Are You Fretting the Wrong Way? (Bass Fingering Showdown)

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  • Опубліковано 30 лип 2020
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    The right fretting technique is crucial for any bassist, whether you want to shred solos or just lay down a gig’s worth of grooves.
    With all the debate and confusion about “the best bass fretting technique,” it’s time to settle the score.
    In this lesson, the Simandl technique, AKA index-middle-pinky, will battle it out with the One Finger Per Fret technique, AKA 1FPF.
    Technique #1, One Finger Per Fret means that each finger gets assigned a fret in a position, covering 4 frets total. For example, on frets 5 6 7 and 8 you’d use index middle ring pinky, respectively.
    That doesn’t mean you have to hold perfectly static within that position, it just dictates the choice of which finger to use on which fret. You can “microshift” inside a 1FPF position to save energy or accommodate small hands.
    Technique #2, the Simandl technique, comes from an upright bass method book by Franz Simandl first published in 1881. As the term is commonly used on electric bass, “Simandl technique” just means fretting with the index, middle, and pinky, 124, which covers a 3 fret span. The ring finger just acts as support for the pinky.
    In this lesson, we’ll take both techniques through their paces by battling them out on three popular songs - “Doing It To Death” by James Brown, “Time Bomb” by Rancid, and “Plush” by Stone Temple Pilots.
    Each round’s winner will be awarded a point, and by the end we’ll see who emerges victorious. Ready… Fight!
    Did this lesson clear up some confusion? Subscribe so you can keeping getting more un-confused: yeah.bassbuzz.com/subscribe
    #onefingerperfret #simandltechnique #round1fight

КОМЕНТАРІ • 806

  • @BassBuzz
    @BassBuzz  3 роки тому +144

    What fretting technique do you use most often? 🎸
    Timestamps for this lesson:
    0:00 - Fretting Technique Showdown
    0:58 - Meet Your Challengers
    2:04 - Round 1: Doing It To Death by James Brown
    3:59 - Doing It To Death Play-along
    4:53 - Round 2: Time Bomb by Rancid
    6:02 - Time Bomb Play-along
    6:43 - Round 3: Plush by Stone Temple Pilots
    8:31 - Plush Play-along
    9:15 - Final Judging + Fretting Myth
    10:05 - Pros and Cons of Both Techniques
    11:07 - How to Decide Which Technique
    12:07 - 2 Principles of Good Fingerings

    • @somebody9033
      @somebody9033 3 роки тому +5

      Simandl as I have small hands. I do use OFPF when playing solos at the top of the neck though

    • @justinhamlin7011
      @justinhamlin7011 3 роки тому +12

      I've been playing for about 14 years and I've never really stuck to one them, I've always just done what was most comfortable for me, while playing that particular line.

    • @emotife_
      @emotife_ 3 роки тому

      It's really useful

    • @peosea
      @peosea 3 роки тому +3

      I would say normally Simandl from fret 1 to 5, and OF from 5 and up. I really need the added pressure of ring and pinky

    • @lewispenfold5437
      @lewispenfold5437 3 роки тому +1

      I mostly play the Ubass, so OFPF works just dandy....

  • @HapyLLIuTeJIb
    @HapyLLIuTeJIb 3 роки тому +1003

    I personally don't have a choice in that matter. I'm missing the ring finger on my left hand since 6 years old. So, Simandl it is. Gotta work with what I have.

    • @innocentoctave
      @innocentoctave 3 роки тому +64

      Great humble brag, dude : )

    • @HapyLLIuTeJIb
      @HapyLLIuTeJIb 3 роки тому +46

      @@innocentoctave
      Thanks man, never thought 'bout it this way. Sorry I wrote that.

    • @richsackett3423
      @richsackett3423 3 роки тому +70

      @@HapyLLIuTeJIb Don't be sorry. It was fine.

    • @innocentoctave
      @innocentoctave 3 роки тому +22

      @@HapyLLIuTeJIb Seriously, great attitude, man. Django Reinhardt still holds the record, though. : )

    • @innocentoctave
      @innocentoctave 3 роки тому +4

      @Naki Ryan Yes, I was aware of this. His achievement is still astonishing, and should inspire anyone.

