Levels is the best sports podcast out hands down ✊️👌 Send off was the right call. Just because it's origin doesn't give it the right not to send him off. I understand the hype of origin and big games but no game is as Important as a person's well-being!
I am a Queenslander. I hated watching a game with a send off so early. I disagree that we’ve seen worse ones this season. I also disagree about the “slip” argument. I feel as if he leant back at speed to give himself more room to get the pass off before getting smashed. You’ve got people like Benny Elias saying pretty boy Reece is going to get destroyed by Madges team and I think NSW had it drummed in them all week to kill him legally. I think if play silly games you win silly prizes. The only way teams have figured out how to handle Reece is by rushing him and hurting him. The exact thing Penrith did to him and injured him for.
@@44shots6worldsyeah I do think his feet were sliding, I just don’t think he dropped a significant amount - especially if you’re not looking at him. If he didn’t slide I still think he’s cms off missing his chin. The whole things unfortunate but it was just super brutal, and it’s hard to see it happen to him twice in the last couple months
The slip argument doesn’t hold up. He only had a split second to try change his tackle, but they reckon Walsh dropped half a meter in said split second. 😂
maybe dive at his feet? What if he gets hurt then? Or gets hurt with a regular tackle under the ribs? There will be more wailing and gnashing of teeth.
@@44shots6worlds it doesn't matter if he was sliding or not, the only thing that matters is contact with the head. The only thing you can say about Reece slipping is a defence for Sualli that he didn't intentionally target Walsh's head. Contact with the head, off you go.
Respectfully, the only person who ruined the contest was Sualii. Unfortunate and hate to see it but it’s true. Went for a massive play and just got it wrong. QLD still win regardless IMO. The first try was a pretty good indicator of that. DCE and Hunt like a fine wine.
Boys that hit MUST be a send off. If you let those just be 10 in the bin we'll get way more reckless shots like it because it's worth being down a man for 10 minutes if you can take out a key playmaker on the opposition for the entire game.
@@Skizm56 nah if they got him hard in the ribs thats origin. If they had a scrap after same thing. Late, high, dangerous shoulder charge that's amateur keep that sh*t out of our game
Brain damage is brain damage whether it's in origin or not. Can't have two rules for normal games and not. You want protection of players from brain injuries - Qld lost Walshe for the game for hia rules is 10 mins off sufficient?
"Send off ruined the game". Tip - don't do something that gets you sent off. Pick Mitchell and you'll have another game where NSW will be down to 12 men for 60 minutes. And possibly pick a captain who plays more than 30 mins? Funny how Maguire hasn't copped any criticism for the way NSW played and his game management.
@poxmanful I mean Suaalii should've been more careful but also Walsh shouldn't of slipped over. Both are at fault in some capacity. Sin bin would've sufficed.
in Walsh’s minimal origins games, he has been targeted heavily and illegally: - tackled in air last year - flopped onto with shoulder to head by JAC - flopped 20 seconds late by TPJ after a penalty has been called - attempted coward punch by JAC - shoulder charged to the head by a edge defender rushing in rendering him on unconscious If one of these things happened to Cleary, you lot would call the police. There’s a clear plan to take him out of the game, Madge even had the pre-meditated get out of jail free card at the press conference - He broke his jaw this year and that wasn’t a sent off???
Kalyn Ponga was inches away from being medically retired due to head knocks recently. How many more hits to the head and failed head assessments can someone like Reece be expected to take, before people start talking that way about him? Player's careers are at risk here, and people are upset that 'it ruined the game'? WTF. That has to be a send off every time if we are going to take this seriously. Too many more hits like that can put a player's entire career into question. Origin or not, the brain doesn't know the difference. That 'slip' is nothing. Watch the footage again. His head does not get closer to the ground from the moment he plants his right foot to the moment he gets hit in the head. He was going to get knocked out regardless.
Hats off to you gents for keeping the player-bashing out of it today. I will say this - Nico got slammed for his play at right centre last year. WHY did the coaches and captain allow him to be carved in exactly the same way for so long again?! Baz for the blues. Just a point with cobbo on the bench...if you have a standard bench and a back goes down you're in strife unless you can activate no. 18. Put an appropriate back on the bench though and you will always have the cattle no matter the situation. If you activate 18th man with an outside back in your 17 then you've got the boxes ticked automatically.
If you think the Walsh hit is only a bin then how about next origin Cleary plays we send Collins at his legs when hes kicking, or do a hip drop on him, or just flog him so high and hard he goes catatonic. Collins to the bin for 10, Cleary out for the game or season, play on. This will be the regular if tackles like that are only 10 in the bin. Players will be a lot more reckless, especially against the better players if they only risk 10 minutes. Thought you boys would take head injurys more seriously if im being honest. Love the show but pretty disappointed.
Walsh isn't out for the season, he passed hia. Head contact was minimal because he threw himself backwards to avoid the tackle causing his feet to slip and his head hit the ground really hard and thats where the damage was done. He should have taken the hit
@@johnrambo8977 I don’t believe anyone has mentioned his feet leaving the ground, which instantly puts you in out of control mode, flying directly at a player… 100% send off
@@Someone-uh7ibwhen his feet left the ground his shoulder was dropped and level with Reece’s chest, in the 0.5 seconds that followed having his feet planted would have made no difference. We can’t say we love Origin because it’s a million miles an hour for 80 mins and then turn around and say nah he went at him too quick that’s a send off. If Walsh doesn’t slip that tackle goes the same way as Martins on Hipgrave in the second half.
Well did you watch it? Suali'i's arm wrapped around Walsh's back, that helps support a yellow card decision. Also you can intend to do a deliberately brutal tackle, the fact walsh slips is a mitigating factor that does not appear to be considered anywhere in this process.
dont disagree at all mate but why cant you tackle a bloke with body/shoulder first it happens most hit ups the defender braces with there body. not disagreeing just saying if a bloke runs straight im going body/shoulder first to put a hit on and make a play
@@AaronPickering-j4l Only thing I can think of is he left his feet, There was 0 chance of him readjusting his angle, probably might of not dipped in time him he was on his feet, but you probably should only leave you feet when you are diving to make a tackle from behind.
@@AaronPickering-j4l You're stupid if you believe he "had to jam at full speed" - no, he was most likely told during watching game tape of Reece, if you see this sweep play and you get the opportunity, lay him out. He most certainly didn't have to jam, he could have kept sliding defence and marked up Cobbo. Instead he decided that "he was the man", I'm on debut, let me show how strong I am. He decided to shoot out of the line. He didn't need to jam at all. If it were Tedesco, we'd be hearing a different story all of a sudden. Grow up clown, Joseph chose to do what he did, he got it wrong, made dangerous contact with the head of a player, GTFO.
@thomasrodwell563 except Reece's body height didn't change. If sualili didn't have time to change his body height, neither did Reece, thw logic is flawed. Sualili left his feet, shoulder charged, took his eyes off the defender and hit nothing but head.
6:13 sorry guys. Don’t agree with 10 minutes. Just because it’s origin doesn’t mean all the rules are a little more lenient. A player hits the head of their opponent, with their shoulder, it’s a send off. No matter the colour of the jersey, that was a send off. I understand it’s a split second decision by the defender and it may not be intentional, but it’s still a send off because the shoulder contacted the head. My grandsons’ under 8s game is refereed to penalise contact with the head. The rule is there for a reason.
