - he transformed into someone who tended to bottle his feelings up behind a veneer of cold apathy. rather than being the lone wolf cliche, his past puts his words and actions into context, and i enjoy seeing him grow and warm up to others in his support conversations.
I mean he doesn't he just says sigurds final words to seliph with out bite. Seteth doesn't really do anything like that. He's an observer/therapist giving options and questions.
Felix is definitely not a most hated in the community, if anything he's a fan favorite...? Sure he's edgy and often rude, but he always has a point, and gives respect where it's due. And he's one of the best combat units of the game. Pretty sure Lorenz is 3H's most hated.
The amusing thing about Felix is that I find that he's actually almost always right and even when he's wrong, there's still a hint of truth in it. Great examples of this are his underlying knowledge of Dimitri, his gut feeling concerning Catherine hiding her past, or his instinct in Jeritza being the Death Knight culprit. He has become my favorite 3 Houses character quite quickly.
I always had the feeling that Felix isn't a bad character, just REALLY infuriating sometimes! It's understandable that he might resent the thoughts of knighthood, as he sees it as the pointless "faith" that killed someone close to him, and i can fully understand how he has come to project those feelings on others... He keeps people at arms length, afraid to let anyone get close, as he is obviously TERRIFIED of losing someone again, and he never allows himself to admit how close he feels to someone, as he not only already lost someone, but loses his dad too for what seems like the same reason, affirming his beliefs in his own eyes. I think what Felix resents the most isn't the idea of sacrificing yourself for someone else or your beliefs, as he has no problems with stepping in to save someone else, but more that he hates it when someone does it without thinking of the loved ones they leave behind, and how they put everything on them to deal with the fallout because they "stuck to their belief". What makes Felix infuriating to me is that he doesn't seem to understand that the thing he hates the most, is something he does without even noticing it! In a few of his supports he puts himself in mortal danger to save someone else, relying on his skills to not actually be in danger when he does it, but completely overlooks that if he slipped up or got caught by surprise, he would have died for the same reason he hates the thought of knighthood... He is basicly a walking contradiction, dismissing ideas and ideals, that he actually lives by without realizing it!
...I found Azama incredibly likable and he was my second favourite character in Fates aside from Forrest. Personally I always saw his teasing as more akin to the wise monk that humbles other characters trope but I guess other people didn't.
honestly i really thought that in Ashe and Felix's b support, i really thought Felix was mean enough to make Ashe snap and drop the F-bomb. disappointed that didnt happen but can you imagine being irritable enough to make someone like Ashe curse? lol
The only thing that prevents me from throwing Shinon into a deadly mob without any weapon or item is basic human decency. Most of the time, I just use Rolf and forget he exists. Seriously, screw that guy.
I always loved Felix throughout my first playthrough of Azure Moon. I knew he was an asshole, but considering his points on how chivalry leads to romanticizing the dead, and how he was completely alone in finding that repulsive among his Blue Lions peers, plus his struggles with expressing his true emotions with other people, I really identified with him. His sexism with Ingrid bothered me, but I looked past it at the time because I was already so invested in his character. This video offered a new perspective to me about what really makes Felix flawed as a character, and it inspired me to look at him with more scrutiny. People are free to love or hate Felix as they please, but I think this video has taught me that my own feelings are like a mix of the two. He's such a wonderfully, hatefully, complicated character, and your perspective was really valuable. Thank you for that!
I like Felix because he doesn't have time for peoples bullshit even if he's a ass about it. He might be wrong, but he's one of very few in three houses that isn't afraid to call somebody out.
I gotta say, Jakob is kind of an asshole at times too. There were times where I wanted to fire him as my butler because he was just plain rude to the others. As for Felix, I always did like him. I had trouble really understanding why he detested Dimitri until their A support where I realized that he was still really lost and confused as to what happened to his childhood friend. A big part of his character is that the past changed him permanently and unlike Dimitri, he was the realist that acted as a foil to Dimitri with how he was always in his own head and focused on the hate he feels for himself. I always saw him as an effective foil for Dimitri because he went through the Tragedy of Duscur and came out the opposite. Even so, he was still very much hurt over losing his brother and for Dimitri turning into a savage when he suppressed the rebellions in Faerghus. That was what made me realize how important Felix is to Dimitri and to Faerghus overall. But until I got to that A support all I had to tell him was "Leave Dimitri alone! Leave him alone!"
i agree with most of what you said, but i have to make a minor correction. felix was never in the tragedy of duscur. he was certainly affected by it, but he never witnessed it himself. the trauma comes from learning his brother died, and his father glorifying said death. dimitri witnessed the massacre firsthand, and ended up severely mentally damaged because of it. felix is still sane, just bitter
@@Underworlder5 I know. I never said he went through it first hand. Everyone in the Kingdom except probably Mercedes went through the Tragedy's effects. I was just saying that like the others, it impacted him greatly. I could tell from the beginning that the Tragedy of Duscur changed everything since Dimitri used to be the one Felix clung to the most (from their dining dialogue I think). But I do appreciate that you bothered to even read my little comment. And I'm glad you paid attention to the things I said for a game. Sorry I didn't word it better.
@@damonrichardson1999 i see. "he went through the tragedy of duscur" could easily be read as that he experienced it himself. "affected by" would probably be better wording
Felix is character that was personally interesting to me. On the surface level yeah, he is 100% a asshole to everyone and most of his ire being directed to Dimitri and his Father as well. I understand why he is upset. losing glenn someone he really loved and respected. Felix never quite got over Glenn's death and the game reflects this really well in Azure Moon War arc and his later supports where he lightens up bit. Anyways, i guess your saving HER for last. God help us all talking about that irredeemable woman.
All three characters on this list really need a giant, exploding heart to set them straight. That is, if Azama doesn't make Elise snap her staff in half first.
Felix with a Blutgang....inch RESTING!!!! Edit: Felix is my second fave character in 3H. I’ve used him every time cause I like him so much, but he is indeed a bonafide ass (a love-able one imo tho). You made some really good points. I didn’t even think about him having reads that are bit off in his supports, but I guess that’s true. In his defense though, he got a lot right with his monastery dialogue lol, and his supports with Annette, Bernie, and Lysie are sweet bc they all break down his “edgy” shell and he’s just a regular dude who has kind moments with them. I remember him correctly guessing that Jeritza was the Death Knight and being spot on about Dimitri’s unfortunate descent into madness. He’s very self-aware imo. Also, Felix’s & Seteth’s support is one of my favorites in the game. I love the both of them, and I think Seteth delivers his best line there. Seteth gave him solid advice.
I swear someone needs to follow these characters around near constantly and smack them upside the head everytime they misbehave or act rude, or straight up drag them away and out the room by their scruff, when they step out of line, why does no one do this? Felix/Shinnon especially needs a proper mentor figure who can intervene in these moments and teach them to *chill out*, it would also be very funny to witness, would bring comedic value to an otherwise tense moment, breaking the tension.
Virion is more so a coward that ran and frankly not trash level but not anything to respect. Glad I married Cherche off to Fredrick since both are smile scary Lord's help that work perfectly together. But i think it will be Henry. He hates Henry
@@ivanbluecool for Virion I may have just mis-remembered Sully hating him and just forgotten that it may have only possibly have been her that disliked him
@@rdrais3869 oh no many people dislike him. Chrom has trouble with him. Fredrick doesn't want to work for him. Most of the girls he tries to romance sees his as a creep and even cherche who is his assistant doesn't talk well of him either and that's not bringing up libra. Sure he helped his people but he ran so that doesn't say much. Sully has every reason to be annoyed at virion as he flirts a lot and basically makes what inigo does look nice by comparison as inigo is at least shy.
@@ivanbluecool I mean if Virion stayed and fought he would've been slaughtered. Him running away stopped any rebellion which would've ended unsuccesfully and he joined the Shepards as Chrom had the army necessary to vage war. Him running away was the best decision and he ultimately still serves his people despite them hating him.
@@vanjagalovic3621 so he got chrom to have his army slaughtered for this idiot and Cherche his retainer was forced to stay while he in his own words ran away while keeping his identify a secret until right before walhart almost came over by sea to wage war on land which would have killed everyone yeah he is a hero(no he isn't) Virion if he opened his mouth up in those TWO YEARS could have gotten chroms army more ready Instead of last minute asking vaildar who they didn't trust much for money and ships right after being attacked by dark mages which could have gotten more people killed in the home front before the sea battle while not providing anything but a pretty wife for Fredrick in Cherche and Batman. Virion did everything wrong and lucky Cherche didn't leave and she said she was gonna anyways eventually but stayed for the people not for him same as how everyone treats him he deserved it and his ending serving whoever remained is justified for what he could have done better. Virion is the type who breaks a glass bottom and then tries to patch it up thinking you should praise you for it when he should have not broken the bottle in the first place and hides it right until you need it. No virion deserves everything that came to him and I feel for his people and Cherche who had to deal with him and regardless of running walhart took over anyways so he failed at stopping rebellions too as he was lucky Cherche was around at this flirting idiot.