  • @henrysaravia4661
    @henrysaravia4661 3 роки тому +424

    That ending one finger technique was a huge flex

  • @pablofichaje
    @pablofichaje 3 роки тому +593

    I basically use both techniques, it depends on what and when I'm exactly playing

    • @Ultima2876
      @Ultima2876 3 роки тому +14

      Pretty much a summary of this video

    • @liberatetutemeexinferis5902
      @liberatetutemeexinferis5902 3 роки тому +3

      Same here.

    • @mathuwhycough6591
      @mathuwhycough6591 3 роки тому +2

      always handy to have plenty of tools to use

    • @lamusico7746
      @lamusico7746 3 роки тому +1

      Same, because I play both contrabass and electric bass, I get to play both techniques depending in what I need.

    • @Mattm182
      @Mattm182 3 роки тому +4

      Same here. I may switch back and forth in one song or riff. Basically I’m always just doing whatever is necessary to optimally achieve what I’m going for at a given time.
      Sometimes I even wrap the ol’ thumb around and pop 1 or 3 on low E for stylistic flair, when I’m feelin’ like bein’ a bit wacky.

  • @oldunclemick
    @oldunclemick 3 роки тому +50

    I've recently switched to Simandl. After watching all these female UA-cam bassists and seeing the relaxed fluidity of their fretting, I stopped stretching for notes and started moving my hand. Already seeing an improvement.

  • @perikholt3395
    @perikholt3395 3 роки тому +529

    Showoff. I just pick one note and stick to it until the song ends. 60% of the time, it works every time.

    • @BassBuzz
      @BassBuzz  3 роки тому +75

      :P

    • @joshuadewhirst8059
      @joshuadewhirst8059 3 роки тому +24

      Ah yes the sex panther technique

    • @greablood1072
      @greablood1072 3 роки тому +9

      Hey, if it works, it works

    • @jphvnet
      @jphvnet 3 роки тому +14

      One pedal note to rule them all, got it master

    • @808Mark
      @808Mark 2 роки тому +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @adrianfoote8281
    @adrianfoote8281 3 роки тому +73

    I'd never heard of either technique so naturally shifted between the 2 as needed, the goal in mind was more about efficiency and less effort.

  • @bassist789
    @bassist789 3 роки тому +33

    I started on upright bass: simandl up to the 7th fret (generally), then four finger. That's the way boys and girls.

  • @monsieurjjb
    @monsieurjjb 3 роки тому +23

    The first time (out of 20-30 bass teachers) I see somebody who acknowledges the benefits of a fingering other than one finger per fret.
    Josh, you are a true wise man.

    • @gonnfishy2987
      @gonnfishy2987 Рік тому +3

      I have not had a teacher advocate OFPF. they all probably retired with arm injuries before i got to them!

  • @cursedcliff7562
    @cursedcliff7562 3 роки тому +54

    Dude, the graphics in this video are so smooth and crisp, its really on a new level

  • @Pfosco53
    @Pfosco53 3 роки тому +33

    As a person with very small hands playing bass is a challenge and OFPF is almost never an option, but makes me feel extra accomplished when I learn a line I love to play. I've had to rely on Simandl for that reason, but practicing over and over again and adapting to a song better suited for OFPF than Simandl feels great. Just gotta practice and overcome guys!

  • @bobmaerten
    @bobmaerten 3 роки тому +32

    Thanks for this clarification Josh! Almost 100% of tutorials I ses enforce one of this technique. You're almost the only one who advocates for being smart, and that's a real relief.

    • @BassBuzz
      @BassBuzz  3 роки тому +6

      Glad it was helpful Bob!

  • @TheBoogerJames
    @TheBoogerJames 3 роки тому +53

    best fretting technique video I ever saw was from Adam Neely he posted about 8 years ago where he's talking about how he played for several hours continuously. Basically you want you left had to be as relaxed and in as neutral a position as possible as much as possible. So use 124 for most stuff that doesn't require stretching and use 1234 only for things that do, such as playing full scales.
    The thing I see others do, that drives me nuts is playing a 3 fret span (e.g. box shape) with index and ring finger. You got that pinky there doing nothing. Should use it instead and save your hand the stretch.

    • @58Stejam
      @58Stejam 3 роки тому +6

      Absolutely agree! I always think it looks painful watching people playing index and ring 🙂

    • @aprilkurtz1589
      @aprilkurtz1589 3 роки тому +9

      @@58Stejam Agree. And if you've got small hands, it's kinda uncomfortable. I guess I mix styles. Sometimes I use my 3rd finger and pinky as one unit, if I'm doing something like sliding up or down a string. A glissando, I guess you'd call it. My ultimate goal is to hit the right note at the right time, and hell if I care how I got there!