Bra he didn't even hit him in the head he hit him at the top of the chest. It was shoulder to chest, it just looked extravagant cos Walsh was slipping at an angle and his head whiplashed back. Honestly at the speed Suallii hit him at if Walsh was hit in the head he would have a fracture or a cut atleast. HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A BRUISE!!!
@@boyd269 Bra if he hit him in the chin with his shoulder his chin woulda been split open. You see the speed he went at him? Cunts get cut from head knocks at slower speeds than that
Massive respect for you boys but this is such a bad take and probably the first time I strongly disagree with your takes, how can you disagree with the send off just because it’s origin and Walsh was slipping, obviously the game plan was to take out Walsh and Sualii got the tackle wrong didn’t attempt to wrap n smashes straight in to Walsh’s head like a high speed motorcycle crash bloke flew like superman! Saying he shouldn’t of been sent because it’s origin is basically saying you should be able to knock people out n not get sent off all of a sudden you have the advantage because the opposition loose there strike power take responsibility that your guy fucked up n cost you the game it was a horrendous tackle end of if Walsh fractures his skull there suallii probs dosnt play league for a good 10 week at least if you want to put on a shot n change the momentum do a Liam Martin yeah the game was ruined but that’s the tacklers fault not the referees. If that’s not a send off in Origin then what is ?
If Reece doesn't dip at the very last second it's play on and a textbook ball and all tackle. Sualli wrapped his arms around him front on. No stiff arm, no side on shoulder charge. If Reece doesnt dip it's play on
He didn’t wrap his leading arm that’s clear was all shoulder and an origin tackle is Liam Martins on Hopgood sualli tried an origin hit n got it all wrong it’s a straight up send off if that happened to tedesco it would be the same call get over it your man fucked up massively
Good work Josh trying to talk some sense to Willie on that call. I get it. We’re all passionate, but it was the right all every day. Well done Klein for having the balls to make the right call.
Boys Reece did not pass his HIA, seems there’s confusion on that. He automatically failed his HIA by being knocked out cold unconscious and was never going to be allowed to go back on the field, been trying to clarify that, it seems he passed a HIA cognitive test but that was a secondary thing if that makes sense. Also, I disagree Reece slipping is what lowered him to the dangerous height, watch the replay enough in slow motion and this idea that the slip was what made the tackle dangerous is ridiculous.
10 in the bin? Not to be overly dramatic, but if Sua'auli'i did a full flying shoulder missile at Walsh's head and killed Walsh, 10 minutes would be a joke right? So if there is a degree of actual death (people do die from that sort of force to the head) then penalties have to be imposed that will deter other players from doing it again in the future. If someone attempts to murder someone, you don't say "owell, he missed with his gun, all's well that ends well" . No, you impose penalties harsh enough that will discourage other people from exhibiting that action later on.
Ref made the right decision. Getting a bit sick of bashing the ref for following the rules. If JS gets to play on after knocking out Walshy for the game, its going to open up the path for cheap shots. Also, doesnt matter how tall anyone is. And though he was sliding, he barely lost any height in the slip. Wouldnt have made a difference, still would have copped it in the head.
Tyran Wishart reminds me of a young Cooper Cronk I'd have him in origin for game 3. His running game opens it up in the 2nd half he runs hard and will keep learning how to run a game with his spine players
CTE is too big of an issue now to be ruling concussions differently to regular NRL rounds. I understand the passion, but Myles needed to keep his mouth shut. There's nothing more cringe than a trainer or official chirping to a player. I said the same when the Penrith trainer was doing it. If you're not on the field, zip it.
@shane1899 What a ridiculous comment. He was out as soon as contact was made. Just like a boxers punch. Hopgood was hit with just as much force, where was the concussion from the whiplash there? There are rules to minimise risks, and direct, forceful contact with the head is one of them.
@@shane1899100% and that’s why boxers suffer so much. It’s the 100,000 jabs they take over their career from training and fights that do the cte damage, not the handful of hooks / crosses that turn your lights out.
@@shane1899 Bro, a concussion is what causes CTE. A concussion can come from frontal trauma or a whiplash effect. It's the same thing. Both cause the brain to bang against the inside of your skull. In this case, what caused the concussion was the blow to his head. The game has to take precautions to minimise risks or there won't be a game. His shoulder landed flush on his head at high speed and he left his feet. It's a send-off every day of the week!
So what you’re saying is that a player should be able to take a player out of the game, by performing an illegal tackle, and then turn around and continue playing 10 minutes later? Is that really the way NSW fans wanted to win that game?
Willie Mason, I love him as a player - but he’s from a different time . . . Times are different now, that’s just the way it goes. It’s a send-off. It’s bad luck for Suaalii. But these old knuckleheads need to keep up with the times.
maybe in Origin they could do the red card option you guys mentioned it’s also in Pacific Super Rugby Red cards are you’re out for the game but you can be replaced after 20 minutes.
Hey brothas! Day one listener and supporter! OG uncle Willie can you please apologise for your cowboys v Wahs prediction. Plus13?? Come on uncle! Up Da Wahs!!! Keep the faith uncle! We only just getting our top players back, boys got some confidence, are the boys a genuine top side now? Love to hear your thoughts after the big cows win.
Do send offs become 20 mins with 12 men in origin, since it’s best of 3. The player doesn’t come back but a bench player can come on to make it 13v13 after the 20 mins and the bench is limited to 3 for remainder of game.
@@nz.co_2332 not about win or loss. It’s the biggest revenue maker in the league. You don’t want to hurt the product. Nrl wants people tuning in not turning it off after 7 mins in.
Blues completed when they put 3 in the tackle - every time only 2 made a tackle, QLD rolled.. Interchanges could have kept up the level of D, but it was almost impossible to attack with 12 against one of the most lethal teams
@@glenwilkie5765 How? Lol we lost our fb for the whole game and arrow assaulted him on the ground too. Gagai attacked Burton (completely intentionally) doesn't get a red card but Sualii does? Queensland logic is hilarious 😂😂 all emotion, no logic
Lads, L1 since Day 1. Quick Question regarding Brandon Smith at the Roosters. You boys have alluded to this in past when a club wants to part ways with a player. I'm curious how B Smith being a no show to a meeting reaches the public domain? Is this the beginning of the end? If he were to leave the club, where could you see him being a better fit? Do you think he would have many suitors or is he a risk considering his reputation off the field. Cheers.
Say hypothetically it was just a sin bin. Then what would a bloke have to do to get sent off?? Future games will have designated hit men to injure the playmakers and then be happy to sit out for only 10 minutes. This has only become a discussion because he did it in the 7th minute, if it was anytime after the 50th minute blues wouldn’t even be arguing the grading. It’s a clear send off every minute of the game. Suaalii chose to risk a big shot early and the responsibility is on him to get it right.