Okay, but what about Hana? At least Felix, Azama and Shinon's unlikable natures were part of their character, but man, all that unwarranted shit Hana shit talked Corrin on made me insta-hate her. She's not getting off my radar
I would not say Dorathea is “much more worldly-wise”. Now was Felix in the wrong with her? Yes he was but she’s not “worldly-wise” as she thinks she knows how the world works and what’s the best for everyone when she obviously doesn’t. Her worldview is based on one group of nobles in one city in one part of one country which is only one power in only one continent in the world. Yet she act like she understands nobility and treats them as if they act this way but she’s proven wrong by Ferdinand since she finds out she misjudged someone. And then she doesn’t understand the importance that comes with marriage to nobility, making alliances, dowery, producing biological heirs that have access to a special abilities and items that are needed to protect the family, their people, and their country. I’m not saying this is a good system I’m saying it’s the system they have developed to survive and it’s how the world works.
Felix is one of those characters that's a huge fan favorite that I personally find absolutely abhorrent. I wish most of the Bernadetta fanart wasn't shipping them my girl deserves better-
And even if Felix denies it - his hate towards Knights and Civalry is due to his grief of loosing his Brother due to this. In his Mind people die unnecessarily, due to them reading up about heroes, and want to be like them. He has a point - even if he's a bit jerky. Also.. might it be that his slight sexism comes from the fact he didn't seem to have a.. motherfigure? Do we learn about his mom?
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You should add Tharja to the list next time, I love Tharja but even I know she a very controversial character that is often then not misunderstood or misinterpreted, and would be a good character to hear you discuss again in this series.
With Shinon while he is racist I feel he also just generally hates and is rude to most people, except for the few that earn his respect. It's just that due to his upbringing this comes out in the form of racism when talking to Laguz and more normal insults when it comes to Beorc. Also, I think part of the reason that cements his hatred for Ike is that he doesn't believe he's a proper replacement for Greil who he greatly respected, if Titania became leader of the Mercs he probably wouldn't have left. All these factors and his pride have cemented his hatred for Ike which will probably never change but despite that he does genuinely care for the Greil Mercs as a whole
I wonder if there'll be a most liked units video (i.e. generally likable characters). Too bad we never got to Fredrick putting Azuma through his retainer training drills (came up in FE Warriors in a support between Honoka and Fredrick)
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Some other characters that come to mind are Hubert since he is rude to his allies and some of his actions are evil. There is also Soren because in Path of Radiance, he can act very cold and cruel.
I don't know who put more effort into making Azama dislikable: whoever wrote his supports or whoever gave him Hexing Rod, Counter and Miracle on the Conquest route.
You sure they aren’t the same guy?
@@AzureGreatheart frqankly with how inept Fates writing is I wouldn’t be surprised if the map designers wrote it.
The moron at Nintendo who greenlit the idea of milking Fire Emblem instead of letting it end with Awakening.
@@GatorRay I’ll defend the decision to keep the series alive because we got _Three Houses_ and _Shadows of Valentia_ out of it. Awakening got me into the series, but it was SoV and TH that showed me how good the series can be.
@@GatorRay valentia is the best in the serious in my mind, there not just gonna kill off a still working franchise which brings in money
I like how Shinon's personal skill is provoke. It makes is assholiness that much more surreal.
I always had Shinon unequip any bows to help train other units early game. I'd always imagine him casually walking around saying "Hey! **** you!" while giving them the bird haha.
@@McQkorean "Hey, dastard! Come closer or else I can't kill you dead!"
I'M DEAD. "Assholiness" 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
shinon is such a well thought character in all aspects 😭😭i love himmm
@@elquiu1566 wouldn't quite say a static racist character who barely receives any character development is a well thought character in all aspects
Felix is probably my favorite character in Three Houses, but I agree, he definitely belongs here.
I only like him because he is a fun unit to use
Meh, Hilda is less likable
@@angryhoovy5861
Hilda isn’t really that bad once you understand her.
Her character growth in verdant wind is great.
@@angryhoovy5861 I think Hilda has the best character development in 3H. Also don't judge her by her C supports, she really improves in her B and A supports, her suppports with Marianne and Lysithea are amazing. She is one of my favorite characters, she feels really human and she flawed like many of us, and her supports get more mature as the story goes on.
Agreed Soundless
Sometimes....i imagine that whenever felix is rude towards dedue, Ashe breaks chararacter and becomes ultra passive agrasive-
"Felix, SHUT The fuck up, we wouldnt like for me to miss one of my arrows would we?"
OMG I want to see that so badly.
Ashe is so passive aggressive that it’s a joke.
ashe is only interested in brown WOMEN
@@holsety8787 says who lol
I remember when you recruit Azama in Birthright he just watches Setsuna sink into quick sand and says it's interesting or something
To be honest, i feel like it would be hard to care with that happening to the girl every 5 minutes
Setsuna's not much better though, she'd just be like "D'oh well, Hinoka save me..."
Honestly I see that whole cutscene as hilarious. Hinoka is just standing there completely baffled while these 2 dumbasses are being themselves. I don’t like Azama as a person I like him because he’s a dickhead. He’s got some hilarious comedy behind his shitty behaviour.
Setsuna is, in my opinion, one of the best characters to demonstrate the "incompetent writing" that everyone says Fates has in terms of it's characters being "one dimensional". Sure, she may be funny in many scenarios, with how often she gets herself caught in random traps and her obliviousness causing her to misinterpret what other people say to her in hilarious fashion, but I feel that her supports get boring to read after a while since they all rely on the same punchlines I just mentioned. She also never really develops, either, and just comes across as the kind of person who is more so a liability to everyone else around her in spite of her supposedly being good with a bow and arrow; which actually makes a good segway into the fact that I think that she is, rather unsurprisingly, probably the single worst unit in birthright as well
azama is an example of why i hate nihilism attitudes
Felix's frustration comes from the fact he hates the romantization of chivalry. The children of Faerghus are taught that dying in battle is cool. That risking your life for a bunch of rich people is a noble path. Felix calls bs on that, and I'm 100% with him. Yeah he's a total jerk to everyone, but I love him so much. I just can't bring myself to hate the guy. I love him, he's great.
Agreed!
Plus he makes for a great Swordmaster, only surpassed by Catherine.
Yeah Felix is the only blue lion who i like characterwise.
@@emperormaxwell432 Aw, but Ashe is SUCH a cinnamon roll. So is Annette, for that matter.
@@Spore9996 yeah ashe is cool, but they absolutely do him dirty in the story, outside of supports, his only contribution to the story or dialogues, was basically "lord lonato" this or that, i wish they'd shown a little bit more of his character in the story than just that
What these Characters need:
Shinon: Therapy
Felix: Therapy
Azama: Therapy
Felix already get cake doe
@@hahmann It’s.... its a joke, it is literally a meme format I stole from Reddit
This meme format has been used in the FE community for a while now lol
Azama would just make the therapist cry.
What Fire Emblem needs:
TO BE PUT DOWN LIKE OLD YELLER!
If we’re being honest, 99% of the characters in fire emblem need therapy...
Honestly i like Azama a lot on the bases of him being an absolute asshole
Really refreshing from the usual healers that are just all kindnes and care for others
Same, he is pretty funny sometimes
It's why we love the Medic
I loved Azama for a number of reasons.
1. War is messy, and you’re sometimes forced to make uneasy alliances. I thought Azama really portrayed that kind of culture shock well, just as well if not better than most Nohr/Hoshido supports.
2. His carefree nature was refreshing in a game with so many characters concerned about trivial matters. It made him oddly jovial and fun.
3. It’s important to never surround yourself with “yes-men”. Criticism and judgement, especially in times where failure is not an option, is not a flaw. Honest feedback is important for any kind of growth and improvement. Azama’s a bubble burster, and I think that’s a positive trait, one that can’t be easily sugar coated.
@@evanquintana4778 there is a difference between "honest criticism" and "being a jerk". even if he had good intentions in mind, he is so unpleasant about it that others tend to brush off what he said. you can be blunt about your opinion and still be friendly
@@Underworlder5 I agree. Azama can be a jerk sometimes, I don't think anyone's denying that. But that doesn't mean his blunt opinion doesn't have value and merit, and doesn't unfairly contribute to his perception. I like to consider myself a very polite, and patient person, but I have friends who are very much not that. It's important not to dismiss someone entirely for their flaws. Assholes can be fun to hang with too. The world has all types. I totally understand why people would be put off by Azama's behavior though. I just find him a very welcome individual... in moderation.
Also, Azama is hilarious. Standout moments include:
His introduction in Birthright where Setsuna is sinking into quicksand and instead of helping he assures her that she will live on in their memories.
“Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us. Just kidding! Life is meaningless.”
“It is not your time to die, Corrin! Not for another 72 years and 19 days...”
The only thing that's funny to me is seeing the other characters call him out for being an asshole.
Even though Felix is insensitive to others feelings sometimes. He was one of the few characters who Has the Balls to Stand up to [ Redacted ] During his edgy phase.
Ah you have a point, and if anyone is wondering the redacted is (spoiler)
Dimitri
Yeah but that doesn't do jack shit. Redacted doesn't give a damn. He is too stuck in his own mind to care. If anything, Felix is making him worse by further fueling his self-hatred. To Felix he isn't human (or he refuses to call him one); Redacted doesn't see himself as one either. To Felix he is a killer and beyond help; Redacted feels exactly the same. Felix enables him in a way I feel nobody ever points out. He fuels the monster that is acting and destroying the person that used to be his friend. This is why I don't see him standing up to him as a good thing. Because it is just Felix being Felix. Felix speaks his mind to everyone. Redacted isn't special for it.