    • @ViBoMe
      @ViBoMe 3 роки тому +7

      Yes but Adam Neely says some nonsense too. In one video he said that the 1FPF is wrong technique and you should tape your ring and pinky together to forcefully play the right way and, in addition to that, it also improves your tone, groove, sound or whatever. Complete bollocks
      Bear in mind that the Simandl technique was designed to play the upright bass, which in its full form has a scale length of incredible 43 inches compared to the standard electric bass of 34 inches. Electric bass guitars can be even smaller like 30 inches or if they are really big they stretch to a maximum 36 inches. This massive scale of the upright bass makes 1 finger per "fret" (note) really challenging, if not impossible, and let's remember that just the finger 1 to finger 2 stretch for half step near the nut must be a big hand stretch. Electric basses with shorter scale length made 1FPF possible.

    • @ShadamAran
      @ShadamAran 2 роки тому

      I let me pinky and ring finger work together in those instances, naturally they kinda want to anyway realizing I could do that was a life changer.

  • @victorcurtis6400
    @victorcurtis6400 3 роки тому +12

    Dude that one finger playing at the end!!!! RESPECT!

  • @rodshop5897
    @rodshop5897 3 роки тому +74

    I find that I use 3 fingers, and neglect my pinky most of the time. That leads to a weak pinky when I need it for the 4 finger stuff. Kids, don't be like me.

    • @BlackJackLopez
      @BlackJackLopez 3 роки тому +1

      Too late... XD

    • @rodshop5897
      @rodshop5897 3 роки тому +1

      @@BlackJackLopez It's not too late! Save yourself! :oD

    • @StarofNite06
      @StarofNite06 3 роки тому +3

      That us exactly what I do. And curse my pinkie for running from some work 🤣

    • @insertmetalusernamehere
      @insertmetalusernamehere 3 роки тому +9

      My scrawny pinky can't hold a string down...

    • @rodshop5897
      @rodshop5897 3 роки тому

      @@insertmetalusernamehere Time to pump! You up!

  • @kevinhelget868
    @kevinhelget868 3 роки тому +11

    I've been using OFPF for 9 years of playing with smallish hands. I run into that "pain mode" regularly especially in the lower frets. I wish I knew about this Simandl technique sooner. Definitely going to work this tool into my arsenal. Great video!

  • @hillerm
    @hillerm 3 роки тому +6

    I was originally taught one finger per fret on bass guitar, but once I started playing upright and learning Simandl, it forever altered my bass guitar technique. Now it’s a bit of a hybrid but is Simandl about 80% of the time.

  • @bushcarrot1289
    @bushcarrot1289 3 роки тому +10

    This channel is underrated. Enough said.

  • @ajdayton101
    @ajdayton101 3 роки тому +47

    I guess I alternate depending on note location. I honestly can't say I've paid much attention. My hands are a little on the small side.

  • @jackisnotbad9688
    @jackisnotbad9688 3 роки тому +21

    I actually love the lick in the intro

  • @lucythegiant4104
    @lucythegiant4104 3 роки тому +185

    I have to use Simandl for everything bc my fingers are too small lol

    • @MrClassicmetal
      @MrClassicmetal 3 роки тому +28

      I have a similar issue; I used to play electric guitar so the scale length of a "regular" bass was a bit of a hurdle.
      So I got a short scale bass. 🙂

    • @ZaryaMain
      @ZaryaMain 3 роки тому +12

      SAME. It also picked up on it hard from playing upright bass.

    • @alexanderking9462
      @alexanderking9462 3 роки тому +10

      @@MrClassicmetal short scale are awesome anyway, even if you don't have trouble with a full scale bass.

    • @MrClassicmetal
      @MrClassicmetal 3 роки тому

      @@alexanderking9462 Yeah, they certainly are! 🙂

    • @yopejjepi
      @yopejjepi 3 роки тому

      I feel you!

  • @ebx100
    @ebx100 3 роки тому +3

    I have been mixing both fretting techniques, and you are the only UA-cam bass teacher that says it's ok to mix both techniques. I totally agree.