Lads! Been really intrigued by the fact numerous people have used the example that if that was someone else on Teddy, you’d want them sent off not given 10 in the Bin, because you’re without your fullback and a back rower would have to play centre. As a New South Welshman, 10 in the bin would suffice, due to the slip and it being origin, not to mention the fact it would most likely be Critta to Fullback, and due to losing Teddy to foul play we would activate our 18th man as Queensland did with Kaufusi, and Burto would’ve filled that centre roll. Just surprised that everyone has seemed to forgotten if the shoe was on the other foot we would’ve been able to utilise Burton. Regardless, still a nasty result to that tackle and hope Walsh doesn’t miss too many games, Love the show fellas
Appreciate the highlight at the beginning of the show fellas. My thanks is probably going to get drowned out though in all the comments this go around since there are so many more than usual right now. Good problem to have right?! Anyways, I appreciate the level headed approach to what is a pretty nuanced issue for Rugby League, and how you guys discussed the issues. I have seen some pretty dishonest takes at this point about the whole thing so it's nice to know that some people will still acknowledge there were 3 parties that got damaged in all of this, not just the guys on the field. And for everybody banging on the refs on this one, they did everything 100% correct, this is not on them. Joe hit Reece in the head, period, it's a send off, it's a big shame for Joe and Reece, no way those guys wanted to miss that game. And Joe was clearly amped up, there was a hit up that Joe took a bit before the incident happened, and I think I heard the impact here in the states when Joe did the hit up, dude was ready to go. It was right after the lifting penalty early in the game. Anyways I digress, not the refs fault and good on AK and the bunker for sticking to their guns on this one probably knowing what they were fixing to do to the game and how much and affect it was fixing to have. They need to change how the rule works. And not just for origin, some folks have said JUST origin is where they need to change the rule. No, it needs to change in the NRL too. Solid podcast guys, as usual.
They don’t make them like the OG triple OG any more. The excitement levels of playing your first test, Then partying with uncle Wiremu after would have made memories that nobody would forget! Being Kiwi myself, I remember thinking, fuck, the OG Afro rocking man mountain looks like a vibe. Backing up from test/origin would be tough. But keeping up with unky on a late night on lash would make it worth it!
Maybe a form of hawk eye to gauge the height of tackle and if the player slides and lowers themselves into the tackle it could help make better outcomes whether it's penalty, 10 in the bin or off ya go. Regardless, leading with the should, no attempt to wrap around the tackle minimum 10 and at least Reece was all good in the end
Hynes will never touch a blues jersey again and Ashley Klein must give some good head to Graham Ainsley. I’m an arm chair expert. Cry some more. Moses to 7. Luai 6.
I totally get where Mase is coming from a fans stand point but it’s about consistency!! This comes down to Suali’i and his attention to detail when making that tackle. If Walsh gets back up right after the tackle then yes yellow at best but the bloke was nearly decapitated and was seeing stars. Yes it’s Origin but it’s not 1978 anymore. Accountability lad’s accountability.
If suali went as low as Liam Martin did on hopgood it would have been the tackle of the decade…he chose to go high! Which is what the instructions would have been pre game, if he doesn’t slip he still gets tackled on chest…so much could have gone wrong with the tackle and it did…Why no one is talking about this is beyond me!
Hey lads, with Reece Walsh out due to his concussion protocols he may not play until origin 2. Would it be crazy if he Billy doesn’t use him for game 2 and plays hammer back there with cobbo to start in the centres? Also love the poddy but we need some state of origin merch!
Hey boys, really appreciate the content and your insight on the game. This question is for Willie Mason, do you feel like Origin has lost that grunt ? I know rules have changed completely since you were playing but I feel like they’ve ruined origin as players are a little more conservative and I trying to prevent any issues from arising on the field. I just don’t think that rivalry is still there even though the game had some big hits I just feel like there’s not enough of that niggling and trying to really belt each other than just tackling hard and playing to the rules.
By the way, to quicky counter the 12 man excuse. The roosters had Dominic Young sent off against the bulldogs in the 26th minute this year. The roosters lost by 4 (with 4 linebreaks and 26 points). Last year, Mo Fotuaika was sent off in the 16th minute and the titans lost by 10. Meanwhile the NSW blues lost by the largest margin despite having the most possession and highest ball control of those teams... NSW scored two tries from kicks and 1 linebreak to seven...
@@xxikhjxxiiujx3441he's right tho. Sualilis bad reads that got him sent also let in the first try. It was gonna be a bath on that edge regardless, sualili had nothing for hammer and walsh
Rated a send off in any game but here is a fix, he gets sent but you can replace him from the bench, loss of a bench player meaning 13 on the field and 3 bench. Toads activate 18 so they still have 13 on the field and 4 bench. Toads have an advantage but the game doesn't suffer. He still fronts the MRC and gets whatever punishment they decide.
Then every team starts bringing in one thug player whose only job is to intentionally knock out the opponent's key player. Game has to punish the whole team for illegal play or coaches will exploit it.
I appreciate that you're trying to find a compromise to uneven contests (13 v 12), but let's put your suggestion through a hypothetical role reversal. I'm guessing you're from NSW. Wind the clock forward by one year (2025) and we are now playing SOO Game 1 at Suncorp. Within the first few sets of the game, Cleary does a kick down field. At the same time, a Qld forward comes through and absolutely cleans him up. Clearly is badly concussed and can no longer play. NSW get to activate their 18th player. Qld player is sent off, however QLD is allowed to bring on another forward on to replace the sent off player. Of course QLD will only have to play the remainder of the game with one player less on the bench. Now NSW have lost their star half back for the rest of the game!! The 18th player just happened to be a utility player or a forward. Now do you still feel NSW got a better outcome, especially when it was foul play from QLD? Even if you add 10 min sin bin time into the equation, I'm still not sure if QLD completely lost out in the long run. I'm reckon NSW supporters will still feel they got the royal pickle from this compromise.
It feels like head contact rules seems so much more relaxed in the NRL compared to SL. Sua'lii deserved the red, he is responsible for effecting a proper tackle and it shouldn't matter whether it's an amateur game or Origin, the rules should be implied the same way
Do you think in origin instead of send offs it should be a sub off where the player gets subbed off and can’t return but someone from the Bench can come back on. Leaving them a man down on the bench.
Blame the Reff for doing his job great! Blame the reff for your NSW player whose on 30k mind you for 80mins failing to do he’s job, make it make sense 😅😂
The rule is the problem, because the same offence get's a different level of punishment depending how early in the game it happens. So it's a rule that can never be consistent in-terms of the punishment. What should happen is: a) the player is out of the game b) the team is a player down for 10 mins c) after 10 mins another player can come on to bring the team up-to full strength
Tech no.1 poddy..Maso the MCGovernor pinching the NFL games as well...did you go to Nfl preseason at Accor in 1999 Broncos Chargers? 110000 old wide stadium format soldout as well mate
Hey boys curious on your thoughts regarding Galvin reportedly requesting his release? Given his age and ability he’s shown at his young age/benji less than a year into coaching with someone of luai’s calibre arriving next year what message does it send to his team mates/fans? Issac moses is also his manager who’s another can of worms entirely, would love to get your opinions l1 since day 1 💙
SoO is a 3 game series in this situation it should be player sent off - team down to 12 men for 10 minutes - bench player comes on to make it 13 on 13 and interchange goes down to 3 players. I'm not saying he didn't deserve to be sent off, but the series was effectively over after 10 mins of the first game. 90% I can't be bothered watching the next 2 games. If Qld win game 2 then deffo not watching game 3
Hey Brothers, L1 from Day1. With Jurbo, am I the only who noticed he was gassed and gave up a potential try saving tackle on Hammers 1st try? Is there a possibility that madge noticed and realized with a man down he was too slow to cover the extra space?
