Game Theory: Are Video Games Anti-LGBT?
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Final Fantasy VII's cross dressing scene is one of the most memorable in gaming. But as I was analyzing it, I noticed a disturbing trend in how LGBT lifestyle is portrayed not just in this scene, but across gaming as a whole. So what does FFVII's drag scene teach us about the cross dressing community and about the gaming industry as a whole?
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I do not understand why people are saying that MatPat dismissed Undertale, when Undertale came out late 2015 and this video came out early 2014. It was a different time.
Yes this is right nice to see this comment
Your forgetting about unertel which came out in 2015 you IDIOT!!!
*undyne and alphys proceed to yeet the entire theory*
Fishers of men Uhhhhh what?
@Fishers of Men please explain I'm confused.
Talk about timing. I do this episode and news just broke that Nintendo refuses to let same sex Mii characters marry...Coincidence???
HALF-LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!
#miiquality
I think not.
OMG, why not!!! I think that this opposition to happiness really just...errrg ....(and miis can marry?)
#goodtimingmatpat
***** Adult-child and human-animal marriage are *not* the same thing. Children and animals can't consent about getting marriage (at least not at higher councious levels).
Furthermore, if same-sex marriage is Cultural Marxism, I'm on that all the way! =D
Ohhhhh, that is weird
MatPat: “Can you imagine if a game company did something like this today”?
Breath of the wild: Laughs in cross dressing
Oh yeah they did do that-
Insert funny name here I feel FF7’s cross dressing scene is still a lot more controversial. It’s different because while Link is just infiltrating Gerudo territory, FF7 addresses how men treat women and all that. Gerudo scene was pretty awesome though loool
the ways the two games do it are very different, breath of the wild handles the subject mildly more tastefully (imo)
Plus animal crossing
Square Enix: *laughs in remake*
It’d be cool if Mat could revisit this theory and see how far lgbtq+ representation in the gaming industry has come
definitely! I’d love to see a video about how far we’ve come but also talking about changes that still need to be made
@@erinmckevitt6162 what changes still need to be made?
@@antimanti4666 the fact that you have to ask that 🙄🤨
@@bellaknightR597 well if I can't ask what else should I do?
Most of it isn't good tho
"What do they all have in common?"
Me: "THEY'RE ALL PINK!!!"
MATT:"THEYRE ALL VILLAINS "
ME: "Well I guess that too ... "
That's what I thought, though.
THATS WHAT I SAID!!!!! XD
lol....i love it......
Thought so too
*G A C H A L O G I C*
2014 was a tough year. If two lesbians kissed on TV, it was ok. But when openly gay singer; Adam Lambert kisses his bass player, it gets censored?
Is it also disgusting when a man and a woman kiss? Should they only do so behind closed doors?
Quinn The Quartz A couple of hundred years ago most women wernt allowed to vote and most people owned slaves.Also most people were illiterate. Just because the majority of people do something doesnt mean its right.
According to research only 70% of american youth identify as heterosexual. That is quite different number, don't you think?
It's your homophobia that is not tolerated here.
Caspar The Ghost This guy removed some comments, it mess up all logic here...
Blaise Imiolczyk Nope.avi. Just someone else deleted them...
2014: lgbt protags? Pfft
2019: Overwatch’s mascot character tracer is confirmed to have a girlfriend
@@z.ncvcbv that's not anit-Male dumbass
Plus junkrat & roadhog...
Hopefully
Roy McA Yes. Tracer is a playable character in Overwatch
@@FallingEastward they are labeled as villains
But that just felt forced there are better examples
I love how Mat Pat understood what drag was more then the toxic drag race fan base
PFFT-
You're not wrong tho 😅
In an interview i think he did mention he did drag so it only makes sence.
I can already smell the hordes of people who will bring their negative comments, but I think it is great that you brought such an important yet not talked about topic to light.
Nice seeing you here Creeps :D
Creeps? YOU'RE HERE? :D and I agree this NEEDS to be talked about
Remember kids, having a different opinion is fore-frowned upon by Creeps and his ilk.
creeps you're here!! wow, wow, wow
CreepsMcPasta this one right here👆👆👆👆👆👆
Actually makes sense.
But that's just a theory, a GAY theory
Gay-me theory
Obsiidian *gayme theory
Obsiidian thanks for watching
Obsiidian pokemon omega rubyer reference? Or am i just crazy
Gay means bad and I like the video because it is so true
nobody- youtube
lets recommend this 6 years in the future
IKR?
Same
Lol 😂
LMAO
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If being bi makes me a villain then prepare my monologue and get me some henchmen 😂
demon wolf luna
Then I guess your going to have to be prepared to die then. Also your sad backstory too, don’t forget that!
@@aisha5156 I knew I forgot about something, silly me 😂😂
demon wolf luna
Lol👌🏾
Yes-
ᗪEEᖇ Ḁͦi̥ͦs̥ͦh̥ͦḁͦ
Depends what game's villain. Though, knowing me, I would absolutely want to be the sadistic, charismatic villain that dies in the end in a blaze of glory.
I put on a guy shirt and guy pants. Doesn't make me a cross dresser. Yet a guy puts on a girl shirt and pants and he is a cross dresser?
1) there was a comment here, and a misclick from me reported it (sorry, I'm on a phone typing this)
2) the comment was (paraphrasing, I don't remember the exact words) "A girl wears trousers and no one bats an eye, but a guy wears a dress and everyone starts freaking out"
3) My reply is simple: in the general society of this decade deems pants/trousers as a piece of clothing appropriate for either gender, while deeming dresses as "girls-only", similar to tuxedos being "guys-only".
This is me saying what society thinks. I won't confirm or deny that I agree with this; my opinion is presently irrelevant.
Alina Mickel a dress, guy pants and shirts are just clothes ppl, they don't defined your gender or sexuality, you do
Daily Lily You say that. Society doesn't. That's the problem Alina talks about.
+Alina Mickel you do not need to label yourself. You are you, and that is all that matters.
Alina Mickel Equality.
I thought we were all God's children. And I was under the impression that he loved all his children. According to most Christians, he loves all his children except for homosexuals and people who don't believe in him. I though God was all about love, peace, forgiveness, acceptance, and equality, but according to most Christians, it's about shunning those who aren't the same as everyone else. Not to say that all Christians are like that, just a large amount.