By being just as edgy. He barely ever even says something actually useful, he just broken records “Boar bad. Boar plan stupid.”
@@Edgeperor I mean, he does point out how useless it is to keep killing people for the dead.
@@zarasyed227 Which is absolutely true. Vengeance, or carrying out a dead person's plea is useless. They're dead, honoring their memory only serves the living. I also agree with his knight conversation with Seteh. Knights (and samurai) glorify death in a way that causes unnecessary casualties-and that "nobility" still persists to this day in modern war. (as in, putting foot soldiers into warzone when bombs would suffice to "reduce innocent casualties")
One thing I always liked about the Tellius games is how they actually show a deep spectrum of behavior within the core themes in their world. It's a lot harder to hate Shinon for being an ignorant, antagonistic jerk when you compare him to an actual monster like Izuka, for example. You know both of them are in the wrong, and on similar issues, but it's hard to compare someone who's just an asshole to an actual war criminal who'd give real-life Nazis a run for their money.
As another example, there are any number of radicalized Daein map bosses to compare Jill to, and realize that the simple act of opening herself up to the possibility she might be wrong was actually a pretty remarkable thing to do. Comparing Jill to Petrine, as a specific example, shows that even though both of them were radicalized, one of them had the courage to question herself, while the other was a coward to the end, delighting in the misery of others just to deny her own insecurities.
And Tellius gives us both sides of the coin: for every comparison that flatters characters like Jill and Shinon, there's also an unflattering one: a Zihark or an Ike to compare them against, so that you also realize that even though they may not have the absolute worst character traits, they've got a long way to go to actually being good people. I really think that the shades of grey Tellius paints are underestimated. It's something I never see Tellius get enough credit for, and just thought it was worth mentioning here.
Tellius also portrays that casual Racism applies on both sides of the spectrum, many of the Laguz at times have been shown to somewhat look down on the Beorc as weaker. It also displays the disparity between different kinds of racism such as Shinon's Racism where he'll say offensive crap but not actually do anything, as compared to the racism of the begnion army where Laguz hunting is treated almost like a sport.
Excellent Analysis! I could never articulate why Tellius was my favorite continent in the FE series ever since I played my first playthrough of POR and RD 14 and 13 years ago respectively but you nailed it
@@avishekbiswas4121 Happy to help! The Tellius games were always my favorite, and yet I never seem to see them getting the credit for worldbuilding I think they deserve.
@@cyrusblackthorn7222 It's funny that if you actually look at a drawn up journey of the routes in Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, PoR travels around the perimeter of the continent, while Radiant Dawn usually focuses on the interior.
Also, Shinon may be a racist but I'd also say that he dislikes Soren because he's a branded, and considering he also has a personal grudge against Ike just cause he hates Ike's guts and such make him part of that most hated group.
Though to me, it's kinda hard to hate him when you see how much Rolf respects him, especially since Rolf had a sick father and a mother who left. Shinon filled in for that in a way, and Rolf really felt attached to him, and Shinon says this too, "I like watching you, kid, I like seeing you shoot better every day... Then someday I can point at you and tell prople 'that's the best student I ever had.' Which is when Shinon gives Rolf the Silencer, one of the more powerful bows in the game, designed by Shinon to give to Rolf.
Also, it's even harder for me to hate Shinon when you consider that he's still the God Archer.
With regards with the Tellius series which I've observed that Western players tend to talk about it in a positive manner abeit overbearingly passionate while the Japanese counterparts were rather quiet about it (either it has to do the game console's lifespan or it didn't sparks their interest at all) that has to do with their respective set of values which is polarizing with one another.
"He's wrong about Dorothea, he's wrong about Dedue, he's wrong about Ingrid, he's *very uncharitable* towards Dimitri, he's wrong about Ashe, he's wrong about Leonie . . ."
Don't think I didn't see what you did there.
He's kinda right about Dimitri, but he isn't right in a productive manner.
@@shizachan8421 yeah like yes he's right but reminding Dimitri about his horrible mental issues at every opportunity isn't helping
Someone I've noticed who's been catching a lot of flack recently is Hilda. And honestly, it feels like Launch Ingrid discourse. People absolutely slamming her, calling her racist for her C support with Cyril and complaint about her laziness.
It's a shame because like most of the characters in 3H, she's not a bad person for unfounded reasons and it's not like she doesn't develop. But for some reason people just don't have the tolerance or understanding they do with Hilda as they do other characters.
Her prejudices are only present in a single C conversation and she's worked through them by the A, but even then so many people seem to forget that the Almyrans are literally functionally Vikings, try to kill her brother and invade Leister for fun constantly, conscript prepubesent child soldiers and just in general completely justify and reinforce the stigma against them. She has one support chain with the only Almyran she's ever seen who isn't trying to murder her closest family member (she doesn't know Claude's Almyran), the fact that she says stuff along the lines of "Wow, you're far better than most Almyrans" is completely fair and honestly a very tame reaction.
And in regards to her laziness, crushing expectations and feeling of not wanting to do anything because you feel like you'll disappoint everyone is like, the core of her character and completely justified considering her brother is possibly the strongest man in her country. "Man she's so lazy I hate her" rings so hollow to me after actually reading her supports, yet I see it all too often. It's a typical case of not getting the issue so minimising how bad it is, basically most Hilda detractors I see just say "suck it up" or "who cares she's still horrible" and I'm like man, where's that energy with literally anybody else in the roster? Probably because other character struggle with either trauma, clear mental illness, class issues or grief, which is far easier to understand and more relatable. People who don't have imposter syndrome probably aren't gonna take it seriously, to them it's "just an excuse to be lazy" because instead of hearing voices or breaking down crying, she procrastinates and overrelies on others due to not having faith in herself.
It's a real shame her honestly great character flies under the radar so often because she's got a nice rack and rough exterior.
No idea why I wrote all this out, just kinda wanted to put why I like Hilda to writing and considering how often she's disliked a vid about hated FE characters seemed the right place.
Hilda actually big brain
What alot of people don't understand is that racism is generally *irrational* feelings. As far as Ingrid is aware, the people of Duscur killed her fiance, and Almyrans actively attempt to invade Hilda's territory on at least a weekly basis. These are entirely rational and justifiable reasons for their disdainful attitude.
@@thrasher698 and we all know its wrong to put their frustrations on Dedue or Cyril, but its understandable why they felt that way. Still, well for Ingrid, she did redeem herself in B-A supports with Dedue, but I guess people only remember that C support huh?
@@mythoughtsexactly2145 I do actually wish Ingrid's racism was shown more, because it really feels like a footnote in her character. It comes up when she talks to Dedue and that's about it, as well as being resolved in her supports with Dedue.
She's popular enough to be disliked by some folks here & there. You can't expect Hilda to be liked by everyone - critique that she faces are also reasons for her appeal. It's a "healthy" ratio imo, and hey, just because I find her rather boring, doesn't mean that you should lower your enjoyment towards her.
Felix is an asshole, but a very sympathetic one who gets some good character development in Azure Moon.
Does he? What develops?
@@qtpie1144 honestly idk, i think he just relaxes for a second, but i think as you see more Felix supports, you get to understand why he's the way he is
@@wellokthen3834 No I completely understand why he is how he is. Doesn't excuse it though, just explains it.
Hilda/Ingrid posts: *justification for being racist*
Shinon posts:
WHEN U KILL SUBHUMAN
LMAO BOTTOM TEXT
When is Hilda racist??
@@redlikeroses3705 In her C support with Cyril.
"Sometimes I forget you're Almayran. I always thought they were a rough and unreliable sort of people. Though you're not really like the rest of them. You seem normal for the most part"
It makes sense seeing as her brother and house have been dealing with their invasions but still an unfair judgement that Cyril calls her out for. I'm not quoting this to say Hilda bad though. It's a part of an arc and focus in VW itself but yeah it's there.
Cleraly not as bad as Ingrid tho. I mean I think in Hilda's case making assumptions really is natural with the environment she lives in but she clearly sets a barrier between some of these assumptions and how she treats others from this country. It's mostly because she doesn't really know. I mean she is also kind of Claude's best friend and sure she might not have known from where he comes from but I don't think she was dumb enough to not realize he's an outlander ora part of his family is considering his skin color.
Yesterday I was just mindlessly scrolling through the details of each character and then I saw that under Ingrids details there was written "doesn't like : People of Duscur" I was laughing so hard omg
Honestly from what I've seen it's been
Shinon: Lol he's racist but I love him
Hilda / Ingrid: These two are horrible people, they're so racist!
I wish Felix and Hapi had a support conversation. It would make an interesting support.
felix hates the concept of chivalry. hapi hates the knights of seiros. both are openly cynical. would certainly be an interesting conversation
I wonder how Manuela and Dorothea would react to Annette singing 🎶
Imagine a Support between Felix and Hubert. Hubert could have his own World of Cardboard speech, in which he always has to hold himself back with his snark, to not break something, to break someone, but here they have the rare opportunity for him to go all out and show how hurtful he really can be.
Felix secretly cares for his friends, this is show during some supports and at the monastery, when Dimitri dies in Golden Deer Route he questions himself, wondering if hr could have been the one to save him. He's surprisingly nice to Annette, hell he might be in love with her during his supports with her, he also shows to care for Sylvain his older brother, Felix is more of a douchey version of a tsundere, at least he's actually good compared to the other two.