  • @lucastperez
    @lucastperez 3 роки тому +7

    I had no idea those had names. No one ever told me, it just feels completely natural to stretch when I have to and relax when I can afford.
    Given that, I have rather small hands, so maybe that's why. And to be fair, I sometimes even go index, middle and ring, and keep pinky out of the way. Maybe I'm weird, but it just feels natural.

  • @Legomanfred
    @Legomanfred 3 роки тому +27

    Hey Josh, great video. I try not to "fret" about my fingering, but lean towards the left, no wait I lean towards one finger per fret. Going to head over to Bass Buzz and check out your courses. Always a pleasure. Stay safe, social distance and wear a mask when you can't awkwardly social distance. Cheers!! 👍♥️😜

    • @tdub8986
      @tdub8986 3 роки тому +1

      Be sure to join the forum and head over to INTRODUCE YOURSELF to get the usual warm welcome to the Bass Buzz community.

    • @jonathans2281
      @jonathans2281 3 роки тому +1

      The course is awesome.

    • @tempest_2222
      @tempest_2222 3 роки тому

      did you just-

  • @jimkalson9531
    @jimkalson9531 3 роки тому +6

    The Simandl technique is the most useful in first position, because the frets are the most spread apart. Anywhere else on the neck one finger per fret is best. And, if you adjust your elbow out away from your rib cage, you can train your fingers to spread to 4 frets even in first position with no discomfort. The angle at the elbow and wrist are key. If the elbow is away from the ribs, it allows the fingers to spread, like classical guitar technique.

    • @gonnfishy2987
      @gonnfishy2987 Рік тому

      Sounds like keeping your elbow up/out and not curling your wrist/tendons

  • @contrastprinciple4389
    @contrastprinciple4389 3 роки тому +5

    John Entwistle is one of the most interesting bass players to watch, his technique is all over the place.

  • @ViBoMe
    @ViBoMe 3 роки тому +10

    Bear in mind that the Simandl technique was designed to play the upright bass, which in its full form has a scale length of incredible 43 inches compared to the standard electric bass of 34 inches. Electric bass guitars can be even smaller like 30 inches or if they are really big they stretch to a maximum 36 inches. This massive scale of the upright bass makes 1 finger per "fret" (note) really challenging, if not impossible, and let's remember that just the finger 1 to finger 2 stretch for half step near the nut must be a big hand stretch. Electric basses with shorter scale length made 1FPF possible.

  • @liamgrace2844
    @liamgrace2844 3 роки тому +5

    Josh - I wanted to say a huge thanks for all of your videos. I decided two months ago I wanted to learn the bass guitar and went into it without any experience whatsoever, but having watched nearly all of your tutorials I now feel confident in my ability and can play several songs. You make learning super easy, and interesting. Thanks so much - I really owe you one

    • @BassBuzz
      @BassBuzz  3 роки тому +1

      Glad I could help Liam!

  • @stefanoconrotto9998
    @stefanoconrotto9998 3 роки тому +8

    I think it's worth mentioning that on a fretless bass, the Simandl technique helps you play much more "in tune"

    • @bassomatic6055
      @bassomatic6055 6 місяців тому

      On upright there is no 1 finger per fret until you are up in thumb position

  • @Faebske
    @Faebske 3 роки тому +4

    The interesting thing is that the Simandl method is also a combination of both methods because on a upright bass you will play with only index,middle and pink but after Fret 7 (translated from upright bass to e bass) you will use the Ringfinger because then it is just better and logical. Btw love the content, 11 years upright bass player that is now buing a e bass to add something new to his bass collection :)

  • @azxtnt
    @azxtnt Рік тому +1

    I only ever learned simandl up until I started watching your channel since my bass teacher mostly plays upright bass and originally taught me a lot of weird upright technique stuff on electric bass for some reason

  • @thomasloveless7503
    @thomasloveless7503 3 роки тому +3

    This is the only video I've found that even talks about the different fretting techniques. My bass instructor calls it "34" because it's your 3rd and 4th fingers working together. I like it, I use it often. The only time I don't is when I'm playing something like that Rancid song, I think you perfectly illustrated why

  • @santiagocooley8194
    @santiagocooley8194 3 роки тому +20

    Hey I just got my bass three days ago and your vids have really helped. Thank you!
    P.S. the bass I got was actually the Yamaha trbx304, really good bass

  • @qarx6666
    @qarx6666 3 роки тому +1

    I feel like getting comfortable with both and and using what’s best for the specific song/riff is the smartest option