Its kinda complicated. You see God loves everybody according to christian doctrine. It is stated in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. This does not mean homosexuals will not enter heaven. No sin is worse than another sin. I sin all the time. A gay person and me are equal in terms of sin towards god. The issue comes in that people dont acknowledge homosexuality as a sin. I have multiple homosexual friends and i have no doubt that they have a chance to enter heaven. Its all about faith in god and atoning for sins. Christians who look down on homosexuals are misguided and ignorant. In fact they lack the true beliefs of the bible. I dont know i that helps at all, but its my opinion. And i agree that some christians are wrong...
Chadmh358 Someone finally figured it out. Hopefully everyone else on this vid can see your enlightening comment. You sir are a genius.
***** no not exactly here is what i think and what i believe in: If you have committed a sin and you die no matter who you are a murderer a theif whoever you can still explain yourself to god and if you truly are a hell spawn u go to the underworld if you cant be fixed. I think god loves everyone and everything and Christianity isn't really complicated. You can to a degree chose what to believe in. All god want of you is to believe in him, know hes there for you and to try your best to stay out of trouble. Christianity is really one of the most open and none complicated regions there is. If you believe in god he will believe in you. And and not trying to tell you your wrong im just stating what i believe in.
God isnt real... Sorry for the spoil :/
Well said friend.
I just flew over from the Kalos region in Pokemon Y, and it's interesting that, as a girl, when you and Shauna watch the fireworks together, she says about how good friends you are and stuff, but when playing as a boy, Shauna makes a remark about "How she's never been alone with a boy before"
Pain.
There’s a trans NPC in Pokémon X and Y.
@@diamondminer5459it's not definitively stated
@@BoondoggleMyCognle in the Japanese version it is
@@sb6196 I'd like you to source me that
Not to talk about the pansexual characters that are always nymphomaniac aliens 😒
and the nonbinary characters as well!
@@macbean3446 meme identity
Matpat: "Not only featuring the longest title in gaming"
Me: Super Kingdom Hearts Chapter 2.1 Prologe Birth By Sleep A Fragmantory Passage ARCADE EDITION A La Creme
featuring dante from the devil may cry series
With the new funky mode!
Female characters are allowed to be homosexual because most men find lesbian couples "sexy" and "hot". I find that sexist. Let lesbians be lesbians without society finding such couples as sexy. Two girls in love is not sexy. It's love! Let them love each other with being viewed a sexy or hot couple. Heterosexual couples are cute but not sexy or hot.
How in hell is that being sexist, people find it cute. I find it cute. End of story.
+Hazza Slack Gaming Its sexist because the only way an LGBT+ relationship can be accepted is if it is two lesbians. Because lesbians are "Hot" and "Sexy". Its sexist because some hetero men will only accept LGBT+, if its a pair of sexy lesbians that they can jack off to. Its sexist because it is demeaning to lesbians, cause they are only seen as a sexualized object. I can guarantee you that if lesbian weren't sexualized by Some hetero men, they wouldn't be in some games. Now I agree with you, it is cute. But game developers are not putting lesbians in there games because its cute. They put them into there games because it is sexually appealing to some hetero men. To sum it up: It is sexist, very, and needs to be stopped because it is wrong. That's why it is sexist.
True, you got me there. Congrats
Puttysauce YT Agreed. Lesbians should NOT be viewed as sexual objects for hetero men to use. They deserve to be viewed as a normal loving couple, not sexual fantasies.
TheLastOfUs38 Like people with no profile pictures
I went into this expecting it to have aged horribly
Turns out it's still relevant in current year
Nah
Bauldur's gate 3.. uh skyrim, uhh Fallout 4, Life is strange, Stardew valley
The exact opposite is happening now and it’s disgusting.
I hereby dub this video: “Straight man accidentally discovers the deep seated homophobia in the video game world. Is shooketh.” (But really it’s always a bit comforting to know someone cared enough to talk about this issue way back in 2014)
Yes lol
@stop lgbt yeah kid we don't care
@@crystaljones2953 it's on minecraft too, so this is probably a kid lol
Gaming meeting:
"Gay man?"
"Censor it!"
"Two lesbians?
"Over sexualize it!"
Gaming, what'd we ever do to you?
What we did to gaming is put it on UA-cam and make theories about it. Don't know how we deserved what we got back from it.
Otaku Warrior it's not just gay men who get discriminated. Plenty of lesbians do too. As one, I see it a lot!
anime dub meeting:
"nudity?"
"censor it!"
"rice balls?"
"censor it!"
dude they better censor something like that, games are usually directed to guys, and gayness would really kill the mood for most players.
Guys,you're not discriminated.Gay and lesbian relationships are as censored as normal relationships.For what I've seen homosexuality is even more popular in games nowadays.Stop thinking you're discriminated and that you're special,you're normal people.
I'm a straight, heterosexual man and I was kinda hurt that Vivian was "censored" from being acknowledged as a guy. It made me feel like Nintendo didn't think I could "handle" knowing that. I get they did that for the broader population and all, but still it didn't sit right with me.
Not even for some social-justice bullshit - I just don't like that I couldn't play the game how it was originally intended. It was about 2 years after the game had been out that I finally learned that little fact.
Technical0Difficulty Vivian is not a "guy" in the original version of PM2; she is strongly hinted at being a trans woman. There is a big difference.
Technical0Difficulty straight and heterosexual? hmmm maybe its a double negative!
Shelton Dunlap That's simply not true. Gender, as opposed to biological sex, is that thing that encompasses cultural notions of male and female - women wear dresses, men wear ties, girls play with dolls, boys play with trucks, etc. All that is cultural, not biological. So a trans person is someone who is biologically one sex, in this example male, meaning that they have lots of testosterone and probably a penis and facial hair and so forth, but who takes on the cultural role of a woman, in terms of e.g. how they dress. Gender is a matter of presentation and cultural identity, and is (essentially) a matter of choice (although in practice, most people don't so much "choose" as "feel" what gender they should be). So if you're born biologically male, you're not necessarily going to be a boy/man for the rest of your life.
Furthermore, chromosomes don't necessarily match up with biological sex, and not everyone is unambiguously biologically male or female. Many people are born with some kind of intersex condition, and are more-or-less arbitrarily assigned a gender at birth, occasionally with genital-mutilating surgery to "fix" them. And so it should not come as a surprise that these people grow up to be dissatisfied with their gender role.
In any case, to deny them the title of "woman" or "man" because of their biology is bigoted and shows a startling lack of empathy. You're arbitrarily imposing rules upon someone else for no good reason, rules like wears dress = has vagina, which have no factual basis, but are cultural. So don't try and claim that your "chromosomes are what matters" opinion is in any way more valid than the idea that biological males can wear dresses.