It's kind of amusing. He's so hostile to everyone else that Annette assumes she's been mocked as well when he's actually being genuine.
I would argue that Felix cares about everyone, as a core tenant of his beliefs is the importance of all lives. That's why he despises chivalry, as it makes it easy for people to throw away something so important, their own lives.
And he's the only character who cannot have a happy ending without Dimitri. Even Dedue gets to live and possibly find peace in the end without Dimitri in VW and SS. Felix is the only person who always dies miserably without his -husband- friend Dimitri
Don’t forget his story card with Lysithea once you finish the game. It is honestly pretty wholesome.
If you look at how Felix is the reason he doesn't hold really any hate or rather annoyance toward is because she doesn't bother him. Look at what happens with most other people in support chains. They believe in chivalry/knighthood, they bother him when he is training, they risk their lives for him, or they just don't leave him alone when he wants to be alone l. Annette doesn't do any of that. He approached her and complimented her about her singing and dancing as well he has a thing for girls who can sing. Even when she did approach him he wasn't bothered by her as she wasn't interrupting him training or him wanting to be alone.
Losing my mind at this thumbnail this is so funny
holy moly can you please watch the video before commenting about Felix wow
Off topic but, how are you today Faerghast?
I really like Felix but completely get what your saying as his really rude but does have some of my favourite moments
You are purposely cherry-picking and coloring information to make Felix look worse. He doesn’t *think* Dimitri is a monster, he watched Dimitri be a monster by enjoying slaughtering people, a fact Dimitri doesn’t dispute. Felix is right about Dimitri until later in the story, but even still he doesn’t truly give up on Dimitri. He was right about Dedue too. Dedue admits he’d senselessly massacre children and his comrades if ordered. Felix is the only person who realizes how messed up Dimitri is and how has and could lead to so many deaths. I’d hate Dimitri and Dedue if I was him. He’s pissed everyone treats it like it’s normal. He’s afraid everyone he cares about will kill innocent people. For vengeance, for their people, for the knightly concepts of loyalty and chivalry. Felix only seems like the asshole because Dimitri never goes as dark as he very reasonably could have in these timelines. Felix hates death. So he trains harder than anyone else (except maybe Leonie) to prevent it, and if Dimitri had gone down darker paths, he’d have to kill him. The strongest human on the planet and one of his best friends.
TL:DR Felix witnessed a mass murder as a 15 year old, has to be around the mass murderer all the time, is reasonably in a bad mood about it.
Is a dick to Dorothea though
@@TheRollingStone11 Problem with Felix is his extreme judgemental one sided views on everything & everyone he disagrees with, whether it is Glenn, Dimitri, his father, Ingrid.. the list goes on.
You walked into this one ghast I’m sorry
I was about to say "Most hated..? Felix got 5th place in CYL lol" then you did your disclaimer right on queue.
It's more so his opinion rather than popularity as he hates quite liked characters which explains all the Felix comments I see. More than half.
Azama I'm nuetral on as I don't really care either way even if he is a bad dad or retainer to hinoka. Niles is worse and his background doesn't excuse him for trying to mess with people like azama.
Guess Henry will be on the third list
@@ivanbluecool Oh true true, that makes sense. I used to like Azama a lot but now I don't really care that much.
@@reithefaux3048 I never liked him but he was funny as setsuna is hilarious with how she acts but these two are horrible retainer to hinoka and she needs to watch them which adds to it.
I'm sure he will being up tharja eventually but I'll skip it as it's gonna be an annoying mess if I hear "torture" Daughter which proves it.
Hope it's Henry but I don't hate as he calls out the ylliseans for killing his friends in the army and actually making the ealry bosses fleshed out.
Since on saizo if he brings up takumi as saizou caused takumis problems and nobody aside me calls it out.
Yeah Setsuna was funny kinda but they got stale very quickly for the people that did like them both. When I saw the thumbnail I actually didn't plan on watching it tbh, knowing a lot about the 3 characters, I didn't really have an interest rehearing about them. I just didn't really have anything else to do so I decided to kill a bit of time. Actually I haven't even watched the first one, only seeing Makalov cuz I knew pretty much all what was going to be said.
@@reithefaux3048 that's pretty much me. The videos are just his opinion more so taking the character whether I agree or not and expanding on the bad.
I mean for example saying one guy is a racist yet no liking the fate cast when oboro who has a reason for this but is actually smart enough to not hurt her army members who are norh shows his biased views.
For me Erika and Celica are so bad in how they let thier armies almost die or trust such untrustworthy people just "because" and no other reason than that.
For hate I'll say saizo. He is so bad and a jerk especially in the drama cd but nobody calls him out but I will every single time I have a chance.
Echoes that idiot fernard I think his name is the guy who left for berkut i felt nothing for. He is a jerk and deserved to die a jealous loser while berkut was amazing and I wish we could have kept him in our team like Originally planned.
Also don't know why people hate Faye just because she is the one sided crush girl while Cordelia in awakening is loved more than sumia who is not a character but just a prop if chrom isn't around with her little supports and frankly Cordelia is better
Felix is definitely an asshole, but I will say that most of the time his evaluations of others aren't actually wrong. Or at least not totally wrong. In addition to his initial evaluations, he does discover that there is more to them than what he initially observes.
Dorothea's reason for being at Garreg Mach was to find a suitable husband, and when Felix assumes that she's is interested in him because he's the heir to house Fraldarius, Dorothea words her way around it, but never totally denies it. He later realizes that she's more aware of the realities of the world than he thought, and while he seems to be pretty oblivious to girls' feelings, hopefully he also figures out that while she is looking for a wealthy husband, she also wants someone sincere who sees her for who she is.
His deduction that Dedue is blindly obedient to Dimitri isn't totally wrong either. Dedue would follow nearly any order issued to him by Dimitri unquestioningly. However Felix realizes later on that part of his reason for doing so is to help Dimitri achieve his goals no matter the personal sacrifice Dedue must make.
Felix's statements towards Ingrid come more out of concern for her life. He knows what has happened to knights who valued chivalry and pride over everything else, and he sees Ingrid following that path as well. He doesn't want her to follow a path that will get herself killed. He calls her out for romanticizing blind obedience, which Ingrid doesn't deny, and she later decides that she should follow her own beliefs rather than blind loyalty to a superior.
With Ashe, his evaluations of tales of chivalry aren't wrong either. Tales of chivalry romanticize and glorify war and often, if not always, leave out its true horrors. Because of these tales of chivalry, Ashe's perspective on the world was very idealistic, making him naive to the underlying darknesses in other people. Felix's point isn't to say that Ashe should give up on tales of chivalry entirely, only that he shouldn't draw so heavily on them when looking at the world.
The one example I will agree with is his assumption about Leonie. He flat out underestimated her, and it cost him. It served as a humbling moment for him, and gave him an opportunity to reflect on some of his weaknesses. His remark that she's "impressive for a girl," is more just his back handed way of giving compliments, and they banter back and forth. I'd say that through his support with Leonie, Felix found his ideal training partner.
Like it is stated in the video, Felix's evaluations of others aren't 100% correct, however it should be noted that most of the time they aren't flat out wrong either.
and then there’s his supports with Annette. Annette is so pure that Felix, the character known for harshly criticizing others, cannot find a single thing about Annette to criticize, and I think he's legitimately in love with her *by C support.* I actually think that he sort of relates with her on a personal level, since Rodrigue is notably distant from Felix, and Annette's father blatantly abandoned his family (screw Gilbert).
@@Mute14_ I hate that support so much. It just flattens both of their characters.
@@melteddali8000 Tbf, that support is supposed to be a joke. It's not meant to be taken seriously
yet the shippers do@@oh4835
I think the issue with Felix is, that his observations are mostly right and that his logical development would be not to give them up but to understand that the way he expresses them is not productive and only hurts people, instead of helping them. Though I think there is the more underlying problem, that Felix is right but the route he is in by default works counter to his positions. He is a character with Crimson Flower morals and attitudes who defaults to Azure Moon, a Route that believes in all of these things like chivalry, crests and tradition.
I actually love Felix, but I definitely agree with your assessment of him. He’s definitely a jerk, but it’s not like it’s without reason. I think what liked most about him is his character development in his supports. While he may start out obstinate and aggressive (borderline verbal abuse) he’s able to change his view. At least a little. Even tho he hated Dimitri for a time, in their S support, he was extremely loyal and close to him. He even mourned Dimitri’s death more so than the queen. It’s the same with Sylvain. They were very close in their A and S support.
I made the huge mistake of recruiting him during my Crimson Flower run ‘cause watching him slowly break down was kinda hard to see. Especially since he was my best unit, so he took out his dad, Sylvain, and Dimitri. I felt so bad. Yeh, but I’m not saying he doesn’t belong on this list lol. I’m just rambling.
What are you talking about with S supports? Only Byleth has S supports in 3 houses
@@floricel_112 I was talking about the little end cards at the end of the game. Y'know the things that tell you what happens to everyone after the events of the game. It's basically a S-support.