It's not like reece was trying to slip, as soon as I saw the tackle tho i thought instantly that's a send off, just unlucky for everyone but right decision in my opinion.
As a fan, the rise in Class Actions from former professional players in the NFL, RFU has now put the contact football code administrators on notice to show cause that they’re genuine with their players welfare. Hopefully the NRL will make adjustments to the “foul/ reckless play”send off rules to allow the game to return to an even contest eg. after 20 minutes the sent off player can be replaced. Again, hopefully!!
Always a send off. The tackler has full responsibility - If he hits the head, he has to go, otherwise it legitamises and rewards illegal negative dangerous play. Blame the NSW coaches instead.
Geez boys a week in rugby league is a long time. Warriors just knocked off panthers and dolphins going into the bye. I’m taking on OG warriors 13 plus may the best man win 🤝
Hey boys, In some rugby union competitions like Major league rugby (USA) and super rugby Pacific (nz & aus) red card means u lose the player for 20 mins and can replace the player. But also a big part of that rule is that when u are given 10 on the bin, the bunker watches and can upgrade to red card of they believe it deserves a red. do u think that rule specifically can be added to nrl, so the ref can give 10 on the bin and the bunker can upgrade to red if they deem it as a worthy of red. I think it's a rule that takes the pressure of the ref and they can make the sin bin call straight away and gives bunker time to factor everything in e.g Reece falling as suaalii hit him. I think it was send off worthy but I really think it's a rule nrl can bring into play so there's not so much push back on the ref
Hey boys! just heard buzz carry on nrl 360 and say "nsw put a target on Walsh." like its any different to QLD targeting Hynes. im 99% sure no player goes out to do that. buzz also seem to have no problem in thousands of supporters leaving at half time, I think they should be able to send off a player and replace them. what's your thoughts?
There was a game plan to rock Walsh. A rookie, charged up by the emotion of the big stage. The moment presented Suaalii with an opportunity to fulfil that assignment and lay him out. A few centimetres lower he would have had a potential game-turning moment in NSW's favour + he would have a highlight reel for the ages again in favour of Suaalii, and potentially put fear in Walsh. However, he got it wrong and shouldered Walsh's head in a flying motion, Full stop. It is a game of inches. A heavy price to pay to achieve one assignment.
If you aim under the ball like a proper tackling technique, then you don't have an issue. If you aim above the ball and the attacker slips, you are going to get in trouble. Throw in that you have 2 players running at speed towards each other, and then things can easily go wrong.
I feel as though people are missing the point. When you hit someone in the head intentionally, it’s a send off. When you clearly see that Joseph was not aiming to take his head of but did hit him in the head, it’s a sin bin. To Horo’s point about what locky said, it doesnt matter if it’s the 77th or 7th minute. This changes the outcome of the game. QLD seem to forget what jai arrow did to Teddy after he was knocked out.
I love how most of the NSW supporters are "Just think of the magnitude of the game, finesse the rules a bit cause it suites us". Who doesn't want to see all ins and massive shoulder charges, its illegal for a reason; play to the rules or expect to be sent off
Levels is the best sports podcast out hands down ✊️👌
Send off was the right call. Just because it's origin doesn't give it the right not to send him off. I understand the hype of origin and big games but no game is as Important as a person's well-being!
I am a Queenslander. I hated watching a game with a send off so early. I disagree that we’ve seen worse ones this season. I also disagree about the “slip” argument. I feel as if he leant back at speed to give himself more room to get the pass off before getting smashed. You’ve got people like Benny Elias saying pretty boy Reece is going to get destroyed by Madges team and I think NSW had it drummed in them all week to kill him legally. I think if play silly games you win silly prizes. The only way teams have figured out how to handle Reece is by rushing him and hurting him. The exact thing Penrith did to him and injured him for.
Mate you could clearly see his feet sliding 💀Joey already committed to the tackle before Reece passed it
@@44shots6worldsyeah I do think his feet were sliding, I just don’t think he dropped a significant amount - especially if you’re not looking at him. If he didn’t slide I still think he’s cms off missing his chin. The whole things unfortunate but it was just super brutal, and it’s hard to see it happen to him twice in the last couple months
The slip argument doesn’t hold up. He only had a split second to try change his tackle, but they reckon Walsh dropped half a meter in said split second. 😂
maybe dive at his feet? What if he gets hurt then? Or gets hurt with a regular tackle under the ribs? There will be more wailing and gnashing of teeth.
@@44shots6worlds it doesn't matter if he was sliding or not, the only thing that matters is contact with the head. The only thing you can say about Reece slipping is a defence for Sualli that he didn't intentionally target Walsh's head. Contact with the head, off you go.
Respectfully, the only person who ruined the contest was Sualii. Unfortunate and hate to see it but it’s true. Went for a massive play and just got it wrong.
QLD still win regardless IMO. The first try was a pretty good indicator of that. DCE and Hunt like a fine wine.
Boys that hit MUST be a send off. If you let those just be 10 in the bin we'll get way more reckless shots like it because it's worth being down a man for 10 minutes if you can take out a key playmaker on the opposition for the entire game.
That’s origin
@@Skizm56 nah if they got him hard in the ribs thats origin. If they had a scrap after same thing. Late, high, dangerous shoulder charge that's amateur keep that sh*t out of our game
Brain damage is brain damage whether it's in origin or not. Can't have two rules for normal games and not. You want protection of players from brain injuries - Qld lost Walshe for the game for hia rules is 10 mins off sufficient?
Soft how many times they knocked out teddy? How many times they knocked out Murray.. how many red cards did they get?
@@Wassup1995they get knocked out from a shoulder to the head ? yeah stfu hold my nuts
You have to get checked.. pretty sure you have brain damage.
Qld activated 18th man so didn't lose anything.
It's a contact sport... it's not John Hopoate jumping into Keith Galloways head with a forearm...10mins in the bin was the right call.
Asss they get an extra man no it’s not fair
Billy Slater again proved he's a genius
Uh huh, he planned that nsw would be 12 men, he’s such a genius
@@etpc2023 blues were getting torched regardless, that edge got towelled their first run down that edge, when you had 13, sualili just gave you an out
@@etpc2023slater got questioned numerous times why he picked cobbo on the bench.. Walsh getting inquired was a mastestroke 100%
Yep.Cobbo on the bench was very smart!
It's basic maths
"Send off ruined the game". Tip - don't do something that gets you sent off. Pick Mitchell and you'll have another game where NSW will be down to 12 men for 60 minutes. And possibly pick a captain who plays more than 30 mins? Funny how Maguire hasn't copped any criticism for the way NSW played and his game management.
willie for fuck sake cmon . Suali, only intention was to take out walsh , it seems like you guys are blaming the guy who got knocked out
Yes his intention was to take him out legally
@poxmanful I mean Suaalii should've been more careful but also Walsh shouldn't of slipped over. Both are at fault in some capacity. Sin bin would've sufficed.
@@timecapsuleearth2960 where were the arms in the tackle then?