DontMockMySmock Of course everyone is born with qualities of male and female but their chromosomes determine sex overall. Im not talking about gender roles im talking about chromosomes and science.science. Im talking about sex not gender,major difference.
Shelton, did you read my comment at all? You were talking about being a "man" and how that is determined biologically, which, as I went to great pains to point out, is false. Being a "man" or "woman" is cultural, and your claim that they are determined by biology is wrong. I don't know why you now say you're not talking about gender roles, when in your first comment you clearly and unambiguously talk about gender roles and adamantly refuse to separate them from biological sex.
And as I also pointed out, chromosomes don't necessarily determine biological sex, either. Biological sex isn't that simple.
This video was quite progressive for its time. I can’t believe I got this in my recommendations years after... even though it’s not 100% accurate.
MatPat always been a bit sloppy exspically when he's trying to meet dead lines for UA-cam, but I do believe his heart is in the right place at leastm
@@Left4Cake I mean, can we blame him? He was 1 guy in a closet watching Ru Paul's Drag Race. He now has a whole team and reddit
what parts aren’t accurate? serious question, legit curious
@@BROJANGSTER he refers to Vivian as male.
@stop lgbt zad☹️
MatPat:Can you imagine if a game developer created a scene like this now a days?
Me: Zelda Breath of the Wild!
I don’t get why everyone is saying this because in botw all he does is cross dress.
Or are you referring to the fairies
"Can you imagine if a game developer created a scene like this nowadays"
**flashbacks to breath of the wild**
Lol u mean the Gerudo outfit
SPOILERS
Its 2019 and you really gotta do another video about this topic
I totally agree, enjoy an extra like kirby
...things have changed...a little
Indeed he should
Is 2020 and no LBTQ+ videos
*me liking this in 2020*
Matpat in 2014: There are almost no games with LGBTQ+ characters that aren't villians!
Danganronpa Fans: *Laughs in Chihiro Fujisaki and Ishimondo*
Isn't Nekomaru canonically bisexual?
Wait Ishimondo is *canon* ?! Where have I been?!
@@aisha5156 apparently the people behind danganronpa tweeted that they would have lived together if they survived, but that could have just been a fan account
Zuzu13puppylove
Oh, I hope it wasn’t a fan account. I love that ship.
@@aisha5156 same-
Well. 5 years later.
We need another.
Very true
*Nervously chuckles in 2021*
@@orangejuice9102 Honestly *Same*
*Nervously chuckles because one of the guys who jumpstarted Matt’s channel (Scott from FNAF), donated to politicians who doesn’t think LGBTQ people shouldn’t have rights.*
@@soccerruben1 || *ahaha isnt that great*
Honestly, the way Fallout: New Vegas handled sexuality was one of the best. Arcade Gannon and Veronica Santangelo were both gay characters, and it had a small impact on their backstories, but it wasn't some kind of ridiculous, over-the-top stereotype. You were meant to feel sorry for the NCR soldier at the outpost who talks about the NCR's homophobia, and the same with Veronica and the Brotherhood. Normal characters you met in the game were gay and it was no big deal, and bigotry was always portrayed in a bad light.
And you could make your character as gay as the Mojave has sand
It took me two years to figure out what Cloud's second sword was.
IT'S CALLED A BUSTER SWORD!
Megan Gibbs wow. Lol😅
Ooooooh. I get it now.
It's deadly. I'm not joking.
They call it "The Impaler"
It`s great to see that Matpat actually cared to discuss this issue while not showing any hate for LGBTQ community.
Id say he did the opposite. His support for the LGBT and drag community is infectious all throughout
@@TheHutchIsOnnah
@@TheHutchIsOn"What did you said you milk drinker? Go back to your mother."
This video has aged surprisingly well for how old it is the only I wish matpat did was talk a little how the only reason lesbian couples weren’t censored was so straight guys could over sexualise them lol
the ironic thing is i had a gay dating ad before this
Mandude channelname Lol
Mandude channelname it's not ironic. It's called selective ads. The title had gay in it, so youtube gave you a "gay ad"
***** what's yuck?
***** why's that yuck though? You just watched a video about gays in video games.
All I get now are cigarette PSAs.
Ash Ketchum also crossdresses a suprising number of times in the anime.
That's a anime. Not a game. And guess what? There's a transgender trainer in XY. THAT GOT CENSORED
Majamy no there isnt
Dat Boii yeah there is! There's a random female trainer that says that "a mere half a year ago I was a black belt! Quite the transformation, wouldn't you say?" But the thing is that in the japanese version she says that she was a karate king, so clearly male, and that the power of medical science in incredible.
Majamy the power of medical science? tf does that mean?
MinecraftSurveyCorps ash is also voiced by a woman
Even tho this is an old episode, one thing I'd like to point out is that the gaming industry has been known to be sexist for reasons that is unknown. It really makes me steaming when gaming is treated as a MAN thing when gaming should be for EVERYONE. Games portray the good guys to always be a straight man because the industry believes that is the truth to Gamers. There has been a big improvement, but there are many changes that will one day be valued.
Yooy :3
Ik it’s true and I’ve been wondering that.
Deep
It’s because that’s the majority of gamers and game makers want to relate to the biggest audience
Here's how it is gaming is for everyone. There are different video games you can play you don't have to play Mortal Kombat (this is just an example) which obviously appeals to a straight male, but you can get games like Life is Strange, Until Dawn, The Walking Dead, etc. which don't only appeal to men. Yes anyone can get the game obviously however, if me as a businesswomen knows that mostly males buy games and they don't want to see two guys kissing on each other, but instead two females then imma get this money and sale them what they want. And to be fair times really have changed and opinions on gays have shifted, the games in the video are old, and females did used to not want play video games before the times changed.
What is also sexist is how every woman in some games is like the strongest of bosses , and how the feminist agenda crosed over to the game industry , games aren`t sexist only at women , but also at men , there are a bunch of games , where men are stupid and women are smart for no reason than their gender , there are games, where the core idea is to brutally murder your ex , because he broke up with you , and no , UA-cam , I don`t want more of those ads . Please just stop giving me ads for games , where I am supposed to fight some men , because "they are the bad guys" , because they broke up with the character I am supposed to be , I hate when that happens. I also hate when there is this idea , that men are dumber and slower as stats , when in reality , the smartest and the fastest of the world people are mostly , if not even fully taken by males . And for the last time , I don`t want to vote for bloomberg . The point I am trying to make is that vedio games are trying to get feminists happy by making sexist against men games , then complain about how they aren`t seen as equal to everyone , plus , gaming is not to be for someone , but for everyone , you can`t compensate for being sexist with more sexism
Seeing this as an 11 year old did something to me. Thanks mat.
your parents shouldn't have let you use the internet at age 11. very irresponsible.