I think one thing you kind of missed in the Felix support is how much he views, and is made to view, himself as an outsider. A lot of his problems I think stemmed from the fact that not only he never healthily dealt with his Glenn's death, but the way that others dealt with Glenn's death and the tragedy in general made them feel cold to him. Without anyone non-patriotic to comfort him all he was surrounded with after his death was all that chivalry stuff and him seeing Dmitri get socially rewarded for coping (ie masking his feelings) while he could see he was suffering the same as himself really would of just made him feel that people weren't respecting his feelings which he turned into bitterness. Even M'Dmitri post war phase would annoy him with the amount of outward concern he got for his character change when Felix probably interpenetrated he get none when he lashes out. He is just a perfect storm of emotions that means he is kind of justified not letting people in while all the while not letting people in is preventing him from moving on in life which makes it really sweet when you get glimpses of it showing through his A supports. Probably one of my favourite characters in the game, and I agree with most stuff you talked about him, and he is just a really fleshed out edgeman that fits in with the world really well.
Felix is a good character from a route that does not support him.
At the risk of sounding edgy I think Felix's criticism of knights tales is incredibly valid. In context of the game these stories do lead to impressionable children fantasizing about going off to fight in war and becoming soldiers. A similar criticism could be made of real life military films which are often just propaganda to get people to join the military.
It's not that he entirely lacks points but they're lost in his attitude and biases
I find it odd to call a character like Felix edgy in the first place, sure on a surface level he has that "edgy anime swordsman" kind of feel, but his character is literally defined by feeling that people's lives are of upmost importance, I feel that in order for a character to be edgy, they should have to have a flaggrant disregard of lives, just the opposite of Felix's views.
The issue with Felix isn't that he is wrong but that he expresses his observations in an unoproductive way. There is also the structural issue that he is by default member of a route that operates against his personal values. Azure Moon believes in all these ideals he despises.
I love Azama so much, ever since I first played Birthright he's been my favorite hoshido character. Not only is he a troll in the game's story, but he's also a troll to the player, being a really strong physical fighter that is classed a freaking monk.
trueee, and that makes me love him even more
Same, Azama is one of the few reasons why i could tolerate birthright.
Seriously, chuck a lightning Lance on him and watch him ohko
Yoo i reclass him to apothecary he basically became mechanist delete button
is he really that much of a troll when playable? i always saw him as a crutch healer (say, for beginners who forget to keep their healers out of danger), and one of his promotion options is a physical class he excels at
I'd be very curious to see an analysis of Sylvain. Normally he's the go-to character to hate when it comes to the Blue Lions because of his surface level antics, so it's interesting to me to see someone else get talked about in this way.
In a world of Shinons, be a Zihark
I don't want to be sword locked.
nah bro. if some people are given everything in life while you are given nothing. the least i should be able to do is express my anger.
*is a felix*
@@darklight6921 I was referring to the racism bit, not the hating Ike bit
@@Neogears1312
RD has affordable ranged swords.
To be fair to Felix, media is easy to use to control the thoughts and actions of the people; we need only look at the last few years for this to be obvious.
Also, there's a very good reason why even Lu Bu calls Azama the "Troll Path"...
"Lu Bu"? Of Three Kingdoms fame?
@@Ubersupersloth He's a big fan of Three Kingdoms, yes. Look up his channel. "Lu Bu Feng Xian"
Bubu lubu and the six paths of pain plus...
Edit: oops forgot it was six
@@weshideo1 Six, but otherwise yeah...
When Felix tells Ingrid to go find a husband, I believe that's out of context. Ingrid says that knights must be obedient to their kings, so Felix means to say "If you like obedience so much, then you might as well go find a husband."
ya but he says "You're not meant to be a knight" right before it
@@redlikeroses3705Because he doesn't want to see her go down the path of blind obedience given how he saw it all by first hand experience
Azama is a serious d-bag, but I still S-supported him 3 times Lol
Azama is a horrible person and I love him for it
@@derekschacht7667 "Take this bear skin. Nice isn't it? Guess we're married now!"
"...wut."
"Well, that was a spirited discussion! I'm sorry that you're totally wrong about everything."
I married him too because Mitama is my favorite of the Fates children.
I can't really blame you since Matt Mercer's his voice actor
Are we going to overlook the fact that Azama’s supports normally end well? In the beginning of most of his supports due to his rep he’s already give a persona that people think of him. But at the end of the support there’s always something good that happens. And please let’s not forget that he little foreshadows Azura secret about her pendant literally killing her?
In Shinon's case: Of course he's going to hate Laguz who act respectful and polite, it goes against his views of them and proves him wrong.
When confronted with the truth, it's a common reaction for people who believed the lie to double down on the lie.
This applies to all forms of ignorance and prejudice, read any political social media ever.
Don't need to, I live with racist people.
12:25 is he though? Dorothea generally is seen trying to marry into nobility, as much as I love him Dedue IS nothing but a blind loyal dog when it comes to Dimitri, and Ingrid was trying to follow in Glen's footstep, a path which ended up in death, something which he doesn't want to happen to her; he's seen first hand the brutal, vicious, savage and sadistic side of Dimitri when they were quelling a rebellion and that sight must have horrified Felix (and heck, Dimitri essentially BECAME what Felix said about him for most of Azure Moon)
As for his worldview regarding chivalry and self sacrifice in general....I get it. Look at this from his perspective: his older brother, who he loved and admired greatly, died in a massacre that left only Dimitri alive. So obviously he must be grieving, he's vulnerable, mourning his brother's death and he's in need of comfort And what does his father do to comfort him? He tells his son to be proud of Glen because "he died like a true knight". His older brother is gone and he can never come back, and his own father tries to make a beautiful thing out of it, something to be praised and admired (Heck, Dimitri himself says there was no beautiful death to be found that day, it was purely a massacre, with Glen's face contorted with pain). Those words did little to comfort him. In fact, they had the exact opposite effect. So because of this, Felix not only begins to hate his father, but also chivalry in general. He sees it as people needlessly sacrificing themselves when they should be placing their own lives first, and the romanticization of that idea sickens him even more because he feels like it's trying to make out of death a beautiful thing, something to be admired and an example to follow, just like his father. He just wants people to live, and that if there's a reason to fight, it should be to live.
His opinion on chivalry is purely subjective, based on his own personal feelings, but he does have some valid points regarding of ugly side of it: regular people HAVE a romanticized idea about what it means to be a knight because of books and such, and those same people may decide to follow that path without truly knowing what it entails. People THINK dying for your country is romantic and such, but who knows how many of those people would still feel the same when faced with death. And heck, knighthood is not all protecting the innocents and the weak; sometimes your lord orders you to quell a peasants rebellion that are only revolting because of the lord's mistreatment. Knighthood can instill good values like devotion and protecting the weak, but it also promotes more nasty stuff like dying for "king and country"
Felix is "right," but he's also straight-up abusive towards everyone around him, which is why he turns into a bloodthirsty death seeker outside of AM and character development ensues in it. I'm sick and tired of these "Felix is just sooooo right" takes that totally ignore the mental damage he does to almost everyone around him until he matures.
@@toriwork8891 I think "bloodthirsty death seeker" only applies to Felix in Crimson Flower, cause why would that happen in any of the other routes: he isn't forced to betray his morals, the doesn't have to kill any of his friends or his father, and he's still fighting against the Empire alongside the force that has the best chance at defeating it, and after the war he becomes a Navarre type of character. Sure, he's bummed out for a while with how Dimitri died, wondering if he could have done something to save him, but other than that there really isn't much for him to turn into a self deprecating man that seeks death on the battlefield like in Crimson Flower, where he absolutely loathes himself for what he has become: a traitor to his own country, committer of patricide, killer of his friends, a hypocrite no different than he boar he was chastizing all those years ago; but he keeps moving forward nonetheless
@@floricel_112 I agree VW/SS Felix has an easier time than CF!Felix. I was more referring to his non-AM endings more than his monastery dialogue, which in the default includes a line about him becoming a mercenary and killing like he sought death sans a few exceptions like that wtf ending where he and Leonie fail at business and becomes clowns, which has to be among the most "didn't see that coming" FE paired endings ever.
@@floricel_112 "And heck, knighthood is not all protecting the innocents and the weak; sometimes your lord orders you to quell a peasants rebellion that are only revolting because of the lord's mistreatment."
that line reminded me of heath from blazing blade. he was kicked out of berns military because of an incident that revolved around something like that. he was tasked to suppress a rebellion, but once his unit got there, he found out it was just a bunch of peasants in a bad excuse of an "uprising" stirred by a military general who wanted to boost his career. heath refused to participate in such a slaughter, and was branded a traitor for it. i wonder what felix would have to say about that
I love Shinon as a character. He's a somewhat lovable asshole, yet you somewhat care for the guy and his struggles. Yes, his racism is bad, and that makes him so interesting! The more I think about the Tellius arc, the more I think it's the best FE games. I know that it's practically a meme to love Tellius, but man, the games are incredible.
The way PoR handles him is great, when you encounter him in that Daein outpost and can only recruit him by beating him with Ike after talking to him with Rolf. Its so unusually convoluted but they wrote it so well.
@@Zastralord Yep, and I would also add the way they introduce him the very first time: he saves Rolf with a master stroke.
It gives you an idea of the character in such a cool and memorable way.
He's also very original: in past Fire Emblems your army is usually composed only by good guys + an edgy swordmaster, although they could have developed his backstory much better.
His racism makes him...interesting? Okay.
@@rennilena4378 As in that's not a character you would normally root for, like or even care about.
@@rennilena4378 A lot of unlikeable qualities can be interesting if written correctly, and Shinon's racism is written in a very good way to make it frustrating, and engaging.