  • @tdono11999
    @tdono11999 3 роки тому

    I just discovered your Channel. Over the past several years I've been focusing more on a guitar playing, but am starting it back into bass playing. There's some great Refreshers here for me. Thanks for the vids. They're both entertaining and informative

  • @mgs123fan
    @mgs123fan 3 роки тому +17

    Looks like I've been using Simandl technique without even knowing something like that existed 🤔

  • @BryanZam9
    @BryanZam9 3 роки тому +3

    I've been playing bass for only a year now and at the start I learned the one finger per fret method since everyone said to me that was "the right way to play". Some months ago I noticed there was times when I used only three fingers (index, middle and pinky) 'cause I found it to be more confortable, I didn't know it even had a name or that it was a legit method, I just did it naturally. This video really helped me feel more confortable with my playing tho, I was questioning my self if I was playing "incorrectly".

  • @MrThaddeusXIV
    @MrThaddeusXIV 3 роки тому +2

    New to bass, my Yamaha tbrx304 is on its way, and the Vox bass amPlug 2. But your channel has been a huge help on learning so far, I'll keep watching!

  • @rainebat
    @rainebat 2 роки тому

    this video helped me so much simandl helps me so much i’m so glad this technique exists it just feels so much more natural to me while also strengthening my pinky much more and forcing me to use it while playing it really helps flying fingers
    a mash up between the both is definitely the perfect technique, whenever it feels right to do so i absolutely love it

  • @PurrbotArt
    @PurrbotArt 3 роки тому

    Your videos are always so fun and creative, haha. Loving it, keep 'em coming!

  • @Oside3000
    @Oside3000 3 роки тому

    One of your vids encouraged me to learn the 1 finger per fret style. I’m definitely glad I went through the pains of beginning that.

  • @lbsubstylee
    @lbsubstylee 3 роки тому

    Josh, I've watched a bunch of your videos, as well as many videos from many other youtube teachers; you, my man, are the best! The combination of your teaching style with your educational and engaging videos is just right for my learning style. Thank you!

  • @RychleTube
    @RychleTube 3 роки тому +2

    Love the fun accompanied by great knowledge. Love the video!

  • @WinstonOBoogie007
    @WinstonOBoogie007 3 роки тому

    Thanks! As a guitar player just learning bass, I appreciate your attention to fundamentals. Well done! 👍

  • @Schmuddel
    @Schmuddel 3 роки тому +1

    It's worth noting that Simandl's later versions of the technique used the thumb, index, middle, and ring fingers.

  • @andrewjones9417
    @andrewjones9417 3 роки тому +7

    I'm not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet. You actually concede something up . That to you and your definition simandl is 3 finger for three frets hand position. It's actually also a very strict shifting system. Simplest way of describing it you never shift pinky to pinky ascending and first finger never shift to first finger descending. Practical example using your video the third tune, stone temple that Chromatic walk up from the b,c,c#d. Simandl would always have you going first,first , middle,pinky. Regardless of that 1/8 location in the line. Anyway, great content and presentation!! Your doing great! Ignore the ass behind the curtain

  • @Xbombsquad22X
    @Xbombsquad22X 3 роки тому +2

    You're the best Josh! Love your videos

  • @timvanboening9432
    @timvanboening9432 3 роки тому

    I love your videos, and they get me to want to play.
    I am a guitarist switching to bass, and I see merit in both techniques.
    I was naturally doing both without knowing what I was doing, so score one for me!!

  • @aaaaaabbbbbbccccccd1
    @aaaaaabbbbbbccccccd1 3 роки тому +2

    I use OFPF because:
    - I feel like I’m better of getting used to the “harder” version.
    - the “assigning one finger to a fret” thing just works for my brain. It helps with managing music by assigning each finger a role.

  • @JaMeshuggah
    @JaMeshuggah 3 роки тому +4

    Alright I liked, subscribed, and rung the bell so there's my vote. You know what to do!

  • @Manfred987
    @Manfred987 3 роки тому +1

    Glad to be your 200.000 subscriber! I had the same bass years ago, it got stolen, and you make the right justice by playing it with majesty :)

    • @BassBuzz
      @BassBuzz  3 роки тому +1

      Nice, thanks Manfredi!