@@hypnos9336 well too late now innit
@@odothedoll2738yeah come on now lol. UA-cam is literally built for children nowadays so the thought that kids from 2006-2014 were responsible and avoided youtube is ridiculous
@@TheHutchIsOn id also like to say that unironically kids watching UA-cam back then was safer due to (UA-cam) being a new thing (relatively) for everybody then it is today
Oh my gods! This was released in 2014!? Before the new intro? Before GTLive? Before UnderTale and even 2 months before the first FNaF!? I feel so old now even though it's just over a two-year difference. Wait, it's almost 2017 now? Where has the time gone!?
Ender Sheeper Time is Time And It need time to Get time And when they have time they use they time Idk This is to ramdom
Saying "gods" as plural is a reference. Hoover Dam snackbar, I'm a tad surprised no one knows where it's from.
Ender Sheeper That must be a Dam problem.
6 days. Not ebem a week.
I got a week
*me watching this is 2019* Boy have things changed!
Eeeeeh :/ not really
*KISSKISSFALLINDEBT*
It's gotten better for sure, but not dramatically. We are far from equality.
Yeah!! Like how he calls basically being trans as fishydrag??? Like??? Boy??
Alexbutalsotrash
Fishydrag is a real thing though...
tbh, at this rate, i don't think we'll reach equality. Our folk keep demanding representation for nothing and we have so many disagreements on lots of things. I dream of a world where being gay is seen as common to most of the population on earth. But we keep putting labels on ourselves and focusing on non-important things and that's why we're not progressing to a better future, imo.
i'm so tired of the misrepresentation of my community. I'm a lesbian and I know for a fact the stereotypes only keep getting circulated because of media.
Matpat: mentions 2 types of non-binary in 2014
Me: Cries in dysphoric.
wait till dream daddy
Ava S. FIXED even though this is from along ago
Ava S. Oh God you're right
Lol right?
Ava S., message from the future
can you even count dream daddy though? after all its a gay dating sim. if you really want to break this i would mention kun jin from mk
Let's remember that 1. being trans is an identity while being a crossdresser/drag performer is entertainment. Also let's remember that 2. those times when women are accepted as being gay or bisexual they're sexuality is often portrayed as something exotic and the women are almost exclusively sexualized and objectified.
I think Undertale was the first game where I saw a homosexual couple and I was fine with it because Undyne and Alphys are adorable together.
firts time i saw them i almost cried bc i felt so validated
@@luciafernandez8595 same here honestly, it's now exciting because in deltarune Noelle has a crush on Suzie.
Let's not forget that both Alphy and Undyine are Inhuman Villains that are Redeemed
@@auravaury That really depends on how you see it. Undyne tried to save her people by obtaining your soul, so it's the life of a human child for the liberation of hundreds, or thousands of monsters.
Alphys did experiments on monsters, but I don't think she's a villain, to be a villain you have to be evil, to *want* to hurt people.
@@innrex9028 They both have a degree of amorality to them, Undyne I suspect is willing to carry the sin of killing one human child to save the rest of her kind, and I'm fairly sure she knows it will ruin her in the end. Some lines when you cross them remove you from civilized society and she is self aware enough to know that.
Alphys does feel a bit more ambiguous when it comes to amorality, my gut feel is that they may be willing to do some really questionable stuff at times, but won't ever cross over into evil for the lulz area.
Isabelle from Animal Crossing: New Leaf is actually bisexual. She's attracted to the mayor regardless of their gender! AND, she CLEARLY wasn't a villain, a very, VERY, nice person and kind and harmless would be how I would describe her. ALSO, she wasn't censored in America's release! Even though she isn't drag or acts too seriously upon her bisexual feelings, she still IS bisexual, and this was CONFIRMED BY NINTENDO OF AMERICA. AND Isabelle hasn't been labeled as anything but positive things in later additions to the series, and since her groundbreaking debut in New Leaf, has been in EVERY GAME, and STILL remains bisexual. So maybe she's a sign of hope for all. And now with games like Journey, that have characters who are gender-neutral, there's now hope for a better tomorrow. So, my point is, please like this comment MatPat, hehe
This was made in 2014
@Tea Dragon bisexual means more than one gender lots of people think it just means guys and girls but pansexaul is just a alternate term that makes it clear they like genderless people too,bisexuals also like genderless people
@@spookyles7483 No, there is a difference between the two. If you're bisexual you like all genders, but have a preference. If you're pansexual, you don't have a gender preference.
@@sootish bisexual people can like people regardless of gender and not have a preference. i respect pansexual people, but bisexual already covers that. bisexual is liking 2 or more genders, it says nothing about preferences
@@kuprum7 search it up on wikipedia
But that's just a theory... a GAAAAY THEORY! THANKS FOR WATCHING!
MLG Gaster ... this is everything anyonr we need
On the channel "Community" starring -Senor chan- MatPat.
MLG Gaster I
MLG Gaster **facepalmes**
This is the most beautiful thing I've ever read
You know what would be nice scrolling down an LGBT related content section and not seeing Christian hate, hate on the homophobes not Christians.
+Slaves to Armok I know mostly Christians and they're not homophobic at all and as a none homophobic Christian I find hate on Christianity upsetting
+Slaves to Armok I go to a Christian school and I have met only 2 homophobic people, and one very unfortunate lesbian who's parents are homophobic. I don't believe it is the religion that causes homophobia as there is only one sentence about gays in the bible in the old testaments, it's just people looking for something to blame for their fucked up views. And people struggling to find evidence to back up why they are homophobic as there is very little.
+Slaves to Armok I live in England so that's probably why my experience is different
+Guilherme Duarte I may not be Christian, but this was incredibly offensive. Everyone has a right of believing what they believe, so stop shoving your opinions down their throats.
+AngelinBlack I agree. I am not christian, or religious for that matter, but if you needlessly hate on the Christian faith that just proves your a 16 year old "edgy" atheist.
Mat Dad just used a TON of LGBTQ+ slangs in a sentence
I don’t understand homophobia. At the very least, why does it matter to you? What will anyone’s relationships do to hurt you
Trust me, me neither, but I can't get enough of it everyday. All I did was identifying as the opposite gender and suddenly you're public enemy #1
@@auravaury well you’re outing yourself as a freak to the public, you think that wouldn’t attract attention?