@@isaiahcoe6532 yes good point
in Walsh’s minimal origins games, he has been targeted heavily and illegally:
- tackled in air last year
- flopped onto with shoulder to head by JAC
- flopped 20 seconds late by TPJ after a penalty has been called
- attempted coward punch by JAC
- shoulder charged to the head by a edge defender rushing in rendering him on unconscious
If one of these things happened to Cleary, you lot would call the police. There’s a clear plan to take him out of the game, Madge even had the pre-meditated get out of jail free card at the press conference - He broke his jaw this year and that wasn’t a sent off???
Kalyn Ponga was inches away from being medically retired due to head knocks recently. How many more hits to the head and failed head assessments can someone like Reece be expected to take, before people start talking that way about him? Player's careers are at risk here, and people are upset that 'it ruined the game'? WTF. That has to be a send off every time if we are going to take this seriously. Too many more hits like that can put a player's entire career into question. Origin or not, the brain doesn't know the difference. That 'slip' is nothing. Watch the footage again. His head does not get closer to the ground from the moment he plants his right foot to the moment he gets hit in the head. He was going to get knocked out regardless.
Players know what they’ve signed up for, go play netball
If Reece never slipped would be a great shot
nsw FANS DON'T CARE about a player's career being finished due to a high hit
Hats off to you gents for keeping the player-bashing out of it today.
I will say this - Nico got slammed for his play at right centre last year. WHY did the coaches and captain allow him to be carved in exactly the same way for so long again?! Baz for the blues.
Just a point with cobbo on the bench...if you have a standard bench and a back goes down you're in strife unless you can activate no. 18. Put an appropriate back on the bench though and you will always have the cattle no matter the situation. If you activate 18th man with an outside back in your 17 then you've got the boxes ticked automatically.
If you think the Walsh hit is only a bin then how about next origin Cleary plays we send Collins at his legs when hes kicking, or do a hip drop on him, or just flog him so high and hard he goes catatonic. Collins to the bin for 10, Cleary out for the game or season, play on.
This will be the regular if tackles like that are only 10 in the bin. Players will be a lot more reckless, especially against the better players if they only risk 10 minutes.
Thought you boys would take head injurys more seriously if im being honest. Love the show but pretty disappointed.
Walsh isn't out for the season, he passed hia. Head contact was minimal because he threw himself backwards to avoid the tackle causing his feet to slip and his head hit the ground really hard and thats where the damage was done. He should have taken the hit
@@mikethebreezewatch the replay mate, it’s flush on the chin. Joseph completely left the ground and has no control.
@@mikethebreeze So.... you obviously weren't watching lmao
@@johnrambo8977 I don’t believe anyone has mentioned his feet leaving the ground, which instantly puts you in out of control mode, flying directly at a player… 100% send off
@@Someone-uh7ibwhen his feet left the ground his shoulder was dropped and level with Reece’s chest, in the 0.5 seconds that followed having his feet planted would have made no difference. We can’t say we love Origin because it’s a million miles an hour for 80 mins and then turn around and say nah he went at him too quick that’s a send off. If Walsh doesn’t slip that tackle goes the same way as Martins on Hipgrave in the second half.
There had to a sanction.When the tacklers hands and arms are not in fron of his own torso the intent of the tackle is to be deliberately brutal.
Well did you watch it? Suali'i's arm wrapped around Walsh's back, that helps support a yellow card decision.
Also you can intend to do a deliberately brutal tackle, the fact walsh slips is a mitigating factor that does not appear to be considered anywhere in this process.
@c0br4mckewl lol did you watch it at point of contact his arm no where near wrapped around walsh
dont disagree at all mate but why cant you tackle a bloke with body/shoulder first it happens most hit ups the defender braces with there body. not disagreeing just saying if a bloke runs straight im going body/shoulder first to put a hit on and make a play
@@marcwells5269it was.
@@marcwells5269you’re lying and you know it.
JS needs to watch how Liam Martin tackles. Same style of tackle but Martin technique is perfect and not reckless.
What was reckless about it ?
He had to jam at full speed? There was no Elbow.. No cheap shot, Reece slipped down and was unfortunate to hit the head
@@AaronPickering-j4l Only thing I can think of is he left his feet, There was 0 chance of him readjusting his angle, probably might of not dipped in time him he was on his feet, but you probably should only leave you feet when you are diving to make a tackle from behind.
@@AaronPickering-j4l You're stupid if you believe he "had to jam at full speed" - no, he was most likely told during watching game tape of Reece, if you see this sweep play and you get the opportunity, lay him out. He most certainly didn't have to jam, he could have kept sliding defence and marked up Cobbo. Instead he decided that "he was the man", I'm on debut, let me show how strong I am. He decided to shoot out of the line. He didn't need to jam at all. If it were Tedesco, we'd be hearing a different story all of a sudden. Grow up clown, Joseph chose to do what he did, he got it wrong, made dangerous contact with the head of a player, GTFO.
@BASKET449 helps when the ball carrier doesn't slip over
@thomasrodwell563 except Reece's body height didn't change. If sualili didn't have time to change his body height, neither did Reece, thw logic is flawed. Sualili left his feet, shoulder charged, took his eyes off the defender and hit nothing but head.
Another thing I have noticed over the years is that Ashley Klein has never reffed a game where he wasn't the main story.
Only example needed is flegler getting a yellow game one last year, watch that clip and then try say it’s the same as last nights hit.
Im sorry but god that hit was 100% a send off Joseph went in flying. Even after the hit he was still in the air
Joseph was basically horizontal 100%. Reece was a target Thurston said”
Willie Roman gladiator days are historical and over, killing doesn't win games today, brains does.
6:13 sorry guys. Don’t agree with 10 minutes. Just because it’s origin doesn’t mean all the rules are a little more lenient. A player hits the head of their opponent, with their shoulder, it’s a send off. No matter the colour of the jersey, that was a send off. I understand it’s a split second decision by the defender and it may not be intentional, but it’s still a send off because the shoulder contacted the head. My grandsons’ under 8s game is refereed to penalise contact with the head. The rule is there for a reason.
Lads watch the replay in slow mo, Reece didn't drop that low at all, it was always going to be a high shot even if Reece didn't slip....
It was a wreck less tackle, why you having a cry about it for, why is the truth so hard to accept FMD
Bra he didn't even hit him in the head he hit him at the top of the chest. It was shoulder to chest, it just looked extravagant cos Walsh was slipping at an angle and his head whiplashed back. Honestly at the speed Suallii hit him at if Walsh was hit in the head he would have a fracture or a cut atleast. HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A BRUISE!!!
Bruh it was shoulder to chin, what are you talking about@@CamElRodriguezSnrJnrIII
@@boyd269 Bra if he hit him in the chin with his shoulder his chin woulda been split open. You see the speed he went at him? Cunts get cut from head knocks at slower speeds than that
@@CamElRodriguezSnrJnrIIIshould have gone to spec savers. Everyone else see it was direct contact. there’s nothing to debate
Nah he deserved to be sent . Sualii was off his feet
Agreed he was literally air born even after the hit. I love mase but that was so bias his opinion
launched himself
Loving your state so much, that you have to be told your not required and refusing to have retirement on your mind
Is pure qld passion
Massive shoutout to the boys doing this poddy after a big night
Mase said he went home and watched a replay. Was probably a quiet one.