I think it's worth mentioning that the Shinon base convo also features him getting hung up over Greil's death. That ire towards Ike could also be fueled by living in the shadow of the one dude he respected and is still grieving over. IIRC, there's also an RD base convo where he raises some money by selling bows for the mercs. Ike finds out and him and Aimee ponder over the weirdly kind action.
Then of course there's Rolf who is trained and even given a prf weapon by the dude.
Stuff like this is what makes Shinon a great character in my eyes. He's a scumbag but has enough vulnerabilities and bonds to feel like a believable person.
Funny story: Ever since playing 3H, I give Felix's voice to any character with a chip on their shoulder if the game doesn't have dialogue. This was especially the case in Tellius. I heard Shinon talk like him, and Soren talk like him... but not Naesala.
Personally I love Azama. Characters like him and Makalov that are blatant assholes really make me laugh, but I honestly couldn't tell ya why.
I love how Felix acts on crimson flower. Bonus points for having him kill all of his friends so the moral ambiguity of his actions destroys his image of himself.
Is sliding with a power hungry tyrant and helping her conquer innocent countries and betraying all his friends and family really Ambiguity.
I only felt bad when I got him to kill Sylvain.
@@4wheal It's funny how even after a year since 3h was released people still think edelgard is the power hungry spawn of satan, hilarious
@@starkillahx I wouldn't call her a spawn of satan but Yup she is still very much power hungry.
It's made quite clear that Edelguard main goal was the conquest of Fodlan and forcing her ideology through froce.
It's pretty funny that even a year later peopel still havent seen Edelguard ture character and simple belive the lies she tells Byleth. Insted of looking at her actions across all 4 routes and seeing what she truly desires.
@@4wheal To be power hungry she needs to actually desire and lust for power though. For Edelgard, power is simply a means to an end, not the goal in itself.
Would love to see you dig into Sylvain as a character, he is introduced as shallow and unlikeable but has a lot of depth and he not-so-secretly is self deprecating and fights to a point it’s considered suicidal (Felix A+ Support) where he does not care if he gets hurt.
Please do one with Peri. She's basically Henry gone bad.
With Lissa's hairstyle dyed blue and pink FOR SOME REASON!
i think ghast has an older support science video about peri.
@@mlabs6005 he has made one yes.
What if I actually like Peri?
@@johnathanedwards9054 it's ok to like Peri.
I liked the way these three characters were grouped together. They're all jerks who I definitely wouldn't want to be friends with, but they're entertaining to read, well-written and well-developed, and not flat-out irredeemable. FE can get a bit boring because most recruitable units are so righteous and good, so watching a few characters sow the seeds of chaos provides some much-needed variety.
Agreed. I find the characters much stronger in Three Houses. And reading these comments, I'm finding it a little weird that there's all these arguments happening that seem founded on the assumption that an unlikeable person is a bad character. Often, it's the characters with issues that are the most interesting.
Fun fact, during the paralogue where you save Azama’s daughter Mitama, Azama does not give a damn that she’s moments away from death because “death comes to everyone someday”. By that logic he should be more willing to risk life and limb for her since “death comes to everyone someday” but he can be very self serving often times
All the comments about Felix becouse these guys haven’t played the other games
**sweats nervously**
@Ramen Noodles I recommend you at least watch the story events on youtube, there's plus it's pretty hard. Mainly because Hard mode is called Normal.
Call me back when you can get a copy of Radiant Dawn for less than $100 -and when anyone actually wants to play Fates-
@@Logans_Login I got one for 70$ back in 2016.
@@Logans_Login fates conquest has fun maps the revaltion is underrated birthright sucks, also I was talking about how pepole are only talking about felix, I can understand it for radiant dawn
One of the few things I actually really like about Birthright (even though I definitely prefer conquest) is how it uses the stigma of being the "good option" in its favor with its characters. I mean, among these people are:
Azama: If internet trolls existed in ancient Japan
Saizo: Sexy grinch
Oboro: Xenophobic (though for justified reasons and is willing to grow)
Takumi: A pineapple that has had one too many red bulls
Rinkah: C supports pretty much amount to "fuck off"
And all of them I at least like with some being favs (Azama, Rinkah and Saizo).
Oh, and good vid mate.
14:15 I heavily disagree with your assertion that this was a "rhetorical question" and that Felix "already knew the answer". Felix seems to have been deeply disturbed back in the rebellion when his childhood friend first started showing his bloodthirsty tendencies, and ever since he appears to have been deeply confusedabout what happened to make him that way. I think Felix was never able o reconcile the friend he knew in his childhood with the man he sees on the battlefield.
Love shinon and that fact that he doesn't change. Makes him more realistic and grounded when he doesn't have some forced overhaul of his base personality. He's the perfect opposite of jill and having both is a good thing. You can be a jill and learn and grow or a shinon who merely adapts but doesn't change. Also makes sense given that jill is still young and shinon is already set in his ways. It's just like real life and having a racist still be one of the "good" guys was bold of the writers and I'll give them props for it. It's a delicate balance but I think they did well with him
I mean, "good" is pretty relative, I suspect very few people manage to recruit him on their first playthrough. Even if someone is using Rolf, there's no reason to move adjacent to him. Most people's parting memory of Shinon are going to be maybe him refusing to rejoin through Ike or Gatrie, and then killing him.
Dang I love Azama, I didn't know people disliked him, I thought having characters who are a-holes as Azama was always fun, cause I like having characters like that, cause in reality a-holes exist so it's interesting seeing how characters can have more personality than just goody two shoes.
I’m pretty sure Azama is the biggest troll in all of Fire Emblem
I love him so much
Well, the most hated characters can also be the most liked. The in-universe and out-of-universe opinions of a character may not line up. Also, entertaining villain > boring hero.
I feel like most people know a Felix in real life, and the people that don't unironically like him despite the other majority cringing every time that Felix-like person is present at a party
I don't think that liking someone as a character in a story is the same as liking them as a person that you actually interact with. They could be a good villain. They could be a dynamic and sympathetic character despite being a jerk. Characters without flaws can be bland.
How does one talk about Azama without discussing his horrible treatment of his daughter, Mitama?
I havent played fates, is it like Tharja with Noire bad?
@@GreenMagicMachine No, it is just verbally abusive about her work ethic.
@@redhead_bebs Honestly, with how he is as a person, he deserves a daughter like her. Serves him well.
He also has no reason to marry Sakura either. He's so fucking awful to her and actually made her cry.
@@Nosretep interesting how much patience the hoshidan royal family has for such a subordinate. in real life feudal japan, he would have been executed on the spot
I wonder if he'll include Peri next
He should.
She'd have to be with quite a few other, deeper characters, as he's already done a great video on her and she's very shallow.
She fits the Bill, tons of people hate her and she is a terrible person
She would certainly qualify, but I doubt it. Ghast already has a Support Science video on her (though it is a bit old).
@@alexanderbaldwin1298 At same time how much depth does a crazy character even need exactly considering shes crazy?
The only good thing about Azama is his daughter Mitama.
tbh mitama is even more sharp tongue when compared to him
I can't speak for the other two, but Felix has a right to be angry, seeing as he lost his brother, and then had to sit there hearing from his father and everyone else how "great a death" Glenn had. One can imagine that he couldn't ever discuss that topic with his father, because his father is um... who he is. Chivalrous. He really has no reason to be nice or open up to others, save for Slyvain, who occasionally flusters Felix for reminding him of the person he used to be. Someone weak who would run up to Slyvain "crying" and who looked up to Slyvain as a big brother. Felix, I think, is in such a dark place in his mind that he really tries to convince himself that the optimistic and justice-loving masses are weaker than himself, because they glorify death; and tries at every chance he has to dehumanize himself, as he feels it's disrespecting the memory of his brother.
Really hit the nail on the head with Felix imo, I personally love how often he's proven wrong about things and perhaps more importantly that he DOES have something of value to say in a good few of his supports where afterwards I really thought about the things he said and how I feel about that philosophy. It makes him so much more than just an edgy abrasive sword lad who's just rude because that's his gimmick
Oh boy, I was missing some hate in my day
Suprised you havent put Peri in one of these yet.
She'll probably be in the third one with Henry and FE7 Karel. Just put all the people that get off on murder in the same video
@@valarmis I think instead of henry the other dark mage will be in the grand finale
ah yes tharja, awakening's good written bad character.
@@valarmis Perhaps? He already did a support science of her so I'm expecting to see Ghast mention her at best.
@@gachalibra9243 no I don't think it will. Like, she acts all evil because she has an aesthetic to keep up, but outside of using Noire as guinea pig for very minor curses, she doesn't actually do anything particularly evil, and actually generally helps out all the others.
Henry genuinely offered to kill Chrom's wife in his C-support with Cordelia. Henry is willing to take up any opportunity he has to kill and joined Chrom's army because he was able to get away with a lot of justified killing in his army. On top of that, if you remember his support with Robin, he was gonna revive Risen and unleash them on the enemy entirely uncontrolled, unbothered that innocents would die, and Robin had to spell out to Henry why that was not okay.
Funny thing I did hated Felix's personality when I first met the guy
Then when I wake up we were both married in the game
Felix is a character that says a lot of accurate things, but is terrible at delivering them in an empathetic and constructive way - ultimately leading to hum antagonizing the people he cares about and causing him to distance further.