  • @JoelYeoh
    @JoelYeoh 3 роки тому

    _Very cool fretting techniques runthrough there! Thanks for sharing_ 👍🎸😍🎵

  • @aaronl7669
    @aaronl7669 Рік тому

    OMG, Simandl is so much better for me playing down on the fretboard. It keeps me from getting hand pain! Totally agree that both work at different times. I do sometimes get confused in the heat of the moment!

  • @sixthecyborg5217
    @sixthecyborg5217 2 роки тому

    Hey! You inspired me with your videos to actually finally get into bass playing! I have dreamed of this a long time and now I finally got the courage for it! Thx for your work and this channel!

    • @BassBuzz
      @BassBuzz  2 роки тому

      You're welcome, glad you're getting started!

  • @weewilliewagtail
    @weewilliewagtail Рік тому

    Excellent as always, thanks Josh

  • @MrMessi1979
    @MrMessi1979 Рік тому

    I'm from Brazil. Thank you very much for this video, it's save my bass. Congratulations for the channel, it helps a lot. 🇧🇷🙏🏻

  • @alexlambermont
    @alexlambermont 3 роки тому +2

    I have average to large sizes hands and I generally use Simandl technique when my index finger is lower than the 6th fret and onfp above the 6th fret.
    For the second example keep in mind that Simandl method would discourage the closed A in favor of the open string, thus making fewer shifts necessary.
    Great video!

  • @coryrobert7305
    @coryrobert7305 3 роки тому

    Rancid! Matt has been such a huge influence on me, it makes me so happy to see you covering this

  • @tdub8986
    @tdub8986 3 роки тому +2

    Another Winner from Josh and BassBuzz, thanks teach!!!!!

  • @Symphonicrockfran
    @Symphonicrockfran 3 роки тому +1

    You're amazing! I've never heard about Simandl

  • @peosea
    @peosea 3 роки тому +2

    today I learned cor the 1st time the name of the two bass technique I've been using for the last 20 years... thanks 😄

  • @sasinator6918
    @sasinator6918 3 роки тому +8

    I would consider myself an intermediate bassist but recently I’ve been experiencing lots of pain and discomfort in my plucking hand and wrist when I play for 30-45 or more mins without a break and It would be great if you could do a video on reducing wrist angles and improving your right hand technique in order to avoid cramps and maybe some Beneficial hand and wrist stretches. I’ve been told to reduce my strap height which has had OK results but it hasn’t solved anything outright.

    • @liannevreezen7788
      @liannevreezen7788 3 роки тому +2

      Oh, that would be an amazing video indeed! I also have been looking for hand stretches or hand exercises. I am a very, very beginner and I don't want to cause any trouble with my hands :(

    • @sasinator6918
      @sasinator6918 3 роки тому

      Lianne Vreezen yeah man totally bass can be tough on your wrists and hands

  • @pikaporeon
    @pikaporeon 3 місяці тому

    Honestly this helped me with my arthritis a ton, simandl just feels a lot more comfortable and I had no idea it was even a thing

  • @mrjades4764
    @mrjades4764 3 роки тому

    I’ve been casually / amateurly playing bass for over 20 years. Only took lessons for the first 5. I’ve never even thought about what technique I use, I just play what feels natural. Which as far as I can tell is probably a mix between the 2 and some other style. It depends what you’re playing too. On the lower frets, I tend to simandl, except I probably use the ring finger in favour over my middle often. Then go for 1fpf around the middle of the fret board. But if I were to play something like schism, I would hammer 10 to 12 with my ring finger. It’s too bunched up to use the pinky at that end, and the pointer to middle finger is too far to stretch a hammer more than 1 fret. Thanks Josh, you’ve helped me become a better bass player; my high school bass teacher used to mumble a lot and I could never really hear much of what he said, so you’ve helped me re-learn some of those basics I think I missed all those years ago. I never play in front of people anymore but it’s still nice to be able to figure out how to play a song instead of trying to robot learn tabs, as well as not sound like a noob simply because you haven’t picked it up in a few weeks.

  • @edrock26
    @edrock26 3 роки тому

    I needed this tutorial so much! Thank You!

  • @pampurrs88
    @pampurrs88 3 роки тому

    Great video Josh. I'm also learning the upright bass, and the 3 fingered technique is what they all teach. I tend to still use 4 fingers on my bass guitar though.

  • @kayereeves5394
    @kayereeves5394 2 роки тому

    Excellent lesson, thanks!