Massive respect for you boys but this is such a bad take and probably the first time I strongly disagree with your takes, how can you disagree with the send off just because it’s origin and Walsh was slipping, obviously the game plan was to take out Walsh and Sualii got the tackle wrong didn’t attempt to wrap n smashes straight in to Walsh’s head like a high speed motorcycle crash bloke flew like superman! Saying he shouldn’t of been sent because it’s origin is basically saying you should be able to knock people out n not get sent off all of a sudden you have the advantage because the opposition loose there strike power take responsibility that your guy fucked up n cost you the game it was a horrendous tackle end of if Walsh fractures his skull there suallii probs dosnt play league for a good 10 week at least if you want to put on a shot n change the momentum do a Liam Martin yeah the game was ruined but that’s the tacklers fault not the referees. If that’s not a send off in Origin then what is ?
If Reece doesn't dip at the very last second it's play on and a textbook ball and all tackle.
Sualli wrapped his arms around him front on. No stiff arm, no side on shoulder charge. If Reece doesnt dip it's play on
Was an origin hit. That’s what the fans want to see. Just unfortunate that Walsh slipped
He didn’t wrap his leading arm that’s clear was all shoulder and an origin tackle is Liam Martins on Hopgood sualli tried an origin hit n got it all wrong it’s a straight up send off if that happened to tedesco it would be the same call get over it your man fucked up massively
@Jr23470 haha I think u have been hit in the head too many times. The same thing happened to teddy and there wasn't even a sin bin 😂😂😂
@jaycee571 he didn't dip. It was reckless and intended to harm. Lol it's not even remotely Walsh's fault. Nsw sperg logic.
Just clipped his head 😂😂 da fug Willie watching
Great podcast!!Some very good points especially with jake playing less minutes and having good communication in the middles at origin level.
Good work Josh trying to talk some sense to Willie on that call.
I get it. We’re all passionate, but it was the right all every day.
Well done Klein for having the balls to make the right call.
Loving the content guys keep it going
I get a little rattled (in a good way) when my question gets answered haha. Like I'm not expecting it. Thanks guys, appreciate all your hard work
Whether he hit him high or not. No arms in the tackle he had intent to flatten with a shoulder
His left arm wrapped around Walsh- before force propelled him over Walsh
Boys Reece did not pass his HIA, seems there’s confusion on that. He automatically failed his HIA by being knocked out cold unconscious and was never going to be allowed to go back on the field, been trying to clarify that, it seems he passed a HIA cognitive test but that was a secondary thing if that makes sense. Also, I disagree Reece slipping is what lowered him to the dangerous height, watch the replay enough in slow motion and this idea that the slip was what made the tackle dangerous is ridiculous.
Reece is literally at 45 degree angle with his feet out in front of him at contact
Not really, as that style of tackle is legal. Joseph is also 6 foot 5. If Cobbo was at fullback it is tackle of the century.
Wiremuuuuu!! I hope you were tipping the wahs 13+ love the podcast boyyysss long time listener keep at it 🤙🏽
10 in the bin? Not to be overly dramatic, but if Sua'auli'i did a full flying shoulder missile at Walsh's head and killed Walsh, 10 minutes would be a joke right? So if there is a degree of actual death (people do die from that sort of force to the head) then penalties have to be imposed that will deter other players from doing it again in the future.
If someone attempts to murder someone, you don't say "owell, he missed with his gun, all's well that ends well" . No, you impose penalties harsh enough that will discourage other people from exhibiting that action later on.
Exactly if that actioned happened off the field joe would be in jail
Ref made the right decision. Getting a bit sick of bashing the ref for following the rules.
If JS gets to play on after knocking out Walshy for the game, its going to open up the path for cheap shots.
Also, doesnt matter how tall anyone is. And though he was sliding, he barely lost any height in the slip. Wouldnt have made a difference, still would have copped it in the head.
Hoping this podcast blows up, nothing but good no bullshit footy talk like you'd have at the pub.
He was hitting his head regardless of the slip
Tyran Wishart reminds me of a young Cooper Cronk I'd have him in origin for game 3. His running game opens it up in the 2nd half he runs hard and will keep learning how to run a game with his spine players
CTE is too big of an issue now to be ruling concussions differently to regular NRL rounds. I understand the passion, but Myles needed to keep his mouth shut. There's nothing more cringe than a trainer or official chirping to a player. I said the same when the Penrith trainer was doing it. If you're not on the field, zip it.
@shane1899 What a ridiculous comment. He was out as soon as contact was made. Just like a boxers punch. Hopgood was hit with just as much force, where was the concussion from the whiplash there? There are rules to minimise risks, and direct, forceful contact with the head is one of them.
@@shane1899100% and that’s why boxers suffer so much. It’s the 100,000 jabs they take over their career from training and fights that do the cte damage, not the handful of hooks / crosses that turn your lights out.
@@shane1899 Bro, a concussion is what causes CTE. A concussion can come from frontal trauma or a whiplash effect. It's the same thing. Both cause the brain to bang against the inside of your skull. In this case, what caused the concussion was the blow to his head. The game has to take precautions to minimise risks or there won't be a game. His shoulder landed flush on his head at high speed and he left his feet. It's a send-off every day of the week!
So what you’re saying is that a player should be able to take a player out of the game, by performing an illegal tackle, and then turn around and continue playing 10 minutes later?
Is that really the way NSW fans wanted to win that game?
Willie Mason, I love him as a player - but he’s from a different time . . . Times are different now, that’s just the way it goes. It’s a send-off. It’s bad luck for Suaalii. But these old knuckleheads need to keep up with the times.
where do you draw the line?
Duty of care has to be on the attacking player no?
No, the defending player
maybe in Origin they could do the red card option you guys mentioned it’s also in Pacific Super Rugby Red cards are you’re out for the game but you can be replaced after 20 minutes.
Hey brothas! Day one listener and supporter! OG uncle Willie can you please apologise for your cowboys v Wahs prediction. Plus13?? Come on uncle! Up Da Wahs!!! Keep the faith uncle! We only just getting our top players back, boys got some confidence, are the boys a genuine top side now? Love to hear your thoughts after the big cows win.
Suaalii tackle🤮🤮🤮
Liam Martin tackle👍👍👍
Sualli's hit was illegal and deserved a send off, Martin's was legal and a good hit. You guys are fucking cooked with your shit takes.
Billy Slater is absolutely Goated Coach when it comes to these Games what a interchange bench he had and a tactical attack that never slowed down 😂
Clearest send off I can remember in years. It's not even up for debate.
10000 NSW "fans" walk out - great way to support your boys - speaks volumes about why they lose so often. Fortitude found wanting - again.
Hey boys nice jackets. Where do you buy those from 😊👍
Question for the boys!!! If suallii went from the arm wrap action do you think the punishment would of been less harsh
Maso is a staunch unt.... respect, Lets go Lomax lets go Blues
Do send offs become 20 mins with 12 men in origin, since it’s best of 3.
The player doesn’t come back but a bench player can come on to make it 13v13 after the 20 mins and the bench is limited to 3 for remainder of game.
Yeah, this is probably the best setup for Origin. Takes out the argument about ruining the game.
Don't cry you lost 😂
The best rule in Union.
@@nz.co_2332 not about win or loss.
It’s the biggest revenue maker in the league.
You don’t want to hurt the product.
Nrl wants people tuning in not turning it off after 7 mins in.