@@youtubesucks8340 Wow thanks for epitomizing the growing alt-right radical trends developing on yt. Go back to the 19th century.
@@visiblerat No.
@@youtubesucks8340 Go on, chop chop, crawl back to your own corner of the internet little troll
Wow... When I first saw this video in my recommendations, I had NO idea what LGBT or gay meant, flash forward and now I'm bisexual, my brother is transgender and gay, I have a gay best friend and a same sex relationship. Oh, how times change.
That’s…literally everything, I respect you so gosh darn much you majestic being
do not harm this gentle beauty.
Meth is awesome and coke😁
@@2_572 what
Wow I’m so happy for you! Hope you are doing great!
"... Who is a male but identifies as a female."
Me:.......... Grell much?
I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES! -Grell Sutcliff, best black butler quote of all time
YES BLACK BUTLER FANS
OMFG KUROSHITSUKI/BB REFERENCE
Woo grell!
OMG BLACK BUTLER!!! SEBASTIAN IS BAE!!
In Tomodachi Life, people of opposite genders could form relationships while people of same genders could form friendships.
This was criticized.
Nintendo did not change this in an update. However, they said that they were going to have a different system in future games.
Just thought I'd drop this random piece of information out there.
Nice
This video is certainly ahead of its time for gaming communities, but, in hindsight, it has problems with some implications, and it's sad that he didn't workshop it with more sociology and philosophy. It's a nice thought, and the video is very well put together, but it did feel a little short for how massive the subject matter at hand. I do appreciate Matthew's attempts to shine some light into a contemporary issue at the time, thank you, Matt
you can crossdress in animal crossing new leaf, i actuly have one character that wears dresses and loves girly things but is a boy
I make my boy character(I'm female) wear a Japanese schoolgirl esque outfit, or a dress and a flower in his hair
Oh, and Isabelle is apperantly (take this with a grain of salt) a pansexual bisexual, or something along the lines of that
@@keirazmudkipz1765 nintendo of america even confirmed Isabelle's bisexuality.
Ren Thewerecat more evidence that animal crossing is best boi
Also the gender you choose doesnt make any physical changes to your character :DDD
Cough cough
Raymond
At least we have Dream Daddy...
haha same and the sims 4
yes.
And Butterfly Soup
*laughs in Animal Crossing New Horizons*
Laughs in fate grand order
Laughs in miitopia for the switch
This was surprisingly real. The amount of homophobia, biphobia, and stereotypes in gaming is shocking. I’m glad this is old and our society is more open minded.
You guys notice that girls are expected to "experiment" with their friends and college and shit, but guys are expected to be 100% hetero and masculine all the time.
i say that to people all the time its so dumb guys can't even take a pea in the urinal beside another guy without someone thinking its gay but girls get naked and play together in the locker rooms
Donald Lewis
I think it's a male oriented world that kind of made it that way.
Donald Lewis I'm sorry but I got the most hilarious image from your typo of two dudes just leaving a pea in a urinal and walking away...
Yup. Bi/gay women being demeaned through sexualization while Bi/gay men are demeaned with outright rejection. What can I say; we live in a society…
@@zombies4evadude24 well sexualisation is from the guys and most of the guys are STRAIGHT which means they are not into dicks which means lesbian porn is considered hot to them that's why lesbians are sexualised
After reading an hours worth of comment reading, I'm pretty pissed off at humanity. But on the bright side, most people were with me: People should be free to love and live as they please. I feel strongly about gay rights, not because I'm gay (I'm not -or... at least I'm 99% certain I'm not), but because I don't believe in telling people what they can and can't do. And because freedom and liberty are VERY high on my national agenda. I can't be friends with racists, because it's not okay to tell people they were born wrong, just because they're different.
You do realize that it automatically means you are supporting all other similar cases such as Incest Relations/Marriage as well. If you don't support other similar cases then you are a hypocrite.
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RobiePAX Incest is not a similar case at all because it isn't about sexual preferences. People who are Incestuous aren't attracted to them because they are family they are attracted to just that person in particular. That would only work if they said they would only have relations with someone in their family which would make it a sexual preference.
bannockk it is the same thing. Gay sexual relations or marriage are no different from Incest sexual relations or marriage. Both are being heavily condemned by the majority of the world and are considered illegal. The scenario itself is no different, example: a brother and a sister might "fall in love" and wish to live like a normal couple. Or how about a little paradox? How about gay incest couple, that one takes the cake.
As I've mentioned before if you support one, then you automatically support the other cases, or else you sound like a hypocrite.
Ironically your avatar is Blake from RWBY.
Ah, yes. The hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy is my favorite dictionary.
ahhh man i watched this video when it first came out, i was like 11 and i was less than a year away from realizing i was not cis (he/they) and about 4 years away from realizing that im gay... obviously a lot of the language used is outdated af LMAO but it was one of the only things that sticks out in my childhood as really making me feel heard and understood
this video means too much to me for me to be able to explain in a youtube comment, im really glad it was published :)
Gamers most of the time: Games are important! They are a real art form that really matter in society! Games helped me shape who I am, and can be used to change the world!
Gamers when racist/sexist/homophobic trends are pointed out in gaming: Dude, it's just a game. It doesn't matter.
exactly!
So much right in one comment!
If it doesn't matter, I'd like to know why you think so.
It doesn't change the fact that it reinforces the idea that homosexuality is bad unless it's a lesbian relationship....
I don't understand why you think that's true. As an example, school professors can persuade or manipulate people into believing or subconsciously building a certain concept. Why can't video games be that subtle teacher? I know I can't change your opinion, but I just wanted to put that out there.
This was so ahead of its time
People were gendering trans women correctly in 1900. So "game theory"s view on trans people is still stuck in the 1800s at least.
@@Otome_chan311 Considering that at this point, MatPat's terminology was most likely coming from RuPaul though, I'd say that was simply a lack of education and not a lapse in humanity. So many games since this video have portrayed LGBTQ+ characters in a much more positive light, (even going so far as to include gay CONSTRUCTION WORKERS in some cases), and it would not surprise me if some of that started when creators like MatPat began calling the gaming industry out on it. I DO NOT agree with Mat misgendering the characters. All I'm saying is that he was legitimately trying to do a service to the LGBTQ+ community, and that he most likely just didn't know how pronouns work at the time he filmed it.