Boy/man needs some support to work through his issues and find a way of interacting with others that lets him express his concerns in a way that is seen as heartfelt instead of hateful.
A lot of support conversations in the series are written as the two characters antagonizing each other and then coming to a compromise. Having prickly characters kind of just makes it easier to write these, I imagine.
I think in Shinon's case, he's a guy who is skeptical of any human contact and will come up with any excuse to not interact with people. His racism seems like it isn't so much about "beorc>laguz" as it is "this is a convenient excuse to not interact with a big chunk of people on the continent."
Felix is actually usually trying to help people when he antagonizes them, because he has genuine feelings about things that don't matter and things that do matter. He vastly underrates the worth of loyalty, but his existence actually seems to have a positive impact overall, helping people to remember the value of things not of a social nature but of a human one.
Azama is a "people explorer." He's an asshole to try to gauge reactions from people. He's like Bugs Bunny, or that guy who made phone videos of himself roasting random people in public. He takes insult with the veneer of politeness that people hold and wants to get under it and experience "the real you" without earning your trust. I would have big personal issues with someone like Azama to the point where I'd have to confront them at some point.
I agree with Azama and Shinon. Felix? Not so much.
That dude just lost his brother, which he loved more than anything, but instead of support from his father he gets a glorification of his death. And he didnt hate Dimitri for surviving the massacre, but for lying and pretending to be someone he's not. He just saw his best friend slaughter soldiers during the rebellion with a smile on his face and the next time he saw he acted as he didnt just went super phsycho? I wouldn't trust him either. I agree that he goes to far with Dimitri (verbal abuse us not cool) but remember, he's traumatized.
Not continuing towards his, apparently false, accusations.
1) He's not actually wrong about Dorothea, that girl practically screams about her search for a rich noble to support her. And did she outright deny the claim that she was interested in him, in the beginning? And she is totally not word wise. She knows a lot, growing up in the streets will teach you something, but she is also horrible naive about how nobility works ( Ferdinand support) and just assumes they all are the same.
2) Dedue confessed that he would kill innocent people and CHILDREN on Dimitris Command, no questions asked.
That sounds like a "royal rabid dog" to me. Yes he has more depths to his loyalty. But in the core of the matter I would not call him wrong.
3) Ingrid, oh Ingrid. She is the literall humanization of what he hates the most, ultimate loyalty and chivalry. And even though he shows some really unpleasant traits ( sexism is not cool) he too is right to some degree. Later Ingrid confesses that she couldn't not blindly follow orders, a fault which will kill her on the path she is set to go. And she too comes to the conclusion that she should fight for her own beliefs instead of trying to copy them.
4) Ashe, the media has power, even in the middle ages. The true horrors of war are glossed over, blinding many young people, which leads to them throwing their life away. And yes Felix did not have to bitch at Ashe so hard ( its still just a book) the core of the matters correct: don't underestimate the horrors of war.
Leonie is just a fault of Felix, can't defend him there.
Still I don't agree with how wrong he was made out in the video, just my opinion though.
i agree with the video. Your opinion tho is wrong. Felix has no good excuse whatsoever
Felix actually loves his friends and would protect them to the death. The only thing is, he has a hard time expressing it. He may not be a knight, but in Ingrid’s and Ashe’s supports, it is proven that he sure acts like one.
He's indeed a knight, he just doesn't want to recognize it
I always feel like he keep training so vigorously is because he wants to protect them in the battlefield. The way he talks are sure harsh but you know what I mean as we can see it. In the end of my BL route, somehow he's my #1 character I personally love. Then, Dimitri and Sylvain.
I might get a little flack for this, but Azama, while absolutely an asshole, has one unintentionally redeeming thing about him. When he's criticizing the others within the Fates cast, he's often times correct. Yes, he is a bully. Yes, his criticisms are usually unwarranted with rare exception. But he is right, even if he is a jerk about it. But he's only right about this because of the world he's been placed into the characters he's criticizing. Put that same character into a better written cast, and he's just some jerk who gets his kicks from bringing down others.
Yeah. Azama is a bully, and a huge pain to find an S-support for. So it was with a certain level of smug satisfaction that I paired him with Setsuna in my first playthrough of Birthright, for what I saw as her unintentionally putting him in his place.
I also did something similar with Felix where I made him my Dancer in my first Blue Lions playthrough despite his begging to not be selected. I was also completely floored when he and Dimitri shared a paired ending. Like, he went from "boar" to missing him even more than the queen. D'aaawwwww!
I kinda hated Azama because I kept showing up in Heroes. But now that I know about how he is, I actually have respect for him not caring about what others think.
Shinon is my favourite PoR character because of how much he does for the game and story:
- He's a sobering reality check that racism in Tellius runs deep and that it's unrealistic to expect all allies to be egalitarians
- His defection makes Chapter 8 hit incredibly hard, both because you lost a very powerful 2-range unit just before a desperate defence chapter and showing Ike that he still has a long road ahead before he can follow in Greil's footsteps
- His rerecruitment is both memorable for how complicated it is and how it simultaneously captures both his enmity toward Ike and compassionate relationship with Rolf
I think Felix hating Dimitri is out of fear than hate. He knows how insane Dimitri can be, and since he witnessed that insanity when he was young that could result in trauma.
And even before time skip, he knows the 'boar' side still resides in Dimitri. So he keeps his distance to him because to Felix, Dimitri is a ticking time bomb that's ready to go off at any moment.
So in conclusion, I think Felix still thinks of Dimitri as a friend, but is cautious and resentful because he thinks Dimitri is a wolf pretending to be a lamb.
Loving this series, sometimes the asshole characters are a refreshment from so many just purely good characters. It’s nice to have some kind of gray area
While Felix does go too far at times with his insults and evaluations i for some Odd reason actually agree with him on the whole "Glorification of death", Why do we do this? "They died a good death", i get that it's to give purpose to the deceased but i just cant wrest the feeling that it's ironically just Disrespectful towards them, The dead are dead, they don't come back and instead of Mourning we Praise them for their death??? that's just sickening to me...
Yeah, it's not hard to hate something if it leads to everyone seeming more content with someone after they died then when they were alive.
@@lpfan4491 Well put.
Azama is my favorite Fates character, but this disturb me because everyone says he's an asshole. I think not, maybe because I'm French and the french version of the game madr him less unbearable. Azama have, according to me, the most fun and memorable support conversations. He's like the monk version of the Dude from the Big Lebowski, but capable of roasting everyone at any moment.
There’s a lot of people in the comments mad about felix’s presence here, but I have not seen a single person try to bat for Azama. I love it.
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honestly, Azama had me laughing. His name is literally one letter removed from Hazama in Blazblue, and so I'd read all his lines in my head in the same tone and inflection that Erik Davies did for Hazama, and it just... made him so damn funny to me. It turned him from an just an unapologetic asshole, into a snarky, sarcastic asshole.
If you read half the opening lines to his B-supports with a smirk and a sarcastic tone, it just makes the insincere apologies so much funnier I find.
i like felix a lot, he’s probably one of my favourites in the entire cast. he’s abrasive and rude on the surface but it generally stems from a place of care when he’s talking to his friends. he was a child who cried a lot and was never afraid to show his feelings, but after the tragedy of duscur and losing his brother whom he loved more than anything, witnessed atrocities and became disillusioned with the concept of knighthood and chivalry - the very ideals he looked up to all his life - he transformed into someone who tended to bottle his feelings up behind a veneer of cold apathy. rather than being the lone wolf cliche, his past puts his words and actions into context, and i enjoy seeing him grow and warm up to others in his support conversations.
Felix pissed me off so much in the story. It was so great for Seteth to give him the biggest slice of humble pie.
I mean he doesn't he just says sigurds final words to seliph with out bite. Seteth doesn't really do anything like that. He's an observer/therapist giving options and questions.
Felix is definitely not a most hated in the community, if anything he's a fan favorite...?
Sure he's edgy and often rude, but he always has a point, and gives respect where it's due. And he's one of the best combat units of the game.
Pretty sure Lorenz is 3H's most hated.
The amusing thing about Felix is that I find that he's actually almost always right and even when he's wrong, there's still a hint of truth in it. Great examples of this are his underlying knowledge of Dimitri, his gut feeling concerning Catherine hiding her past, or his instinct in Jeritza being the Death Knight culprit. He has become my favorite 3 Houses character quite quickly.
I always had the feeling that Felix isn't a bad character, just REALLY infuriating sometimes!
It's understandable that he might resent the thoughts of knighthood, as he sees it as the pointless "faith" that killed someone close to him, and i can fully understand how he has come to project those feelings on others...
He keeps people at arms length, afraid to let anyone get close, as he is obviously TERRIFIED of losing someone again, and he never allows himself to admit how close he feels to someone, as he not only already lost someone, but loses his dad too for what seems like the same reason, affirming his beliefs in his own eyes.
I think what Felix resents the most isn't the idea of sacrificing yourself for someone else or your beliefs, as he has no problems with stepping in to save someone else, but more that he hates it when someone does it without thinking of the loved ones they leave behind, and how they put everything on them to deal with the fallout because they "stuck to their belief".