And how does Walsh come back on the field?
Morons.
Blues completed when they put 3 in the tackle - every time only 2 made a tackle, QLD rolled..
Interchanges could have kept up the level of D, but it was almost impossible to attack with 12 against one of the most lethal teams
Blame suaallii for ruining the contest 😂 walsh barely slipped. And it was shoulder directly to his face, what are you blokes watching?
Queenslanders lack critical thinking. When tedesco was knocked out by Arrow, none of you had an issue
@Jp-do9ny not even remotely comparable situations, but yeah, cool. 👍
@@Jp-do9ny Qlders just wanna win and they dont care how. They convince themselves that it was a fair game
@@glenwilkie5765 How? Lol we lost our fb for the whole game and arrow assaulted him on the ground too. Gagai attacked Burton (completely intentionally) doesn't get a red card but Sualii does? Queensland logic is hilarious 😂😂 all emotion, no logic
@@Jp-do9ny tedesco got knocked out from papali's knee to his head when he was pretty much a foot off the ground ya spastic lol.
You 2 good stuff great watchin
Lads, L1 since Day 1. Quick Question regarding Brandon Smith at the Roosters. You boys have alluded to this in past when a club wants to part ways with a player. I'm curious how B Smith being a no show to a meeting reaches the public domain? Is this the beginning of the end? If he were to leave the club, where could you see him being a better fit? Do you think he would have many suitors or is he a risk considering his reputation off the field. Cheers.
Blues should stop complaining & start preparing to win Game 2...Game 1 is history now
How important is the second rower to cover a half back in the defensive line?
Say hypothetically it was just a sin bin. Then what would a bloke have to do to get sent off?? Future games will have designated hit men to injure the playmakers and then be happy to sit out for only 10 minutes.
This has only become a discussion because he did it in the 7th minute, if it was anytime after the 50th minute blues wouldn’t even be arguing the grading. It’s a clear send off every minute of the game. Suaalii chose to risk a big shot early and the responsibility is on him to get it right.
Those varsity jackets are class 💯💯
Edit: they’re bomber jackets!
Lads! Been really intrigued by the fact numerous people have used the example that if that was someone else on Teddy, you’d want them sent off not given 10 in the Bin, because you’re without your fullback and a back rower would have to play centre. As a New South Welshman, 10 in the bin would suffice, due to the slip and it being origin, not to mention the fact it would most likely be Critta to Fullback, and due to losing Teddy to foul play we would activate our 18th man as Queensland did with Kaufusi, and Burto would’ve filled that centre roll. Just surprised that everyone has seemed to forgotten if the shoe was on the other foot we would’ve been able to utilise Burton. Regardless, still a nasty result to that tackle and hope Walsh doesn’t miss too many games, Love the show fellas
That did happen to Teddy in the past when he was falling…
Was a good origin tackle. Safety first. I reckon helmets and pads. Protect the player right. 👀
Appreciate the highlight at the beginning of the show fellas.
My thanks is probably going to get drowned out though in all the comments this go around since there are so many more than usual right now. Good problem to have right?!
Anyways, I appreciate the level headed approach to what is a pretty nuanced issue for Rugby League, and how you guys discussed the issues. I have seen some pretty dishonest takes at this point about the whole thing so it's nice to know that some people will still acknowledge there were 3 parties that got damaged in all of this, not just the guys on the field.
And for everybody banging on the refs on this one, they did everything 100% correct, this is not on them. Joe hit Reece in the head, period, it's a send off, it's a big shame for Joe and Reece, no way those guys wanted to miss that game. And Joe was clearly amped up, there was a hit up that Joe took a bit before the incident happened, and I think I heard the impact here in the states when Joe did the hit up, dude was ready to go. It was right after the lifting penalty early in the game. Anyways I digress, not the refs fault and good on AK and the bunker for sticking to their guns on this one probably knowing what they were fixing to do to the game and how much and affect it was fixing to have.
They need to change how the rule works. And not just for origin, some folks have said JUST origin is where they need to change the rule. No, it needs to change in the NRL too.
Solid podcast guys, as usual.
How do you watch the bird cam on 9now?
The TACKLE WAS NOT A TACKLE...the ball had gone....no arms, late and high....grub Suallii was in the air almost taking off his head
They don’t make them like the OG triple OG any more. The excitement levels of playing your first test, Then partying with uncle Wiremu after would have made memories that nobody would forget! Being Kiwi myself, I remember thinking, fuck, the OG Afro rocking man mountain looks like a vibe. Backing up from test/origin would be tough. But keeping up with unky on a late night on lash would make it worth it!
Before this round I was thinking the blues should have a Moses and Brooks halves pairing, both going great this year and have a junior connection
Maybe a form of hawk eye to gauge the height of tackle and if the player slides and lowers themselves into the tackle it could help make better outcomes whether it's penalty, 10 in the bin or off ya go. Regardless, leading with the should, no attempt to wrap around the tackle minimum 10 and at least Reece was all good in the end
Hynes will never touch a blues jersey again and Ashley Klein must give some good head to Graham Ainsley. I’m an arm chair expert. Cry some more.
Moses to 7. Luai 6.
I totally get where Mase is coming from a fans stand point but it’s about consistency!!
This comes down to Suali’i and his attention to detail when making that tackle. If Walsh gets back up right after the tackle then yes yellow at best but the bloke was nearly decapitated and was seeing stars. Yes it’s Origin but it’s not 1978 anymore. Accountability lad’s accountability.
If suali went as low as Liam Martin did on hopgood it would have been the tackle of the decade…he chose to go high! Which is what the instructions would have been pre game, if he doesn’t slip he still gets tackled on chest…so much could have gone wrong with the tackle and it did…Why no one is talking about this is beyond me!
😂😂😂
Hey lads, with Reece Walsh out due to his concussion protocols he may not play until origin 2. Would it be crazy if he Billy doesn’t use him for game 2 and plays hammer back there with cobbo to start in the centres? Also love the poddy but we need some state of origin merch!
Hey boys, really appreciate the content and your insight on the game. This question is for Willie Mason, do you feel like Origin has lost that grunt ? I know rules have changed completely since you were playing but I feel like they’ve ruined origin as players are a little more conservative and I trying to prevent any issues from arising on the field. I just don’t think that rivalry is still there even though the game had some big hits I just feel like there’s not enough of that niggling and trying to really belt each other than just tackling hard and playing to the rules.
Where can we cop the jackets brothers? 🔥
By the way, to quicky counter the 12 man excuse. The roosters had Dominic Young sent off against the bulldogs in the 26th minute this year. The roosters lost by 4 (with 4 linebreaks and 26 points). Last year, Mo Fotuaika was sent off in the 16th minute and the titans lost by 10. Meanwhile the NSW blues lost by the largest margin despite having the most possession and highest ball control of those teams... NSW scored two tries from kicks and 1 linebreak to seven...
Bro just compared the bulldogs to qld🤣🤣
@@xxikhjxxiiujx3441he's right tho. Sualilis bad reads that got him sent also let in the first try. It was gonna be a bath on that edge regardless, sualili had nothing for hammer and walsh
Lol when Queensland played with 12 in 2022 for 10 minutes, they let in even more points. What a stupid comparison
It’s state of origin mate switch on 😂
Club footy is not origin
Rated a send off in any game but here is a fix, he gets sent but you can replace him from the bench, loss of a bench player meaning 13 on the field and 3 bench.