@@peteroselador6132 Yes it doesn't help that it was made five years ago. Even though it wasn't that long ago trans issues wasn't very.... Out there I guess
@@Froggy309 I would personally say that for time it was released it was rather progressive and even though there were some mistakes they are mostly mistakes nowadays since all of this did get more focus nowadays. Not meaning it wasn't wrong, but that it wasn't seen as bad and so it took longer to realize the mistake himself. I also am pretty sure he has learned a lot more in the past years :)
Yep
Why does this still actually hold up as a genuine study into homophobia in gaming?
Disappointed that he didn't end the video by saying " but hey that's just a theory ... A GAY THEORY "
😂
Would be cool actually
Dragon Age is a pretty big game and it also includes lesbian or gay relationships with the other characters. In Skyrim, although it isn't a big part of the game, includes options to marry the same gender as well. We all know how big Skyrim is too. So, yeah.
Oh, and Life is Strange technically has a lesbian relationship between Chloe and Max if you choose the right dialogue options. But, the game came after this video was created.
That's true, and I love Dragon Age to bits, but all the substantial or game changing romances are straight. Alistar for example, as well as Solas. Plus it wasn't until Inquisition we got characters who were just gay and not bi (no bi hate it's just two straight and two bi an equality does not make)
And honestly, Sera wasn't a great character.
However, I did enjoy Dorian in Dragon Age: Inqusition for his sarcastic sense of humor. He is also gay in the game. Besides, Sera isn't that bad. I managed to warm up to her and I experienced some of the most hilarious dialogue I've ever seen in a game.
Well, that's alright. I guess I got used to her crazy/rude shenanigans. In the game, I managed to become friends with all my companions. I know that some companions won't get along well with others. But that's alright though. You just have to find a way to deal with them and their unique way of seeing things and still have everyone on your side. However, even though I did become friends with her, I'm still not so keen about Vivienne.
Jazzy Wood In the case of Sera and Vivienne they're like those people who are intensely hellbent in believing misinformation. Sera sees one blood mage and decides that all mages must be evil terrorists. And Vivienne is under the impression that the Circle in infallibly in both comfort and knowledge, not acknowledging that good Spirits are capable of existing, and assuming that the standard of living for mages is the same as in Orlais (In which the circle practically get 5 star hotel rooms to house their mages)
I wouldn't be so against them if you could help them understand that what they believe is based entirely on misinformation, but you can't. Even Fenris changes his mind slightly and his judgement of mages is lifted, if you follow the right course. And he has good reason for his beliefs, not just rampant misinformation.
Sorry I get really passionate about this topic. As much as I love the Dragon Age series I feel like the writers just haven't been doing a good job as of late in certain aspects.
LGBT Men are continually censored and LGBT Women are sexualized! What did the LGBT community ever do to gaming?
I don't know.Maybe criticising a game because it doesn't pander to the LGBT community(which are,in no ways,the targeted demographics) trying to force and bully a company into putting gay romance in a game,even tho it has no reasons to do so.
I am not asking them to put a gay romance in every time I am simply asking that they don't paint us as evil sexual deviants every single time there is a gay character.
Ava S You got it wrong.
*YOU* don't want to video game companies to go out of their ways to put gay romance in every video game,but the LGBT community sure as hell does.
And that's normal, because they want to be represented in their favorite fictional works too, and in the right way. The bullying isn't normal though, that part needs work. But if the companies were considerate enough they would at least put background gay characters who are innocent bystanders and not villains or the laughingstock of the fictional NPC communities. I'd understand if there weren't any lgbt characters, although I wouldn't agree because I'm an ally and I want my lgbt peers and friends to be represented, but putting gay people in specific villainous roles is pure misrepresentation, and indecent in general. If you can't do it right, don't do it at all, because real people get hurt because of it.
Ava S woman are always sexualised in media no matter what it was originally about!😞
I was going to say "Hey, Dragon Age is ok. They even have a trans male character that is well written", but then, I remembered that gay male Inquisitors can stay with Iron Bull or Dorian, but you don't get a happy ending with either. Heck, gay Inquisitors are the only ones who can't get married. Lesbians can marry Sara, heterosexual men and women can marry almost all the options for romance. And me, as a bisexual and transgender guy, can't name one single character that I can really identify as. Fak... Society sucks.
People love tragedy, what can I say?
This video is both incredibly ahead of its time and incredibly 2014
We don't spill tea when it comes to intolerance... We through the god-damn cup.
-mac
“No, we throw it into the harbor”
- ‘Murica
HAHA. this is combining LGBT, macdoesit, AND some hamilton time period related stuff. im fangirling. SOmeboDy hold my chIK-FiL-A leMoNaDe
YES
We throw that muthaf*kah into the next relm
"I have a big cup so it makes me look smaller! ...I have body issues :)"
-Mac
Seriously I just want one ONE female same gender relationship that isn't hypersexualized.
Anna Wilson Star Trek Online featured recently 2 female Klinon warriors (for about 30 minutes) who didn't interact sexually with each-other. (massivelyop.com/2015/05/31/star-trek-online-flame-wars-erupt-over-gay-backdrop-npcs/)
Anna Wilson Last of us dlc could help with that.
Madam Red shame that the...sigh...black character dies soon after.
Anna Wilson In Guild Wars 2, the main Sylvari NPC is mentioned have an ex-girlfriend. And, you face her in a dungeon. So far, she is a total lesbian. Still able to kick a lot of ass, and not hypersexualized.
Andrew Wang
Yeah but atleast they got to spend there last moments together.
6 years later, games are finally more acceptive. Thanks, world, you're getting better
How has it gotten better? I don’t want to see or play a game where the character’s sole purpose is to shag another guy or a girl in girl mashup. Not interested.
"Both or neither" you have never made my agender self more happy than today!
Who else remembered when this theory was new?
#LoyalTheorist
WahabiHoboFilms #LoyalTheorist
#LoyalTheorist
I dont...
#unloyalTheorist
No.
#ImNewHere
Who cares, honestly?
Woah, matpat was really out there talking about lgbtq+ in 2014. That's honestly amazing.
nena LGBT+ is correct, because Q stands for ‘queer’ which is a term people used to derogatively call gays
@Hi I’m a dog
It was a slur but it's now been reclaimed
Hi I’m a dog it’s used to be a slur but it’s been reclaimed and it’s now an umbrella term for some people
Idk why yall are treating 2014 like a millennia ago..?
I remember pop culture from the early 2000s mentioning it like it's no big deal
@@aur9035 bro, as a straight man who’s been on detox from the alt right pipeline for a year now, the fact that MatPat covered this stuff during PEAK GamerGate days is incredible.
I don’t know why, but this is my favorite theory, even if it’s quite old
Fishy drag is NOT equivalent to being transgender, let me make that clear.