  • @JordanSalisburyWasTaken
    @JordanSalisburyWasTaken 3 роки тому

    I learned bass on the upright double bass in school orchestra. Now I know why I play electric bass differently than a lot of videos I have seen.

  • @zatenm
    @zatenm 3 роки тому

    Great video! I need to go practice that Simandl technique

  • @AbsurdistAsian
    @AbsurdistAsian 3 роки тому

    Both, although I tend to do simandl on the first lowest 5 frets, then mostly 1-finger-per-fret for higher frets. Also, I previously for the life of me couldn't use my little finger! Thanks to constant exercises, now I use it more than the ring finger, such a world of difference!

  • @anthonyrosa5006
    @anthonyrosa5006 3 роки тому

    I learned Simandil years after learning 4 finger when I took lessons and learned to sight read. In the end I use what suits the song best. Simandil works great on extended scale basses, over 34" scale in low registers and the technique of sliding into position and having that muscle memory especially with a fretless is awesome.

  • @timvanboening9432
    @timvanboening9432 3 роки тому +1

    I greatly enjoy your videos.
    I am having to learn these techniques in relation to bass.
    Playing guitar for twenty-five years, I have developed habits that work fine for guitar, but aren’t flying as well for bass.
    I do switch between the Simandl and OFPR techniques, but I don’t use my pinky as I should for bass. Since it’s just me in my apartment on my P Bass, I am allowing myself to be lazy in not learning proper techniques.
    I know I need to relearn it all, it’s just hard to break habits.
    -tangent, but bass-related-
    Another habit I’m having trouble breaking is using my left hand to mute strings I’m not playing, especially lower strings as I’m playing. On guitar, I only touched the string I was fretting with the tip of my finger rather than the pad of it. A whole lot to relearn...
    I plan on getting to Beginner to Badass course once I can afford it, but for now I am enjoying your free videos, Josh.

  • @fabioc.9682
    @fabioc.9682 3 роки тому

    I just bought my first bass guitar and you got a new subscriber (: great content man!

  • @KnightInGale74
    @KnightInGale74 Рік тому +1

    I usually use both, but I mostly use the simandl technique because it feel way more comfortable than having to stretch my fingers out.

  • @skiskrt3316
    @skiskrt3316 3 роки тому +5

    Let’s just clear this up, no way is the wrong way, there’s certain techniques that give most people the ability to play better, but these textbook specifics don’t have to absolutely apply to everyone. Play however you’re comfortable, I CAN use my pinky but I just don’t most times. I find having more movement in my hand instead of being stretched, allows me personally to be more accurate.

  • @makumbolindo3566
    @makumbolindo3566 3 роки тому

    Yeah, it depends what are you playing. I started to play bass in 1977 and i did use some classic double bass techniques on the electric bass with a italian method book-Bille- and -Madensky- for arpeggios ". Later i started with the double bass and that gave me an advantage. I make combined exercises in the 4 strings and in different fingering positions back and forward

  • @Renoroc
    @Renoroc 3 роки тому

    Loved the one fingered Trooper at the end. Nice!!

  • @user-iy2lq3om3p
    @user-iy2lq3om3p 3 роки тому

    Nice work man ,i love your videos !

  • @lowstringc
    @lowstringc 2 роки тому

    Electric bassist turned double bassist (and now playing more bass guitar again). I wanted to go to school so learned double bass and studied classical double bass throughout. I use Simandl (not Bille which I use very rarely) almost all the time, unless I need the dexterity of using an extension or into one finger per half step. The comfort of Simandl as well as the added safety for your joints.

  • @mrbungle7586
    @mrbungle7586 3 роки тому +1

    Good video Josh. I use both and while watching the video picked the same as you for each song.
    Learning bass 25 years ago as a kid from a book it taught the 4 fpf way and I tried and practiced it but as you know, your little pinky in particular is very weak so I would use my ring finger and shift.
    Eventually the longer you play you use both styles and work out what's best for you. Some teachers out there insist 4 fingers per fret is the only way, but that's not practical all the time and can lead hand or finger injuries. Anyway, look forward to the next vid, cheers.