What makes Felix infuriating to me is that he doesn't seem to understand that the thing he hates the most, is something he does without even noticing it! In a few of his supports he puts himself in mortal danger to save someone else, relying on his skills to not actually be in danger when he does it, but completely overlooks that if he slipped up or got caught by surprise, he would have died for the same reason he hates the thought of knighthood... He is basicly a walking contradiction, dismissing ideas and ideals, that he actually lives by without realizing it!
Ah yes, the most hated person out of these three.
Edgy Felix
(Jokes aside, love the video dude, keep it up!)
...I found Azama incredibly likable and he was my second favourite character in Fates aside from Forrest. Personally I always saw his teasing as more akin to the wise monk that humbles other characters trope but I guess other people didn't.
honestly i really thought that in Ashe and Felix's b support, i really thought Felix was mean enough to make Ashe snap and drop the F-bomb. disappointed that didnt happen but can you imagine being irritable enough to make someone like Ashe curse? lol
The only thing that prevents me from throwing Shinon into a deadly mob without any weapon or item is basic human decency. Most of the time, I just use Rolf and forget he exists. Seriously, screw that guy.
I called Felix tsundere
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@@the24thcolossusjustchillin39 nothing much, you?
They would be more hated if they weren't good units stats wise... lol
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Indeed.
I would dislike Lithis (because he's frankly a scumbag)... Except he's so useful.
I always loved Felix throughout my first playthrough of Azure Moon. I knew he was an asshole, but considering his points on how chivalry leads to romanticizing the dead, and how he was completely alone in finding that repulsive among his Blue Lions peers, plus his struggles with expressing his true emotions with other people, I really identified with him. His sexism with Ingrid bothered me, but I looked past it at the time because I was already so invested in his character. This video offered a new perspective to me about what really makes Felix flawed as a character, and it inspired me to look at him with more scrutiny. People are free to love or hate Felix as they please, but I think this video has taught me that my own feelings are like a mix of the two. He's such a wonderfully, hatefully, complicated character, and your perspective was really valuable. Thank you for that!
Drunk Shinon is so funny
Shinon you're drunk go home
I like Felix because he doesn't have time for peoples bullshit even if he's a ass about it. He might be wrong, but he's one of very few in three houses that isn't afraid to call somebody out.
I gotta say, Jakob is kind of an asshole at times too. There were times where I wanted to fire him as my butler because he was just plain rude to the others. As for Felix, I always did like him. I had trouble really understanding why he detested Dimitri until their A support where I realized that he was still really lost and confused as to what happened to his childhood friend. A big part of his character is that the past changed him permanently and unlike Dimitri, he was the realist that acted as a foil to Dimitri with how he was always in his own head and focused on the hate he feels for himself. I always saw him as an effective foil for Dimitri because he went through the Tragedy of Duscur and came out the opposite. Even so, he was still very much hurt over losing his brother and for Dimitri turning into a savage when he suppressed the rebellions in Faerghus. That was what made me realize how important Felix is to Dimitri and to Faerghus overall. But until I got to that A support all I had to tell him was "Leave Dimitri alone! Leave him alone!"
i agree with most of what you said, but i have to make a minor correction. felix was never in the tragedy of duscur. he was certainly affected by it, but he never witnessed it himself. the trauma comes from learning his brother died, and his father glorifying said death. dimitri witnessed the massacre firsthand, and ended up severely mentally damaged because of it. felix is still sane, just bitter
@@Underworlder5 I know. I never said he went through it first hand. Everyone in the Kingdom except probably Mercedes went through the Tragedy's effects. I was just saying that like the others, it impacted him greatly. I could tell from the beginning that the Tragedy of Duscur changed everything since Dimitri used to be the one Felix clung to the most (from their dining dialogue I think). But I do appreciate that you bothered to even read my little comment. And I'm glad you paid attention to the things I said for a game. Sorry I didn't word it better.
@@damonrichardson1999 i see. "he went through the tragedy of duscur" could easily be read as that he experienced it himself. "affected by" would probably be better wording
Felix is character that was personally interesting to me. On the surface level yeah, he is 100% a asshole to everyone and most of his ire being directed to Dimitri and his Father as well.
I understand why he is upset. losing glenn someone he really loved and respected.
Felix never quite got over Glenn's death and the game reflects this really well in Azure Moon War arc and his later supports where he lightens up bit.
Anyways, i guess your saving HER for last. God help us all talking about that irredeemable woman.
All three characters on this list really need a giant, exploding heart to set them straight. That is, if Azama doesn't make Elise snap her staff in half first.
Everyone gangster until Elise wants you dead.
@@lpfan4491 I have the dolls and plushies ready, just in case
Felix with a Blutgang....inch RESTING!!!!
Edit: Felix is my second fave character in 3H. I’ve used him every time cause I like him so much, but he is indeed a bonafide ass (a love-able one imo tho). You made some really good points. I didn’t even think about him having reads that are bit off in his supports, but I guess that’s true. In his defense though, he got a lot right with his monastery dialogue lol, and his supports with Annette, Bernie, and Lysie are sweet bc they all break down his “edgy” shell and he’s just a regular dude who has kind moments with them. I remember him correctly guessing that Jeritza was the Death Knight and being spot on about Dimitri’s unfortunate descent into madness. He’s very self-aware imo. Also, Felix’s & Seteth’s support is one of my favorites in the game. I love the both of them, and I think Seteth delivers his best line there. Seteth gave him solid advice.
You know, I’ve decided I like Azama, because much like him, I also wish I could insult and bully the fates cast.
I swear someone needs to follow these characters around near constantly and smack them upside the head everytime they misbehave or act rude, or straight up drag them away and out the room by their scruff, when they step out of line, why does no one do this? Felix/Shinnon especially needs a proper mentor figure who can intervene in these moments and teach them to *chill out*, it would also be very funny to witness, would bring comedic value to an otherwise tense moment, breaking the tension.
I could probably see Virion, Lorenz and maybe Sylvain possibly being in later videos in this series
Virion is more so a coward that ran and frankly not trash level but not anything to respect.
Glad I married Cherche off to Fredrick since both are smile scary Lord's help that work perfectly together.
But i think it will be Henry. He hates Henry
@@ivanbluecool for Virion I may have just mis-remembered Sully hating him and just forgotten that it may have only possibly have been her that disliked him
@@rdrais3869 oh no many people dislike him. Chrom has trouble with him. Fredrick doesn't want to work for him. Most of the girls he tries to romance sees his as a creep and even cherche who is his assistant doesn't talk well of him either and that's not bringing up libra.
Sure he helped his people but he ran so that doesn't say much. Sully has every reason to be annoyed at virion as he flirts a lot and basically makes what inigo does look nice by comparison as inigo is at least shy.
@@ivanbluecool I mean if Virion stayed and fought he would've been slaughtered. Him running away stopped any rebellion which would've ended unsuccesfully and he joined the Shepards as Chrom had the army necessary to vage war. Him running away was the best decision and he ultimately still serves his people despite them hating him.
@@vanjagalovic3621 so he got chrom to have his army slaughtered for this idiot and Cherche his retainer was forced to stay while he in his own words ran away while keeping his identify a secret until right before walhart almost came over by sea to wage war on land which would have killed everyone yeah he is a hero(no he isn't)
Virion if he opened his mouth up in those TWO YEARS could have gotten chroms army more ready Instead of last minute asking vaildar who they didn't trust much for money and ships right after being attacked by dark mages which could have gotten more people killed in the home front before the sea battle while not providing anything but a pretty wife for Fredrick in Cherche and Batman.
Virion did everything wrong and lucky Cherche didn't leave and she said she was gonna anyways eventually but stayed for the people not for him same as how everyone treats him he deserved it and his ending serving whoever remained is justified for what he could have done better.
Virion is the type who breaks a glass bottom and then tries to patch it up thinking you should praise you for it when he should have not broken the bottle in the first place and hides it right until you need it.
No virion deserves everything that came to him and I feel for his people and Cherche who had to deal with him and regardless of running walhart took over anyways so he failed at stopping rebellions too as he was lucky Cherche was around at this flirting idiot.
Okay, but what about Hana? At least Felix, Azama and Shinon's unlikable natures were part of their character, but man, all that unwarranted shit Hana shit talked Corrin on made me insta-hate her. She's not getting off my radar
I would not say Dorathea is “much more worldly-wise”. Now was Felix in the wrong with her? Yes he was but she’s not “worldly-wise” as she thinks she knows how the world works and what’s the best for everyone when she obviously doesn’t. Her worldview is based on one group of nobles in one city in one part of one country which is only one power in only one continent in the world. Yet she act like she understands nobility and treats them as if they act this way but she’s proven wrong by Ferdinand since she finds out she misjudged someone. And then she doesn’t understand the importance that comes with marriage to nobility, making alliances, dowery, producing biological heirs that have access to a special abilities and items that are needed to protect the family, their people, and their country. I’m not saying this is a good system I’m saying it’s the system they have developed to survive and it’s how the world works.
Felix is one of those characters that's a huge fan favorite that I personally find absolutely abhorrent.
I wish most of the Bernadetta fanart wasn't shipping them my girl deserves better-
Great job Ghast. Enjoyable as always.
And even if Felix denies it - his hate towards Knights and Civalry is due to his grief of loosing his Brother due to this.
In his Mind people die unnecessarily, due to them reading up about heroes, and want to be like them.
He has a point - even if he's a bit jerky.
Also.. might it be that his slight sexism comes from the fact he didn't seem to have a.. motherfigure?
Do we learn about his mom?