Toads activate 18 so they still have 13 on the field and 4 bench. Toads have an advantage but the game doesn't suffer.
He still fronts the MRC and gets whatever punishment they decide.
The sin bin would also have to change
Fuckin Hoath Toadman
Then every team starts bringing in one thug player whose only job is to intentionally knock out the opponent's key player. Game has to punish the whole team for illegal play or coaches will exploit it.
I appreciate that you're trying to find a compromise to uneven contests (13 v 12), but let's put your suggestion through a hypothetical role reversal. I'm guessing you're from NSW.
Wind the clock forward by one year (2025) and we are now playing SOO Game 1 at Suncorp. Within the first few sets of the game, Cleary does a kick down field. At the same time, a Qld forward comes through and absolutely cleans him up. Clearly is badly concussed and can no longer play. NSW get to activate their 18th player.
Qld player is sent off, however QLD is allowed to bring on another forward on to replace the sent off player. Of course QLD will only have to play the remainder of the game with one player less on the bench.
Now NSW have lost their star half back for the rest of the game!! The 18th player just happened to be a utility player or a forward.
Now do you still feel NSW got a better outcome, especially when it was foul play from QLD?
Even if you add 10 min sin bin time into the equation, I'm still not sure if QLD completely lost out in the long run.
I'm reckon NSW supporters will still feel they got the royal pickle from this compromise.
It feels like head contact rules seems so much more relaxed in the NRL compared to SL. Sua'lii deserved the red, he is responsible for effecting a proper tackle and it shouldn't matter whether it's an amateur game or Origin, the rules should be implied the same way
Do you think in origin instead of send offs it should be a sub off where the player gets subbed off and can’t return but someone from the Bench can come back on. Leaving them a man down on the bench.
Blame the Reff for doing his job great! Blame the reff for your NSW player whose on 30k mind you for 80mins failing to do he’s job, make it make sense 😅😂
The rule is the problem, because the same offence get's a different level of punishment depending how early in the game it happens. So it's a rule that can never be consistent in-terms of the punishment. What should happen is: a) the player is out of the game b) the team is a player down for 10 mins c) after 10 mins another player can come on to bring the team up-to full strength
Tech no.1 poddy..Maso the MCGovernor pinching the NFL games as well...did you go to Nfl preseason at Accor in 1999 Broncos Chargers? 110000 old wide stadium format soldout as well mate
All seriousness aside for this chat for a minute but where in the world can we get those jackets.? 🙋🏾🔥
Bit off topic from Origin…. But when Panthers played Broncos back in R3. Walsh did the exact same slip and pass and got flattened out.
Hey boys curious on your thoughts regarding Galvin reportedly requesting his release? Given his age and ability he’s shown at his young age/benji less than a year into coaching with someone of luai’s calibre arriving next year what message does it send to his team mates/fans? Issac moses is also his manager who’s another can of worms entirely, would love to get your opinions l1 since day 1 💙
SoO is a 3 game series in this situation it should be player sent off - team down to 12 men for 10 minutes - bench player comes on to make it 13 on 13 and interchange goes down to 3 players. I'm not saying he didn't deserve to be sent off, but the series was effectively over after 10 mins of the first game. 90% I can't be bothered watching the next 2 games. If Qld win game 2 then deffo not watching game 3
Hey Brothers, L1 from Day1.
With Jurbo, am I the only who noticed he was gassed and gave up a potential try saving tackle on Hammers 1st try? Is there a possibility that madge noticed and realized with a man down he was too slow to cover the extra space?
😂😂it was also a ‘late’ tackle 😂😂 The late high shoulder charge.
If walsh died/couldnt play for good from that tackle would it be a different story about the sin bin?
It's not like reece was trying to slip, as soon as I saw the tackle tho i thought instantly that's a send off, just unlucky for everyone but right decision in my opinion.
IF Qld take out a NSW player in game 2, sin bin is ok right?
As a fan, the rise in Class Actions from former professional players in the NFL, RFU has now put the contact football code administrators on notice to show cause that they’re genuine with their players welfare. Hopefully the NRL will make adjustments to the “foul/ reckless play”send off rules to allow the game to return to an even contest eg. after 20 minutes the sent off player can be replaced. Again, hopefully!!
stop blaming the ref and start blaming the player who actually did it. Sualii ruined the game, not the ref.
Accurate comment
Agree
Always a send off. The tackler has full responsibility - If he hits the head, he has to go, otherwise it legitamises and rewards illegal negative dangerous play. Blame the NSW coaches instead.
Geez boys a week in rugby league is a long time. Warriors just knocked off panthers and dolphins going into the bye. I’m taking on OG warriors 13 plus may the best man win 🤝
What game were you people watching! Walsh Didn't slip! He clearly lined him up with his shoulder and took him out!
You need to look at slow motion footage old mate.
Hey boys, In some rugby union competitions like Major league rugby (USA) and super rugby Pacific (nz & aus) red card means u lose the player for 20 mins and can replace the player. But also a big part of that rule is that when u are given 10 on the bin, the bunker watches and can upgrade to red card of they believe it deserves a red. do u think that rule specifically can be added to nrl, so the ref can give 10 on the bin and the bunker can upgrade to red if they deem it as a worthy of red. I think it's a rule that takes the pressure of the ref and they can make the sin bin call straight away and gives bunker time to factor everything in e.g Reece falling as suaalii hit him. I think it was send off worthy but I really think it's a rule nrl can bring into play so there's not so much push back on the ref
Wouldn’t mind seeing for the suallii incident, 10 min sin bin but an extra week suspension or send off but 1 week off the suspension
Hey boys! just heard buzz carry on nrl 360 and say "nsw put a target on Walsh." like its any different to QLD targeting Hynes. im 99% sure no player goes out to do that. buzz also seem to have no problem in thousands of supporters leaving at half time, I think they should be able to send off a player and replace them. what's your thoughts?
There was a game plan to rock Walsh. A rookie, charged up by the emotion of the big stage. The moment presented Suaalii with an opportunity to fulfil that assignment and lay him out. A few centimetres lower he would have had a potential game-turning moment in NSW's favour + he would have a highlight reel for the ages again in favour of Suaalii, and potentially put fear in Walsh. However, he got it wrong and shouldered Walsh's head in a flying motion, Full stop. It is a game of inches. A heavy price to pay to achieve one assignment.
If you aim under the ball like a proper tackling technique, then you don't have an issue. If you aim above the ball and the attacker slips, you are going to get in trouble.
Throw in that you have 2 players running at speed towards each other, and then things can easily go wrong.
I feel as though people are missing the point. When you hit someone in the head intentionally, it’s a send off. When you clearly see that Joseph was not aiming to take his head of but did hit him in the head, it’s a sin bin. To Horo’s point about what locky said, it doesnt matter if it’s the 77th or 7th minute. This changes the outcome of the game. QLD seem to forget what jai arrow did to Teddy after he was knocked out.
I love how most of the NSW supporters are "Just think of the magnitude of the game, finesse the rules a bit cause it suites us". Who doesn't want to see all ins and massive shoulder charges, its illegal for a reason; play to the rules or expect to be sent off