  • @dalrok
    @dalrok Місяць тому +1

    I'm using both techniques, often mixed in the same song, depending on which one suits the best for the song or parts of it. I always use the one that gives me the most stable tone with the least force applied.
    For beginners I'd always recommend starting with 1FPF to learn the positions and practice stretching first. Later I'd also add Simandl.
    For double bass players (as I'm too) it's no question, You always use Simandl first, except Your fingers are as long as Stanley Clarke's ;)
    In thumb on fretboard position in the upper registers I mostly use 1+4 fingers most of the time.

  • @davidbuda
    @davidbuda 3 роки тому

    Clear, concise and entertaining..

  • @duncanambrose206
    @duncanambrose206 3 роки тому +1

    Doesn't matter how you play it, if Robert wrote it it's gonna sound great. Such a well known but underated talent.

  • @Defmusicman1
    @Defmusicman1 3 роки тому

    Good to know that I’m not the only one who uses the Simandl technique. I find it more comfortable and easier on the fretting hand.

  • @VolkanTopakoglu
    @VolkanTopakoglu 3 роки тому

    Thanks for this awesome video Josh. Your channel is great. I agree with you in this case and would like to add something. If you're playing fretless, it's best to use 124 in the first positions, on wider 'frets' , and switch to 1234 in the higher positions. It will help the intonation as it works in the double bass left hand technique.

  • @jasminduncanson1557
    @jasminduncanson1557 3 роки тому +1

    So they're both capable techniques,thanks Josh

  • @maurocoimbra9624
    @maurocoimbra9624 3 роки тому

    Excellent video!

  • @ChintanCG
    @ChintanCG Рік тому

    Thanks for this... Coming from guitar i Thought ofpf was the way but quickly learned that it was not the way since my fingers got tired soon

  • @ronwass
    @ronwass 2 роки тому

    I'm an upright player. The double bass has a string length varying from 40-41 inches (on different instruments.) It is just anatomically futile to utilize the 3rd finger consistently in the lower positions. When I play electric bass, I am so thrilled by the freedom to use all kinds of fingering systems. My third finger has actually gotten STRONGER when I go back to upright.

  • @macmcmillan
    @macmcmillan 3 роки тому

    Another great informative video @Josh 👍

  • @Luvutoo
    @Luvutoo 3 роки тому

    As someone who started from rhythm guitar this cleared up a lot of confusion of what to do’

  • @ImaSplatman
    @ImaSplatman 3 роки тому +4

    I have average sized hands, my main issue comes from how physically short my pinky is in relation to my other fingers (it's barely taller than the second knuckle on my index finger!) Which clearly isn't a problem for the likes of Josh with his freaky (to my eyes) spider pinky
    Whenever I stretch across 4 frets at the low end of the fret board my middle finger and ring finger tend to wind up lying across the strings which is great for muting on slower lines but can cause real problems when having to play at speed so I end up switching between ofpf and simandl a lot.

  • @ThaRealChuckD
    @ThaRealChuckD 3 роки тому

    Love your channel. 😊👍

  • @felipe_durante
    @felipe_durante 3 роки тому +1

    Nice T-Shirt! I started to try playing bass when I was young because of Freeman' lines...

  • @xezpra
    @xezpra 3 роки тому +1

    this video is awesome in terms of the mini skits of finger fights

  • @adrianasscribblesforthewin1385
    @adrianasscribblesforthewin1385 3 роки тому +7

    Jesus Christ Josh is the tattoo on your left arm the Blackstar stars? I loved you already now I love you even more

  • @perryborn2777
    @perryborn2777 3 роки тому +1

    I tend to use a combination of both depending on what I'm playing, or where on the neck I'm playing at the time. I tend to use Simandl closer to the headstock, and end up using OFPF closer to the body due to fret spacing. Then again sometimes it's not even that consistent. I guess it's just whatever feels comfortable at the time

  • @rickrobie4
    @rickrobie4 3 роки тому

    Thanks Josh, you the man!

  • @crimfan
    @crimfan 3 роки тому +1

    I switch back and forth. I mostly play fretless bass, though, so it's really crucial to keep stretches really accurate and to a minimum as needed and fingers need to be as close to perpendicular to the board as possible. One finger puts a lot more stress on the hand, but I also find that it's faster for some parts due to less shifting. Simandl feels much more natural for the kinds of root-octave-root kinds of things that make up a lot of bass lines.

  • @tempest_2222
    @tempest_2222 3 роки тому +3

    i didnt even know the simandl technique existed until today. first hearing of it i was like, "why the hell would anyone not use all 4?"