This video makes me want to make a best selling video game series and then reveling the main protagonist as a gay male. I'm going to need some help with this.
CakeSplat a black cuban trans gay men wielding an enormous customized chainsaw...
I'll give you a hand, but I have noticed that many of the main characters are male, and if they are female and the main protagonist they are really stereotypical so how about a female for the main protagonist, or someone transgender. It would help break the trend of male protagonists in best selling games.
*****
nope seems like you didn't play that much games man... how many games that you know of have female player characters? you should find betwen 0 and 20 if you have played a lot... how many games do you know with male player characters? I can list more than a hundred without any problem and I can probably go up to 200...
*****
so let me clarify things... I meant video games where you play as a female character during the whole game (and you don't get to choose) wich is the case of some rare games... (tomb raider series, Drakengard 3, Portal, Mirror's Edge) but if we compare to the oposite we get a lot of games like Doom, Duke Nukem, Quake, Shadow of Mordor, Hitman, Metal Gear, Persona, Deus Ex, Battlefield, Gears of War, Stalker etc... and also most games don't have any reason to not include a female character because most are set in Fantasy or Science Fiction settings and those that are not that I listed could have included female character's because nowadays include woman's. and then there are games like hitman... is there any reason an assassin couldn't be a woman? even during the antiquity there was female assassin's and the only thing the job require's is brains and luck... also setting is not an excuse, women always existed and will alway's exist (as long as the specie's exist) so game's like Stalker wich I'm actualy playing without a single female character makes the game less believable. also the history we are told in class is actually not acurate, it is an interpretation and is biaised. we have proof that there whas female knights in europe, that woman where quite common amongstd viking berserkers and there whas female Samurai's in japan but the history we are told deliberately ignores them.
sorry if this is quite long and not very well constructed but I hope you got my point...
+CakeSplat Yesss
Not to mention how female same sex relationships are WAAAAY oversexualized and portrayed as consistently shallow one-night-stands.
I just realised the only reason wlw relationships are allowed to be there is to fetishize them
- I mean, it is possible for a guy to watch lesbian porn and still view lesbians as people. Not to mention EVERYTHING is somebody’s turn-on. Also, regardless of it was tailor-made for an audience to find “hot”, at least it’s not nothing, they are allowed to openly be affectionate, and it’s still some representation (plus, I can’t criticize most sexually charged displays of affection in fiction without feeling like I’m slut-shaming real people). In terms of gay men in video games, have we forgotten Persona 2? Barring that, the reason there are fewer gay male couples in media is toxic masculinity making affection between men into a taboo.
This video is so old and yet so actual! People 6 years ago REALLY needed this...
that turned real sad real quick
Rvenger Assassin not for me! Lolololololol
Came for a shitstorm in the comments. Was not disappointed.
Was surprised by the amount of God references, though. Makes one wonder if Christianity is the most significant battlefield in the homosexuality debate these days.
*****
I am an atheist myself, having broken through my Christian upbringing a number of years ago for reasons unrelated to this issue, but my remark was not intended to be aggressive against the religion. I may not necessarily disagree with your statements, but I see people in these comments using their religion as a context to both speak for and against tolerance of homosexuality.
History may look back at this point as one of many in which Christian doctrine and accepted belief changed significantly. Who believes in witches anymore? Who believes it is acceptable to burn alive those we believe are such? How many Christians still believe in a predetermined fate of Heaven or Hell as opposed to one where such a fate is not set in stone from the moment you are born? History classes tell of times like these that are long past and of an event that best describes how malleable religion really is: The Reformation. From the Protestant movement, great schisms forever changed what Christianity was for many people, and I'd like to think that these progressive times may bend the masses under Christianity towards toleration. You see it in the comment spaces and you hear it by the words and silence of the Pope on issues such as these.
The point of my comment was to probe whether or not people thought the sheer number of Christians in the world make that faith more or less a deciding cultural factor in issues related to this matter, because, while we are increasing in number, we seculars are not yet as numerous as they are... and also because this is a clear point of contention WITHIN their faith communities. Within the frame of the struggles of homosexuals, I see Christianity's role as a critical aspect of human civilization's path to bringing about proper treatment and accommodation for homosexuals as members of society.
So I ask you, what do you believe is gonna affect this civil rights movement for homosexuals?
*****
Why are you everywhere? And why are you so smart so no one else have to try to explain things? Oh and why are you so good at sarcasm and shuting stupid people up? Also good job. Much appriciated.
***** It's not odd for me. These were kind of rhetorical questions. I just wanted to thank you for doing it. I think it's pretty awesome of you to do that. I too think that people should be called out on their bullshit. Unfortunately i don't have enough knowledge or talking skill to say anything smart. Just wanted to let you know that there is a person (I) that thinks it's good that there is person like you. Thanks again.
I'm a huge proponent of separating yourself from the church for this very reason. People have grown far too dependent on the bull shit that the church feeds them. I constantly had that nonsense stuffed down my throat as a child, but now that I'm out on my own I've learned how misguided Christians have become. I don't necessarily make my faith a major priority in my life, in fact I very rarely use it for anything other than getting me through tough times. I don't go to church, I use common sense, logic, and morals not taken from the church in my debates. I just wish there was more I could do to put my voice out there saying there are those who believe in God who aren't out to make LGBT members' lives hell. We truly believe that they are on the right path and that our God loves and cares about them, but that does not necessarily mean He is THEIR God. I promise some of us actually have brains, LOL.
I'm Roman Catholic and I support LBGT, just throwing that out there if it makes any difference...
It’s sad that it’s 2020 and this vid still applies (for the most part). :(
Sophia Belvedere
Honestly
True
its gotten better though, undertale supports the lgbtq+ community, in new horizons it docent give you a gender and you can change it at any time, the villagers in new horizons refer to you as them/ they're and then you choose your "gender" instead of saying gender it says setting
Crookshanks 713 Yeah hooray for small victories (and not to be rude or anything but I kinda said for the most part for a reason).
Sophia Belvedere
I know what you already said, but I’m gonna add onto that and make it quick. Children’s cartoons are also intergrading lgbtqia+ relationships in there.
3 signs that this video is old,
#1 there is no Q
#2 there is no yellow or even red on this
#3 the date upload
As a homosexual myself I really don't feel demonized or objectified by games at all.
I feel more demonized by the gaming community then anything
Same here.
They must open their minds!
To be honest, if a certain belief has been passed down through generations, it's surely hard to shake off.
Then again, one of my parents and 2 of my brothers are anti-gay. Yet I'm not.
***** Their magical man in the sky told them be anti-gay so apparently they have to be.
do you have steam? (I wanna talk to other homosexual people)
This video proves that games are anti-lgbt. The comments prove that the gaming community is anti-lgbt.
And that's a good thing.
Not all of us, and not all game developers, we'll just have to hope it gets better.
Colin Crompton
Better?
Alex Steel I could come up with a witty response, or respond with a very lengthy paragraph involving decades of evidence, but instead I will simply say: Fuck you, Alex Steel. Fuck you.
Wrong, the games shown in this video as being 'anti lgbt' are old games, probably late 90's to very early 00's. We as a society are just starting to be more accepting of homosexuality, and the games industry over the past 5 years has started to reflect that.
I'll give just one example of a recent game that shows LGBT in a good light: Dragon Age. Both games allow same sex relationships whether your character is male or female. There are a number of companions that engage in or hint at wanting a homosexual relationship. Bioware have done a great job in creating a game world that has very similar cultural beliefs to our world, only homosexuality is a lot more acceptable.
I can't notice that despite talking about Vivian and using he/him/etc. I know thats not intentional on his part. But to he should have used female pronouns to avoid accidental message conflictions. Still amazing, all these years later though. It could be that me being a trans girl, I naturally notice every misgendering. It hurts, so i notice it.
So I WASN'T the only one that noticed that.
Also, hello fellow trans person. I am CONSTANTLY misgendered so I've gotten used to it (mostly). I am a transmasc 😀
@@garagegoblin8788 I support you
Le man that I forgot the name of: **le not child friendly deed with Cloud**
Cloud: I'm a dood
Le man: Oh.
It's okay tho, we have Undertale now
...Excellent.
+Michelle Cudebec cough cough lesbian cough
F4660T MCGEE what? i said lesbian because in the episode they say it's okay in games to be lesbian for some reason
+BowlerHatStudios Well I'd say it's an exception considering they're not exactly meant to be sexy... They also have the two male guards who fall for each other, although they're minor characters. Metatton as well!
+Light NS undyne and alphys are lesbians/bi... so...
Thats why I'm soo happy of a game like Sally face:
"Todd, and his boyfriend Neil! They're always so happy when they're together."
*Sal* *Fisher,* *Chapter* *3:* *"Bologna incident"*
And
"We're not all gay! except for Todd, he's super gay. It's part of who he is and I think that's amazing!"
*Sal, to Travis, also in Chapter 3: "Bologna incident"*
Not to metion quotes like:
"Who said only girls can wear pigtails? I like pigs too!"
*Sal, to Megan, in Chapter 2: "The wretched"*
He has cannonically worn dresses, and pigtals, he gets mistaken by a girl and he just goes with it.
And THAT ladies and gentlemen, it's good a character...
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.
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... Can you tell I'm madly in love with this man, even if he's not real?
and the Sal's bully, I forget his name is in the closet I think, I love that game too I really wish I could get it
Yess. And honestly if Travis doesn't turn out gay (which I'm 99.9999999% sure he is) I'll cry because my life would be a lie
@@savvyhowe1646 Travis! His name is Travis.
@@ashmiller8543 Honestly, same, dude...
I love the game so much!
Why did I just see this now on my recommended??
I know right
I'm bisexual and transgender- AM I A DOUBLE VILLAN? THAT'S SO COOL!
SO AM I, DOES THAT MEAN IF WE TEAMED UP WE'D BE... *_QUADRUPLE VILLANS_*
@@egg_mittens WOAHHH EPIC
NO BUT WE NEED THIS IN VIDEO GAMES
Don’t forget that being a villain also means you’re a menace to society!
Maybe it cancels out like pemdas and you are the good guy
sims 4 recently added a customizable genders and gender representation
Yeah it's great
Really?
I know that made me so happy
Yeah! In the CAS menu you can give your person opposite gender outifts! Its so cool!
Woo!
You should have said "But that's just a theory. A GAY THEORY!"
That's rich
HaHa! Way to lighten up something serious.
Noah Wiley
Or a Queer Theory, as queer Theory is an actual theory used to analyze media :P
I can't believe this video came out 6 years ago.
6 years ago I didn't even know what LGBTQ was.
... wow
Sometimes I wonder
How many people DID Tweet that hashtag at him
I don't care what they are, so long as the characters are written well.
Right!
then why are u here watching this video
+Joseph Colon
Because I like the Game Theorists...? Why are you here? Why does it matter?
+Joseph Colon I think that he's trying to say that it doesn't matter to him if a character is straigth, gay, trans, etc. if the character has a good plot and a good backstory that makes them an interesting character
J. Worthington Foulfellow Sounds like hard work...PASS!
But get, that's just a theory, a gay theory
Stormon Mormon you're just a homophobe, a close-minded homophobe! thanks for not living near me!
Mr. pug1234 I hope you are joking. Because you sound ignorant.
Mr. pug1234 Dude chill hahaha it was a pun, and it was friking fun!!!! I'm gay and I cracked laughing when I read it haha just chill and stop being so PC
Stormon Mormon lollllz 😂😂😂
Stormon Mormon we homophobes are happy to get your hatred..... close minded you say well at least im closed not "opened up " like you
8:14 I can't believe I'm saying this, but, in defence of Trevor, from what I got of his nuts backstory, he was abused and neglected, so, yes, this is true. But these are also mutually exclusive conditions. Albeit ones played off together for comedic effect
Not mutually exclusive, that means you can't have both, what you probably meant to say is "unrelated".
@@MagicXRoads534 Fraid not. I meant mutually exclusive. These are two things not unrelated; rather, by separate definition, they should not be able to occur at the same time.
However, since neglect is technically a form of abuse, in and of itself, they do. Neglect is an absence of attention and dedication, whereas abuse requires these things in order to transpire.
André / Pyroghoul not sure how they can both apply to the same character if they're mutually exclusive, but ok.
@@MagicXRoads534 abuse is an umbrella term for physical, mental, psychological, and emotional abuse and neglect.
Basically, abuse and neglect are two sides of the same coin, ergo mutually exclusive, but the coin itself can land along its circumference rather than either particular side, so it's entirely possible to utilize both faces at once.
Like smacking someone upside the head while yelling at them to get a beer and then [buzz] off.
The last scenario alone is abuse through neglect, if that helps.
-- Which is also why I couldn't say they were unrelated.
Why did he misgender Vivian?
I'd say it's something of a "He a little confused, but he got the spirit."
He really wasn't trying to (from what I could tell).